I agree with you - I can only recommend getting a cheap 3D printer... you can do that now for the price of a couple of engines! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@chunkylover5371 typically the models I want are the more sought after models that are extremely expensive second hand (Bachman 1P) or you can’t find them at all. Even then most second hand I find is old toolings from 20+ years ago
To me it seems clear that we all need to learn TinkerCAD/Sketchup/etc and just start releasing things on thingiverse or at relatively inexpensive prices for print. The quality won't be the same but we should all aspire to be like Sam - produce our own stuff, and we will only have to fork out for wheels and motors.
@@chunkylover5371 Yeah thats a good one. I have stashed up enough N scale stuff to make a decent size layout for a few hundred. Just need to stay patient and let the not so good deals pass. I got a few junk items, but most, expecially the Minitrix locos, are amazing.
I’m finding the constant pressure of ‘missing out’ to spend £200 pre-ordering an unseen loco really frustrating. It’s a business model that suits the manufacturers, but definitely not us. Whatever happened to our trusted retailers having stock you can touch and take your time to enjoy buying? I love my hobby, but I can’t be alone in being someone who now buys a fraction of what they used to.
It's a very strange business strategy that I cannot fathom. There'd be fewer money issues if they produced cheap, sold at a reasonable price, and sold many. It might make less short-term but the goodwill and cared for customer base pays dividends.
@clipperrail I am actually buying more now than i was before. 8 locos in 2018, 5 in 2019, 11 in 2020 and 17 last year. The reason I buy more locos now is because I now buy buy secondhand more and new less, all because of the ludocris prices on newer models. And I totally agree - This hobby is based around what suits the manafactures, not us.
We've been spoiled with cheap manufacturing, materials, energy, and a healthy workforce. Investors aren't going to invest in a production run without knowing there'll be money coming in return. If it's American made, I'm willing to pay (others too ;) ). This is going to get a lot worse this year and for a long time, particularly if conflict breaks out.
Remember when people used to save up for something and when they had the item was still available to buy? Now it seems that we want it yesterday, can't save up and then miss out or end up with huge amounts of consumer debt.
Agreed. I desperately wanted a Bachmann double Fairlie but could absolutely not justify the almost £300 asking price for a product that was not even released yet. Fast forward a few months and now the price is going up even further. It's like you pre-order or get punished. Okay it's "only" going to be 8 percent, but on such an expensive item that's not negligible.
Wow, it's sad knowing that the bigger modelling companies are increasing their prices, at least Bachmann is being a bit more reasonable than Hornby, but it's just sad. I can just see the amazing Gladstone engine in the background, I'm so excited to see the finished product and you reviewing it!
Buy from accurascale or smaller companies they have great range coming up and there Irish range is brilliant too great detail. Bachmann are pretty decent
It's sure unfortunate - but prices are having to go up - that's just the way the world is. We just have to hope that the companies that matter won't take advantage of this... and most of them (even Bachmann!) seem to be doing the right thing! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hornby plc were barely profitable in 2021 and made a significant loss in 2020. I'd suggest right now it's a survival issue for them. There has been loads of consolidation in the market in the last 20 years if you look beyond the UK (Fleischmann, Lima, Jouef, rivarossi and probably many more suggesting the established companies have been finding it tough. The tooling costs alone are enormous, I was shocked when I saw how much they spend on that. The bigger your range the higher the costs are per unit and Hornby have a massive range. Customers want more range that drives business cost through needing more designers, more tooling, smaller volumes for each production run which increases production unit cost etc. The demand for more detail also massively drives cost up. Labour cost of adding fitted parts almost certainly increases production cost massively. Bigger range also means more stock and stock is terrible at hindering your ability to invest more due to the tied up cash. Maybe some of the competition have fewer things to worry about like other brands (airfix, scalextric, Jouef, Lima), smaller ranges etc. I dont know enough about it but I doubt the model railway hobby is a growth segment of the hobby/toy market so everyone is likely fighting for a share of a shrinking pie that usually means going upmarket and increased prices due to ever decreasing volumes. Hopefully they survive the next few years.
I feel myself graviting towards the likes of Accurascale and Rapido more and more because of the way they operate and take on customer feedback etc. You might have missed it but at the end of the Dapol coach article (just a single line) they are also producing toplight corridor versions with an announcement later this year
I do too - they seem to really put the customer first, which is the best way to run a business in my opinion. Do that, and the money will always follow. Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Took me by surprise, that NS logo above the Abellio. Then I remembered Abellio and thus Northern Rail are owned by the Dutch National Railways. Also, good on Rapido and Studio Canal. We all know Hornby didn't suddenly grow some morals and took the items down willingly.
For the Titfield Thunderbolt, they had understood that they only will loose anyhow they do it. So, the best thing to do was to withdraw as soon as possible.
Certainly not defending the scale of Hornby's price increases - but I suppose Bachmann can afford to keep the price rise more modest as their models have been extortionately priced for some time now. I will be sending my modest funds to the likes of Dapol, Oxford Rail and Accurascale for the foreseeable future.
haha yeah that's a fair point - like I say, the prices of Bachmann's new stuff is still ludicrous... though maybe not quite as bad as Hornby's latest ones! Thank goodness there are still some manufacturers willing to put the customer first! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Oh, you're a cheeky lad, aren't you? Nice to see you full-frame with a complete torso and intact logo. And congrats on the intro graphics-- very effective video. And as always, thanks for telling it like it is. The world is so inundated with people trying to sell us a new kettle of fish but our hobby should be a spin-free zone -- that's the whole point. You just call it as you see it and move on. The major makers ignore you at their peril. Can't wait to see your finished scratchbuilt Gladstone - yum!
Would love to see a review of the new Bachmann Pannier tank. I love the look of the BR one. Thanks again Sam, as ever your vids are a great source of information for the hobby!
I’ve got three of the Accurascale Deltics on order , I’ve read that each loco will weigh 900 grams ! The one thing that Hornby are really good at is silence . David
Oh wow 3?! They'll be amazing together... and I've heard great things about them too... loving their "Realistic Models, Realistic Prices" policy! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great video, Sam, that Deltic might be something I get, as well as the MSC livery sentinel, very convenient how the Lion stuff disappeared off the market the moment Hornby might get into legal trouble, hardly surprising, here's hoping they see sense and drop their prices back down again... -TheImperialDiamondSpinosaurus
Thanks so much - they do look amazing don't they? Yep - reckon they've probably had their hand forced by StudioCanal - but there's been no official statement yet! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Glad you keep us up to date on the world of model railroads. surprised that Dapol of all companies are stepping up their game giving their reputation of lemon locos, we'll see if they keep this up. Looking forward to see what you got going on in your little workshop as well
The new Hornby Sentinel " Stanton 57 " was operated by Stanton Ironworks near Ilkeston in Derbyshire, not the NCB. I've no idea where Hornby got that idea from. I actually drove the loco from the furnace plant, were it had bought in another load of molten iron, 200 yards down the track and then told the crew that the loco was missing. When I told them I'd shifted it I had to disappear rather rapidly.
I have already brought the most amazing thing this year and it isn't a model either. I noticed a fellow volunteer brought in a very interesting book which has engineer drawings of locomotives, carriages, wagons, buildings and other railway related items. Lets say you will be amazed by the internals of the steam locomotives especially the W1 Hush Hush. The book is called Railways A History In Drawings. Might be ideal for future 3D printing inspiration.
Great news this month Sam, I very much agree with what you're saying about the price increase in models. I feel the big firms rely heavily on China for manufacturing and now with the additional costs of shipping I do wonder if they would have done better keeping manufacturing in this country!!. Its such a shame because I can't see how I can now justify paying these huge prices for new models. They have priced me out of the new market. I'm a older modeller who is in the analogue models and igot back into the hobby to enjoy a shared relationship with my grandchildren. But its all getting just to expensive. Also the way hornby is treating their trusted retailers is dreadful. Anyway thanks for what you do to highlight these difficult times. Enjoy following your adventures. Eddy xx
Thanks a lot Eddy - all the skill in model manufacture is in China - and some manufacturers are still able to manufacture there without massive cost increases! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
i have to say i would love to see a review on the new bachmann panniers, i once owned one and sadly sold it (i highly regret it :D) but if i remember correctly they are brilliant and most importantly, they are so ADORABLE!!!!! :D anyway, great video Sam, prices are starting to seem scarey and so is hornby as a company with their unusual activity as of recent, anyway, great video Sam!
I'd noticed the "error" when searching (just out of curiosity as to see how well things are going) for the Titfield Thunderbolt and Lady With A Lamp on the Hornby site. The thing is with commercial tie ups, it's not just the financial side of things. The company who the property belongs want to be sure that the product that bears their brand is of a certain quality. They don't want something that looks or runs like a bag of nails bearing their brand or name, as people could associate the poor quality with them and not necessarily the manufacturer. After all, as a manufacturer, what you produce represents the rights holders brand. Maybe they'll release it as the inspired by Simon Kohler range and call it The Boltfield Thundertit.
looks like it to and before a potentially law suit that Hornby will unlikely to win - school boy & girl errors from Hornby - time for heads to roll on this one, including the Cola bloke.
Your buddy, thx-1138, or whatever it is- the one with the tiny G scale garden set up, did a vid a while back of the preserved short prairie and I instantly fell in love with it. Have been searching since for one but they get snapped up before I can, the ones not broken at least. I'm glad they will be avail soon!
I think the problem that Hornby might be facing is one of identity, it has the potential economies of scale but that is is disipated by gravitating toward both higher fidelity and a plethora of short run products where the fixed costs of the business crush profitability, it's like Nellie the Elephant trying to be the Sugarplum Fairy, there is room for both mass market and high fidelity products but modellers too can't expect ever increasing"content" without that impacting on price.
On the Hornby TV show recently Simon said that the locos will be made in a limited edition of 500 just so they could sell it for a higher price as its more desirable for collectors. I will only buy pre-owned models now.
Yep - they've been doing that a few years now... and much of their range seems to have lower production numbers now, possibly for the same reasons! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Ngl I cant wait for the Rapido E1 and honestly, Hornby is beginning to become a laughing stock. Bachmann has taken its price increase much better than hornby
@@SamsTrains I had an idea by the way... A follow up to your brake van experiment, how about a brake tender? You could incorporate a weight into it that way.
*Three hundred and ten pounds* for a none sound-fitted 2-car 150 .. Are they mad?! A few more coaches and wagons and that'll be the end of my collecting days. I love this hobby, but at the end of the day they're just toy trains and I'm not prepared to pay several hundred pounds on a DMU. This is now getting ridiculous!
Watch hornby suddenly create toplight coaches 😔 hornby used to be the spotlight company to helping younger people get into the hobby now it’s just impossible sadly as the prices even on eBay are too high now
Morning Sam, Thankyou for this months update. Hornby have done them selves no favours with their ever increasing price rises; wait for next one in few months. Hope to hear about the disappearing models soon…. The other suppliers who are now stepping into the light are doing a great job. Some fantastic models due out later this year and am looking forward to taking opportunity in purchasing some of those GWR coaches. All best for now and until next video. Marc
“It’s not a cat for Christmas, it’s for keeps except I can’t find the b***ard!” 😜🤣😂😅 Fantastic stuff Sam, love it 👍🍻 Those carriages look mind blowingly good 🤩 I suspect they will end up on my birthday list. True about the wagons though mate: Oxford all the way. They are a treat and it is insane how cheap they are compared to other brands that are, frankly, only as good at best 🤷🏻♂️ As for the Deltic and that 47…well it has been a while since I bought a diesel (like decades) as I wasn’t planning on modelling that era on my “grown up” layout when it finally gets built…ah well, my layout eh? And it hasn’t even been built yet so no brainier there 😎 Cheers fella, great fun as ever 👍🍀🍻
Thanks so much - maybe one day - It's just a time thing for me - these vids take a lot of it, and I work on them by myself!! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
im so exited for the rapido E1. stroudley's finest, you should do that one day stroudley's finest. anyway must dash, have a great month my dear sam. -Axel
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Come on Sam, embrace the narrow gauge and build an 009 branch line. Locos are available from Bachmann, Heljan, Peco, Minitrains. And lots of wagons and carriages too! 😷👍
The 64xx in br looks awesome. I can't get over how much that coach was, I know it's extremely well detailed and all the other stuff but £149.99.... really!!!! I remember when I started out an expensive coach was £25😂
haha I agree - especially when Dapol have just announced what looks to be an equally stunning set of coaches for £60 each RRP! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam great round up as always, very interesting with Hornby. I must be so out of date, I remember saving up to by vans like 'fine fish' 'prime pork' from my local toy shop, they were £1.50 no way could I have imagined £30+ for a van. Dapol coaches look very nice, blue ones especially but £50 ????
Hornby scurrying away into the corner and trying to hide the fact that they've jacked up the prices, offended the LGBTQ+ community, and tried to hide a slight copyright infringement by saying "inspired by" great video sam, I can't believe hornby have stooped this low, and I like the DBSO coaches, even though the prices are massive, I can't wait to see one of those at an exhibition. Its good that Bachmann are keeping their prices down. I may get an Oxford N7 and maybe a Oxford GWR mystery box seeing as I've purchased an Severn Valley Railway exclusive accurascale GWR Manor.
I've pre-ordered the Bachmann Class 47 47712 BR ScotRail 'Lady Dina Spencer' with Sound as it is in current day tooling or running @£288 but that's where the price lunacy ends for me for sound loco's, I refuse to pay more than £290 and will stick to that no matter how much I want it. Just on Accurascale, personally I've spent £7k on them since they entered the UK market on current day models and less than £1k on Hornby & Bachmann combined, funny enough Dapol come in at 2nd @£5k because they know how to churn out current day models at realistic prices.
Interesting thx Sam. I look forward to your news roundup, even though I look at the respective sites myself. I have pre-ordered an Accurascale ROG Class 37 as I see them in Derby where live.
@Sam Did you know that the saying, 'The cat's out of the bag' refers to the 'cat o' nine tails' being removed from its storage bag and doesn't refer to the furry moggy? I'd say Hornby have been using it on themselves lately. 😁
Another interesting newscast! 😂 I agree, the price increase by Hornby is absolutely ridiculous, but unfortunately not much we can do 🤷🏽♂️ I’m excited about Gladstone! Would love to see her ready.
Ah… it took me a while to figure out the missing cat thing, until I spotted the lion locomotive in the background. How did they not see that coming? I wonder if they have ego problems at Hornby? Like “we can do what we want, cause we’re Hornby!” Must be a blow to the ego when they learned they can’t…
I pre-ordered the Rapido DCC sound fitted FP9A way back in December 2020. Pre-order price £249.00. It was released in October 2021. Guess what the price in the shops is today? £249.00. A shocking ZERO% price increase! You read that right. The price hasn't increased by a single penny. That must be because they're shipped from China via Canada instead of being shipped directly from China to the UK. I see the Dapol coaches have kinematic couplings too.
Interesting to see Bachmann addressing the price increases directly. I don't know about material costs specifically (we've been expecting an increase of around 25% on all the raw materials my industry purchases) but shipping at the moment is an absolute killer. It used to cost £3000 - £5000 to get a container from the far east to Europe. In the last year or so, that's been averaging around £18,000 per container, peaking at £25,000. None of the model railway companies are huge in business terms. It will be interesting to see how long they can shoulder some more of that burden.
Quite refreshing to have them actually addressed actually! Yes container prices have certainly increased - but if you do the maths and work out the probable shipping cost increase *per loco* , it's not very much at all! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, Again Nice News roundup, good lot in the pipeline, nice set of coaches, ( but , prices getting to high ,us pension people can't afford it,) can't wait for the big reveal soon, All the Best Brian 🤗😎
Rapids has been announcing models on a monthly and semi-monthly basis in the states as well. On the topic of budget locomotives, have you ever considered reviewing a Scaletrains locomotive? Their operator line diesel locomotives with DCC and sound can be had for $150 USD direct from them or $99 for straight DC.
At 1:17, more realistic guess is that they didn't want the lawsuit. Also, next month, try to cover some of the US/CA market. Even implementing Bachmann(US) for now would be great.
I recently took sole ownership of mine and my Dad's huge OO collection after his death; I've always wanted to return to the hobby and wondered if now might be the time. After seeing the absolutely ridiculous prices Hornby are trying to charge, I've decided that there's no chance of this happening. They have killed any interest I might have had in buying new items. I would have been willing to spend £1,000 - £2,000 per year but I just can't bring myself to spend a single penny with them when you see what you'd get for your money.
Cheers Sam. Interesting news. 64XX looks pretty good but pricey as do the 47's but those Deltics and the 37's are amazing!!!! Interested in those dapol coaches. Sounds good. :-) Nice "poncey" bit too ;-)
I'd personally love to see you review a bachmann 64xx pannier. That was the first br model I ever purchased from Bachmann 6 or 7 years ago, I'd like to see if they've made any improvements and also your opinion of it!
XD I saw that Hornby notice on Kernow's website! Wondered if you were going to note that. Hat's off to Kernow for the stance, but I fear it won't be Hornby that is effected by it
One thing I don't understand. Heljan's ETHELs are the same price as their 25/3s because the motors and gears aren't expensive. Yet Hornby's dummy HST power car / surrogate DVT is £85, not half the £363 you'd pay rrp of a pair of power cars.
Hornby strikes again - still awaiting my locos from AS and fear a price increase as the specs are outstanding and note that DAPOL are about to bring out some DIESELS with SMOKE affects.....tell me more ! Anyone else fancy a 'dirty' CLASS 37 ....NOT on the range yet - keeping my fingers and toes crossed.
Sam, you sucked me into buying the MSC Sentinel as I work for another firm named MSC. And of course I had to get a couple of tank wagons to go with it. 200 dollars I didn't know I needed to spend! Blimey as you guys say!
You need to set up a community search in the local area to try and find your missing pet lion Sam lol. Those deltics are really tempting although I've already got two hornby ones and I like a bit of variety, but I suppose 3 can't hurt. Plus I think they're £130 on rails of Sheffield or at least they were so it can't be too bad. Really stepping up these smaller manufacturers perhaps the big guys should take a leaf out of their book.
Hornby LBSC 100-s have ever been causing short circuits? I recently got my hand on one, I had to replicate it motor's missing brush arm, anyway it runs nice except from the motor taking 400 milAmps (and the loko runs way too fast for it kin) and some positons the wheels cause the train short out somehow (I don't know how).
When Bachmann showed off what was to come for the Thomas range earlier this month, they revealed that Salty would be coming out of retirement later this year. So if you're interested, you'll have a chance to get your hands on him and review him.
On the subject of prices, again. I look at e bay and auction houses on a daily basis. The prices have gone insane. So new prices have always pushed up second hand and more so it would seem now.
Those new Bachmann Pannier tanks look the business, but I'm actually more curious about Rapido's 15xx Pannier they've been working on awhile. I'd love to see a review when they come out, see if the extra 10 pounds is worth the Rapido build quality and more complicated valve gear.
If it's like some of the other Rapido locomotives and even the buses I have seen they will be good as Rapido pride themselves in doing great detailed models.
Sadly my payment increase is only 7% for the year, so until model encages come back i have to pass on everything. Heck even my birthday present 4 myself was a microtransaction in a videogame i play!
But most newcomers to railway modelling start with a layout on the carpet. I got banned from RMWeb for disagreeing with a ridiculous comment from a Model Rail editor.
As someone running on such a tight budget, it’s becoming increasingly hard to continue my passion since the models are so expensive
I agree with you - I can only recommend getting a cheap 3D printer... you can do that now for the price of a couple of engines!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
buy secondhand if you can
@@chunkylover5371 typically the models I want are the more sought after models that are extremely expensive second hand (Bachman 1P) or you can’t find them at all. Even then most second hand I find is old toolings from 20+ years ago
To me it seems clear that we all need to learn TinkerCAD/Sketchup/etc and just start releasing things on thingiverse or at relatively inexpensive prices for print. The quality won't be the same but we should all aspire to be like Sam - produce our own stuff, and we will only have to fork out for wheels and motors.
@@chunkylover5371 Yeah thats a good one. I have stashed up enough N scale stuff to make a decent size layout for a few hundred. Just need to stay patient and let the not so good deals pass. I got a few junk items, but most, expecially the Minitrix locos, are amazing.
I’m finding the constant pressure of ‘missing out’ to spend £200 pre-ordering an unseen loco really frustrating. It’s a business model that suits the manufacturers, but definitely not us. Whatever happened to our trusted retailers having stock you can touch and take your time to enjoy buying? I love my hobby, but I can’t be alone in being someone who now buys a fraction of what they used to.
It's a very strange business strategy that I cannot fathom. There'd be fewer money issues if they produced cheap, sold at a reasonable price, and sold many. It might make less short-term but the goodwill and cared for customer base pays dividends.
@clipperrail I am actually buying more now than i was before. 8 locos in 2018, 5 in 2019, 11 in 2020 and 17 last year. The reason I buy more locos now is because I now buy buy secondhand more and new less, all because of the ludocris prices on newer models. And I totally agree - This hobby is based around what suits the manafactures, not us.
We've been spoiled with cheap manufacturing, materials, energy, and a healthy workforce. Investors aren't going to invest in a production run without knowing there'll be money coming in return. If it's American made, I'm willing to pay (others too ;) ). This is going to get a lot worse this year and for a long time, particularly if conflict breaks out.
Remember when people used to save up for something and when they had the item was still available to buy? Now it seems that we want it yesterday, can't save up and then miss out or end up with huge amounts of consumer debt.
Agreed. I desperately wanted a Bachmann double Fairlie but could absolutely not justify the almost £300 asking price for a product that was not even released yet. Fast forward a few months and now the price is going up even further. It's like you pre-order or get punished. Okay it's "only" going to be 8 percent, but on such an expensive item that's not negligible.
Wow, it's sad knowing that the bigger modelling companies are increasing their prices, at least Bachmann is being a bit more reasonable than Hornby, but it's just sad. I can just see the amazing Gladstone engine in the background, I'm so excited to see the finished product and you reviewing it!
i just gave up buying new model trains, if i buy any its 1980s ones from ebay
Buy from accurascale or smaller companies they have great range coming up and there Irish range is brilliant too great detail. Bachmann are pretty decent
It's sure unfortunate - but prices are having to go up - that's just the way the world is. We just have to hope that the companies that matter won't take advantage of this... and most of them (even Bachmann!) seem to be doing the right thing!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
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Hornby plc were barely profitable in 2021 and made a significant loss in 2020. I'd suggest right now it's a survival issue for them. There has been loads of consolidation in the market in the last 20 years if you look beyond the UK (Fleischmann, Lima, Jouef, rivarossi and probably many more suggesting the established companies have been finding it tough. The tooling costs alone are enormous, I was shocked when I saw how much they spend on that. The bigger your range the higher the costs are per unit and Hornby have a massive range. Customers want more range that drives business cost through needing more designers, more tooling, smaller volumes for each production run which increases production unit cost etc. The demand for more detail also massively drives cost up. Labour cost of adding fitted parts almost certainly increases production cost massively. Bigger range also means more stock and stock is terrible at hindering your ability to invest more due to the tied up cash. Maybe some of the competition have fewer things to worry about like other brands (airfix, scalextric, Jouef, Lima), smaller ranges etc. I dont know enough about it but I doubt the model railway hobby is a growth segment of the hobby/toy market so everyone is likely fighting for a share of a shrinking pie that usually means going upmarket and increased prices due to ever decreasing volumes. Hopefully they survive the next few years.
I feel myself graviting towards the likes of Accurascale and Rapido more and more because of the way they operate and take on customer feedback etc. You might have missed it but at the end of the Dapol coach article (just a single line) they are also producing toplight corridor versions with an announcement later this year
I do too - they seem to really put the customer first, which is the best way to run a business in my opinion. Do that, and the money will always follow.
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Too right! They actually value their customers.
Some great news articles there Sam, brilliant use of the posters as well.
haha thanks David - I felt it was necessary! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Took me by surprise, that NS logo above the Abellio. Then I remembered Abellio and thus Northern Rail are owned by the Dutch National Railways.
Also, good on Rapido and Studio Canal. We all know Hornby didn't suddenly grow some morals and took the items down willingly.
Ahh interesting! And yeah good on them... just want to know the story now ;)
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For the Titfield Thunderbolt, they had understood that they only will loose anyhow they do it. So, the best thing to do was to withdraw as soon as possible.
Power of "cease and desist" letters. I would personally like to see more Era 1 offerings.
Certainly not defending the scale of Hornby's price increases - but I suppose Bachmann can afford to keep the price rise more modest as their models have been extortionately priced for some time now. I will be sending my modest funds to the likes of Dapol, Oxford Rail and Accurascale for the foreseeable future.
haha yeah that's a fair point - like I say, the prices of Bachmann's new stuff is still ludicrous... though maybe not quite as bad as Hornby's latest ones! Thank goodness there are still some manufacturers willing to put the customer first!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I wish Hornby would re-release the 'cheap seats' (Railroad) DMUs so they were less ridiculously expensive than the bespoke stuff - 142s & 121s
I agree - they're cheap to make, so they should be cheap to buy!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Oh, you're a cheeky lad, aren't you?
Nice to see you full-frame with a complete torso and intact logo. And congrats on the intro graphics-- very effective video.
And as always, thanks for telling it like it is. The world is so inundated with people trying to sell us a new kettle of fish but our hobby should be a spin-free zone -- that's the whole point. You just call it as you see it and move on. The major makers ignore you at their peril.
Can't wait to see your finished scratchbuilt Gladstone - yum!
haha yes a bit! Glad you liked it anyway - no nonsense with me - can't be doing with the brown-noses ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Would love to see a review of the new Bachmann Pannier tank. I love the look of the BR one. Thanks again Sam, as ever your vids are a great source of information for the hobby!
Me too!! I'm thinking of covering it :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The 0-6-0 sentinel in P.B.A livery looks nice. It's also one of the sentinels we have at East Somerset Railway!
It sure does! Definitely an awesome model to see in OO :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I’ve got three of the Accurascale Deltics on order , I’ve read that each loco will weigh 900 grams ! The one thing that Hornby are really good at is silence . David
Oh wow 3?! They'll be amazing together... and I've heard great things about them too... loving their "Realistic Models, Realistic Prices" policy!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Good news. Guess its good that I pre-ordered Rapido's models rather than fall in to Hornbys trap. I also like the look of the new Dapol coaches.
haha absolutely - at least you actually get what you pay for with Rapido! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looking forward to the Gladston engine reveal!
I will be getting one of the 64xx engines, those are neat.
Thank you so much! They sure do look neat :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great video, Sam, that Deltic might be something I get, as well as the MSC livery sentinel, very convenient how the Lion stuff disappeared off the market the moment Hornby might get into legal trouble, hardly surprising, here's hoping they see sense and drop their prices back down again... -TheImperialDiamondSpinosaurus
Thanks so much - they do look amazing don't they? Yep - reckon they've probably had their hand forced by StudioCanal - but there's been no official statement yet!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Glad you keep us up to date on the world of model railroads. surprised that Dapol of all companies are stepping up their game giving their reputation of lemon locos, we'll see if they keep this up. Looking forward to see what you got going on in your little workshop as well
No problem R! Yeah Dapol have been doing some great work of late... can't wait to see what they do next! :D
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The new Hornby Sentinel " Stanton 57 " was operated by Stanton Ironworks near Ilkeston in Derbyshire, not the NCB. I've no idea where Hornby got that idea from. I actually drove the loco from the furnace plant, were it had bought in another load of molten iron, 200 yards down the track and then told the crew that the loco was missing. When I told them I'd shifted it I had to disappear rather rapidly.
Thanks for sharing Ged - yes it was indeed Stanton - weird!
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I have already brought the most amazing thing this year and it isn't a model either. I noticed a fellow volunteer brought in a very interesting book which has engineer drawings of locomotives, carriages, wagons, buildings and other railway related items. Lets say you will be amazed by the internals of the steam locomotives especially the W1 Hush Hush. The book is called Railways A History In Drawings. Might be ideal for future 3D printing inspiration.
Wow! That sounds amazing - thanks for letting me know about this! :D
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Great news this month Sam, I very much agree with what you're saying about the price increase in models. I feel the big firms rely heavily on China for manufacturing and now with the additional costs of shipping I do wonder if they would have done better keeping manufacturing in this country!!. Its such a shame because I can't see how I can now justify paying these huge prices for new models. They have priced me out of the new market. I'm a older modeller who is in the analogue models and igot back into the hobby to enjoy a shared relationship with my grandchildren. But its all getting just to expensive. Also the way hornby is treating their trusted retailers is dreadful. Anyway thanks for what you do to highlight these difficult times. Enjoy following your adventures. Eddy xx
Thanks a lot Eddy - all the skill in model manufacture is in China - and some manufacturers are still able to manufacture there without massive cost increases!
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i have to say i would love to see a review on the new bachmann panniers, i once owned one and sadly sold it (i highly regret it :D) but if i remember correctly they are brilliant and most importantly, they are so ADORABLE!!!!! :D anyway, great video Sam, prices are starting to seem scarey and so is hornby as a company with their unusual activity as of recent, anyway, great video Sam!
Sure thing! I've put that down as one to cover - the new photos look brilliant indeed! :D
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Sam's Trains - sound like great model railroad manufacturer 🙂
haha thank you!! ;D
I'd noticed the "error" when searching (just out of curiosity as to see how well things are going) for the Titfield Thunderbolt and Lady With A Lamp on the Hornby site.
The thing is with commercial tie ups, it's not just the financial side of things. The company who the property belongs want to be sure that the product that bears their brand is of a certain quality. They don't want something that looks or runs like a bag of nails bearing their brand or name, as people could associate the poor quality with them and not necessarily the manufacturer. After all, as a manufacturer, what you produce represents the rights holders brand.
Maybe they'll release it as the inspired by Simon Kohler range and call it
The Boltfield Thundertit.
Your last sentence was worth many, many likes just by itself.
These prices are insane especially for a Box van, madness.
I agree Paul - that's shocking isn't it?!
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As for the disappearance of the film series: that looks like a classic cease and desist takedown to me. Calling it before it happens.
looks like it to and before a potentially law suit that Hornby will unlikely to win - school boy & girl errors from Hornby - time for heads to roll on this one, including the Cola bloke.
That's more than likely - we may never know the details!
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Your buddy, thx-1138, or whatever it is- the one with the tiny G scale garden set up, did a vid a while back of the preserved short prairie and I instantly fell in love with it. Have been searching since for one but they get snapped up before I can, the ones not broken at least. I'm glad they will be avail soon!
I think the problem that Hornby might be facing is one of identity, it has the potential economies of scale but that is is disipated by gravitating toward both higher fidelity and a plethora of short run products where the fixed costs of the business crush profitability, it's like Nellie the Elephant trying to be the Sugarplum Fairy, there is room for both mass market and high fidelity products but modellers too can't expect ever increasing"content" without that impacting on price.
On the Hornby TV show recently Simon said that the locos will be made in a limited edition of 500 just so they could sell it for a higher price as its more desirable for collectors. I will only buy pre-owned models now.
Yep - they've been doing that a few years now... and much of their range seems to have lower production numbers now, possibly for the same reasons!
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Ngl I cant wait for the Rapido E1 and honestly, Hornby is beginning to become a laughing stock. Bachmann has taken its price increase much better than hornby
Ooh me too - I bet they'll do a grand job! Yes - laughing stock is right!
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I'm always up for a pannier tank review! Some interesting things there 🤔
Thanks Richard - I'll be doing that! Definitely some good stuff on the way!
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@@SamsTrains I had an idea by the way... A follow up to your brake van experiment, how about a brake tender? You could incorporate a weight into it that way.
*Three hundred and ten pounds* for a none sound-fitted 2-car 150 .. Are they mad?!
A few more coaches and wagons and that'll be the end of my collecting days. I love this hobby, but at the end of the day they're just toy trains and I'm not prepared to pay several hundred pounds on a DMU. This is now getting ridiculous!
Watch hornby suddenly create toplight coaches 😔 hornby used to be the spotlight company to helping younger people get into the hobby now it’s just impossible sadly as the prices even on eBay are too high now
haha they should... and show the world (again) how inferior they are to other manufactures xD
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I heard Rapido have the cat safe and sound now
Ahh that's good news - hopefully they'll be in a position to take better care of it than Hornby!
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Morning Sam, Thankyou for this months update. Hornby have done them selves no favours with their ever increasing price rises; wait for next one in few months. Hope to hear about the disappearing models soon…. The other suppliers who are now stepping into the light are doing a great job. Some fantastic models due out later this year and am looking forward to taking opportunity in purchasing some of those GWR coaches. All best for now and until next video. Marc
It's a pleasure Marc - they've really messed life up for themselves this year - can't understand what they're thinking!
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“It’s not a cat for Christmas, it’s for keeps except I can’t find the b***ard!” 😜🤣😂😅 Fantastic stuff Sam, love it 👍🍻
Those carriages look mind blowingly good 🤩 I suspect they will end up on my birthday list. True about the wagons though mate: Oxford all the way. They are a treat and it is insane how cheap they are compared to other brands that are, frankly, only as good at best 🤷🏻♂️
As for the Deltic and that 47…well it has been a while since I bought a diesel (like decades) as I wasn’t planning on modelling that era on my “grown up” layout when it finally gets built…ah well, my layout eh? And it hasn’t even been built yet so no brainier there 😎
Cheers fella, great fun as ever 👍🍀🍻
Another fabulous review Sam, you really are a star in your field 👍😁
Bless you Paul, that's very very kind of you!
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Excellent video as usual. Would you consider N gauge and OO9 announcements in the news vids?
Thanks so much - maybe one day - It's just a time thing for me - these vids take a lot of it, and I work on them by myself!!
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The only thing you appeared to miss was that the Bachmann Thomas line had some new announcements in the US version of their spring announcements.
Ahh interesting - I'll have to look at that! :D
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im so exited for the rapido E1. stroudley's finest, you should do that one day stroudley's finest. anyway must dash, have a great month my dear sam. -Axel
Can’t wait to buy my first model I’m spending money on soon, hopefully. Planning on maybe making one of these
Ooh amazing!! Which model are you going for? :D
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Whatever I can buy, maybe one of the Bachmann pannier tanks. I may add in some of the dapol coaches to go with it.
LOVE your shows. Old man addicted here.
Thanks so much Ralph - glad to have you on board! :D
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Thanks Sam great round-up
Cheers Chris - it's a pleasure!
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Love the videos Sam, keep them coming!
Thank you so much - I'll try! :D
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I like how I can see a odd one out on the missing cat poster of the lion locomotive while all the rest are lion cats
haha yeah - I thought that should be done ;D
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To name a few hornby 8f, black5, 28xx, Castle, King, and a grange. Cheers Willow & Jasper
Ahh interesting - warm motors are okay - would you say they're warm, or hot? Are they painful to touch?
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News for 2023, sams trains first train set is a resounding success selling 150,000 train sets his first year in business. News for 2093, oldest working sams trains starter set fetches 1.6 million quid just 10 years after the legendary loco builders death.
Come on Sam, embrace the narrow gauge and build an 009 branch line. Locos are available from Bachmann, Heljan, Peco, Minitrains. And lots of wagons and carriages too! 😷👍
The 64xx in br looks awesome. I can't get over how much that coach was, I know it's extremely well detailed and all the other stuff but £149.99.... really!!!! I remember when I started out an expensive coach was £25😂
haha I agree - especially when Dapol have just announced what looks to be an equally stunning set of coaches for £60 each RRP!
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Scratch build is the way to go . It’s not that difficult and the results are so satisfying !
Always good to catch up on the Nooz.
"aa you 'ave you seen me Lion?"🤣🤣🤣
Love the channel. Would love to go back to trains some day.
Suggest you start saving now!
Great news Sam :)
Lots coming along which is all good. Funny about Hornby.
What Accurascale locos have you got on order, or most looking forward too?
Thanks a lot! I'm hoping to cover all of the Accurascale locos :D
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I have some Accurascale wagons. They are very, very good. The packs with mixed numbers are excellent for building rakes.
That's great to hear - I'm yet to try anything from them! :D
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Hi Sam great round up as always, very interesting with Hornby. I must be so out of date, I remember saving up to by vans like 'fine fish' 'prime pork' from my local toy shop, they were £1.50 no way could I have imagined £30+ for a van. Dapol coaches look very nice, blue ones especially but £50 ????
Hornby scurrying away into the corner and trying to hide the fact that they've jacked up the prices, offended the LGBTQ+ community, and tried to hide a slight copyright infringement by saying "inspired by" great video sam, I can't believe hornby have stooped this low, and I like the DBSO coaches, even though the prices are massive, I can't wait to see one of those at an exhibition. Its good that Bachmann are keeping their prices down. I may get an Oxford N7 and maybe a Oxford GWR mystery box seeing as I've purchased an Severn Valley Railway exclusive accurascale GWR Manor.
I've pre-ordered the Bachmann Class 47 47712 BR ScotRail 'Lady Dina Spencer' with Sound as it is in current day tooling or running @£288 but that's where the price lunacy ends for me for sound loco's, I refuse to pay more than £290 and will stick to that no matter how much I want it.
Just on Accurascale, personally I've spent £7k on them since they entered the UK market on current day models and less than £1k on Hornby & Bachmann combined, funny enough Dapol come in at 2nd @£5k because they know how to churn out current day models at realistic prices.
Can't blame you for that! And wow - I haven't tried anything from Accurascale yet... but I definitely will be! :D
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The Dapol coaches seem like a steal when compared to the Bachmann MK2Fs at almost £100.00 for a coach!!!!!
Interesting thx Sam. I look forward to your news roundup, even though I look at the respective sites myself. I have pre-ordered an Accurascale ROG Class 37 as I see them in Derby where live.
Thanks a lot! Ahh fantastic - they're sounding like great models :D
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@Sam Did you know that the saying, 'The cat's out of the bag' refers to the 'cat o' nine tails' being removed from its storage bag and doesn't refer to the furry moggy?
I'd say Hornby have been using it on themselves lately. 😁
haha interesting!! I bet you're right xD
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Another interesting newscast! 😂
I agree, the price increase by Hornby is absolutely ridiculous, but unfortunately not much we can do 🤷🏽♂️
I’m excited about Gladstone! Would love to see her ready.
Thanks a lot Kris - yeah crazy isn't it? Just vote with our wallets - that's all we can do!
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Ah… it took me a while to figure out the missing cat thing, until I spotted the lion locomotive in the background. How did they not see that coming?
I wonder if they have ego problems at Hornby? Like “we can do what we want, cause we’re Hornby!”
Must be a blow to the ego when they learned they can’t…
haha! I think they have ego issues too - they think they're more of a big shot than they are ;D
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Talking of Accurascale, what do you think of their Class 92s? They're my favourite trains in real life and my 90s Hornby model hasn't aged very well.
I pre-ordered the Rapido DCC sound fitted FP9A way back in December 2020. Pre-order price £249.00. It was released in October 2021.
Guess what the price in the shops is today? £249.00. A shocking ZERO% price increase! You read that right. The price hasn't increased by a single penny.
That must be because they're shipped from China via Canada instead of being shipped directly from China to the UK.
I see the Dapol coaches have kinematic couplings too.
Interesting to see Bachmann addressing the price increases directly. I don't know about material costs specifically (we've been expecting an increase of around 25% on all the raw materials my industry purchases) but shipping at the moment is an absolute killer. It used to cost £3000 - £5000 to get a container from the far east to Europe. In the last year or so, that's been averaging around £18,000 per container, peaking at £25,000. None of the model railway companies are huge in business terms. It will be interesting to see how long they can shoulder some more of that burden.
Quite refreshing to have them actually addressed actually! Yes container prices have certainly increased - but if you do the maths and work out the probable shipping cost increase *per loco* , it's not very much at all!
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I'm getting that Rapido E1. No matter what it takes.
Amazing!! They do look awesome :D
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If you’re offering downloads of the Gladstone are you also going to offer the manning wardle L class
Hi Sam, Again Nice News roundup, good lot in the pipeline, nice set of coaches, ( but , prices getting to high ,us pension people can't afford it,) can't wait for the big reveal soon, All the Best Brian 🤗😎
Thanks a lot Brian - hope you enjoy the big reveal! :D
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Rapids has been announcing models on a monthly and semi-monthly basis in the states as well. On the topic of budget locomotives, have you ever considered reviewing a Scaletrains locomotive? Their operator line diesel locomotives with DCC and sound can be had for $150 USD direct from them or $99 for straight DC.
Ahh fantastic - glad to hear they're going from strength to strength! Scaletrains sounds interesting - maybe some day! :D
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Awesome video today Sam some beautiful modles coming out
Yes Sam try a Bachmann 64xx pannier tank. I have also a Bachmann 64xx pannier tank loco and for me i like this loco!
At 1:17, more realistic guess is that they didn't want the lawsuit. Also, next month, try to cover some of the US/CA market. Even implementing Bachmann(US) for now would be great.
Hola buenas muchas gracias por mostrar las novedades en video abrazo grande muy bueno
It's a pleasure - glad you liked it! :D
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pmsl@the missing cat lolol.......accurascale are the dogs bollocks !!, and the new dapol coaches look amazing
I recently took sole ownership of mine and my Dad's huge OO collection after his death; I've always wanted to return to the hobby and wondered if now might be the time. After seeing the absolutely ridiculous prices Hornby are trying to charge, I've decided that there's no chance of this happening. They have killed any interest I might have had in buying new items. I would have been willing to spend £1,000 - £2,000 per year but I just can't bring myself to spend a single penny with them when you see what you'd get for your money.
Cheers Sam. Interesting news. 64XX looks pretty good but pricey as do the 47's but those Deltics and the 37's are amazing!!!! Interested in those dapol coaches. Sounds good. :-) Nice "poncey" bit too ;-)
Thanks mate! Yeah absolutely - so many great things to look forward to now! :D
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The GWR coaches seem pieces of Art.
They really do - so hoping they turn out good!
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I'd personally love to see you review a bachmann 64xx pannier. That was the first br model I ever purchased from Bachmann 6 or 7 years ago, I'd like to see if they've made any improvements and also your opinion of it!
XD I saw that Hornby notice on Kernow's website! Wondered if you were going to note that. Hat's off to Kernow for the stance, but I fear it won't be Hornby that is effected by it
Bachmann MK2f. Ordered it and then realised that it had no motor. How the hell have we gone from the first £100 coach to £150?.
One thing I don't understand. Heljan's ETHELs are the same price as their 25/3s because the motors and gears aren't expensive. Yet Hornby's dummy HST power car / surrogate DVT is £85, not half the £363 you'd pay rrp of a pair of power cars.
Hi Sam yes please review that 060 in GWR livery. Cheers for the update.
Hornby strikes again - still awaiting my locos from AS and fear a price increase as the specs are outstanding and note that DAPOL are about to bring out some DIESELS with SMOKE affects.....tell me more ! Anyone else fancy a 'dirty' CLASS 37 ....NOT on the range yet - keeping my fingers and toes crossed.
haha yes indeed! And good old Dapol - love what they've been doing recently :D
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Sam, you sucked me into buying the MSC Sentinel as I work for another firm named MSC. And of course I had to get a couple of tank wagons to go with it. 200 dollars I didn't know I needed to spend! Blimey as you guys say!
Ahh fantastic - but yep - a loco and some wagons sets you back a long way these days, lol! ;D
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Hello there Sam....you should do a pannier tank running session video....Never mind the diesels... Pannier Tanks are more beautiful.
Great idea Gabriel - that would be fun! :D
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You need to set up a community search in the local area to try and find your missing pet lion Sam lol. Those deltics are really tempting although I've already got two hornby ones and I like a bit of variety, but I suppose 3 can't hurt. Plus I think they're £130 on rails of Sheffield or at least they were so it can't be too bad. Really stepping up these smaller manufacturers perhaps the big guys should take a leaf out of their book.
Dang, I was hoping the 64XX would be a new tool so I could make a New Brunswick Green joke.
Hornby LBSC 100-s have ever been causing short circuits? I recently got my hand on one, I had to replicate it motor's missing brush arm, anyway it runs nice except from the motor taking 400 milAmps (and the loko runs way too fast for it kin) and some positons the wheels cause the train short out somehow (I don't know how).
Hey Sam, your link for ballast wagons are missing an H in the link, unable to click it :)
Yes please review the 45 and 67 GWR tanks
HI. Just checked Accurascale.. the line up looks very well put together... have you done any reviews on their product??? great channel....
It sure does! They haven't released much yet - but I'm planning to review their locos when they do :D
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Great Video, I did kinda think hornby's Lion was a scam announcement to annoy other manufactures......
When Bachmann showed off what was to come for the Thomas range earlier this month, they revealed that Salty would be coming out of retirement later this year. So if you're interested, you'll have a chance to get your hands on him and review him.
Yes I've heard about that!! Very interesting news about Salty :D
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Hi sam I hope you're ok
Ive decided to move to n gauge as 00 gauge is getting a bit to expensive for me
Hope you're okay too Lewis - that sounds fun, hope you enjoy N gauge :D
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Happy birthday Sam!
On the subject of prices, again. I look at e bay and auction houses on a daily basis. The prices have gone insane. So new prices have always pushed up second hand and more so it would seem now.
Yep absolutely - I suppose that's all part of the plan - to drive up the perceived value of these items!
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Those new Bachmann Pannier tanks look the business, but I'm actually more curious about Rapido's 15xx Pannier they've been working on awhile. I'd love to see a review when they come out, see if the extra 10 pounds is worth the Rapido build quality and more complicated valve gear.
If it's like some of the other Rapido locomotives and even the buses I have seen they will be good as Rapido pride themselves in doing great detailed models.
Yeah totally - the Rapido Pannier should be well worth looking at :D
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Sadly my payment increase is only 7% for the year, so until model encages come back i have to pass on everything. Heck even my birthday present 4 myself was a microtransaction in a videogame i play!
I am definitely getting some of the secr wagons when they come out, also I have recently bought a triang hornby sr luggage van!
Awesome! They do look amazing! And that sounds great - hope you enjoy
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I will aways tune in to mrn. if on TV I would watch every ep
I read Chris Leigh in model rail is having a side swipe at on line reviewers assessing expensive locos on the carpet and set track.
But most newcomers to railway modelling start with a layout on the carpet.
I got banned from RMWeb for disagreeing with a ridiculous comment from a Model Rail editor.
Ahh that's a pity - I try to be more professional than to swipe at other reviewers! ;)
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