That last scene in the office with Bullock negotiating with the Earp brothers to leave and telling Johnny he isn't going to see Swearengen, along with Utter punching the clown in the cell is one of my favorite scenes from the entire series.
@@Apoitras From many accounts they were nothing grand to many locales. There were a LOT of shady dealings among those brothers in Dodge City, Tombstone, throughout Texas and elsewhere besides.
@@GooseyGoose12 the popular legend of the Earp's being benovolent lawmen bringing order to the lawless frontier, is largely due to Wyatt's relentless self promotion. In actuality, they were often as bad, if not worse than the criminals they arrested. Karl Karsada of InrangeTV did a youtube video on the confrontation between the Earps and the "cow-boys" in Tombstone, and it largely depicts the Earps in a dim light.
joel simms + mere a second 👊 shut up. Yep,he was one of my favorite characters on the show. Treated whores like ladies. That's a gentleman but he was a B A for sure.
I love how careful they were to stay as close to the historical as could be made fitting (and interesting). It is established that the Earps did take that long journey to Deadwood to inquire about getting law work or whatever else they could in the newly prosperous camp of Deadwood. It is also established that Seth Bullock did have some trouble directly or indirectly with their presence there and did advise that they get out of Dodge quick and with haste soon after they came. Whether that was due to his own fair or not mark of them or some other trouble that did jump off, I think this telling is judicious if it isn't exactly accurate.
I like the Earps, but they were known to dabble in criminal activity, if anything they would've been good Swearingen men. Seth on the other hand has gone down in history as being of high moral character for the times. He and the Earps wouldn't have lasted long as partners.
One of the things I remember being told about Wyatt Earp was that he fancied the whores. Dought he was as level headed as Seth. Seems to me that swearigan had respect for Seth for that reason. That's why he called him out for "spending time" with the widow. He was getting distracted. P.S. I watched this intire series not knowing how historically accurate it is. Watching it again in a whole new light.
@@thomasromano9321 The Earps were literal scumbags who didn't seem to understand due process. In tombstone, he just wanted to stamp out competition (the Clanton gang) nothing more.
Most of the time, a man's honor was all he had in those days. Whether they were up to mischeif or not, Wyatt was offended by what he thought was Seth's implication that he and Morgan might be up to no good, maybe even outlawry. Hope that helps.
You're right. Wyatt Earp still might have been one guy Seth Bullock wouldn't want to grab by the ear. Morgan Earp was depicted pretty accurately. He was known to have a quick temper. Seth Bullock was pretty good at judging a man's character, in which men were bullies and could be grabbed and cowed, but he sensed that wouldn't be the case with the Earps.
@@thomasromano9321 spot on the acting in this scene is fantastic,the three of them all react the same way seth in fact could be another brother so alike are they in their physical reactions to possible danger whatever side of the law they were on they were men of the same breed as seth realises.good post.
@@thomasromano9321 Wyatt was the last person you'd want to grab by the ear. Wyatt said he wasn't great with a firearm, but he was one tough hombre and a killer. Seth may well have gotten his ass handed to him.
David Milch had said they had to use modern day slang in place of actual period slang of the time otherwise everyone would sound like Yosemite Sam. Phrases like "Gol-Durn" and "Tootin" were considered cuss words in the 1870's.
@@pjg19751I heard blaspheming were the most common cuss words back then (damn, hell, goddamn) but I’m glad they modernized the cussing because it makes the dialogue so much better.
@@BumMcFluff I read that it's probably similar for saying "buddy" or "brother" but in a condescending way in this context. Like if I came and said nice shoes "big guy", but you knew it was an insult. The Pinkerton was making fun of the Earps for shoveling shit for a living, but "hiram" is a person of high authority. You were on the right track, but the guy is basically calling Morgan the king OF shit, which isn't much.The term was also used in season 1 but in an endearing sort of way.
No, he showed him reason… Wyatt knew where Bullock was coming from and considered his warning as a courtesy. It’d been a mess if they went after each other or Earps after Hearst. It was like a mutual understanding among them.
He is probably the most badass of all the American badass' that have ever been glorified. Hence why you have heard so little exaggeration about him. All the others were happy to sell the rights to their stories to be embellished and plain made up but his were never for sale although if you want to dig very hard you can go look up his deeds in the official records of the day. You just never read about him in a dime novel.
Sheriff in those days in that place? Shit man, he was undoubtedly the toughest and meanest sob alive. Had to be. Just think about all the shitheads he probably had to deal with, all the bandits, the wildlife, the Indians in the area, an area that had no law of any kind. Bullock was likely a legendary badass considering all the shit he dealt with and still coming out on top.
He was the real deal, I was surprised to find that a good portion of the events portrayed in the show actually did happen. Such as Bullock standing down a lynch mob so he could hang his prisoner under color of law.
Yeah, no, not really. Not at all in fact. Deadwood had some of the best writing ever heard on a TV show. Astounding. Milch is a genius. It's a shame you seem to be so offended by it that it's all you can hear.
It takes a few watchings to fully understand the beauty of the old-timey language syntax mixed with modern profanity. I wouldn't change it for anything! It's one of the things that made this show unique.
I've never heard any society anywhere use f@$@k as much as is present in these dialogues. I think it's over the top and doesn't add to the themes at all. It's meaningless after awhile.
beav1962 I produced a punk rock group one time and they said f&@$k but the way and when made an impact and it was just a bye word or bad habit. I didn’t like punk rock but I loved them.
Have any of the societys your familiar with been lawless.mining towns populated by criminals, frontiersmen, and other hard.living rough and tumble types? I mean how do you think a guy like Al Swearengen would talk to his underlings, patrons, and/or business associates or rivals, men like Dan Dougherty or Cy Tolliver?
"No. That seems never to go..."
Great delivery. ♥
That last scene in the office with Bullock negotiating with the Earp brothers to leave and telling Johnny he isn't going to see Swearengen, along with Utter punching the clown in the cell is one of my favorite scenes from the entire series.
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A very different and interesting take on the Earps. Love this show.
Very believable, The Earps were nothing grand to the people of Deadwood circa 1873.
@@Apoitras From many accounts they were nothing grand to many locales. There were a LOT of shady dealings among those brothers in Dodge City, Tombstone, throughout Texas and elsewhere besides.
@@CoryBlissitte the Earp's were mainly lawmen because it financially benefitted them.
@@CoryBlissitte Yes even rumour of them robbing stage coaches, and putting the blame on others
@@GooseyGoose12 the popular legend of the Earp's being benovolent lawmen bringing order to the lawless frontier, is largely due to Wyatt's relentless self promotion. In actuality, they were often as bad, if not worse than the criminals they arrested. Karl Karsada of InrangeTV did a youtube video on the confrontation between the Earps and the "cow-boys" in Tombstone, and it largely depicts the Earps in a dim light.
“Yer fuckin’ under arrest!”😁👍
I loved Charlie. Took appropriate actions when needed.
joel simms + mere a second 👊 shut up. Yep,he was one of my favorite characters on the show. Treated whores like ladies. That's a gentleman but he was a B A for sure.
@@GodInTheMachine I like when he went to Hearst's room late at night and told him to to watching his fucking mouth next time they cross paths. Lmfao.
Mere a second. 👊 shut up. Loved Charlie Utter.
History records Wyatt Earp staying in Deadwood for a winter, making his living selling fire wood.
Selling pecker poles.
Yes, this helps a lot. Thank you!
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The lack of music was never as important to me until this show. That way, music had infinitely more impact when it came on.
wow thanks for explaining stimulatory economy, we would never have figured that out
@@rickdeckard1075 Go to Hell
@@rickdeckard1075You can stop leaving fΔgg¥ comments now.
Wyatt and Bullock seem to be cut from the same cloth
I love how careful they were to stay as close to the historical as could be made fitting (and interesting). It is established that the Earps did take that long journey to Deadwood to inquire about getting law work or whatever else they could in the newly prosperous camp of Deadwood. It is also established that Seth Bullock did have some trouble directly or indirectly with their presence there and did advise that they get out of Dodge quick and with haste soon after they came. Whether that was due to his own fair or not mark of them or some other trouble that did jump off, I think this telling is judicious if it isn't exactly accurate.
In a way, too bad the Earps didn't become Bullock's deputies. Would have been far more effective than Colorado Charlie Utter.
I like the Earps, but they were known to dabble in criminal activity, if anything they would've been good Swearingen men. Seth on the other hand has gone down in history as being of high moral character for the times. He and the Earps wouldn't have lasted long as partners.
@@thomasromano9321 Na, Charlie was damn good as Bullock's sidekick. Seth could depend on him.
One of the things I remember being told about Wyatt Earp was that he fancied the whores. Dought he was as level headed as Seth. Seems to me that swearigan had respect for Seth for that reason. That's why he called him out for "spending time" with the widow. He was getting distracted.
P.S. I watched this intire series not knowing how historically accurate it is. Watching it again in a whole new light.
@@thomasromano9321 The Earps were literal scumbags who didn't seem to understand due process. In tombstone, he just wanted to stamp out competition (the Clanton gang) nothing more.
GALE HAROLD the love of my life and timothy orphan another nice man.
Wish the Earps and Bullock went Tombstone on those Pinkertons
Nobody went "Tombstone" on the Pinkertons. They were assassins for the wealthiest.
@@oldsagerat "Wish".
The James-Younger gang did on their home turf of southern Missouri.
Most of the time, a man's honor was all he had in those days. Whether they were up to mischeif or not, Wyatt was offended by what he thought was Seth's implication that he and Morgan might be up to no good, maybe even outlawry. Hope that helps.
You're right. Wyatt Earp still might have been one guy Seth Bullock wouldn't want to grab by the ear. Morgan Earp was depicted pretty accurately. He was known to have a quick temper.
Seth Bullock was pretty good at judging a man's character, in which men were bullies and could be grabbed and cowed, but he sensed that wouldn't be the case with the Earps.
@@thomasromano9321 spot on the acting in this scene is fantastic,the three of them all react the same way seth in fact could be another brother so alike are they in their physical reactions to possible danger whatever side of the law they were on they were men of the same breed as seth realises.good post.
Mike Dukes *Mischief, Past Self. 😉
@@thomasromano9321 Wyatt was the last person you'd want to grab by the ear. Wyatt said he wasn't great with a firearm, but he was one tough hombre and a killer. Seth may well have gotten his ass handed to him.
@@jamesdunn9714 You notice Bullock didn't try taking Earp by the ear. I think he realized that.
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Lol, what lesson did he learn there? 🤣
Did they really use phrases like “fuckhead”? Seems a little too early for that to be in the vernacular.
David Milch had said they had to use modern day slang in place of actual period slang of the time otherwise everyone would sound like Yosemite Sam. Phrases like "Gol-Durn" and "Tootin" were considered cuss words in the 1870's.
@@pjg19751I heard blaspheming were the most common cuss words back then (damn, hell, goddamn) but I’m glad they modernized the cussing because it makes the dialogue so much better.
Why was that guy morgan earp shot calling him highrum?
I think it was Hiram. Which was either a 'you look Jewish' slur or 'you think you're king shit' insult. Depends on who you ask.
@@BumMcFluff I read that it's probably similar for saying "buddy" or "brother" but in a condescending way in this context. Like if I came and said nice shoes "big guy", but you knew it was an insult. The Pinkerton was making fun of the Earps for shoveling shit for a living, but "hiram" is a person of high authority. You were on the right track, but the guy is basically calling Morgan the king OF shit, which isn't much.The term was also used in season 1 but in an endearing sort of way.
@@in_vas_por8810 Thanks for that. It's nice to have a pleasant exchange on a forum for a change.
@@BumMcFluff The feeling is mutual. Take care my friend.
I thought Hiram was a German name. Germans at this time were seen as the equivilant of Irish, not good
Did Seth just mug off wyatt Earp lol
No, he showed him reason… Wyatt knew where Bullock was coming from and considered his warning as a courtesy. It’d been a mess if they went after each other or Earps after Hearst. It was like a mutual understanding among them.
was seth really a bad ass or does this show make him look like one?
He most certainly was a bad ass.
He is probably the most badass of all the American badass' that have ever been glorified. Hence why you have heard so little exaggeration about him. All the others were happy to sell the rights to their stories to be embellished and plain made up but his were never for sale although if you want to dig very hard you can go look up his deeds in the official records of the day. You just never read about him in a dime novel.
Sheriff in those days in that place? Shit man, he was undoubtedly the toughest and meanest sob alive. Had to be. Just think about all the shitheads he probably had to deal with, all the bandits, the wildlife, the Indians in the area, an area that had no law of any kind. Bullock was likely a legendary badass considering all the shit he dealt with and still coming out on top.
Teddy Roosevelt has said "Seth Bullock is a true Westerner, the finest type of frontiersman."
So yeah, he was a fucking Badass
He was the real deal, I was surprised to find that a good portion of the events portrayed in the show actually did happen. Such as Bullock standing down a lynch mob so he could hang his prisoner under color of law.
Remove the F word in all its variations and there's nothing left.
Bleep bleep bleep bleep.....etc.
Yeah, no, not really. Not at all in fact. Deadwood had some of the best writing ever heard on a TV show. Astounding. Milch is a genius. It's a shame you seem to be so offended by it that it's all you can hear.
Snurt Groolan: "offended" isn't the word. More like TEDIOUS.
It takes a few watchings to fully understand the beauty of the old-timey language syntax mixed with modern profanity. I wouldn't change it for anything! It's one of the things that made this show unique.
The Aleman It's not old language, nobody said it that many times in a sentence of at all, even in Deadwoid.
Snurt Groolan I'm not offended at, it's just unrealistic for them to spit that out in every sentence, it's silly.
I've never heard any society anywhere use f@$@k as much as is present in these dialogues. I think it's over the top and doesn't add to the themes at all. It's meaningless after awhile.
"heck n' tarnation!" doesn't carry quite the same weight
Mike No it doesn’t at and constant berate of fuck makes a person numb and it becomes meaningless and just vulgar chaff.
I agree. And I also agree that the slang of the day does not hold the same weight. I would think they could have tried to interlace the two together.
beav1962 I produced a punk rock group one time and they said f&@$k but the way and when made an impact and it was just a bye word or bad habit. I didn’t like punk rock but I loved them.
Have any of the societys your familiar with been lawless.mining towns populated by criminals, frontiersmen, and other hard.living rough and tumble types? I mean how do you think a guy like Al Swearengen would talk to his underlings, patrons, and/or business associates or rivals, men like Dan Dougherty or Cy Tolliver?