The worst change that Blizzard made to BG's is making gold worthless. I used to play a lot of Standard and Wild but I have not played in 2+ years. Back when you could buy the additional hero slots with gold, I had a reason to at least complete the quests. There had been times where I would complete the quest for the gold and then go "hey, that's a cool deck; I wanna try that" which means Blizzard at least got me into the store. Now I have not completed a daily quest since that change and I have zero interest in anything that is not BG, which means Blizzard doesn't have the chance to turn me back into a paying customer.
Yeah. I used to play a lot of constructed, and the adventure stuff, and was actually gonna go buy stuff for the first time when the announcements came out about gold changes.
This may have been acceptable if they had given all players the permanent free reroll per game, and then gave people who bought the regular pass another additional free reroll per game, and that's it - no tokens or anything like that. But what they did here is not okay. You have understated the advantage of getting a better hero choice, let alone 4 of them. And the fact that they try to justify themselves by saying "we didn't give armor or gold tokens" is just such plainly obvious manipulation that it feels insultint they think anyone would fall for it.
It is literally irrelevant for anyone who plays this game for fun, which is the vast majority of people. Blizzard messed up by not properly monetizing BGs in the beginning, and then failing to come up with a way to monetize it that people would actually pay for. And they failed again - as this thing is literally irrelevant and doesn't provide $20 value.
@@ForOne814 I kind of disagree because the people playing the game for fun are the ones more likely to ditch the game if they don't hit any fun heroes in the selection. That being said I don't think that kind of player is going to buy rerolls when insta-conceding to try again costs nothing
@@onegirltwojackets2835 you still get the heroes randomly, that doesn't change. What changes is that you can re-roll after that. And yeah, you can just concede to get the same result.
Yeah i dislike this especially for late game scenarios this hero power change is such an advantage especially with the reveal of the new heros with zero cost copy a minion or reroll into reno etc. Etc. If the button is single use each turn is irrelevant. The fact it can be used 4 times per game is kind of insane. Even if there is rng element this sort of throws hero rng and armor balancing away. Because just choose a shitty hero with high armor trade away to a better hero power eventually.
Whats fishy? If blizz cant make bg's turn a profit they will just shut it down. STOP LEECHING. Support the games you enjoy. Blizz is a business, they dont care about you or your free time. Want bg's to get better? SUPPORT IT.
@@sunnydlite-t8b I payed blizzard for it by buying cards before, 100 times more than they deserved. I will never pay them again. If people want to pay them its fine, but i am never paying for an pay to win or lootbox game again. BG is not good enough to have a subscription either, and even cars have subscription to use some features today even if you own it. I will never buy that either, it is just stupid people allowing themselves to be scammed by massive companies always looking for the next scam to suck their loyal customers dry, I was a Blizzard fan probably before you were born and back then companies valued their customer and delivered a good product, not just a good scam. They have made so many customer hostile choices last decades they actually deserve to go bancrupt. They also had other big scandals on top of that and they have had a bad history of exploiting workers and doing shady things just to please stock owners. You have to have been living under a rock to not get that. The game will not get better if you pay, they just give shareholders more profit. They are the leeches! Only thing you are right about is THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR FREE TIME.
I've found that becoming free-to-play actually makes the game more variable over time (because it pushes me to try out heroes that I otherwise would skip). It doesn't really matter to me if the pay-to-play players have 4 hero choices (or even 8 with the new system) because you can play the game just fine with any hero
This is pay to win. Nothing more need be said. It's a small advantage, sure, but it is purchasing a advantage. The other issue, is that since HS BG released, Blizzard has been trying to balance heroes, so that power levels are on par, but now they have less incentive to balance the game, because if they leave underpowered heroes in the game, people will more likely want to use paid rerolls to get rid of them.
I think this is the main danger. ShadyBunny says "they will have to ensure good balance". Unfortunately, when looking over the numbers, they are going to say "look at how much money we are making on people rerolling trash/unfun heroes! We need to make more of those!"
Yep. What other options do they have really? Ig make some other cosmetics that are really extra, or let people pay for certain customs/gamemodes or little extra things
If this is the only change for more monetization of BG it seems okay I guess, but it definitely is setting a dangerous precedent. They say they won't add more pay2win to BG, but if this earns enough for them, they'll definitely start rethinking that statement.
They already are. The survey they did a couple months ago about adding a hero reroll token also had questions about an armor token and an ingame reroll token. They’re absolutely considering the idea, they just don’t think they can get away with it for now.
@@Senen33 Wow that's so fucked up.. I feel like the game has been better when it comes to mechanics (like trinkets) but everything else is getting worse and worse
Where can we go to rant about this to the developers? I agree making premium more of a legitimate/enticing option by offering rerolls, but the fun of the game is in the challenge and fairly skill based fight. If you allow pay to win aspects (like buying additional rerolls ontop of premium pass) youve ruined the fairness of the competition, this may damage the community beyond repair imo as top players leave to go elsewhere eventually
It is definitely buying power, same as restricting hero choice. Slippery slope is being confirmed for sure, now the "next fear" is that in a year it's going to be "pay 3 tokens and you get to outright choose your hero (if F2P player had it as a choice, you can take it from them and they have to reroll)". Turning into a game like slot machine, where impatient people with too much money just swipe their credit card constantly for a boost of fun.
I feel like it will be a nice pace with no trinkets. Straight shop management and minion stats without having to worry about what trinkets other people have.
As someone who bought the first two tavern passes then stopped but still finishes them every season I've never felt particularly worse off having 2 vs 4 hero picks and i think since we can't see how many tokens other people will be using it won't really feel that bad either
I think that it's paying for an advantage no doubt, but said advantage is miniscule enough to really be a non-factor. That being said I also would've liked for it to be free. There are so many heroes that I think hero reroll is a good addition in general.
The big issue I see with these is that they completely go over the hero limit, so you can have multiples of the same hero in one lobby. Imagine 3 Terons in Undead lobbies or Lich Kings that will just scam you nonstop.
For people who play competitive this could be usefull, but for me for example, i play for fun. I dont care if a hero is bad or not. I play every hero and try to make it work. Thats the fun for me in BG.
If this gets popular, expect soon in the new Arena as well: "Pay token to reroll hero choice" and fanboys will be saying "it's not a big deal, heroes are almost the same if you're good enough". Token will become ubiquitous in all of Hearthstone, where it's just "swipe your credit card for more fun / power" in every mode and menu. Like people at slot machines just swiping card hoping to find more fun.
We say this like game communities have ever successfully fought against monetization practices. Or ANY game company screw ups. League’s $450 skin, WoW’s $90 mount, the “Boycott MW2 for dedicated servers” debacle, Diablo Mobile apparently being profitable, current Tekken 8, Apex Legends a few months ago, the existence of battle passes. Gamers as a whole are terrible at boycotting and protesting games. Unless it straight up kills a game, we’ll accept anything with whales being an especially big problem.
Where was this concept in the Hearthstone battlegrounds questionnaire a few weeks ago? They asked players what kinds of ideas of monetization they'd like to see, but if they included this, it would have been universally hated. Why ask for our opinions at all if you're not presenting the ideas you actually plan to implement?
I occasionally get the tavern/battleground passes if i have extra gold in WoW... and still, i find it kinda insane how many people are willing to die on the hill "3-4 $/month makes bgs pay to win"... your rating is affected more by how many games you play and dumb luck than the 2 extra choices.
As you said, having more hero choices is more fun but it sucks that they're hiding the fun behind a paywall. Now they're going even further, I don't think it's a good direction for the game. Sure they need to make money but I'm sure people would get the pass if it was only cosmetics but they bothered making cooler stuff. They keep adding bugs to the game without fixing the old ones, we still have uneven turn timers, game randomly crashing and freezing, we have tons of hero that are completely outdated and they're going with paying rerolls as an improvement? Yeah i'm not happy with that
The battlegrounds pass should be included in the tavern pass. Otherwise just get rid of it and let us pick between 4 heroes. The rerolls are absolutely useless. Only matters if your playing for rating, which lets be honest is not something most poeple do. Battlegrounds is at this point hearthstones major gamemode, its by far the most played in the game yet blizzard is actively pushing people to spend money on the only game mode that is actually f2p. Now rerolls arent a bad thing, just feels stupid. They should give us all the choice between 4 heroes, rerolls is also something everybody should have once per game.
Just having one reroll included in the pass would have been fine. In fact, I would have considered that a good change. But allowing players to just buy rerolls from the shop is unacceptable to me. This is really the first time they're removing the cap on how much money people can spend on bgs. Now you can literally just spend infinite money. You can see they're basically trying to milk the whales. It's really annoying to know that from now on, a lot of players in my mmr range are gonna have 4 rerolls every game which means they're so much more likely to get a high roll hero which then means that when I get a mediocre hero, it's gonna feel so much worse than before
give no ground, accept no compromise, if players become complacent with this they will step it up, then they will step it up from there. Vote with your wallet and don't touch it
Well it was fun until it lasted, after some recent questionaires i knew it would go this way, not as bad as some ideas they had but it still leaves a bitter taste.
Super happy cuz I don’t have much time to play but I got disposable income so rather than wasting time with a boring hero I can try to get someone fun. Good monetization but man pay to win is always bad lol
It can't be understated how detrimental these kind of incentives can be to the health of game. Introducing mechanics that align monetization with maintaining imbalance will just harm this game's ecosystem even further and it's already not in a great spot to begin with. Yet another short-sighted decision.
rerolls are interesting and i think are still on the side of pay to win, but if you made the base pass have 4 heroes (as it should have already) and then make the rerolls the monitization strategy. And make each hero slot get a free reroll. but greedy blizzard thats not going to happen. Or better, add a preffered hero roster for each play where they need to add at least 16 to it. Then the rerolls only helps the pay to win players so much
knowing blizzard I bet they will target people who buy rerolls by using the game data to encourage them to use those rerolls i.e give them low win heroes, so they use them/buy more
@@Ro7770 even if it is illegal, someone has to be prepared to prove it at their own expense. Depends exactly how it's implemented. Might be profitable to even get caught and pay a fine if it pays off well enough etc. Calculated risk min-maxing
I Love ya Shady, watched since arena days, but I'm burnt out on battlegrounds, don't know if it's just me or if it's stagnated pretty bad, seems like it's going downhill and I don't want you going down with the ship
Blizzard is spitting in the players faces and we are happy it's raining. Another poor way of the monetization, while we suffer from random bugs every tiny patch. The product they deliever has foults, but they are not ashamed to ask for more money. Anyway, I will be still stucking 8-9k with my 2 Heroes with no rolls.😊
I hate how heavy the pay to win is with the game, it is a great concept and I enjoy battlegrounds but thankfully I don't care about climbing so I just quit game if I really don't want to play either hero. Might look for another game to fill the soon to be void.
This is crazy as f*ck. Sure it's no big deal for most of us. But it's a big pile of crap, and then they justified themselves saying: "we don't want to add more armor, etc tokens". And oh boy, i know, you know that sentence hide a YET. TIME TO ABBANDON BGs for good. 🙌
People just want a game that is continuously updated, balanced, new content and they want it to be completely free. I am sorry guys, but the game needs to make money and the cards aren't selling, so BG's has to make more money. It is either that or there is no BG's any more...
yea cause they dont have enought money they are almost broke poor guys you buy pixel that you dont even own when the game close you lose everything so plz shut
@@Faffo90 What's the alternative? Because are you going to pay 50 bucks for a game and then expect it to be constantly updated as well? I prefer paying a single time as well, but Hearthstone wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as big if it wasn't F2P from the start, but for a company to keep investing in a product they need to see a profit, and the profit needs to be at least as substantial as they would have gotten from investments elsewhere... That is just how capitalism works, I don't like it either, but that is the way it is. If it doesn't make money, they aren't going to keep investing in it...
Blizzard doing blizzard things only care about the money money. Would've been okay with the rerolls being able to buy with gold. Honestly as a pure BG player, I have nothing to do with a stack of ingame gold.
I wish they would focus on rebalancing unplayable trash instead of adding more p2w mechanics. This might seem relatively innocuous but it sets a precedent for the future and disincentivizes the devs from balance because, theoretically, having more trash heroes = more stuff to reroll. Idk man it feels like bgs is really on a decline here
Them adding the original P2W made me uninstall the game and the Bnet client for a long time. Only came back recently because some of the new things in the game looked fun, but I still don't like that aspect of the game. It sucks that they're making it even worse and I'll see if I care enough to keep playing. They can't just leave well enough alone. They have to find new ways to nickle and dime people with P2W crap. One of the perpetual problems with the game is how just how many of the heroes suck, either because they're bad or like you said, just boring. The only "fix" they've done to this over the years was the armor system, but that doesn't solve the fun problem. There are still so many sets of 2 heroes I get that are super lame and make me want to just not play that game. To me, the P2W stuff isn't just bad from a competitive standpoint, it's that it creates perverse incentives for the company. You say they need to be extra careful with balance, but where's the incentive to do that or to make more of the heroes fun? They directly profit from people getting fed up enough with the bad heroes that they're willing to pay to solve the problem the company created in the first place.
I'm sorry but this is the ultimate greed. Imagine playing TFT and they now started charging you to reroll augments!! I usually buy the season pass just for the extra character choice, but as long as this exists I'm going to vote with my wallet and go free to play. Greedy and I won't enable it.b
Let me just reroll for gold. I spent like 30k gold on packs i never use because there is no usage for battlegrounds. I have close to 30k gold saved up again. And i still hate that they took away battle pass for gold. Any advantage for money adds a pay 2 win aspect.
Once people accept garbage like this, they are just going to shove more of it down your throught and then the game becomes just another dogshit p2w game
How is paying for something == more fun ? In life you work ( which is not fun) to get what you want, how is it paying more fun ? I know that Blizzard tries to monetize the game but paying is not more fun...Is just an advantage you are given to beat people who don't have the advantage...That's practically more fun for you disregarding the lesser people...Does having 4 hero choices or free rerolls give you more fun just because others don't have the option and you can pound them ?
Having more choice is more fun because I am more likely to see heroes I like, regardless of winrate. Shady says as much in the vid. Yes winning is fun but even if all 8 people have the pass, getting a reroll is going to improve my chances at enjoying the lobby because I get to see a minimum of 5 heroes now and hopefully select from among my favorites. Like, I am taking Rafaam 10 times out of 10 if he in a choice for me and this gives me slightly higher odds of seeing him.
Ah yes, surely Activision blizzard which was bought by Microsoft need to use foul monetisation tactics to survive to spit out 3 mini patches in a month 🤡 Keep coping, re rolling tavern for tokens is next
Whatever, it's just a cheap way to get people to buy the battle pass. I wish you would have to pay to play mmr games, get the rif raf out of the fun to play games.
The worst change that Blizzard made to BG's is making gold worthless. I used to play a lot of Standard and Wild but I have not played in 2+ years. Back when you could buy the additional hero slots with gold, I had a reason to at least complete the quests. There had been times where I would complete the quest for the gold and then go "hey, that's a cool deck; I wanna try that" which means Blizzard at least got me into the store. Now I have not completed a daily quest since that change and I have zero interest in anything that is not BG, which means Blizzard doesn't have the chance to turn me back into a paying customer.
Good lord your name gave me sc2 ptsd
Yeah. I used to play a lot of constructed, and the adventure stuff, and was actually gonna go buy stuff for the first time when the announcements came out about gold changes.
Yeh gold is worthless now. I have 10k gold nothing to spend it on.
rerolls aren't inherently bad, but being able to pay for them is just a dumb idea
Exactly, I don't mind the pass+
But I HATE the fact you can buy in shop...
This may have been acceptable if they had given all players the permanent free reroll per game, and then gave people who bought the regular pass another additional free reroll per game, and that's it - no tokens or anything like that. But what they did here is not okay. You have understated the advantage of getting a better hero choice, let alone 4 of them. And the fact that they try to justify themselves by saying "we didn't give armor or gold tokens" is just such plainly obvious manipulation that it feels insultint they think anyone would fall for it.
It is literally irrelevant for anyone who plays this game for fun, which is the vast majority of people. Blizzard messed up by not properly monetizing BGs in the beginning, and then failing to come up with a way to monetize it that people would actually pay for. And they failed again - as this thing is literally irrelevant and doesn't provide $20 value.
@@ForOne814 I kind of disagree because the people playing the game for fun are the ones more likely to ditch the game if they don't hit any fun heroes in the selection. That being said I don't think that kind of player is going to buy rerolls when insta-conceding to try again costs nothing
@@onegirltwojackets2835 you still get the heroes randomly, that doesn't change. What changes is that you can re-roll after that. And yeah, you can just concede to get the same result.
Yeah i dislike this especially for late game scenarios this hero power change is such an advantage especially with the reveal of the new heros with zero cost copy a minion or reroll into reno etc. Etc. If the button is single use each turn is irrelevant. The fact it can be used 4 times per game is kind of insane. Even if there is rng element this sort of throws hero rng and armor balancing away. Because just choose a shitty hero with high armor trade away to a better hero power eventually.
@@massie27you did not understand the reroll correctly
Haha. I roll at 10k with 2 hero choices. Screw the useless passes
we F2P players already only get two instead of 4 choices, and now the paying players also get to reroll more than us. Smells fishy
Whats fishy? If blizz cant make bg's turn a profit they will just shut it down. STOP LEECHING. Support the games you enjoy. Blizz is a business, they dont care about you or your free time. Want bg's to get better? SUPPORT IT.
@@sunnydlite-t8bno
@sunnydlite-t8b Naaahh I will sooner throw my money away at a slot machine before buying the tavern pass.
@@sunnydlite-t8b this stop leeching mentality is fucking stupid, if the game is fucking free, then i will play the fucking free game for fucking free
@@sunnydlite-t8b I payed blizzard for it by buying cards before, 100 times more than they deserved. I will never pay them again. If people want to pay them its fine, but i am never paying for an pay to win or lootbox game again. BG is not good enough to have a subscription either, and even cars have subscription to use some features today even if you own it. I will never buy that either, it is just stupid people allowing themselves to be scammed by massive companies always looking for the next scam to suck their loyal customers dry, I was a Blizzard fan probably before you were born and back then companies valued their customer and delivered a good product, not just a good scam. They have made so many customer hostile choices last decades they actually deserve to go bancrupt. They also had other big scandals on top of that and they have had a bad history of exploiting workers and doing shady things just to please stock owners. You have to have been living under a rock to not get that. The game will not get better if you pay, they just give shareholders more profit. They are the leeches! Only thing you are right about is THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU OR YOUR FREE TIME.
Lmao, I feel like 99% of the players ain’t touching the pass for the rerolls. Most rerolls will still be whiffs.
I'm eternally stuck on 6-7k MMR because I just concede if I get a hero I don't like. I'm fairly sure there are loads of players like me
@@MrTraxex1909u also need extra cash
@@MrTraxex1909stop concede lol. Game doesn't end at the bad hero.
@@NightStarReal his right ido the same i play for fun i conced if i dont find the race i want to play; fk the rating
@@NightStarReal its not that people concede because it's lower chance of winning, people concede because some heroes are less fun
time to move to The bazaar time to gamboling P2W
I've found that becoming free-to-play actually makes the game more variable over time (because it pushes me to try out heroes that I otherwise would skip). It doesn't really matter to me if the pay-to-play players have 4 hero choices (or even 8 with the new system) because you can play the game just fine with any hero
This is pay to win. Nothing more need be said. It's a small advantage, sure, but it is purchasing a advantage. The other issue, is that since HS BG released, Blizzard has been trying to balance heroes, so that power levels are on par, but now they have less incentive to balance the game, because if they leave underpowered heroes in the game, people will more likely want to use paid rerolls to get rid of them.
I think this is the main danger. ShadyBunny says "they will have to ensure good balance". Unfortunately, when looking over the numbers, they are going to say "look at how much money we are making on people rerolling trash/unfun heroes! We need to make more of those!"
The bar was on the floor and they somehow dug under it. Activision never fails to disappoint, literally WORSHIPING money.
The idea that they're charging an extra $5 for 1 free reroll per game is pretty crazy. Should be a base feature imho.
The devs were probably forced by a dilemma: The gamemode needs to make more money, and skins just dont sell.
Yep. What other options do they have really? Ig make some other cosmetics that are really extra, or let people pay for certain customs/gamemodes or little extra things
Less pay2win and more pay4comfort/fun
If this is the only change for more monetization of BG it seems okay I guess, but it definitely is setting a dangerous precedent. They say they won't add more pay2win to BG, but if this earns enough for them, they'll definitely start rethinking that statement.
They already are. The survey they did a couple months ago about adding a hero reroll token also had questions about an armor token and an ingame reroll token. They’re absolutely considering the idea, they just don’t think they can get away with it for now.
@@Senen33 Wow that's so fucked up.. I feel like the game has been better when it comes to mechanics (like trinkets) but everything else is getting worse and worse
Where can we go to rant about this to the developers? I agree making premium more of a legitimate/enticing option by offering rerolls, but the fun of the game is in the challenge and fairly skill based fight. If you allow pay to win aspects (like buying additional rerolls ontop of premium pass) youve ruined the fairness of the competition, this may damage the community beyond repair imo as top players leave to go elsewhere eventually
It is definitely buying power, same as restricting hero choice. Slippery slope is being confirmed for sure, now the "next fear" is that in a year it's going to be "pay 3 tokens and you get to outright choose your hero (if F2P player had it as a choice, you can take it from them and they have to reroll)". Turning into a game like slot machine, where impatient people with too much money just swipe their credit card constantly for a boost of fun.
Thanks for the game theory and your thoughts. We'll have to see how the game evolves.
What's the background song used here, ShadyBunny? I hear some reverbering bells quite far, but it's too low on volume to Shazam it.
Music is now listed in the description.
Thank you.
-xaught
@Shadybunny yo, thank you!
I don't really care personally. I like trying with all the heroes....
Can I pay 5 bucks to start the game at an extra 5 gold please blizzard?
I feel like it will be a nice pace with no trinkets. Straight shop management and minion stats without having to worry about what trinkets other people have.
is it first reroll every game is 0 or first reroll of the season is???
As someone who bought the first two tavern passes then stopped but still finishes them every season I've never felt particularly worse off having 2 vs 4 hero picks and i think since we can't see how many tokens other people will be using it won't really feel that bad either
I think that it's paying for an advantage no doubt, but said advantage is miniscule enough to really be a non-factor. That being said I also would've liked for it to be free. There are so many heroes that I think hero reroll is a good addition in general.
i’m really curious how rerolls sync in game, p sure we ll have double heroes because blizzard small indie company
The big issue I see with these is that they completely go over the hero limit, so you can have multiples of the same hero in one lobby. Imagine 3 Terons in Undead lobbies or Lich Kings that will just scam you nonstop.
This will give quite a big advantage to players who pay. If they get away with this, then more pay 2 win features will follow.
For people who play competitive this could be usefull, but for me for example, i play for fun. I dont care if a hero is bad or not. I play every hero and try to make it work. Thats the fun for me in BG.
If this gets popular, expect soon in the new Arena as well: "Pay token to reroll hero choice" and fanboys will be saying "it's not a big deal, heroes are almost the same if you're good enough". Token will become ubiquitous in all of Hearthstone, where it's just "swipe your credit card for more fun / power" in every mode and menu. Like people at slot machines just swiping card hoping to find more fun.
I wonder how blizzard will react to the battlegrounds community revolting over this
the same as every other time their customers aren't pleased. ignore it and carry on as they please
We say this like game communities have ever successfully fought against monetization practices. Or ANY game company screw ups. League’s $450 skin, WoW’s $90 mount, the “Boycott MW2 for dedicated servers” debacle, Diablo Mobile apparently being profitable, current Tekken 8, Apex Legends a few months ago, the existence of battle passes.
Gamers as a whole are terrible at boycotting and protesting games. Unless it straight up kills a game, we’ll accept anything with whales being an especially big problem.
sorry if I cant understand the reroll token but if I have like 2 token I can only reroll 2 time ? during all the season ?
yes
Where was this concept in the Hearthstone battlegrounds questionnaire a few weeks ago? They asked players what kinds of ideas of monetization they'd like to see, but if they included this, it would have been universally hated. Why ask for our opinions at all if you're not presenting the ideas you actually plan to implement?
I occasionally get the tavern/battleground passes if i have extra gold in WoW... and still, i find it kinda insane how many people are willing to die on the hill "3-4 $/month makes bgs pay to win"... your rating is affected more by how many games you play and dumb luck than the 2 extra choices.
Yeesh thank God Bazaar is out now
Do we know yet what will be in the game instead of the 2 trinkets?
with such a large changes in minion and spell pools, probably nothing, blizz doesn't like to throw everything at once
As you said, having more hero choices is more fun but it sucks that they're hiding the fun behind a paywall. Now they're going even further, I don't think it's a good direction for the game.
Sure they need to make money but I'm sure people would get the pass if it was only cosmetics but they bothered making cooler stuff.
They keep adding bugs to the game without fixing the old ones, we still have uneven turn timers, game randomly crashing and freezing, we have tons of hero that are completely outdated and they're going with paying rerolls as an improvement? Yeah i'm not happy with that
I dont mind rerolls. There are so many heros that u wont always +......i do however wish they would make the base pass buyable with gold again.
I'm done with bg
The battlegrounds pass should be included in the tavern pass. Otherwise just get rid of it and let us pick between 4 heroes. The rerolls are absolutely useless. Only matters if your playing for rating, which lets be honest is not something most poeple do. Battlegrounds is at this point hearthstones major gamemode, its by far the most played in the game yet blizzard is actively pushing people to spend money on the only game mode that is actually f2p. Now rerolls arent a bad thing, just feels stupid. They should give us all the choice between 4 heroes, rerolls is also something everybody should have once per game.
I use the pass as a way to support BG monetization and get cool skins, but this is a bit overkill i think
Just having one reroll included in the pass would have been fine. In fact, I would have considered that a good change. But allowing players to just buy rerolls from the shop is unacceptable to me. This is really the first time they're removing the cap on how much money people can spend on bgs. Now you can literally just spend infinite money. You can see they're basically trying to milk the whales. It's really annoying to know that from now on, a lot of players in my mmr range are gonna have 4 rerolls every game which means they're so much more likely to get a high roll hero which then means that when I get a mediocre hero, it's gonna feel so much worse than before
give no ground, accept no compromise, if players become complacent with this they will step it up, then they will step it up from there. Vote with your wallet and don't touch it
yea, this change is just a cash grab. f to all the ftp peeps they dont matter xD
Well it was fun until it lasted, after some recent questionaires i knew it would go this way, not as bad as some ideas they had but it still leaves a bitter taste.
Super happy cuz I don’t have much time to play but I got disposable income so rather than wasting time with a boring hero I can try to get someone fun. Good monetization but man pay to win is always bad lol
It can't be understated how detrimental these kind of incentives can be to the health of game. Introducing mechanics that align monetization with maintaining imbalance will just harm this game's ecosystem even further and it's already not in a great spot to begin with. Yet another short-sighted decision.
rerolls are interesting and i think are still on the side of pay to win, but if you made the base pass have 4 heroes (as it should have already) and then make the rerolls the monitization strategy. And make each hero slot get a free reroll. but greedy blizzard thats not going to happen. Or better, add a preffered hero roster for each play where they need to add at least 16 to it. Then the rerolls only helps the pay to win players so much
knowing blizzard I bet they will target people who buy rerolls by using the game data to encourage them to use those rerolls i.e give them low win heroes, so they use them/buy more
Also, hold high win heroes hostage so those same people can roll out of bad ones into good ones
that sounds illegally exploitative 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Ro7770 even if it is illegal, someone has to be prepared to prove it at their own expense. Depends exactly how it's implemented. Might be profitable to even get caught and pay a fine if it pays off well enough etc. Calculated risk min-maxing
Why can't they give us BG players something to buy with gold?!
I Love ya Shady, watched since arena days, but I'm burnt out on battlegrounds, don't know if it's just me or if it's stagnated pretty bad, seems like it's going downhill and I don't want you going down with the ship
Blizzard is spitting in the players faces and we are happy it's raining. Another poor way of the monetization, while we suffer from random bugs every tiny patch. The product they deliever has foults, but they are not ashamed to ask for more money. Anyway, I will be still stucking 8-9k with my 2 Heroes with no rolls.😊
Lemme buy them or anything related to BGs with gold plz.
I hate how heavy the pay to win is with the game, it is a great concept and I enjoy battlegrounds but thankfully I don't care about climbing so I just quit game if I really don't want to play either hero. Might look for another game to fill the soon to be void.
3:08 "thats good"
No its not, thats a stupid argument from blizzard, selling armor and gold would completely break the game
This is crazy as f*ck. Sure it's no big deal for most of us. But it's a big pile of crap, and then they justified themselves saying: "we don't want to add more armor, etc tokens". And oh boy, i know, you know that sentence hide a YET.
TIME TO ABBANDON BGs for good. 🙌
Best feeling in HS? Nuking p2w player and making them foam at the mouth when you crush them without any fancy skin or other bs
People just want a game that is continuously updated, balanced, new content and they want it to be completely free. I am sorry guys, but the game needs to make money and the cards aren't selling, so BG's has to make more money. It is either that or there is no BG's any more...
yea cause they dont have enought money they are almost broke poor guys you buy pixel that you dont even own when the game close you lose everything so plz shut
@@Faffo90 What's the alternative? Because are you going to pay 50 bucks for a game and then expect it to be constantly updated as well? I prefer paying a single time as well, but Hearthstone wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as big if it wasn't F2P from the start, but for a company to keep investing in a product they need to see a profit, and the profit needs to be at least as substantial as they would have gotten from investments elsewhere...
That is just how capitalism works, I don't like it either, but that is the way it is. If it doesn't make money, they aren't going to keep investing in it...
This only matters at high MMR's, the rest of us just concede and try again
Anyone who’s conceding is just playing for fun.
Blizzard doing blizzard things only care about the money money. Would've been okay with the rerolls being able to buy with gold. Honestly as a pure BG player, I have nothing to do with a stack of ingame gold.
I wish they would focus on rebalancing unplayable trash instead of adding more p2w mechanics. This might seem relatively innocuous but it sets a precedent for the future and disincentivizes the devs from balance because, theoretically, having more trash heroes = more stuff to reroll. Idk man it feels like bgs is really on a decline here
I am free to play btw
Them adding the original P2W made me uninstall the game and the Bnet client for a long time. Only came back recently because some of the new things in the game looked fun, but I still don't like that aspect of the game. It sucks that they're making it even worse and I'll see if I care enough to keep playing. They can't just leave well enough alone. They have to find new ways to nickle and dime people with P2W crap.
One of the perpetual problems with the game is how just how many of the heroes suck, either because they're bad or like you said, just boring. The only "fix" they've done to this over the years was the armor system, but that doesn't solve the fun problem. There are still so many sets of 2 heroes I get that are super lame and make me want to just not play that game. To me, the P2W stuff isn't just bad from a competitive standpoint, it's that it creates perverse incentives for the company. You say they need to be extra careful with balance, but where's the incentive to do that or to make more of the heroes fun? They directly profit from people getting fed up enough with the bad heroes that they're willing to pay to solve the problem the company created in the first place.
I'm sorry but this is the ultimate greed.
Imagine playing TFT and they now started charging you to reroll augments!!
I usually buy the season pass just for the extra character choice, but as long as this exists I'm going to vote with my wallet and go free to play.
Greedy and I won't enable it.b
Let me just reroll for gold. I spent like 30k gold on packs i never use because there is no usage for battlegrounds. I have close to 30k gold saved up again.
And i still hate that they took away battle pass for gold. Any advantage for money adds a pay 2 win aspect.
Once people accept garbage like this, they are just going to shove more of it down your throught and then the game becomes just another dogshit p2w game
I aint buying shit lil bro, game is ass even after they started charging money for the pass when it used to be in game gold.
Lol, wasting money on rerolls when you can concede
Small advantage is still advantage you can buy it so Its pay to win so the game its trash ez
How is paying for something == more fun ? In life you work ( which is not fun) to get what you want, how is it paying more fun ? I know that Blizzard tries to monetize the game but paying is not more fun...Is just an advantage you are given to beat people who don't have the advantage...That's practically more fun for you disregarding the lesser people...Does having 4 hero choices or free rerolls give you more fun just because others don't have the option and you can pound them ?
Having more choice is more fun because I am more likely to see heroes I like, regardless of winrate. Shady says as much in the vid. Yes winning is fun but even if all 8 people have the pass, getting a reroll is going to improve my chances at enjoying the lobby because I get to see a minimum of 5 heroes now and hopefully select from among my favorites. Like, I am taking Rafaam 10 times out of 10 if he in a choice for me and this gives me slightly higher odds of seeing him.
or maybe find a job that is fun? my work is fun 😂 it's how you make it for yourself
blizz is famous on killing its own successful games.
guys if they don't monetize, you don't get content. this is fine.
Ah yes, surely Activision blizzard which was bought by Microsoft need to use foul monetisation tactics to survive to spit out 3 mini patches in a month 🤡 Keep coping, re rolling tavern for tokens is next
I need a gold dump for Battlegrounds. 15k gold is a little much, and i don't play constructed
Whatever, it's just a cheap way to get people to buy the battle pass. I wish you would have to pay to play mmr games, get the rif raf out of the fun to play games.
Im fine with this. HS BGs is probably my favorite game, and I dont mind supporting it more.
Looks like a bot lol
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p2w enjoyer detected
@@gyd0k Sorry you lose at hero select
@@vic_torugo I get the next paid WoW mount for 15% off
What's with the unrelated game, it's really distracting.
Close your eyes