Is this the best bow setup of 2 worlds? Recurve vs. Compound Bow
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Is this the best bow setup of 2 worlds? Recurve vs. Compound Bow
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You sould try to instal QuadUltraDropawayRest. It can work on recurve bows! Use lighter peep, Maximal peep is lighter, less wight more speed! Try to buy Easton4mm hunting arrows. I think they are about your spine500. You soud ordering the arrows whit X vanes fethers. The Ultra rest works whit litle vanes.
Your Dloop is not corect, its to high. Dont use that litle brass, use onley the Dloop. You shod look on some vids about howe its made, it have mani simple litle trick.
Easton arrows are the best! I think, you can shot whit EastonBlodline6mHunting arrows. I use CarbonExpressNativBroadheads. Chaep, single blade whit big penetration! Broadheads are big fun. Single blade cut on contact broadheads got the bigest penetration.
Hey Lilly! Does the release withstand permanent releasing at like 40pounds? (don’t know your setup but looks snappy :p) Compound bows are way easier to hold when pulled & i guess the stress on the release is not as big...
The arrows your using are to long for your draw
Q&A: Some people have noticed that my arrows are too long and that I should cut them off. If I was only shooting these arrows with this bow I would cut them off, but I am using these arrows with other bows as well. With the other bows I need more draw length. Also I don't want to change the spine at my arrows right now. So this is the reason why I dont cut off the arrows in this video :)
Spine is the arrows ability to flex. with wood arrows it is important because they can break and you can end up with a shaft piercing your forearm or hand (holding the bow). With aluminum too little will cause the arrow to porpoise ruining your accuracy. Graphite is is the worst of both.
Length is important too in that it gives the arrow a greater weight and slows your arrows speed.
I never used a sight and even with a sight closing one eye ruins your depth perception, Also you might consider a counter weight so you can relax your grip and not lose the bow.
24 m is a long bow shot. Who cares what other people think! (or say!) They are not shooting your bow and not in your situation, it is whatever you can hit the bullseyes with accuracy, that counts. When you unscrew your bow you have to tune it again, so both limbs exert equal pressure on the string. So I would recommend a bow that is built as a take-down in a similar draw weight, Happy shooting and hunting.
Ah Lilly this makes sense to me know. It also makes sense why you are useing the spline size that you are. Dont get to carried away adjusting your sights if you are going to get new arrows for that bow.
Also for your peep you can get a regular one and when you draw and it is crooked spin the string tighter or looser until it is straight then tie it to the string check out some videos about how to set up a peep :-)
Also a drop away rest or wisker biscut will really help as well
I have a compound and a recurve bow. I got diagnosed with breast cancer and have to have major surgery and I was worried I would not have the strength to pull the string back but after working with weights I am almost back to where I used to be. Your videos inspire me. Thank you
nice i'm happy to hear that!
You almost got me Dr Beth. Turtles don't have breast cancer. Nice try.
Nice one girl. You will get really strong in body and mind.
Nice one girl. You'll get strong in body and mind.
Hi Lilly. I had an idea about pull length consistency. If you removed the stretchy rubber tube and used pure string to orient the peep, then you could set up the bow such that the string would get tight at the same place every time -> pull length would be the same every time. Love your videos.
The purpose of a "D" loop, is to place the arrow nock between the 2 knots on each side of it
I just realized this on the thumbnail pic! Good eye!
And I would think the release aid is used because of the angle of the string, yet I have seen a guy shooting a compound with fingers
@@Cuisinenomade1 a release aid is a preference. I shoot both ways. But I commented 3 years ago on this, lol
As others have said, the D loop being higher than the knock is meaning your anchor is changing when using the Sight and release set up vs fingers and off the shelf….
Your knock is lower therefore your point is higher and string angle is pushing the knock out at a different angle and that’s why your arrows fly high! :D
I’m currently building a hybrid bow of my own as I agree compounds are too complicated and too much to go wrong but I would like to utilise the bits of compound archery that can help my accuracy.
Your videos are great thankyou so much :)
For some reason, the sound of the bow shooting and the arrow hitting the target is really satisfying.
I've gotten a lot of pointers in the last few years at my local archery range, one thing I hear them say all the time is hold your bow up in the air just like you're still aiming the bow until you hear the arrow hit the target, not sure how much this follow through matters, but personally whenever I drop my bow to look at the target while the arrow is midflight instead of using the recommended follow through, my shots either end up following the bow (dropping)...or my groups just become way looser. Usually by then one of the wiser archers will start murmuring "you're dropping your bow" to remind me, so I'm getting better. In my experience, the little pointers I get from experienced archers at my local archery range are just as valuable as paid lessons from an Olympic archery instructor, if not more valuable...no offense to any instructors of course. Sometimes it is the smallest changes that make the biggest overall improvements toward consistency, leave no stone unturned! Best of luck! :)
Its giant if you plan to hunt with your bow
Agreed fallow through is so important
To have a constant fixed draw length, just tie a kisser button as an anchor point. Good luck. Love your videos.
Yup I thought the same thing only I was thinking of a nose button.
Lilly, change to a round peep. It will mount into the string. That eliminates the noodle, reduces noise and get that thing out of the way. Also a cheap fix. Good luck and awesome work.
That was some awesome grouping. I've done a little archery, where I was just learning the basics, then life got in the way. Would you be able to do a video on proper techniques, and aim. Thanks for your cool videos.
Good job Lilly, my 9 year old gran daughter is in archery classes now for about the last year. She got a compound bow for Christmas. I am going to show her your videos on archery.
I wonder what a conversation between Lilly and Joerg Sprave would be like. 🤔
Joerg Showing his D: Let me show you it's features
@@jonathanng138 LMAO
He would probably find a way to catapult Lilly in the barn's door... 🤣
Predrilled holes are not an issue. Holes can be drilled and bolt nuts inserted to accommodate the sight screws.
I would also add a compound bow biscuit arrow rest since you have an offset aiming point by using a sight.
Wicked! I have a wind runner that I might try these modifications with. I have had tendinitis in my right shoulder for 6 months now and I find that if I draw back past my cheek, as opposed to anchoring at my mouth, it doesn't hurt. So, your idea with the trigger release really might make a difference for me, as I could bring my hand back further and get better back tension. Genius!!!
Thanks for this!
It's hard to find people who are knowledgeable about recurve bows in my area. This gave me some ideas about what I could use to improve my accuracy on mine, so thank you very much!
I have been shooting a simular setup for several years now. Accurate out 40 yards. If I were to really work on it I could get it out to 60 yards with a 35 - 45 lb pull and 29 inch reach. But I like all kinds of pistol and precision rimfire rifle competition a lot more.
I have an old pin bow sight, maybe i'll try this. What is interesting is where you attach your trigger release above the arrow nock instead of below the nock. I've never seen that before. Great video, thanks for sharing!
Great grouping, Lily !!! Pretty soon, you will be setting out grapes for your targets. Love your videos !
Ur doing real well!!!! I use a "Whisper Biscuit" rest on my 50 lb recurve, give's u the option of using synthetic vanes. That, a kisser button & thats all i use on that. The compound has all the gear & is the "tack driver"!!!!!
Dropping the bow is a good indicator that ur doing everything right! Well zoned in mentally really concentrating on the shot. 👍👍
This is inspiring! I think that's the direction I would want to go. I want to be able to break it down and light.
if you move the d loop down and nock the arrow in between the d loop, it will put the energy more behind the arrow, instead of shooting it with the arrow nocked below the d loop. it will increase accuracy a little more
Hey Lilly, great video and really educational for a novice bowman. Is there any chance of a rundown on the bow components etc. Keep up the great RUclips feed!
You're shooting a 5 pin site. I would try and figure your maximum range and set your lower pin to that range, then divide the range by 5 and set the remaining pins at equal distances. I have the pins on my compound bow, starting at 15 yards and in 15 yard increments out to 75 yards/68 meters, which is about maximum distance for where I hunt. I shoot a bare bow with my recurve, which takes a lot more practice. I shoot longer arrows and heavier tips on my recurve than I do from my Compound for the extra weight which helps with kinetic energy and penetration due to the slower arrow speed. It is all about what works best for you with the equipment that you have. Enjoyed the video, thanks.
Thank you! Could you please put links or descriptions as to what sight you got and the strong hole accessory as well?
I have just recently discovered your channel and really enjoy your videos. I also respect the fact that your archery preference is more of a primitive style as apposed to modern compound bows. Please keep doing what you're doing and continue to stay safe doing what you love to do.
lightness and precision with simplicity, I like that. I think I'll do the same with one of my wooden bows.
I’ve always wanted to try bow hunting with this type of bow. Might have to give it a go this year. Thanks for the video.
Great job! When you dropped the bow actually ment that you were holding it right. They make a sling that goes around your wrist to keep that from happening. Check it out. It really helped me.
This is so cool I know this is generally frowned upon in the classic style bow circles but I had always wondered if I could put my compound bow Tech onto a recurve because I like the Idea of a recurve but I also like to have sights
I really like that bow, I mostly use a Matthews compound bow but I would love to get into recurve or longbow to be more primitive
Same here, I have a matthews compound bow too. What is your model?
GM Survival halon 32
@@TexasJungle that's awesome! I have the "switch" model it's part of the mission set or something. Have a good day.
GM Survival sweet! Have a good day!
Compound bow ain't for me either. Everyone else in my family uses compound. Learned on the compound and now instinctive on a traditional bow.
Love the hybrid though. I'ma try this setup for my niece and nephew who really wanna be like their uncle 😅 Little buggers are deadly with slingshots. Not sure what the big difference is.
Great video! Thank you for the education about the bow and the modifications you have made on yours.
Nice. I've always wanted to do this, but somehow never did. Archery is one of these very traditional topics, where people permanently try to tell you what's "right" or "wrong", and creativity is often frowned upon. Keep experimenting! :-)
Lilly, I use the same release but I installed a velcro attached strip to tie the release back to my wrist following a salvo.
This way it does not bang & hang against your bow and arrows during extraction. I thought it was clever. //ji
you are doing great, shorter arrows will help. and i have never seen anyone nock the release over the arrow. allways nock under the arrow. paper tune will also help your accuracy
watched compound bow video ,your hiting your arrows. ! shoot one arrow at each target dot .took me runin 3 arrows before I figgered it out . bow sights are a big improvemt ,love your stuff !!
A good rule of thumb is inch group per 10 yards/meters. Two inch group 20yds, 3in 30yds
That's a very unrealistic goal for most archers. In fact that is better than average accuracy for most rifle shooters firing offhand.
@@Ijusthopeitsquick maybe if you consider everyone who has ever picked up a bow as "most archers", but most proficient archers (esp. Compound) should be able to shoot 270/300 in WA format, which is about a 2" group at 20 yards, including flyers. If I shot more than 2" group with a rifle at 20m, I would be embarrassed af.
@@Hirsutecyclist Anyone who can consistently group under 15" at 90 metres is a plausible contender for a place on an Olympic team, yet you claim that the average "proficient" archer should be able to shoot 9" groups at that distance. Absurd.
@@Ijusthopeitsquick ah. I didn't claim that. Just talking about 20, 30, 40. Hunting distances.
But in compound archery, 9" groups are still fairly common at 90. I don't shoot past 70, personally, and wouldn't feel comfortable ethically hunting at more than 60.
9:37 Is that right with the D loop nocking an arrow? Placing the nock below it? I've always put my nock inside the D loop.
Consistent Anchor point is very important. You do better with the sights. And a wrist sling will stop the Bow from jumping out of your hand. Your doing good keep shooting
Diamond infinite edge is the cheapest ready to shoot compound bow on the market[ usually under $300] comes with sights quiver, release, etc ..and its adjustable from 15-70 lbs of weight and the draw length is also fully adjustable.
When using the sight the first pin should be used for 20yrds, next pin 30yrds ect.
When adjusting the sight chase the arrow. With how you keep shooting high, I'd shoot off the shelf.
I liked when your camera person laughed at you
When adjusting your pins, always follow the arrow. Ie, if your shooting high, move your pin up. If your shooting to the left, adjust your pint further to the left
Hello Lilly,
I use to shoot arrows with a regular bow, otherwise known as a long bow. I once chased a cotton tail rabbit through brush and uneven terrain. I shot and hit the rabbit while it was running from me. The rabbit was around 30 feet away from me when I hit it.
Lilly, have you ever shot compound? If you ever have a light compound hunting bow professionally set up for you, with a drop away arrow rest and arrows perfectly suited to your bow suddenly you become a person whom can hit an apple at 30 meters consistantly with an arrow traveling at 250 kph or more, with your armstrenth in no time. BUT there is a joy in the simplicity of a recurve bow that a compound does not have. God bless.
My recurve can’t get here fast enough! Fun stuff.
Lily, a small stabilizer plus hand sling would help you a lot. A kisser button on the string would help you draw you bow the same way ever time. Open hand in sling you won't drop your bow. God bless
Good morning Lilly, I have to be careful when I walk through the forest when you play with a bow and arrow.
Hi Lilly , enjoyed your comments on the different bows you use , like you presentations as well ...
Keep up the Great work & I look forward to seeing more of your Adventures..
Regard & best wishes ...jimi from Australia...🤣🤣🤣🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Hey Lilly, any chance you can list the products that comprise this full set-up? Now, sight, release, etc
Great idea Lilly . I be always shot recurve. Korean is best. But just recently got a diamond edge sb1 compound which you can alter and change the string in the field without a bow compressor.
Hi... I've also put a sight on a recurve, but wouldn't go further, I like simplicity. The problem is the anchor point, if your anchor point is good, there is no need for a Peep. I cut my gloves so the index touches my face, so I improved a lot at 10 m. Can't wait testing outside with a stronger bow, see if the cut glove is effective at 30 m and 50 m. Just a suggestion... :) Love your videos, I learned a lot from them (I started one year ago). Keep it up.
There very light compound bows that are very comfortable. I use a Hoyt bow now but the Oneida X80 light was a great bow except for the release sounded like a rifle going off.
I love the bow and arrow
You're a wonderful shot, really impressive. I looked at your form throughout this video, which is a great tool. You mentioned varying draw length impacting elevation. I looked at your draw arm and couldn't really see anything there. Have you had a look at what your left hand is doing? Will be interested in your reply, if you're so inclined.
Love your channel. I look forward to replicating your setup on my own recurve bow.
I'm almost positive that using a metal Ultra Noc XL would greatly improve your accuracy with your bow. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000B0FYY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s03?ie=UTF8&psc=1
along with a few other tricks. (1) Place the Ultra Noc so that the arrow nock fits inside the U shape. (2) rotate the Ultra Noc on the string so that it is inline with the peep sight, then lock it down so the sight aligns with your line of draw, this will eliminate the need for the rubber tube and the string you are using. Cut off the stem on the sight that the rubber tube attaches to. The added weight of the metal Ultra Noc will be compensated for with the removal of the string nock, the brass nocking point marker , the rubber tubing and string and metal eyelet you now have on the bow plus cutting off the stem from the peep.. Some people claim the metal Ultra Noc XL makes more noise. I'm sure there is some minute noise increase compared to a bare string, but not near as much as the rubber tubing snapping back and flopping around against the bow limb. You can always use string silencer whiskers, I prefer 1/4 inch strips of rabbit fur about 6 to 8 inches long wrapped around the string. (3) Get rid of the extra pins on your sight. They will tend to confuse anyone when you have to make a quick shot. Set the pin for the longest range you are comfortable shooting at and simply aim a little lower at closer ranges. Your mind can judge the range a lot quicker than your eye can choose and verify the correct pin. (4) If you have trouble with reaching the same draw length each shot you might want to try a kisser button. It will ensure that the draw is exact for each draw. (5) I noticed you seem to have 3 arrows in a tight group and a stray or two. Try eliminating the stray arrows the next couple of rounds to see if the same 3 arrows are more accurate than the strays. All arrows do not fly exactly the same. Google Paper Tuning and give that a try if you haven't already. (6) I used to practice shooting coke bottle caps at 20 and 30 yards. It narrows down your focus on a target that small. Even if you never hit the cap it will force your focus on a smaller area. It all comes down to FOCUS and MUSCLE MEMORY.
If you only practice shooting at a 12 inch circle, then all you will every hit is a 12 inch circle.
" AIM SMALL - MISS SMALL ". Good Luck.
your shooting form seems good... shows you are not holding the bow too tight when it jumped from your hand. I think at the end your arm was just getting tired and you had some shake.. but overall ... great shooting.
I notice your D Loop is above your arrow nocking point. Normally it should be placed directly behind your arrow nock. With that setup, the arrow rest, your arrow nocking point, the D loop, and the release aide are all aligned. That’s just my observation. Good shooting.
Thanks. You can always make your own bow which is always interesting. Life is too complicated.
Hi Lily you should shorten the arrow to match your draw length.and your draw length should remain the same. Thank you for the videos
I love it when you put up archery videos.
Nice, I have a similar setup on my matthews compound bow. I like the peep sight. Cheers lilly.
Nice video but I have a question. I used to be big into field archery 65 years ago but nothing since then although I still enjoy watching these types of vidoes. From what I recall, arrows should not extend more than 25 mm or so beyond the bow at full draw. Why do you shoot such long arrows?
I Really like the increased accuracy you have attained. Some people whine about this to being “traditional” but than neither are none- wood arrows, or limbs. Heck traditionally we couldn’t go the Academy sports, or yun tube to get out dinner hunter,
Lilly again I love watching your videos ! I have a PSE ( precision shooting equipment) compound bow with a overdraw system, it allows me to shoot shorter arrows which gives me more speed ( fps ). I love my peep sight. I only use 50 pound pull it's incredibly accurate at 40 m . You are awesome pretty lady. ❤ from Texas.
looks like the Arrow rest is affecting your shot. turn it so it points forward not up.
Hej Lilly, I nvr shot a bow, but in the army they made me a sniper (rifle). With proper distance measurement n accurate adjustment of scope the accuracy was pretty satisfying. But for normal hunting, i.e. walking, seeing a target, shoot immediately it cant be used, the adjustments simply take too much time. Therefore for normal hunting, a good std-weapon combined with yr skills including eyeside will be superior. Cheers fm Achim, Singapore+
Nice video, I`m with you about recurve vs. compound bows plus archery needs a lot practice , but your are good.
Would it be better if you rotated the eye you fitted 90 degrees so the string always comes off from the centre line?
Lilly me sert de modèle, j'aime particulièrement sa recherche de nouvelles façons de tirer. Choses que j'ai déjà essayé. Bravo.
you should be knocking your arrows inside the D loop, not below. that's probably why your shooting high.
I love the release idea with recurve, even though it gets away from the simplicity. I tried it as I was shooting much and causing real tendon problems in my fingers. It really screwed up my arrow flight for whatever reason and had to ditch it in under 30 arrows. back to ruining my tendons. anyone knows why I'd love to further consider it. I've hunted with them and compounds in the past, so don't think I was using it wrong.
Love the archery videos! keep them coming. I shoot a bare bow and support all archery
Since everyone's giving you tips...here's mine. Shooting accurately (as in repeatedly) requires you do everything the same with each shot as much as possible. Watch in the video how your bow hand drops with the bow as you release. This becomes muscle memory and you will start dropping the bow as soon as you release and it will be inconsistent. In that fraction of a second your hand will drop at different instants and affect aim. (I tend to do the same thing because I always shot heavy bows). I try to focus on feeling like I am pushing my bow hand into the shot and towards the target through the release to keep from dropping my bow arm. It makes a big difference. You should have a consistent technique with the release hand as well. If you want to see some cool shooting search youtube for Jeff Kavanagh. He's inspiring!
I noticed that you mentioned how arrow flights can change depending on how far back you pull the string. I switched to the Free Flight Loop Hook Trigger Pull release aid years ago and I get a more comfortable, consistent anchor point everytime because of how the release aid is setup. I didn't know if it might help you. Just a thought and am not trying to correct you or anything! I like your channel and videos!
How did you make the quiver for your bow or did you buy it somewhere I’d love to get my self one :)))
Hi Lily, love your videos but you asked so here it goes. I mean no disrespect if that setup works for you then use it. But my thoughts on shooting a recurve, long bow, or hybrid recurve/longbow is to keep things simple and traditional. The more you have going on the more there is to go wrong. I’m a former compound shooter and now all I shoot are the bows I listed. I shoot off the shelf, split finger, and both eyes open. I may not get 1” groups but I do get 3” groups and that’s fine by me. I wish there wasn’t a pond between us so we could shoot together sometime. So, again love your videos always a fan stay safe and keep up the good work. Kev😊
Stabilizers would help, BUT, you can't walk in the woods comfortably. I think you're going in the right direction with this recurve.
Nice, but if i had to choose... i'll choose a .22LR carbine with a red dot and good quality ammo; it use to be more expensive, more complex from the laws perspective but i think that for all survival situations... would be better.
Hi Lilly add a kisser button and a hand strap (your grip is brilliant do not change it, the strap will stop the now falling on the floor)
I see everyone is giving tips... here is one I don't see: try to release tension in your neck so that your spine alignment is more consistent. Then you will have a better anchor point. Also, seeing as you are shooting a release, work on pulling through your shot rather than punching the trigger.
Really interesting setup! I will definitely check this out!
Not an Archer yet. Will be when I get the time & you as my mentor
Using the Recurve Bow or the
Long Bow style............Thanks....
gracias Mija desde California thank-you
beautiful bow, i'm looking to get into archery and i've been recommended to start with a Samik Sage or PSE Night Hawk :D
Would you recommend this for hunting and just target shooting? I have a compund bow but want something more connected and traditional but also want to add a sight to help with accuracy.
Good shooting Lilly. Love your new puppy 😁
Should have done that to your Phantom. It was built for exactly that...
I agree to keeping archery simple like KISS (keep it simple stupid). Compounds are just not made for survival because you cant really take them down/repair in the field as Lilly says. Once again a very good post.
Try paper tuning the Bow Lilly it will ensure that the arrow shoots the straightest
Totally different...and why the hell not..love it
This is a great idea.
Recurves are cool.....but I like compounds for that type of shooting.....at that distance you would be splitting nocks . For me I love instinctive shooting with the long bow
Very informative, i learned alot
Your arrows are to long for your draw. They look like they are 4" to long. They will do better the shorter, in flight and your aim will change, speed will pick up
length doesn't matter, shortening them will change the spine which might make them slap off the riser, the whole 1-2 inches longer than your draw myth is bullshit. spine is more important.
a long arrow isn't necessarily a bad thing. Getting proper flight of the arrow is paramount. to achieve this you must find the correct arrow length. Finding the correct length of the arrow depends on it's stiffness and draw weight and not draw length alone.
Tim Hazel long or not she can shoot that bow accurately. I think she explained herself pretty plainly.
@@RobFishYT to get the right flight from the arrow depends on the weight of the arrow not how long it is. If you have an arrow that is to light for a 70# bow it will not matter how long the arrow will be. At some point you will start shooting a spear. The same goes for if the arrow is to heavy. Shooting wood arrows is a new ball game then the modern carbon arrows and the older alu.
I have been shooting and hunting with bows for 50 years. I have worked in bow shops as well as sporting good shops for a good many years.
Each and every customer is fitted with a bow is fitted with a release is checked for draw and then the right arrows are picked out for them and cut to the right draw length.
@@sallyk9298 Well, then you would just use an arrow with different spine arrow o.0
Wieder tolles Video....deine Videos haben mich zum Bogenschießen bewegt....und es ist zum meiner Passion geworden, mir gefällt deine Technik sehr gut, und ich mag das total wie du mit deinem Bogen herum experimentierst. Ein kleiner Tipp, wenn du länger nicht mehr geschossen hast mach kurzdistanzschüsse und probier etwas kürzere Pfeile. Lg aus OÖ
Have you tried a finger sling when not gripping bow?
Hi, thank you for the video ! It seem that your arrows are too long ... try with shorters it’ll be more efficient 😉 (sorry for my english spelling....i’m french)
I love your videos... thank you