The funny thing is that I have a Browning BPS 10ga 3½" Magnum with 30" vent rib barrel and Xtra Full choke, Mossberg 835 12ga 3½" Magnum with 28" Vent rib barrel and Turkey choke, Browning 2000 12ga 3" Magnum with 30" Full Choke vent rib barrel and a Browning A-5 12ga 2¾" 30" Full choke vent rib barrel. I find myself rocking the 2¾" 12ga more than the Magnum's because I get more kills for cheaper cost and less pain in the shoulder. I even bought a 20ga for small game and been really enjoying it.
After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
Thanks guys. I have an sX4 so this was cool. I'd like to see some bismuth patterns with 4 or 5 shot. Maybe some steel 3 shot too? It would also be sweet to compare the Carlson Cremator to the Carlson Delta choke. Thanks gentlemen
How about some 3" Kent Fasteel 2.0 #4 shot from each choke? I've used nothing but the Kicks for the last 4 years and I'm strongly considering a move to the Carlson Cremator.
The thing you have to look at though is the kicks is . 705 while the Carlson is . 700 at least for the Mobil threads others varry on constriction but the kicks runs a slightly wider pattern but makes it more versatile
Do this test with Carlson and kicks mid range. My experience shows the long range chokes are a waste of money. I get better long range patterns with the mid ranges. Good video!
I’m the opposite on my gun. I get better patterns mid range using the long range, and the long range still does good long range too. I’m running Carlsons Cremator LR on a Stoeger M3500.
I have a question, I have a SBE3 12 gauge and I have always used modified or improved cylinder for geese. This might sound like a dumb question, but how does the choke not blow up a barrel? Especially the long range chokes? And also which choke tube would you recommend for a SBE3 12 gauge?
Hey Mike, each choke manufacture has different requirements for shot size on their chokes. However, I shoot a Carlson Ported Cremator choke either mid range or long range for geese and ducks. That specific choke for my gun has no shot size requirements I believe. That means in that specific choke I can shoot whatever I want through it without any issues. That would be the choke I recommend looking into. Their are many different options out their to choose from though. I know Will likes his Kicks highflyer choke which is a very popular choke for waterfowl loads as well. Hope this helps!
Your gun needs to be on a rest so their are no hunter error. Kool video but I didn’t learn anything about this. And try it on shoot n see targets and shot twice at each target to get your grouping right that’s my tip of the day for you…
Hey buddy, you shouldn't shoot a wad controlling shell with the cremator it has a TST technology that gradually constrict the passage on 3 steps, that's what tge manufacturer says.
Meaning don't shoot black cloud out of this choke. Manufacturers design their Black Cloud chokes to accommodate the flite control wad. Carlson makes a specific choke for Black Cloud. Other manufacturers do too, and most of them say the exit hole is a slightly smaller constriction on their Black Cloud specific chokes. Do your research to avoid wasting your cash, folks.
That’s false. They changed the wads. The old black clouds yes. There is literally a video of federal employees doing a review shooting them outta kicks HF Full, Mod, and IC.
@@WhisperingWild 30 inch circle with a aiming point in the middle. Shoot your target at any given range you want. Count the total number of hits within the circle and divide the total into the total of pellets that are in the shell. 75 to 80% is really good. You are also looking for about 2.5 lbs of energy per pellet at least for the range you are shooting. You should shoot off a rest to help with accuracy. Each load should be shot 3 times at the range you want to pattern it with. Above all you are looking for uniform patterns in the circle with little or no blank spots. There you have it.
Pattering at 50 yards is stupid looks like you are trying to promote sky busting if you can’t call a duck within 30 yards you don’t need to out there . If you want shoot at 50 yards go to a sporting clays range then you will find out how good you really are.
Haha not at all buddy. Just trying to pattern our guns and understand how they operate at those distances. No difference than practicing shooting your bow at 65 yards when in a real hunting situation shooting under 35 yard at an animal.
Buddy 50 yards is pushing it but it’s still reasonable if your running a good tight choke… i feel like your just mad because you can only hit ducks 20 yards or closer😂
I would not go to the river with a shotgun that wouldn't kill a duck at fifty yards. It's too easy to misjudge range over open water and if your gun is up to the task it's no big deal. If you don't shoot past 35 yards patterning your shotgun is a waste of ammo. With very few exceptions any choke will do at those ranges. Just because someone don't hunt like you do don't make them stupid. I've been shooting ducks for more than fifty years and I've seen many days that if I had limited my shots to thirty yards I would go home empty handed. As far as cripples go that's why I bring a dog. My dogs are good enough that if I put the duck down they're in the bag unless they crawl into a beaver hole. As far as shooting at fifty yards often people hit ducks over the decoys that hit the water crippled at fifty or even sixty yards. If you want to finish them off you better not be shooting imp cyl. Shooting is supposed to be fun,even if you learn something you don't plan on using.
If-if, if u can’t caww a duck wiffin furty yards *_sniff sniff,_* then u, then u shouldn’t be out verrr, u-uhh, u, u stupid head! WEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
The funny thing is that I have a Browning BPS 10ga 3½" Magnum with 30" vent rib barrel and Xtra Full choke, Mossberg 835 12ga 3½" Magnum with 28" Vent rib barrel and Turkey choke, Browning 2000 12ga 3" Magnum with 30" Full Choke vent rib barrel and a Browning A-5 12ga 2¾" 30" Full choke vent rib barrel. I find myself rocking the 2¾" 12ga more than the Magnum's because I get more kills for cheaper cost and less pain in the shoulder. I even bought a 20ga for small game and been really enjoying it.
After sighting in at 60 feet, I could easily cover 5 shots with a nickel ruclips.net/user/postUgkxQt2uORDRfFOVSrO4idv4B90ThT6EOnEL ! Truly a pleasure to shoot! Scope was easy to adjust for eye relief. Only problem the varmints must have seen it delivered lol!Update: So impressed with shot groups at 30 yards I purchased a Hammers 3×9 with adjustable Objective scope! Now a true nail driver!
Thanks guys. I have an sX4 so this was cool. I'd like to see some bismuth patterns with 4 or 5 shot. Maybe some steel 3 shot too? It would also be sweet to compare the Carlson Cremator to the Carlson Delta choke. Thanks gentlemen
I just bought the identical gun and you saved me the work👍🏻
How about some 3" Kent Fasteel 2.0 #4 shot from each choke? I've used nothing but the Kicks for the last 4 years and I'm strongly considering a move to the Carlson Cremator.
We are planning to do a patterning video and will most definitely get that load on the list! Thanks
The black clouds match perfectly with the cremator long range imo
The thing you have to look at though is the kicks is . 705 while the Carlson is . 700 at least for the Mobil threads others varry on constriction but the kicks runs a slightly wider pattern but makes it more versatile
Great point thanks for the feedback!
@@WhisperingWild also fun fact the cremator chokes that are non ported are the same as there skeet chokes just more expensive
Is .705 for the xfull. Or just full? I'm not sure which one was used on the video.
@@laynesmith9077 it's their long range choke but it is not quite as tight as a full choke
@@laynesmith9077 a factory full choke that is
This video helps alot! I have my choice made now, I'm gonna place an order for the Cremator!
Do this test with Carlson and kicks mid range. My experience shows the long range chokes are a waste of money. I get better long range patterns with the mid ranges. Good video!
Thanks Todd! Will definitely look into doing that, I have also had great success with my Carlson mid range choke.
I’m the opposite on my gun. I get better patterns mid range using the long range, and the long range still does good long range too. I’m running Carlsons Cremator LR on a Stoeger M3500.
@@jaythewhizdog3842i just picked up the Stoeger M3500 you still using Carlsons?
Off subject, but what camo pattern is that on your gun. Looks good. Did you cerakote or dip it?
The camo pattern is mossy oak bottomland and no it’s a factory cerakote. It’s under the Winchester sx4 hybrid camo line.
Try Same setup with federal speed shok 3 inch number 4
I believe Will has a case of that exact ammo we will include on the next patterning video! Thanks
Do some 20 gauge patterning.
Where the hack do you get the cremator? Here in Germany it is difficult to get it. Can you tell me an online shop where i can get it?
Thanks
I bought mine off hunters friend eu in Finland, shipping to ireland. should be arriving this week, I'll keep you posted !
Arrived today, no complaints
Oh wow… the winchesters looked super tight out of the carlson’s at 20 yards
I have a question, I have a SBE3 12 gauge and I have always used modified or improved cylinder for geese. This might sound like a dumb question, but how does the choke not blow up a barrel? Especially the long range chokes? And also which choke tube would you recommend for a SBE3 12 gauge?
Hey Mike, each choke manufacture has different requirements for shot size on their chokes. However, I shoot a Carlson Ported Cremator choke either mid range or long range for geese and ducks. That specific choke for my gun has no shot size requirements I believe. That means in that specific choke I can shoot whatever I want through it without any issues. That would be the choke I recommend looking into. Their are many different options out their to choose from though. I know Will likes his Kicks highflyer choke which is a very popular choke for waterfowl loads as well. Hope this helps!
@@WhisperingWild thank you so much. I have always known the choke tubes were a thing but had never actually got one.
@@mikefilms1727 no problem! I would highly recommend looking into one for waterfowl or bird hunting in general!
@@WhisperingWild thanks again
@Waxed Canvas thank you so much, I really appreciate it.
Kent fast steel #4 patterns well through my creamator
Ammo is more important than choke, Super X are crap
How can i get a cremator choke for my sx4 in Germany?
yo say where you are and maybe some kind guy that comes there often will bring you one.
I am located near Cologne. That would be real nice.
Amazon, dude...
You can get them for about $40-$45 on Amazon compared to most retailers charging $59.99
Good unit
Patternmaster code black duck would've been a nice contestant
Like to see Pattern those choked tubes with bismuth shot. Thanks
Next time we do a patterning video we will be sure to add those!
They say it makes a big difference with a tighter choke tubes system but don't know witch choke tube is best. Thanks again.
Your gun needs to be on a rest so their are no hunter error. Kool video but I didn’t learn anything about this. And try it on shoot n see targets and shot twice at each target to get your grouping right that’s my tip of the day for you…
Johnny’s hair is spectacular
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That is the worst pattern I have ever seen at 50 yards with either choke
Test different ammo in both
Why don't you shoot a circle
Hey buddy, you shouldn't shoot a wad controlling shell with the cremator it has a TST technology that gradually constrict the passage on 3 steps, that's what tge manufacturer says.
Meaning don't shoot black cloud out of this choke. Manufacturers design their Black Cloud chokes to accommodate the flite control wad. Carlson makes a specific choke for Black Cloud. Other manufacturers do too, and most of them say the exit hole is a slightly smaller constriction on their Black Cloud specific chokes. Do your research to avoid wasting your cash, folks.
That’s false. They changed the wads. The old black clouds yes. There is literally a video of federal employees doing a review shooting them outta kicks HF Full, Mod, and IC.
Shooter error, the shooter couldn't handle the recoil so the shots were everywhere. Next time use a rest for better comparison.
Thanks
Hope that bale ain’t for any cattle
Negative it wasnt
That is not how you check the pattern on a choke. Worthless info. Learn what you are doing please.
What’s the correct way than?
@@WhisperingWild 30 inch circle with a aiming point in the middle. Shoot your target at any given range you want. Count the total number of hits within the circle and divide the total into the total of pellets that are in the shell. 75 to 80% is really good. You are also looking for about 2.5 lbs of energy per pellet at least for the range you are shooting. You should shoot off a rest to help with accuracy. Each load should be shot 3 times at the range you want to pattern it with. Above all you are looking for uniform patterns in the circle with little or no blank spots. There you have it.
@@kevinburroughs3826couldn’t agree more
Pattering at 50 yards is stupid looks like you are trying to promote sky busting if you can’t call a duck within 30 yards you don’t need to out there . If you want shoot at 50 yards go to a sporting clays range then you will find out how good you really are.
Haha not at all buddy. Just trying to pattern our guns and understand how they operate at those distances. No difference than practicing shooting your bow at 65 yards when in a real hunting situation shooting under 35 yard at an animal.
Buddy 50 yards is pushing it but it’s still reasonable if your running a good tight choke… i feel like your just mad because you can only hit ducks 20 yards or closer😂
I would not go to the river with a shotgun that wouldn't kill a duck at fifty yards. It's too easy to misjudge range over open water and if your gun is up to the task it's no big deal. If you don't shoot past 35 yards patterning your shotgun is a waste of ammo. With very few exceptions any choke will do at those ranges. Just because someone don't hunt like you do don't make them stupid. I've been shooting ducks for more than fifty years and I've seen many days that if I had limited my shots to thirty yards I would go home empty handed. As far as cripples go that's why I bring a dog. My dogs are good enough that if I put the duck down they're in the bag unless they crawl into a beaver hole. As far as shooting at fifty yards often people hit ducks over the decoys that hit the water crippled at fifty or even sixty yards. If you want to finish them off you better not be shooting imp cyl. Shooting is supposed to be fun,even if you learn something you don't plan on using.
If-if, if u can’t caww a duck wiffin furty yards *_sniff sniff,_* then u, then u shouldn’t be out verrr, u-uhh, u, u stupid head! WEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I know you know that you’ve sucked ass at every sport you’ve tried, and even on your best day couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn at 30 yards!
Both junk shells
neither use comp n choke