@@rwbimbie5854 One thing I don't like about the Remingtons is that they are heavy and long, and more like dragoon pistols. When you go to Cabela's in person and look at their Piettas, you will want a Colt almost every time. They point good, they are lighter, and better for natural shooters. Cavalry favored Remingtons. Cowboys liked Colts. It was a Right Twix, Left Twix kind of thing.
if you got a pietta, did the small spur that holds the loading lever ever fall off? Mine did, and the only way to attach it back onto the bottom of the barrel is by soldering it :(
@@GunsOfTheWest Trust me, Dustin. Unlike some BP video creators at RUclips, you do NOT ramble. You get right to the point. Your videos are my favorites on BP.
Owned both revolvers. The Remington is stronger being it has the steel frame and top. But just something about the Colt makes it feel sleeker and faster from the holster.
I recently ordered me an Uberti 1858 Remington style new model army .44 revolver from Dixie gun works and a Howell fluted 6 shot .45 colt cartridge conversion cylinder for it. I love the Remington style for 3 main reasons. How easy the cylinder comes out and goes back in which makes cartridge conversion easy and less screws to deal with than a colt style so it’s easier to take apart to work on and because it’s less screws it’s less likely to get seized up screws. Last of all I love how when shooting it with the percussion cylinder there is no cap swallowing
I’ve heard of guys either rounding the edges of the notch off a bit, or filling the gap entirely with JB weld and ignoring that feature of the reproductions entirely.
I think the Colt is a prettier gun, but having both the 1858 and the 1860, I think the Remington is a superior design - the barrel wedge will eventually loosen up, and then losing those things starts becoming an issue. Extra cylinders for the 1858 don't cost very much and it's a snap to reload (even better than the modern'ish Ruger). In my experience they tend to gum up equally fast.
Purchased a 1851 navy as my first cap and ball revolver from sportsman's warehouse, and I am in love! Thanks for all the helpful videos. They should pay you for selling so many revolvers for them!! (Seriously)
I have both also. I'm a remington fan myself. The colt has good points that I like but i've always been more comfortable with the remington. Use a good lube over the ball and you wont run into the powder fouling as quickly. JMO the colt has a better point and shoot without using the sights where as the remington is better point of aim point of impact. Also if you have large hands the remington may not work well for you. I know several people that complain about their finger getting beat up by the back of the trigger guard. Both excellent guns in their own rights.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the difference. I like and purchased the 1858 new army. I think I made the better choice for me. I can imagine ( in the old days ) someone in the field trying to do work on their gun and because of nervousness from the battle dropping lose parts so the new army would be best. Also I plan on getting a conversion to modern ammo and the solid frame would bet better. Thanks again.
It is my understanding the Colt was factory made to shoot at extreme range during battle - hence it shoots very high up close. IIRC it was made to shoot at 100 yards. For me, both Colts I've owned shot about 5" high at 25 yards. On my .44 Navy, I replaced the front sight with a custom aluminum pin that I sanded until it was right on, then epoxied in. Ever since, the gun has been right on at any reasonable range (ie within 50 yards). The Colt rear sight suffers from being small, compared to most modern sights. It gets harder to use when you get older - but it does not suffer from accuracy loss from being on the hammer. In actual use, once the front sight is replaced with a higher one, there is no noticable windage inaccuracy - up and down and side to side are both about the same - and both quite acceptable when you take your time aiming. My 1851 and 1860 are surprisingly accurate. My Remington is quite accurate also, although I prefer shooting Colts (lighter, easier to cap, point better, and can shoot longer before the cylinder arbor starts binding due to fouling).
I have both the 1860 Colt and I have the 1858 Remington New Model Army. The Remington in my opinion if you're going to have extra cylinders or conversion cylinder it comes out on top because it makes it easier to switch out cylinders. There is a simple fix for the hammer on the Colt 1860 to make it shoot point of aim and to eliminate the cap sucking. I have several other black powder revolver but these two are my favorites.
Good point in the video about the grip shape in the original Colt pistols varying with model. The 1851 Navy did have the best grip, and why it was used in the 1873 cartridge gun.
The only drawback to the Remington is that the loading lever is a little more fragile than the Colt, because of the toggle link. But it does work very well, just be a little careful with it. You may also hear stories about two or more chambers going off at once, but in thirty + years of shooting mine, I've never had it happen. Both guns are excellent! You owe it to yourself to own both!
@Jim Man You're not kidding about misinformed people! Many of these gun writers are outright idiots, and a lot of bad information has been put out there. Guess it's up to us to give folks the right info!
william nye , I had one of those chain fires going off you spoke of. It was a well lubed chamber, but a loosely fitted cap. That was 20 years years ago, and I still shoot mine regularly...but it did occur.
@@RabbitusMaximus It may well be ill-fitted caps that cause the problem. I've always been kinda finicky about my caps, so maybe that's why I've had no trouble with it. I very seldom lube the chambers.
As long as you use a properly sized and generously lubed patch between powder and bullet, the odds of a chain fire is basically zero. The problem comes when people forget their patch.
@@RabbitusMaximus Covering your chamber with grease can help a bit, but really it's a mess not worth the effort and excess use of lube. It doesn't solve the chain fire problem very well... Simply use a properly sized, generously lubed wad between the powder and the bullet. This will make your chances of chain fire basically zero.
I like to use them as a pair. I use paper cartridges for the Colt and preloaded cylinders for the Remington. Speeds up loading quite a bit and I also had my Colt smithed to fix the cap jam possibility.
Definitely the Colt Vs Rem video I was looking for. Still hard to choose between the pretty Colt and the more modern Remington! I will probably get the Remington.
I own both and agree with everything you said about them. My main complaint with the Remington is that the small grip in relation to the trigger guard tends to beat up my middle finger if I don't pay close attention to my grip. Colt wins for the cool factor of its open top & beautiful lines, Remington wins for being a more beefy, reliable & accurate gun, but it is a newer generation in design than Colt which pretty much used the same basic design for 20 years. Having said that I still prefer Colts.
The big advantage of the Remington is that, if you carry pre loaded cylinders, all you have to do is swap to reload. See Clint Eastwood's Preacher in the movie Pale Rider.
I still prefer the 51 navy and 62 police. Love my .36cals. Had a few Remington clones and always just end up converting or selling them. Couldn't bare to part with my colts.
I feel the same about the 62 police. The 60 army style frame and contours is really nice. The Colts provide plenty of hand/ finger room. The one thing Remmingtons come short on unless they are modified. The so-called sheriff's models with 5.5 inch barrels are nice, but don't have the range as a 8 inch barrel. I don't hunt with them, so it's not a problem.
Hey I know this video is 4 years old but I was hoping you could just give me a quick answer. I am about to get my first black powder revolver, actually my first gun period. It would either be a Colt 1860 Army or a Remington 1858, both made by Pietta and both in .44. For a first time user, what do you think would be better pick?
Deburring that hammer notch does wonders to prevent cap sucking in the Colts. The classic cowboy pointing the Colt skyward while cocking trick was meant to throw spent caps that were sucked off clear of the mechanism. That all becomes wasted motion with careful deburring of the hammer notch.
I own both the 1860 Colt Army and the 1858 Remington in .44, but I also have the Ruger Old Army .45 which is hands down the greatest smoker (or non-smoker, yes you can use smokeless powder in the Ruger with absolutely no problems.), ever made. I love all of them.
I prefer the Remington, as far as the base pin, you can file shallow notches so it will hold some lube, that helps with fouling quite a bit, check out Blackie Thomas, he has some great videos on modifying both the Remington and colts for reliability, all and all great video Dustin! Keep them coming!
Yes. I am a CNC machinist, so I have access to one (when production gets slow anyway). I would also make my own parts but would have to buy a pallet and possibly run time on the machine. Would be more than what it's worth in the end.
"Ach du lieber", senor Dustin! Very nice review on these two great guns. But one thing you neglected to point out was the "ease" of cleaning the barrels. On the Remington, you really need a "bore snake" to PULL THROUGH the bore, or simply clean from the muzzle, as some gun guys don't like because of (long term) wear at the muzzle & rifling. On the Colt, you simply take off the barrel & clean from the barrel breech (forcing cone) TOWARDS the muzzle. Many pros & cons for both guns though. Both guns are beautifully designed. I've always felt that the 1860 Colt Army was the most "gorgeous" revolver ever designed, mainly because of that beautifully sculptured barrel & the beautiful long grip curves! There's something very "sexy" about those Colt curves!!! "Gesundheit" & pass da "Lutefisk" und saurbrauten poleaze!
@@jamesburk2544 That old Colt just seems to radar in on the target and feels so natural to me. No so with the Remington. Don't get me wrong I love shooting them both.
Excellent info. I tend to believe that the 51 may have been more popular with the population than the 60. Good thing I like them all. Thanks again my friend.
I preferred the Colt, because of the base pin that allowed it to stay operative longer. But what I really found objectionable about the Remington was the SHAPE of the grip! It is very small at the top and, even in my smallish hands, kept me from maintaining a firm grip on the gun when firing. Remington must have known that was a problem, because they corrected the issue with their 1875 cartridge models.
Just purchased a pietta 1858 44 Cal army 8 in. Barrel like a Ruger old army I use to own I think the weight of it helps stabilize while shooting and the solid frame gives the gun better longevity especially shooting the heavier loads. Nice break down of the two pistols, hat's off to you buddy
like the colt. big positive is being able to use the lever to lift the barrel off of the arbor. also able to easily get lube onto the arbor. 2 very important things in extended shooting.
Ive just got a remington a week ago and ive broken it in and added slix shot nipples and i think i perfer the remington a lot more. The colts action is a lot better, smoother, and crisp but i love how reliable the remington is and the sights are so much better.
I really like the grip, of the 60 Army. Also, the 60 Army feels sleeker & smoother. I shoot my 2 60 Armys, 1 Uberti & 1 Pietta, better than ALL my other C&B revolvers. They may be dethroned, by my Dance Brother Revolver, the more I shoot it. The Remington excels, though with cartridge conversion cylinders.
Great presentation. In the narrative, you say REAR SIGHT while pointing to the front sight. I read accounts of both pistols used the the Civil War. The Colt was the most issued of course but I read of many Union officers who bought or "aquired" the Remington's by choise; I read of one account of two model 58s, one one the belt and a second on the saddle opposite the saber. There were opinions that they did not like the cap/in/the/action problem and they wanted the more solid pistol when mixing it up with their opponents. If I were to aquire one of these, I believe it would be the Model 58. Thanks
I just bought last month the 1858 Remington 36 cal (Uberti steel reproduction) for my very first BP. The main reason for choosing it over Colt is the continuous reliability of shooting it round after round without misfire or without cap-sucking issues which normally happens to Colt. I have been to the firing range twice already and had really good fun shooting the Remington. I did not do any modification, filing, slicking, gunsmithing, etc with my Remington. I just use it and enjoy recreational target shooting. Another reason why I like Remington is the ease of switching cylinders. I just got another Remington by Pietta.
Some capping tools don't work well on the Remington. If you pull the nipple you can open up the slot with the small drum sanding too on a dremil. A little cold blue and a good cleaning is all it takes to even use a Ted Cash snail for putting on the caps. For the cylinder pins on both the Colt and Remington I use a stock universal lithium grease. Last Balistol is the best cleaner lube I've ever found for black powder peroid. And I tried a lot.
Great video I just found your channel my first black powder was a Remington 58 or New model army I had that for about 10 years in about 3 years ago I got the 60 Colt.mine are both pietas I have shot almost everything that is made from uberti to stuff they don't even make any more and I like both of them but if I had to go in the battle the Remington would be the one that I would choose you can preload cylinders and change them very quickly there's no wedge to lose in the field but I like both of them and everyone should know how to use a Black powder cap and ball or cap and conical ball revolver or rifle everyone should know how to use one. as I humiliate people on the shooting range when they show up with the latest and greatest and I outperform than with the ancient stuff everyone should know how to use one.ps I am not a great Marksman. I leave that up to make Bellevue that's another good channel that's how I found yours.
Most benefits with A Remington. But less attractive to look at. Im starting to like the Colt more. Cos it feels nice to see when the cylinder aligns perfect on top. And somewhat amusing to take it apart. Also the sound of cocking it is louder? C 7:32 R 7:48
I always enjoy your vids, very informative. But a suggestion if I may. Black guns do not photograph well on white backgrounds. The camera closes down the aperture to compensate for the bright white leaving just a black outline to represent the firearm. I would try using a grey or tan background, some use an unfolded cardboard box to good effect.
That’s good to know. The background though is actually not white; it’s dark green. The white is added later. Still, a good observation though. Thanks! I’m looking into getting some better lights to make things show up better. Thanks for watching!
My experience has it that the Remington is more reliable, less susceptible to gumming up due to fouling, and it doesn't allow caps to fall back into the hammer and jam up the action. It's a well thought-out, superior design, but heck me if I don't love how the colts look. If you're only buying one, get the Remington.
I got the Remy first...enjoyed shooting it, but having to stop and clean it after two or three cylinders because of fouling was a drag. Then I got the 1858 Colt Sheriff and the 1851 Navy. Both Colts can shoot all day without having to stop, take them apart, clean, then reassemble to shoot again. And it mad no difference with any of the guns whether I used real or synthetic black powder. Love them all, anyway.
Nice video. I have owned a few of each. I prefer the '58, as it's more reliable (except for the loading lever). I also find it a better candidate for cartridge conversion, and I really do like the trigger better. I'm not a fan of the hammer spur angle on the '58 though. For the colt, I like the decreased weight and size. I also like the modular set up: If a guy shoots Colts (and stays with 1 manufacturer) he can end up with multiple barrel lengths, and multiple grip frames. You quickly swap between Army, Navy and birdshead grips, and swap on a '51 octagon barrel. The Colts, can be so cheap that it's totally worth buying a second gun to strip the barrel and grip frame.
i have both of these guns and one huge advantage the Remington has that you didn't point out is it has the ability to reload extremely quick by having extra cylinders already loaded and capped. I have a holster belt that has 6 pouches for preloaded cylinder swaps. I load the cylinders and cover the business end with grease, which prevents a accidental discharge and keeps my powder dry and lubricates the barrel. On the other end I pre-cap the nipples and use a little paraffin wax to hold the caps on the nipples. thereby sealing every thing up. I have fired cylinders that have been loaded for months or a year and I haven't had any problems. I don't have a second or to lag caused by damp powder, and I can reload in 30 secs no problem. I am sure in a battle or gunfight that would make a huge difference in living or dyeing. This is the main reason that to me the Remington is far superior to the Colt in real life or death situations.
I own a dragoon, 2 51s, a 60 and a 58. I have 12 cylinders for the colts and I have left them loaded for over a year and the shot great. Same with the Remington. I love both makes and I have a conversation with my 58. But I took my 60 grip and put it with my 51 sheriff barrel, and that is the sweetest gun. To me the best feature is the colts are interchangeable with both the 60 and the 51. I like the 51 barrel and the 60 grip and frame is outstanding. I love them both though. Great guns
I too have one of each. The Colt 1860 is very pretty, well balanced and lighter then the Remington. But, because it is an open top revolver, keep your loads light. The Remington 1858 is a heavier gun, but very durable and stout and can handle larger powder charges and bullets. If you want a Cap and Ball revolver too shoot a lot, get the Remington. As for the Cylinder pin on the Remington, use of a over powder wad will greatly reduce pin fouling. Also figure out just how much powder you need. Too much powder will cause more fouling because it will not combust in the barrel completely, and you will blow a lot out the barrel. Good luck, have fun, and shoot safe.
Over the years I've seen both blown up. The Colt I saw blew out the top of the cylinder and didn't seem to cause any other serious damage, the Remington on the other hand also blew the top of the cylinder and took the top strap with it, irreparably ruining the frame. On both the idiots used smokeless powder. Back when the Colt was originally designed cylinder steel was unreliable so maybe Old Sam had that in mind with the open top design. If you hit someone over the head the Remington would probably hold up better, but either one is strong enough to handle any full load.
Well having shot both plenty of I absolutely had to use one of those instead of a modern gun I'd take the Remington just because I can use it's sights better and shoot it more accurately.
I am totally new on black powder guns. Ordered a Desperado from American Gun Craft and trying to learn as much as possible. Now I want a 1800s revolver too. Seeing this great video I think I like the Remmington the most. I would like something the Confederate would use.
Just found your channel. It’s great. I have to say I like the Remmington better than the colt. I like the idea of having the top strap. I believe it makes the pistol more rigid, That’s just my opinion.
One thing no one mentions is repair and parts availability today, colts are completely modular vs Remington which you can only replace internal parts. Damage a colt frame $100 bucks to buy a new block, damage a Remington frame and throw the gun away, also you can take that 1860 army spend $100 and slap a navy barrel on it, can’t swap anything on the Remington.
I have a Brass Frame 1860 Colt Army that I bought 2nd. hand. I paid $75.00 for it. The price and finish were Nice. A Smooth, if somewhat heavy spring on cocking. After I got home is when I noticed that it Did Not have a Manufacturer anywhere on the gun. The Serial # is in front of the Trigger Guard and Begins with a Capital "E" + a 5 Digit Serial #. I have proof marks of "BN" Inside of a box. PN that is under a 5 Point Star inside of a Circle. And, Next to that is a Small Circle over another Box. There in something inside of the Circle but I can't make out what it is. Maybe another Star. The Box has what looks like a Pentagon with an "X" stamped from corner to corner in the box plus a Horizontal Line across the center of the box. The Same Marks are on the Right side of the barrel Also. The Barrel is Stamped on the Right Hand Side. SM Black Powder Only Cal. 44 Made In Italy just above the Charging Handle. Would you have an Idea of Who the Manufacturer of the piece would be? The Cylinder on this gun doesn't have the small pins that you mention as a "Safety Feature". It was Never Drilled for them.
I can see an advantage with the remington, you could have preloaded spare cylinders that would be easier to insert when the installed one has been emptied.
Another feature of the Remington is that you could carry pre-loaded spare cylinders which allowed for very rapid reloading. In the final shootout of "Pale Rider" you can see "The Preacher" swapping cylinders in his Remington. Though it appears to be a cartridge conversion, it's still faster than ejecting and loading individual rounds through the loading gate.
Starr is better. there I said it. That was a pretty good overview of the differences. The Remington is more modern but the colt just feels so great in the hand.
The Starr company had the same problem most gunmakers of the day had - Not enough cash to push its products marketing wise. They did not get the exposure that Colt, S&W and Remington got from wider War between the States use.
I to like my Starts no base pin Arbor problems here. The National Congress of Old West Shooting let's us use double action revolvers if period correct.
From a strictly engineering point of view, Remington gets it. But just like he says it comes down to personal preference. How does it feel in your hand, and how do you feel shooting it. (just like All firearms) Good Work man👍
Okay. Did you like the Beatles or the Stones? But like most of us boomers, there was room for the both of them, and more. My dad left me his guns, he collected both of them: C and R. I think he liked them both. Miss him so much now. I wish he was here now. Damn, I should have spent more time with him. Now, I have the time to see what he was doing, he is gone. Well, I will learn about these C&B guns and shoot them in his honor.
With the "cap sucking" issue of the colt. Has anyone tried to V out the notch or fil it in then V it out so the cap doesn't have parallel surfaces to grip onto???
Have both myself. I have 2 Remingtons, one is the 44 Sheriff (5.5'barrel) the other 1858 is the 36 cal. version. I also have a 2nd generation 1851 Colt. Love them all but I do like the balance of the Colts better. I watch your channel and several of the other black powder channels and enjoy them all. I have not found any of them that has done a video on the 1858 Remington in 36 caliber. I've caught a few that have done them but they are from other countries and can't understand a thing they say. LOL Maybe your next gun you buy should be the 36 caliber 1858. Do you know if they are historically accurate? Did they make them back then? Anyways, another good informative video. Keep them coming.
I would love to use a brace of remingtons as carry guns on my Alaska property, but they won’t reliably stop an 800 pound grizzly, and I have to have that stopping power where I am at... guess I have to stick with the .454 as my pistol and do my hunting with a black powder rifle or my long bow...
I own a colt navy, brilliant gun. Ill definitely own a Remi someday. In my opinion the Remi is a bit more sophisticated and well engineered, but no other gun on earth has that perfect silhouette of an open top Colt. Aesthetics, the colt beats the remi every time to me. But, like I said. MUCH love for the remi, and I will absolutely have one
Have you had any issues with new guns that may effect how smoothly they operate when new? I’ve seen saw videos that have stated that some of the new guns need some polishing. I enjoyed your video. Thank you for your work.
Before I actually started shooting black powder I assumed the Remington was better being a more modern design. But given how stiff the cylinder on my colt gets after 30 or so shots I can only imagine how gunked up that remington cylinder axis pin gets! That said one day I have to get a nice Remington. It looks awesome. Kind of like the Whitney revolvers. I do wonder why Remington didn't cut fouling groves inside the hole of the cylinder rather than the pin; I get the pin is too thin to do that to it, but figure they could have essentially rifled grooves through the central cylinder hole, to accomplish the same thing...
I'll take the Colt over the Remington - it is a more natural pointer (in my hands, but a lot of Colt owners bring this up), the cylinder arbor is slower to foul, and it is easier to cap. 98% of the time I grab the Colt, its more fun for me.
I live i Sweden and are thinking of buying a Remington 44 from 1862. It will cost 22 000 to buy it, in Swedish Crowns and it’s about 2369 Dollars. Is the price good? The revolver has the same gun number on almost all of the pieces on the revolver. Is it a good buy?
for me its the Remington, nothings more annoying than when the colt pulls a primer off too soon especially when I'm in engine territory getting arrows shot at me as I ride into the sunset with the gang on my horse Wilbur
@@markd5625 Back in the day, those pistols were both sighted at the factory to hit a mansize target at 75 yards. I own several of the replicas of each and they are all accurate out to that distance. I'll bet he's shooting at a much closer target.
As others have noted, the Colt is sighted in at the factory for a longer range (about 100 yards). If it shoots that high it's because he's shooting at a substantially closer target than it's sighted for.
I saw a felon who has a short barreled Colt that he conceals on the belt part of his waist bag under his shirt. He carries it with 5 on an empty chamber. Inside the waist pack he has a full sized Remington with extra cylinders
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It's just one of those situations where you're going to end up owning both or you'll never be satisfied.
I could not have said it better myself
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Absolutely true! I've got a cartridge conversion cylinder in my Remington, it now shoots .45LC, and I love it even more.
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Just bought my pair, I'm hooked!
If you only get one. Get a Remington.
If you want to collect. Still get a Remington, you'll have plenty of Colts soon enough.
As a Texan, I find the Remington cylinders lack of Naval Battle _disturbing_
A proper revolver has the TEXAS NAVY on it
@@rwbimbie5854 fluted cylinders or bust
@@rwbimbie5854 thats why you lost
RWBimbie, the Walkers and the Dragoons don't...
@@rwbimbie5854 One thing I don't like about the Remingtons is that they are heavy and long, and more like dragoon pistols. When you go to Cabela's in person and look at their Piettas, you will want a Colt almost every time. They point good, they are lighter, and better for natural shooters. Cavalry favored Remingtons. Cowboys liked Colts. It was a Right Twix, Left Twix kind of thing.
I am getting a 1858 Remington because of the quick cylinder change, the more straight edge and square design, and Clint Eastwood from Pale Rider.
if you got a pietta, did the small spur that holds the loading lever ever fall off? Mine did, and the only way to attach it back onto the bottom of the barrel is by soldering it :(
"...and me rambling on abut each of them." -HA!!! Thanks for the terrific info, Dusty!
LOL!! You bet, Santee!
@@GunsOfTheWest Trust me, Dustin. Unlike some BP video creators at RUclips, you do NOT ramble. You get right to the point. Your videos are my favorites on BP.
Robert Blevins Thanks very much!
Owned both revolvers. The Remington is stronger being it has the steel frame and top. But just something about the Colt makes it feel sleeker and faster from the holster.
I agree. Thanks for watching!
The Colt is way more handsome
@@michaelratliff905 colt handsom, true dat. I never saw a pretty work horse.(Remington)
For me it's because the Remington has a rather large front sight and that always gets caught on my holster
I feel like the colt points better like it's an extension of your arm.
I recently ordered me an Uberti 1858 Remington style new model army .44 revolver from Dixie gun works and a Howell fluted 6 shot .45 colt cartridge conversion cylinder for it. I love the Remington style for 3 main reasons. How easy the cylinder comes out and goes back in which makes cartridge conversion easy and less screws to deal with than a colt style so it’s easier to take apart to work on and because it’s less screws it’s less likely to get seized up screws. Last of all I love how when shooting it with the percussion cylinder there is no cap swallowing
I own both, but cap sucking on the Colt can drive me crazy sometimes. I think if I lived back at that time, I would opt for the Remington.
Just smooth the edges off.
I’ve heard of guys either rounding the edges of the notch off a bit, or filling the gap entirely with JB weld and ignoring that feature of the reproductions entirely.
I think the Colt is a prettier gun, but having both the 1858 and the 1860, I think the Remington is a superior design - the barrel wedge will eventually loosen up, and then losing those things starts becoming an issue. Extra cylinders for the 1858 don't cost very much and it's a snap to reload (even better than the modern'ish Ruger). In my experience they tend to gum up equally fast.
Purchased a 1851 navy as my first cap and ball revolver from sportsman's warehouse, and I am in love! Thanks for all the helpful videos. They should pay you for selling so many revolvers for them!! (Seriously)
I have both also. I'm a remington fan myself. The colt has good points that I like but i've always been more comfortable with the remington. Use a good lube over the ball and you wont run into the powder fouling as quickly. JMO the colt has a better point and shoot without using the sights where as the remington is better point of aim point of impact. Also if you have large hands the remington may not work well for you. I know several people that complain about their finger getting beat up by the back of the trigger guard. Both excellent guns in their own rights.
Agreed. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, my friend tried yesterday Remington and his finger slipped off. But do saying that Colt has a better grip?
The Remington is super stout and well designed but something about the colts action and overall appearance I just love em both equally to be honest.
Thanks for watching!
I just bought the Remington but ill buy the colt tomorrow i love the prices on these things
I’ve tuned both of my actions on my colts and Remington and my Remington action is smoother than any of my Colts.
From a era of fine craftsmanship before function overtook form.
I always thought the Remington looked better
Thank you for taking the time to explain the difference. I like and purchased the 1858 new army. I think I made the better choice for me. I can imagine ( in the old days ) someone in the field trying to do work on their gun and because of nervousness from the battle dropping lose parts so the new army would be best. Also I plan on getting a conversion to modern ammo and the solid frame would bet better. Thanks again.
I've shot both many many times. I prefer the Remington all day and night. Much better gun.
I have two Remington style, one .44, and one .36. I'm now looking at the Colt design. Thumb up for this video.
It is my understanding the Colt was factory made to shoot at extreme range during battle - hence it shoots very high up close. IIRC it was made to shoot at 100 yards. For me, both Colts I've owned shot about 5" high at 25 yards. On my .44 Navy, I replaced the front sight with a custom aluminum pin that I sanded until it was right on, then epoxied in. Ever since, the gun has been right on at any reasonable range (ie within 50 yards).
The Colt rear sight suffers from being small, compared to most modern sights. It gets harder to use when you get older - but it does not suffer from accuracy loss from being on the hammer. In actual use, once the front sight is replaced with a higher one, there is no noticable windage inaccuracy - up and down and side to side are both about the same - and both quite acceptable when you take your time aiming. My 1851 and 1860 are surprisingly accurate. My Remington is quite accurate also, although I prefer shooting Colts (lighter, easier to cap, point better, and can shoot longer before the cylinder arbor starts binding due to fouling).
I have both the 1860 Colt and I have the 1858 Remington New Model Army. The Remington in my opinion if you're going to have extra cylinders or conversion cylinder it comes out on top because it makes it easier to switch out cylinders. There is a simple fix for the hammer on the Colt 1860 to make it shoot point of aim and to eliminate the cap sucking. I have several other black powder revolver but these two are my favorites.
Good point in the video about the grip shape in the original Colt pistols varying with model. The 1851 Navy did have the best grip, and why it was used in the 1873 cartridge gun.
The only drawback to the Remington is that the loading lever is a little more fragile than the Colt, because of the toggle link. But it does work very well, just be a little careful with it. You may also hear stories about two or more chambers going off at once, but in thirty + years of shooting mine, I've never had it happen. Both guns are excellent! You owe it to yourself to own both!
@Jim Man You're not kidding about misinformed people! Many of these gun writers are outright idiots, and a lot of bad information has been put out there. Guess it's up to us to give folks the right info!
william nye , I had one of those chain fires going off you spoke of. It was a well lubed chamber, but a loosely fitted cap. That was 20 years years ago, and I still shoot mine regularly...but it did occur.
@@RabbitusMaximus It may well be ill-fitted caps that cause the problem. I've always been kinda finicky about my caps, so maybe that's why I've had no trouble with it. I very seldom lube the chambers.
As long as you use a properly sized and generously lubed patch between powder and bullet, the odds of a chain fire is basically zero. The problem comes when people forget their patch.
@@RabbitusMaximus Covering your chamber with grease can help a bit, but really it's a mess not worth the effort and excess use of lube. It doesn't solve the chain fire problem very well... Simply use a properly sized, generously lubed wad between the powder and the bullet. This will make your chances of chain fire basically zero.
I bought the Remington for my first BP gun because of the easy disassembly and because it needs no permanent mods to use a conversion cylinder.
Explain no mods please
@johnsabatka2978 still need an explanation ?
I love your videos and I love watching them again and again. Online encyclopedia of info and fun. And you're cool my brother!!! :)
Thanks! Based on your user name, we probably have a lot in common.
@@GunsOfTheWest That's a big 10-4 good buddy!! Nail on the head
Fascinating , thanks for educating us. 😊
I like to use them as a pair. I use paper cartridges for the Colt and preloaded cylinders for the Remington. Speeds up loading quite a bit and I also had my Colt smithed to fix the cap jam possibility.
Definitely the Colt Vs Rem video I was looking for. Still hard to choose between the pretty Colt and the more modern Remington! I will probably get the Remington.
Can’t really go wrong either way. Thanks for watching!
I own both and agree with everything you said about them. My main complaint with the Remington is that the small grip in relation to the trigger guard tends to beat up my middle finger if I don't pay close attention to my grip. Colt wins for the cool factor of its open top & beautiful lines, Remington wins for being a more beefy, reliable & accurate gun, but it is a newer generation in design than Colt which pretty much used the same basic design for 20 years. Having said that I still prefer Colts.
Thanks for watching!
just talked me into the Remington. it's all about the stronger frame, sights and trigger.
The big advantage of the Remington is that, if you carry pre loaded cylinders, all you have to do is swap to reload. See Clint Eastwood's Preacher in the movie Pale Rider.
Did you see Clint with the Walker colts in Josey Wales, great.
Love the video keep up the good work
Thanks!
nice job with the compare. I may soon be adding a BP to my collection. thanks.
I highly recommend it! Thanks for watching!
I still prefer the 51 navy and 62 police. Love my .36cals. Had a few Remington clones and always just end up converting or selling them. Couldn't bare to part with my colts.
I feel the same about the 62 police. The 60 army style frame and contours is really nice. The Colts provide plenty of hand/ finger room. The one thing Remmingtons come short on unless they are modified. The so-called sheriff's models with 5.5 inch barrels are nice, but don't have the range as a 8 inch barrel. I don't hunt with them, so it's not a problem.
Hey I know this video is 4 years old but I was hoping you could just give me a quick answer.
I am about to get my first black powder revolver, actually my first gun period. It would either be a Colt 1860 Army or a Remington 1858, both made by Pietta and both in .44. For a first time user, what do you think would be better pick?
Deburring that hammer notch does wonders to prevent cap sucking in the Colts. The classic cowboy pointing the Colt skyward while cocking trick was meant to throw spent caps that were sucked off clear of the mechanism. That all becomes wasted motion with careful deburring of the hammer notch.
I own both the 1860 Colt Army and the 1858 Remington in .44, but I also have the Ruger Old Army .45 which is hands down the greatest smoker (or non-smoker, yes you can use smokeless powder in the Ruger with absolutely no problems.), ever made. I love all of them.
I prefer the Remington, as far as the base pin, you can file shallow notches so it will hold some lube, that helps with fouling quite a bit, check out Blackie Thomas, he has some great videos on modifying both the Remington and colts for reliability, all and all great video Dustin! Keep them coming!
If you have a lathe you can do them up very nicely. Mine rarely fouls out after doing so.
@82 c10 absolutely, a lathe is the way to go if you have the option
Yes. I am a CNC machinist, so I have access to one (when production gets slow anyway). I would also make my own parts but would have to buy a pallet and possibly run time on the machine. Would be more than what it's worth in the end.
"Ach du lieber", senor Dustin! Very nice review on these two great guns. But one thing you neglected to point out was the "ease" of cleaning the barrels. On the Remington, you really need a "bore snake" to PULL THROUGH the bore, or simply clean from the muzzle, as some gun guys don't like because of (long term) wear at the muzzle & rifling. On the Colt, you simply take off the barrel & clean from the barrel breech (forcing cone) TOWARDS the muzzle. Many pros & cons for both guns though. Both guns are beautifully designed. I've always felt that the 1860 Colt Army was the most "gorgeous" revolver ever designed, mainly because of that beautifully sculptured barrel & the beautiful long grip curves! There's something very "sexy" about those Colt curves!!! "Gesundheit" & pass da "Lutefisk" und saurbrauten poleaze!
The Remington is a good revolver, but I have always favored the Colt. It just feels natural to me while the Remington feels a little awkward.
I have the same feeling. And, to me, the Remington action feels "spongy" while the Colt, if in good repair, feels crisp. I prefer crisp.
@@jamesburk2544 That old Colt just seems to radar in on the target and feels so natural to me. No so with the Remington. Don't get me wrong I love shooting them both.
Excellent info. I tend to believe that the 51 may have been more popular with the population than the 60. Good thing I like them all. Thanks again my friend.
I preferred the Colt, because of the base pin that allowed it to stay operative longer. But what I really found objectionable about the Remington was the SHAPE of the grip! It is very small at the top and, even in my smallish hands, kept me from maintaining a firm grip on the gun when firing. Remington must have known that was a problem, because they corrected the issue with their 1875 cartridge models.
Just purchased a pietta 1858 44 Cal army 8 in. Barrel like a Ruger old army I use to own I think the weight of it helps stabilize while shooting and the solid frame gives the gun better longevity especially shooting the heavier loads. Nice break down of the two pistols, hat's off to you buddy
Good comparison video! Thanks!
Thanks for this well made informative video!
like the colt. big positive is being able to use the lever to lift the barrel off of the arbor. also able to easily get lube onto the arbor. 2 very important things in extended shooting.
Ive just got a remington a week ago and ive broken it in and added slix shot nipples and i think i perfer the remington a lot more. The colts action is a lot better, smoother, and crisp but i love how reliable the remington is and the sights are so much better.
The Remington is my favorite and I have it in stainless but, I'm just going to have to get the Colt just to see for myself!
Thanks for watching!
The stainless is a really nice option. I have not owned one, but I picked up a stainless cylinder to swap in and was pleased with.
@@mrdinme.4768 you talked me into it!
@@mrdinme.4768 I have 2 colts in both calibers and also have 2 Remington 1858s in both calibers.
I really like the grip, of the 60 Army. Also, the 60 Army feels sleeker & smoother. I shoot my 2 60 Armys, 1 Uberti & 1 Pietta, better than ALL my other C&B revolvers. They may be dethroned, by my Dance Brother Revolver, the more I shoot it. The Remington excels, though with cartridge conversion cylinders.
I purchased the R&D conversion cylinders for my Colt 1860s in 45 Colt they work great but only hold five.
You do great job. Thank you. Greetings from Croatia. I think that I buy Uberti 1860 Army first...
Thanks for watching!
two 4" colt '51 navies,no rammers, silver blade front sight.. I'm looking for a pocket navy to cut to 2" barrel as a 'back-up'
Great presentation. In the narrative, you say REAR SIGHT while pointing to the front sight. I read accounts of both pistols used the the Civil War. The Colt was the most issued of course but I read of many Union officers who bought or "aquired" the Remington's by choise; I read of one account of two model 58s, one one the belt and a second on the saddle opposite the saber. There were opinions that they did not like the cap/in/the/action problem and they wanted the more solid pistol when mixing it up with their opponents. If I were to aquire one of these, I believe it would be the Model 58. Thanks
Have both and both are excellent revolvers.
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Great video Dustin! Thanks partner
Is the colt a repro or original also I like wider triggers as well
These are both reproductions, made by Pietta. Thanks for watching!
I just bought last month the 1858 Remington 36 cal (Uberti steel reproduction) for my very first BP. The main reason for choosing it over Colt is the continuous reliability of shooting it round after round without misfire or without cap-sucking issues which normally happens to Colt. I have been to the firing range twice already and had really good fun shooting the Remington. I did not do any modification, filing, slicking, gunsmithing, etc with my Remington. I just use it and enjoy recreational target shooting. Another reason why I like Remington is the ease of switching cylinders. I just got another Remington by Pietta.
Never had a cap jam in my colts.
Some capping tools don't work well on the Remington. If you pull the nipple you can open up the slot with the small drum sanding too on a dremil. A little cold blue and a good cleaning is all it takes to even use a Ted Cash snail for putting on the caps. For the cylinder pins on both the Colt and Remington I use a stock universal lithium grease. Last Balistol is the best cleaner lube I've ever found for black powder peroid. And I tried a lot.
I wish they made a Spiller and Burr in 44. I saw a G&G in 44 but passed for a 36. Your kit is working like charm by the way!
Great video I just found your channel my first black powder was a Remington 58 or New model army I had that for about 10 years in about 3 years ago I got the 60 Colt.mine are both pietas I have shot almost everything that is made from uberti to stuff they don't even make any more and I like both of them but if I had to go in the battle the Remington would be the one that I would choose you can preload cylinders and change them very quickly there's no wedge to lose in the field but I like both of them and everyone should know how to use a Black powder cap and ball or cap and conical ball revolver or rifle everyone should know how to use one. as I humiliate people on the shooting range when they show up with the latest and greatest and I outperform than with the ancient stuff everyone should know how to use one.ps I am not a great Marksman. I leave that up to make Bellevue that's another good channel that's how I found yours.
Most benefits with A Remington. But less attractive to look at.
Im starting to like the Colt more. Cos it feels nice to see when the cylinder aligns perfect on top.
And somewhat amusing to take it apart. Also the sound of cocking it is louder? C 7:32 R 7:48
I always enjoy your vids, very informative. But a suggestion if I may. Black guns do not photograph well on white backgrounds. The camera closes down the aperture to compensate for the bright white leaving just a black outline to represent the firearm. I would try using a grey or tan background, some use an unfolded cardboard box to good effect.
That’s good to know. The background though is actually not white; it’s dark green. The white is added later. Still, a good observation though. Thanks! I’m looking into getting some better lights to make things show up better. Thanks for watching!
Hello and thanks for your vids, they are both interesting and cool to watch.
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My experience has it that the Remington is more reliable, less susceptible to gumming up due to fouling, and it doesn't allow caps to fall back into the hammer and jam up the action. It's a well thought-out, superior design, but heck me if I don't love how the colts look. If you're only buying one, get the Remington.
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Seems like the Remington was thought out a little bit better but I do love them both. Great video
The Ruger Old Army was the ultimate development of the Remington. Mine is one fine shooter.
I got the Remy first...enjoyed shooting it, but having to stop and clean it after two or three cylinders because of fouling was a drag. Then I got the 1858 Colt Sheriff and the 1851 Navy. Both Colts can shoot all day without having to stop, take them apart, clean, then reassemble to shoot again. And it mad no difference with any of the guns whether I used real or synthetic black powder. Love them all, anyway.
What's a '58 Colt Sheriff? Never heard of a Colt from 1858.
Nice video. I have owned a few of each. I prefer the '58, as it's more reliable (except for the loading lever). I also find it a better candidate for cartridge conversion, and I really do like the trigger better. I'm not a fan of the hammer spur angle on the '58 though. For the colt, I like the decreased weight and size. I also like the modular set up: If a guy shoots Colts (and stays with 1 manufacturer) he can end up with multiple barrel lengths, and multiple grip frames. You quickly swap between Army, Navy and birdshead grips, and swap on a '51 octagon barrel. The Colts, can be so cheap that it's totally worth buying a second gun to strip the barrel and grip frame.
i have both of these guns and one huge advantage the Remington has that you didn't point out is it has the ability to reload extremely quick by having extra cylinders already loaded and capped. I have a holster belt that has 6 pouches for preloaded cylinder swaps. I load the cylinders and cover the business end with grease, which prevents a accidental discharge and keeps my powder dry and lubricates the barrel. On the other end I pre-cap the nipples and use a little paraffin wax to hold the caps on the nipples. thereby sealing every thing up. I have fired cylinders that have been loaded for months or a year and I haven't had any problems. I don't have a second or to lag caused by damp powder, and I can reload in 30 secs no problem. I am sure in a battle or gunfight that would make a huge difference in living or dyeing. This is the main reason that to me the Remington is far superior to the Colt in real life or death situations.
I own a dragoon, 2 51s, a 60 and a 58. I have 12 cylinders for the colts and I have left them loaded for over a year and the shot great. Same with the Remington. I love both makes and I have a conversation with my 58. But I took my 60 grip and put it with my 51 sheriff barrel, and that is the sweetest gun. To me the best feature is the colts are interchangeable with both the 60 and the 51. I like the 51 barrel and the 60 grip and frame is outstanding. I love them both though. Great guns
Great side by side info and review, thanks!
Fine educational quality and narrative.
1851 navy for me. It has the same grip angle as the SAA. It points more naturally than the other black powder revolvers.
I too have one of each. The Colt 1860 is very pretty, well balanced and lighter then the Remington. But, because it is an open top revolver, keep your loads light. The Remington 1858 is a heavier gun, but very durable and stout and can handle larger powder charges and bullets. If you want a Cap and Ball revolver too shoot a lot, get the Remington. As for the Cylinder pin on the Remington, use of a over powder wad will greatly reduce pin fouling. Also figure out just how much powder you need. Too much powder will cause more fouling because it will not combust in the barrel completely, and you will blow a lot out the barrel. Good luck, have fun, and shoot safe.
Over the years I've seen both blown up. The Colt I saw blew out the top of the cylinder and didn't seem to cause any other serious damage, the Remington on the other hand also blew the top of the cylinder and took the top strap with it, irreparably ruining the frame. On both the idiots used smokeless powder. Back when the Colt was originally designed cylinder steel was unreliable so maybe Old Sam had that in mind with the open top design. If you hit someone over the head the Remington would probably hold up better, but either one is strong enough to handle any full load.
I want a hip mounted cannon. Who makes those?
Well having shot both plenty of I absolutely had to use one of those instead of a modern gun I'd take the Remington just because I can use it's sights better and shoot it more accurately.
I am totally new on black powder guns. Ordered a Desperado from American Gun Craft and trying to learn as much as possible. Now I want a 1800s revolver too. Seeing this great video I think I like the Remmington the most.
I would like something the Confederate would use.
Just found your channel. It’s great. I have to say I like the Remmington better than the colt. I like the idea of having the top strap. I believe it makes the pistol more rigid, That’s just my opinion.
One thing no one mentions is repair and parts availability today, colts are completely modular vs Remington which you can only replace internal parts.
Damage a colt frame $100 bucks to buy a new block, damage a Remington frame and throw the gun away, also you can take that 1860 army spend $100 and slap a navy barrel on it, can’t swap anything on the Remington.
I have a Brass Frame 1860 Colt Army that I bought 2nd. hand. I paid $75.00 for it. The price and finish were Nice. A Smooth, if somewhat heavy spring on cocking. After I got home is when I noticed that it Did Not have a Manufacturer anywhere on the gun. The Serial # is in front of the Trigger Guard and Begins with a Capital "E" + a 5 Digit Serial #. I have proof marks of "BN" Inside of a box. PN that is under a 5 Point Star inside of a Circle. And, Next to that is a Small Circle over another Box. There in something inside of the Circle but I can't make out what it is. Maybe another Star. The Box has what looks like a Pentagon with an "X" stamped from corner to corner in the box plus a Horizontal Line across the center of the box. The Same Marks are on the Right side of the barrel Also. The Barrel is Stamped on the Right Hand Side. SM Black Powder Only Cal. 44 Made In Italy just above the Charging Handle. Would you have an Idea of Who the Manufacturer of the piece would be? The Cylinder on this gun doesn't have the small pins that you mention as a "Safety Feature". It was Never Drilled for them.
Possibly a San Marco revolver, made in Italy.
the wide trigger on the remington is more comfortable and does not leave a mark on your finger after using it a while
I can see an advantage with the remington, you could have preloaded spare cylinders that would be easier to insert when the installed one has been emptied.
Excellent informative review. Thank you.
Another feature of the Remington is that you could carry pre-loaded spare cylinders which allowed for very rapid reloading. In the final shootout of "Pale Rider" you can see "The Preacher" swapping cylinders in his Remington. Though it appears to be a cartridge conversion, it's still faster than ejecting and loading individual rounds through the loading gate.
Which there's no evidence of that ever occuring.
Starr is better. there I said it.
That was a pretty good overview of the differences. The Remington is more modern but the colt just feels so great in the hand.
The Starr company had the same problem most gunmakers of the day had - Not enough cash to push its products marketing wise. They did not get the exposure that Colt, S&W and Remington got from wider War between the States use.
I to like my Starts no base pin Arbor problems here. The National Congress of Old West Shooting let's us use double action revolvers if period correct.
From a strictly engineering point of view, Remington gets it. But just like he says it comes down to personal preference. How does it feel in your hand, and how do you feel shooting it.
(just like All firearms) Good Work man👍
Okay. Did you like the Beatles or the Stones? But like most of us boomers, there was room for the both of them, and more. My dad left me his guns, he collected both of them: C and R. I think he liked them both. Miss him so much now. I wish he was here now. Damn, I should have spent more time with him. Now, I have the time to see what he was doing, he is gone. Well, I will learn about these C&B guns and shoot them in his honor.
Awesome vid 🙌
With the "cap sucking" issue of the colt. Has anyone tried to V out the notch or fil it in then V it out so the cap doesn't have parallel surfaces to grip onto???
Have both myself. I have 2 Remingtons, one is the 44 Sheriff (5.5'barrel) the other 1858 is the 36 cal. version. I also have a 2nd generation 1851 Colt. Love them all but I do like the balance of the Colts better. I watch your channel and several of the other black powder channels and enjoy them all. I have not found any of them that has done a video on the 1858 Remington in 36 caliber. I've caught a few that have done them but they are from other countries and can't understand a thing they say. LOL Maybe your next gun you buy should be the 36 caliber 1858. Do you know if they are historically accurate? Did they make them back then? Anyways, another good informative video. Keep them coming.
Thanks, Don! I do hope to add that .36 to the channel eventually for some videos.
They sure did make a .36 Remington back then.
I would love to use a brace of remingtons as carry guns on my Alaska property, but they won’t reliably stop an 800 pound grizzly, and I have to have that stopping power where I am at... guess I have to stick with the .454 as my pistol and do my hunting with a black powder rifle or my long bow...
I own a colt navy, brilliant gun. Ill definitely own a Remi someday. In my opinion the Remi is a bit more sophisticated and well engineered, but no other gun on earth has that perfect silhouette of an open top Colt. Aesthetics, the colt beats the remi every time to me. But, like I said. MUCH love for the remi, and I will absolutely have one
Have you had any issues with new guns that may effect how smoothly they operate when new? I’ve seen saw videos that have stated that some of the new guns need some polishing. I enjoyed your video. Thank you for your work.
Mine have actually all worked well out of the box.
Wonderful and informative video
Thanks!
Before I actually started shooting black powder I assumed the Remington was better being a more modern design. But given how stiff the cylinder on my colt gets after 30 or so shots I can only imagine how gunked up that remington cylinder axis pin gets! That said one day I have to get a nice Remington. It looks awesome. Kind of like the Whitney revolvers. I do wonder why Remington didn't cut fouling groves inside the hole of the cylinder rather than the pin; I get the pin is too thin to do that to it, but figure they could have essentially rifled grooves through the central cylinder hole, to accomplish the same thing...
Colt had a patent on the grooved cylinder pin. All the more reason to groove inside the cylinder!
I dig your videos..thanks for the info
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I'll take the Colt over the Remington - it is a more natural pointer (in my hands, but a lot of Colt owners bring this up), the cylinder arbor is slower to foul, and it is easier to cap. 98% of the time I grab the Colt, its more fun for me.
I live i Sweden and are thinking of buying a Remington 44 from 1862. It will cost 22 000 to buy it, in Swedish Crowns and it’s about 2369 Dollars. Is the price good? The revolver has the same gun number on almost all of the pieces on the revolver. Is it a good buy?
Nice video Dustin. You know me, love my colts lol
for me its the Remington, nothings more annoying than when the colt pulls a primer off too soon especially when I'm in engine territory getting arrows shot at me as I ride into the sunset with the gang on my horse Wilbur
One you have to aim about 10 inches lower to hit your target and the other is spot on should say it all.
You can replace the front sight on any Colt style revolver and they will be just as spot on. 10 minutes work for any decent gunsmith.
@@franklinAll8735 I understand, but the comparison was between factory guns.
@@markd5625 Back in the day, those pistols were both sighted at the factory to hit a mansize target at 75 yards. I own several of the replicas of each and they are all accurate out to that distance. I'll bet he's shooting at a much closer target.
As others have noted, the Colt is sighted in at the factory for a longer range (about 100 yards). If it shoots that high it's because he's shooting at a substantially closer target than it's sighted for.
Wish they kept that safety feature in the conversions
I saw a felon who has a short barreled Colt that he conceals on the belt part of his waist bag under his shirt. He carries it with 5 on an empty chamber. Inside the waist pack he has a full sized Remington with extra cylinders
failed to mention the mainspring. if the colt has a one piece handle, how does the mainspring fit? thanks