Can McLaren catch Red Bull within 12 months? | SKY SPORTS F1 PODCAST
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David Croft and F1 podcaster Christian Hewgill join Matt Baker on the Sky Sports F1 Podcast, to look back on an eventful sprint weekend in China. The panel discuss McLaren’s impressive result, a difficult weekend for Ferrari, and the latest instalment in the war of words between Christian Horner and Toto Wolff.
They also reflect on the new sprint format, which will feature once again in Miami.
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Why isnt the question can haas catch mercedes in the next 12 months?
😆 mind you possibly 😂🤣
It’s considered blasphemous on this channel
LOL dude you are so naughty lol
If Haas cheat as hard as Red Bull they can pull it off. FIA just needs to agree.
Haas couldn't catch a cold.
Can we rather ask when we get Crofty vs Rosberg again?
Crofty does not like good and honest answers and hates Rosberg. He is direct just like Max.
Rosberg > Crofty
+1, love Rosberg’s no bullshite approach…rather than trying to make excuses and sugar coat certain drivers struggles 👌
@@JudgeYuri 2 rocks in my garden > Crofty
Gotta love real time fact checking on Croft by Nico😂
answer: no
Thank you
Average Merc fan
Answer is YES they can.
I concur.
@@buildmotosykletist1987But will they?
I am with Crofty on this one, I could never understand the points system, how can it be right for a team to finish 11th in every race and be on equal standing at the end of the season with a team that finishes 20th in every race. Also if points go all the way to 20th then it gives the back marker teams more incentive to fight for every point.
Rosberg owned Crofty and his Merc love-in. The 'setup excuses' jib was immense
The chemistry in the first 30 seconds is already really good!
No. Saved you an hour.
exactly. Without SC Max pulls a 30-40s gap while managing tires and not pushing.
Well not really.
McLaren have their strongest line-up since 2020 and in 12 months it could be arguably better than the Sainz-Norris partnship in 2020.
They have a new structure which (should these upgrades be as powerful as last years, bare in mind they were saying the same things about those upgrades as they are about these upgrades) is working tremendously for them. They also have the new windtunnel and other facilities, which they have made clear only produced around 15%-20% of the car that we've seen in these first 5 rounds.
And then to top it off their resugence has been nothing short of spectacular. Yeah, they might not catch Red Bull. But the truth is, McLaren have gained significantly more ground than Red Bull have in the last 14-16 months. So if they keep that momentum, there's no reason they cant be up there.
@@bill4665I mean a year ago they were backmarkers, sure they progressed more since then.
They havent gotten any closer though since Silverstone 2023. Max was a pit stop ahead of Lando by lap 20.
@@daarom3472 Well sure but we're also comparing Silverstone, a track the current McLaren car loves. To China, a track that doesnt necessarily suit the McLaren all that well. They worked it out this weekend, but that doesnt mean it was necessarily a track the car enjoys.
It's also worth noting that McLaren have got closer infact. Qatar, Texas, Brazil, even Australia this year. McLaren were right there with Ferrari who were right there with Max at that stage.
Its also worth identifying that the car used so far this year, isnt the car that was scheduled to arrive at Bahrain. The car that will race in Miami is the complete base 2024 contender, they had another issue with the car production line this winter. So while they need to sort they're production line issues out, we'll see how close they are in Miami. And then we can judge whether they've taken a step closer.
I wouldn’t call it a production line issue McLaren has become very careful about anything they say or do in terms of development performance etc there not a team to come out guns blazing, I think with McLaren it’s a case of they want to make sure what they have works first and once they understand it can start bringing upgrades where’s as traditionally with most teams they plan the upgrades well before they’ve even raced
Even if they did catch, next year they will be again 12 months behind, Ferrari will be 15 month behind, Aston will be 18 months behind and Merc will be 4 years behind
i think Ron was right about engines 10 years ago, but not now. Things have moved on - the engines to the customer are identical, the available engine mappings are identical. There is a small advantage for the first season of a new development engine, but thats it.
Identical because no customer is threatening the engine supplier for the championship.
As soon as that becomes the case you will see a different scenario
It’s not just the car, the real question is will anyone ever catch up to Max? I think even if Max had the slower car, he would still win.
Exactly. The RB was factually the slower car in 2021 on both average quali pace and race pace and despite losing 1 billion points due to bad luck/ Merc terrorism Max still won the championship.
Not even Hamilton could remotely hang with Max over a season, Max is simply too good and consistent.
Add to that Red Bull, who 100% are the best team this sport has ever seen operationally.
As long as RB produce a competitive car Max will be the world champ at the end of the season, it‘s that simple really.
Put Max in a Ferrari and he wil win.
Please, there's precisely 0 chance Max would win in anything other than the current RB. Senna or Schumacher wouldn't win either if pitted against this RB
Agree
@@Reaz399I've seen people claiming the RB was on average a quicker car than the merc in '21, so how did you reach that conclusion?
lets be brutally honest here... The FiA want more drivers to get more points because it makes them MORE MONEY! Each driver pays €2,100 for every point scored in addition to the €10,00+ for the F1 Drivers License. Your kidding yourself if you think it's for "THE FANS"!
The FIA is always looking to suck the blood from F1. Yet scream about budget caps and keeping costs down, they need to start with their own greed.
Depends. If the total amount of points stays the same but the distribution changes then the income will stay the same.
Great podcast today boys! Cheers from Chicago!
I run a Xbox F1 league and we award points up to 10th place but also to anyone in the bottom 10 1 pt for finishing the race 10th is 2 pts so u would never score less than a bottom 10…in previous seasons we also awarded pts to top 10 but decided the disparity to the bottom 10 was too large. So I definitely think Crofty’s idea could and would work.
Redbull remains in charge this year
And next year aswell probably.
The Honda engine is upto 1/2 second a lap quicker than Mercedes and Renault. Mclaren benefit from having 2 quick drivers but Adrian Newey's aero touch is a tough nut to crack.
The new sprint weekend schedule is much more logical
Awarding points down to 12th place makes sense, but only after an 11th team joins the grid.
It's not just can anyone catch RB. The question is: who comes close to Max. No one really. Yes for some it may be boring while I enjoy history being written. In the 38 years I'm watching, following F1 and go to a grand prix when I can....I have never ever seen anyone as dominant as Max Verstappen. I dare to say that this lad is better then anyone in the history of F1. Name me 1 driver who has been so dominant driving a good or a great car? The only driver I can think of who did it for 1 season was Schumi. Max is doing it over and over again.
Max’ consistency AND the crews consistency makes the difference 💪
Don’t understand people who would try to argue against this by saying “it’s the car.” Do they not realise that putting it on the car effectively negates the the performance for every WDC in the sport’s history? Is the car good? Yes. But Max is even better.
Jim Clark
I think Max is like watching Michael all over again and he might be even more consistent than Michael
@@gribbin7889 these are people who don’t understand Formula 1 very well. And the extremely biased who include these presenters.
Toto inherited his team where Horner built his. I don’t think Horner is too worried about what Toto owns. Horner is more successful in f1 too.
f1 should have 3 car teams but 3rd car driver must be 21 or under offering a genuine route into f1 for f2 drivers and after the acquisition of MotoGP surely we need to use it's point system
What about having the team back up driver and junior driver race the Sprint race. The team gets constructor points, the super licenses get enough points to renew, the junior driver and back up get experience.
The race would probably be very sterile with the drivers being extra cautious. Imagine being the backup RB driver that totals Verstappens RB during the sprint.
"Finishing and getting points" will be VERY costly for Drivers/Teams taken out by another Driver from another Team.
It would almost encourage Drivers to sneakily or purposefully take out other Team's Drivers.
*bang* 👊🏼 - like giving all the kids participation awards in sport…and agreed, drivers taken out by other cars in the race play a bigger role
We saw what that could do to a championship challenge in 2021 when both Mercedes drivers took out Max in two different races
They haven’t been able to catch the top team for 12 years what makes this season different
One swallow might make a summer 😎
The problem with F1 it is supposed to be the last of the late brakers, but really have designed rear wings that have taken away late braking. When last have you seen a driver brake late, lock up a little but still gain time. They brake late, lock up and lose a second, forcing drivers to drive in the limits of the car rather than their abilities to find extra time with their own skills.
Christian Hewgill: 48:40 “I rarely disagree with Crofty”
Thanks for the heads up Christian. Never heard of him before, but that’s all I need to know about him.
Mclaren just need a car to be there behind max to pick up the pieces should RB have a rare issue, because let's face it, they ain't going to build a better car than RB.
Red Bull? Difficult, but not entirely impossible. Verstappen? No chance
I am amazed that Sky and Channel 4 just asked Stroll and his team what was their view of what happened. There was no challenge , just accepted what was said. Clealry Sky and Channel 4 just have presenters programmed to gloss over everything and not ask an awkward question.
Zhou should move to Aston Martin with Fernando or join Williams
Make that 12 days 😊
It doesn’t matter how good the car is. You need a driver who’s capable of going W2W with Max on a consistent basis. And I have doubts that McLaren have that atm.
If Piastri had the same level of understanding and experience as Norris he would be going at it with Ver. Norris doesn’t want to upset his mate
@@MalcolmTann0That's just utter bs
@@MalcolmTann0 he can’t even manage his tyres
@@MalcolmTann0 Lmao, nice b8 m8, i r8 it 8/8
@@tailonchallenger6471 Piastri won’t take over 100 races to win a Grand Prix
@skyf1 how do I get that 2 secs ted shirt!!!!!
Make your own. There’s no trademark on that
Matt Baker with the legendary segue's
Love you guys always great 👏🏻😍
👏
Other day I was writing comment about excat scoring system Crofty was talking about here:
1st - 21
2nd - 19
3rd - 18
so on...
19th - 2
20th - 0
just to award winner bit more and punish worst.... obviously dnf eqaul no points.
A) Now days some fights in back are just awsome, there are often 3 or even 4 way battles, but they just dont seem meaningfull...
B) Also by today's count, I think difference beatween 1st and 2nd is too much!? Likes of Max and Lewis just distance themself and in half a season you allready know who is winner because they have double the points from second, it also have effect on mindset of others on grid, and fans even more... For example this way Alonso who clearly doesnt have best car on grid could have chance to be champion based on his skill and performance being constantly 3rd or what ever, all it need Max one bad weekend to turn things around, and it would award better drivers rather than better car.
C) Contructors and teams play more meaningfull role in championship by being consistant and how they handle race after race not just by having quickest car and that's it here you go.
Novel idea for sprint: use it for its original purpose - to make racing better. No drs, no Tyre blankets, reverse grid based on driver standing, and all the other things pundits keep talking about. Use it as a trial opportunity to
try, discover, test, evolve the state of the sport and do your talking on track. At the very least we’ll see what doesn’t work. But then what would journalists speak on? I trust they’ll work hard and investigate, perhaps journalism improves for the better and there will be less podcasters who have never seen a race pre 2018.
Ferrari are kept in as a team, can you guys see that arrangement continue into the next decade?
I would like to have David's t-shirt, "2secs Ted" is so cool!
Love the shirt, Crofty! Where can I get one?!
if you want more fans to "write" to Matt (as asked for in Crofty`s previous podcast) PLEASE post the full address on the screen so the video can be paused long enuff to get pen and paper to write it down, even the "Closed Caption" i use does not print the correct spellings to some words due to the "accent" of some spoken words.
CHRISTIAN!!! 😁
My opinion, Ferrari will be comfortably second, McLaren may be getting upgrades in Miami but Ferrari are also getting a big package in imola, and from the sound of both drivers and Fred they are genuinely expecting to put it to redbull on certain tracks
Audi sells a lot of cars in China.
Never thought about that.
@@StreetDreamzTT The VW Group of vehicles is a best selling brand there, second only to China's own BYD Auto Co. Zhou might be able to leverage that to retain his seat.
Small suggestion. If you want post cards put up the address in the description or on your website. Just saying!!😀
I haven't heard Max say thank you Christian over the radio once this season. That's very telling. Whenever Christian congratulated him Max gave a "great one for the team" generic answer. Make of it what you will
norris can make his own way through to the front
he has good skills and clear thinker
he does not need all these people to become a better driver.
Lando was clearly faster than Daniel in Monza 21 and was catching him pretty quickly before the team asked him to hold station.
Regards points down to 12th I don’t agree with it (for driver points). However I am ok with them changing constructors championship points down to 20th (but you have to be classified as a finisher to get them). With drivers though I don’t think anyone really cares who finished 7th or 14th in the championship at the end of the season.
Top 6 drivers get points Top 15 constructors get points
Re new sprint format:
As a fan I loved it. My one quibble is during race quali can the commentators try to play no-spoilers to protect fans that missed the sprint race? This is 2024, if you want to avoid spoilers there are plenty of ways to do it, but please don't handcuff the commentators and deprive of us of real analysis. That just seems silly to tell them "don't talk about the sprint results" until quali is done.
Crofty is disingenuous in saying F1 has never been like WWE in resorting to machinations of the rules…remember Ecclestone?
The answer is NO.
2:27 Daniel Riccardo
1:25; 2:22; 3:20; 4:18; 5:16 and the further down you finish, 2pts lower than the finisher above.
Sure they can... unlikely but they could... the qeustion is whether they should focus 2026 to get out in front... obviously need the new regulations to be finalised but would be important.
Points for everyone is going to make better battles in the mid-field. Imagine the competitivness throughout the grid front the driver on pole, to the driver who crashed in quali.
I hope they can!!! Bruce would be so proud!!
Well, it didn't took them too long to do it
A bit unrelated question to the recent race..
If teams can order their drivers to swap positions on track, why stop there? Why not swap their grid positions before the race starts if it benefit their preferred driver??
Because there’s two championships in F1
Well, because in theory a driver could also listen to a rival team asking them to move over during the race. Who overtakes who is not regulated in the rulebook. Starting positions are.
Ferrari did that one in Texas - gave one a part change on purpose to get a grid penalty. so the preferred driver started on the grippy side
No
Max said he's going to see out his contract till 2028 a few times now... huh???
He 100% did, FACTS!
Thank god it’s not Ted Kravitz on this one ! My god replace him with Nicco or bearnie the guy is cooked and ads nothing to race weekend
No. Next question please ….
Can we do a 'Can Merc stop being a tractor before 2026' 😆
Probably not but I wouldn’t laugh at them. Mighty Mercedes will be back. I would never laugh at teams like Ferrari and Mercedes. They’re huge
The Lewis Hamilton fanclub on screen, great to see you guys!
Sky needs more Rosberg to balance Crofty out!
Never know, considering Stella and Norris are usually quite pessimistic, i think by design. The fact theyre suggesting challenging Red Bull is extremely encouraging
Actually, about f1 drivers parking… there’s compilations of Charles leclerc parking in the wrong spot or positioning around Monaco lol
Normally if RedBull has no internal issues? no way.
But this year anything seems possible.
The title should read - 'Can Mclaren catch Adrian Newey within 12 months?' 😂
AmI tripping or did a thought bubble with a thumbs up appear when the guest said he went karting?
2:20 Can someone explain Ferrari’s latest signing?
Catching up is not the issue, you have to PASS Red Bull in order to win. But that is the paper reality, in real life everything can happen. It Verstappen would have punctured his tire in the last few laps, Norris could have won the race. I remember that one race where both Mercedes cars lost their tires in the last lap and Max was able to catch Bottas and Lewis nearly was able to make it to the finish line on basically three wheels just before Verstappen could take the win. Maybe they have more mechanical issue down the road. Only if you close when those things happen, you can take advantage of those moments.
I love that Ferrari let their drivers fight, but it is not without risk as they should know as Leclerc/Vettel did collide in Brazil 2019 (I believe), a year earlier we had the crash of Verstappen/Ricciardo and Verstappen's first win in Barcelona 2016 was not possible if Lewis and Rosberg did take each other out of the race.
Lastly postcards and Internet don't mix. Oh and Matt, if you are lonely and want company, there are services named after a Ford car model that can arrange stuff ;-)
To simplify my earlier message, Scott has it right, live by the sword, die by the sword!
I'm more interested in 2026. If Mercedes produces a strong engine (again), and McLaren applies all they have learned about ground effect, they could be right up there. Lots of 'ifs', though.
We promise we'll send you a postcard for every future episode where you don't mention football.😂 It's bad enough we have to pay for multiple sports channels we don't watch - we don't need sportsball in our F1 content too. Keep F1 about F1 ❤
I think that you underestimate how important a good envirement is to Max. I will be very surprised if he is not moving to Merc. I loved Red Bull in their past years, but now something is broken and I think I can see that in Max. If he doesn't like it anymore, he doesn't stay with Red Bull. Despite a winning car. That's how Max is....
He needs to make the move to hass the only seat open
Awarding points to all finishers is going to incentivise lower teams to take less risks when overtaking. They will prioritise finishing. And we'd see teams fixing their damaged cars and sending them out 40 laps down, just to make the flag.
So by Crofty’s logic, Stroll and Magnussen get points in the race in China but Tsunoda and Ricciardo don’t, even though they got wiped out of the race by the aforementioned drivers…
'21 the rules were supposed to come in, because of the delay, F1 decided to change the regs to remove Merc's advantage, unless they do something like that to Red Bull next season, which would be harsh at is punishes success, Red Bull and lets face it Max Verstappen will win both championships again for the 4th successive season
It definitely shouldn't be point all the way down the grid then it just becomes a participation reward.....
Down to 12th is fine though
This Christian guy is a great personality. Liked him.
No, next question please , and be realistic.
3:20. Errrmmm 🙄
points down to last? so teams won't retire their cars, run around possibly minutes off the pace, engines, transmissions blowing up and causing safety cars? don't think so!
Just make the sprint a constructor only championship and make it reverse grid
Points to all is stupid idea. Stroll will get a point even after taking out Riccardo and Riccardo gets none. Thats completely unfair. Drivers/Teams might play with this.
If points are awarded all the way to 20th place so long as a driver gets to the checkered flag, you'd also want to set a minimum speed or pace to stay in the race... you don't want stricken cars trundling around the circuit just to finish... especially if they create a danger.
But that happens every race weekend anyway.
No one will know what Lance was doing until/if Lance owns up to it, but IMO I think what he was actually doing was trying to watch the cars farther up the field to try and get a jump start on Ricciardo. He was trying to see if the cars who made it around the turn were going racing again so he could get the jump on the cars ahead. I don't understand why he won't own up to the mistake though. He's a complete waste of a seat and needs to be out of the sport but Daddies money keeps him around.
I'm convinced he doesn't even want to be there himself for quite some time, but he is forced by is dad to do this :P
@@Tjescoomore and more I'm thinking this.
Well...he was looking right when he should have been concentrating on the car in-front...as they said...it's grass-roots racing 101...on safety car restart you only focus on the car in front of you...Lance was not..but too emberrased to admit he made a rookie mistake....again 😅😅
If they could they would already be ahead. Mercedes making Mclaren development look good that's all
2:29 6:42 25:49 30:40 38:33 46:23
15:46
Misc: 29:49 30:52 33:20
Never seen pundit number two before. He spoke very well, as did Crofty.
My biggest gripe about F1 is not allocating points to all finishing drivers. It’s so much more compelling, especially in a period where the midfield is so so close and points are a matter of one of the top teams having a DNF and opening up 10th place. Other series do it and it works, it would work in F1 as well.
With a 364 day, 22 hour head start? Maybe
Chris H? Australia? That's Thor!
I like Crofty's shirt.
Great chat. Spot on regarding Toto goading the little fella, he is so easily wound up.
Nobody seems to address the fact that this was a sprint weekend with little time to properly setup the car. At least Ferrari seemed to suffer from this to the benefit of McLaren.
Why did Christian and Matt have to hear Croftys opinion on the points system to realize that awarding points for all finishers makes better sense. Just look at that titanic battle between Magnussen and Sargeant last weekend. All for what.....zero points. Madness