I recently bought an 06 Jetta 2.5 as a fixer-upper--my first car in 7 years. The previous owner had a 3 page list of problems from a dealer comprehensive inspection and one problem was the horn not working and an airbag light. I used your videos to self-diagnose this as a bad clock spring. After 2 tries, I found and installed the right one (a parts chart was off by one letter on the first try). In the process of removing the module on the bottom side of the steering column and the other one immediately below the clock spring I got pretty vicious with it using a screwdriver trying to pry it loose--grrr… darn hard to reach clips! (Never get too overenthusiastic kids!) After the first reassembly, only the center instrument panel worked (odometer, doors open, etc.) The car wouldn't turn over or even click. I went a bought and installed a new battery just in case). Went back in to the column to see if I had left something unplugged or pinched a wire, and now after second reassembly, none of the instrument panel works, and the car doesn't turn over or click. I seem to be doing more damage than good. Could I have done something to either of those two module that would prevent the car from now even showing when the door is open? (The battery is giving juice--the alarm system indicator is lit on the drivers side door and the interior lights are working). This is turning into an albatross around my neck and a dark cloud over my head. Any advise anyone?
Great video. My clock spring was creaking every time I turned three wheel. The tech replaced it yesterday; today, my horn is randomly beeping. Back to the dealership tomorrow! No service lights or anything.
the low sound creaking when turning the steering wheel is driving me nuts, im suspecting its the clockspring even though the horn works, mine is a non msfw, did your creaking go after replacing the part?
Thanks for this video Charles! I'm thinking this is what might be going on with my wife's 2013.5 Beetle Turbo. I got in her car the other day and when I started it the steering wheel light, ABS light, traction control light, airbag light, and tire sensor light all came on. The car gave me two faults on the vehicle status display - "Error: Airbag" and "Fault: ABS/Stability Control (ESC)". The horn and all steering wheel buttons work though, and aside from all the annoying lights everything seems to run and work fine. I'm a novice at repairing my own vehicles so I am not sure I will do this repair myself. Great video man - very informative!
I have a 2016 Passat (only 14k miles on it) and have the same problem You would think that after all of these failures the company would address the problem.
Thanks for the video, looks pretty clear that must be the faulty part on my VW Tiguan. From a driver point of view: airbag light on, buttons not working on the wheel, front-assist disabled. Technically, I plugged a cheap OBD dongle and made some diagnostics. At first I thought it was a CAN module that was faulty but all errors are matching the symptoms you describe, you said "Igniter" and it rang a bell. Will bring it to a dealer, I don't feel like playing with an airbag. Hope it helps someone with similar issues. Raw code: 030231 ECU: 19. CAN Gateway Status: Test failed, Confirmed Status bits: 1 Priority: 2. Raw code: 000434 ECU: 13. Active cruise control Status: Test failed, Confirmed Raw code: 90001B ECU: 15. SRS Status: Test failed, Confirmed, Warning indicator requested Volkswagen: B10001B: Driver airbag igniter
Simple but great info, although (me) being a DIYer, why is it important to know if the vehicle is a B6 passat or what ever model vehicle? I am lost when the import communities is trying to refer to that specific model "(B6)"
Howdy Charles. Whilst a certain amount of caution is advised when doing any work on cars, the only precaution you need to take with airbags is to keep the key OUT of the ignition (actually me and my colleagues have changed seats with airbags with the engine running many many times with no issue, but hey ho! I wouldn't encourage that). Neither do you need to worry about using an ohmmeter. In fact, you should. All the ignitors should read 2.3 +/-0.3 ohm - useful to know if you're trying to trace a fault without a scan tool. Unless you're working on an old car with a really REALLY early SRS system, in which case, disconnect the battery!! Some dumbass manufacturers started fitting SRS that was always live even when the car was off and locked!!! Ford, GM, I'm talking to you!!
Thanks again, My polo 2020 model was the horn and controls was not working at all. I then switched my car off . Removed all the terminals on the battery. Then put them back in place “terminals “ Try horn the car while it is off , “engine not running “ It horned. Put the car on . The controls started working.. It has been 2momths now , horn and controls not working. I went to Vw , they told me stories.. Now everything is in order
Thank you for responding. They initially said it may be a cluster problem, but when it was hooked up yo the scan they said it was my lock cylinder. I got that replaced and there's still a problem
Thanks for the vid. I guess i'll be making a video on this myself. I'm broke right now so I was really hoping it would be something that could be easy to fixed without having to buy a new one. Them things are expensive. I feel bad for the people who can't do this kind of work themselves, having to buy the clock spring that cost so much then they have to pay a mechanic. My horn went out on my 2007 toyota tundra and inspection is due, so its not like I can just drive around without a horn, there's no way the inspection will past without a horn.
I had my steering wheel replaced due to leaking fluid, there were two places that was worn. Can the steering wheel rack and pin exchange affect the clock spring that the horn stops working? Thank you for shedding light to a subject, for someone like me who does not understand the workings of a car.
3:55 Does the clock spring tell the car what the steering angle is? How do you make sure the clock spring is installed perfectly centered to the steering wheel being straight? Is it important for the clock spring to be installed perfectly centred? Or will it calibrate itself if it's not perfectly centred?
Generally, the steering angle sensor is separate to the clockspring and on the "car side" so, in short NO. A new clockspring will come fixed in it's centre position. The column should be centre before fitment. Yes, for sure NO, defo not
Hope you don't mind me taking you to ask over a few of the things you've said here: 2:40 - Might sound dumb but you've failed to mention that on clock springs, the ribbon is almost always soldered directly onto the metallic outer body of the ring. This is how it keeps the contact up. Like any moving part, this does stress over time and solder, as we know, goes brittle with age. One of the most common failures is that the ribbon simply comes away from it's metal contact due to excessive movement. Furthermore, a clock spring that has been wrongly installed (or more to the point, not centred) will break prematurely. 3:08 - You put a bit of emphasis on the horn, but it's important to note that MANY Volkswagen's (especially the older ones
Thanks for the insight. I will say that at the 6:20 I have seen that exact thing happen. It happened to a tech next to me. But again, thanks for the insight. I appreciate it.
I should really get a scanner, changed the rack thinking it was bad, checked the main fuse(thing was good didnt mess w/ it) guess im changing a clockspring tomorrow
My traction light and tire pressure light is on and i am getting 00778, p1698, and b11689 code. Do i have to change the steering angle sensor? Please help me out.
Hello i have a 2017 Volkswagen Passat and of course I scanned it and yes it is the clock spring. Please can you please let me know how the steering come off? Where is the rear bolts or screws that hole the air bag on. Also last do this clock spring have to be programmed
Thanks for your video, I guess the only concern I have and we'll, the importance of it having to do with safty is. If it controls airbags then why isn't this under a recall. There are several of these that need replaced in the passat alone and the manufacturer is doing what to fix the issue. I understand it's man made ... but manufacturers have recalls on things that are not that big of deal and people could really care less if it gets replaced. This part not so much.
Hi from Greece. I have this problem with my touran and my mechanic says that an aftermarket part does not work correctly and i have to get original part which is pretty expensive. Any ideas? Is it correct that aftermarket part has issues? Nice video by the way
Just got a letter telling me the warranty on this for my Mk7 Golf has been extended. I guess a number of VW from 2010 to 2022 have had it fail, and VW will replace it when it happens. So I guess I got it covered should it ever go bad for now. But this is now good stuff to know.
At first I thought you literally meant a spring for a clock - like, "they still use springs in clocks? :) Here we call them "slip ring" or airbag slip ring (or they were when I was last working on them). If I recall, I think I had only replaced one or two of them back in the day. They weren't something that failed too often, but they were more basic back then and were only used for the airbag connections.
Don’t think I had a power steering fault, but everything worked fine thereafter. Just have to reset the calibration by turn steering wheel fully both directions and then turn ignition key off and then back on.
Hey man. great video. I changed my steering wheel and my power steering went out. would the clock spring be related to this in a mkv jetta? since it's electric?
steering horn don’t work and remote doesn’t beep & Alarm don’t work. Could it be the clock spring? 2015 vw tdi sel 55k No dash lights 03591 signal horn activation sporadic 011 open circuit What’s that?
Our clock spring went out. Waiting on part from back order. Car(2105 VW Passat) all of sudden car won’t start randomly. Can the clock spring cause this? I think it’s the solenoid on the starter getting stuck. Thank for your input.
I replaced my clock spring on my passat b5.5 (3bg) and got steering angle sensor, went away to a workshop and got the DTCs out and the sensor was dead in the new one and also got "module not coded", switched back to the old one and still have the same issues :(
Mine just went bad 75k on a ‘17 golf. The 15 golfs had a recall on this but my vin doesn’t register as eligible for the recall. I’m gonna talk to my VW service department about that.
My 2013 Passat TDi steering wheel is making crinkly sounds when turned past a full rotation, and the air bag light just came on. Willing to bet it is this
I changed my audi a4 2008 b8 clock spring because of air bag but after changing it, esp and coil light is on. Do I need to scan the system again and how to do calibration?
hi I'd like to know how to adapt Audi tt steering Angle sensor. I've put a new clock spring and now my traction control light is on. so how do I reset it?
Is the clock spring another word for steering wheel angle sensor I have steering light on abs light on traction control light on and steering wheel light on thanks in advance and when I turn the steering wheel my steering angle sensor it stays at zero. Its the clock spring take away abs light away from that I think that's a different issue
Is it common for electronic steering to fail with airbag light on. It goes away if I restart a few times or clear the 00003 code? 2016 FWD Tiguan (USA)
Hey, my steering wheel buttons and horn don’t work, I’ll go into a bit off detail as to what happened before, so we took everything out from a 2019 van and put it into a 2005 shell, so everything like electricals, struts, engine, dash, roof lining, flooring, ect… after we got everything connected to turned over the van and it ran, it also drives, everything in it seems to work fine except for the steering wheel as I stated earlier, would it be the clock spring?
Reminds me of one customer who tried this and messed up. Every time he turned right his horn would go off. Apparently nearly got a ticket for honking at a cop!
I have a 2009 vw transporter (uk) its making a real bad rumbling/grinding noise when steering. It seems to be coming from just below the steering wheel. I only have to turn the wheel a few degrees and it rumbles... Ive changed all the top mounts. Could it be the clock spring? It really is coming from the steering column rather than thr rack or top mounts
I have a low pitched "cracking" in my steering column but I dont have an airbag light i can use my horn and my wheel controls work. Do you still think its a clock spring?
I tried to put my wheel back on and this just popped off and everything came out . I can’t get it back perfect my wheel clicks while turning .. could I just remove this and have no horn and air bag? 95 golf . Or will this mess up my wheel turning while driving ?
Hi humble mechanic, thanks for the video. My clock spring failed in a 2014 RS5. I was wondering if you know if the clock spring in the RS5 is the same as the VW ones that failed. I heard it’s unusual that the RS5 clock spring failed. Also, are there preventative measures to have a clock spring last for as long as possible. Thank you so much once again.
Epc light turn on clean the throttle and it use have P2101 P2212erase codes then took it for a ride it seem find but it turn on again with a P2212 and started rev by itself when being stop and hard to accelerate
This is so frustrating for me because I took it to dealer and he basically told me there's no way it could be my clock spring because it doesn't control the ARS on the airbag , and I tried to explain to him that there are variations in clock springs and flat out said no and that he had been working on vw's for ten years and that I didn't need to advise him on vw's and there's no way a bad clock spring would make an airbag and ARS light and ABS light come on, but my thinking is that since ARS is tied to ABS system it makes sense that both lights would come on along with airbag.....am I right or am I just deeply confused
I've been reading on all the forms about and issue that from what I can gather is this, BUT, I don't have any issues with my horn or anything else. it's just a clicking sound coming from the steering column. it sounds like a solenoid clicking on and off rapidly. it seams to not do it as much when the stereo is muted. this is on a 2010 gti. think this could be related to this? thanks!
I thought so too, that's why I wanted to get a better opinion. They are giving me the clock spring for $75, no labor (this is the Volkswagen dealership). Do you recommend I just get the part or just go elsewhere? I got the lock cylinder replaced through them and I'm still having the immobilizer problem. I kinda want them I finish what they started so this won't be a complete waste of money 😕
Thanks for this video, Charles. I have a 2019 Golf. Cruise control didn’t work. They replaced the buttons. Didn’t help. The clock spring. Didn’t help (+ my steering wheel was put back on without proper alignment). Then they replaced the harness, which fixed the problem. But now I hear a rubbing or feel some friction when I turn the steering wheel. Not a ton. But it’s there. Is that normal? Could something be misaligned or crimped or something? It’s been about two months now. Thanks, Charles. I’m a new subscriber and follow the dudes at DAP too. 👊🏼.
My steering controls and horn are not working after getting the vehicle through auction sales, no airbag sign on dash board, scan tool shows U108E. The clock spring installed was a 2019 manufactured. My vehicle is a 2104 VW Passat 1.8L turbo, is there any way you can help?
I had the clockspring replaced in my 2013 VW Passat TDI in Sept 2014, thankfully it was under warranty. Today (10 months and 20,000 miles later) the clockspring went out again. The car is out of warranty. Do you know if this something I'm going to have to replace very year? Thanks for the video!
HumbleMechanic Thanks for getting back to me. Yes, it's the same symptoms, clicking in steering wheel when turning, controls on the steering wheel don't work, horn doesn't work, and I have an airbag error. I have an appointment with my local VW dealer tomorrow.
HumbleMechanic My dealer confirmed it's the clock spring again. They said if I buy the part, they will throw in the labor for free. A woman at the service counter implied I'm to blame for these clock spring failures because I turn the steering wheel too far. I'm thinking 2nd clock spring failure was due to the VW mechanic putting it in wrong? IDK.
@@butterme9171 Did you end up having any further issues with the clock spring after fixing it for the second time? I've heard a lot of people complaining about multiple fixes. Just bought a 2012 Tiguan on Carvana and the clock spring has obviously failed. I'm trying to decide if it's worth fixing or if I should just return the vehicle while I still can. Thanks!
2004 bmw 330 xi suddenly horn stopped working radio on off when visor lights pulled down air bag off. BMW said it Clock spring and ignition switch is that the likely problem One or both?. also a new airbag got installed about 1 year ago on the steering wheel .
2013 Passat. I knew my clock spring was on its way when I started hearing binding paper/plastic ticking when I turn the wheel. Eventually I made a turn one day and I heard a snap and bam. Airbag light, no hornet etc..
Hey Humble, I have a 2014 Tiguan where the we recently got a Red solid steering wheel indicator come on and stay on with the loss of Power steering. We have had 3 mechanics throw a scanner / diagnostic reader on the car and wasn't getting any reading to point them in the right direction. (1) Have you seen this happen to many other Tiguan's for that year and (2) do you know what would cause this so we can try and fix the issue? Appreciate any and all feedback, hope you have a great day Bud and stay Humble!
Have to say i'm a little annoyed that you ask for comments as though you are interested in helping DIYers but most of your responses are short and usually to people who say they love your videos. I mean if you're not being sponsored then I can understand a little more. But there are some genuine and good questions on here that you have not responded to. Very helpful video apart from that. Thx.
@@HumbleMechanic I get that. But if you're sponsored I guess you need to think about how to handle that or perhaps not ask for people to respond. Not anti your site at all but there's a number of ppl that asked questions yrs ago... like 4yrs for one person at least.
The video is like my 3rd video I ever did. I do my best to answer all comments, questions, emails,DMs, texts phone calls and so on. It has nothing to do with sponsored or not. Not even sure what that has to do with it. It’s purely a matter of time. I do my best man. It’s that simple. If that’s not good enough for you, I’m sorry.
@@HumbleMechanic being sponsored as in receiving $ for your time. Sorry mate. There are a host of you tubers providing info on stuff like this but few seem to want to respond to questions.
Could a failed clock spring cause a short on the airbag control module? I turned my steering wheel on my 2011 VW Tiguan SEL and it clicked while turning and then the airbag light came on. The dealer said the control module failed from a short and I feel like an airbag control module of all things doesn't just short for no reason. But then again, I'm no mechanic. Thanks in advance!
hi . tahnks for video man. but i have still same problem after replaced part clock spring . b1801 b1811 error code toyota highlander how can diagnostic ? thanks
I have a dodge journey 2009 SXT. Air bag light turn on as soon as I start driving and stays on. I removed Clockspring and tried to test it and it looks good. Please advise me.the fix.
First, thanks for the video it's good info. Second, on my B5 I get a code 00588, airbag igniter: driver side (N95). Sporadic- Value of resistance too great. I replaced the airbag yesterday and light still on, so I'm thinking the clock spring is my culprit?
+HumbleMechanic yes I have like 3-4 times and it goes off but a second later it pops back on. I'm going to try right now turning the wheel and see if it will clear. But that code I gave you points out to a clock spring?
Very much could. What scanner tool are you using to clear faults? With VCDS you can check the info of the airbag module and see when the n95 reading drops out.
+HumbleMechanic a cheap Vag Max scan for VW/Audi. I doubt I would see any drops in the n95 readings but will see if it will delete it. Again, I appreciate the quick responses thank you and I will be checking out Deutsche's auto parts!
If you can go into address word 15 and go into read measure value blocks, do that. I forgot what block it is, but it's very low like 1,2,3 VCDS labels the blocks. You'll want to find n95. Monitor that while turning the wheel. It may go from correct to too large. If it does that while turning the wheel it's almost certain. It's the clock spring.
hey í have an 04 passat glx and í changed all the airbags and the module but not the Clock spring and when í was done the car honked like never before but í disconnected it is so could it be the Clock spring ?
The airbag sign went off on my VW Tiguan, buttons don’t work and horn not working. Went to get it fixed at the mechanics. Now my cruise control not working, windshield wipers not working and hydronic power steering issue. What could that be?
would the clock spring cause my steering wheel to completely lock up? not the steering wheel lock..but the steering wheel is actually not movable.(can't turn it) or is that the whole steering column assembly that's bad? any idea?
Thanks for the great video. I have a 2007 Eos with a persistent yet intermittent airbag light. 01217 - Side Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N199) 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON The TSB regarding the wiring under the seat was already resolved by previous owner. I checked the wiring and it looks good. I checked the measurement value blocks Group [21] and the driver side igniter resistance is higher, 3.2, than the others (3.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.6). I have also checked, disconnected and cleaned the contacts below the seat. What do you think? Is it the clock spring?
n199 is the side airbag igniter. the one in the drivers seat. Check the connection under the carpet. Seen a few fail there. Also seen a few airbags need replacement
I have a Passat TD 2013-My- it is still under warranty. I had to have a new steering lock installed as the car would not turn off - we found a way to jiggle with it and turn it off. Upon driving home after they had fixed that I found that the horn was not working ( lucky there was no accident)-Nor any of the steering wheel controls. Took it back and was told that on of the plugs was not put in all the way and that they taped so that through vibration it would not come out again. The said this is what they were doing with the Jetta that were coming in with a similar problem. Ok they taped it and it works BUT I do not feel it should have to be taped- but should be securely clip in as in the original condition. As I said it is under warranty. In your opinion do you think that the clock spring should be replaced? Is it negligence on the techs part not to have seen that/or check for full functioning of vehicle when they were fixing the steering lock problem? Thanks for any info before I call up service manager to complain. (I see below that there is a recall coming up- but not sure for what exactly)
I wouldn't be cool with it being taped. I have replaced a good amount of locks and never had to tape a connector. It's hard to say what happened with out seeing the car.
+Robert Maddison - "In their words--"33030 found that one of the plugs did not to clip in all the way. Clipped in the plug Everything working now" I inquired about exactly what was the problem and my advisor told me that had clipped in plug and secured it with electrical tape to make sure it stayed connected....
@humblemechanich Hi. Im having some issue with a skoda yeti 2011. Its havs the airbag light on and the obd2 scan shows error code b10001b. The horn works fine. Any idea of what causes it. Bought online a spring coil and with that one the airbag went of but horn not working. So im a bit lost.
If anyone still has this problem and VW hasn't done anything to fix it...I just talked to my dealer and they said there is a new extended manufacturers warranty on the clock spring and my car was included. When I first went in for the recall back in march I was told my airbag light was not on, therefore, they wont fix it and will just put the protective cover on it(my horn and controls were not working either). But now with the new warranty I will see how that goes in December! UPDATE: Air bag light needs to be on along with broken controls. Even if the dealer tells you otherwise like they did to me, in the end you will have to pay if one of those is not occurring. The dealer even admitted some slip through the cracks and get covered even without the airbag light on, but nope not with me. So thank you VW for wasting my time once again and telling me the wrong information.
Great info video on the clock Spring. I have a 03 Passat GLX 4-motion - any chance you know this very basic clock Spring requires some dealer code reset or does an OBD2 tool justify if needed? Don’t want to replace and have more codes pop up. Let me know if you can. Thanks 🙏
Dude I need some help, I've got an issue either steering light showing up, diagnose test shows it's the steering angle sensor error no communication, I have changed it already but it failed to reset, also that triggers the rear abs sensor not responding, I've spent so much already and it's still not fixed. Need help please
I recently bought an 06 Jetta 2.5 as a fixer-upper--my first car in 7 years. The previous owner had a 3 page list of problems from a dealer comprehensive inspection and one problem was the horn not working and an airbag light. I used your videos to self-diagnose this as a bad clock spring. After 2 tries, I found and installed the right one (a parts chart was off by one letter on the first try). In the process of removing the module on the bottom side of the steering column and the other one immediately below the clock spring I got pretty vicious with it using a screwdriver trying to pry it loose--grrr… darn hard to reach clips! (Never get too overenthusiastic kids!) After the first reassembly, only the center instrument panel worked (odometer, doors open, etc.) The car wouldn't turn over or even click. I went a bought and installed a new battery just in case). Went back in to the column to see if I had left something unplugged or pinched a wire, and now after second reassembly, none of the instrument panel works, and the car doesn't turn over or click. I seem to be doing more damage than good. Could I have done something to either of those two module that would prevent the car from now even showing when the door is open? (The battery is giving juice--the alarm system indicator is lit on the drivers side door and the interior lights are working). This is turning into an albatross around my neck and a dark cloud over my head. Any advise anyone?
Never knew what a clock spring was until I watched this video lol. Great info man.
Great video. My clock spring was creaking every time I turned three wheel. The tech replaced it yesterday; today, my horn is randomly beeping. Back to the dealership tomorrow! No service lights or anything.
the low sound creaking when turning the steering wheel is driving me nuts, im suspecting its the clockspring even though the horn works, mine is a non msfw, did your creaking go after replacing the part?
Thanks for this video Charles! I'm thinking this is what might be going on with my wife's 2013.5 Beetle Turbo. I got in her car the other day and when I started it the steering wheel light, ABS light, traction control light, airbag light, and tire sensor light all came on. The car gave me two faults on the vehicle status display - "Error: Airbag" and "Fault: ABS/Stability Control (ESC)". The horn and all steering wheel buttons work though, and aside from all the annoying lights everything seems to run and work fine. I'm a novice at repairing my own vehicles so I am not sure I will do this repair myself. Great video man - very informative!
Experienced all 3 of those things randomly last night & this finally explains it all.. Thanks for sharing!
One of best informative video on you tube regarding VW group clock spring
Thanks man, had all three issues. Hitting the picknpull tomorrow for a clock spring
I have a 2016 Passat (only 14k miles on it) and have the same problem You would think that after all of these failures the company would address the problem.
This is how dealership gets money
They have a recall on it.
Stealers this way make money brotha
Just watched this, how timely with a clock spring recall/service program coming soon.
Thanks for the info Charles.
+Chuck Ashton Thanks :) I am excited about this recall. It will be good for customers and us techs.
Thanks for the video, looks pretty clear that must be the faulty part on my VW Tiguan. From a driver point of view: airbag light on, buttons not working on the wheel, front-assist disabled. Technically, I plugged a cheap OBD dongle and made some diagnostics. At first I thought it was a CAN module that was faulty but all errors are matching the symptoms you describe, you said "Igniter" and it rang a bell. Will bring it to a dealer, I don't feel like playing with an airbag. Hope it helps someone with similar issues.
Raw code: 030231
ECU: 19. CAN Gateway Status: Test failed, Confirmed Status bits: 1 Priority: 2.
Raw code: 000434
ECU: 13. Active cruise control Status: Test failed, Confirmed
Raw code: 90001B
ECU: 15. SRS Status: Test failed, Confirmed, Warning indicator requested Volkswagen: B10001B: Driver airbag igniter
Simple but great info, although (me) being a DIYer, why is it important to know if the vehicle is a B6 passat or what ever model vehicle? I am lost when the import communities is trying to refer to that specific model "(B6)"
Always saving the day man, love the videos!!
2014 VW Jetta TDI with 22k miles on it, horn quit working and airbag light comes on sometimes. Thank you for this video.
Howdy Charles. Whilst a certain amount of caution is advised when doing any work on cars, the only precaution you need to take with airbags is to keep the key OUT of the ignition (actually me and my colleagues have changed seats with airbags with the engine running many many times with no issue, but hey ho! I wouldn't encourage that).
Neither do you need to worry about using an ohmmeter. In fact, you should. All the ignitors should read 2.3 +/-0.3 ohm - useful to know if you're trying to trace a fault without a scan tool.
Unless you're working on an old car with a really REALLY early SRS system, in which case, disconnect the battery!! Some dumbass manufacturers started fitting SRS that was always live even when the car was off and locked!!! Ford, GM, I'm talking to you!!
Thanks again,
My polo 2020 model was the horn and controls was not working at all.
I then switched my car off . Removed all the terminals on the battery.
Then put them back in place “terminals “
Try horn the car while it is off , “engine not running “
It horned. Put the car on . The controls started working..
It has been 2momths now , horn and controls not working.
I went to Vw , they told me stories..
Now everything is in order
Thank you for responding. They initially said it may be a cluster problem, but when it was hooked up yo the scan they said it was my lock cylinder. I got that replaced and there's still a problem
I have seen lock cylinders cause that. But it sounds like they are just trying to throw parts on your car. :(
Thanks for the vid. I guess i'll be making a video on this myself. I'm broke right now so I was really hoping it would be something that could be easy to fixed without having to buy a new one. Them things are expensive. I feel bad for the people who can't do this kind of work themselves, having to buy the clock spring that cost so much then they have to pay a mechanic. My horn went out on my 2007 toyota tundra and inspection is due, so its not like I can just drive around without a horn, there's no way the inspection will past without a horn.
I had my steering wheel replaced due to leaking fluid, there were two places that was worn. Can the steering wheel rack and pin exchange affect the clock spring that the horn stops working?
Thank you for shedding light to a subject, for someone like me who does not understand the workings of a car.
Would a faulty clock spring cause your music volume to increase randomly when turning? That’s the only issue I’m having
I got a sudden airbag warning and a crinkle sound of that exact sounding ribbon you pulled out like a tape worm. Sure hope mines DIY
3:55 Does the clock spring tell the car what the steering angle is? How do you make sure the clock spring is installed perfectly centered to the steering wheel being straight? Is it important for the clock spring to be installed perfectly centred? Or will it calibrate itself if it's not perfectly centred?
Generally, the steering angle sensor is separate to the clockspring and on the "car side" so, in short NO.
A new clockspring will come fixed in it's centre position. The column should be centre before fitment.
Yes, for sure
NO, defo not
Always love to watch your videos ❤ From UK
Thank you!!
Really useful info. Thanks for the video!
Hope you don't mind me taking you to ask over a few of the things you've said here:
2:40 - Might sound dumb but you've failed to mention that on clock springs, the ribbon is almost always soldered directly onto the metallic outer body of the ring. This is how it keeps the contact up. Like any moving part, this does stress over time and solder, as we know, goes brittle with age. One of the most common failures is that the ribbon simply comes away from it's metal contact due to excessive movement. Furthermore, a clock spring that has been wrongly installed (or more to the point, not centred) will break prematurely.
3:08 - You put a bit of emphasis on the horn, but it's important to note that MANY Volkswagen's (especially the older ones
Thanks for the insight. I will say that at the 6:20 I have seen that exact thing happen. It happened to a tech next to me.
But again, thanks for the insight. I appreciate it.
HumbleMechanic Seems bizarre, they shouldn't come apart like that man!! Was it a pattern part?
No I think it was a fluke. This was on a mk3 so it was an old gen spring.
HumbleMechanic I imagine it was the old kind like in my car. The one with the horn cable running through the middle?
I should really get a scanner, changed the rack thinking it was bad, checked the main fuse(thing was good didnt mess w/ it) guess im changing a clockspring tomorrow
Excellent, thanks for posting this.
Hi, I've had a similar issue, steering ci yrols don't work, paddle shifters dint work
Charles, if changing a steering wheel in a mk4 does the little connector that goes into the air bag matter witch way it goes in?
My traction light and tire pressure light is on and i am getting 00778, p1698, and b11689 code. Do i have to change the steering angle sensor? Please help me out.
Hello i have a 2017
Volkswagen Passat and of course I scanned it and yes it is the clock spring. Please can you please let me know how the steering come off? Where is the rear bolts or screws that hole the air bag on. Also last do this clock spring have to be programmed
Great video , excellent diagnostic tips.!
Thank you
Thanks for your video, I guess the only concern I have and we'll, the importance of it having to do with safty is. If it controls airbags then why isn't this under a recall. There are several of these that need replaced in the passat alone and the manufacturer is doing what to fix the issue. I understand it's man made ... but manufacturers have recalls on things that are not that big of deal and people could really care less if it gets replaced. This part not so much.
Hi from Greece.
I have this problem with my touran and my mechanic says that an aftermarket part does not work correctly and i have to get original part which is pretty expensive.
Any ideas?
Is it correct that aftermarket part has issues?
Nice video by the way
Just got a letter telling me the warranty on this for my Mk7 Golf has been extended. I guess a number of VW from 2010 to 2022 have had it fail, and VW will replace it when it happens. So I guess I got it covered should it ever go bad for now. But this is now good stuff to know.
I have a 13 A6 that the ribbon broke on mine, do you by chance have a step buy step on how to replace it.
At first I thought you literally meant a spring for a clock - like, "they still use springs in clocks? :)
Here we call them "slip ring" or airbag slip ring (or they were when I was last working on them). If I recall, I think I had only replaced one or two of them back in the day. They weren't something that failed too often, but they were more basic back then and were only used for the airbag connections.
Ahhah. I meant to also mention that it has other names. some parts catalogs call it a canceling ring.
Really thru me, horn and buttons all worked tho....? VCDS solved that issue and the recoding. Used one from a wreck, works fine. Thanks for the tips
E Klein did coding fix your power steering fault too?
Don’t think I had a power steering fault, but everything worked fine thereafter. Just have to reset the calibration by turn steering wheel fully both directions and then turn ignition key off and then back on.
Hey man. great video. I changed my steering wheel and my power steering went out. would the clock spring be related to this in a mkv jetta? since it's electric?
steering horn don’t work and remote doesn’t beep & Alarm don’t work. Could it be the clock spring? 2015 vw tdi sel 55k
No dash lights
03591 signal horn activation sporadic 011 open circuit
What’s that?
Thank you,Now I know why my x5 got all 3 symptoms...Great info👍🏽
Our clock spring went out. Waiting on part from back order. Car(2105 VW Passat) all of sudden car won’t start randomly. Can the clock spring cause this? I think it’s the solenoid on the starter getting stuck. Thank for your input.
That was very helpful.
Thanks :)
I replaced my clock spring on my passat b5.5 (3bg) and got steering angle sensor, went away to a workshop and got the DTCs out and the sensor was dead in the new one and also got "module not coded", switched back to the old one and still have the same issues :(
Mine just went bad 75k on a ‘17 golf. The 15 golfs had a recall on this but my vin doesn’t register as eligible for the recall. I’m gonna talk to my VW service department about that.
My 2013 Passat TDi steering wheel is making crinkly sounds when turned past a full rotation, and the air bag light just came on. Willing to bet it is this
Any suggestions for a Traction Control light that won't go off after an ignition cylinder housing replacement on a 2010 beetle?
Really interesting!!! Thank you for your sharing!!!
I changed my audi a4 2008 b8 clock spring because of air bag but after changing it, esp and coil light is on. Do I need to scan the system again and how to do calibration?
I change clock spring in 2007 Vw Passat has to reprogram because horn still no work?
hi I'd like to know how to adapt Audi tt steering Angle sensor. I've put a new clock spring and now my traction control light is on. so how do I reset it?
Is the clock spring another word for steering wheel angle sensor I have steering light on abs light on traction control light on and steering wheel light on thanks in advance and when I turn the steering wheel my steering angle sensor it stays at zero. Its the clock spring take away abs light away from that I think that's a different issue
my 20k miles 2016 GTI has this issue. Off to the dealership I guess.
Is it common for electronic steering to fail with airbag light on. It goes away if I restart a few times or clear the 00003 code? 2016 FWD Tiguan (USA)
Hey, my steering wheel buttons and horn don’t work, I’ll go into a bit off detail as to what happened before, so we took everything out from a 2019 van and put it into a 2005 shell, so everything like electricals, struts, engine, dash, roof lining, flooring, ect… after we got everything connected to turned over the van and it ran, it also drives, everything in it seems to work fine except for the steering wheel as I stated earlier, would it be the clock spring?
Whats the story wen u change the clockspring but the airbag light went off but the horn and the multifunction isn't working any idea whats up
Reminds me of one customer who tried this and messed up. Every time he turned right his horn would go off. Apparently nearly got a ticket for honking at a cop!
Dan R that’s hilarious 😂
Both horn and horn alarm sound are not working. What would be the cause for this?
I have a 2009 vw transporter (uk) its making a real bad rumbling/grinding noise when steering. It seems to be coming from just below the steering wheel. I only have to turn the wheel a few degrees and it rumbles... Ive changed all the top mounts. Could it be the clock spring? It really is coming from the steering column rather than thr rack or top mounts
I have a low pitched "cracking" in my steering column but I dont have an airbag light i can use my horn and my wheel controls work. Do you still think its a clock spring?
I tried to put my wheel back on and this just popped off and everything came out . I can’t get it back perfect my wheel clicks while turning .. could I just remove this and have no horn and air bag? 95 golf . Or will this mess up my wheel turning while driving ?
Hi humble mechanic, thanks for the video. My clock spring failed in a 2014 RS5. I was wondering if you know if the clock spring in the RS5 is the same as the VW ones that failed. I heard it’s unusual that the RS5 clock spring failed. Also, are there preventative measures to have a clock spring last for as long as possible. Thank you so much once again.
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matt cochran Sweet. I have been there once. Very cool spot.
Epc light turn on clean the throttle and it use have P2101 P2212erase codes then took it for a ride it seem find but it turn on again with a P2212 and started rev by itself when being stop and hard to accelerate
What about a 2009 GTI will I need to code it after replacing
This is so frustrating for me because I took it to dealer and he basically told me there's no way it could be my clock spring because it doesn't control the ARS on the airbag , and I tried to explain to him that there are variations in clock springs and flat out said no and that he had been working on vw's for ten years and that I didn't need to advise him on vw's and there's no way a bad clock spring would make an airbag and ARS light and ABS light come on, but my thinking is that since ARS is tied to ABS system it makes sense that both lights would come on along with airbag.....am I right or am I just deeply confused
I've been reading on all the forms about and issue that from what I can gather is this, BUT, I don't have any issues with my horn or anything else. it's just a clicking sound coming from the steering column. it sounds like a solenoid clicking on and off rapidly. it seams to not do it as much when the stereo is muted. this is on a 2010 gti. think this could be related to this?
thanks!
I thought so too, that's why I wanted to get a better opinion. They are giving me the clock spring for $75, no labor (this is the Volkswagen dealership). Do you recommend I just get the part or just go elsewhere? I got the lock cylinder replaced through them and I'm still having the immobilizer problem. I kinda want them I finish what they started so this won't be a complete waste of money 😕
Can a steering angle Sensor (G85) fault affect the way the car feels on the road, ie. swaying, feeling loose, etc ?
Bro i want ask u...clock spring glof mk6 and golf mk5 it same or not?
Today I heard a snap when I turned the wheel and now the controls and horn dont work
Thanks for this video, Charles. I have a 2019 Golf. Cruise control didn’t work. They replaced the buttons. Didn’t help. The clock spring. Didn’t help (+ my steering wheel was put back on without proper alignment). Then they replaced the harness, which fixed the problem. But now I hear a rubbing or feel some friction when I turn the steering wheel. Not a ton. But it’s there. Is that normal? Could something be misaligned or crimped or something? It’s been about two months now. Thanks, Charles. I’m a new subscriber and follow the dudes at DAP too. 👊🏼.
My steering controls and horn are not working after getting the vehicle through auction sales, no airbag sign on dash board, scan tool shows U108E. The clock spring installed was a 2019 manufactured. My vehicle is a 2104 VW Passat 1.8L turbo, is there any way you can help?
I had the clockspring replaced in my 2013 VW Passat TDI in Sept 2014, thankfully it was under warranty. Today (10 months and 20,000 miles later) the clockspring went out again. The car is out of warranty. Do you know if this something I'm going to have to replace very year?
Thanks for the video!
butter me That is odd. I have not ever seen multiple clock spring failures. It is possible but very unusual. Are the symptoms the same?
HumbleMechanic Thanks for getting back to me. Yes, it's the same symptoms, clicking in steering wheel when turning, controls on the steering wheel don't work, horn doesn't work, and I have an airbag error. I have an appointment with my local VW dealer tomorrow.
HumbleMechanic My dealer confirmed it's the clock spring again. They said if I buy the part, they will throw in the labor for free. A woman at the service counter implied I'm to blame for these clock spring failures because I turn the steering wheel too far. I'm thinking 2nd clock spring failure was due to the VW mechanic putting it in wrong? IDK.
@@butterme9171 Did you end up having any further issues with the clock spring after fixing it for the second time? I've heard a lot of people complaining about multiple fixes. Just bought a 2012 Tiguan on Carvana and the clock spring has obviously failed. I'm trying to decide if it's worth fixing or if I should just return the vehicle while I still can. Thanks!
How do you know when the clock spring is centered?
Hey pal there’s no video on Tiguan led light problem 2013 in led strips don’t light
Which led?
2004 bmw 330 xi suddenly horn stopped working radio on off when visor lights pulled down air bag off.
BMW said it Clock spring and ignition switch
is that the likely problem One or both?. also a new airbag got installed about 1 year ago on the steering wheel .
2013 Passat. I knew my clock spring was on its way when I started hearing binding paper/plastic ticking when I turn the wheel. Eventually I made a turn one day and I heard a snap and bam. Airbag light, no hornet etc..
I hate vw. I had same thing happened to me.
Great vid man.................and great beard.
+Jamey Summers Thanks on both accounts.
Hey Humble, I have a 2014 Tiguan where the we recently got a Red solid steering wheel indicator come on and stay on with the loss of Power steering. We have had 3 mechanics throw a scanner / diagnostic reader on the car and wasn't getting any reading to point them in the right direction. (1) Have you seen this happen to many other Tiguan's for that year and (2) do you know what would cause this so we can try and fix the issue? Appreciate any and all feedback, hope you have a great day Bud and stay Humble!
Have to say i'm a little annoyed that you ask for comments as though you are interested in helping DIYers but most of your responses are short and usually to people who say they love your videos. I mean if you're not being sponsored then I can understand a little more. But there are some genuine and good questions on here that you have not responded to. Very helpful video apart from that. Thx.
I’m one dude that gets hundreds of communications a day. I do my absolute best to get to everyone.
@@HumbleMechanic I get that. But if you're sponsored I guess you need to think about how to handle that or perhaps not ask for people to respond. Not anti your site at all but there's a number of ppl that asked questions yrs ago... like 4yrs for one person at least.
The video is like my 3rd video I ever did. I do my best to answer all comments, questions, emails,DMs, texts phone calls and so on.
It has nothing to do with sponsored or not. Not even sure what that has to do with it. It’s purely a matter of time. I do my best man. It’s that simple. If that’s not good enough for you, I’m sorry.
@@HumbleMechanic being sponsored as in receiving $ for your time. Sorry mate. There are a host of you tubers providing info on stuff like this but few seem to want to respond to questions.
Could a failed clock spring cause a short on the airbag control module? I turned my steering wheel on my 2011 VW Tiguan SEL and it clicked while turning and then the airbag light came on. The dealer said the control module failed from a short and I feel like an airbag control module of all things doesn't just short for no reason. But then again, I'm no mechanic. Thanks in advance!
I got air bag and asr light on and my horn doesn’t work I’m thinking it can be this
And my steering wheel is tilted
Thanks for the info..
Bt can u pls tell how much a clock spring costs for vento 1.6 CR
Glad to help. I don't really know the price of that clock spring
Just replaced mine, ribbon was pinched which gave airbag and steering angle sensor code, displayed as ABS fault which real
hi . tahnks for video man. but i have still same problem after replaced part clock spring . b1801 b1811 error code toyota highlander
how can diagnostic ? thanks
I have a dodge journey 2009 SXT. Air bag light turn on as soon as I start driving and stays on. I removed Clockspring and tried to test it and it looks good. Please advise me.the fix.
First, thanks for the video it's good info. Second, on my B5 I get a code 00588, airbag igniter: driver side (N95). Sporadic- Value of resistance too great. I replaced the airbag yesterday and light still on, so I'm thinking the clock spring is my culprit?
That is very likely. You also have to clear the light. Airbag light generally doesn't go out by itself.
+HumbleMechanic yes I have like 3-4 times and it goes off but a second later it pops back on. I'm going to try right now turning the wheel and see if it will clear. But that code I gave you points out to a clock spring?
Very much could. What scanner tool are you using to clear faults? With VCDS you can check the info of the airbag module and see when the n95 reading drops out.
+HumbleMechanic a cheap Vag Max scan for VW/Audi. I doubt I would see any drops in the n95 readings but will see if it will delete it. Again, I appreciate the quick responses thank you and I will be checking out Deutsche's auto parts!
If you can go into address word 15 and go into read measure value blocks, do that.
I forgot what block it is, but it's very low like 1,2,3 VCDS labels the blocks. You'll want to find n95.
Monitor that while turning the wheel. It may go from correct to too large. If it does that while turning the wheel it's almost certain. It's the clock spring.
My golf mk4 washers don't work at all. I've changed everything!!! Everything really.
Could it be this part? 🙈🇩🇪
hey í have an 04 passat glx and í changed all the airbags and the module but not the Clock spring and when í was done the car honked like never before but í disconnected it is so could it be the Clock spring ?
Is there a recall for this part ?
The airbag sign went off on my VW Tiguan, buttons don’t work and horn not working. Went to get it fixed at the mechanics. Now my cruise control not working, windshield wipers not working and hydronic power steering issue. What could that be?
Yikes. Maybe a module coding issue. Usually that doesn’t impact the power steering
would the clock spring cause my steering wheel to completely lock up? not the steering wheel lock..but the steering wheel is actually not movable.(can't turn it)
or is that the whole steering column assembly that's bad? any idea?
Thanks for the great video. I have a 2007 Eos with a persistent yet intermittent airbag light.
01217 - Side Airbag Igniter; Driver Side (N199)
001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent - MIL ON
The TSB regarding the wiring under the seat was already resolved by previous owner. I checked the wiring and it looks good. I checked the measurement value blocks Group [21] and the driver side igniter resistance is higher, 3.2, than the others (3.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.6). I have also checked, disconnected and cleaned the contacts below the seat.
What do you think? Is it the clock spring?
The weird thing is that it calls out the "side airbag". That shouldn't be associated with anything near the steering wheel, right?
n199 is the side airbag igniter. the one in the drivers seat. Check the connection under the carpet. Seen a few fail there. Also seen a few airbags need replacement
I have a Passat TD 2013-My- it is still under warranty.
I had to have a new steering lock installed as the car would not turn off - we found a way to jiggle with it and turn it off.
Upon driving home after they had fixed that I found that the horn was not working ( lucky there was no accident)-Nor any of the steering wheel controls.
Took it back and was told that on of the plugs was not put in all the way and that they taped so that through vibration it would not come out again. The said this is what they were doing with the Jetta that were coming in with a similar problem.
Ok they taped it and it works BUT I do not feel it should have to be taped- but should be securely clip in as in the original condition. As I said it is under warranty.
In your opinion do you think that the clock spring should be replaced?
Is it negligence on the techs part not to have seen that/or check for full functioning of vehicle when they were fixing the steering lock problem?
Thanks for any info before I call up service manager to complain.
(I see below that there is a recall coming up- but not sure for what exactly)
I wouldn't be cool with it being taped.
I have replaced a good amount of locks and never had to tape a connector.
It's hard to say what happened with out seeing the car.
+Robert Maddison - "In their words--"33030 found that one of the plugs did not to clip in all the way. Clipped in the plug Everything working now"
I inquired about exactly what was the problem and my advisor told me that had clipped in plug and secured it with electrical tape to make sure it stayed connected....
@humblemechanich
Hi. Im having some issue with a skoda yeti 2011. Its havs the airbag light on and the obd2 scan shows error code b10001b. The horn works fine. Any idea of what causes it. Bought online a spring coil and with that one the airbag went of but horn not working. So im a bit lost.
what's up my botha hey can you make a video about replacing or fixing a power steering pump mine is really noisy on my mk2 vr6 2.8
The vr6 is actually easy to replace the pump. Just old out new in
I just realized I'm replying to a 3 yr old comment
If anyone still has this problem and VW hasn't done anything to fix it...I just talked to my dealer and they said there is a new extended manufacturers warranty on the clock spring and my car was included. When I first went in for the recall back in march I was told my airbag light was not on, therefore, they wont fix it and will just put the protective cover on it(my horn and controls were not working either). But now with the new warranty I will see how that goes in December!
UPDATE: Air bag light needs to be on along with broken controls. Even if the dealer tells you otherwise like they did to me, in the end you will have to pay if one of those is not occurring. The dealer even admitted some slip through the cracks and get covered even without the airbag light on, but nope not with me. So thank you VW for wasting my time once again and telling me the wrong information.
Lauren Elizabeth yes thats true i receive the letter like 5 months ago and now im will have to go, i have a passat 2012
That's sucks, the games they play. What year is your car?
And model?
Great info video on the clock Spring. I have a 03 Passat GLX 4-motion - any chance you know this very basic clock Spring requires some dealer code reset or does an OBD2 tool justify if needed? Don’t want to replace and have more codes pop up. Let me know if you can. Thanks 🙏
Why clock spring will damage?
Dude I need some help, I've got an issue either steering light showing up, diagnose test shows it's the steering angle sensor error no communication, I have changed it already but it failed to reset, also that triggers the rear abs sensor not responding, I've spent so much already and it's still not fixed. Need help please