What a lovely movie, I really enjoy these old videos. Good old VHS and a superior quality of commenting. Now as an old fart I enjoy stuff that is left being as it was. No tinkering, just good old TV. Thanks Buddy
There's something very relaxing about 'em isn't there? Yes the AV isn't as high quality but it's like your favorite homemade stew enjoyed on a cold but cozy evening.
It's unfortunate that the lack of crowd control and flimsy Lancias ruined group B. It's truly an amazing spectacle to behold. I wish I could have seen it in person but it was before my time. Still I enjoy watching these old tapes and these truly heroic drivers taming such mad machinery.
I was lucky enough to start watching it in 1984. The same year I started watching F1. I was gutted when Group B ended, although it was the right decision. It was a victim of it's own success.
Hello, dear friends. Like you, I have been involved in rallies for most of my life. I compared the different periods of time, some of which I experienced directly myself. My time as a rally enthusiast began in 1984, at the age of eleven years. And I was living at the north-western part of lower austria, where the Semperit-Rallye took place. So I had the great luck to see the old-styled competition cars like the Escorts or Asconas as well as Walter Röhrl and Christian Geistdörfer with the extremely powerful works Audi Sport Quattro S1. The matter is: The fastest vehicles in group B where too over-powered and too technically exhausted. At the other side, the group A cars and group N cars had been too boring. But also in some cases extremely strong and expensive, as you could see it especially on the Lancia Integrale. I think that both the excesses of Group B and the blandness of Group A as the highest class have done a lot of damage to rallying. With the first generation of World Rally Cars (starting in 1997), things were moving in the right direction again - principially. Unfortunately, the rallies were shortened too much and separated between gravel and asphalt. This has resulted in another very expensive, upgraded generation of rally cars. But at least the vehicles were very safe. The problem with today's top sports rallies is that there are too few competitors (only Hyundai and Toyota, and a few Ford with M-Sport). This is because the regulations are only suitable for very few car manufacturers. The rallies should also become longer and more demanding again. In general, I would like to see more competition with more different types of vehicles.
@Night Owl Rally I did finish drawing the prototype, then moved on to making it online on a 3d model and finished that, but now have a foxbody that I spend 99% of my time on, the jetta is just sitting for now.
53:55 Tony Pond telling him "sorry it had to happen to you. it had to happen to somebody, I'm sorry it was you" made my eternal respect for him go even higher R.I.P. Tony
It is pretty boring to watch now; the top cars are robotic; while spectating on the recent Ulster Rally I was conscious of the fact that the cars just appeared to be steered around sharp corners. The real entertainment is further down the field amongst all the old RWD stuff. While marshaling in the 80s local rallies would havea very varied bunch of home grown machinery.
59:33 The accident in Corsica could've been avoided had the Lancia management pulled their heads out of their rear-ends, Henri was sick and didn't want to race. Lancia told him if he pulled out he wouldn't get any pay.
@@RightisRight-pt2qj He was sick, yeah, and he was still complaining of a neck injury (which was extremely common during GrB). Or it could've been that something in his neck finally gave and made him lose control... Either way we lost a great man and a good driver senselessly all because of one man's ego (Cesare Fiorio)
Bsing comment : as far as we know Toivonen was perfectly healthy so there was no concern about. The fake news that he did not want to race is only fake news reported by web "experts" of rally and the disgusting lie that Lancia management wouldn't have payed him is only a DISGUSTING LIE !!
@@nightowlrallythe fake news that Toivonen was not healthy or he had a necksore or any kinda else of illness handed down by web "experts" of rally is ,and forever will stay, FAKE NEWS, otherwise said GARBAGE ! The disgusting lie that Lancia wouldn't have him payed if he pulled off is, and forever will stay, a DISGUSTING LIE !! 🤮 Typical attitude by keyboard lions of socials, so typical...
Ford never made 200 RS200, what they did is get the assessors into one plant to view a certain amount of car's then for the next day view they shipped them to the second plant to get through homologation .
You're not wrong. Part of the homologation inspection is verifying stamped chassis numbers and registration. The idea that Ford would even attempt such a fraud is just daft. @@Andyc351
Yea I keep thinking maybe I need to move with the times but I can't help but think this was just so much better in every way. I loved watching these old rally events and try to watch the new ones but it's not the same
@@Will_14_years_ago Of course it is not the same. It's really important to accept that things are changing over time. But it should not happen in a way that the quality of the sport sinks completely to the bottom. In detail: That there are only three car brands that are competing for overall wins. And in the other cathegories of cars like Rally2 or Rally4 it is almost the same. There are several reasons why the trend has gone so strongly in this direction. The numerous company mergers, especially those affecting the automobile industry, which means that there are fewer independent companies than before and therefore less competition, are one of them. Nevertheless, I can imagine that it would be possible to create the conditions for the use of more different types of cars. The technical rules could be made a little more open so that more different manufacturers would be interested in participating. Or private teams could also use the offer. It could also help a little to give the GT cars a little more horsepower and thus increase the participation incentive for such cars. Unfortunately, I often have the feeling that certain groups of people do not want more competition in the World Rally Championship. The fact that the rallies today are much shorter, as it used to be in former times, and not so much demanding in terms of driving also points in this direction for me. Probably the only way to change this is for rally fans to turn their backs on the World Rally Championship in large numbers. And instead to support competitions with an original character such as the Roger Albert Clark Rally. Or to independently create a completely new format of rally events that retains the old, attractive features. What do other people who like rallies say about this? Or does anybody have some other ideas what to do could be a better solution? I would be very interested to get knowledge of this...🙂
ALl this cars were amazing. But the article about the crash in Portugal is wrong. True reason was a flat and the car crashed . Not there was a wall of people infront of the car. On those times all was diferent , yes , and on those times there were lots of interest around the countrys to havethe rally. There were many kills in other countrys , and they were never news. There was one in Portugal (the only one with so many fatals) and it was a world news. Corsiga had many fatals and Monte Carlo also. THe spetactors they were all wild , in every country. It was diferent times. It was the best rally in the world (it was know like that) But there were many countrys without a rally ... you will be the best judge for that. For Ford was perfect to retire from the rally .....many interests were around
What he meant was, the RS200 rallye car was build out of the 200 production cars each manufacturer had to build for Group B homologation. At that time when the RS200 had it´s debut, Audi and Peugeot had already evolution rallye cars (Audi S1 Evo2, Peugeot 205 T16 Evo2). Ford also planned to make the RS200 more competitive with a evolution modell. But that never happened, because Group B died after Corsica 1986.
It was but 200 cars were never produced, it seems they got away with less than 50 by clever shuffling them around at inspections. The car wasn’t up to the standard required anyway when it came out it just didn’t work well enough. Bit like the 6R4, that had the power but it was too short and wide compared to the 205 T16. I was watching rally during all the 1980’s. Spectator safety was only ever an issue abroad. There were never problems in UK because the stages were properly marshalled! Nobody was ever allowed to stand on the outside of a corner anywhere. The Lancia Stratos was a beast of a car but very twitchy the Delta was good but, by the time it was winning Audi and Peugeot weren’t really competing at top spec. Quattro wasn’t that special until the S1 appeared, you could her it miles away in the night. Michele Mouton could really throw one around. I even remember Carlos Sainz senior debuting in RAC rally in a pink XR4!
@@stevenmoran4060agreed. We never had any problems with the crowd here in Britain at the RAC Rally. Some of the crowds in other countries were so close to the cars driving past, I'm surprised that there wasn't more incidents like the one in Portugal in 1986.
The era of Big Daddy's? Really?.. Line any of the Subaru or Mitsubishi's up next to the 205 Turbo 16 Evo 2, the Sport Quattro E2 or the Delta S4 and see how many rally fans pick the Subaru or Mitsubishi over the Grp B monsters?.. I'd wager very few, if any. Not taking anything away from the Grp A and WRC Subaru and Mitsubishi cars over the years - they created some really close, exciting rallying. But Grp B was an incredible time to live through and experience. We'll never see anything like it again.
What a lovely movie, I really enjoy these old videos. Good old VHS and a superior quality of commenting.
Now as an old fart I enjoy stuff that is left being as it was. No tinkering, just good old TV. Thanks Buddy
There's something very relaxing about 'em isn't there? Yes the AV isn't as high quality but it's like your favorite homemade stew enjoyed on a cold but cozy evening.
It's unfortunate that the lack of crowd control and flimsy Lancias ruined group B. It's truly an amazing spectacle to behold. I wish I could have seen it in person but it was before my time. Still I enjoy watching these old tapes and these truly heroic drivers taming such mad machinery.
"Flimsy Lancias"?? Yea they won more rally races back to back because they are flimsy.....AND YOU ARE FACKEN IDIOT.
Group B and Group C were fated to doom, they were getting massive popular so the FIA has to kill it to protect their golden baby, F1
They were two of the catalysts. Behind the scenes Ecclestone and the FIA wanted Group B banned because it had become more popular than F1.
I was lucky enough to start watching it in 1984. The same year I started watching F1. I was gutted when Group B ended, although it was the right decision. It was a victim of it's own success.
Hello, dear friends.
Like you, I have been involved in rallies for most of my life. I compared the different periods of time, some of which I experienced directly myself. My time as a rally enthusiast began in 1984, at the age of eleven years. And I was living at the north-western part of lower austria, where the Semperit-Rallye took place. So I had the great luck to see the old-styled competition cars like the Escorts or Asconas as well as Walter Röhrl and Christian Geistdörfer with the extremely powerful works Audi Sport Quattro S1.
The matter is: The fastest vehicles in group B where too over-powered and too technically exhausted. At the other side, the group A cars and group N cars had been too boring. But also in some cases extremely strong and expensive, as you could see it especially on the Lancia Integrale.
I think that both the excesses of Group B and the blandness of Group A as the highest class have done a lot of damage to rallying. With the first generation of World Rally Cars (starting in 1997), things were moving in the right direction again - principially. Unfortunately, the rallies were shortened too much and separated between gravel and asphalt. This has resulted in another very expensive, upgraded generation of rally cars. But at least the vehicles were very safe.
The problem with today's top sports rallies is that there are too few competitors (only Hyundai and Toyota, and a few Ford with M-Sport). This is because the regulations are only suitable for very few car manufacturers. The rallies should also become longer and more demanding again. In general, I would like to see more competition with more different types of vehicles.
Rainy night here, time for old school rally video🍻✌
From a time before bullshit. Love this era of motorsport.
Group C on the track, Group B off it.
Thanks for uploading a part of rally history ✌️❤️
Currently listening to this while drawing my own rally wrap for my 1987 jetta❤
Did you ever get it finished? :D
@Night Owl Rally I did finish drawing the prototype, then moved on to making it online on a 3d model and finished that, but now have a foxbody that I spend 99% of my time on, the jetta is just sitting for now.
The phrase "Group B Monsters" will never not put a smile on my face.
These drivers had balls of steel!!!!. Amazing driving!!! Go AUDI///Sport
53:55 Tony Pond telling him "sorry it had to happen to you. it had to happen to somebody, I'm sorry it was you" made my eternal respect for him go even higher
R.I.P. Tony
Even among the other gentleman drivers, Mr. Pond stood out. Plus he had the best mustache in rally (Juha Kankkunen a close second).
@@nightowlrallyHe shared it with his friend, Nigel Mansell.
@@liverush24they shared it. One wore it 1 week, then the other wore it the following week.......
😂😂
@@mrkipling2201 And Ian Rush wore it in the '86 Cup Final.
respect to real rally drivers....b group era was the real man rally competition..just raw power and it was the era of rally heroes
It is pretty boring to watch now; the top cars are robotic; while spectating on the recent Ulster Rally I was conscious of the fact that the cars just appeared to be steered around sharp corners. The real entertainment is further down the field amongst all the old RWD stuff. While marshaling in the 80s local rallies would havea very varied bunch of home grown machinery.
@@jefftodd621*counter-steered, I would’ve thought
Michelle
Thank you for upload this very nice Video. Top top top...
Great documentary I had on VHS! Thanks for posting!
Still got the tape and others too :-D
I loved this time !!! That never will come back... 😪😪😪
A lovely car coming together.
Hope you had a bit of a rest over the weekend .👍🏻
My favorite years of rallying
Brilliant thankyou for upload
59:33 The accident in Corsica could've been avoided had the Lancia management pulled their heads out of their rear-ends, Henri was sick and didn't want to race. Lancia told him if he pulled out he wouldn't get any pay.
We all know Toivonen had seizures i honestly believe he had one brought on by the fever, he never hit the breaks at all. Legend!
@@RightisRight-pt2qj He was sick, yeah, and he was still complaining of a neck injury (which was extremely common during GrB). Or it could've been that something in his neck finally gave and made him lose control... Either way we lost a great man and a good driver senselessly all because of one man's ego (Cesare Fiorio)
@@nightowlrally2 great men since the co-driver died aswell
Bsing comment : as far as we know Toivonen was perfectly healthy so there was no concern about. The fake news that he did not want to race is only fake news reported by web "experts" of rally and the disgusting lie that Lancia management wouldn't have payed him is only a DISGUSTING LIE !!
@@nightowlrallythe fake news that Toivonen was not healthy or he had a necksore or any kinda else of illness handed down by web "experts" of rally is ,and forever will stay, FAKE NEWS, otherwise said GARBAGE ! The disgusting lie that Lancia wouldn't have him payed if he pulled off is, and forever will stay, a DISGUSTING LIE !! 🤮 Typical attitude by keyboard lions of socials, so typical...
Golden age of Rallying.
Şahane bir video olmuş. Ellerine sağlık. Yarış keşmekeşinin arasında bizlere verdiğin kıymetli bilgileri hiç unutmam. Neredeyse 40 yıl olmuş. 👏👏👏
In the 80s, ESPN used to show the Rallys Live.
When cable was worth paying for.
Amazing video. Thank you.
Great review.
Superb!
"it would matter not that Vatinen would later fall 80ft down a bank in a violent accident" - Most Vatinen thing ever.
Drive it in a lake!
Group B old school❤
the only moment in history where B means power and monsters
Grade B monsters ripping apart both championships and people
RIP Henkka 🇫🇮
Ford never made 200 RS200, what they did is get the assessors into one plant to view a certain amount of car's then for the next day view they shipped them to the second plant to get through homologation .
myth
You're not wrong. Part of the homologation inspection is verifying stamped chassis numbers and registration. The idea that Ford would even attempt such a fraud is just daft. @@Andyc351
All cars look the same now
Yea I keep thinking maybe I need to move with the times but I can't help but think this was just so much better in every way. I loved watching these old rally events and try to watch the new ones but it's not the same
@@Will_14_years_ago
Of course it is not the same.
It's really important to accept that things are changing over time. But it should not happen in a way that the quality of the sport sinks completely to the bottom. In detail: That there are only three car brands that are competing for overall wins. And in the other cathegories of cars like Rally2 or Rally4 it is almost the same.
There are several reasons why the trend has gone so strongly in this direction. The numerous company mergers, especially those affecting the automobile industry, which means that there are fewer independent companies than before and therefore less competition, are one of them.
Nevertheless, I can imagine that it would be possible to create the conditions for the use of more different types of cars. The technical rules could be made a little more open so that more different manufacturers would be interested in participating. Or private teams could also use the offer. It could also help a little to give the GT cars a little more horsepower and thus increase the participation incentive for such cars.
Unfortunately, I often have the feeling that certain groups of people do not want more competition in the World Rally Championship.
The fact that the rallies today are much shorter, as it used to be in former times, and not so much demanding in terms of driving also points in this direction for me.
Probably the only way to change this is for rally fans to turn their backs on the World Rally Championship in large numbers. And instead to support competitions with an original character such as the Roger Albert Clark Rally. Or to independently create a completely new format of rally events that retains the old, attractive features.
What do other people who like rallies say about this? Or does anybody have some other ideas what to do could be a better solution? I would be very interested to get knowledge of this...🙂
The best vehicles ever also the best looking woman @ 2:13, where did it all go wrong
Best vehicle and girl these days are from Japan and Korea
Golden era!
Sin música, sin locución, o sea, excelente.
Los autos son mejor musica de todos modos :]
Exactly 😉👍💪. Musik on rally video😠🖕
We build and rebuild.....
24:52 Audi mechanic created later on the Gumpert Apollo
Avant et après....et pendant le groupe B😍😍😍
ALl this cars were amazing. But the article about the crash in Portugal is wrong. True reason was a flat and the car crashed . Not there was a wall of people infront of the car. On those times all was diferent , yes , and on those times there were lots of interest around the countrys to havethe rally. There were many kills in other countrys , and they were never news. There was one in Portugal (the only one with so many fatals) and it was a world news. Corsiga had many fatals and Monte Carlo also. THe spetactors they were all wild , in every country. It was diferent times. It was the best rally in the world (it was know like that) But there were many countrys without a rally ... you will be the best judge for that. For Ford was perfect to retire from the rally .....many interests were around
I feel bad for the spectators families. For the spectators,i feel nothin. If ur stupid enough to play in traffic,guess what...u mite get ran over
Seems the full version that was 2hrs was taken down for copyright, anyone know where I could find the full version?
What happened around the minute mark?? It skips from post toivonen accident to 1989 group A
La meilleure des deux l évolution 2 ca c est une bomb mécanique pur souche frenchy cars
Rallying has never been like 80's :(
But…but…impreza so cool
37:39 THAT COMPUTER ........wowowowowow... 🙃
Its ashame the 190e never made it out on the track with the rwd cars. Would have been a winner. Awd really ruined the sport.
In Rally Groub B only one name is over all...
cool
Hi buddy
✌️🤠🌀🌐
Anyone know what the theme music is please ??
you probably mean this one :) ruclips.net/video/me_5RzXDdNE/видео.html , kinda bad for my taste, but who am I to judge, right?! njoy :)
@@hedlik Thanks for the link, I've got all these videos on VHS and the music is ace, thank-you kindly :-)
Darude "sandstorm"
@@boodeywawiaw8879 classic lol
26:52 - Bob Foster - Hope
45:12 - Curtis Schwartz - Final Countdown
He said the ford S 200 was a production car not an evolution car like everyone else!!,,,, ahhhh bullshit
What he meant was, the RS200 rallye car was build out of the 200 production cars each manufacturer had to build for Group B homologation. At that time when the RS200 had it´s debut, Audi and Peugeot had already evolution rallye cars (Audi S1 Evo2, Peugeot 205 T16 Evo2). Ford also planned to make the RS200 more competitive with a evolution modell. But that never happened, because Group B died after Corsica 1986.
Homologation
It was but 200 cars were never produced, it seems they got away with less than 50 by clever shuffling them around at inspections.
The car wasn’t up to the standard required anyway when it came out it just didn’t work well enough. Bit like the 6R4, that had the power but it was too short and wide compared to the 205 T16. I was watching rally during all the 1980’s.
Spectator safety was only ever an issue abroad. There were never problems in UK because the stages were properly marshalled! Nobody was ever allowed to stand on the outside of a corner anywhere.
The Lancia Stratos was a beast of a car but very twitchy the Delta was good but, by the time it was winning Audi and Peugeot weren’t really competing at top spec.
Quattro wasn’t that special until the S1 appeared, you could her it miles away in the night. Michele Mouton could really throw one around.
I even remember Carlos Sainz senior debuting in RAC rally in a pink XR4!
@@stevenmoran4060 some memories, huh….? 🙏🙏🙏
Group B respect, forever.
@@stevenmoran4060agreed. We never had any problems with the crowd here in Britain at the RAC Rally. Some of the crowds in other countries were so close to the cars driving past, I'm surprised that there wasn't more incidents like the one in Portugal in 1986.
Kako ga cepas jbt
No Subaru or Mitsubishi. This was the era of big daddy’s
I think Mitsubishi was in it too?
The era of Big Daddy's? Really?.. Line any of the Subaru or Mitsubishi's up next to the 205 Turbo 16 Evo 2, the Sport Quattro E2 or the Delta S4 and see how many rally fans pick the Subaru or Mitsubishi over the Grp B monsters?.. I'd wager very few, if any.
Not taking anything away from the Grp A and WRC Subaru and Mitsubishi cars over the years - they created some really close, exciting rallying. But Grp B was an incredible time to live through and experience. We'll never see anything like it again.
The era of Great Rally before the age of big geisha's subaru & mitsubishi. Think about the difference if you can...
Acting as if the Safari Rally never existed