I had an original Pullman set as a kid. Amazed to see it brought back to life and so took my wife on the Paignton Riviera excursion in August. Great memories of both - thanks!
Gee you have it good in the UK. Here in Australia, high-quality RTR local prototype carriages, such as the Auscision Victorian Railways E cars, or the Auscision XPT (our HST-lookalike) cars cost $150 each, or £76.84 at today’s conversion rate. That’s our reality, production runs are far smaller than over there as the scene is smaller so the economies of scale just aren’t there. And the reality is, for those of us who’ve been modelling for a few years, we were used to scratchbuilding, kitbashing, or modelling US/UK, so just having decent modern-standard RTR models available is something we’re glad for, even if they cost a premium compared to what is accepted as reasonable there. Cheers, Sam, keep up the good work and thank you for making it possible for us to see what’s available over there.
Lima's Australian stock was about as good as it got for budget Australian trains. But they were not prototype. They were made from other molds and just done up in Australian Livery. That's how they got around the economies of scale issue. I've got some including the Lima XPT. Triang and Hornby did the same thing. Eg Southern Aurora. However, second hand asking prices for all of them are now getting ridiculous. Just bought an Auscision 7 piece CountryLink second hand. My first Auscision ever in 50 years! It's heavy. (Die cast chassis) Sits steady on a track like a real train. (No rocking around.) It's dual engine / motors. (Probably to cope with the weight) It's highly detailed including light function in DC. It's WONDERFUL. But then, for the price I'd expect perfection. I've been holding out for 10 years or more for a cheaper Lima CountryLink. Hard to find, usually damaged, mixed carriage runs, only 2 carriages, etc and they still go for ridiculous prices. I got lucky and didn't pay much more for my as new but second hand Auscision than the equivalent 7 pieces in Lima. My Bemo Glacier Express (Swiss) engine and 5 carriage set (HO, not HOm) was about the same price as Auscision pricing. Rapido has the same issue. It does the Canadian Rocky Mountaineer and much more. Japanese in HO? LOL. Same story. The Japanese go for N gauge. I'm waiting for Bachmann to do something again! And yes, keep it up, Sam. Doing very well. I remember your early days when you had loose laid track on the carpet!
@@DualorProductions the shipping costs from UK to Oz are exorbitant lately, especially on a certain auction site, some 2nd hand PO wagons are sometimes 3-4 times the purchase price to ship! 😱
@@jibbsey Sorry I didn't mean on a per item singular basis, I was kinda meaning the trunk service where you could build up purchases and then ship them out in a single box. Mainly like with the purchase sam did for 5 coaches.
They should do a mystery box like they do with Airfix, though everyone would probably get half a dozen of the buffet cars, a steampunk loco and a lowmac carrying a big pop bottle.
Thanks Sam. I’m stunned how well they match against the Triang motor cars. As a set this makes a very affordable entry-level comparison with the Bachmann ‘proper’ Midland Pullman 6-car set. Your missing carriage is the Trailer Guard Second but it’s not needed when you run them with the Triang motor cars. Your points test highlights the effectiveness of the kinematic couplings. The tension locks give a massive gap between each carriage, though. Would be interesting to repeat the test using the magnetic and/or linked couplings. Now let’s see what you make of some Accurascale coaches!
Another great review from you, Sam! Good work In general, I love the design of the MK3s, particularly in the grey/white Swallow livery. But, there is just something about the blue Pullman look that hits SO differently! Definitely gonna keep my eye out so I can get a rake of these for myself. Thanks for inspiring me to make another purchase through your reviews, Sam! Owen 🙂
Absolutely lovely to see the original Blue Pullman power cars pulling a rake of these wonderful HST coaches. As you know, the Blue Pullman was a prototype of sorts for what would become the HSTs that we know today. Great review. Thanks Sam. 👍
That's an interesting take. The Blue Pullmans were I believe classed as DEMUs, with much smaller engines than HSTs and seating in the power cars, and part of the engine under the floor. In a way more similar to a Voyager than an HST, which was more akin to a top and tailed loco hauled train. The Blue Pullmans were comparatively slow (max speed 90 mph), not hard to see why given the small size of the engines and the fact that they sometimes ran as long as 8 car units.
Great looking coaches sam, theyre very smart and the livery is lovely! Now all you need is the 1:1 midland pullman hsts, to go with these, instead of the triang blue pullman! Great video as always sam :)
I remember the triang pullman the centre coaches were harder and dearer to obtain due to not enough being produced and in later years people would buy the set just to get another coach which meant the power and dummy ends were relatively cheap to pick up.
For $67.00 they should have running lights and interior lights, what the what! I do like the look of them, and they are worth what you paid so excellent buy. Gret review, Jersey Bill
I think so too - particularly in this day and age... and if they'd been cheaper, people might have built bigger rakes! No complaints from me though - happy with them for less than £20! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I always found it odd the Hornby HST locomotives did not come with any coaches since they are rarely seen without them. But I am glad you got some Mk3s as most of the time I see you run HSTs, you usually use whatever BR blue coaches you can find. 16:24 I do find it odd these cars have cosmetic knuckle couplers yet the drawbar couplers that look like knuckle couplers go into the NEM pocket and not where the cosmetic couplers are
I've got the full train and may have been one of the first to review them as the LSL Midland Pullman. They were good value when new back in 2022 at about £40 each when Bachmann coaches were hitting £60. However, for a whole train you need 9 coaches plus the Class 43 power cars at around £300+. That could explain the amount of coaches unsold, just too expensive to own a full train. I like this particular train so much I've got a whole suite of videos I've filmed (Playlist) about it, including adding the interior lights, adding a ModelU dedicated driver (difficult), correcting the wrong white-out window in the kitchen car, fitting the magnetic couplings supplied, along with full length running tests up and down inclines. They are indeed very good coaches and run very well. A metal chassis could cause a problem at full length with the magnetic couplings, being then too heavy. The real train is so shiny, I'm thinking of glossing them, as I have a video technique on how to do that too.
Hi Sam, a lovely looking rake. You make a very good point about how they can be knocked out so cheaply. If Hornby and certain other manufacturers were a bit more moderate we wouldn't see these 50% of rrp. Someone is still making a profit even with the distress selling. Cheers.
You should have done a mix and match of the couplings as you had 5 of them. Would have been nice to see the difference they made. But great review again. :)
Hi Sam, Mk3 coaches are 75ft in length, Mk1s & Mk2s are 67ft . As for bogie detail, the Mk3 was quite bare, as it had disc brakes instead of tread brakes like Mk1/Mk2 coaches. All other detail is hidden in the skirting. The LSL Pullman is a 9 car set 2 x HST power cars with 1 TGS, 2 RFBs & 6 TFOs. The models are from the Oxford range with a few tweaks. The lighting, as you said, is a separate entity using LED & a button cell battery controlled by a magnetic wand as was fitted to some of their pre-grouping stock. Another great film!
Looking smashing. One HST set in real life also bears this livery. And said Pullman HST passed through my area, Port Talbot, once. Or twice. Maybe more.
I always loved the HST trains in BR Blue/Grey and these look great - none of the modern liveries look quite as good I feel. I don't think I've ever seen the Pullman variant in person.
Have always loved 125’s and must have travelled 1,000s of miles in them over the years. Thought this livery really suited them so although knowing the power cars were no longer available or hideously expensive if rarely for sale on auction sites. Couldn’t resist at £20 a pop! Really pleased with them and run a rake of four with the loco pushing and pulling with no issues at all. Used the magnetic couplings and no issues either, even over the 2nd radius curves I have hidden in tunnels! I ran them with my old Triang Blue Pullman too with looks good although my Blue/grey HST doesn’t look bad either. Can see I would be tempted by the matching power cars if a pair was on sale and not at £1,000s!
If you are listening Hornby, how about a railroad Blue Pullman release of the HST. With so many coaches now in modellers hands I am sure a re-release would also sell out 👍
One of the things about MK3s is that not everyone is going to want prototypical length rakes, mainly because not everyone's going to have the space on their layouts to run them. Great video, Sam 👍
I have a feeling that many people would struggle to run trains with more than 3 bogie coaches. There is a nice looking train pack from EFE Rail that I have been drooling over, the former LSWR Cross Country sets. The pictures look promising, and they seem the perfect companions for my Southern Railway M7s. Unfortunately, there are 4 coaches in the Maunsell green pack. The stations on my larger layout can cope with trains with up to 3 coaches.
Not at all necessarily. For every 'runner of trains' there is a collector with no rails but who enjoys the ownership of the stock. I have ten complete train consists, all ten vehicles long, and not an inch of track. Yes, I would LOVE a railway, and I DO, DO, DO fully intend to have a small railway asap but I still want my medium-length trains in my collection. Proof in the pudding was Hornby's APT release in 2022. The prototype is 14 vehicles long and a great many people bought all of those coaches to replicate it. Also, the fact that Hornby Mk3 coaches on ebay in blue & grey, or InterCity liveries, easily demand £60 second hand.
It would be good if Hornby did a TT120 Midland Pullman with their HST models - one advantage of the Pullman is that it is used on railtours all over the country so would be OK on virtually any modern day layout.
I also bought these coaches (full rake) from Colletts, albeit a few months ago, and I got the last full set so they must have got more in for you to get some of the coaches? In regards to the BP HST packs, I believe more are coming and potentially the other 5 coaches from the short set
I think they are really nice. I recently bought a set of Intercity mk 4 as I didn't have any. I was considering more liveries but I don't have a big enough railway layout to run them on.
I'd be ok with production molded in base primer color that way they could be painted into any livery that the modeler so chooses for an even more reduced.price. Just have decal sheets available for coach numbers and possible road or coach names. This way skills can be developed by each individual
As it happens, I've just seen another channel review of the N guage Midland Pullman set with all 9 carriages .... Beautiful train.... thanks for the video 🙏😊
@@SamsTrains Picadilly Model Railway channel... It's the Dapol manufacturer... The detail (for N guage) is very good, also the crawl is also excellent... 🙏
The power cars were extremely popular and sold out very quickly. They should have made more. It was the same with the XC power cars, loads of coaches but no power cars available to haul them. Hopefully Accurascale will come to the rescue.....
Hi Sam, it’s not just the Mk3’s I picked up a small rake of Mk4’s from rails for the same price and I would argue the Mk3’s are more detailed. Great review! 😊👍
Got the matching power cars which are great, but only a couple of these MK3s as the cast wheels on them are dreadfully noisy when compared with any other coaches! Thanks for the review!
When Hornby first brought out the Mk3's they were very basic and you could add them to the power cars and make a full rake in various liveries but since the early days they have upped there game and made them much better compare to the 70's/80's when first introduced.
Well you know what’s gonna happen - sold out haha no surprise there. If you have a selection of HSTs but are looking to grab a Pullman at some stage now is the time to invest….. well if you can find them. Gonna try couple of other places and hopefully pick a full rack that will be cheaper than the train pack.. thanks same a great review, glade you did both coaches and a peak at what’s not inside. All best Marc from Leighton Buzzard
Nice review Sam, you could buy a rake of these coaches for an out of service drag with a different loco I suppose 🤔 I’ve got some Oxford MkIIIs which are nice coaches too, just the kinetic couplings are a bit fragile if you change the tension locks out for magnetic ones…. Also they don’t lend themselves to being taken apart very well, too much plastic & very flimsy. I’m wondering if the Hornby offerings are a little more robust? Cheers John b🥸
Hi Sam. Serious point to consider: When I unpack new locos, I'm becoming ever more conscious of tarnishing the paint finish. I've started to wear thin cotton gloves when unpacking and placing them on the layout. Is this something you've given any thought to?
Hi Stephen - I have to say I've never damaged a paint finish simply by handling a loco - most of them are more hard-wearing than that. I do make sure I wash my hands before hand, just to remove any grease or dirt etc... but if you want to do that, there's nothing wrong with being cautious! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam - Have you been watching Oscar Paisley Channel Lately??? He was just showing his rake of Tri-Ang Blue Pullman Carriages as well!!! 🤔Is it Blue Pullman Carriage Week or something???🚂🤔🤔🤔
Yes...but they 'rail tour' coaches. So any of the locos you see in the modern day you see working on rail tours. You could just pretend the rail tour company just hired the spare coaches :D Even the steam loco (for this reason) Tornado in blue not be out of place.
@@art0000t that’s true! A BR blue 37 would look great pulling these as well, and that could be a rail tour train. You could even use Flying Scotsman or something unusual like Met No. 1 since there are no proper coaches for that loco and it has done rail tours.
They do look pretty toy like with a great big gap in between each coach, close coupling on coaches have been available from European manufacturers for years.
While I’ll have to watch later, I wonder why the MP3’s are cheaper, and if the quality is any better than that of the local pound shop. XD thanks as always Sam
Hornby did some GWR ones a few years ago, both the slam door ones and the new sliding door ones, they may not be producing them right now but if you look online your sure to find some.
It is not whether the model has buffers or not that determines whether the coach is a Mk3 or Mk3a. In 'OO' model form, both types are absolutely identical (buffers aside) but Hornby for decades, and still right now, continue to produce both types, but both with buffers. The buffers are usually removeable if not wanted, but they leave holes in the beams. The only way to truly replicate either a Mk3 or a Mk3a is by the running number on the coach. Hornby have also often masqueraded HST Mk3s as Mk3a's so you have to be careful and know your coaches in order to be sure what you are buying.
Edit: Rails is all Sold Out now, but I suppose the question still stands haha. OK for the fans on RUclips or indeed Sam as well: for a novice who wants a rake of these for day-to-day running, how many and of what type do I need?
Saw this with only 5 hours since posting. All Pullman Mk3's at Rails are sold out. You have some pretty astute viewers. At another major retailer, they are 35.99.
Oddly enough I saw the real ones stopped at Rugby a couple of days ago. I wish i could have got a photo but i was driving. Apparently the mk3s can't be repurposed as hauled stock as they've got completely different wiring and are incompatible.
Less than £20 for a coach is the correct price as I am concerned. I am not surprised there were so many 1st opens as there were no 2nd class coaches used. Apart from the hst driving units, these coaches would look good behind the AL1 (class 81) etc. The only disappointing aspect is the ridiculous gap between the coaches - would the magnetic coupling have improved that??
Hi Sam. I recently got some of these MK3s EMT scheme. They were cheap on Rails of Sheffield. I agree with other comments. For the original price they should have internal lighting. I would have been very disappointed if I had spent £44 pet coach. I think they are very overpriced for what they are.
I have a lot of mk3 coaches from hornby and to be honest they are far better than the Oxford ones, now what I mean by that is the liveries, Oxford originally got the livery colours wrong on theirs while hornby got the livery colours right, I don’t have any Oxford mk3 although I might get one at some point to do a repaint on into a different coach, when it comes to the mk3 I have a lot of them in a range of different liveries also I have a few of the really old ones from hornby where they were shorter than they were supposed to be due to the really tight curves that were used in many layouts back then.
Hornby underestimated the popularity of the blue Pullman powercars, rather than overestimate the coaches. With the powercars completely sold out people who want to model the full train can't and so don't buy the coaches. Perhaps they could te-release the 43s in the railroad range
Hi again Sam. The original price ~50 GBP is of course rather ridiculous. ~20 Is much more like it. For a 50 they just look too plain, plasticy and rudimentary. Even the bogies do look a tad too crudely moulded (not sharp). However, the moulding in general does look rather cheapish, and many more features should have been included such as interior lights. However at ~20 they are quite ok.
i cant use my card on my google account... but i did have some ideas for you Running trains on the livestreams... although i cant list them all, cause its too big of a list ^^7
With coaches have you thought about rating how easy they are to open so that passengers could be added?
Great idea 👍
Great idea this
I would love this, so few show you how to do it never mind review it, and very few instructions with coaches these days
Or add lighting inside
Yeah that's a good idea - I will look at that for the future, thanks!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I had an original Pullman set as a kid. Amazed to see it brought back to life and so took my wife on the Paignton Riviera excursion in August. Great memories of both - thanks!
Gee you have it good in the UK. Here in Australia, high-quality RTR local prototype carriages, such as the Auscision Victorian Railways E cars, or the Auscision XPT (our HST-lookalike) cars cost $150 each, or £76.84 at today’s conversion rate. That’s our reality, production runs are far smaller than over there as the scene is smaller so the economies of scale just aren’t there. And the reality is, for those of us who’ve been modelling for a few years, we were used to scratchbuilding, kitbashing, or modelling US/UK, so just having decent modern-standard RTR models available is something we’re glad for, even if they cost a premium compared to what is accepted as reasonable there.
Cheers, Sam, keep up the good work and thank you for making it possible for us to see what’s available over there.
At £20 a pop, would it not be worth shipping them over, surely the £76 it costs you for one you could go towards the cost of shipping? 🥲
Lima's Australian stock was about as good as it got for budget Australian trains. But they were not prototype. They were made from other molds and just done up in Australian Livery. That's how they got around the economies of scale issue. I've got some including the Lima XPT. Triang and Hornby did the same thing. Eg Southern Aurora. However, second hand asking prices for all of them are now getting ridiculous.
Just bought an Auscision 7 piece CountryLink second hand. My first Auscision ever in 50 years! It's heavy. (Die cast chassis) Sits steady on a track like a real train. (No rocking around.) It's dual engine / motors. (Probably to cope with the weight) It's highly detailed including light function in DC. It's WONDERFUL. But then, for the price I'd expect perfection. I've been holding out for 10 years or more for a cheaper Lima CountryLink. Hard to find, usually damaged, mixed carriage runs, only 2 carriages, etc and they still go for ridiculous prices. I got lucky and didn't pay much more for my as new but second hand Auscision than the equivalent 7 pieces in Lima.
My Bemo Glacier Express (Swiss) engine and 5 carriage set (HO, not HOm) was about the same price as Auscision pricing. Rapido has the same issue. It does the Canadian Rocky Mountaineer and much more. Japanese in HO? LOL. Same story. The Japanese go for N gauge. I'm waiting for Bachmann to do something again!
And yes, keep it up, Sam. Doing very well. I remember your early days when you had loose laid track on the carpet!
@@DualorProductions the shipping costs from UK to Oz are exorbitant lately, especially on a certain auction site, some 2nd hand PO wagons are sometimes 3-4 times the purchase price to ship! 😱
@@jibbsey Sorry I didn't mean on a per item singular basis, I was kinda meaning the trunk service where you could build up purchases and then ship them out in a single box. Mainly like with the purchase sam did for 5 coaches.
@@DualorProductionswrong scale OO vs HO. Surprising how large UK models appear on a layout when mixed stock with HO.
They should do a mystery box like they do with Airfix, though everyone would probably get half a dozen of the buffet cars, a steampunk loco and a lowmac carrying a big pop bottle.
They have done in the past I believe - but they weren't cheap enough to risk it... pretty pricey!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
100 pounds for 5 coaches?!? Thats the best price I've seen from Hornby in ages! Great video Sam.
You can get the WSL Mk3s for the same price too
Thanks Sam. I’m stunned how well they match against the Triang motor cars. As a set this makes a very affordable entry-level comparison with the Bachmann ‘proper’ Midland Pullman 6-car set.
Your missing carriage is the Trailer Guard Second but it’s not needed when you run them with the Triang motor cars.
Your points test highlights the effectiveness of the kinematic couplings. The tension locks give a massive gap between each carriage, though. Would be interesting to repeat the test using the magnetic and/or linked couplings.
Now let’s see what you make of some Accurascale coaches!
Another great review from you, Sam! Good work
In general, I love the design of the MK3s, particularly in the grey/white Swallow livery. But, there is just something about the blue Pullman look that hits SO differently! Definitely gonna keep my eye out so I can get a rake of these for myself. Thanks for inspiring me to make another purchase through your reviews, Sam!
Owen 🙂
The "nice" caught me off guard and made me laugh way harder than I should have lol
Absolutely lovely to see the original Blue Pullman power cars pulling a rake of these wonderful HST coaches. As you know, the Blue Pullman was a prototype of sorts for what would become the HSTs that we know today. Great review. Thanks Sam. 👍
Really glad you liked that - I thought people would hate it because it's wrong! Love the old Tri-ang models!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
That's an interesting take. The Blue Pullmans were I believe classed as DEMUs, with much smaller engines than HSTs and seating in the power cars, and part of the engine under the floor. In a way more similar to a Voyager than an HST, which was more akin to a top and tailed loco hauled train. The Blue Pullmans were comparatively slow (max speed 90 mph), not hard to see why given the small size of the engines and the fact that they sometimes ran as long as 8 car units.
@@kevinfowkes2327 Yes, but they were a prototype of sorts, paving the way for HSTs. Power cars at each end with a train of coaches in between.
Great looking coaches sam, theyre very smart and the livery is lovely! Now all you need is the 1:1 midland pullman hsts, to go with these, instead of the triang blue pullman! Great video as always sam :)
Thanks a lot Jack - yeah true, I would be tempted if it came back!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrainsSam have you seen LazerJets collab idea?
I remember the triang pullman the centre coaches were harder and dearer to obtain due to not enough being produced and in later years people would buy the set just to get another coach which meant the power and dummy ends were relatively cheap to pick up.
I was lucky enough to be working on track a few weeks ago and had the Pullman class 43 pass me
Amazing bargain. Might have been interesting to fit the magnetic/permanent couplers to see how the kinematics worked on the curves or over the points.
For $67.00 they should have running lights and interior lights, what the what! I do like the look of them, and they are worth what you paid so excellent buy. Gret review, Jersey Bill
I think so too - particularly in this day and age... and if they'd been cheaper, people might have built bigger rakes! No complaints from me though - happy with them for less than £20!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I always found it odd the Hornby HST locomotives did not come with any coaches since they are rarely seen without them.
But I am glad you got some Mk3s as most of the time I see you run HSTs, you usually use whatever BR blue coaches you can find.
16:24 I do find it odd these cars have cosmetic knuckle couplers yet the drawbar couplers that look like knuckle couplers go into the NEM pocket and not where the cosmetic couplers are
I've got the full train and may have been one of the first to review them as the LSL Midland Pullman.
They were good value when new back in 2022 at about £40 each when Bachmann coaches were hitting £60. However, for a whole train you need 9 coaches plus the Class 43 power cars at around £300+. That could explain the amount of coaches unsold, just too expensive to own a full train.
I like this particular train so much I've got a whole suite of videos I've filmed (Playlist) about it, including adding the interior lights, adding a ModelU dedicated driver (difficult), correcting the wrong white-out window in the kitchen car, fitting the magnetic couplings supplied, along with full length running tests up and down inclines.
They are indeed very good coaches and run very well.
A metal chassis could cause a problem at full length with the magnetic couplings, being then too heavy.
The real train is so shiny, I'm thinking of glossing them, as I have a video technique on how to do that too.
Hi Sam, a lovely looking rake. You make a very good point about how they can be knocked out so cheaply. If Hornby and certain other manufacturers were a bit more moderate we wouldn't see these 50% of rrp. Someone is still making a profit even with the distress selling. Cheers.
You should have done a mix and match of the couplings as you had 5 of them. Would have been nice to see the difference they made.
But great review again. :)
It would be good to see one of these next to the original centre coach of the 1960s.
I had the Triang original Pullman when I was 5 years old. Ah, memories!
Sam, all you need to do now is print lots of buffers for the coaches so they would be suitable for normal usage.
I had a few old Hornby Mk3s back in 2012-2013. These look to be pretty decent!
Hi Sam,
Mk3 coaches are 75ft in length, Mk1s & Mk2s are 67ft . As for bogie detail, the Mk3 was quite bare, as it had disc brakes instead of tread brakes like Mk1/Mk2 coaches. All other detail is hidden in the skirting.
The LSL Pullman is a 9 car set 2 x HST power cars with 1 TGS, 2 RFBs & 6 TFOs. The models are from the Oxford range with a few tweaks. The lighting, as you said, is a separate entity using LED & a button cell battery controlled by a magnetic wand as was fitted to some of their pre-grouping stock.
Another great film!
Thanks a lot for sharing - really appreciate the extra info!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Mk1s were 64'6" for corridor stock, not 67'.
Great vid Sam. I have a rake of four GWR sliding door coaches (as per GWR castle set) which I got for about £30 each. I'm very pleased with them!
Ahh brilliant - can't go wrong for £30 can you?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was looking through my draws and I found the turkey mobile and its leaflet that you signed and I’m going to say thank you for signing it
Looking smashing. One HST set in real life also bears this livery. And said Pullman HST passed through my area, Port Talbot, once. Or twice. Maybe more.
I always loved the HST trains in BR Blue/Grey and these look great - none of the modern liveries look quite as good I feel. I don't think I've ever seen the Pullman variant in person.
Have always loved 125’s and must have travelled 1,000s of miles in them over the years. Thought this livery really suited them so although knowing the power cars were no longer available or hideously expensive if rarely for sale on auction sites. Couldn’t resist at £20 a pop! Really pleased with them and run a rake of four with the loco pushing and pulling with no issues at all. Used the magnetic couplings and no issues either, even over the 2nd radius curves I have hidden in tunnels!
I ran them with my old Triang Blue Pullman too with looks good although my Blue/grey HST doesn’t look bad either. Can see I would be tempted by the matching power cars if a pair was on sale and not at £1,000s!
If you are listening Hornby, how about a railroad Blue Pullman release of the HST. With so many coaches now in modellers hands I am sure a re-release would also sell out 👍
Now that would be something!!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
One of the things about MK3s is that not everyone is going to want prototypical length rakes, mainly because not everyone's going to have the space on their layouts to run them.
Great video, Sam 👍
I have a feeling that many people would struggle to run trains with more than 3 bogie coaches. There is a nice looking train pack from EFE Rail that I have been drooling over, the former LSWR Cross Country sets. The pictures look promising, and they seem the perfect companions for my Southern Railway M7s. Unfortunately, there are 4 coaches in the Maunsell green pack. The stations on my larger layout can cope with trains with up to 3 coaches.
@@richardlee653 I've seen them. They do look nice.
Yeah absolutely - reckon that was part of the problem too - brave of Hornby to produce these massive sets, risky business!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Not at all necessarily. For every 'runner of trains' there is a collector with no rails but who enjoys the ownership of the stock. I have ten complete train consists, all ten vehicles long, and not an inch of track. Yes, I would LOVE a railway, and I DO, DO, DO fully intend to have a small railway asap but I still want my medium-length trains in my collection. Proof in the pudding was Hornby's APT release in 2022. The prototype is 14 vehicles long and a great many people bought all of those coaches to replicate it. Also, the fact that Hornby Mk3 coaches on ebay in blue & grey, or InterCity liveries, easily demand £60 second hand.
It would be good if Hornby did a TT120 Midland Pullman with their HST models - one advantage of the Pullman is that it is used on railtours all over the country so would be OK on virtually any modern day layout.
I also bought these coaches (full rake) from Colletts, albeit a few months ago, and I got the last full set so they must have got more in for you to get some of the coaches? In regards to the BP HST packs, I believe more are coming and potentially the other 5 coaches from the short set
It's a shame that hornby didn't include light inside Sam, I would have liked to see that.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Yeah me too - not sure why they weren't included given the full price!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was surprised the intro music is that far much more like if it was americain! - 😂 Great review :)
I think they are really nice. I recently bought a set of Intercity mk 4 as I didn't have any. I was considering more liveries but I don't have a big enough railway layout to run them on.
I'd be ok with production molded in base primer color that way they could be painted into any livery that the modeler so chooses for an even more reduced.price. Just have decal sheets available for coach numbers and possible road or coach names. This way skills can be developed by each individual
As it happens, I've just seen another channel review of the N guage Midland Pullman set with all 9 carriages ....
Beautiful train.... thanks for the video 🙏😊
Ahh fantastic - bet that's impressive at N scale!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Picadilly Model Railway channel...
It's the Dapol manufacturer...
The detail (for N guage) is very good, also the crawl is also excellent...
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They did a Class 47 in the Blue Pullman livery. So you could use that to pull them.
Yeah that'd be good too - I'd probably want MK3a coaches for that though... not that I care too much about accuracy!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
sam is it possible for you to make your own version of the midland pullman include both units
The power cars were extremely popular and sold out very quickly. They should have made more. It was the same with the XC power cars, loads of coaches but no power cars available to haul them. Hopefully Accurascale will come to the rescue.....
Really like that blue livery but would’ve also been cool if they sold the regular swallows for that price
Yeah absolutely - though I bet those sell better at the higher prices!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I was glad to see on the rolling test the coach stopped to pick up the Doctor!
haha indeed - he probably orchestrated that!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, it’s not just the Mk3’s I picked up a small rake of Mk4’s from rails for the same price and I would argue the Mk3’s are more detailed. Great review! 😊👍
Ahh blimey - yeah I've heard those are even better... and they're certainly more versatile!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Got the matching power cars which are great, but only a couple of these MK3s as the cast wheels on them are dreadfully noisy when compared with any other coaches! Thanks for the review!
When Hornby first brought out the Mk3's they were very basic and you could add them to the power cars and make a full rake in various liveries but since the early days they have upped there game and made them much better compare to the 70's/80's when first introduced.
Yeah I think so too - really decent looking now!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks for blabbing about it and making all the £19.95 coaches sell out, I was saving up for some(!)
Aghh sorry for that! Have they all gone today?! That's crazy!
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Awesome video today Sam such beautiful coaches I hope hornby brings that locomotive back one day
Thanks a lot James - I'm sure it'll be back some time!
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Well you know what’s gonna happen - sold out haha no surprise there. If you have a selection of HSTs but are looking to grab a Pullman at some stage now is the time to invest….. well if you can find them. Gonna try couple of other places and hopefully pick a full rack that will be cheaper than the train pack.. thanks same a great review, glade you did both coaches and a peak at what’s not inside. All best Marc from Leighton Buzzard
Ahh are they gone now? Good luck - I'm sure you'll find some!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Gorgeous looking coaches
Hey Sam, where's Bullard I miss that moo cow, I love it when you use him in your videos
I've always wanted Mk3 coaches for my layout Sam, although for £19 I'll probably wait until the price comes down a little.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Thanks! Yeah they're cool aren't they? Doubt they'll come cheaper than that though!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
You should see the black and orange Mark 3 coaches we have in Ireland.
I wish there would be more affordable American stuff besides bachmann
You ought to try a Coronation carriage or two. A lot of money (when I bought a set!) but high quality.
Nice review Sam, you could buy a rake of these coaches for an out of service drag with a different loco I suppose 🤔
I’ve got some Oxford MkIIIs which are nice coaches too, just the kinetic couplings are a bit fragile if you change the tension locks out for magnetic ones….
Also they don’t lend themselves to being taken apart very well, too much plastic & very flimsy.
I’m wondering if the Hornby offerings are a little more robust?
Cheers John b🥸
Finally now get the HST
Oooh, handy! I have an actual Triang blue Pullman with only one coach!
Ahh excellent - there you go haha!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam. Serious point to consider:
When I unpack new locos, I'm becoming ever more conscious of tarnishing the paint finish. I've started to wear thin cotton gloves when unpacking and placing them on the layout. Is this something you've given any thought to?
Hi Stephen - I have to say I've never damaged a paint finish simply by handling a loco - most of them are more hard-wearing than that. I do make sure I wash my hands before hand, just to remove any grease or dirt etc... but if you want to do that, there's nothing wrong with being cautious!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
There could be a rerun by hornby as we've now got a Scottish pullman now so wait for that train pack or with staycation hst
They’re blue and grey, so for non rivet counters they’d look fine in an 8 car rake with a classic 70’s BR HST power car at each end.
Hey Sam - Have you been watching Oscar Paisley Channel Lately??? He was just showing his rake of Tri-Ang Blue Pullman Carriages as well!!! 🤔Is it Blue Pullman Carriage Week or something???🚂🤔🤔🤔
I think you should've tested the alternative couplings
And I'm sure they'll look good hauled by your steam locomotives, maybe pre grouping ones😂😂
£100 can’t even get you a Hornby Peckett anymore. That is some surprisingly good value for Hornby standards.
12:51 *@SamsTrains demonstrates the sprung air molecules*
Nice coaches! Even though you don’t have many matching locos I think these would probably look okay with BR Blue diesels!!
Yes...but they 'rail tour' coaches. So any of the locos you see in the modern day you see working on rail tours. You could just pretend the rail tour company just hired the spare coaches :D Even the steam loco (for this reason) Tornado in blue not be out of place.
@@art0000t that’s true! A BR blue 37 would look great pulling these as well, and that could be a rail tour train. You could even use Flying Scotsman or something unusual like Met No. 1 since there are no proper coaches for that loco and it has done rail tours.
Lazerjet has put a video out saying he wants to collaborate with you 😆 could be a fun idea sam ?
I have to report that not all the retailers had the savings passed onto them by Hornby 😢
MK1's were 57 ft 0 in (17.37 m) or 63 ft 6 in (19.35 m); MK2's 64 ft 6 in (19.66 m) and MK3's 75 ft 6 in (23.0 m) long
Awesome video Sam
Thanks Brian!
@SamsTrains you're welcome Sam 😊
They do look pretty toy like with a great big gap in between each coach, close coupling on coaches have been available from European manufacturers for years.
Are these the OXFORDMk3's ?
Im sure i had some coaches in a trainset in the 1970s where the doors opened and closed, could be wrong though 🤔
Yeah that rings a bell - I'll have to look those up!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
By definition, all Pullman coaches were first class, presumably this is the same with the HST conversion.
? Why the helper loco at the rear ?
Because that's what the HST is, a fixed trainset with a loco at both ends.
Many people have been fooled for a long time, their Teaks when I bought them were $50-60 USD.
While I’ll have to watch later, I wonder why the MP3’s are cheaper, and if the quality is any better than that of the local pound shop. XD thanks as always Sam
Hi Sam. Do you know if the real Mrk 3 coaches actually have any underbody detail or are the just plain closed appliance boxes?
Is there s reason why Hornby haven't made GWR version of these ? Or are they just trying to upsell the more detailed coaches ?
Hornby did some GWR ones a few years ago, both the slam door ones and the new sliding door ones, they may not be producing them right now but if you look online your sure to find some.
Yeah I think I remember seeing them too - they'll most likely come back again if they were popular!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It is not whether the model has buffers or not that determines whether the coach is a Mk3 or Mk3a. In 'OO' model form, both types are absolutely identical (buffers aside) but Hornby for decades, and still right now, continue to produce both types, but both with buffers. The buffers are usually removeable if not wanted, but they leave holes in the beams. The only way to truly replicate either a Mk3 or a Mk3a is by the running number on the coach. Hornby have also often masqueraded HST Mk3s as Mk3a's so you have to be careful and know your coaches in order to be sure what you are buying.
Maybe they should make some nice coaches in TT-scale. 😏
So cool video sam
Have LSL ever run the Midland Pullman set with non matching Class 43s? I'm sure they have but can't say 100%
Yes all the time they usually only have one end in pullman livery you can see plenty of example videos on RUclips
Edit: Rails is all Sold Out now, but I suppose the question still stands haha.
OK for the fans on RUclips or indeed Sam as well: for a novice who wants a rake of these for day-to-day running, how many and of what type do I need?
If anyone wants any more Hornby had these on sale at the factory in Margate this weekend at £15 (Wonder works)
Saw this with only 5 hours since posting. All Pullman Mk3's at Rails are sold out. You have some pretty astute viewers. At another major retailer, they are 35.99.
Oddly enough I saw the real ones stopped at Rugby a couple of days ago. I wish i could have got a photo but i was driving.
Apparently the mk3s can't be repurposed as hauled stock as they've got completely different wiring and are incompatible.
Ahh excellent - yeah that's right, designed just for the HST I believe?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Less than £20 for a coach is the correct price as I am concerned. I am not surprised there were so many 1st opens as there were no 2nd class coaches used. Apart from the hst driving units, these coaches would look good behind the AL1 (class 81) etc. The only disappointing aspect is the ridiculous gap between the coaches - would the magnetic coupling have improved that??
(Laughs) 😂
I’ve always got my whole pack set of “BLUE PULLMAN HST” is Nine of them are MK3 Coaches and One of is x2 Class 43 Power Car Locomotives.
Ahh excellent - bet those are a sight to behold!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam. I recently got some of these MK3s EMT scheme. They were cheap on Rails of Sheffield. I agree with other comments. For the original price they should have internal lighting. I would have been very disappointed if I had spent £44 pet coach. I think they are very overpriced for what they are.
Thanks Rob - yeah pity about the lighting, otherwise not too bad at all!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains they are really good coaches. Great video mate.
I have a lot of mk3 coaches from hornby and to be honest they are far better than the Oxford ones, now what I mean by that is the liveries, Oxford originally got the livery colours wrong on theirs while hornby got the livery colours right, I don’t have any Oxford mk3 although I might get one at some point to do a repaint on into a different coach, when it comes to the mk3 I have a lot of them in a range of different liveries also I have a few of the really old ones from hornby where they were shorter than they were supposed to be due to the really tight curves that were used in many layouts back then.
Looks like the 69s are all coming out this time, nice. 😉
I do wonder how many people watching this get the meme :P
hahaha!
Hornby underestimated the popularity of the blue Pullman powercars, rather than overestimate the coaches. With the powercars completely sold out people who want to model the full train can't and so don't buy the coaches. Perhaps they could te-release the 43s in the railroad range
Good fodder for repainting if the prices drop more
Hi again Sam. The original price ~50 GBP is of course rather ridiculous. ~20 Is much more like it. For a 50 they just look too plain, plasticy and rudimentary. Even the bogies do look a tad too crudely moulded (not sharp). However, the moulding in general does look rather cheapish, and many more features should have been included such as interior lights. However at ~20 they are quite ok.
Yeah I think £20 is a lot more like it - I've seen £50+ coaches and these aren't those!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
i cant use my card on my google account... but i did have some ideas for you Running trains on the livestreams... although i cant list them all, cause its too big of a list ^^7
Nice video on channel thanks lee
The lights you have to buy separately And fit yourself.
Lazer jet asthma for ast cilab.
Yeah man
Seems the price has gone back up. Just checked rails. Now £38 or each.
Still there at 19.95 just now out of stock due to the promotion
Ahh interesting - do keep an eye out for sure!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
0:43 If you look closely, the boxes nearly fell