@@patrickarend8707 I do exactly the same thing! Too many excellent sounding, fun instruments to play with. Lots cheaper than collecting hardware synths, though - that's what I tell myself.
Ok, when a synth gives me chills right out of the box (well, right out of the box and into Unify using the Unified selectors!) I consider that to be a very good sign. Play a note or a chord, hold it, enjoy the chills and goosebumps! Wonderful! Being a proud owner of both an original Wavestation (my first "real" synth of my own bought back in 1994) AND a Wavestation SR rack obtained in 1997 with both still working fine, you can imagine I was looking forward to playing with this - and SATISFACTION IS MINE! ;-)
This is great news (from Korg and yourself!).. having tried a friends Wavestate, it is clearly a no-brainer for me to get this (at full price later.. if I can't stretch funds now.). I am even considering trading up my iPads and Macbook Pro for a Mac mini (where Gadget would be able to REALLY shine!). P.S. Gadget VST in Unify ?
Wow! Trying the demos now and they do sound brilliant. Of course I demo'ed your patches first 👏Also, quite a saving vs the hardware version. Great stuff, thanks John 👍
Where did you get the demos? I don't see them on the Korg Site. If I knew my computer could handle it I would buy it in an instant. I'm on a 2.8 Quad core Apple MacBook (2014).
Again, love your work on the wavestate. while all are good.....both "bowing in many colors" ... and "adams in china brass" are killer and works of art.
One question, is it possible to use the PACK OF SEQUENCES generated in WAVESTATE to use them in the Wavestate Software from Native Instrument? From already thank you very much.
Great vid demo... I love Korg for doing this, they should bundle these 2 like they do their other VST's.. At least Korg is not like Roland Cloud (archaic)... Roland forces you to keep logging in to run your purchased VST (stupid).. They also don't provide VST bundles like Korg does. Thank goodness for Cherry Audio & Arturia for my Roland VST's
NICE. thanks for the news.... was always looking at the hardware version however based on the build it was only logical that a software version would be available.... Hey, im seeing you tagged to alot of the wave forms.... very coolio....
But John, given that they are purely digital, why wouldn't they sound totally identical. I think the question would be: why wouldn't they sound the same, unless you had a lousy soundcard? That aside, I only have the hardware Opsix, but have watched a few videos of the software version, and for sure, being able to see all six operators at once with visual feedback is great, let alone that looking for patches is just so much easier being able to see folder categories. How much more convenient when dealing with hundreds of patches. Thanks for the video and information too!
Is it possible to route the layers to different outputs? Let's say for either adding different effects, surround mixing, and/ or sending to different hard digital to analog converter outputs on your interface?
Oh no I'm trying to put a brake on my software purchases but this is a must buy The wavestation Sr was the first synth That I brought and that found has been part of my music for over 20 years When the wife chews my balls I'm going to blame you Skippy
Now I'm considering selling my hardware Wavestate and picking up both of these plugins instead. Sell the WS for $650. Buy both plugs for $300 and use with my Novation SL MK3.
It looks to me that, in software, your VIEW of things increases like by ONE MILLION that of what the hardware's screen permits. I get 'turning knobs,' but my goodness...would be impossible for me to pick the hardware over this brilliant software GUI. Seems like the hardware would be endless menu diving compared to...
Wavestate and Opsix is VST3 only. You need to use a DAW that can handle these. Most of the modern ones do, but some older ones still don't (like Ableton Live 8 or 9).
@@thomaskolb8785 Yeah I know how VST works, I use a lot. My problem is that my Reason 12 , witch is updated to accept VST3 as well, cannot see the Wavestate...🤔
@@musicx44 Have you checked that Reason scans for the correct directories? You can always force a full rescan by removing the PluginDatabase file (it should be in the Propellerhead Software/Reason directory).
I have tried it and...I will not buy it. Samples are not good and what to do with this synth ? Too complex. The opsix has a problem it is very CPU hungry but it seems more interesting
Now I have bought these two, and since I also have the original hardware, comparisons are easy. First of all, yes, they sound identical - well, being 100% digital, why shouldn't they. I cannot AxB them apart. The wavestate is a no-brainer, it is just soooo much easier to use in the computer. I will probably sell the hardware and just use the virtual one. The opsix on the other hand, hmm... seems unfinished. The VST version is super slow and laggy. Some menus, like FX and so are almost impossible to use since they close before you can select a value. Finally the GUI seems poorly thought out. Why spend a lot of processor on those pointless moving wave screens? I will definitely keep my opsix hardware for now.
These native VST's from Korg are the finale nail in the coffin for digital hardware synth purchases from Korg for me. Now we know it's only a matter of time before they become VST's
That almost doesn't make sense - I know where you're coming from, but how about looking at this a different way? Korg actually cared enough to design something in a way that would be released for those that need a hardware AND for those that simply need a software solution to getting access to these sounds and Wavesequencing 2.0 technology. You realize virtually every digital keyboard made in the last 10+ years COULD be a plug-in as well as hardware, but the company didn't do it either because they are afraid a software version is going to take away from their profits or they can't because they don't know how to do it. Korg knows and did it even if they sell fewer copies of hardware. This won't happen for everything but I think it's pretty cool you can use your exact patches you use LIVE in the studio and not need to hook up your hardware instruments to accomplish this. How's that for straighttalk?
@@PlugInGuruVideo I'm just expressing that feeling of being conned that Korg have left me with. If they had any sense of decorum and weren't so profit driven they would've released the VST's first (obviously they were in development at the same time) this would've allowed people to make an informed choice, whether to buy the hardware or not. I bet there are many like me who like the hardware but would've held off buying it at it's release price if the VST was already available. Anyway, they've actually saved me some cash, as I was that close to buying the OPSIX and MODWAVE, how's that for straighttalk.
@@straighttalk2069 - The Korg development team spent literally the last year on the software version. You're vision of what can be done by Korg is very unrealistic. If the hardware version wasn't what you wanted, they why not sell it. They didn't con you because of bringing out a software version 1 year later.
Tempting, but I'd rather have the hardware. I have to wonder why Korg would do this; unless the VSTi's are priced close to the same price the hardware has, they've just cut the legs out of their hardware sales of both keyboards, and neither of them are cheap. Still, they're both great sounding instruments. I'd rather go with the hardware, that's all...
$150 a piece? Ouch...that hurts! Sounds absolutely superb though....but all of my petty cash is tied up in my Roland Fantom 06 preorder(as well as all subsequent libraries I will be buying for it.) This new Fantom is a real game-changer...whereas Korg has dropped the ball & totally lost it, with regard to hardware workstations.
If you could pause on the ouch - a whole team worked 1year straight (or more) to conceive, design and build this. This costs money my friend. Having a steroid designed version of Wavesequencing AND the ability to use your own 4GB of samples - I hope you can see the Aaahhhh that is here instead of the ouch 😊
@@PlugInGuruVideo I didn't mean to imply that it's not worth the money...but I recently laid down $250 on the Triton Collection & was planning on buying the Polysix V2 softsynth and then I got hit with the news of the new Roland Fantom(can't keep up.) Yes...these plugins sure do reveal how much hard work was put into them...but if a million Korg fans buy these 2 plugin's...that's 300 million(so I am sure the developers will be well compensated.) I find it interesting how each individual plugin on average,is $100 or more...while there are periodic sales were e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g Korg ever conceived, goes on sale for only $300.
Memory places? If you mean RAM, 4GB is a lot to access. We only had 1/4 of a MEGABYTE for the original Wavestation. It’s not how much it’s how well you know how to use it.
lol Software is but modelled by hardware.... Lock it in! Software does it all... But never the simplicity of a simple interface that's hands on. GE's Imposcar II is awesome... But it still isn't an approach my original OSCar synth invokes yeh? And it actually sounds better..... Unlike todays DSP's algo's that are based on code, That are, well, Based on code.....
@@PlugInGuruVideo The idea that what has all been DSP/Algo based, means nothing ? Thats all... Plug ins based on what really are plug ins on proprietary DSP are but a reason to just say "Meh" Apologies.. Just my take on the whole marketing BS.. I guess I need to justify all my old Vintage Analog gear, not a VLSI , DSP coded synth...Then again.. AN1x , best I've heard..
@@Rhythmattica - Good news my friend - it's 2022 and there is a synthesizer for everybody. I love all forms of synthesis and having worked on the original Wavestation, I totally support advancing the Wavesequencing form of sound manipulation. Good luck on your musical adventures.
@@PlugInGuruVideo Thats my point! I own a Wavestation ex, a Korg Triton 88 pro etc... Its when these types of hardware become sold on a platform that is hardware.... Thats all.. Like a Guitar, or bass, or a mic.. Make music.. But I'm just suggesting people not need look to the Voodoo that is a marketing ploy, just to say its not possible without such said hardware these days.. To music and beyond! (Do hope you understand my thoughts as such) ;)
I just don’t see where bringing this out in software only form for those that don’t need another physical keyboard = some voodoo marketing ploy. People said they didn’t want another keyboard and here’s a solution.
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I just got my Wavestate on Saturday, what a nice surprise!
Good job Korg. Now I'm waiting for an official VST release of the MS2000 with enhanced polyphony
Same. The MicroKorg is turning 20 this year! I would love to see the RADIAS and KingKorg engines ported too!
now THAT would be something, even though I own an MS2000BR
Awesome, I had Wavestate and OPSix on my "to buy list." Now I can get the software versions and already have the Wavestate library Unified!
My god the Wavstate VST sounds really organic.
I must have this as my final VST.
BTW,
Excellent demo.
I agree with you & want to buy it as well. However, we both know there is no such thing as "my final VST". :-)
@@bird3124 The last three or four VSTs i got,
i said would be my last, so i guess you are right, lol.
@@patrickarend8707 I do exactly the same thing! Too many excellent sounding, fun instruments to play with. Lots cheaper than collecting hardware synths, though - that's what I tell myself.
Whatsup Skippy! I just grabbed the Wavestate this morning. It sounds so good!
Ok, when a synth gives me chills right out of the box (well, right out of the box and into Unify using the Unified selectors!) I consider that to be a very good sign. Play a note or a chord, hold it, enjoy the chills and goosebumps! Wonderful! Being a proud owner of both an original Wavestation (my first "real" synth of my own bought back in 1994) AND a Wavestation SR rack obtained in 1997 with both still working fine, you can imagine I was looking forward to playing with this - and SATISFACTION IS MINE! ;-)
I think I’m in heaven. Wavestate, OPSix and Unify. Perfect!
I am waiting for the modwave! Bring it on!
I like the way preset sounds dont just cut off when you change them!
Fabulous. I didn't realize that Wavestate had already been Unified!
Korg is my history & dear family so they were kind enough to include me on this development since last year. 😊
many THX John ... that's absolutely awesome for a Wavestate Owner like me 😍😍😍
Definitely going to buy the Wavestate Native, until I can buy the hardware version, thank you Korg and everyone involved!
Just got the Wavestate VST version. Same as the hardware plus the MS-20 filter sounds just as good in the vst. Great stuff !!
Waiting to see if this ends up part of Korg Collection 4.
This is great news (from Korg and yourself!).. having tried a friends Wavestate, it is clearly a no-brainer for me to get this (at full price later.. if I can't stretch funds now.).
I am even considering trading up my iPads and Macbook Pro for a Mac mini (where Gadget would be able to REALLY shine!).
P.S. Gadget VST in Unify ?
Piano Iceland Pad is an amazing patch WOW
Wow! Trying the demos now and they do sound brilliant. Of course I demo'ed your patches first 👏Also, quite a saving vs the hardware version. Great stuff, thanks John 👍
Where did you get the demos? I don't see them on the Korg Site. If I knew my computer could handle it I would buy it in an instant. I'm on a 2.8 Quad core Apple MacBook (2014).
Apologies. I went straight to the shop...not the main website. Now I see it.
Roland recently released their wave table synth for Zenology, but only for hardware. This will probably make them rethink that.
Again, love your work on the wavestate. while all are good.....both "bowing in many colors" ... and "adams in china brass" are killer and works of art.
Omg, San Jacinto right away!!
This is incredible!!!!
One question, is it possible to use the PACK OF SEQUENCES generated in WAVESTATE to use them in the Wavestate Software from Native Instrument? From already thank you very much.
This is AWESOME!
Great vid demo... I love Korg for doing this, they should bundle these 2 like they do their other VST's.. At least Korg is not like Roland Cloud (archaic)... Roland forces you to keep logging in to run your purchased VST (stupid).. They also don't provide VST bundles like Korg does. Thank goodness for Cherry Audio & Arturia for my Roland VST's
NICE. thanks for the news.... was always looking at the hardware version however based on the build it was only logical that a software version would be available.... Hey, im seeing you tagged to alot of the wave forms.... very coolio....
Is it also possible to load your own samples into the VSTi version without the Wavestate hardware? Thanks.
Yeah, he mentioned that is possible with just the VST now if you download the sample editor.
Maybe this will convince Kurzweil to make a VAST VST :)
AWESOME!!!!!!!
But John, given that they are purely digital, why wouldn't they sound totally identical. I think the question would be: why wouldn't they sound the same, unless you had a lousy soundcard?
That aside, I only have the hardware Opsix, but have watched a few videos of the software version, and for sure, being able to see all six operators at once with visual feedback is great, let alone that looking for patches is just so much easier being able to see folder categories. How much more convenient when dealing with hundreds of patches. Thanks for the video and information too!
Awesome!
Is it possible to route the layers to different outputs? Let's say for either adding different effects, surround mixing, and/ or sending to different hard digital to analog converter outputs on your interface?
That ability is unfortunately not available right now in either Wavestate or Unify. Stereo out is the only option.
@@PlugInGuruVideo Thanks for your response.
Korg and Roland aren’t joking anymore with software plugins!
yea they stopped playing. now Yamaha needs to wake up
Yeah,, It still is a joke... lol
So many freebies even do it better... Even import original Sysex.... Youve got to laugh.....
@@YEE941 I mean, Yamaha own Steinberg, who make Halion 6 - one of the best and most powerful sample / synth workstations going in software.
@@YEE941 they need to wake up much earlier
big ups!
hi where i can find the dll file for fl studio? can i insert this plugin into fl studio?
From the Korg Shop: korg.shop/wavestate-native.html
Oh no I'm trying to put a brake on my software purchases but this is a must buy The wavestation Sr was the first synth That I brought and that found has been part of my music for over 20 years
When the wife chews my balls I'm going to blame you Skippy
YAY!
What would you consider as an "ideal" controller to get the most out of these vsts in real time?
Are they going to release a vst for modwave?
San Jacinto patch!! How could I not pick this up?
Will Kong release their wavestate as an app for iPad?
Highly doubtful - the sample memory Wavestate is accessing is over 3GB so the application would be HUGE in memory.
Sweeeet 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🔥🔥🔥
Will this integrate with the hardware?? Like the previous plugin?
Don’t understand your context - it’s the equivalent of the hardware version but you can’t combine them in some special way. Is that what you mean?
@@PlugInGuruVideo yes, it just looks alot neater than the editor/librarian
Where put the sound Banks or presets
Now I'm considering selling my hardware Wavestate and picking up both of these plugins instead. Sell the WS for $650. Buy both plugs for $300 and use with my Novation SL MK3.
I want this to use with my Opsix. I wonder do I lose functionality by not having the hardware Wavestate.
Other than missing the hardware, they’re identical.
👀👀👀👀👀
Wish they did the gui the same as the real life version.
Opsix is very nice esthetic design, but the Vst doesnt fit at all with the hardware? why white? its not finished work guys!
Is there a demo versions?
Yes, of course - at their website.
Will Modwave follow? Good move.
I have no idea but for sure, not today 😊
any suggestions on how to midi control the X/Y. is there a best control... i can't think of one
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@@montazownianr1 Thanks, will do
Maybe a Korg Kaos Pad?
iPad/iPhone have apps that will do it.
Nice ! :-)
do you guys think that the moDWave may also follow in native format?
Given the shortages of semiconductors currently, that sounds very likely
Selling a cheaper crossgrade version to hardware owners is a great idea.
First I Called it 🔊🔊🔊
It looks to me that, in software, your VIEW of things increases like by ONE MILLION that of what the hardware's screen permits. I get 'turning knobs,' but my goodness...would be impossible for me to pick the hardware over this brilliant software GUI. Seems like the hardware would be endless menu diving compared to...
How to insert Wavestate into the DAW? Can't find .dll...Standalone works well...😔
Wavestate and Opsix is VST3 only. You need to use a DAW that can handle these. Most of the modern ones do, but some older ones still don't (like Ableton Live 8 or 9).
@@thomaskolb8785 Yeah I know how VST works, I use a lot. My problem is that my Reason 12 , witch is updated to accept VST3 as well, cannot see the Wavestate...🤔
@@musicx44 Have you checked that Reason scans for the correct directories? You can always force a full rescan by removing the PluginDatabase file (it should be in the Propellerhead Software/Reason directory).
@@thomaskolb8785 There is no Plugin Database File in Reason 12...
Problem solved. There is no VST3 support in Reason 12, yet...😔
I have tried it and...I will not buy it. Samples are not good and what to do with this synth ? Too complex. The opsix has a problem it is very CPU hungry but it seems more interesting
Now I have bought these two, and since I also have the original hardware, comparisons are easy. First of all, yes, they sound identical - well, being 100% digital, why shouldn't they. I cannot AxB them apart. The wavestate is a no-brainer, it is just soooo much easier to use in the computer. I will probably sell the hardware and just use the virtual one. The opsix on the other hand, hmm... seems unfinished. The VST version is super slow and laggy. Some menus, like FX and so are almost impossible to use since they close before you can select a value. Finally the GUI seems poorly thought out. Why spend a lot of processor on those pointless moving wave screens? I will definitely keep my opsix hardware for now.
I expect an update for OPSix will make those smaller issues go away at some point.
These native VST's from Korg are the finale nail in the coffin for digital hardware synth purchases from Korg for me.
Now we know it's only a matter of time before they become VST's
That almost doesn't make sense - I know where you're coming from, but how about looking at this a different way? Korg actually cared enough to design something in a way that would be released for those that need a hardware AND for those that simply need a software solution to getting access to these sounds and Wavesequencing 2.0 technology. You realize virtually every digital keyboard made in the last 10+ years COULD be a plug-in as well as hardware, but the company didn't do it either because they are afraid a software version is going to take away from their profits or they can't because they don't know how to do it. Korg knows and did it even if they sell fewer copies of hardware. This won't happen for everything but I think it's pretty cool you can use your exact patches you use LIVE in the studio and not need to hook up your hardware instruments to accomplish this. How's that for straighttalk?
@@PlugInGuruVideo I'm just expressing that feeling of being conned that Korg have left me with.
If they had any sense of decorum and weren't so profit driven they would've released the VST's first (obviously they were in development at the same time) this would've allowed people to make an informed choice, whether to buy the hardware or not.
I bet there are many like me who like the hardware but would've held off buying it at it's release price if the VST was already available.
Anyway, they've actually saved me some cash, as I was that close to buying the OPSIX and MODWAVE, how's that for straighttalk.
@@straighttalk2069 - The Korg development team spent literally the last year on the software version. You're vision of what can be done by Korg is very unrealistic. If the hardware version wasn't what you wanted, they why not sell it. They didn't con you because of bringing out a software version 1 year later.
Tempting, but I'd rather have the hardware. I have to wonder why Korg would do this; unless the VSTi's are priced close to the same price the hardware has, they've just cut the legs out of their hardware sales of both keyboards, and neither of them are cheap.
Still, they're both great sounding instruments. I'd rather go with the hardware, that's all...
$150 a piece? Ouch...that hurts! Sounds absolutely superb though....but all of my petty cash is tied up in my Roland Fantom 06 preorder(as well as all subsequent libraries I will be buying for it.) This new Fantom is a real game-changer...whereas Korg has dropped the ball & totally lost it, with regard to hardware workstations.
If you could pause on the ouch - a whole team worked 1year straight (or more) to conceive, design and build this. This costs money my friend. Having a steroid designed version of Wavesequencing AND the ability to use your own 4GB of samples - I hope you can see the Aaahhhh that is here instead of the ouch 😊
@@PlugInGuruVideo I didn't mean to imply that it's not worth the money...but I recently laid down $250 on the Triton Collection & was planning on buying the Polysix V2 softsynth and then I got hit with the news of the new Roland Fantom(can't keep up.) Yes...these plugins sure do reveal how much hard work was put into them...but if a million Korg fans buy these 2 plugin's...that's 300 million(so I am sure the developers will be well compensated.) I find it interesting how each individual plugin on average,is $100 or more...while there are periodic sales were e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g Korg ever conceived, goes on sale for only $300.
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So few memory places.Pitty
Memory places? If you mean RAM, 4GB is a lot to access. We only had 1/4 of a MEGABYTE for the original Wavestation. It’s not how much it’s how well you know how to use it.
@@PlugInGuruVideo No,no storing your own presets I mean.
lol
Software is but modelled by hardware....
Lock it in!
Software does it all... But never the simplicity of a simple interface that's hands on.
GE's Imposcar II is awesome... But it still isn't an approach my original OSCar synth invokes yeh? And it actually sounds better..... Unlike todays DSP's algo's that are based on code, That are, well, Based on code.....
Not exactly sure what you mean - they are fully compatible with each other so you can use whatever you prefer. Nothing here is ripped off…
@@PlugInGuruVideo The idea that what has all been DSP/Algo based, means nothing ?
Thats all... Plug ins based on what really are plug ins on proprietary DSP are but a reason to just say "Meh"
Apologies.. Just my take on the whole marketing BS..
I guess I need to justify all my old Vintage Analog gear, not a VLSI , DSP coded synth...Then again.. AN1x , best I've heard..
@@Rhythmattica - Good news my friend - it's 2022 and there is a synthesizer for everybody. I love all forms of synthesis and having worked on the original Wavestation, I totally support advancing the Wavesequencing form of sound manipulation. Good luck on your musical adventures.
@@PlugInGuruVideo Thats my point!
I own a Wavestation ex, a Korg Triton 88 pro etc...
Its when these types of hardware become sold on a platform that is hardware.... Thats all..
Like a Guitar, or bass, or a mic.. Make music.. But I'm just suggesting people not need look to the Voodoo that is a marketing ploy, just to say its not possible without such said hardware these days..
To music and beyond!
(Do hope you understand my thoughts as such)
;)
I just don’t see where bringing this out in software only form for those that don’t need another physical keyboard = some voodoo marketing ploy. People said they didn’t want another keyboard and here’s a solution.