How long does it take to get a job self taught? Here's the TRUTH!
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How long did it take you to land your first developer job?
1.2 years start to finish.
56 days
About a year. Took the first job that was offered. Had to move 700 miles away but my job title ends with developer now.
9 months
Will update when I get there XD
Love your honesty, i've been teaching myself to code for about 8 months. 1 hour a day after work, house chiors and taking care of the kids and I'm still far from ready for my first web dev job.
Just starting the same journey. Good luck and keep it up!
Same here. But we should stick on the track
Probably more ready than you think
Same here good luck
I so know that I did Criticized your attitude before, now I'm seeing this video, I do agree with you, exactly. When a person has responsibilities, that can be a single mom, supporting her family and isn't in the best condition to practice several hours a day. But, she still loves to code and still tries to manages her life. Good comment.
Took me 3 years (2005 - 2008).
No bootcamps back then. Just books, internet and an online community of SE pros.
14 years later I'm still in the IT industry.
how much money you're making now??
@Abhishek Patra not enough to brag about lol
you are such a legend!
How many hours a day did you spend on coding? I am spending 5-6 hours a day, every day on freecodecamp. I sincerely hope to be job ready in 1-1,5 year.. alternative would be working for a factory or warehouse...so sad
How old are you ?
I am a self taught dev with ~20 years experience... And I still suffer of impostor syndrome. People think I am highly skilled with my 20 years of experience, but it really depends. I wasn't using 1 specific tech for 20 years and became a god in that tech... but I learned a shitload of techs.. I need to learn new stuff every day and I can't ever say I am extremly skilled in 1 tech, there are often better devs out there if they stick to a specific tech long enough.
My strategy was always: I learn something but only enough to get my job done and move on with my life. If the project needs more attention in the future I will probably learn even more about that used tech. In my experience I create a project in a specific tech.. and after 2 years or so a new tech comes up and I start the new project with the new tech.
I can't remember when I got my first "real" dev job, I started with my own projects for few years (commercial software / webapps), later decided to try fulltime. I probably got lucky and a company hired me quickly.. I sent out only like 5 applications.
I've been programming JavaScript for 2 months but I knew a bit of HTML and CSS beforehand. I've done a lot of projects already and finished portfolio + one vanilla JS portfolio project. Now I'm gonna learn react and create a project with that. Just wanted to say that if you work 8 hours a day on coding, you can get very far very fast.
Too bad I don't have 8 hours a day
@@awesome3285 4 hours can do too
@@awesome3285 there’s 24 hours in a day, if you really want to learn something you’ll have to lose sleep!
Not everyone has 8 hours a day. I have work and family to feed. Most of my learning is after everyone sleeps. I usually sit and code for 2 hours midnight to 2am. I only get about 5-6 hours of sleep. It's physically and mentally draining!
If you have 8 hours a day then be humble and grateful for the time you have.
@@ibrahimal4342 exactly. All these people saying anyone can have 8 hrs a day don't have kids or responsibilities. Some of us work all day and come back drained and have to take care of the kids.
People tend to overestimate what they can achieve in 3 - 6 months and underestimate what they can achieve in 3 - 5 years. If you are not in it for the long haul then you might as well give up now. Another thing is you dont need to remember the syntax of everything - just learn it and know that it exists and can be googled for your specific project. Good luck to all on this journey.
The complete honest and brutal truth is what keeps drawing me to your videos. I'm in the same boat as many of your followers, aspiring self-taught programmers.With so many people out there on RUclips describing their self-taught journey, yours is the one I relate to the best. Keep posting videos man, they really do inspire us.
Don't forget to study. If you can, team up with other people and build together.
Did you get a job after one year just currious bro
What people also need to realize about self-study is that a few months in, you might not realize that it's actually for you. You might not enjoy it at all! And most importantly, that's OK!
True, more people like the idea of it than the reality of it.
And, its ok! as you said. Because hopefully it actually expands their horizon and introduce them to new pathways, some of it are more inline with their passion.
I pretty much scrapped the idea of doing it in a year. Im mid 30's -job, bills,kids the works im just plodding along trying to get a little done most days. JS and atleast a framework are pretty much required in my country so i will be getting comfortable with that for the foreseeable and when i feel confident ive got them down i will apply the worst thing that happens is i get a better pay offer.
@@willnicholson18 That's kinda the new normal isn't it ? especially in America. Insecure jobs and sky high rental prices making sure no one can afford to rent.
One year compare to a 4 years At university, congrats.
You dont learn programming at school, trust me, been there. You learn programming on your own.
I want to share my story. It took me around 3-4 years. I left university and started learning programming as a self taught, but I feared that once I would get a job I wouldn't get enough time to study and learn new things, so I waited and waited and waited. I never looked up for a job until I got a job offer I was not even looking for. But happens that I was long ago ready for the job xD
And after I started working I still learn new stuff every single day, so that was just a stupid fear of mine.
Looking back I would say to me to start looking for a job after half a year or so. I would have learned it so much quicker that way.
But how do you get a job? Without any degree and stuff?
@@user-fj6tv9jm5t Build stuff. Have projects you can show off.
I got a question, how did you got an offer if you didn't look for a job? How did they reached to you?
@@fortznite8150 Thanks for asking. I was doing some RUclips content and the CTO of the company saw my videos and got interested in me. He contacted me through Twitter DM.
Yeah... Teaching is the best way to learn and can also give you a job 😅
@@nicolasparada Now that's an interesting way to get a job
You and my taiwanese girlfriend are pushing me to be a better person. Thanks Dorian, listening you always a pleasure.
Glad I can help!
You're weird for clarifying she's Taiwanese
I’m 2 years in, I started when covid hit. I’ll be honest I’ve maybe done 6 months of study. I keep taking breaks etc. it’s only since December have I been going seriously. I picked up flexbox, grid, box model and am finishing up fundamental JavaScript with ascync, promises etc.. then it’s onto react and I hope to be job ready by March.
how is the progress now? i also seriously started December, although javascript seems to be overwhelming
did you get the a job ?
As a 17 year old, 18 in September I will give a warning for people like me. I have all the time in the world, no school no work, so I can put all the 12 hours I have in a day into learning how to code, but there is a problem if you dedicate all that time in it, burn out. Burn out can happen even while learning, sure you got time to learn but you also need time to be able to digest all that new information. Taking wayyy too much info in your head makes you mentally exhausted no matter what, and I speak from experience. For everybody else like me, pick a time you want to start the lessons and take a break when you feel like you're gonna pass out. I usually do 4 hours per day or more if I can, but if I get too tired and can't concentrate I take a break
I strongly agree with you!!! Burnouts are a real thing, breaks are crucial so that the learning is etched in your mind at the end.
Have you stayed consistent?
Yeah I learnt this burn out lesson too.
I'm 25 years old. It's been 2.5 years without a job for me. I have social anxiety & depression which became crippling due to domestic issues over the past 5 years or so. I know it's exceptional circumstances and I may be an outlier, but how would I explain my employment gap? Is it okay to be honest about mental health in an interview?
I have been learning MERN stack in that time. I have a portfolio with my 2nd big project almost complete.
Edit: I graduated with a BSc in IT in 2017 but didn't know what to do at the time so I just worked in an E-cig/Vape store for 2 years 🤷🏽♂️ it was the best I could do at the time with my anxiety because the shop was small and I didn't work with too many people. Basically it didn't make me feel incapable lol
Don't be honest about yourself on the interview, only as soon as you get the job. Just learn how to give 0 fs about how others think of you, and focus on mastering your craft and you'll be a happier individual and open yourself to opportunities that cater to you. Remember, you live and learn. knowledge is power, skill is value.
Hey buddy, don't know if you'll see this, but the key for all interactions in life is to not give any more than what's needed. If you go to McDonald's you're not gonna tell the cashier a recap of your past 6 months when he asks how you're doing right? Same thing with interviews. If you get asked about the gap on your history, make some shit up! Make it professional and like it was purposeful and sprinkle a bit of the truth in there. "I took some much needed time to reassess priorities while also developing my soft skills in various odd jobs to better prepare myself for a long lasting career"
Or
"During the global pandemic I had a unique opportunity to explore what I wanted to make a career of, having explored options I find myself wanting a stable position where I can polish my craft and start moving forward in this field"
Edit: don't be honest about your mental health, most companies don't care, and if they do its because they're worried you'll be more of a liability than an asset
@@bradleyjones1008 are you from the US? I'm from the UK and in the past few months, the advice I've received was to just be honest. Maybe they try to be a bit more understanding here, I dunno 🤷♂️ I met someone who was out of work for 7 years with Crohn's disease, used to be a Lawyer. His current job is his first after 7 years (since he's been dealing with his health problems). He is now a work coach and helps unemployed people (on benefits, disabled, those struggling mentally etc.) with the job hunt.
Hey discovered your channel by accident, really like your content, awesome stuff! Subbed! (the following is not spam, but is a wall of text)
Thought I'd share my experience and maybe give the other guys here a bit a motivation.
First off let's get something straight, I'm not the most dedicated person, even so I have had periods where I did spent at least 5-7 hours a day studying for a few months then I just crashed, reached a point where I got mentally exhausted and just couldn't go on. Even so I never quit.
I'm not from the US but here where I live it's not that much different from any other place when it comes to this job.
In my 20s I mostly spent my time time on video games, never really knowing what I wanted to do.. didn't even give it much thought.
I have a degree in Public Administration but I mostly use the paper diploma as a makeshift spyglass as a fun way of looking for a new job :'D.
I used to work as a manual tester for both video games and web apps and decided it was not for me.
Going through the exact same web page and clicking the same things over and over is not fun... a few more months of that and I probably would of ended up in a mental institute.
When I started testing web apps I did dabble in a bit of code, nothing too serious, a bit of Selenium, but I went back to manual testing, that was when I found out I liked coding.
I got into programming and web-dev back in 2018.
I did attend 2 bootcamps and yes they were not enough, and hell yes I did have to study a LOT MORE on my own. Even so I admit I still suck, but I can at least get something done.
When I've got into my first job as web-dev (front end) man was I hyped, even had 3 months of training in Angular. When actually started working I did something completely different (HubSpot CMS) with JQuery/HTML/CSS. I'm still wondering to this day why that Angular training was needed. I swear I never even used it and I even forgot how it works, I just remember a bit of TypeScript but that's about it. Long story short is, that first year was brutal. I got fired because I apparently was underperforming, websites were not pixel perfect, and we were supposed to build a HubSpot website in 3 days. I did it them in mostly 4-5 days with overtime. I remember my former boss calling me a 'professionally' lost cause. All of this on minimum wage for half a year.
If I ever see my former boss again I'd probably throw up in disgust. I've been seeing a therapist since :D.
My skill-set revolves around basic front end and I do know a bit of OOP/design patterns but I don't use them.
Don't even use any sort of library. Just basic good ol' procedural JS. (bad practice I know)
I'm studying Vue right now, I really like it and hoping I might get a future job with this. I'm also studying PHP in order to expand my skillset.
So right about now I am working on HubSpot CMS (only tech I feel comfortable), again, though that will soon change :( . My former manager got fired, my other colleagues got fired, only people who knew I was hired as a junior front end dev, and now I'm a solo junior level developer working for 8 marketing asshats that think I'm some sort of Voodoo Wizard. They want to migrate everything from HubSpot to WordPress and want custom functionality built for that. I can honestly say I only know a bit of WordPress, I never even used PHP for a actual job. Whoopty doo, I now have to become a full stack dev in I dunno.. 2/3 months? I will probably get fired since I lack the skills they need. I'm trying believe me, studying as much PHP and WordPress as I can in my free time, but even so I'm not sure I can handle it.
Even so I REFUSE to quit, some people might call me a masochist, but it really is what I want do. I honestly like building stuff, there is a certain magic of seeing something come to life on a webpage.
How is all of this wall of text relevant to the subject is you may ask? It will take A LOT, there is no hiding from that.
I'd say you need at least a year of daily coding to get a bit comfortable. Other than that, it really is up to the individual.
My advice to you guys. DO NOT QUIT. Set your mind to it, set yourself a few objectives , and just do it. Yes you have to like it. Don't think about $$$. That will come in time, but you do have to put in the work.
!Keep at it, I guarantee it's worth it. If you sacrifice nothing, you gain nothing. This is comming from a guy that lost a few strands of hair :D.
Thanks for reading my ginormous wall of text and good luck to you!
Needed to hear it. 29yo. At my 1.5 month mark of learning. Shit happened this week (car stolen/cat converter theft) and I fell off the horse. Decided to watch Marvel Movies all day. Getting back on the horse tomorrow.
Last November I signed up for a coding bootcamp, and your videos have been a great source of inspiration to continue pushing. I just turned 32yo and I kept wondering if I had a future in this world. Thanks a lot and keep it up!
How is it so far?
@@texanboiii562 It's quite different to every other thing I have learned/studied in the past. It's a 12 month program with a 3 hour class monday - thursday. Fridays are for self-study and we sometimes have a master class or conference. Classes can get tough and long with the teacher continously talking and explaining. The only thing I don't like is that you don't have to submit the projects. You just basically follow along and ask questions when in doubt.
@@sebastianmg2 thanks for the feedback. Currently taking a Udemy web development bootcamp course. Seems fairly good. So far I’m able to understand the concepts of html to start off.
How's it gone? Any updates?
Hey man any update?
I've been a hobbyist programmer for 3 years. I'm finding it impossible to get a job so im starting a company instead lmao.
Took me 6 mo. to learn iOS development to the hang of doing projects, get used to Xcode, and shit like that. I never touched mobile before and mobile is an entirely different beast than web dev but getting used to Xcode and knowing how to work it the real challenge. I never had a full time dev job but i do freelancing. Freelancing is tough cuz it depends on the price you charge. Im ok w/ pricing my services "pretty high" cuz the time to research, design, develop, test runs, regardless of the complexity is a lot. I saw some ppl charge, $5, 10, sometimes $25K per project. But tryna find the first ft dev job I bet is hard cuz the competition for jr roles is big. Self taught, CS students, and bootcamp grads going for those same jr dev jobs? 😥
I think to proper question here would be, how long would it take to acquire relevant knowledge that can help you land a beginner programmer job in "the respective code". As some codes are harder to learn than others therefore different demand and pay ranges
I got VERY lucky. Hired in 56 days after learning HTML, CSS, JS and React. That too learnt the basics of them through a kickstart program
Impossibru
@@keylanoslokj1806 😂😂😂
@@keylanoslokj1806 flashbacks to 2013 memes
@@keylanoslokj1806 Massive emphasis on the VERY
What Kickstart program?
Iam a mechanical engineering graduate and unemployed for 2 and a half years and can speak 3 languages, finding a job in today’s world is even harder than it was during the Great Recession of 2008 I can’t even find a part time job hell I can’t even find a job where I can work without being paid and yes I have the most well designed resume and have applied for over 800 companies and got only interviewed for 2 jobs which I got rejected because of my lack of experience despite one of them being an internship.
My advice to anyone who is young is to focus on developing a skill whether it’s programming, learning how to use a certain software, cooking ANYTHING will help you out more than a degree ever will, don’t waste your money and more importantly time to earn one, use that time to further develop yourself.
if you dont find a job with 800 applies your CV must be really bad.
Dont blame the world if your resumee seems bad.
I went jobhunting for 14 days and could choose between 5 spots.
Work on your Resumee.
@@kaanozkuscu5079 two of the interviews i had was one with deloitte the other one was from schlumberger two of the biggest and most competitive companies in the world i guess big companies are attracted to bad CVs jokes aside i paid A LOT of time and money to perfect my CV and had many of my friends who worked on HR to analyze it and make sure its good.
It really depends what year you were graduated in, did you have experience? where did you apply? did you have any connections etc.. there are factors and advantages that you may be having that many of us simply dont.
Where the hell did i blame the world like you claim? My point is that many companies nowadays simply dont want to hire people with no experience and train them from Zero this fact is even more true with all the pandemic BS happening what iam saying is common knowledge entry level jobs are not entry level anymore some of them even require 3-5 years of experience and a simple look at the statistics will prove that iam not the only one who is struggling to get a job, many companies are now removing collage degrees from their qualifications this includes tesla, google and many other big companies valuing actual experience and skills over a degree.
@@نونيم-ي4ح hmm, try one League lower if you are too green behind your ears. No school and cv will help you get a place at the global top 10. In these companies you get only if you know a guy who knows a guy 😉
I had a friend, who was like "I will only work if I make millions" well, he made Jack and I work for the government. Get experience then go big.
i mean, you got SE & CS and sometimes even CE students (grads, grads with intern experience, interns, hell even dropouts with intern experiences, community college grads, bootcamp grads, other degree grades who have tech skills etc) all competing with a "self taught" programmer, its def tough to get a job, nevertheless within 3 months. good luck to those self taught.
often annoys me when people tell me - but bro u can just learn coding on your own instead of being a SE major at a good uni lol
I started applying to software jobs 6 months before I graduated college.
Took me 6 months before I got my first job.
It was rough.
Been a Software developer for 3 years now.
Hello, would it be okay for me to ask you for some advice? I’m happy to pay if you’d like. I want to get junior web job
@@jetbob309 my advice would be apply to 20 different jobs a day. Eventually you'll get one. The first job is always the hardest.
Did u build project before applying or did u just apply and got a job? And do u think it's easier to get job for somebody that went to college/uni or that want to bootcamp or self taught
@@murhejshiha5162 Education / bootcamp will only get you an interview. Everything else is up to you and the company.
@@Zammle are you a frontend? html,css,js and some js framework is enough??
if have 5+ years exp and it took almost 6 months. I did reject some bad offers but it all depends. After learning those basic skills, it can be a numbers game.
Been coding every day for soon 6 months, but don't feel like I'm ready yet to apply for jobs. I've coded or been learning coding for +500h, but there's just so much to learn when you're trying to become a Full-Stack Developer. One thing I've been wondering though, Dorian, if you happen to see this. When did you feel like you were ready to apply for a developer job?
If you haven't found a job yet or haven't even started to look for them, the right time is when you plan for a big project that will showcase all the skills you claim to know and you start applying while building that or if you rather prefer to build it first and then look for jobs to minimize stress, you are free to do so as well. The "big project" doesn't have to solve world hunger, just something personal to you or a simple idea that you add features you think are cool with the technologies you claim to know in your CV.
Currently in the learning phase, but hope to land a dev job soon! Great video.
Keep going buddy
@@cristian-florea-coding Thanks!
10 years ago I tried learning code on a mac. Couldnt understand fucking shit. It was like an alien language for me. Because of my autism and ADHD. My brain hates math with a fiery passion because of that. It became clear to me that I had to give up coding. 3 years later i built by first gaming PC. After 2 courses of IT. I learned my passion for computers. By the time I was almost done with the last semester of senior year. I fell apart because I couldnt grasp networking. And personally being evicted by my stepfather. I realized that my computer skills boil down to buulding shit and installing programs. The only job I could ever have in the tech industry is help desk which is barely above minimum wage. And employees are expendable. My other option is working for a niche computer repair company or pc building company. At the end of the day I'm just a gamer who likes PC building. 6 years later after graduating high school I realized my career path is null and void. Currently in my mid 20's having no clue what i want to do or even if I can with a worthless piece of paper that this country is so obsessed with called a "degree".
I'm going to say.. just code every day with a project in mind. The concepts learn first then keep learning them as you code. But who am I to speak, I have a college degree in computer science. Though I would like to think that what made it fun was playing with what we learned by experimenting on our own. Those taught me more than anything.
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I didn't know I was in the Hub
Took me 14 months and I quit because I didn’t like the office life.
Plus let’s be honest, web dev is boring.
Get a formal education. Your diploma will follow you your whole life unlike certifications.
I was just telling a friend who is interested in this field the same thing. For me, the constant learning is part of the appeal to being a developer. The code I write today, looks a lot different than the code I wrote 14 years ago.
Mine always looked, input, validate, process, output, insert. It is as simple as this. Just make sure it is recursive and a small bit can be plugged in the larger whole seamlessly. Learned this while building radios some 25 years ago. Programming is data plumbing, very similar to water plumbing and electricity plumbing ... no matter what they say ;))).
Not true. If you really want it so bad, you will figure it out.
this man talks all his about the facts that are true .... I Realy Really like Youuu Brooooooooooo Love For Me
I’m looking to do Data Analyst entry level. Any certifications that you would recommend
Took me about a year "part-time". Learned on/off 0-20hrs per week while still employed. I was promoted and had so much workload I stopped learning for about a month. Also had our first child four months before I started learning. Quit my job 3 months in the new position to go all into coding. Applied for a 12 week Web Dev Bootcamp (Bootcamp costs can be covered by your state in Germany if you meet some requirements). Got a job immediately after, but that was a big portion of luck, LinkedIn activity and the willingness to not get paid a lot.
oh maan I can't wait for that check
Literally! Lol
Currently learning to code and it's terrifying how you legit explained my situation at 3:00 🤣🤣 am soo dead! That's literally what i do!, wake up, code, eat, sleep and touch some grass occasionally 🤣, i consider myself very lucky! and also programming isn't absolutely new to me cause i've done a ton of Python and BASH. soo i'm lucky LUCKY!, thanks for a great video. 😊
yeaahh lol is very hard...
The 1 major variable which people will avoid at all coast is IQ, some people will always learn faster than others, but just like the rabbit and the turtle, the winning in the long run depends on focus and discipline.
The hard work and the hours and hours learning when you could've been playing Xbox and drinking beer will out perform those who rely on talent and IQ almost every time.
@@BUGPLAYS Indeed! I know a colleague of mine who scored genius-level IQ, very smart and fast learner, once he learns system he gets bored and never finishes, he never followed through 1 career path, he's still in a loop while I far surpassed him.
@@atlaskaiser9951 I'm like that friend of yours lol not sure if my IQ would be genius level but everything else applies to me. I learn very fast, get bored, and then move on. Keeping myself from doing that with coding is very difficult but... I want this career.
Guy with such an IQ tend to be bored on menial programming tasks. He should be out developing complex research-level algorithms however often infantile in demand.
Honestly. im thinking on going to a bootcamp to fast track my learning, i've been trying the self-teaching route for the past year and i feel i am no further then when i started, i try to study about 2 hours a day and i also have to watch my 2 y/o everyday. It is really hard to self teach when raising 3 kids.
Is your partner with you? Sometimes its easier when you can communicate with that person in letting you a bit more time to practice your craft. For my case, i really had to fight for it and it wasn't easy. It was worth it but it was hard, had a lot to do to make her understand that this is really important for our future.
@@coderonix4501 Hey. Yea we’re together she works right now so I can watch our youngest, I decided to quit my job and be a SAHD for now. I’m really trying to do the self-teaching I just think going to a bootcamp especially with the structure I further my learning and get a job sooner. I’m not saying it would be right after the Bootcamp but maybe closer then self teaching. She understands that it’s for our best interest of the kids. Cuz honestly you need 2 incomes living here in Canada just to survive.
I started with my first online tutorial for web development last 2016 but I was employed in a different industry then. It was only 2020 when I had my first PAID freelancing gig because I focused studying since 2019. It takes focused time, effort, and discipline to actually learn and get a job
Question is not how long it takes to get a job as some job pay $1 an hour. US has high minimum wage if you are a US citizen. Other countries don't this. Goal is landing a with salary that allows you to get a mortgage for an apartment.
If you don't have this you are like an actor who thinks they have a job being an extra in a movie.
I did EDx’s full beginner python course, then realized I knew nothing, so I went to uni. Just finished my first year. I’m talking to a bunch of final year student and they’re constantly being headhunted by local tech companies. It seems crazy not to go do a Bachelors decree if you have the time.
Just watch your video about boot camp. I was going to do a boot camp till I watch your video. Nd u just jump str8 to the point. Ima sub
I just started learning basic programming (yesterday) and you are the first guy that actually made me to start finally (and you came up in recommended videos out of nowhere). I bought some basic programming introduction course (as I am total noob in programming) I find it difficult to choose what programming language should I choose to start learning more serious. I tought about python, but it has a lot of maths, and I am not really good in maths (I dont like maths). Can you recemmend me anything, where to start? Also is codeacademy valid way to learn or should I consider something else?
Thanks, cheers.
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Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts. There are a few things I need to understand about you before dishing out recommendations. I’ll try to hit topics in this post, make recommendations based on each topic and hope one of the things fall in line with your plans/goals. Topic 1: Since you mentioned you’re not good at Maths, I imagine you want to stay away from heavy Maths domains. In this case, my first recommendation is developing in a business domain. Target technologies that don’t rely on heavy Maths solutions. Web development is not heavy math. Start there and pick frontend or backend. Do you love designing visual renditions, does html, css and JavaScript make you excited? Then go with frontend. Or are you excited about writing the application business logic, the code that gives web pages functionality and supplies data to the frontend. Go with backend development. If you go the backend route focus on technologies that you believe will last. It may seem hard to chose such a technology but we can learn from the industries short history. Do you want to work on cutting edge technologies and continually learning new and improved tools? Well, JavaScript is very popular and comes out with new frameworks often. React, Express, Vue.js to name a few. Or do you want to master a something with an already strong eco-system. Try Java. Java will be around for a long time, is updated often to fit modern concepts, and has a strong community. Look into COBOL, a legacy language that runs on a lot of systems that few programmers know, but are highly paid to support. Will this become Java in the next decades? Possibly. So, there are tons of options for you, the best way to go is to keep learning and make a plan. Good luck
Buddy if you're a total noob like I am I'd recommend you start with html and then move to CSS and then JavaScript
You can do python, you don't need super math skills unless you decided to go data scientist or machine learning route. Give Javascript a go if you still aren't comfortable with python, JS alone can do a lot, though you'll need more than that to get a job ofc. Python, Java, or C is recommended mainly because it gets you into learning OOP. Python can be used for Raspberry Pi projects also which can be fun if you like making things.
have you stuck to it?
answer is easy: as soon as you can convince them that you are right for the job. i got jobs waaaay above my skills when i started simply because i was very friendly, energetic, proactive and dynamic on interviews. and when they hire you, you can learn the real deal there from the others.
I got my first job as javascript developer after 18 months of bootcamp and personal growth, i created a big portfolio in github and i tested with many assignments after the interviews. I had more than 200 interviews in a year before the final offer from the company i now work.I never was a pessimistic person but the continued rejections cant ruin the confident. And most important i spent less than 500 euros in courses.
Took me 2 years to get a job but I was able to land an apprenticeship at Microsoft and then get extended a full time offer there.
Self tought , fro
Where u studied
Currently completing a year and already starting to applying for jobs 💯😄
Learning already a year or so even longer. Having 2 young kids, full time job with 2 shifts. Even though I'm motivated sometimes just too tired or distracted to start learning. I still do atleast an hour a day. That is hardly enough to get immersed. It is not easy. Time can be manageable but the mood for learning to code hardly. It is dry and boring on the learning phase with all the syntaxes and all and there are no shortcuts.
Try putting on some lofi music in the background on a really low volume. Just something to keep you mildly entertained but not enough to be distracted. Staring at a screen for long or even short periods of time over and over again doing the same thing can really suck the life out of you.
Don't be like me trying to learn everything THEN quitting after tripping up on interviews. I thought that I had to know everything. I WAS a perfectionist. Now I know better. You don't have to know everything. Now after settling with a trash job I lost during the pandemic, I am jumping back into it. I am seeing things more than I ever did 5 years ago (yes, if I didn't give up I'd probably would have had 3-4 years of experience by now but I am not worried. I don't plan to retire at all.)
Heres my fails that possibly held me back.
#1 Needing to learn 3 different programming languages at once instead of choosing one.
#2 Building the stuff from scratch rather than learning the already built technologies.
#3 Using a lot of time to plan the code, then at the end doing all the work.
#4 Not commenting code.
#5 Looking at my previous code and deleting my github...then having my hdd fall of the desk lol.
(I bought an encrypted hdd for cheaper than the normal one thinking it was a steal. When it fell, I could NOT recover ANYTHING from it...)
#6 Giving up after 10 interviews and not asking questions about what would make me more employable.
I really thought I had to be a master. Now I know better. The time allowed me to remove the idea of being a perfectionist needing everything to be right.
I am expecting it to take 6 months time.... Oh OHHHH OHHH forgot one more thing
#7 THINKING I COULD STAY IN MY HOMETOWN INSTEAD OF MOVING!!!
I had some offers but I had to leave to some places I disagreed with. Now I realize I should have went and then came back to my hometown and reapplied there after getting the experience.
I've been self taugh for about 2 months and managed to land a trainee software engineer job, getting 14 weeks of paid training then they're gonna put me on a project and I'll go from project to project
I think this is very rare and I am very lucky!
nice for what company?
@@bri4498 QA :)
Took me 5 months. I prob averaged 3-4 hours a day over those 5 months. I had no idea what I was doing for 2 years though
A year, year and half is what timeline I gave myself. That doesn't seem long to me compared to going to college for 4 years
I really like how honest you are.
I've been Software Developer for the last 10 years ("Senior" now) and I still feeling myself not good enough to solve some problems I face.
The Same Applies for UX Design. Great Video.
Hey could you comment on what technologies a UX designer should know
@@Rctdcttecededtef Sure. Figma, sketch, InVision, Adobe Illustrator, Photoshop, and Indesign are used the most. There are many other programs and Apps out there, but if looking for a Job in UX, these are it.
@@mr_shen8835 thanks for the tips
@@Rctdcttecededtef Glad to help
I just finished highschool and 10.5 months seems good for me but I'm not in the US so idk if i might even get an online job .
Im learning coding for 2 months now. I have 1 daughter and work full-time. Too overwhelming but even I just code for an hour a day its oky as long as Im consistent and keep the fire burning. But when it comes to aolving problem Im really stupid! It really takes time.
I have teaching my self for almost four years and still haven't got my first job but still fighting and I am sure i will have my chance
jason blaha said he got job in 20days, he bought JS udemy course and got certificate from it by just marking videos as watched and applied for senior dev and got a job for 200k per year all in 20 days.
I'm fullstack web developer with 5 years experience i can't get a remote job i don't know why if you can help me i appreciate this
I am 18yo and wanna go to college outside of my state
I am planning on taking a gap year to learn how to code and get a part time job so I can sustain myself while getting my college degree
What are some tips you would give me and do you think 1 year is enough to land a part time web developer job if I have the whole day?
when it comes to webdev coding is only part of the picture... I sometimes feel frustrated it isnt more of it.. some of it is working in restricted circumstances and being unable to code... and some of it is using bespoke inhouse technologies and also doing seo work... some of it can be quite repetitive and more resembles admin.. to be honest. :)
Realistically speaking it takes around 14 to 20 hour of studying before you understand preciselly how a programming language works and about 50 to 100 hours of practice without tutorials, just using your own notes that YOU TOOK while you where studying, after that you are good to go and you could try your luck at some low level companies or job interviews that offer training and are willing to hire newbs.... otherwise for more advanced companies, do 1 or 2 complex projects by yourself or with a team to put in your resume and talk about with the interviewers. This is not just about programming, but about almost any technical skill there is out there. Study, learn, memorise the tools, throw yourself into the fire and start using your tools, if something breaks, fix it.
I want to build my first website and portfolio.
I want to build my first app and website.
Ive been doing different forms of software development for the better part of 6 years now and I think the most import thing to focus on is the love of the craft and to enjoy the whole process. It is something that takes years of compounding growth just like learning to play the violin or guitar or piano. Don't be in it just for the money, be alive in it and be in the moment, after life is only a collection of moments, and goals are great because of the growth we experienced on our way to them.
i passout diploma in cse its gonna now almost 1.5 years. during this 1.5 years i tried 2 non coding jobs. but i cant i started learning code. i procastinate thats why i m not learning as good as 1 year exp coder learn.but i try everyday to overcome procastinate. its happend when u not doing any job and live all day at home.
Does it take 6 years of intensive learning and alot of courses and voluntary work
Are you full self taught and first developer job with no CS degree?
I started self learning web development last march, and today I've got two simple projects developed from scratch in vanilla JS, still not job ready though, I'm currently learning React and NextJS and looking forward to redevelop the vanilla JS projects as NextJS projects, and then I look forward to apply to jobs
Man I appreciate the authenticity. You are inspiring people to change their lives.
Complete straight forward , truth and no bullcrap
🙄🙄 Am I only who thinks that he looks just like Johnny sins...
You say you were in a fortunate situation where you could spend a lot of time daily studying, sorry if you've said this before, but how many hours per day would you say on average?
At the time I was working 4 days a week at a chill job that allowed me a lot of down time. So while at work I watched videos and read blogs and books. On my days off I spent all my free time at home learning. On average probably 8 to 12 hours a day, some days I would open my laptop in the morning and I would stay on it all day until I fell asleep (16+ hours). If I wasn't on my laptop I was listening, watching or reading things that were related to whatever I was learning that week. It wasn't a healthy approach and I don't recommend it for most people. I get obsessed with things and when I get into something I go all in. Most of my life that energy went to video games, now I focus it on things that will bring me value instead.
The number of hours per day is not as important as consistency every day, maybe taking weekends off to relax. If you can devote 6-8 hours from Monday to Friday and are taking the self-taught route with no previous background, by the end of the third month you should know and be able to apply the basics of HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. Afterwards, ,learn a front-end framework. By the end of the fifth month, assuming you have been building a portfolio of projects, you are ready to start applying to entry-level or junior web developer jobs or to start freelancing for money. Of course you can try freelancing after learning HTML, CSS, and JavaScript - lots of websites require nothing more. Keep in mind communication skills are equally important, maybe more important, than technical skills. Be someone other people want to work with in a team.
@@DorianDevelops I just wanted a vague understanding from someone who has done it, I am in a similar boat, except while im at work I can only listen to audio content. Thank you for the response and all the content it definitely helps keep me motivated its a little tough love-esk and I think thats what were here for.
@@0x007A Thank you for the input as well, I know they say try and not compare yourself to others, but its hard not to haha. Was curious on his personal experience and how mine compared. Currently working my way through FCC JS course, finished the HTML / CSS certs about a week ago. Just gotta keep grinding! GLHF;
Heyy can I get a remote job, while am in School?
Appreciate your honesty. Ive been self-teaching for a year and I'm still far from ready. I have a job and trying to change careers but I don't have all my time for myself.. I know it will be slow but it's about consistency I think.
Do you study frontend or back? wich one do you think is better?
Always remember we must repent of our sins (sin is transgression The Law Of Yahuah The Father in Heaven. The Law are The Books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy). We must repent of our sins and Have Belief On Yahusha The Messiah. HE Died and Rose three days later so that we can be forgiven of our sins!
Come to HIM🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
Never stop learning no matter your age (30, 40, 50, etc). Set realistic goals and execute best you can. I set aside time to code whatever I want from 10p til 12a. It could be a new algorithm, new frameworks or dev ops. No, I don’t do that every day, but do make the time each week. I am a software engineer and coding is just fun. My first job was at a medical lab and while there I was so hyped on learning my boss gave me an IDE for C++ compiler for Xmas. I was in heaven hah and jammed away on it. Nowadays, I am a full stack sr. Web dev.
I'm 48, 2 kids, ft job. My goal is to give this 2 hrs per day and maybe 4 on my off days. We'll see how it works out
That why it's a good thing to start out as a early as possible
a year and 2 month, still learning)) i consider this just as a period of time i NEED to give to myself to become a developer)) and there's no tragedy i didn't make it in 3 month😜😄
When you code everyday, what exactly do you code? I stare at my blank VS Code screen and don't know how to start.
It honestly doesn't matter specifically what. Go through the manual and pick one function or feature at random to play around with. Create TONS of small "things." Make that calculator app, tic tac toe, graphs, buttons that play a sound when you click them, or whatever comes to mind but try to keep it small until you're in the rhythm of just doing SOMETHING. Then perhaps work on something a bit bigger, say over the span of 3 days or a week (with the aim to finish in that time so you don't get scope crept and so you get into the habit of finishing).
Personally I try to do one commit to git daily. Am I 100% on this ritual? No, but being mostly consistent (aka more often doing than not) is the goal anyways, so dont be too hard on yourself if you're not perfect. It's a marathon and not a sprint after all!
@@TGameDev You're right. I took a beginning web programming class about 12 years ago. I could update one of my old homework assignments using HTML5 and CSS3. One of them was a mock travel website. Also I thought about making a website to display my guitars and music equipment.
Yep, that is me. I just finished my college this semester and there are no jobs in sight, if i want to have any chance that isn't a remote job or trainee, i will at least have to travel to another city because the place i live is just dead.
But even so, i don't feel anywhere close to being ready to work right now, many times i stopped training Python to focus on the lectures of the college, and those aren't even that helpful for my profession
for me it took 8 months to get a job as web developer! kept applying everyday and finally got one which was better than all the jobs i had applied haha!
8 months after starting to learn or after you already did the learning process?
@@ShinoMachida I was learning and applying at the same time
Nice video. I'm trying to do it in under a year.
Good to see videos that are not the usual clickbait of learn in 3 months.... Im 30, work a full time job which need overtime from time to time plus have a daughter with autism. I started to teach myself programming in december and I barely have time to study, i have to wake up super early to be able to study. Your channel plus a few other ones had keep me going with motivation. Everyday I feel like quitting, but me wanting to give my family a better life keep me going. Keep doing honest videos👍🏾
Totally got you there, have an autistic non-verbal and 3 other children. You aren't alone! I'm working towards this too, just may take us a little longer but it's fine.
@@Loki_Dokie Hey a little curious how old is your kid with autism, mine is non verbal too but she is only 2. She started therapy a month ago and the progress has been amazing. But I am worried that she grow up and never get to speak fluently.
@@Drakkarius he is 5, runs around spinning stuff, covering his ears and making noises and screaming and laughing lol. We have been working with him and he does well with commands and knows what things are. Everything will be fine :) at this point though sometimes we wonder if he isn't talking yet because his siblings talk too much lol.
We use flash cards and such too. They also sell a tablet with an app on it so they can tell you what they want by picture and such, may get one sometime.
it will take me a few years bc im still in 8th grade
When you say it took you 10 months to learn to code, what exactly do you mean by that? As in how do you know when you've acquired enough knowledge to start applying for jobs?
So basically, it's about learning and making/joining projects to add it into your portfolio. Maybe even do some freelance work, but basically do stuff that can make you better at coding and build up your portfolio?
I've picked up some "freelance" gigs to use on my portfolio and didn't charge and they always fall thru the second I need anything from them to complete the site like product photos, copy, testimonials etc... Thank God I used a website builder to start them both off til they needed real code. Still haven't gotten my 1st job but I won't do free work again.
I am doing it for 30 years now. You never stop learning. And it is still fascinating. If three months of learning is too much, don't pick this job.
I wake up to have 5-7am open for coding. I code at my desk on downtime or watch videos/tutorials. I code at home after kids are sent to bed. I have 3 kids and a full time job.
I've been learning for almost 5 months, im aiming to start applying for jobs within 3-5 months more. So sounds about right.
I wanna do this one project with firebase database and auth and react routing before feeling ready for my first job. I am learning since July 22. Think I will be finishing soon.
did it in 1 month, don't get discouraged.
damn, 19 and at my parents learnt to program and got a job working for like 2 months now it took 2 hard weeks and i got internship then got a job affter
If u are self tought can u get internship
Change my view of you after this video. Thank you brotha
Im 35, hope its not too late for me to learn . I already know html and css but I want to learn java script and python .in order to change career. Thank you for your insight. Stay Gold ✨️