"Clem gives says goodbye to her friend Lilly". The same Lilly that tried to kill her, kidnap her and her friends, and tried to kill her friends? Yeah, I love doing it with my friends! It brings us such fun times!
@@justice_of_RUclips They said they WERE like family, do you really think they’d still be friends after all the crap Lily has put them through? Absolutely not. So no they aren’t friends just because they said that they WERE like family once because that’s the past. I’m not sure if you’ve seen play through of the game but Lily has changed and is evil. One of the options Clem doesn’t hesitate to tell AJ to kill her when they could.
@@angelcakes9125 your logic is shit. It doesn't matter what lilly has put them through, because that's the past. They both don't want to kill each other. So they are friends. Gtfo kid.
Every fucking time dude I made carver wear three bullets before letting kenny beat him like a dog, id do the same with Lilly aj kills her because she's like a villian it's not like AJ is just a murderer I like the kid learning good vs bad moral but i hated that it gets them cast out and not really forgiven till the end and clem almost dies they immediately shun AJ and clem even though they almost got killed cuz of the one crazy kid
Nah, she ain't. And getting AJ to kill her is a wrong decision, because it sents him on a darker path and ruins your friendship with James. (I know he dies otherwises, but still.)
@@Megawapsis it really a "darker" path if its not even wrong, or if he came back from it easily? I dont think its wrong to enjoy killing enemies in order to protect the ones u love, especially in a full blown zombie apocalypse.
@@sir6979 then you are confirmed ugly and your comment is retarded. If you genuinely think anyone would look better than half the characters in this game during a literal apocalypse, you’re coping.
@@SouthAfricanGirl03 , it’s one of the many many reasons on why I always chose to kill Lily in the Series Finale of Telltales Walking Dead because I only do the requests and demands James wants Clementine and AJ to do by letting Tennessee remaining a Walker away from the Boarding School.
If you play season one choosing lily over Kenny early on, she is decent and kind behind her tough shell. Shes probably lost that by now, but clem was right when she says lily wasn't evil before.
Yeah I feel like everything with Carley/doug was just stress building up and then her father being killed by Kenny (and Lee if you so choose) and really if Ben didn’t do what he did both of them would still be in the group and alive
@@stephenperez4476Ben was keeping the bandits from attacking. They only attacked after they found their payment missing. If Ben didn't, they would've attacked anyway, so the stress would still build up, and it's likely deaths would've occurred regardless. I do feel bad for her in season 1, but theres no excuse for trying to shoot Carley or Ben.
@@stephenperez4476 Yeah, I sided with Kenny, but he gets really annoying at certain points. He's a decent person, but his unrelenting hatred of Ben until the argument and his constant yelling at Lilly was unreasonable. I do understand a lot of his anger, though.
@@elementallynx493 he does tend to get incredibly annoying especially if you don’t side with him he gets really rude 💀 I get it he wanted to keep his family safe that I understand but honestly I don’t think duck would’ve lived long and seeing what happened when duck died Katjaa wasn’t living long either lol
I hate Lily for this because she said she was losing a war so she kidnapped children and brainwashed them to fight for them and when Clementine heard that she killed everyone on that ship and she's pissed off because of it. The kids don't even care about the war even Clementine never went back to Richmond because of it and Lilly forced them to
@@vexidozyeah because Carley roasted Lily she won’t let that slide if carley didn’t Roast her maybe she’ll still be alive I’m just saying not trying to defend her and it’s also Ben’s fault because if he told the truth both of them would’ve been still alive
@@imory4492 no blatantly its lily’s fault, it’s not Let’s give eachother percentage of fault, no the person who pulled the trigger when not in need is the person who’ll take full blame
Larry was a ticking time bomb the moment he had that heart attack. Sure, Kenny did it in a rather... hasty way but Larry was gone and the only way he would be coming back would be a Walker. With heart attacks, the chance of survival goes down rapidly. Between 1 and 2 minutes, it goes from 90 to 40 (roughly estimating). Besides, Larry brought it on himself by being angry the whole time
@@Megawaps that's 2 minutes without a defibrillator. And even then, that's when brain damage begins to set in. Larry was dead the second he got that heart attack. There was no way to save him. And even if they did, by some miracle, he would be a massive burden to the groups escape and later on in the motel. Hed need a large supply of meds which would run out quick.
@@hk1371 In the cut content there is a scene where you can take heart pills from the bathroom and later give them to Larry. That's the concept I'm gonna use in my remake, so of you give him the pills and then try to save him, he will survive.
Honestly I'd love a remake of S1. Longer, much more complex (extension of Doug/Carley story for example) and most importantly - two paths. Either siding with Lilly or with Kenny. Would be awesome tbh
Honestly I still don't like Lilly I still think she's not a good person, she was such an ass to everyone for no actual reason. She got pissed at people because they gave their opinions and suggestions to her and she just wouldn't hear it, all she wanted was for people to work the way she wanted and I understand it was because she wanted everyone to survive but going they way she did was not ok. She killed Carly (or Doug depending on who you choose) simply based on an assumption of who stole supplies and petty dislike in Carly's case. Lee is right to leave her on the side of the road if he chooses and then she comes back later, kidnaps children for some fucking war that doesn't involve them, tortures them if they step out of line, makes them fight for them against their will. One of them was even killed during it and once again it was because she wanted to protect people but the way she did it was fucking disgusting. I hold no sympathy for someone like Lilly
I can't completely hate lilly... I guess i just understand her. She's not the same lilly anymore but part of her is still in there, you can see that she still cares about clementine too. No matter how evil a person becomes they're still a person..
Still cares about Clementine😂?! Yeah, like forcing and kidnapping Clem and her friends and adopted son to become child soldiers for a war they don't want to join and is more than ready to kill them if they fight back and try to defend themselves, a very caring woman indeed😂🤪.
I find Lilly’s character so interesting throughout, watching her mental state slowly deteriorate throughout the various episodes. That’s why I leaned more towards her than Kenny in Season 1 (as much as I love the guy, he was reckless, foolhardy and hot-headed). I wanted to help this poor woman, who witnessed her dad’s head get crushed in by Kenny. It was for the right reasons but he was way too quick to resort to that. Unfortunately, helping Lilly did not pan out very well as she would end up leaving either way. But, it’s sad to see her as having little good left in her here but there’s still a tiny bit of her old self left, seen in that clip. In a roundabout way, I’d say Kenny caused all this by not allowing Lee to try and save Larry. What a fool!
It’s true in S1 Lily and the first group in TWD was family only for a short while, though Lily wanted to be more with Lee but he liked Carly and she followed her father’s advise. I never considered her father family. He kept seeing Lee as an event no matter what he does like he’s Jonah Jameson speaking false on Spider-Man
If Lilly just convinced the kids in a way that's not threatening in the forst place, she would've actually had all of them without getting anyone else killed. Like, all she had to do was say she had good shit like food, electricity & water, why tf did she had to threaten them.
If only Ben didn’t help the bandits in the third episode of Season One, none of this would’ve happened. 😐😐 Carley (or Doug) would have been alive still and Lilly would still be with Lee, Clem, Kenny and the others.
To be fair, Ben actually saved the group because they probably would've just attacked them when they go to sleep. Look how easy it was for them to capture them all. Staying would've got them killed eventually. Ben gave them supplies as a deal to back off. Until Lee took the bag, they decided to act.
She isn't wrong, she was screwed over one because of Ben's lie and spent years casted out of the group she had spent so long with. Nothing has ever lasted in the walking dead and Clem knows eventually the school will fall like everything else.
@@TarnishedProductions I mean, that's only one of the possibilities. In the other one she tries to kill Ben, who actually is a traitor, and Doug just gets in the way.
I don't get why people hate Lily. I know she made terrible mistakes but that doesn't make her evil. She's just badly broken. I know someone like her in real life. It just made me feel really bad she ended up that way. I wish I had the power to go back in time to prevent that trauma from happening. Some people don't deserve that type of pain. Clem was right I hope those people really find peace.
For me, it was when I replayed the game and sided with her when we were in the rv. When Lee said he wanted to get Clementine before they headed out, she bolted the moment he stepped out of the vehicle. Even back then, she was all about herself. Maybe it was because her dad died just a little before then, but that doesn't change what she did
As Clem said, Lily was hard, but not evil. When she killed Carley it wasn't with malice either. Lily was loosing her head, and even she herself admits that leaving her behind was the right choice, or that "he must've left me on the road." in case you chose to still keep her in the group. Lily does become a villain in the Final Season. She now justifies cruelty and thrives in it, because she's still a broken person and justifies her actions with the state of the world. I think Lily is one if not the best villain of Telltale's TWD. Unlike Carver we do see why an how she became so cruel, as well as knowing her reasoning with the war going on.
I never valued or considered Lily a friend, she was hypocritical, power hungry, arrogant from the start and it shows she hasn’t changed just embraced them. That’s what killed Carly and I’ll never forgive ger
The same time she was evil I still had a heart for her deep down :( I wish she turned out good and everything she cared so much abt clem when she was little
@@raid--er4083 Yes that's true but she's a pretty generic villain tbh. Her character shifts from broken to a pure evil classic villain kidnapping kids tyranny level of cliche. She was a pretty boring villain and isn't the Lilly I knew from S1. I guess time changes people but still. How could someone like her over Kenny.
@@GRASS191well imo i love lilly as well. she's not the typical classic villain that is just evil for the sake of it. lilly is a complex gray character in my opinion, even though with a hard tough shell, she had some good in her in season 1 until she unfortunately spiraled to madness after her dad died. you can see her mental state slowly deteriorate and she eventually became mentally unstable which is why kinda makes me feel for her, even though she can't be forgiven of what she did. even season 4 lilly, she's definitely way worse than her season 1 self, but you can clearly see lilly have some kind of care towards clementine still. its just sad to how much she drifted away because of how deep she has fallen.
I was always nice to Lilly, in S1 and in S4. In S1 she's actually a nice person, if u get to know her and if u stand with her. It was very sad for me to see, that she is evil in s4 and even being kind to her doesn't help anymore :/
This story wouldve been alot more impactful if instead of Lily, it was CHRISTA who survived. Her and omid were the closest to parents she ever got to have again
The music in the background from the walking dead Season 2 brings so much nostalgia i used to play that so much back in 2014 when i was 12 and it was one of my first games i EVER played on my first IPAD.
The thing is There is a secret if you let Lilly Live Telltale maybe make a Season 5 The Walking dead,but with the other new charachter but still have connection with Lilly. But telltale already Gone,Soo no more Walking dead then.
Pretty sure this was the last chapter to be made and they don't plan on making more. I think their are comics based on clementine after the game takes place.
@@BendyCrates but there still one more plot,if you choose Louis / violet alive, clementine and them Will talk about Survivor near the school with caravan,and i think that's should be a New charachter but is Ends here.
Bruh in my second playthrough ( I let aj light her up originally)I kept shooting and when she said "fuck you clementine" it really felt like a true goodbye and gave so much emotion compared to having the whole Convo with her before she leaves
My playthrough I was not nice to lily at all. Every time I play the walking dead I refuse to be courteous to her she doesn't deserve my sympathy, and when she threatened AJ I wanted lily to die.
I actually liked Lilly in season 1 before she lost her dad and went crazy 😂. I feel like she was a cool character and the triumvirate leadership of her ,Lee and Kenny was a interesting dynamic
IDK personally I couldn't let AJ kill Lilly. Part in-case because I didn't want AJ to think murder was okay (while she was in equal part defenseless) but also because Lilly definitely spared Clementine's life on two (or even more) separate occasions. She even mentions this in the closing dialogue here. I really feel like this scene provides more closure than the alternative. I told Lilly that she was pathetic, and her reaction made me believe she understood that, and had to live with her mistakes. She's a fucking terrible person, but she didn't deserve to die at the hands of AJ.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this sentiment. Her death really sent me jumping with hype! Maybe if Clementine would have done it, it could've been different for you?
@@Rusted_ObsidianNot the person you asked the question to... but I also took the same decision they did and my problem with the alternative was how james said aj would start liking to kill and how he was probably carver's son. If it was clementine with the gun I would've shot her ass off. PS- I'm not the best at english and my comment might have some errors
I understand Lilly and years into the apocalypse alone does something to you psychologically. I can only imagine. I didn’t kill Lilly because I feel that there is more to her than the evil traits they make her have. Also James loved walkers and wanted to be amongst them anyways so I wasn’t sad for him. I do hope Lilly finds peace. I was satisfied the way that ended with her alive.
i have no doubt that Lilly was severely punished (maybe killed) once she returned to The Delta without the boat, horses, her people or any reinforcements.
Replaying season one, lily truly wasn’t evil she was just mean. I sided with Kenny on killing Larry but that was super messed up, no matter not mean her and her dad were.
I've always loved Lilly in 1 season, she always took care of the group first and not just her family (Larry), as it may seem. Unlike Kenny, whom everyone loves. There's a lot to talk about and a lot of facts, but it won't change what characters people around you see. In season 4, Lilly's personality was completely changed, although in episode 2 there were some notes of that old character Lilly, the one who took care of Clem, but in episode 3 and 4 she seemed to be replaced and exposed as a complete b1tch. I'm sad that her character was written by people who are in no way connected with season 1 and this topic with her trasnformation really bothers me. I would like to go to Delta with her, I would like to talk to her normally, hug her, as there was an option in season 2 with Kenny. Such potential.
@@tmm4195 Unforgivable sh1t is Marlon's murder. AJ killed Marlon, but everyone forgave him eventually (I'm sure u did too). But when it comes to Lilly and Carley/Doug, everyone hates her. This is called double standards.
@@VSLl What AJ did was horrible. There is no denying that. I’m not on his side and if you watch playthroughs you can see most people are clearly not on his side in that situation. However, you can’t act like the circumstances were the exact same. Both situations were completely different. The reason AJ killed is at least slightly more understandable. He’s like 5 and grew up only knowing evil. Marlon at one point had a gun on Clem and all AJ thought was that the one person he loved was in danger. He thought shooting Marlon was like shooting a monster trying to hurt them. Not defending what AJ did, but what him and Lilly did were not on the same level. And unlike Lilly, AJ feels bad when he learns that what he did was murder. Lilly has no remorse at all. Plus, it’s not like everyone just forgives AJ right away. They literally kick him out of their group.
@@tmm4195 It was expected that u would begin to justify him by saying that he is small and that he knows nothing. Yeah, apparently Clem didn't teach him not to kill people who AREN'T AIMING at u anymore. In case u haven't forgotten, he kills when Marlon doesn't have a gun in his hands. Lilly apparently didn't regret it and didn't say that she was trying to protect everyone, apparently this is not an indicator that she has remorse. Stop hating her and making up false facts to show how bad she is when AJ literally did the same thing and everyone forgave him.
@@VSLl Nothing I said is justifying what AJ did. I literally said that what he did was wrong, just more understandable. Saying more understandable doesn’t mean I’m justifying it. But stop acting like the circumstances were the same because they weren’t. The only reason I forgave AJ is because he was at least willing to try and atone for what he did wrong and become better, whereas Lilly just got worse. I was literally agreeing with what you were saying about Lilly not being bad in season 1 so I wasn’t hating on her. And saying she doesn’t feel remorse is not a false fact. She literally doesn’t feel sorry for killing Carly. She believes that she did the right thing and only feels sorry we’re about to kick her out of the group. You’re behaving exactly like the Kenny stans do acting like Lilly can do no wrong. I liked her in season 1, but that doesn’t change the fact that what she did to Carly was fucked up. You say I’m justifying what AJ did, but it seems like you’re the one justifying Lilly’s actions by saying “oh well AJ did the same thing.” This honestly has nothing to even do with AJ.
Clem went from having Friends & Family to having enemies, but I think they should have left instead of standing their ground but again they have home after years so IDK what to do if I was in that situation so...
They lost probably 30 people at least and a barge trying to kidnap like 12 teenagers. I feel like those men, women, weapons and barge would’ve been better off fighting in the war
Really needed a fifth season to find out what happened to Christa, Kenny if you leave him at Wellington, and Lilly. Also, AJ dying, and Clem goes on a rampage, darker, evil, not giving a fuck anymore.
Honestly IMO not killing her and sending her back to her home lost, on a raft, and without any troops is worse she is back at ground 0 because she fucked up again EXACTLY like when she killed carly when I left her out in the dust as lee except now by the guardian child of lee
I love how Lily's face expression never changes. She always has a look of regret and sorrow on her face. Goes to show that despite how far she's fallen, she still regreted everyone awful decision she's ever made. Lily one of favorite characters. The fandom try to deem her as evil. But in reality she's a victim of war.
"I know you should write a story about it, call it the parable of lilly" badass line i just saw a clip where shes young and this shit man shes grown up so much in just a few short years shes not even 18 in this season tell me shes worse than ellie cuz i ain buyin it, lillys literally out here talking like "nothing lasts just be my army and die for me if you dont your being a dick to me"
I have a soft spot for S1 characters, and tbh I kinda wished Lily got redemption, she's not even hateable in S1. Out of everyone in the group, she trusted Lee the most and is shown to actually care about Clementine even if its only on brief moments.
Funny how she says: “nothing lasts forever”. When her people will eventually die to something out there, whether they win their war or not. Yet she justifies it all, or tries to, with: they need reinforcements or they die? If she truly didn’t care, she’d leave Clementine, and abandon her people too.
@@MegawapsUm...no it wasn't?? Lol, all Carly did was berate Lilly for harassing Ben, and although Ben deserved it because it WAS him who was stealing the meds to feed bandits, no one actually knew that yet, not even Lilly herself, because she kept flickering between thinking it was Ben, thinking it was Carly, thinking it was both of them, and even thought it was Carly and Lee at some point even though Lee helped her find out why the meds were missing. Lilly clearly was not in the right state of mind when she was harassing all of them, though her intentions were good, and all Carly did was tell her to stop bullying Ben and get the fuck over herself basically. She did not deserve to be suddenly shot in the head, while her back was turned no less, for scolding someone.
@@devillass6025 Yeah, she was not in the right state of mind. And Carley knew that, as well as the fact she had a gun on her. Yet, instead of keep being calm, she decides to humiliate Lilly in front of the entire group and basically say that she's nothing but a little child. She obviously didn't deserved to get killed, but still, insulting a mentally unstable person with a weapon, especially the one who is already hostile towards you is *really* not a smart idea.
@@Megawapsokay??? But your comment doesn't take into consideration she would have still shot someone in that scene because she was not in the right mental state. Just like how Doug also still dies and shares the same fate as Carley. She was going to kill someone in that scene regardless
Lilly is right, she isn’t evil for fighting what she loved. Nobody was hit the methods employed are egregious all the same. What makes this all the more sad, Lilly killed James after being shown mercy. She made a point that altruism and morals gets you killed, as you never want to turn your back to monsters and monstrous people. Clementine sparing her pays that price with the life of a friend. And maybe Lilly has to live with how everything falls apart. How she abandoned her own people and in the end, she’s the one who ends up alone.
"Clem gives says goodbye to her friend Lilly".
The same Lilly that tried to kill her, kidnap her and her friends, and tried to kill her friends?
Yeah, I love doing it with my friends! It brings us such fun times!
They still were friends
@@justice_of_RUclipsNot after what she did, just because people know each other doesn’t make them friends
@@angelcakes9125 yes they are, they are not shooting each other. Like clem and lilly said, they were family
@@justice_of_RUclips They said they WERE like family, do you really think they’d still be friends after all the crap Lily has put them through? Absolutely not. So no they aren’t friends just because they said that they WERE like family once because that’s the past. I’m not sure if you’ve seen play through of the game but Lily has changed and is evil. One of the options Clem doesn’t hesitate to tell AJ to kill her when they could.
@@angelcakes9125 your logic is shit. It doesn't matter what lilly has put them through, because that's the past.
They both don't want to kill each other. So they are friends. Gtfo kid.
"It's not evil to fight for what you love" -The woman who's responsible for a child's tongue being cut out.
😂❤
Says a woman who killed kids.
Who killed kids that were trying to defend themselves againts kidnappers.
I mean, that's determinant.
That shit is not canon
@@justice_of_RUclips doesn't excuse bad writing
I'm happy I told A.J to split her wig. This chick is hopeless.
"SPLIT HER WIG" 💀💀💀
Every fucking time dude I made carver wear three bullets before letting kenny beat him like a dog, id do the same with Lilly aj kills her because she's like a villian it's not like AJ is just a murderer I like the kid learning good vs bad moral but i hated that it gets them cast out and not really forgiven till the end and clem almost dies they immediately shun AJ and clem even though they almost got killed cuz of the one crazy kid
@@williamswain2303 exactly! I agree.
Nah, she ain't. And getting AJ to kill her is a wrong decision, because it sents him on a darker path and ruins your friendship with James. (I know he dies otherwises, but still.)
@@Megawapsis it really a "darker" path if its not even wrong, or if he came back from it easily? I dont think its wrong to enjoy killing enemies in order to protect the ones u love, especially in a full blown zombie apocalypse.
I would also be evil if the game devs made me look like that
You think you’d look better a couple years into a zombie apocalypse my guy?
@@YoRHaCorb yep
@@YoRHaCorb lol I ain’t gonna show my face to some internet stranger 💀
@@sir6979 then you are confirmed ugly and your comment is retarded. If you genuinely think anyone would look better than half the characters in this game during a literal apocalypse, you’re coping.
@@YoRHaCorb lol it’s not that deep. U getting mad over a joke 💀💀
are people forgetting how she just instantly stabbed james in the back after letting her live lmao?
who gives a fck about James
@@SouthAfricanGirl03 , it’s one of the many many reasons on why I always chose to kill Lily in the Series Finale of Telltales Walking Dead because I only do the requests and demands James wants Clementine and AJ to do by letting Tennessee remaining a Walker away from the Boarding School.
Right 💀
She said you kill for what you love even though she killed Mitch & James and she calls that protection.
@@SouthAfricanGirl03 i haven't.
*Lilly will remember that* * Doesn't reappear *
@@osamabinladenssecondgirlfr4241I think they do that to give suspicion to the player that they will still appear later
@@makarkamaev9they've also done that immediately before a character dies
@@SunnyD420 Or in a flashback of an already dead character
a character doesn’t have to be with you to remember it, they can travel their own ways and still look back on what you said.
@@craftybomb823 True
If you play season one choosing lily over Kenny early on, she is decent and kind behind her tough shell. Shes probably lost that by now, but clem was right when she says lily wasn't evil before.
Yeah I feel like everything with Carley/doug was just stress building up and then her father being killed by Kenny (and Lee if you so choose) and really if Ben didn’t do what he did both of them would still be in the group and alive
@@stephenperez4476Ben was keeping the bandits from attacking. They only attacked after they found their payment missing. If Ben didn't, they would've attacked anyway, so the stress would still build up, and it's likely deaths would've occurred regardless. I do feel bad for her in season 1, but theres no excuse for trying to shoot Carley or Ben.
@@elementallynx493 as do I. It was very obvious the stress was getting to her and as much as I love Kenny man was not helping with that stress 💀
@@stephenperez4476 Yeah, I sided with Kenny, but he gets really annoying at certain points. He's a decent person, but his unrelenting hatred of Ben until the argument and his constant yelling at Lilly was unreasonable. I do understand a lot of his anger, though.
@@elementallynx493 he does tend to get incredibly annoying especially if you don’t side with him he gets really rude 💀 I get it he wanted to keep his family safe that I understand but honestly I don’t think duck would’ve lived long and seeing what happened when duck died Katjaa wasn’t living long either lol
“Wait, let her live.”
Lilly: I shall repay this kindness with death of a cool character
I hate Lily for this because she said she was losing a war so she kidnapped children and brainwashed them to fight for them and when Clementine heard that she killed everyone on that ship and she's pissed off because of it. The kids don't even care about the war even Clementine never went back to Richmond because of it and Lilly forced them to
and she took the life lee saved over a pity argument
@@vexidozyeah because Carley roasted Lily she won’t let that slide if carley didn’t Roast her maybe she’ll still be alive I’m just saying not trying to defend her and it’s also Ben’s fault because if he told the truth both of them would’ve been still alive
@@imory4492 no blatantly its lily’s fault, it’s not
Let’s give eachother percentage of fault, no the person who pulled the trigger when not in need is the person who’ll take full blame
@@imory4492if Ben told the truth he’d die Lilly was unhinged at the time.
@@spencerbowden2979 True. If Doug is there instead of Carley, Lilly tries to shoot Ben.
“The worst part of winning war is you see your enemies get younger”
explain?
@@BrazenCF uhh sus? HA AMONGUS! ඞ
I dont get it❓
So true, it hurts.
@@WrathOfGrapesN7 huh?
“…nothing lasts. Not friends. Not love. Not the place you call home. Not even the girl called Clementine. She’s a Tangerine now.” - Lilly
I always think what would’ve happened if Kenny didn’t smash her dads head
It will be possible in my remake
Larry was a ticking time bomb the moment he had that heart attack. Sure, Kenny did it in a rather... hasty way but Larry was gone and the only way he would be coming back would be a Walker.
With heart attacks, the chance of survival goes down rapidly. Between 1 and 2 minutes, it goes from 90 to 40 (roughly estimating).
Besides, Larry brought it on himself by being angry the whole time
@@hk1371 Even 40% is still a normal chance for survival. And he was "dead" for less than 2 minutes.
@@Megawaps that's 2 minutes without a defibrillator. And even then, that's when brain damage begins to set in.
Larry was dead the second he got that heart attack. There was no way to save him. And even if they did, by some miracle, he would be a massive burden to the groups escape and later on in the motel. Hed need a large supply of meds which would run out quick.
@@hk1371 In the cut content there is a scene where you can take heart pills from the bathroom and later give them to Larry. That's the concept I'm gonna use in my remake, so of you give him the pills and then try to save him, he will survive.
You will never catch me saying anything other than "do it, AJ"
🎉 best choice I ever made in proud series
Facts
If a couple of abducted kids makes the difference for her people losing their war then they're already fucked.
“In the end, he was just a soldier thinking he was doing something right” - Master Chief
Lily wasn't a soldier, she was a warlord
The sad thing is, this is the last thing Lilly will hear from clem. I'm sad there are no more games honestly.
Maybe one day if we get lucky
Bruh they confirmed season 5
@@williamswain2303 bruh they did not
@@koklu3 domthebomb on youtube
@@koklu3 lemme guess you didn't know about wolf among us season two ether
I feel like broken Villains are worse than natural born villains
Lilly coming back was such a shock for me when I first played. This game had so many twists and turns
Honestly I'd love a remake of S1. Longer, much more complex (extension of Doug/Carley story for example) and most importantly - two paths. Either siding with Lilly or with Kenny. Would be awesome tbh
Yeas
I always just tell AJ to empty the clip into her😂
Honestly I still don't like Lilly I still think she's not a good person, she was such an ass to everyone for no actual reason. She got pissed at people because they gave their opinions and suggestions to her and she just wouldn't hear it, all she wanted was for people to work the way she wanted and I understand it was because she wanted everyone to survive but going they way she did was not ok. She killed Carly (or Doug depending on who you choose) simply based on an assumption of who stole supplies and petty dislike in Carly's case. Lee is right to leave her on the side of the road if he chooses and then she comes back later, kidnaps children for some fucking war that doesn't involve them, tortures them if they step out of line, makes them fight for them against their will. One of them was even killed during it and once again it was because she wanted to protect people but the way she did it was fucking disgusting. I hold no sympathy for someone like Lilly
She wasn’t an ass to everyone for no reason she’s in a zombie apocalypse pretty sure nobody is exactly happy
@@RickyhoImes theres a line that one shouldn't cross, though. She cant even see that line anymore. She tortured children.
@@hk1371 Yeah I understand end of the world will do that too a mf
@@RickyhoImes didnt do it to Lee, Kenny, Javier, Jesus, Tripp, etc.
@@hk1371 Notice how all of them are daddy
lilly was just as annoying as her dad
Most likely everyone thought Lilly was dead for 8 years
I can't completely hate lilly... I guess i just understand her. She's not the same lilly anymore but part of her is still in there, you can see that she still cares about clementine too. No matter how evil a person becomes they're still a person..
hell nah😭😭 lily is a shit character who will do anything for a sense of power
Still cares about Clementine😂?!
Yeah, like forcing and kidnapping Clem and her friends and adopted son to become child soldiers for a war they don't want to join and is more than ready to kill them if they fight back and try to defend themselves, a very caring woman indeed😂🤪.
@@applessr2590that’s a good character
She did love clementine you can see it in season 1 how much she looked after her it was heartbreaking to see both on different sides
Lmao shes literally acting like hitlar bro watch yourself XD
I like to believe that in the walking dead. Many wouldn’t know what was right or wrong anymore.
*Cutting out an innocent kid’s tongue should obviously be wrong in any circumstance.*
I find Lilly’s character so interesting throughout, watching her mental state slowly deteriorate throughout the various episodes. That’s why I leaned more towards her than Kenny in Season 1 (as much as I love the guy, he was reckless, foolhardy and hot-headed). I wanted to help this poor woman, who witnessed her dad’s head get crushed in by Kenny. It was for the right reasons but he was way too quick to resort to that. Unfortunately, helping Lilly did not pan out very well as she would end up leaving either way. But, it’s sad to see her as having little good left in her here but there’s still a tiny bit of her old self left, seen in that clip. In a roundabout way, I’d say Kenny caused all this by not allowing Lee to try and save Larry. What a fool!
As the Joker said. All it takes is one bad day. And watching her father's head get crushed right before her eyes was Lilly's 'one bad day'.
It was such a tough call bro omg…
"lilly will remember that"
Yeah sure she'll remember that in the last 10 seconds she has left in the game
"The Lily I knew was hard, but never evil."
Carley, who Lily murdered in cold blood: Are you sure?
Seeing aj mag dump lily always puts a smile on my face :)
It’s true in S1 Lily and the first group in TWD was family only for a short while, though Lily wanted to be more with Lee but he liked Carly and she followed her father’s advise.
I never considered her father family. He kept seeing Lee as an event no matter what he does like he’s Jonah Jameson speaking false on Spider-Man
What. Lilly had feeling for lee. Where did you get that from
@@milkyway8962 are you asking why I said Lily liked Lee? It’s not a secret, it’s pretty known in the game
@@sakaiclips how Is it true. I never seen lilly act flirty around Lee
@@milkyway8962Bro its obvious, just like how she act when Lee is Near
It would be crazy if another game came out and lilly was just like Morgan
If Lilly just convinced the kids in a way that's not threatening in the forst place, she would've actually had all of them without getting anyone else killed. Like, all she had to do was say she had good shit like food, electricity & water, why tf did she had to threaten them.
If only Ben didn’t help the bandits in the third episode of Season One, none of this would’ve happened. 😐😐 Carley (or Doug) would have been alive still and Lilly would still be with Lee, Clem, Kenny and the others.
Nah, if Ben wouldn't help the bandits they would attack the group immediately without waiting around, and would most likely kill everyone.
@@Megawaps ur probably right, had Ben not helped those bandits Clem would've died
To be fair, Ben actually saved the group because they probably would've just attacked them when they go to sleep. Look how easy it was for them to capture them all. Staying would've got them killed eventually. Ben gave them supplies as a deal to back off. Until Lee took the bag, they decided to act.
I Never hated lily 😔
She isn't wrong, she was screwed over one because of Ben's lie and spent years casted out of the group she had spent so long with. Nothing has ever lasted in the walking dead and Clem knows eventually the school will fall like everything else.
yeah but she also screwed herself over by murdering Carley without figuring out the truth of the situation. she became unhinged
Because she murdered someone for no reason be it doug or carly she says let's take a vote then just shoots the bitch in the face
@@TarnishedProductions I mean, that's only one of the possibilities. In the other one she tries to kill Ben, who actually is a traitor, and Doug just gets in the way.
@@Megawaps oh true. i usually dont see people save Doug so i forgot how it goes with him being alive
I don't get why people hate Lily. I know she made terrible mistakes but that doesn't make her evil. She's just badly broken. I know someone like her in real life. It just made me feel really bad she ended up that way. I wish I had the power to go back in time to prevent that trauma from happening. Some people don't deserve that type of pain. Clem was right I hope those people really find peace.
For me, it was when I replayed the game and sided with her when we were in the rv. When Lee said he wanted to get Clementine before they headed out, she bolted the moment he stepped out of the vehicle. Even back then, she was all about herself. Maybe it was because her dad died just a little before then, but that doesn't change what she did
As Clem said, Lily was hard, but not evil. When she killed Carley it wasn't with malice either. Lily was loosing her head, and even she herself admits that leaving her behind was the right choice, or that "he must've left me on the road." in case you chose to still keep her in the group.
Lily does become a villain in the Final Season. She now justifies cruelty and thrives in it, because she's still a broken person and justifies her actions with the state of the world.
I think Lily is one if not the best villain of Telltale's TWD. Unlike Carver we do see why an how she became so cruel, as well as knowing her reasoning with the war going on.
@@danielmunoz1275 exactly
I hate Lily because she shot lees girl in the head for the dumbest reason of all time there's no forgiving that
Losing your head doesn't excuse unnecessary murder they were supposed to be I'm it together and she chse to be irrational
Wait, she sounds like Trixie Lulamoon.
I let aj empty the full clip into her
@@osamabinladenssecondgirlfr4241 imagine calling a random guy evil who made his OWN choice in the game and had reasons for that. Really mature
I never valued or considered Lily a friend, she was hypocritical, power hungry, arrogant from the start and it shows she hasn’t changed just embraced them. That’s what killed Carly and I’ll never forgive ger
The same time she was evil I still had a heart for her deep down :( I wish she turned out good and everything she cared so much abt clem when she was little
One of my 3 favourite characters, she will always have a special place in my heart. I got emotional watching this 😢
How tf? Gonna assume lee and clem are the top 2 and say "HOW TF DO YOU PREFER LILLY OVER KENNY. HOW TF IS SHE EVEN PAST TOP 20!?!"
@GRASS191 just because they are evil doesn't mean people can't like them
@@raid--er4083 Yes that's true but she's a pretty generic villain tbh. Her character shifts from broken to a pure evil classic villain kidnapping kids tyranny level of cliche. She was a pretty boring villain and isn't the Lilly I knew from S1. I guess time changes people but still. How could someone like her over Kenny.
@@GRASS191well imo i love lilly as well. she's not the typical classic villain that is just evil for the sake of it. lilly is a complex gray character in my opinion, even though with a hard tough shell, she had some good in her in season 1 until she unfortunately spiraled to madness after her dad died. you can see her mental state slowly deteriorate and she eventually became mentally unstable which is why kinda makes me feel for her, even though she can't be forgiven of what she did.
even season 4 lilly, she's definitely way worse than her season 1 self, but you can clearly see lilly have some kind of care towards clementine still. its just sad to how much she drifted away because of how deep she has fallen.
I was always nice to Lilly, in S1 and in S4. In S1 she's actually a nice person, if u get to know her and if u stand with her. It was very sad for me to see, that she is evil in s4 and even being kind to her doesn't help anymore :/
Lily will remember that.
This story wouldve been alot more impactful if instead of Lily, it was CHRISTA who survived. Her and omid were the closest to parents she ever got to have again
The music in the background from the walking dead Season 2 brings so much nostalgia i used to play that so much back in 2014 when i was 12 and it was one of my first games i EVER played on my first IPAD.
The thing is
There is a secret if you let Lilly Live
Telltale maybe make a Season 5 The Walking dead,but with the other new charachter but still have connection with Lilly.
But telltale already Gone,Soo no more Walking dead then.
Pretty sure this was the last chapter to be made and they don't plan on making more. I think their are comics based on clementine after the game takes place.
Telltale is back
@@BendyCrates but there still one more plot,if you choose Louis / violet alive, clementine and them Will talk about Survivor near the school with caravan,and i think that's should be a New charachter but is Ends here.
@@itz_naze yep Telltale Games is back and it is returning with The wolf Among us 2
@@ZeroRedz Wait REALY?! Can you tell where did you saw this please?
Im still mad she killed carley i still hold a grudge
Ay with you there carley and Lee would've had a great relationship but Lily had to screw it up
Can't wait for The Expanse: A Telltale Series.
She should have said "then why fight for it" when Lilly said that nothing lasts
Bruh in my second playthrough ( I let aj light her up originally)I kept shooting and when she said "fuck you clementine" it really felt like a true goodbye and gave so much emotion compared to having the whole Convo with her before she leaves
It's not Lily's fault. She turned out this way. She lost the only person she loved in the world her father
My playthrough I was not nice to lily at all. Every time I play the walking dead I refuse to be courteous to her she doesn't deserve my sympathy, and when she threatened AJ I wanted lily to die.
The people you love, the places you love, the limbs you love
I wish they did something better with lily's character tbh
Good channel bro
@@TGAllyOfEnemies ty
Wasn't she originally supposed to be Lily from the comics who shoots lori?
@@Gobbostopper yeah
I know 😢😢😢😢
I actually liked Lilly in season 1 before she lost her dad and went crazy 😂. I feel like she was a cool character and the triumvirate leadership of her ,Lee and Kenny was a interesting dynamic
Unpopular opinion but this scene is why I chose to spare Lilly. It's so good, and at least James doesn't betray you when he's dead
Technically she wasent evil until her dad died and everyone suddenly went against her
IDK personally I couldn't let AJ kill Lilly. Part in-case because I didn't want AJ to think murder was okay (while she was in equal part defenseless) but also because Lilly definitely spared Clementine's life on two (or even more) separate occasions. She even mentions this in the closing dialogue here. I really feel like this scene provides more closure than the alternative. I told Lilly that she was pathetic, and her reaction made me believe she understood that, and had to live with her mistakes. She's a fucking terrible person, but she didn't deserve to die at the hands of AJ.
I wholeheartedly disagree with this sentiment. Her death really sent me jumping with hype! Maybe if Clementine would have done it, it could've been different for you?
@@Rusted_ObsidianNot the person you asked the question to... but I also took the same decision they did and my problem with the alternative was how james said aj would start liking to kill and how he was probably carver's son. If it was clementine with the gun I would've shot her ass off.
PS- I'm not the best at english and my comment might have some errors
That Bad but not Evil line took me out, Lilly literally shoots the person Lee chooses to save. And Clem saw that.
Liliana being a fucking woman the entire game as always.
Telling AJ to shoot her is not a choice. It’s a canon event
Telltale should have a game for lily how she survive and everything
I understand Lilly and years into the apocalypse alone does something to you psychologically. I can only imagine. I didn’t kill Lilly because I feel that there is more to her than the evil traits they make her have. Also James loved walkers and wanted to be amongst them anyways so I wasn’t sad for him.
I do hope Lilly finds peace. I was satisfied the way that ended with her alive.
i have no doubt that Lilly was severely punished (maybe killed) once she returned to The Delta without the boat, horses, her people or any reinforcements.
Replaying season one, lily truly wasn’t evil she was just mean. I sided with Kenny on killing Larry but that was super messed up, no matter not mean her and her dad were.
Nah couldn't be me. Save James and deal with his anger later😔 the things I do for my faves
Nothing lasts. Not friends, not love, not the place you call home!”
I feel her pain… poor Lily
Poor Louis😅
Lilly: Let's Both just turn arou-
Clementine: **Quickdraw's her Bow and give her a Headshot**
I've always loved Lilly in 1 season, she always took care of the group first and not just her family (Larry), as it may seem. Unlike Kenny, whom everyone loves. There's a lot to talk about and a lot of facts, but it won't change what characters people around you see. In season 4, Lilly's personality was completely changed, although in episode 2 there were some notes of that old character Lilly, the one who took care of Clem, but in episode 3 and 4 she seemed to be replaced and exposed as a complete b1tch. I'm sad that her character was written by people who are in no way connected with season 1 and this topic with her trasnformation really bothers me. I would like to go to Delta with her, I would like to talk to her normally, hug her, as there was an option in season 2 with Kenny. Such potential.
I agree she wasn't that bad in season 1. At least until she shot Carly. That was some unforgivable shit
@@tmm4195 Unforgivable sh1t is Marlon's murder. AJ killed Marlon, but everyone forgave him eventually (I'm sure u did too). But when it comes to Lilly and Carley/Doug, everyone hates her. This is called double standards.
@@VSLl What AJ did was horrible. There is no denying that. I’m not on his side and if you watch playthroughs you can see most people are clearly not on his side in that situation. However, you can’t act like the circumstances were the exact same. Both situations were completely different. The reason AJ killed is at least slightly more understandable. He’s like 5 and grew up only knowing evil. Marlon at one point had a gun on Clem and all AJ thought was that the one person he loved was in danger. He thought shooting Marlon was like shooting a monster trying to hurt them. Not defending what AJ did, but what him and Lilly did were not on the same level. And unlike Lilly, AJ feels bad when he learns that what he did was murder. Lilly has no remorse at all. Plus, it’s not like everyone just forgives AJ right away. They literally kick him out of their group.
@@tmm4195 It was expected that u would begin to justify him by saying that he is small and that he knows nothing. Yeah, apparently Clem didn't teach him not to kill people who AREN'T AIMING at u anymore. In case u haven't forgotten, he kills when Marlon doesn't have a gun in his hands. Lilly apparently didn't regret it and didn't say that she was trying to protect everyone, apparently this is not an indicator that she has remorse. Stop hating her and making up false facts to show how bad she is when AJ literally did the same thing and everyone forgave him.
@@VSLl Nothing I said is justifying what AJ did. I literally said that what he did was wrong, just more understandable. Saying more understandable doesn’t mean I’m justifying it. But stop acting like the circumstances were the same because they weren’t. The only reason I forgave AJ is because he was at least willing to try and atone for what he did wrong and become better, whereas Lilly just got worse. I was literally agreeing with what you were saying about Lilly not being bad in season 1 so I wasn’t hating on her. And saying she doesn’t feel remorse is not a false fact. She literally doesn’t feel sorry for killing Carly. She believes that she did the right thing and only feels sorry we’re about to kick her out of the group. You’re behaving exactly like the Kenny stans do acting like Lilly can do no wrong. I liked her in season 1, but that doesn’t change the fact that what she did to Carly was fucked up. You say I’m justifying what AJ did, but it seems like you’re the one justifying Lilly’s actions by saying “oh well AJ did the same thing.” This honestly has nothing to even do with AJ.
Never thought she was evil?
Girl, she stole the RV and left yall to die!
Clem went from having Friends & Family to having enemies, but I think they should have left instead of standing their ground but again they have home after years so IDK what to do if I was in that situation so...
They lost probably 30 people at least and a barge trying to kidnap like 12 teenagers. I feel like those men, women, weapons and barge would’ve been better off fighting in the war
Clem Has Grown And Matured Into A Wonderful Young Woman And A Wonderful Adoptive Mom To AJ, I Am So Proud Of Her
Makes me we wonder what Larry thinks of Lilly after all this I wonder if Larry forgived Lee for helping him and Lily
Larry will always be an a**whole and will always hate lee even when lee is in heavens 😂😂😂😂
Wasn’t it implied the people lily was at war with was Javier’s people?
man too bad lee and clemmy didnt get a chance to make their own class when lee said that.
Me habria gustado que Kenny se reencontrase con Lilly , habria sido una buena batalla .
This music😭😭🥺🥺
Lilly injailing people, torturing kids and so on i would call that evil.
I consider there to be more powerful than Clasorry's words instead of "I hope you find peace" would be "I hope you find redemption."
I doubt she'll be able to find peace without finding redemption first.
One thing I don’t get about this scene is when clementine talks without yelling and how Lilly can even hear her lol
The parable of Lilly🤣
Really needed a fifth season to find out what happened to Christa, Kenny if you leave him at Wellington, and Lilly. Also, AJ dying, and Clem goes on a rampage, darker, evil, not giving a fuck anymore.
Ngl this feels better than making AJ kill her
Nah
@@eze9599right? Between Carly and the Erickson school kids? She had to get bodied, ON PRINCIPLE
Brooo this game ❤️ 💔
Honestly IMO not killing her and sending her back to her home lost, on a raft, and without any troops is worse she is back at ground 0 because she fucked up again EXACTLY like when she killed carly when I left her out in the dust as lee except now by the guardian child of lee
I love how Lily's face expression never changes. She always has a look of regret and sorrow on her face. Goes to show that despite how far she's fallen, she still regreted everyone awful decision she's ever made.
Lily one of favorite characters. The fandom try to deem her as evil. But in reality she's a victim of war.
Too be fair it's her fault her people will have less people to fight the war. She sent her whole crew to their deaths in trying to take these kids
Lee would be proud of clem
Lilly was such a great friend. 😑😑
🤭
I always killed Lily to save James, even if he hated me for it. I like James
"I know you should write a story about it, call it the parable of lilly" badass line i just saw a clip where shes young and this shit man shes grown up so much in just a few short years shes not even 18 in this season tell me shes worse than ellie cuz i ain buyin it, lillys literally out here talking like "nothing lasts just be my army and die for me if you dont your being a dick to me"
Ben is responsible for all the trouble he caused
I have a soft spot for S1 characters, and tbh I kinda wished Lily got redemption, she's not even hateable in S1. Out of everyone in the group, she trusted Lee the most and is shown to actually care about Clementine even if its only on brief moments.
That's not her friend lmfao, that's the monster that crippled her boyfriend and killed her friend.
Funny how she says: “nothing lasts forever”. When her people will eventually die to something out there, whether they win their war or not. Yet she justifies it all, or tries to, with: they need reinforcements or they die? If she truly didn’t care, she’d leave Clementine, and abandon her people too.
Tbh I wish lily was on our side
I like it better when clem just tells aj to shoot lily earlier. Lily was always evil. She murdered Carly in cold blood.
@Tara Allen Oh God, that would be worse.
Drama in a zombie apocalypse, just what we need.
I mean, that was also Carley's fault. Kinda.
@@MegawapsUm...no it wasn't?? Lol, all Carly did was berate Lilly for harassing Ben, and although Ben deserved it because it WAS him who was stealing the meds to feed bandits, no one actually knew that yet, not even Lilly herself, because she kept flickering between thinking it was Ben, thinking it was Carly, thinking it was both of them, and even thought it was Carly and Lee at some point even though Lee helped her find out why the meds were missing.
Lilly clearly was not in the right state of mind when she was harassing all of them, though her intentions were good, and all Carly did was tell her to stop bullying Ben and get the fuck over herself basically. She did not deserve to be suddenly shot in the head, while her back was turned no less, for scolding someone.
@@devillass6025 Yeah, she was not in the right state of mind. And Carley knew that, as well as the fact she had a gun on her. Yet, instead of keep being calm, she decides to humiliate Lilly in front of the entire group and basically say that she's nothing but a little child. She obviously didn't deserved to get killed, but still, insulting a mentally unstable person with a weapon, especially the one who is already hostile towards you is *really* not a smart idea.
@@Megawapsokay??? But your comment doesn't take into consideration she would have still shot someone in that scene because she was not in the right mental state. Just like how Doug also still dies and shares the same fate as Carley. She was going to kill someone in that scene regardless
Lilly is right, she isn’t evil for fighting what she loved. Nobody was hit the methods employed are egregious all the same.
What makes this all the more sad, Lilly killed James after being shown mercy. She made a point that altruism and morals gets you killed, as you never want to turn your back to monsters and monstrous people.
Clementine sparing her pays that price with the life of a friend. And maybe Lilly has to live with how everything falls apart. How she abandoned her own people and in the end, she’s the one who ends up alone.
She cut a man's tongue out that's fucking evil