Golden Cheetah26 what if, he created it and he got so angered, the power overflowed and h got so out of his mind that he started to destroy everything out of hatred ?
He could be like the monks, where he's preserved, but still has full awareness of what's around him, while all his malice forms have been out of his control since he's been sealed by that hand for so long.
Or perhaps the reversed audio is a sign. Instead of coming from Ganondorf's corpse, perhaps it's actually pouring all of its power and malice into trying to take the Triforce of Power's abilities by reanimating his corpse.
Ganon never died, He was kept alive by the "Green Hand Seal", he appears to be dead;his body rotted and withered away, but he was still alive. Similar to the Sheikah Monks.
Mediocrity Well, I think the problem is that 10,000 years ago, Malice was nowhere nearly as powerful or relevant, and it's possible nobody even knew what it was in detail. And remember that Skyward Sword took place thousands of years before the beginning of this 10,000 year period. We are talking about Malice having originated maybe 20,000 years ago, and it had at least 10,000 years to evolve in secret and in hiding. Nobody could have predicted said evolution.
He used correct Grammer "One and a half years before today" One and a half year wouldn't make sense. Before you try to correct people make sure to correct yourself
This is the same thing I thought especially with everything we see. We saw Ganondorf's mummified body get reanimated with Malice's eyes. I can't wait to see if this is exactly what happens.
There's another way Skyward Sword couls tie into Malice's creation: Skyward Sword reveals that Ganon/Ganondorf is the reincarnation of the Demon God, Demise. After his defeat at the hands of Skyward Sword's Link, he curses Link and Zelda to an endless cycle of reincarnation, with his own reincarnation rising to act against them each time until he finally defeats them. Malice could be a part of Demise's curse; his way of ensuring that all of Hyrule suffers even if his reincarnation can't directly act against it.
@Ben Fetchak dark beast Ganon is a hatred and malice incarnate. Ganondorf is the reincarnation of demise himself, malice is his hatred given a physical form
@@oreo1749 thats not true ganon is not a reincarnation of demise. That misconception is from the english translation that is not really correct. The curse of demise is the whole demon race his hatred "reincarnates" in the form of all demons not just Ganon. That's why Link and Zelda are reincarnated every time demons threaten hyrule not just ganon.
Another bit about the Evil Crystal: When you pick it up in-game, the description box not only again refers to it as a "chunk of crystallized monster malice" but also points out its extreme rarity. (It's second only to Goddess Plumes in terms of rarity.) In BotW, the stuff is everywhere. It can multiply, and do so at an alarmingly fast rate. All it needs is a source of pure water to befoul and spread through. ...Instant apocalypse, just add water?
Wolfgang Drachenberg Well, that amount of time is less relevant for multiplication itself and more relevant in terms of its evolution and its ability to adapt to Shiekah technology such that it could outperform it and cause the destruction that it did during the Great Calamity. This ability to outperform Shiekah technology is also perfectly consistent with what we observe in the trailer for the sequel of Breath of the Wild.
This honestly makes me wonder if by the end when Ganondorf 'gives up reancarnation' he's really just dead. Malice reanimates the dead, controls spirits and causes mindlessness. It makes me consider if in the end you aren't fighting Ganondorf, but Malice given a mobile and highly destructive vessel. Just a thought.
I was thinking about this, and I agree completely. Maybe Ganondorf is really just dead, and his body was resurrected (by the Yiga clan) using Malice and parts of Sheikah tech.
Ganon doesn’t actually give up on reincarnation, in the Japanese version Zelda tells us that his transformation into Dark Beast Ganon was because of his unwillingness to give up on reincarnating or something to that effect
"The aimless spirits of monsters slain in the name of the light return to flesh" Link: *_"aww s*&#, here we go again."_* (Or *_"it's free real estate"_* )
In the Japanese dialog, Zelda states that Ganon has NOT given up on resurrection, but implies that he allowed himself to take on a corrupted form to continue his rampage. Perhaps, while he was in his cocoon, he was attempting to merge with the malice and gain its power, but after emerging prematurely (according to his entry in the compendium) became completely taken over by the malice, which then absorbed the power of the triforce (which was in Zelda) and became the Dark Beast.
NintendoBlackCrisis The Power that Zelda wields is the Light Force. The Full Triforce Mark you see in the Flashbacks signifies that she can use her powers and it isn't the Whole thing but the Light Force. The Triforce cannot be absorbed in which way necessary. Only the Light Force can be syphoned to gain power. Vaati and Calamity Ganon drained some of it though.
Malice was also present in The Wind Waker and Spirit Tracks. In the Wind Waker it was a gas and you wouldn't be able to use any of your weapons much like in Skyward Sword. In Spirit Tracks, it was also a gas. When you would go into it, you would lose your hearts. Also in Phantom Hourglass, when the Hourglass has ran out of Golden Sand, you would also lose hearts and the player would get a purple glow, gassy glow around them. Maybe a way to fight Malice is with the Golden Sand from the Phantom Hourglass itself. Or at least protect the owner of the Hourglass against the malice.
In Twilight Princess there's also the purple, poisonous fog in Faron when Link first enters the twilight and the 'water' in Diababa's bossroom is also the same shade of purple, but idk if those can be counted as malice or not. Diababa does have a very malice-looking eye in its mouth, though.
Another small detail to point out. This isn't too important, but it came to mind as I was watching the video. I see people all over the internet that are part of the BotW community complain about how easy the final boss fight; Beast Ganon was. Quite evidently, Lynels and Monk Maz Koshia are more difficult than most of the Blights, as well as Calamity and Beast Ganon. The whole 'mindless' idea perfectly explains why that's the case. I'm positive that if the final bosses weren't controlled by the Malice, and had a mind of their own, they would be much more difficult to beat. Note how Lynel attacks are much more coordinated and difficult to avoid than those of Beast Ganon. And Maz Koshia and Lynels definitely don't seem to be controlled by Malice. I just thought I would point that out to resolve all of those complaints. I love your channel by the way, keep up the great work! Edit: I came back to this almost a year later. Many of the replies pointed out Thunderblight Ganon, and that he was certainly not easy. I'd say that now, my theory mostly applies to Dark Beast Ganon, so it's still worth mentioning. If I come up with anything else, I'll let everyone know.
Lynels and Monk Maz Koshia are not more difficult it is just a matter of figuring out how to kill them being different. Once you know how to kill the Lynels they are rather easy. But even knowing how to kill the Ganons they are still no pushoever.
TriforceGirl05, agree. Lynels: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Blight: Aight, this is why I have elemental arrows, aaaaaand the boss is stupid
So what? Okay maybe there is a theory to explain it. Maybe Nintedo will come out and prove this theory true. Itdoesnt matter though. The Boss is still really easy and anti-climactic. Just becaude it is explained in the story doesnt mean it is a good idea for a game. I would rather the Gameplay be good with nothing explaining what I am looking at than a really shitty fight that looks cool and is explained through logic. I want to clarify I dont have a burning hatred for the last Boss. I dont like it much but this os the first time I have complained about it on the internet.
Correct me if i am wrong but i didnt see anyone mentioning Koloktos, the boss in skyward sword, which surprised me. I mean, an ancient robot reanimated by black-purple substance? Seems familiar.
TheDrakevm I had mentioned that in a comment made by someone. I also was planning to put it in the video, but due to video length I decided to keep it out.
ah ok, sorry, my mistake. But really, only now because of this video, i realized how similar the blight ganons and koloktus really are. So thanks for that.
Also, we have to remember that Demise is the origin of the Bokoblins and evil. In some way, he's the creator of the Malice that we know and love. So what if, his incarnation as he said, is not Ganondorf, from a certain point of view, but the Malice. Demise's hatred towards the Hero and the Descendant of the Goddess survived throught this dark energy called Malice, it would make sense.
NintendoBlackCrisis You definitely should... I was going to make a similar comment, stating my doubt about the pools in the Ancient Cistern being the origin of Malice. It is likely to be the same situation as in BOTW, where they are infected by the Malice. Now, as to whether Demise is the origin of Malice is debatable. On one hand, it makes sense. I know you haven't played Skyward Sword, so I don't know if you want it to be spoiled. If not, stop reading now! Haha, otherwise, with his last words, Demise states that his hate never perishes, but is born anew in a cycle with no end... He curses all the descendants of those with the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero to be eternally bound to being haunted by endless reincarnations of his hate. On the other hand, I think of Malice as basically the Dark Side. We wouldn't say that Goddess Hylia created Love and Joy, right? She's basically the Light Side balance to Demise. Since they balance each other out, it always comes down to (re)incarnations duking it out on their respective deity's behalf for eternity. Thus, I agree with one of the above comments that there must have been something lost in translation at the end of BOTW. These particular incarnations of Malice (all the blights, Calamity Ganon, and Dark Beast Ganon) may be gone, but the Dark Side will never vanish. As for its sentience, I think the Force is again a good analogy. Malice is only as sentient insofar as it is consumes and corrupts, just as the Dark Side does. It's obviously not a perfect fit, but I think this struggle between light and dark is a recurring motif throughout the franchise (e.g. The Light/Dark Worlds in A Link to the Past, or the Dark Link version of yourself that you fight) that isn't just about good vs. evil in the abstract, but a more tangible fight with a material force/energy.
Hovanes Gasparian Very true! Good arguments for both sides. Skyward Sword sounds like a very interesting game story-wise. Whenever I get the chance I'll make sure to play it :)
I'd argue that malice is inherited as an ability. ALttP makes the first reference to malice, as the manual states that despite Ganon being in the sacred realm, a noxious substance had started seeping into Hyrule. Twilight Princess is the first formal introduction of malice, with Ganondorf using it as an actual source of power. In the Decline Timeline, we see Ganondorf giving up his own mortality using the full Triforce, forever becoming Ganon: the Demon King. This is why Pig Ganon is the only incarnation that can't be killed. He can be destroyed, like a bokoblin, but he always resurrects at some point. This seems to hint at Ganon being the full on replacement or incarnation equivalent to Demise, since he takes over as Demon King and has fully shed mortality.
So let me get this straight. Malice is a disease to Hyrule, and matching that with the title "Breath of the Wild", its sort of implying that Hyrule is metaphorically "alive"? Interesting
Robin Hoot if you notice in the cutscene before the one where you get all the memories Zelda and Link walk away from hyrule castle and you can see that the malice that was once in castle town is gone. So you are thinking correctly
I was thinking about this as well, it was bothering me that it was simple to fight and defeat Calamity Ganon, the Blights, etc, I had a feeling they had more in store with Malice and I'm glad we are both right and the BOTW2 had finally touched on where Malice is coming from, and how it is only just different aspects of Ganon's power being corrupted. Good job!
There's another piece of evidence that supports your theory that you didn't to mention (but it's understandable, since you haven't played skyward sword). The boss of the ancient cistern is some kind of guardian made of metal parts connected by a black and purple goey substance, which resembles the malice quite a lot.
My theory in this game was that the temple bosses in the game, fire blight, water blight, wind blight. were not entities in their own but rather the former champions themselves, what you stated a blight to be a disease, a disease is not usually a stand alone organism, it parasites off of something or someone, one piece of evidence I thought about was when Link became apart of the tech that allowed his teleportation from shrine to shrine. The way he re enters the world if you look at the blights when you start the fight It is very similar, another bit I thought about was the weapons each blight used; water blight used a spear, like the Zora princess, wind blight had a fair mastery of ranged weapons and cyclones(similar to revali's gale), the lightning blight had a shield and sword like the treasured weapons you get from the geruda that belonged to their chief , my theory: in defeating the blights Link is either killing the bodies of or killing the champions from 100 years ago and in doing so freeing their spirits
I dont know... for one part you can be right but the rest of it is that the champions also had to battle these fuckers. They knew the traits of the blights like Urbosa: this thing is fast Revali: its aim is dead on So i dont think its entirely true but it coukd be that the blights were once just tiny ganons but absorbed the chanpions when they were defeated. That could be a possible theory,
Remember revali was good with a bow so maybe the blights were weak weaponless except wind blight so they earned the champion weapons and the champions were consumed and wind blights aim got better and the torpedos were the cause of revali firing 3 arrows at once
this theory sounds really good, maybe that's one of the reasons why the champions knew their weaknesses despite dying; because it was THEIR weaknesses and they were trying to warn you about their fighting skills It could also reflect why Link has a different teleport animation when leaving the Divine Beasts, is not the regular animation because is Zelda cleansing the malice from Link (if it really was some sort of disease)
I found more! LoZ: Minish Cap & Four Swords. Vaati. As the final boss in Minish Cap, he transforms into a sorty black cloud with one single gold/red eye and is protected by eight blue orbs ('Vaati Transfigured'). Again, arrow in the eye seals his death. But there is more. He transforms again, now he is a giant eyeball with two 'arms' which are made out of black orbs ending in golden pincer-like claws and has four smaller eyes protecting him from any attack, this form is called 'Vaatis Wrath'. (also, inside of him are also little eyes which look somewhat like bactaria?) He also appears in Four Swords in a form like 'Vaatis Wrath' and can **posess objects** in the first form of the final fight. Oh boy, is there a connection? Vaati was full of hatred, of seeking power, he could be 'infected' with Malice which made him take the Magic Cap and do the wish. He has to be infected before it got full control of him, just like the spirit in Breath of the Wild or the Malice was was not fully grown to infect humans just like a bokoblin, most likly because humans are smarter or just evolutionary further?
Yuubi Timberwolf once botw came out and I knew about malice, I looked back at my 4 swords anniversary edition, defeated vaati's wrath for the 5th time, and noticed such similarity, your not the only one who noticed that
@@mis_l5858 Matpat made a theory about Kirby being an amoeba. I have no idea why Melody Whispersong is angry that Matpat made a theory about Kirby, although I would love that he would make a new theory covering Kirby lore.
In a way, you did predict Ganondorf's return. Calamity Ganon was born out of all that muck that was leaking from Ganondorf in TotK, that Rauru's hand and magic could not purify. That escaping stuff would build up and create Calamity Ganon at least twice over.
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This is one of my 2 FAVOURITE zelda theories. Additionally, most games have enemies explode into purple smoke when you defeat them - a gaseous form of malice, perhaps? This means that the reason why monsters in zelda fight you and are evil, probably isn’t because they genuinely support Ganon’s cause, but because they’re infected by malice. However, it’s not that much because in botw they dance around campfires and the like and are really quite endearing so they’re not entirely mindless. ALSO in Skyward Sword, Demise says “my hate never perishes”. Most believe this refers to the reincarnations of the bearer of the triforce of power. However, doesn’t that seem odd to you? Din is a goddess like Nayru and Farore, so why would she allow her piece of the triforce to be continually used for evil? Maybe Demise was actually referring to malice. Maybe he meant that malice never goes extinct, but continues to infect. The reason why it always infects the wielder of the triforce of power is because it’s a good survival strategy - corrupt someone who already has so much hatred and power because they will be able to help the malice spread.
Another thing! The purple smoke when enemies dies must be malice because it only appears when an enemy dies. If a (not infected by malice) horse dies in botw, the corpse simply disappears - no smoke! Additionally, while I haven’t played them, I think in an older game there’s a moblin (or another monster) which isn’t evil. This means there can be monsters that aren’t corrupted by malice, which results in them not being evil.
ALSO: Members of the Yiga Clan don't burst into purple and black (I think. It's been a while since I killed one.) which stands that they aren't mindless enemies like the others are. They really are just jerks
I Support you Bokoblins eye and Moblins And Lizalfos has a red or pink or purple shaded eye and sometimes black and malice is kinda red pink and purple with alot of black its kinda vice versa
You know, now that TotK is out, this actually becomes a lot more sinister. As we know, Ganondorf was imprisoned beneath hyrule castle. Therefore the calamities and malice are not ganon at all. They are just physical manifestations of his hatred and rage from being imprisoned for all those years. You should definitely make an updated malice theory in the future, and one about gloom possibly.
It's interesting to think about the origin of evil itsel in Hyrule. Skyward Sword is the earliest game in the story and all we know is that the godesses created the land and gave the triforce to Hylia so it would be "guarded". Then we learn that one day, demonic forces came from a fissure in the land. It's not clear if evil was created by the godesses to be present in Hyrule or if evil invaded the land afterwards. Considering that the sacred powers directly oppose the malice/evil ones, it may be that the gods know of forces opposing then and they cannot stop them from infecting their creation. Demise himself states that he hates the gods. Maybe malice is this evil in a more pure form while Demise was just one great user of this power and created ganon as a side effect of his curse (ganon as an embodiment of the curse, not just the gerudo incarnation) and so it would be quite possible for Malice to take control of Ganon or for some other user of Malice to do it. This hatred of the gods though... It's interesting to think there's more to it. The Twili also betrayed the gods and used shadow magic, but Midna said their magic was different from Ganon's. Probably the shadows were created by the godesses opposed to malice. Thus the fused shadow could not win against the Light Spirits but a Ganon powered Zant could. Thinking of Sacred powers, Zelda's only awakened when she expressed self-sacrifice (or love) for Link. Maybe the conflict between Malice and the Sacred is a conflict between love for others and selfshness/disdain for others in it's core (?). The Malice reviving the dead trough hatred may be a way to oppose the order created by Nayru. Anyway, I love your theories ❤️
And what if the Malice is DIVINE in nature? Maybe it's a being like the gods but focused on leading existence to chaos and nothingness. It doesn't create anything (as it would be against it's purpose of destroying), just corrupts the creations of the gods. Maybe hatred is the way malice manifests in the mind because it's a feeling that destroys things while love preserves things and ultimately creates more of it. So... anything the gods create is vulnerable to Malice because it's a kind of god itself. THIS FINALY would explain why the goddesses designed the Triforce in the way it is... Only non-divine beings can use it, as stated by Hylia in Skyward Sword, and the beings that can use it must master wisdon, courage and power.. and since the beings infected by malice lose hemselves to a destructive existence, it's unlikely they would wield it. So the godesses designed the Triforce so it would be a powerful weapon AGAINST MALICE, granting the wishes of those aligned with the gods only and preserving the creations... Wow, that's a lot to think about
Just look at dark beast Gannon's entry in the hyrule compendium"After Gannon was defeated by link the remains malice pulled itself together to form the bestial creature its appearance and fiendish magic earned it the name dark beast" that line alone proves this
This is a beautiful theory. You deserve a lot more recognition in the Zelda theory community. I really enjoy how many directions this theory can go and how many ideas it brings to the table. Also shame on you for not playing skyward sword lol
From what I know the “given up on reincarnation” thing is a mistranslation, the original is more along the lines of “given up on this specific incarnation and assumed a pure enraged form, and also refuses to give up on reincarnation itself”. Which still ties in I think, a desire for survival distorted into madness
The Malice does give me a strong SCP vibe sometimes... :) I mean, even _monsters_ should (or would) fear it if they knew what it does to their corpses after death...
Here's my take on the theory: Malice has existed since Skyward Sword, but is is not Ganon's creation. Note that the king says in Breath of the Wild that Ganon "transformed" into malice. It's possible that Ganon originally tried to assume a form similar to the ones he has been in before, the boar/beast/Ganon thing. However, during his transformation into Ganon, he tried to possess the Malice and use it to control the Sheikah technology, but in the process, corrupted himself and became the Calamity. And about malice being able to learn? It may have created the Blights because of knowledge and power absorbed from Ganon. The best way to think about this is to compare it to the X parasites in Metroid Fusion. The malice could have absorbed Ganon's power and intelligence to cause the Calamity the same way the X took over Samus' Power Suit to become the SA-X, as well as corrupting and absorbing several other bosses, including Ridley. But malice is also a substance, and the whole "corruption" part making it learn makes it more similar to Phazon from the Metroid Prime trilogy. After all, Phazon was able to learn from organisms it corrupted, which, coincidentally, also included Samus. I believe that Malice has been there from the start, acting on its own, waiting to try to corrupt Link, Ganon, or even both (though in the end, it only succeeded in corrupting Ganon). Also, I won't object to criticism of my theory. I can use it to make revisions.
Coming here after E3, I just wanted to point out the creature in the Botw sequel trailer. It’s eyes are exactly like the ones Malice grows. You think maybe we’ll be directly fighting against Malice in the next game?
It HAS to be near the end or IS the end of the timeline if Ganon has given up on reincarnation. Reincarnation is why the Zelda/Link/Ganon struggle was continuing at all. So if Ganon won't reincarnate anymore, then he'll be defeated and that'll be the last of him forever.
as mentioned before, it's a miss translation, but at the same time, that was being reincarnated as a person (Ganondorf) so when he did not reincarnate, he assumed his pure enraged form, the evil that is reborn time and time again
Umatsu Obossa One thing that hasn't been discussed much is the Curse Of Demise, where he unleashes a final curse on Hyrule, dooming for the dark beast, the princess with the blood of the goddess, and the chosen hero to fight and reincarnate for eternity. Ganon giving up on reincarnation basically means that the Curse Of Demise has ended.
I love how a lot of people are saying that this theory destroyed their point of view of the game, but for me, it was enhanced! I know Nintendo™ isn't planning to create another Zelda game anytime soon, but can you just imagine? A game where Gannon isn't the final boss, but rather Malice, that has evolved enough to talk, eat, and maybe have a "humanoid form"! It would be the next darkest game of the franchise after Majora's Mask.
Mauro Fantin Yeah, who knows what games we get in the future. They might not make malice be the "main antagonist" or make another game based off of it, but it's still interesting to consider the possibility!
TBH, I wouldn't like some kind of incarnation of Malice as a BBEG. There's not really any possibility for depth or complexity when you make a character the embodiment of hatred/evil/whatever. Sure, it can be sp00ky, but it doesn't lend itself well to character development. Look at Ganondorf in Wind Waker. He very clearly had some amount of depth and ruminated on why he grew to covet power and the triforce. Sure, it's minimal, but it's there and enhanced the game greatly. Even Majora's Mask, probably the scariest villain in the franchise, basically just had some twisted up views on companionship leading his terrible actions, and wasn't a bland incarnation of whatever emotion. That's why I didn't like Ganon in BotW. He has no character anymore and is just a big evil magic boar who smashes stuff and shoots lasers. I would much prefer a more humanized villain who uses the malice to his own gain, and isn't necessarily linked to it.
Mauro Fantin well, I think it would be interesting. As Melody Anonymous said, it wouldn't be interesting or in depth of if it's all evil and hatred. But what if the Malice did have a humanoid form. I believe it would be interesting, creepy, and actually had the idea of instead of destroying it. But trying to get enough people to kill the gods of Hyrule and the rest of the world make it it's own realm. I think that would show how it evolved, and that would show something that not even Gannon has gone to great lengths to do. But Demise has tried but wanted the Triforce to do it. I'm talking about challenging the gods directly. Idk, just an idea and would show a huge and probably the most powerful villain in the game series
At the start of the game, Link is dead, gone, only brought back by the Shrine of Resurrection that YOU activate. Basically, Link is the “mindless” (unconscious) figure that YOU operate. And the only time he ever kills is by your hand, if your malice wills him to do so.
Except this is false, because Link was not dead. Just to be clear, the game clarifies that Link was sent to the shrine of resurrection because Zelda sensed that the Master Sword still responded to Link's pain and still glowed, which confirms that Link was still indeed alive, even if he was due to die soon. The "resurrection" in the name of the Shrine of Resurrection is more akin to clinical resurrection and less akin to actual, metaphysical resurrection.
Cyclone Rowan You don't even need to reference the Japanese version. The developer notes in the Creating a Champion book state, in the English version of the book, that while Link was almost entirely silent prior to the Calamity, his memory loss and the lifting of his burden from said loss has caused him to be much more talkative, social, and even flirty.
You never mentioned the blood moon. When a blood moon rises, malice is seen everywhere, floating around. It also reanimates every enemy, but stronger than before. How long before it is able to reanimate Hylians, Gerudo, Gorons, etc and turn them into mindless creatures of destruction?
This just tickles my brain every time I see stuff on Malice, it's just interesting like the closer to the castle the more malice there was. It gave me the idea Malice was feeding on the land spreading further infecting and corrupting.
legendsoflocalization (DOT) com/breath-of-the-wilds-ganon-in-english-japanese/ This is the first piece i read on it but multiple people are giving out different info and something i have also seen is that he has given up on regeneration... I personally don't speak or read japanese so i am reliant on what other people are saying, so i am wary of most other people. Something that was also pointed out to me is that zelda at the end says that "Ganon is gone for now." contradicting that he has giving up on reincarnating. It's weird and confusing but am i personally theorizing with a possible misstranslation in the back of my mind.
What it says in the original Japanese (and the non-English translations, for that matter) is that Ganon's final form is the result of his multiple reincarnations. The "giving up" part is NOWHERE to be seen. Also, I'm afraid the term "Malice" was also something that NOA pulled out of their asses. In the original the "Malice" is just a generic dark energy, without any other special meaning. And these are far from the only issues. Seriously, translation liberties are not inherently a bad thing, but the English team at NOA got WAAAAAAAAAAAAY over the line with "Breath of the Wild". The non-English localizations where more faithful in general. NOE tends to be more disciplined than NOA when it comes to this kind of stuff.
XanderVJ You maybe got some sources? If translated by yourself could you maybe quote what it says exactly? I might need to replay the entire game in another language (if there is one i know...) to see the differences
Sorry to jump into this conversation, but I found several articles that all led back to this one: legendsoflocalization.com/breath-of-the-wilds-ganon-in-english-japanese/ Basically the Japanese translation is something like "the Dark Beast form is a result of Ganon *refusing to give up on being reincarnated*", or at least the meaning is to that effect. People are drawing the conclusion that NoA took too many liberties with translation, but... eh. Edit: The article also shows the "secret" ending, and the two situations are reversed there. In English Zelda says "Ganon is gone _for now_ ", but the Japanese version doesn't have any phrase like that.
They might be related to blood moons in some way, I mean, the floating stuff that comes from malice and is inside dungeons is the same as what comes up during a blood moon
That's because as Zelda states the blood moon is when Ganon's power is at its greatest. And I believe that the Malice is the pure essence of evil, evil which was brought apon the world by Demise, who reincarnated into Ganon. I don't think Ganon was taken over by the malice, Ganon IS the malice. He gave up his ability to reincarnate and shed his form to become pure hatred, and hatred is hard to control so he lost control of himself. The point that we can't say that Calamity Ganon is actually Ganon because the blights are also called Ganon in the video doesn't make sense to me, as the blights are fragments of Ganon.
I noticed something. So you know how urbosa carries a sword and shield right? And what does thunderblight ganon carry? A sword and shield. What does mipha carry? A trident. What does waterblight ganon carry? A trident. What does daruk carry? A cobble crusher. What does fireblight ganon carry? A massive fire axe! What does revali use? A bow. What does windbight ganon use? A arm cannon. See? Its like the ganons are corrupted versions of the champions.
I noticed quickly Great Eagle Bow vs ancient gun Scimitar of the Seven + Daybreaker vs ancient short sword and shield Boulder breaker vs ancient claymore Lightscale trident vs ancient spear
Wait, so would that mean that Koloktos from Skyward Sword was reanimated and/or taken over by malice just like Ganon? Before the boss fight, Ghirahim, says that he was there trying to find clues in order to reincarnate his master, Demise. Right after that he brings Koloktos to life, with some sort of malice-like substance.
I just noticed this now, but when we purify the spirit we had to destroy the eyes. WE DESTROYED THE EYES IN DARK BEAST GANON, does that mean we purified Ganon from the malice? - just a quickie to think about
I think he isn't made of malice but the malice is a kind of armor protecting Ganon and before the malice can fully disappear, Zelda gets rid of him, so that means he could still appear in another game in the timeline as his normal form. Even though he gave up reincarnation he isn't dead, just only sealed away.
NintendoBlackCrisis Ikr? Until you brought this theory up, I simply thought of malice as nothing more than just bile that Ganon litters all over the place. One thing though, is malice simply a corrupting force or is it a sentient thing, since it is as you stated, evolving?
Very good question. Since Malice may be formed out of hatred, there may be different types of it. And since it seems to know to attack when someone gets close (ex Corrupted Naboris' lightning) and that the yellow eyes seem to respond when you get close (they actually open their eyes when Link approaches) it might be considered a sentient thing.
NintendoBlackCrisis Agreed and this is just a pitch to support its sentience. The divine beasts and guardians. If Ganon was simply a mindless beast, it could've attacked hyrule by itself, but instead it chose to go after the guardians and the divine beasts, corrupting them and even taking them for himself. Its as if it learned its lesson. There's a clear exhibition of intelligence there. Its strategy nearly worked cause before Zelda unlocked her sealing powers, Hyrule was overwhelmed and he nearly killed Link.
Kylo For Rent I also have a theory that Calamity Ganon was mindless when corrupting the divine beasts. When he went on a rampage when he returned, he might have unintentionally corrupted the guardians and divine beasts. It wouldn't be surprising, considering how much malice he spread onto hyrule
Not only that, but remember how you mentioned Naydra, a dragon, who was corrupt by the malice? Well, in "Skyward Sword", there's another dragon, called Levias, who is possessed by the Ocular Parasitic Bilocyte. Also, the purple color is similar to the malice in "Breath of the Wild"
Being there after seing BOTW sequel first trailer and god that man was on the right road about all of ganon's manifestation, even though he didn't had every elements at the time Can't wait to play the upcoming BOTW sequel !
Sorry gotta stop you at "Ganon is very likely mindless". I don't think this to be the case. Just because the malice infected bokoblin skulls are mindless does not mean that Ganon is mindless himself. I think that the malice is a concentrated form of Ganon's hatred (or Demise at that and his demonic power)... and that hatred is all that is left to him, and as such this is more or less all that is left of Ganon's body.... the only physical element to existence is this concentrated malice, and as such it's more or less pieces of what little of his body and being that remains at this point in time. I think Ganon at it's core knows this... and I think he is connected to every piece of malice in the games world. It's just how strong of a connection that is. Or how much direct control does he in fact have as he sits trapped within Hyrule Castle. I believe in his initial attack he sought out to take control and infect what he could. The Guardians at the end of the day take front and center. They were already empty husks. The second things he sought to take over were the divine beasts which were also empty husks save for their champion drivers. This is where he made a much more deliberate move with what I would call his generals. The Blights of Ganon. Larger, cognitive pieces of malice with the purpose of destroying and taking control of the divine beasts. Their goal (programmed into them by Ganon himself) simply to get rid of the weapons that had defeated him a thousand or so years earlier. You can't say it was coincidence that he went after them in the events just before BotW. As for Ganon in the castle that you fight at the end of the game. That Ganon, does have a mind (or as much of a mind as a constantly enraged and defeated and pummeled a villain could have). It isn't simply malice possessing sheikah tech. That said it is in fact an INCOMPLETE body for Ganon. Since it's mentioned that Ganon was in fact trying to reincarnate himself, to build himself a new body. This is until Zelda used her spiritual powers to in fact, SUCCESSFULLY seal Ganon within Hyrule castle. This is in fact what saved Hyrule 100 years earlier from total destruction. I would assume that by sealing him, it also halted or slowed his ability to reincarnate, and he may have even been forced to use what he could in the immediate area to build himself a new body. Hence pieces of the Guardians which are plentiful around the castle. Also while sealed, it's arguable that the Blights and those pockets of malice are now severed from Ganon's connection. Here is where the whole "mindless" thing may have some credence. In fact the Divine Beasts were simply inactive up until this point, and only began to move and rampage as the seal weakened (an event that is shown to be occurring as Link see's Ganons essence emerge in the distance from Hyrule Castle (although still trapped and contained). It's in that moment you could say that each domain started to have it's issues. So does this mean that as the seal weakened Ganon was starting to regain control and connection with those severed bits of his body, the malice in Guardians and the Divine Beasts. Personally I think this is more likely the case. How much is his influence and control and how much is them just becoming active and acting out mindlessly because he doesn't have complete control though is up for debate. In any case I think you've got the whole thing backwards. I think the Calamity Ganon is the closest thing to a coherent, dark lord as we will get in Breath of the Wild. It looks the most like Ganondorf because he was in the process of reshaping and building his body to what it used to be like as a human. That said, Link went and got to the throne room and he couldn't finish his reincarnation, that new body, and as such he is just an amalgamation of Sheikah tech and malice. It's a make shift temporary measure done because he doesn't have any more time left and has to defend himself from the hero who seeks to eradicate him yet again. After Link beats him down in that pit in his most human form (gave him credit he did his best given the circumstances) that is when as Zelda puts it "has given up on reincarnation" and at this point he is so enraged that he becomes simply "a being of pure malice". Now this here, is STILL Ganon... but if you want to talk about a mindless Ganon. This is it. Dark Beast Ganon is the mindless form... it doesn't care about being human again or having any shred of humanity... it's a beast, and it's out to destroy Hyrule, and it's here that Ganon doesn't really give a shit about the little fly buzzing around him in that field, he's just shooting wildly all around. To me this makes the most sense.
But the question now is What's going to happen to Ganon? Is he going to be in the next Zelda game? Or many you said it could learn and evolve so are we going to fight something that looks like Ganon on the surface but it's actually the Malice
Alice Johnson Yeah, and in my opinion unless malice returns in another game with as big of a role then I feel this would be the very last game in the timeline. Who knows, maybe we will have a game taking place after this one
Ganon will be in the next Zelda game. They don't follow a timeline when making the games, so he will be there. Also, I don't think he's completely gone from whichever timeline this is. He has been a mindless beast before (Oracle of Ages), and he was back for the next game in the timeline.
I'd like to see a cunning Ganondorf again though. It would actually even be kind of awesome to witness his slow raise in power alongside the heroes journey as he finds out about his past incarnations. I just want them to give Ganon an interesting personality again. There is nothing interesting or personal about fighting a mindless beast made out of pure hate.
I am late but... the next game loz game for switch is hyrule warriors? If i remember right. And there is no ganon i think. So it's dat means no malice in next game? Also it feels like the malice is... *THICC* lava which is just made little bit jellier. I know i am like telling something stupid shi* now i got my tloz botw christmas. First creepy thing was. I got the dlcs. Well i found majora's mask. And i wanted to look deeper this thing. And i found that its dark and cant put off? And has special power to fly, tp, hallucinate? Now i was confused. Why it doesnt have something special power like it cant be put off. But when i saw majoras mask ending i was like. Well thats explains it... and i think that the majora's mask had... malice in it? Because yeah u know why... now this was my stupid shi* theory and being late lel
In the 'Second Wind' mod for BotW, most of the "Stal-" enemies' skulls will reanimate after defeat, and when _they're_ killed, they drop Evil Cryatals! I still don't know what they're for yet, but it's still cool!!
Yeah it also has that big eye as a weak point!it also drains life like the substance in botw if you step on it!Wow this theory is very big in many ways
Opinions are simply that, and I'm not the most informed, but this is mine. If malice is, as it appears to be, the result of pure hatred, then it isn't some looming threat over Hyrule as you presented it to be at the end of the game. certain enemies when brought to a point of hatred enough to be cursed with malice, become the mindless undead foes link must face, but other than the corrupted water, the only time this has spread, and forgive me for I haven't played skyward sword either, was when calamity Gannon was overtaken by malice because of his hatred of link. to me, this implies that the only reason it spreads and infects things without hatred of their own is that of the immense power of the being it corrupted. with the level of hatred to fule the malice, it was able to spread and corrupt things without their own hatred. now that Gannon is gone again, once link finishes killing the monsters in the land, the remaining malice should subside, as seen in the end credit scenes where everything is clear again. without the hatred of Gannon to fule the malice, it dies away, like a disease without a host. while what is left over is dangerous, it only appears to propagate from hatred. without the hatred of Gannon, there is a finite source of Malice in the world, until someone/something else accumulates enough hatred to produce more malice.
Plot twist, Zelda grows up real bitchy and gains a pure hatred for Ganon coz history and jealous Link is dating a descendant of Ruto and she is the villian of the game, since malice can infect spirits as stated, why not a human form of Hylia who's power is passed on by blood, and how does the bloodline continue? Who does she bang to make the next princess? some games like of SS suggests Zelda and Link had a thing that could have continued, does that mean both could share the same blood since the moment Hylians came back to the ground, which is how Hylia promised a hero through the ages along with her reincarnation? I just thought half of this stoned while replying with the joke in the first line xD But you do bring up a good point, it started with a gerudo thief, what would happen if another race continued the reincarnation cycle through malice, it's glow is oddly similar to demise's hair just a purple like a curse too? especially in dark beast ganon form. You are in the ancient cistern in the time after you defeat demise in the past as well as it being one of the deepest points geographically to be in the game i think? (it felt like it to me)
The description of dark beast Ganon says "his awareness has been consumed entirely by malice, and all he knows is a desire to rampage and destroy" hope this helps
senor the king It can learn, or at least the Blight Ganons learn. After you start winning the fights against them, they all adopt some new tactic in the fight, implying the Malice has capacity to adapt (for survival, maybe?). The problem is that could also mean that Ganon is still in control.
The game is already dark at almost every turn. The hylian civil war, the gerudo-hylian war, Majora’s mask, Demise, Larule (hope I’m saying that right) the drowning of Hyrule in Wind Waker, Zant taking over (the way he looks for starters, that’s creepy), the sealed grounds, etc. the series maybe family friendly but damn this list alone makes me think otherwise. And now blight?
Dang, this theory is amazing. Your doing good work. I'm surprised that this channel isn't as big as it could be. It's well edited and the theory is put off well. (I write this as I subscribe).
Bonus thought: The portal above Hyrule Castle is a portal to the Dark World, like from Link to the Past, and the ACTUAL Ganon, unable to send himself, sent a manifestation of himself made entirely out of dark magic (or malice, whatever you want to think) to stir the pot a bit so, per the Breath of the Wild 2 trailer, he could get his Light World self Ganondorf to wake up and take over. Just a thought.
I love this theory! It'd be so cool to learn that Malice was the true enemy the whole time, never Ganon. Also it supports my hope that one day we'll get a good Ganondorf who'll fight alongside Link and Zelda. Poor guy is just misunderstood, the mass genocide and destruction of civilisation weren't his fault at all! He was corrupted by Malice!
while he may be powered, and corrupted by the malice when he's calamity Gannon, the malice spawns from his own internal hatred towards link and hyrule. this can only happen if he was already the vilain.
Remember in King Rhoams Cutscene? it says The Demon King Demons are evil and the meaning of demon is literatly an evil spirit or a devil and he is the kind of them!
Always thought it strange that though the master sword is the "blade that seals the darkness", even if you strike malice pools with it nothing happens like wtf
I had never played breath of the Wild but when you started talking about malice I immediately thought of the evil crystal in Skyward Sword and I had completely forgotten about the purple cursed water this is an amazing video man I like it! The source of the curse is Demise he created all of the cursing stuff and was the one who created the generational curse which created Ganondorf's evil power and this is the ultimate source of malice.
I believe that all of this is actually canon. If you watch the BOTW sequel teaser, you can see clear signs of Malice, especially with the skeleton (Possibly Demise?) reanimating with those slitted yellow-red eyes.
I don't think it's Demise, it's likely just Ganondorf. The only real reason why I don't think it's Demise himself is because of the jewelry and tattered clothing bearing the Gerudo symbol.
@@hyperswag506 100% isnt demise becuase at the very end of skyward sword FI entered an eternal sleep to trap demise in the master sword. If demise were to return then it would also lead to FI reawakening
The teaser for the second game even backs this theory up. Ganon is mindless, because Ganon is just the malice of Ganondorf, who is still being trapped by the glowie hand.
To add on to the mindless part of Malice, I just found it out on dark beast compendium. While horrifying in this state, his awareness is consumed by Malice. Now, all he knows to do is to kill and destroy. Key words there Awareness is consumed. Kill and destroy. Malice wants destruction, nothing compared to Ganon’s plan of ruling Hyrule
But the first phase of the Gannon fight, he was clever and knew tactics on how to fight. He wasn't just mindless there. Plus the same can be said for the 4 other bosses.
Except for the fact that the opposite seems to be true. Calamity Ganon could just be controlling the malice in order to curse the Bokoblin, moblin, and lizalfos skeletons to mindlessly attack people. Also it's stated in the game that Ganon is building a new body for himself from the sheikah tech and malice. The four blight ganons could just be an extension of calamity ganon himself since he would need to stop people from retaking control of the divine beasts, it's not much of a stretch for him to make four smaller versions of himself. He made a puppet and phantom Ganon in wind Waker and another phantom ganon in ocarina of time so that's not really too farfetched to say that's what he's doing here. In ocarina of time Ganondorf only destroyed castle town and just put the other regions in turmoil similar to what he does in breath of the wild with the divine beasts. The transformation into malice part could easily just be his way of causing destruction since at that point he didn't really have a body yet. Also dark beast Ganon going ape shit and destroying everything is basically what he does in twilight princess on a larger scale since he is in a blind rage cause you destroyed his new body. Malice being apart of ganon's magic powers would explain him being able to infect the dragon naydra by basically placing a curse on it. He pretty much does very similar things to this in other games. Destroying large glowing eyes on enemies is a very common thing in the legend of zelda games, hell they even added them to the bosses in the Majora's mask remake. Substances similar to malice have been manipulated by other villains in the series such as Ghirahim in skyward sword using it to make inanimate objects like Koloktos and scaldera attack you. Vaati uses another similar substance to form a body made from what looks like malice with a giant eye in the center during his fight with link. Demises hatred reincarnated is ganondorf as stated by Eiji aonuma so it would also make sense that ganon would be able to control magic that focuses hatred and malice to curse hyrule. The sacred realm turned dark because it reflects the heart of whoever wields the triforce, and since ganondorf was wielding the triforce it reflected the evil in him. The malice also never seems to be a problem outside of the events of each game so if it were evolving and spreading then it's doing a very terrible job. Also once again eyes in zelda games being used as a weak spot is a very common thing. Malice just seems to be a tool for whichever villain shows up in the games since they are seen using it rather than the other way around.
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People: Wow he predicted BoTW 2 before they even announced it!
Nintendo: Hahah yeah.. *Kicks notes under sofa*
Ganon created malice, didn’t get consumed by it
Golden Cheetah26 what if, he created it and he got so angered, the power overflowed and h got so out of his mind that he started to destroy everything out of hatred ?
Ariël Steevens breath of the wild 2
@@ShadowSearcher31 Or is it Demise? (see my earlier reply to this video)
That is wrong friend because malice was created by demise from the first villan in the timeline
Now it makes sense that Ganondorf is just undead and then comes back to life in Breath of the Wild 2!
He could be like the monks, where he's preserved, but still has full awareness of what's around him, while all his malice forms have been out of his control since he's been sealed by that hand for so long.
The story better be really good for the sequel. And I'm really excited cause I bet it will be.
ur all wrong hes ͼῠʁşɘĐ
Basically ganon is a lich in botw 2
Lol this thread aged finely
You got it right that Calamity Ganon wasn't the real Ganon, but it shows in the trailer that malice came from the dead body of Ganondorf
Or perhaps the reversed audio is a sign. Instead of coming from Ganondorf's corpse, perhaps it's actually pouring all of its power and malice into trying to take the Triforce of Power's abilities by reanimating his corpse.
YES my favorite game in the world is BOTW so I am so exited for the second one and you got that one correct
@@PepeTheJonkler OH MY GOSH YOU ARE SO SMART HOW DO YOU COME UP WITH THAT SMART PERSON
Ganon never died, He was kept alive by the "Green Hand Seal", he appears to be dead;his body rotted and withered away, but he was still alive. Similar to the Sheikah Monks.
Mediocrity Well, I think the problem is that 10,000 years ago, Malice was nowhere nearly as powerful or relevant, and it's possible nobody even knew what it was in detail. And remember that Skyward Sword took place thousands of years before the beginning of this 10,000 year period. We are talking about Malice having originated maybe 20,000 years ago, and it had at least 10,000 years to evolve in secret and in hiding. Nobody could have predicted said evolution.
You basically predicted botw 2 one and a half years before today
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Lol its so true
HOLY SHIT YOURE RIGHT hahahahahahHhahah im freaking out
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He used correct Grammer
"One and a half years before today"
One and a half year wouldn't make sense. Before you try to correct people make sure to correct yourself
Yooo considering the BOTW2 teaser Nintendo dropped today, this is extra interesting
This is the same thing I thought especially with everything we see. We saw Ganondorf's mummified body get reanimated with Malice's eyes. I can't wait to see if this is exactly what happens.
BOWT2 the spirits of the Champions are being Corrupted😂
Could that mummified body be the fountain of the malice or just a corrupted puppet
@@astrin1674 It's the fountain. It's Ganon, who is its source.
imagine if ganondorf isn’t the real final boss in botw 2 and the real one is some sort of King of Malace
There's another way Skyward Sword couls tie into Malice's creation:
Skyward Sword reveals that Ganon/Ganondorf is the reincarnation of the Demon God, Demise. After his defeat at the hands of Skyward Sword's Link, he curses Link and Zelda to an endless cycle of reincarnation, with his own reincarnation rising to act against them each time until he finally defeats them.
Malice could be a part of Demise's curse; his way of ensuring that all of Hyrule suffers even if his reincarnation can't directly act against it.
wow I haven't even played it
@Ben Fetchak No the official books actually state it is actually reincarnation.
BAM!
@Ben Fetchak dark beast Ganon is a hatred and malice incarnate. Ganondorf is the reincarnation of demise himself, malice is his hatred given a physical form
@@oreo1749 thats not true ganon is not a reincarnation of demise. That misconception is from the english translation that is not really correct. The curse of demise is the whole demon race his hatred "reincarnates" in the form of all demons not just Ganon. That's why Link and Zelda are reincarnated every time demons threaten hyrule not just ganon.
I never called it malice. I always called it "Gannon Goop".
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Plub 64 lel mate I called it eyeball :)
Plub 64 theres a comment that it's gannon's cum
Ganon
CONGRATULATIONS DUDE!!! YOU FREAKING NAILED THIS ONE!
Yup
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@@zim.is.emo.Awww thank you! It's Suika from Dr. Stone
@@Kri8aris i know. I love that show so much. Like it’s one of my favs
Told my friend that this video nailed it years ago when I watched it and he never believed me
The Final Boss of BOTW was only a "Phantom Ganon", a puppet of something *far* worse...
Yea good theory, but only a Demon King can control Gannon
You know a blight disease is scary when even _Ganon_ can be controlled by it.
a triforce*
“An incarnation of [Demise’s] hatred will follow [Link’s] kind for all eternity”
Of COURSE the stuff is alive and evolving.
Don't act like you thought of this before he did.
Also demise had dark and red powers
*botw sequel trailer has entered the chat*
*several people are typing*
@@NintendoBlackCrisis *malice intensifies*
*malice is typing*
@@NintendoBlackCrisis *Malice eyes typing intensifies*
@Renato Barros *evil egg enters the chat*
Another bit about the Evil Crystal: When you pick it up in-game, the description box not only again refers to it as a "chunk of crystallized monster malice" but also points out its extreme rarity. (It's second only to Goddess Plumes in terms of rarity.) In BotW, the stuff is everywhere.
It can multiply, and do so at an alarmingly fast rate. All it needs is a source of pure water to befoul and spread through.
...Instant apocalypse, just add water?
Make sure mario mever comes over with fludd
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Yeah but consider that there are at least several millennia of time between Skyward Sword and BotW-- a really long ass time
Wolfgang Drachenberg Well, that amount of time is less relevant for multiplication itself and more relevant in terms of its evolution and its ability to adapt to Shiekah technology such that it could outperform it and cause the destruction that it did during the Great Calamity. This ability to outperform Shiekah technology is also perfectly consistent with what we observe in the trailer for the sequel of Breath of the Wild.
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Maybe it's yeast?
The X virus from Metroid was yeast and had similar albiet less supernatural abilities.
This honestly makes me wonder if by the end when Ganondorf 'gives up reancarnation' he's really just dead. Malice reanimates the dead, controls spirits and causes mindlessness.
It makes me consider if in the end you aren't fighting Ganondorf, but Malice given a mobile and highly destructive vessel. Just a thought.
Wow. Good thought!
Yeah! Correct
I was thinking about this, and I agree completely. Maybe Ganondorf is really just dead, and his body was resurrected (by the Yiga clan) using Malice and parts of Sheikah tech.
Ganon doesn’t actually give up on reincarnation, in the Japanese version Zelda tells us that his transformation into Dark Beast Ganon was because of his unwillingness to give up on reincarnating or something to that effect
Ganon didn’t give up Ganondorf did but Demises curse left the malice to take over without Ganondorfs mind forming Ganon
"The aimless spirits of monsters slain in the name of the light return to flesh"
Link: *_"aww s*&#, here we go again."_*
(Or *_"it's free real estate"_* )
Wow, that was one of the best theories I have ever heard.
Zelda Mario Gamer excellent, glad you enjoyed!
Since you said it's a disese it reminds me of the Karah from Subnautica
Ditto
In the Japanese dialog, Zelda states that Ganon has NOT given up on resurrection, but implies that he allowed himself to take on a corrupted form to continue his rampage. Perhaps, while he was in his cocoon, he was attempting to merge with the malice and gain its power, but after emerging prematurely (according to his entry in the compendium) became completely taken over by the malice, which then absorbed the power of the triforce (which was in Zelda) and became the Dark Beast.
NFITC1 Interesting!
NintendoBlackCrisis
The Power that Zelda wields is the Light Force. The Full Triforce Mark you see in the Flashbacks signifies that she can use her powers and it isn't the Whole thing but the Light Force. The Triforce cannot be absorbed in which way necessary. Only the Light Force can be syphoned to gain power. Vaati and Calamity Ganon drained some of it though.
Wait so there was a translation error? Hopefully it won't effect future Zelda games
XxxJim_ the_ ReaperxxX Zelda's power can be consumed as we can see in Ocarina of Time, where Ganondorf wanted the full power of the Triforce
El//vel the can absorb triforce only if it’s break and it’s will only be take be take by the chosen
This will explain the sequel
Well Mario’s coming over to botw with his fludd pack.
Such an underrated comment
Blaine games can’t wait for that dlc XD
HA!!! I HAVE TO GO PLAY THAT NOW.
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The epic crossover nobody saw coming
Malice was also present in The Wind Waker and Spirit Tracks. In the Wind Waker it was a gas and you wouldn't be able to use any of your weapons much like in Skyward Sword.
In Spirit Tracks, it was also a gas. When you would go into it, you would lose your hearts.
Also in Phantom Hourglass, when the Hourglass has ran out of Golden Sand, you would also lose hearts and the player would get a purple glow, gassy glow around them.
Maybe a way to fight Malice is with the Golden Sand from the Phantom Hourglass itself. Or at least protect the owner of the Hourglass against the malice.
Dominique Straathof yeah, from what I've seen everything that jinxes link could be some sort of malice. It's very interesting when you thibk about it
Nah Mario will just clean it up with F.L.U.U.D
YEs!
In Twilight Princess there's also the purple, poisonous fog in Faron when Link first enters the twilight and the 'water' in Diababa's bossroom is also the same shade of purple, but idk if those can be counted as malice or not. Diababa does have a very malice-looking eye in its mouth, though.
salla l and the original definition of blight does relate to plants, so...
Damn it’s actually pretty funny how this theory became a reality
Right?
i wish lol
Another small detail to point out. This isn't too important, but it came to mind as I was watching the video. I see people all over the internet that are part of the BotW community complain about how easy the final boss fight; Beast Ganon was. Quite evidently, Lynels and Monk Maz Koshia are more difficult than most of the Blights, as well as Calamity and Beast Ganon. The whole 'mindless' idea perfectly explains why that's the case. I'm positive that if the final bosses weren't controlled by the Malice, and had a mind of their own, they would be much more difficult to beat. Note how Lynel attacks are much more coordinated and difficult to avoid than those of Beast Ganon. And Maz Koshia and Lynels definitely don't seem to be controlled by Malice. I just thought I would point that out to resolve all of those complaints. I love your channel by the way, keep up the great work!
Edit: I came back to this almost a year later. Many of the replies pointed out Thunderblight Ganon, and that he was certainly not easy. I'd say that now, my theory mostly applies to Dark Beast Ganon, so it's still worth mentioning. If I come up with anything else, I'll let everyone know.
Lynels and Monk Maz Koshia are not more difficult it is just a matter of figuring out how to kill them being different. Once you know how to kill the Lynels they are rather easy. But even knowing how to kill the Ganons they are still no pushoever.
LainK1978 that is pretty true, but their attacks still seem more coordinated.
Yeah, how lynels know to shoot their arrow higher than link so they know it I'll hit him
TriforceGirl05, agree.
Lynels: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Blight: Aight, this is why I have elemental arrows, aaaaaand the boss is stupid
So what? Okay maybe there is a theory to explain it. Maybe Nintedo will come out and prove this theory true. Itdoesnt matter though. The Boss is still really easy and anti-climactic. Just becaude it is explained in the story doesnt mean it is a good idea for a game. I would rather the Gameplay be good with nothing explaining what I am looking at than a really shitty fight that looks cool and is explained through logic. I want to clarify I dont have a burning hatred for the last Boss. I dont like it much but this os the first time I have complained about it on the internet.
Correct me if i am wrong but i didnt see anyone mentioning Koloktos, the boss in skyward sword, which surprised me. I mean, an ancient robot reanimated by black-purple substance? Seems familiar.
TheDrakevm I had mentioned that in a comment made by someone. I also was planning to put it in the video, but due to video length I decided to keep it out.
ah ok, sorry, my mistake. But really, only now because of this video, i realized how similar the blight ganons and koloktus really are. So thanks for that.
TheDrakevm 👍👍👍
Kolotos was actually enhanced with Ghirahim's magic, not directly by Demise himself. I'm pretty sure a sword spirit/demon doesn't count as malice.
I don't see why Ghirahim couldn't use malice. He don't have to BE a malice.
You're something like a prophet with this one.
Also, we have to remember that Demise is the origin of the Bokoblins and evil. In some way, he's the creator of the Malice that we know and love. So what if, his incarnation as he said, is not Ganondorf, from a certain point of view, but the Malice. Demise's hatred towards the Hero and the Descendant of the Goddess survived throught this dark energy called Malice, it would make sense.
Prince Marth This makes me want to go and play Skyward Sword. It sounds very interrsting!
You should, is a good game with flaws, but still a good game.
NintendoBlackCrisis You definitely should... I was going to make a similar comment, stating my doubt about the pools in the Ancient Cistern being the origin of Malice. It is likely to be the same situation as in BOTW, where they are infected by the Malice. Now, as to whether Demise is the origin of Malice is debatable. On one hand, it makes sense. I know you haven't played Skyward Sword, so I don't know if you want it to be spoiled. If not, stop reading now! Haha, otherwise, with his last words, Demise states that his hate never perishes, but is born anew in a cycle with no end... He curses all the descendants of those with the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero to be eternally bound to being haunted by endless reincarnations of his hate.
On the other hand, I think of Malice as basically the Dark Side. We wouldn't say that Goddess Hylia created Love and Joy, right? She's basically the Light Side balance to Demise. Since they balance each other out, it always comes down to (re)incarnations duking it out on their respective deity's behalf for eternity. Thus, I agree with one of the above comments that there must have been something lost in translation at the end of BOTW. These particular incarnations of Malice (all the blights, Calamity Ganon, and Dark Beast Ganon) may be gone, but the Dark Side will never vanish.
As for its sentience, I think the Force is again a good analogy. Malice is only as sentient insofar as it is consumes and corrupts, just as the Dark Side does. It's obviously not a perfect fit, but I think this struggle between light and dark is a recurring motif throughout the franchise (e.g. The Light/Dark Worlds in A Link to the Past, or the Dark Link version of yourself that you fight) that isn't just about good vs. evil in the abstract, but a more tangible fight with a material force/energy.
Hovanes Gasparian Very true! Good arguments for both sides. Skyward Sword sounds like a very interesting game story-wise. Whenever I get the chance I'll make sure to play it :)
I'd argue that malice is inherited as an ability.
ALttP makes the first reference to malice, as the manual states that despite Ganon being in the sacred realm, a noxious substance had started seeping into Hyrule. Twilight Princess is the first formal introduction of malice, with Ganondorf using it as an actual source of power. In the Decline Timeline, we see Ganondorf giving up his own mortality using the full Triforce, forever becoming Ganon: the Demon King. This is why Pig Ganon is the only incarnation that can't be killed. He can be destroyed, like a bokoblin, but he always resurrects at some point. This seems to hint at Ganon being the full on replacement or incarnation equivalent to Demise, since he takes over as Demon King and has fully shed mortality.
So let me get this straight. Malice is a disease to Hyrule, and matching that with the title "Breath of the Wild", its sort of implying that Hyrule is metaphorically "alive"? Interesting
Lugs I think Zelda usually purifies this stuff and Malice was able to take over because this time Zelda couldn't do her part
Actually, on one of those tips on the loading screen, it says that the malice is just water corrupted by Ganon. Yeaaaaaaaah, ehehe.
NVM, I listened on the rest of the video
Robin Hoot if you notice in the cutscene before the one where you get all the memories Zelda and Link walk away from hyrule castle and you can see that the malice that was once in castle town is gone. So you are thinking correctly
Lugs hey hyrule is part of the planet and thus is alive
I was thinking about this as well, it was bothering me that it was simple to fight and defeat Calamity Ganon, the Blights, etc, I had a feeling they had more in store with Malice and I'm glad we are both right and the BOTW2 had finally touched on where Malice is coming from, and how it is only just different aspects of Ganon's power being corrupted. Good job!
There's another piece of evidence that supports your theory that you didn't to mention (but it's understandable, since you haven't played skyward sword). The boss of the ancient cistern is some kind of guardian made of metal parts connected by a black and purple goey substance, which resembles the malice quite a lot.
Beating that boss seemed like an eternity of suffering to me
the rock boss and giant scorpions from skyward sword also have eyes as their weak points that resemble the ones from breath of the wild
And Ghomas eye...
My theory in this game was that the temple bosses in the game, fire blight, water blight, wind blight. were not entities in their own but rather the former champions themselves, what you stated a blight to be a disease, a disease is not usually a stand alone organism, it parasites off of something or someone, one piece of evidence I thought about was when Link became apart of the tech that allowed his teleportation from shrine to shrine. The way he re enters the world if you look at the blights when you start the fight It is very similar, another bit I thought about was the weapons each blight used; water blight used a spear, like the Zora princess, wind blight had a fair mastery of ranged weapons and cyclones(similar to revali's gale), the lightning blight had a shield and sword like the treasured weapons you get from the geruda that belonged to their chief , my theory: in defeating the blights Link is either killing the bodies of or killing the champions from 100 years ago and in doing so freeing their spirits
I dont know... for one part you can be right but the rest of it is that the champions also had to battle these fuckers. They knew the traits of the blights like
Urbosa: this thing is fast
Revali: its aim is dead on
So i dont think its entirely true but it coukd be that the blights were once just tiny ganons but absorbed the chanpions when they were defeated. That could be a possible theory,
Remember revali was good with a bow so maybe the blights were weak weaponless except wind blight so they earned the champion weapons and the champions were consumed and wind blights aim got better and the torpedos were the cause of revali firing 3 arrows at once
this theory sounds really good, maybe that's one of the reasons why the champions knew their weaknesses despite dying; because it was THEIR weaknesses and they were trying to warn you about their fighting skills
It could also reflect why Link has a different teleport animation when leaving the Divine Beasts, is not the regular animation because is Zelda cleansing the malice from Link (if it really was some sort of disease)
i think exactly the same
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LoZ: Minish Cap & Four Swords.
Vaati.
As the final boss in Minish Cap, he transforms into a sorty black cloud with one single gold/red eye and is protected by eight blue orbs ('Vaati Transfigured'). Again, arrow in the eye seals his death.
But there is more.
He transforms again, now he is a giant eyeball with two 'arms' which are made out of black orbs ending in golden pincer-like claws and has four smaller eyes protecting him from any attack, this form is called 'Vaatis Wrath'.
(also, inside of him are also little eyes which look somewhat like bactaria?)
He also appears in Four Swords in a form like 'Vaatis Wrath' and can **posess objects** in the first form of the final fight.
Oh boy, is there a connection?
Vaati was full of hatred, of seeking power, he could be 'infected' with Malice which made him take the Magic Cap and do the wish.
He has to be infected before it got full control of him, just like the spirit in Breath of the Wild or the Malice was was not fully grown to infect humans just like a bokoblin, most likly because humans are smarter or just evolutionary further?
Yuubi Timberwolf Yeah, I've heard some others bring up Vaati. Could be so!
Yuubi Timberwolf once botw came out and I knew about malice, I looked back at my 4 swords anniversary edition, defeated vaati's wrath for the 5th time, and noticed such similarity, your not the only one who noticed that
Majoras Mask has also similarities to the malice (also the eyes and the transformations)
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So, Malice=Dark Matter from Kirby. Understood. Don't believe me? Compare their eyes. Also the possession of souls.
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Melody Whispersong wtf? What does he have to do with anything
@@mis_l5858 Matpat made a theory about Kirby being an amoeba. I have no idea why Melody Whispersong is angry that Matpat made a theory about Kirby, although I would love that he would make a new theory covering Kirby lore.
lmfao, they're 2 entirely different games.
@@LaZeeStuff and? Its not like Nintendo hasn't hinted at them all being linked before or anything.
In a way, you did predict Ganondorf's return. Calamity Ganon was born out of all that muck that was leaking from Ganondorf in TotK, that Rauru's hand and magic could not purify. That escaping stuff would build up and create Calamity Ganon at least twice over.
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This is one of my 2 FAVOURITE zelda theories. Additionally, most games have enemies explode into purple smoke when you defeat them - a gaseous form of malice, perhaps?
This means that the reason why monsters in zelda fight you and are evil, probably isn’t because they genuinely support Ganon’s cause, but because they’re infected by malice. However, it’s not that much because in botw they dance around campfires and the like and are really quite endearing so they’re not entirely mindless.
ALSO in Skyward Sword, Demise says “my hate never perishes”. Most believe this refers to the reincarnations of the bearer of the triforce of power. However, doesn’t that seem odd to you? Din is a goddess like Nayru and Farore, so why would she allow her piece of the triforce to be continually used for evil? Maybe Demise was actually referring to malice. Maybe he meant that malice never goes extinct, but continues to infect.
The reason why it always infects the wielder of the triforce of power is because it’s a good survival strategy - corrupt someone who already has so much hatred and power because they will be able to help the malice spread.
Another thing! The purple smoke when enemies dies must be malice because it only appears when an enemy dies. If a (not infected by malice) horse dies in botw, the corpse simply disappears - no smoke!
Additionally, while I haven’t played them, I think in an older game there’s a moblin (or another monster) which isn’t evil. This means there can be monsters that aren’t corrupted by malice, which results in them not being evil.
Well, when you kill other animals, like deer or birds, smoke does appear but it's not purple. But your point still stands
ALSO: Members of the Yiga Clan don't burst into purple and black (I think. It's been a while since I killed one.) which stands that they aren't mindless enemies like the others are. They really are just jerks
I Support you Bokoblins eye and Moblins And Lizalfos has a red or pink or purple shaded eye and sometimes black and malice is kinda red pink and purple with alot of black its kinda vice versa
You know, now that TotK is out, this actually becomes a lot more sinister. As we know, Ganondorf was imprisoned beneath hyrule castle. Therefore the calamities and malice are not ganon at all. They are just physical manifestations of his hatred and rage from being imprisoned for all those years. You should definitely make an updated malice theory in the future, and one about gloom possibly.
It's interesting to think about the origin of evil itsel in Hyrule. Skyward Sword is the earliest game in the story and all we know is that the godesses created the land and gave the triforce to Hylia so it would be "guarded". Then we learn that one day, demonic forces came from a fissure in the land. It's not clear if evil was created by the godesses to be present in Hyrule or if evil invaded the land afterwards. Considering that the sacred powers directly oppose the malice/evil ones, it may be that the gods know of forces opposing then and they cannot stop them from infecting their creation. Demise himself states that he hates the gods. Maybe malice is this evil in a more pure form while Demise was just one great user of this power and created ganon as a side effect of his curse (ganon as an embodiment of the curse, not just the gerudo incarnation) and so it would be quite possible for Malice to take control of Ganon or for some other user of Malice to do it. This hatred of the gods though... It's interesting to think there's more to it. The Twili also betrayed the gods and used shadow magic, but Midna said their magic was different from Ganon's. Probably the shadows were created by the godesses opposed to malice. Thus the fused shadow could not win against the Light Spirits but a Ganon powered Zant could. Thinking of Sacred powers, Zelda's only awakened when she expressed self-sacrifice (or love) for Link. Maybe the conflict between Malice and the Sacred is a conflict between love for others and selfshness/disdain for others in it's core (?). The Malice reviving the dead trough hatred may be a way to oppose the order created by Nayru. Anyway, I love your theories ❤️
José Dantas Excellent points. I'm glad you gave your opinion on this and thankyou for supporting these videos
And what if the Malice is DIVINE in nature? Maybe it's a being like the gods but focused on leading existence to chaos and nothingness. It doesn't create anything (as it would be against it's purpose of destroying), just corrupts the creations of the gods. Maybe hatred is the way malice manifests in the mind because it's a feeling that destroys things while love preserves things and ultimately creates more of it. So... anything the gods create is vulnerable to Malice because it's a kind of god itself. THIS FINALY would explain why the goddesses designed the Triforce in the way it is... Only non-divine beings can use it, as stated by Hylia in Skyward Sword, and the beings that can use it must master wisdon, courage and power.. and since the beings infected by malice lose hemselves to a destructive existence, it's unlikely they would wield it. So the godesses designed the Triforce so it would be a powerful weapon AGAINST MALICE, granting the wishes of those aligned with the gods only and preserving the creations... Wow, that's a lot to think about
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José Dantas pretty sure minish cap was before that
José Dantas that makes a lot of sense if you actually look in to it
So... Malice is just hatred and evil that can poses things that are dead... Damn Nintendo that's fucking dark as shit!!
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NintendoBlackCrisis I knew the Zelda franchise was dark but not THIS dark.
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welcome to botw its twilight princess combined with majoras mask zelda 1 and wind waker
This theory looks somewhat correct now with the new BOTW 2 trailer!
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Just look at dark beast Gannon's entry in the hyrule compendium"After Gannon was defeated by link the remains malice pulled itself together to form the bestial creature its appearance and fiendish magic earned it the name dark beast" that line alone proves this
This is a beautiful theory. You deserve a lot more recognition in the Zelda theory community. I really enjoy how many directions this theory can go and how many ideas it brings to the table. Also shame on you for not playing skyward sword lol
Augustine Vega Glad you loved it! I promise I'll play it eventually xpxpxp
From what I know the “given up on reincarnation” thing is a mistranslation, the original is more along the lines of “given up on this specific incarnation and assumed a pure enraged form, and also refuses to give up on reincarnation itself”. Which still ties in I think, a desire for survival distorted into madness
Honestly I could see this channel grow a lot. Keep it up dood
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You make a good point maybe Ganon finally stopped caring and gave in to his hate and anger
The Malice does give me a strong SCP vibe sometimes... :)
I mean, even _monsters_ should (or would) fear it if they knew what it does to their corpses after death...
Here's my take on the theory:
Malice has existed since Skyward Sword, but is is not Ganon's creation. Note that the king says in Breath of the Wild that Ganon "transformed" into malice. It's possible that Ganon originally tried to assume a form similar to the ones he has been in before, the boar/beast/Ganon thing. However, during his transformation into Ganon, he tried to possess the Malice and use it to control the Sheikah technology, but in the process, corrupted himself and became the Calamity. And about malice being able to learn? It may have created the Blights because of knowledge and power absorbed from Ganon. The best way to think about this is to compare it to the X parasites in Metroid Fusion. The malice could have absorbed Ganon's power and intelligence to cause the Calamity the same way the X took over Samus' Power Suit to become the SA-X, as well as corrupting and absorbing several other bosses, including Ridley. But malice is also a substance, and the whole "corruption" part making it learn makes it more similar to Phazon from the Metroid Prime trilogy. After all, Phazon was able to learn from organisms it corrupted, which, coincidentally, also included Samus. I believe that Malice has been there from the start, acting on its own, waiting to try to corrupt Link, Ganon, or even both (though in the end, it only succeeded in corrupting Ganon).
Also, I won't object to criticism of my theory. I can use it to make revisions.
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Coming here after E3, I just wanted to point out the creature in the Botw sequel trailer. It’s eyes are exactly like the ones Malice grows. You think maybe we’ll be directly fighting against Malice in the next game?
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It HAS to be near the end or IS the end of the timeline if Ganon has given up on reincarnation. Reincarnation is why the Zelda/Link/Ganon struggle was continuing at all. So if Ganon won't reincarnate anymore, then he'll be defeated and that'll be the last of him forever.
This game is last in one of the time lines. I forgot which one though
As it has been mentioned many times before, Ganon giving up was due to a mistranslation. I'm sure you'll be able to find more details with Google.
as mentioned before, it's a miss translation, but at the same time, that was being reincarnated as a person (Ganondorf) so when he did not reincarnate, he assumed his pure enraged form, the evil that is reborn time and time again
I may be wrong but didn’t Zelda seal Ganon away?
Umatsu Obossa One thing that hasn't been discussed much is the Curse Of Demise, where he unleashes a final curse on Hyrule, dooming for the dark beast, the princess with the blood of the goddess, and the chosen hero to fight and reincarnate for eternity. Ganon giving up on reincarnation basically means that the Curse Of Demise has ended.
I love how a lot of people are saying that this theory destroyed their point of view of the game, but for me, it was enhanced! I know Nintendo™ isn't planning to create another Zelda game anytime soon, but can you just imagine? A game where Gannon isn't the final boss, but rather Malice, that has evolved enough to talk, eat, and maybe have a "humanoid form"! It would be the next darkest game of the franchise after Majora's Mask.
Mauro Fantin Yeah, who knows what games we get in the future. They might not make malice be the "main antagonist" or make another game based off of it, but it's still interesting to consider the possibility!
umm, a game is supposed to come out this, the next and the year after that
TBH, I wouldn't like some kind of incarnation of Malice as a BBEG. There's not really any possibility for depth or complexity when you make a character the embodiment of hatred/evil/whatever. Sure, it can be sp00ky, but it doesn't lend itself well to character development.
Look at Ganondorf in Wind Waker. He very clearly had some amount of depth and ruminated on why he grew to covet power and the triforce. Sure, it's minimal, but it's there and enhanced the game greatly. Even Majora's Mask, probably the scariest villain in the franchise, basically just had some twisted up views on companionship leading his terrible actions, and wasn't a bland incarnation of whatever emotion.
That's why I didn't like Ganon in BotW. He has no character anymore and is just a big evil magic boar who smashes stuff and shoots lasers. I would much prefer a more humanized villain who uses the malice to his own gain, and isn't necessarily linked to it.
Mauro Fantin well, I think it would be interesting. As Melody Anonymous said, it wouldn't be interesting or in depth of if it's all evil and hatred. But what if the Malice did have a humanoid form. I believe it would be interesting, creepy, and actually had the idea of instead of destroying it. But trying to get enough people to kill the gods of Hyrule and the rest of the world make it it's own realm. I think that would show how it evolved, and that would show something that not even Gannon has gone to great lengths to do. But Demise has tried but wanted the Triforce to do it. I'm talking about challenging the gods directly. Idk, just an idea and would show a huge and probably the most powerful villain in the game series
In Phantom Hourglass, the final boss is Bellum, which is almost the same as the malice.
Safe: Hey, nice to meet you! I’m Safe!
Malice: No, you’re not.
That was stupid sorry
Don’t be sorry, that was a great joke (I’m not even kidding)
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At the start of the game, Link is dead, gone, only brought back by the Shrine of Resurrection that YOU activate. Basically, Link is the “mindless” (unconscious) figure that YOU operate. And the only time he ever kills is by your hand, if your malice wills him to do so.
Mind = blown.
Except this is false, because Link was not dead. Just to be clear, the game clarifies that Link was sent to the shrine of resurrection because Zelda sensed that the Master Sword still responded to Link's pain and still glowed, which confirms that Link was still indeed alive, even if he was due to die soon. The "resurrection" in the name of the Shrine of Resurrection is more akin to clinical resurrection and less akin to actual, metaphysical resurrection.
Cyclone Rowan You don't even need to reference the Japanese version. The developer notes in the Creating a Champion book state, in the English version of the book, that while Link was almost entirely silent prior to the Calamity, his memory loss and the lifting of his burden from said loss has caused him to be much more talkative, social, and even flirty.
Lushen anytime Link kills something is mainly any evil monsters
You never mentioned the blood moon. When a blood moon rises, malice is seen everywhere, floating around. It also reanimates every enemy, but stronger than before. How long before it is able to reanimate Hylians, Gerudo, Gorons, etc and turn them into mindless creatures of destruction?
Hopefully I will be able to cover the blood moon in a future video!
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Yikes if malice takes over the Hylians/Gerudo/Gorons ect... It’d become a post apocalyptic Zelda game lol
Mad Octoster that would be super disturbing, like the concept guardians.
thatd be creepy
congrats on predicting the next game man lmao
ya lol
This is a theory I have had ever since my first playthrough of BoTW. I'm glad there is a video that explains Malice in depth! :D
This just tickles my brain every time I see stuff on Malice, it's just interesting like the closer to the castle the more malice there was. It gave me the idea Malice was feeding on the land spreading further infecting and corrupting.
So things being corrupted by Malice change, its reach seemingly endless on what it infects spirits living beings, and objects as did in the video.
*When your traditional save-the-princess adventure turns into a cosmic horror novel...
I'd like to point out that zelda's line "He has given up on reincarnation and assumed his pure, enraged form." Is a mistranslation
Interesting....do you know what the real translation is? Just curious
legendsoflocalization (DOT) com/breath-of-the-wilds-ganon-in-english-japanese/ This is the first piece i read on it but multiple people are giving out different info and something i have also seen is that he has given up on regeneration... I personally don't speak or read japanese so i am reliant on what other people are saying, so i am wary of most other people. Something that was also pointed out to me is that zelda at the end says that "Ganon is gone for now." contradicting that he has giving up on reincarnating. It's weird and confusing but am i personally theorizing with a possible misstranslation in the back of my mind.
What it says in the original Japanese (and the non-English translations, for that matter) is that Ganon's final form is the result of his multiple reincarnations. The "giving up" part is NOWHERE to be seen.
Also, I'm afraid the term "Malice" was also something that NOA pulled out of their asses. In the original the "Malice" is just a generic dark energy, without any other special meaning.
And these are far from the only issues. Seriously, translation liberties are not inherently a bad thing, but the English team at NOA got WAAAAAAAAAAAAY over the line with "Breath of the Wild". The non-English localizations where more faithful in general. NOE tends to be more disciplined than NOA when it comes to this kind of stuff.
XanderVJ You maybe got some sources? If translated by yourself could you maybe quote what it says exactly? I might need to replay the entire game in another language (if there is one i know...) to see the differences
Sorry to jump into this conversation, but I found several articles that all led back to this one: legendsoflocalization.com/breath-of-the-wilds-ganon-in-english-japanese/
Basically the Japanese translation is something like "the Dark Beast form is a result of Ganon *refusing to give up on being reincarnated*", or at least the meaning is to that effect.
People are drawing the conclusion that NoA took too many liberties with translation, but... eh.
Edit: The article also shows the "secret" ending, and the two situations are reversed there. In English Zelda says "Ganon is gone _for now_ ", but the Japanese version doesn't have any phrase like that.
They might be related to blood moons in some way, I mean, the floating stuff that comes from malice and is inside dungeons is the same as what comes up during a blood moon
That's because as Zelda states the blood moon is when Ganon's power is at its greatest. And I believe that the Malice is the pure essence of evil, evil which was brought apon the world by Demise, who reincarnated into Ganon. I don't think Ganon was taken over by the malice, Ganon IS the malice. He gave up his ability to reincarnate and shed his form to become pure hatred, and hatred is hard to control so he lost control of himself. The point that we can't say that Calamity Ganon is actually Ganon because the blights are also called Ganon in the video doesn't make sense to me, as the blights are fragments of Ganon.
They aren't really "fragments" of Ganon, it's literally stated that they were creations of Ganon. Though they could be similar to Horcruxes.
Not reincarnate regeneration. Language error
I noticed something. So you know how urbosa carries a sword and shield right? And what does thunderblight ganon carry? A sword and shield. What does mipha carry? A trident. What does waterblight ganon carry? A trident. What does daruk carry? A cobble crusher. What does fireblight ganon carry? A massive fire axe! What does revali use? A bow. What does windbight ganon use? A arm cannon. See? Its like the ganons are corrupted versions of the champions.
mipha has a trident.
but i understand what your getting at!
mipha has a trident.
but i understand what your getting at!
I noticed quickly
Great Eagle Bow vs ancient gun
Scimitar of the Seven + Daybreaker vs ancient short sword and shield
Boulder breaker vs ancient claymore
Lightscale trident vs ancient spear
Wait, so would that mean that Koloktos from Skyward Sword was reanimated and/or taken over by malice just like Ganon? Before the boss fight, Ghirahim, says that he was there trying to find clues in order to reincarnate his master, Demise. Right after that he brings Koloktos to life, with some sort of malice-like substance.
I just noticed this now, but when we purify the spirit we had to destroy the eyes. WE DESTROYED THE EYES IN DARK BEAST GANON, does that mean we purified Ganon from the malice? - just a quickie to think about
I hope Nintendo make where Ganon return in regular form after he was defeated from BOTW and meets our Link in new DLC or future game
I think that Ganon want to be corrupt by the Malice. He produces Malice so he can't be purify
I think he isn't made of malice but the malice is a kind of armor protecting Ganon and before the malice can fully disappear, Zelda gets rid of him, so that means he could still appear in another game in the timeline as his normal form. Even though he gave up reincarnation he isn't dead, just only sealed away.
He gave up on regeneration. Language mistake.
I belve the malice possed gannon but orengonly he tred to use it cause last time he faced an army of guardions besides what he awleady faces
The botw2 trailer had Ganondorf's mortal form with malice pouring out of it/being drawn towards it, so this makes sense.
6:54 that's a mistranslation that changed the stoy. in the original japanese, it goes something like this "...he refused to stop reincarnating..."
Great theorizing as always NBC. Im surprised that so far noone has discussed much about the malice.
Thanks! There are so many interesting things in BotW that no one covers
NintendoBlackCrisis Ikr? Until you brought this theory up, I simply thought of malice as nothing more than just bile that Ganon litters all over the place. One thing though, is malice simply a corrupting force or is it a sentient thing, since it is as you stated, evolving?
Very good question. Since Malice may be formed out of hatred, there may be different types of it. And since it seems to know to attack when someone gets close (ex Corrupted Naboris' lightning) and that the yellow eyes seem to respond when you get close (they actually open their eyes when Link approaches) it might be considered a sentient thing.
NintendoBlackCrisis Agreed and this is just a pitch to support its sentience. The divine beasts and guardians. If Ganon was simply a mindless beast, it could've attacked hyrule by itself, but instead it chose to go after the guardians and the divine beasts, corrupting them and even taking them for himself. Its as if it learned its lesson. There's a clear exhibition of intelligence there. Its strategy nearly worked cause before Zelda unlocked her sealing powers, Hyrule was overwhelmed and he nearly killed Link.
Kylo For Rent I also have a theory that Calamity Ganon was mindless when corrupting the divine beasts. When he went on a rampage when he returned, he might have unintentionally corrupted the guardians and divine beasts. It wouldn't be surprising, considering how much malice he spread onto hyrule
oh my god its crazy to see how accurate this is after totk
Not only that, but remember how you mentioned Naydra, a dragon, who was corrupt by the malice? Well, in "Skyward Sword", there's another dragon, called Levias, who is possessed by the Ocular Parasitic Bilocyte. Also, the purple color is similar to the malice in "Breath of the Wild"
Interesting.......
Being there after seing BOTW sequel first trailer and god that man was on the right road about all of ganon's manifestation, even though he didn't had every elements at the time
Can't wait to play the upcoming BOTW sequel !
Well, guess what... It's like 95% accurate with the sequel assumptions hahahaha again, thanks for your content, sir.
Sorry gotta stop you at "Ganon is very likely mindless".
I don't think this to be the case. Just because the malice infected bokoblin skulls are mindless does not mean that Ganon is mindless himself. I think that the malice is a concentrated form of Ganon's hatred (or Demise at that and his demonic power)... and that hatred is all that is left to him, and as such this is more or less all that is left of Ganon's body.... the only physical element to existence is this concentrated malice, and as such it's more or less pieces of what little of his body and being that remains at this point in time.
I think Ganon at it's core knows this... and I think he is connected to every piece of malice in the games world. It's just how strong of a connection that is. Or how much direct control does he in fact have as he sits trapped within Hyrule Castle.
I believe in his initial attack he sought out to take control and infect what he could. The Guardians at the end of the day take front and center. They were already empty husks. The second things he sought to take over were the divine beasts which were also empty husks save for their champion drivers. This is where he made a much more deliberate move with what I would call his generals. The Blights of Ganon. Larger, cognitive pieces of malice with the purpose of destroying and taking control of the divine beasts. Their goal (programmed into them by Ganon himself) simply to get rid of the weapons that had defeated him a thousand or so years earlier. You can't say it was coincidence that he went after them in the events just before BotW.
As for Ganon in the castle that you fight at the end of the game. That Ganon, does have a mind (or as much of a mind as a constantly enraged and defeated and pummeled a villain could have). It isn't simply malice possessing sheikah tech. That said it is in fact an INCOMPLETE body for Ganon. Since it's mentioned that Ganon was in fact trying to reincarnate himself, to build himself a new body. This is until Zelda used her spiritual powers to in fact, SUCCESSFULLY seal Ganon within Hyrule castle. This is in fact what saved Hyrule 100 years earlier from total destruction.
I would assume that by sealing him, it also halted or slowed his ability to reincarnate, and he may have even been forced to use what he could in the immediate area to build himself a new body. Hence pieces of the Guardians which are plentiful around the castle. Also while sealed, it's arguable that the Blights and those pockets of malice are now severed from Ganon's connection. Here is where the whole "mindless" thing may have some credence. In fact the Divine Beasts were simply inactive up until this point, and only began to move and rampage as the seal weakened (an event that is shown to be occurring as Link see's Ganons essence emerge in the distance from Hyrule Castle (although still trapped and contained). It's in that moment you could say that each domain started to have it's issues.
So does this mean that as the seal weakened Ganon was starting to regain control and connection with those severed bits of his body, the malice in Guardians and the Divine Beasts. Personally I think this is more likely the case. How much is his influence and control and how much is them just becoming active and acting out mindlessly because he doesn't have complete control though is up for debate.
In any case I think you've got the whole thing backwards. I think the Calamity Ganon is the closest thing to a coherent, dark lord as we will get in Breath of the Wild. It looks the most like Ganondorf because he was in the process of reshaping and building his body to what it used to be like as a human. That said, Link went and got to the throne room and he couldn't finish his reincarnation, that new body, and as such he is just an amalgamation of Sheikah tech and malice. It's a make shift temporary measure done because he doesn't have any more time left and has to defend himself from the hero who seeks to eradicate him yet again.
After Link beats him down in that pit in his most human form (gave him credit he did his best given the circumstances) that is when as Zelda puts it "has given up on reincarnation" and at this point he is so enraged that he becomes simply "a being of pure malice". Now this here, is STILL Ganon... but if you want to talk about a mindless Ganon. This is it. Dark Beast Ganon is the mindless form... it doesn't care about being human again or having any shred of humanity... it's a beast, and it's out to destroy Hyrule, and it's here that Ganon doesn't really give a shit about the little fly buzzing around him in that field, he's just shooting wildly all around.
To me this makes the most sense.
Honestly, this.
How do you waste your time to write this much
I knew it. Sauron was the true enemy all along.
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LOL! (my head: WHY? WHY WOULD HE SAY THAT?!)
So, me and my brother calling it "Ganon cancer" wasn't too far off
Cancerblight ganon
But the question now is What's going to happen to Ganon? Is he going to be in the next Zelda game? Or many you said it could learn and evolve so are we going to fight something that looks like Ganon on the surface but it's actually the Malice
Alice Johnson Yeah, and in my opinion unless malice returns in another game with as big of a role then I feel this would be the very last game in the timeline. Who knows, maybe we will have a game taking place after this one
Ganon will be in the next Zelda game. They don't follow a timeline when making the games, so he will be there. Also, I don't think he's completely gone from whichever timeline this is. He has been a mindless beast before (Oracle of Ages), and he was back for the next game in the timeline.
I'd like to see a cunning Ganondorf again though.
It would actually even be kind of awesome to witness his slow raise in power alongside the heroes journey as he finds out about his past incarnations. I just want them to give Ganon an interesting personality again. There is nothing interesting or personal about fighting a mindless beast made out of pure hate.
Ganondorf was also mindless when you fought him in aLBW (a Link Between Worlds).
I am late but... the next game loz game for switch is hyrule warriors? If i remember right. And there is no ganon i think. So it's dat means no malice in next game? Also it feels like the malice is... *THICC* lava which is just made little bit jellier. I know i am like telling something stupid shi* now i got my tloz botw christmas. First creepy thing was. I got the dlcs. Well i found majora's mask. And i wanted to look deeper this thing. And i found that its dark and cant put off? And has special power to fly, tp, hallucinate? Now i was confused. Why it doesnt have something special power like it cant be put off. But when i saw majoras mask ending i was like. Well thats explains it... and i think that the majora's mask had... malice in it? Because yeah u know why... now this was my stupid shi* theory and being late lel
Nice theory! It was fun to watch and I enjoyed the editing!
Mastermind glad you enjoyed it! :)
In the 'Second Wind' mod for BotW, most of the "Stal-" enemies' skulls will reanimate after defeat, and when _they're_ killed, they drop Evil Cryatals! I still don't know what they're for yet, but it's still cool!!
Bellum from phantom hourglass infects the temple of the ocean king. Malice perhaps? It's also purpleish
Yeah it also has that big eye as a weak point!it also drains life like the substance in botw if you step on it!Wow this theory is very big in many ways
It also took over the ghost ship which probably had magic protecting it beforehand.
And linebeck, but taking over a human is nothing compared divine beasts
Well as we should know now from this theory is that malice could pretty much affect everything
I was thinking the same thing!
NintendoBlackCrisis: "Ganon in BOTW is mindless"
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I predict that in breath of the wild 2 they will admit that the malice eyes are really just the minions of the eye of sauron
Opinions are simply that, and I'm not the most informed, but this is mine. If malice is, as it appears to be, the result of pure hatred, then it isn't some looming threat over Hyrule as you presented it to be at the end of the game. certain enemies when brought to a point of hatred enough to be cursed with malice, become the mindless undead foes link must face, but other than the corrupted water, the only time this has spread, and forgive me for I haven't played skyward sword either, was when calamity Gannon was overtaken by malice because of his hatred of link. to me, this implies that the only reason it spreads and infects things without hatred of their own is that of the immense power of the being it corrupted. with the level of hatred to fule the malice, it was able to spread and corrupt things without their own hatred. now that Gannon is gone again, once link finishes killing the monsters in the land, the remaining malice should subside, as seen in the end credit scenes where everything is clear again. without the hatred of Gannon to fule the malice, it dies away, like a disease without a host. while what is left over is dangerous, it only appears to propagate from hatred. without the hatred of Gannon, there is a finite source of Malice in the world, until someone/something else accumulates enough hatred to produce more malice.
Plot twist, Zelda grows up real bitchy and gains a pure hatred for Ganon coz history and jealous Link is dating a descendant of Ruto and she is the villian of the game, since malice can infect spirits as stated, why not a human form of Hylia who's power is passed on by blood, and how does the bloodline continue? Who does she bang to make the next princess? some games like of SS suggests Zelda and Link had a thing that could have continued, does that mean both could share the same blood since the moment Hylians came back to the ground, which is how Hylia promised a hero through the ages along with her reincarnation? I just thought half of this stoned while replying with the joke in the first line xD But you do bring up a good point, it started with a gerudo thief, what would happen if another race continued the reincarnation cycle through malice, it's glow is oddly similar to demise's hair just a purple like a curse too? especially in dark beast ganon form. You are in the ancient cistern in the time after you defeat demise in the past as well as it being one of the deepest points geographically to be in the game i think? (it felt like it to me)
Vaati from the minish cap has a form that is literally a big purple eyeball, pretty self explanatory
Just Terex Vaati being covered by malice makes SO MUCH SENSE
Botw final boss is actually vaati
The description of dark beast Ganon says "his awareness has been consumed entirely by malice, and all he knows is a desire to rampage and destroy" hope this helps
Even though it's mindless it can learn and evolve? Zelda is now a creeper world game
senor the king It can learn, or at least the Blight Ganons learn. After you start winning the fights against them, they all adopt some new tactic in the fight, implying the Malice has capacity to adapt (for survival, maybe?). The problem is that could also mean that Ganon is still in control.
Reminds me of a Doctor Who episode called Midnight
The game is already dark at almost every turn. The hylian civil war, the gerudo-hylian war, Majora’s mask, Demise, Larule (hope I’m saying that right) the drowning of Hyrule in Wind Waker, Zant taking over (the way he looks for starters, that’s creepy), the sealed grounds, etc. the series maybe family friendly but damn this list alone makes me think otherwise. And now blight?
Dang, this theory is amazing. Your doing good work. I'm surprised that this channel isn't as big as it could be. It's well edited and the theory is put off well. (I write this as I subscribe).
thank you!
Bonus thought: The portal above Hyrule Castle is a portal to the Dark World, like from Link to the Past, and the ACTUAL Ganon, unable to send himself, sent a manifestation of himself made entirely out of dark magic (or malice, whatever you want to think) to stir the pot a bit so, per the Breath of the Wild 2 trailer, he could get his Light World self Ganondorf to wake up and take over.
Just a thought.
So you're telling me that while going through the Ancient Cistern, I encountered the main antagonist of Breath of the Wild and didn't even notice?
I love this theory! It'd be so cool to learn that Malice was the true enemy the whole time, never Ganon.
Also it supports my hope that one day we'll get a good Ganondorf who'll fight alongside Link and Zelda. Poor guy is just misunderstood, the mass genocide and destruction of civilisation weren't his fault at all! He was corrupted by Malice!
while he may be powered, and corrupted by the malice when he's calamity Gannon, the malice spawns from his own internal hatred towards link and hyrule. this can only happen if he was already the vilain.
Remember in King Rhoams Cutscene? it says The Demon King Demons are evil and the meaning of demon is literatly an evil spirit or a devil and he is the kind of them!
6:57 Actually no, that was a mistranslation, in the original Japanese dialogue it’s said that Ganon HASEN’T given up on reincarnation.
More specifically the phrase is: "this form was created from his obsessive refusal to give up on reincarnation"
Really?
SO THE ENTIRE ENGLISH READING WORLD HAS IT WRONG?!
@@iclyn78 yep
Always thought it strange that though the master sword is the "blade that seals the darkness", even if you strike malice pools with it nothing happens like wtf
"...enemies that curse..."
and here am I trying to understand what that Moblin just said to me...
I had never played breath of the Wild but when you started talking about malice I immediately thought of the evil crystal in Skyward Sword and I had completely forgotten about the purple cursed water this is an amazing video man I like it!
The source of the curse is Demise he created all of the cursing stuff and was the one who created the generational curse which created Ganondorf's evil power and this is the ultimate source of malice.
I believe that all of this is actually canon. If you watch the BOTW sequel teaser, you can see clear signs of Malice, especially with the skeleton (Possibly Demise?) reanimating with those slitted yellow-red eyes.
I don't think it's Demise, it's likely just Ganondorf. The only real reason why I don't think it's Demise himself is because of the jewelry and tattered clothing bearing the Gerudo symbol.
Could possibly be demise buried in the Gerudo's jewelry because of Gannon being his reincarnation and the king of the Gerudo
Nah, it’s definitely Ganondorf
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@@hyperswag506 100% isnt demise becuase at the very end of skyward sword FI entered an eternal sleep to trap demise in the master sword. If demise were to return then it would also lead to FI reawakening
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Yeah sadly
The teaser for the second game even backs this theory up.
Ganon is mindless, because Ganon is just the malice of Ganondorf, who is still being trapped by the glowie hand.
feels like nintendo saw this video and was like *"cool idea bro"*
Now that the new trailer came out... this seems to make a WHOLE lot more sense
To add on to the mindless part of Malice, I just found it out on dark beast compendium. While horrifying in this state, his awareness is consumed by Malice. Now, all he knows to do is to kill and destroy. Key words there
Awareness is consumed. Kill and destroy. Malice wants destruction, nothing compared to Ganon’s plan of ruling Hyrule
But the first phase of the Gannon fight, he was clever and knew tactics on how to fight. He wasn't just mindless there. Plus the same can be said for the 4 other bosses.
It ALL comes together!
THIS IS THE BEST THEORY EVER!,
I’m really blowed away by this theory!
Thanks man!
same
That.. is freaking terrifying. But it makes SO. MUCH. SENSE.
Except for the fact that the opposite seems to be true. Calamity Ganon could just be controlling the malice in order to curse the Bokoblin, moblin, and lizalfos skeletons to mindlessly attack people. Also it's stated in the game that Ganon is building a new body for himself from the sheikah tech and malice. The four blight ganons could just be an extension of calamity ganon himself since he would need to stop people from retaking control of the divine beasts, it's not much of a stretch for him to make four smaller versions of himself. He made a puppet and phantom Ganon in wind Waker and another phantom ganon in ocarina of time so that's not really too farfetched to say that's what he's doing here. In ocarina of time Ganondorf only destroyed castle town and just put the other regions in turmoil similar to what he does in breath of the wild with the divine beasts. The transformation into malice part could easily just be his way of causing destruction since at that point he didn't really have a body yet. Also dark beast Ganon going ape shit and destroying everything is basically what he does in twilight princess on a larger scale since he is in a blind rage cause you destroyed his new body. Malice being apart of ganon's magic powers would explain him being able to infect the dragon naydra by basically placing a curse on it. He pretty much does very similar things to this in other games. Destroying large glowing eyes on enemies is a very common thing in the legend of zelda games, hell they even added them to the bosses in the Majora's mask remake.
Substances similar to malice have been manipulated by other villains in the series such as Ghirahim in skyward sword using it to make inanimate objects like Koloktos and scaldera attack you. Vaati uses another similar substance to form a body made from what looks like malice with a giant eye in the center during his fight with link. Demises hatred reincarnated is ganondorf as stated by Eiji aonuma so it would also make sense that ganon would be able to control magic that focuses hatred and malice to curse hyrule.
The sacred realm turned dark because it reflects the heart of whoever wields the triforce, and since ganondorf was wielding the triforce it reflected the evil in him.
The malice also never seems to be a problem outside of the events of each game so if it were evolving and spreading then it's doing a very terrible job. Also once again eyes in zelda games being used as a weak spot is a very common thing.
Malice just seems to be a tool for whichever villain shows up in the games since they are seen using it rather than the other way around.