It was BARELY 180 degrees. They were agreeing with each other on around 80% of matters. Apart from some technicalities, as a whole they were pretty much united. Both only varied in perspective on SOME points. And none of the points were AGAINST islam. Both were completely agreeing on shariyah matters. However since everyone has the right to present their narrative, both of them did and had differences in some places..
they are like two flowers in a banquet, they have no opposing discussion , but approach is different ......that is the unique quality of Quran and Sun-nah ....... i think so ...
@ammarshaheen7539 would not agree with 180 degrees, but the aspect you noted about them being respectful is so true, mate. x feeling bad for our times
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Ghamdi is an invalid teacher, and these aren't scholars, scholars are higher in level, they both can most be called students of knowledge, but that's it. Moving on, Ghamdi makes many haram halal, and by effect supports the liberal stream of Islam
I love Dr Israr Ahmad Sab ,as he was a great Scholar of Islam.Dr sab provided the answers according to Quran and Hadith and under the circles of Islamic Laws.
Look at his arguments they are nowhere close to the Quraan and Sunnah. All his arguments were based upon emotions and were irrelevant and irrational. There's no place for these opinions in Quraan and the Sunnah. His opinion on the Implementation of Islamic Law on the citizens is so absurd and irrational. Things like Beard, Hijab and other personal things don't have anything to do with the State or Islamic Law. 2. Expansion of an Islamic State : Again Dr. Sb confuses the era of the Prophet SAW with today's era. Those verses were only limited to the people of that time and have nothing to do with the modern world. On one side Dr. Sb is cursing the US for their involvement in countries like Iraq, Syrian and Afghanistan but on the other hand he wants an Islamic State to do the same and expand its borders. 3. Treating non- Muslims as the 2nd Grade Citizens : Here also his arguments were totally emotional with no evidence from the Quraan and the Sunnah. This very well talks about his radical mindset which is the most important problem Muslims of today are facing.
@@ShalinaPytI would like to know the references from the Quran that mention whatever you're saying. Quranic verses were limited for the people of that time? I mean where is it mentioned in the Quran or hadith? Also, I don't believe Dr Sab mentioned anything regarding not giving basic rights to non-Muslims. Or degrading them... but still Kindly provide references based on the Quran and Sahih ahadith to support your argument. It seems you're very knowledgeable, so it would be greatly beneficial for me to benefit from your knowledge.
@@abdulmoizrashid158it doesn't need any reference to say that those verses were ment for the people who lived at the time of the Prophet SAW. Not everything is mentioned in the Quraan and the Sunnah. Understanding is what actually matters. It says kill all the disbelievers whereever you find them. Does that apply to today's world ? If yes, then you must kill any disbeliever whenever you meet one. The Quraan clearly indicates that those verses were meant for only those people. As far as the reference is concerned, Understanding the verses doesn't need any references. While unfolding the verses the reality comes into the picture and truth prevails hence such things don't need any references.
What an inspirational debate from Ghamdi sb - amazing.. Allah pak Dr. Israr ki bakhshish karay.. Ghamdi sb was way to sound and logical but his respect towards Dr. Israr is worth looking at 👍
@faizanzar007 please be civilised and agree to disgaree like ghamidi sahab and dr israr sahab. Kuch to seekh lo bhai in logon se. Respect kerna seekh ek doosre k views ki.
Gamdhi sahab is only impressing on dawat and tableeg but apart from the 30 minutes of jummah waaz who cares after that ends so we need to establish a govt based on shariah and make common people forcefully folow islamic laws, I have experience of 36 years that without force nothing is going to change.
No scholar is greater to another scholar, each scholar effects different audiences, audiences deciding who is the best scholar is just praising own thoughts!!
@@MS-Hussain , bahut jyada ho gaya . Israr sahab ne tafseer mein kaha tha ki haroof e miktaat ke mayne kisi ko nahin maloom siwa Allah aur uske rassol ke . Jabki saari tafseero mein kaha gaya hai ki Rasool Allah ko bhi mayne nahin pata tha . Ab kya kahoge inke ilm ko ?
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True Islamic scholars in one video ❤️, no need to judge them even Sahab (R.A) had different opinions, it never reflects their negligence but difference in opinions....May Allah protect us from all the evils.
Nobody is against beard. But there are many scholars historically who do not consider it mandatory. You want to keep it then very good but dont force other or make it religion.
Best comment I read all day. Both very respectable to me. Both very close to my heart. May Allah bless dr Israr jannah and dr Ghamdi a long healthy life
@@raoufahmad9967Bhai tum wo log ho jo humaray deen mein cheezein fraz nhi hoti unko tum apne uper aur dusaro kay uper fraz samjh lete ho. Jab kay wo farz bhi nhi hoti. Dusari baat ye keh Ghamdi shab saab beard kay bilkul bhi khelaaf nahi hain. Unka maanna ye hai k jisne rakhi bohat achi baat hai. Aur jis ne nhi rakhi usko hakrat ki nigha se nhi dekhna chahiye
No body can challenge the routes of Dr.Israr ahmed. His qoutes are always authentic In every matter. He is one of best scholar his own time till now. Allah grant him big rank in jannah.
ماشاءاللہ! غامدی صاحب کے نظریات منطقی، گفتگو مدلل اور شائستہ طرز تکلم عالم دین کے شایان شان ہے۔۔۔ سبحان اللہ! منطقی، مدلل اور شائستہ طرز تکلم بڑی غیر معمولی انقلابی طاقت ہے اللّٰہ کریم! غامدی صاحب کو صحت و سلامتی اور ڈاکٹر صاحب کے درجات بلند فرمائے۔آمین
بہت ہی پیاری گفتگو مگر نہایت ادب کے ساتھ ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد رحمہ اللّٰہ علیہ کی جتنی بھی گفتگو کی غور کریں بات کو سمجھیں قرآن کریم کی تلاوت سے جواب دے رہے ہیں اللّٰہ پاک ڈاکٹر صاحب کی قبر مبارک پے کروڑوں رحمتیں نازل فرمائیں
دونوں علماء نے شائستہ طریقے سے اختلاف کے ساتھ مختلف معاملات پرعلمی گفتگو گی۔ بحیثیت مجموعی جاوید غامدی صاحب کے دلائل زیادہ موثر معلوم ہوئے۔ اللہ تعالیٰ ڈاکٹر اسرار صاحب کو جنت میں اعلی مقام عطا فرمائے اور غامدی صاحب کو لمبی صحت مند زندگی عطا فرمائے تاکہ مسلمان ان کی تبلیغ سے فائدہ اٹھا سکیں آمین
@@saqh.4439 بھائی آپ نے پورا جملہ نہیں پڑھا میں نے کہا ہے جس طرح جس نے جیسے سمجھا ویسے بیان کردیا لیکن دونوں ہی بہت ہی اچھے دین کی سمجھ رکھنے والے ہیں ویسے آپ کو جو سمجھ آئی وہ لے لو باقی چھوڑ دو
Dr Israr sahib is beyond any expediency. He doesn't know hypocrisy. He explains Islam as it is in the light of Quran and Suunah. Whereas Ghamdi sahib tries to please both people and Allah hence he lets his opinion surpass divine teachings. He suits the people who are escapist and want to please both their baser self and Allah.
The point is simple as Dr.israr saab Said..koi qanoon Agr huga tu wo ALLAH PAK K HUKAM K MUTABIQ OR Quran pak K mutqbiq HUGA..jaisy HAMARY nabi pak(S.A.W) K ZAMANA MAI tha..simple
Dr. israr devoted his entire life to making people understand the Holy Quran. He lived a very simple life. May ALLAH bless his soul in jannat ul firdous
ڈاکٹر اسرار صاحب ایک بہت اچھے عالم دین تھے، اللہ انھیں جنت نصیب کرے۔ جاوید احمد غامدی کی دلائل زیادہ واضح اور مضبوط ہیں اور ان کی عالمانہ سنجیدگی اور اعتدال پسند رویہ حد درجہ موثر اور پرکشش ہیں۔
اس قدر علمی گفتگو کے درمیان اس فیمیل اینکر کے بچکانہ سوالات نے سارا مزا کرکرا کردیا۔ پروگرام کے پروڈیوسر کو سوچنا چاہیے تھا کہ جب دو پائے کے عالم دین بطور مہمان موجود ہیں تو میزبان بھی اسی ذہنی سطح کے ہونے چاہیے۔
Dr. Israr Ahmed Saheb ko Allah Jannah ata kare. In this discussion, on the role of the state, Ghamidi Sb. mentions that the state can impose on its citizens only on matters related to Tawheed, Salah and Zakat. According, to Israr Sb. the state can impose instructions on other matters also and may even order killing of those who do not adhere to the ruling. We all know, that our prophet Muhammed (SAW), establshed the first Islamic state in Medina after which several wars were fought. We also know, several hypocrites refused to go to war with our prophet. Whether these people were ordered to be killed (beheaded) by our prophet, on their refusal to participate in the war? The Quran doesn't say so. To me the argument of Ghamidi Sb. seems to be correct.
غامدی صاحب اپنی علمی گہرائی اور فراست کے لیے معروف ہیں۔ ان کی گفتگو کا انداز اور مسائل پر ان کی گہری نظر دلوں کو فتح کر لیتی ہے۔ ان کی علمی بصیرت اور حکمت عملی واقعی قابل تحسین ہے۔
غامدی کو پاکستان میں بیٹھے صرف اردو بولنا اتا ہے اردو کتابوں کو پڑھ کر اور ناولوں کو پڑھ کر اس نے اتنا کچھ بولنا سیکھا ہے ورنہ تو اس کو دین کا علم ایک رائے کے برابر بھی نہیں ہے اور یہ دینی علم بالکل جاہک اور اس سے بڑھ کر جاہل ہے
Both are legends, and so Humbel . During the debate, both are saying I'm disagree with his vision. But they're not saying to other one is Kafir ........etc
It is worth noting how peaceful and respectful both are. This is actual way of presenting your arguments without indulging into heated debates. Look at the cartoons these days in the Pakistani tv programs. They keep criticizing and interrupting each other while speaking.
ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد نہایت اہم عالم دین ہیں۔دین کے لیے ان کی خدمات ناقابل فراموش ہیں لیکن غامدی صاحب اپنے موقف میں بہت واضح ہیں ۔ ان کے دلائل دین کے غائر مطالعہ کے عکاس ہیں۔
Ghamdi sahabs thinking is very peaceful and non violent...both scholars are great having excellent knowledge but ghamdi sahab is following the peaceful way to spread Islam and knowledge of Islam while as other scholars are supporting violence ...
Haha seriously No preacher is allowed to preach anything against Quran and sunnah. Out deen is mukamal we dnt need any one to teach us anything from there own fallible mind
@@UmiKhawlah Assalam o Alaikum, Sister Muhaqaq (Researcher) interpret the Qur'an and the Hadith according to the events at which these revelations came to Hazrat Muhammad SAAW. No addition never accepted nor will be accepted.
I love both Dr Israr Ahmad and Javed Ahmed Ghamdi.. both are respectable and knowledgeable person. Kash humary pass or bi Ulama Karam es terha ky hoty.
اسلام اور جمہوریت دو الگ چیزیں ھیں۔ جمہوریت میں اکثریت کی رائے مانی جاتی ہے اور اسلام میں اگر ایک شخص بھی حق پر کھڑا ہوگا تو اسی کی مانی جائے گی اسی لیے اسلام اور جمہوریت میں بہت بڑا فرق ہے۔ حق پر وہی ہے جو اسلام میں قران اور سنت کی بات کرے گا۔
علم جب ھو تو پھر بدتمیزی ،بدتحزیبی ،بے ادبی کا سوال ھی نہیں پیدا ھوتا۔۔دونوں میں اختلاف اپنی جگہ مگر دونوں ایک دائرے میں تھے۔۔ماشاءاللہ۔۔ڈاکٹر اسرار کو اللہ جنت میں جگہ عطا فرمائے
I see it as a debate kyonki islaam me VS jaisa kuch bhi nahin , Javed sahab aur Dr Israr humaari ummat ke bohat hi shaandaar ullema hain , allah sab par apni rehmat kare inshaallah..💐💐💐
Dr. Israr Ahmad is absolutely right here as he is conveying the same msg that Allah gave to our Holy Prophet pbuh and Sahabas acted upon after Holy Prophet pbuh. Islam is modest according to every era till qayamah
ماشااللہ بہت خوبصورت ڈیبیٹ بہت خوبصورت مہمان خوبصورت اختلاف ادب اور شائستگی کی بہترین مثال یعنی بس کمال ھی کمال اللہ پاک مولانا ڈاکٹر اسرار صاخب کو جنت الفردوس میں اعلی مقام عطا فرماے جناب غامدی صاخب کو صخت و تندرستی عطا فرماے اپنے اپنے دائرے میں دونوں خضرات دیں کے بہترین داعی ھیں
MA SHA ALLAH BOTH ARE BEST SCHOLARS, yahan main dr israr ahmad se mutafik hun jihad kay mamly main agar sahaba kay bad muslman jese salahuddin ayubi isky ilawa jitny bhi sippa salar guzre hain jinho ne jihad kiyaa agar wo naa karty aor dawat o tableegh hi karty rehty to shyad hi islam ajj baki rehta, yahi jihad aor iska khouf kay kahin muslman hum par hamla ma kardyy islam ko qaim rakta hai, JAZAKALLAH
Everyone can make a final decision that who's arguments are strong but I personally believe that without a socio economic system, Muslims wouldn't rise , as we are seeing now a days.... Most importantly Parda for women , outside home should be implemented, so that our upcoming girls wouldn't see women without parda outside so they don't follow them ... Dr. Israr Sahab was definitely right at it ... May Allah grant him Jannah (Ameen)
What an intellectual and respective debate . Even tough they disagree with each other but no shouting no disgusted face and all things like that. They didn't insulted each other on personal metter... just phenomenal & First time listening javed ghambi this long. man also has some incredible knowledge & perception.. al
Allah ka hukam hai k deen qaim ho. Namaz deen nhe hai. Haan jabr nhe hai k ap kon sa mazhab akhtiyar krty hain. Har mazhab ki izzat hai. Lekin agar deen ko smjhna hai to khulafa e Rasheeden k dor hukomat ka mutala kren
@@Madi-ss9bc khilafat k mamlat huzor k dor me nhe balkay khulafa e Rasheeden k dor me aen hain. Huzoor ki zindagi ka mutala to wese hi krna chahye sirf khilafat k liye to nhe krna. Huzoor k bad jo mamlaat pesh ae hain un ki guidance khulfae Rashedeen se mile gi
MashALLAH both are great scholars, there views and opinions were totally different from eachother but still they didn't raised voice or disrespected. What a graceful personalities God bless them both
They both are my heroes. Maybe I like Dr Israr Ahmed more and disagree with Javed Sahab on some topics but I’ve immense respect for him too and love to listen to him. They both are genius so it’s quite possible they will have their own opinions which will be conflicting
Bilkul nhi , ghamdi sahab ki boli ek communalism wali hai ,kahin bhi jihad ko ,kahin bhi islami mumlikyat ki support nhi kr rhe ghamdi bas sulah sulah contract contract wali baate kr rhe hain ghamdi sahab .
Excellent debate, I think some very good points were made my Mr Ghamdi, no disrespect to Dr Israr, may Allah elevate him to the highest ranks of jannah.
What a golden age it was mayn. Both have 180 degrees views to each other but still doing debate in a respectful manner. ❤️
It was BARELY 180 degrees.
They were agreeing with each other on around 80% of matters.
Apart from some technicalities, as a whole they were pretty much united.
Both only varied in perspective on SOME points. And none of the points were AGAINST islam. Both were completely agreeing on shariyah matters. However since everyone has the right to present their narrative, both of them did and had differences in some places..
Agreed and both are amazing scholars no doubt@@ammarshaheen7539
they are like two flowers in a banquet, they have no opposing discussion , but approach is different ......that is the unique quality of Quran and Sun-nah .......
i think so ...
@ammarshaheen7539 would not agree with 180 degrees, but the aspect you noted about them being respectful is so true, mate. x feeling bad for our times
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ماشااللہ ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد صاحب بہت بڑے عالم دین ہیں ۔
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Ghamadi aapa bhi baithi hain
اللہ تعالیٰ ڈاکٹر صاحب کو کروٹ کروٹ جنت نصیب فرمائے، 90 کی دھائی میں ڈاکٹر صاحب نے جو پیش گوئیاں کی تھیں آج حرف بہ حرف سچ ثابت ہورہی ہیں
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The both Dr.Israr Ahmed and Javed Ghamdi sb are rich information and knowledge regarding the all world history.both are legend masha Allah
Javed Ghamdi, legend? Do you know what legend means?
Ghamidi is Kafir. He says Interest is Halal . He also says Qadianis are not Kafir. He gave many crazy fatwas
Agree
Ghamdi is murtad
Not ghamdi
Both of these are our own scholars . Don’t disrespect anyone . In dono ny apni poori zindgi Allah k deen k lye waqf kee . Salam in dono buzurgo py
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Ghamdi is an invalid teacher, and these aren't scholars, scholars are higher in level, they both can most be called students of knowledge, but that's it. Moving on, Ghamdi makes many haram halal, and by effect supports the liberal stream of Islam
Kia bat hy Dr Israr ahmed ki❤️🌹👌🏻
Kiya khoobsurat waqt tha jab do log samne beth ke behas ker sakte they.. aur ek dusre ki raye se ikhtilaaf ker sakte they. ❤
گولڈن دور ❤
Dr israr is Absolutely 💯 Right appreciate it very much for your Thanks Regards Muhammad Shafique from Tauheed Block Bahria town Lahore Pakistan bless.
I love Dr Israr Ahmad Sab ,as he was a great Scholar of Islam.Dr sab provided the answers according to Quran and Hadith and under the circles of Islamic Laws.
Dr Israr is right amd logical
Look at his arguments they are nowhere close to the Quraan and Sunnah. All his arguments were based upon emotions and were irrelevant and irrational. There's no place for these opinions in Quraan and the Sunnah.
His opinion on the Implementation of Islamic Law on the citizens is so absurd and irrational. Things like Beard, Hijab and other personal things don't have anything to do with the State or Islamic Law.
2. Expansion of an Islamic State : Again Dr. Sb confuses the era of the Prophet SAW with today's era. Those verses were only limited to the people of that time and have nothing to do with the modern world. On one side Dr. Sb is cursing the US for their involvement in countries like Iraq, Syrian and Afghanistan but on the other hand he wants an Islamic State to do the same and expand its borders.
3. Treating non- Muslims as the 2nd Grade Citizens : Here also his arguments were totally emotional with no evidence from the Quraan and the Sunnah. This very well talks about his radical mindset which is the most important problem Muslims of today are facing.
@@ShalinaPytI would like to know the references from the Quran that mention whatever you're saying. Quranic verses were limited for the people of that time? I mean where is it mentioned in the Quran or hadith? Also, I don't believe Dr Sab mentioned anything regarding not giving basic rights to non-Muslims. Or degrading them... but still Kindly provide references based on the Quran and Sahih ahadith to support your argument. It seems you're very knowledgeable, so it would be greatly beneficial for me to benefit from your knowledge.
@@abdulmoizrashid158it doesn't need any reference to say that those verses were ment for the people who lived at the time of the Prophet SAW. Not everything is mentioned in the Quraan and the Sunnah. Understanding is what actually matters.
It says kill all the disbelievers whereever you find them. Does that apply to today's world ? If yes, then you must kill any disbeliever whenever you meet one. The Quraan clearly indicates that those verses were meant for only those people.
As far as the reference is concerned, Understanding the verses doesn't need any references. While unfolding the verses the reality comes into the picture and truth prevails hence such things don't need any references.
Dr Israr is matchless
He is Legend
Dr israr sahab Allah jannat me jaga atta farmaye ameen
Ameen
Aameen summa aameen
AmeenYaRabbilA'lameen!
Bewakoof nasbi moulvi ko jannat kahase milegi sharam kar
Dr. Israr Ahmed ❤
Love from India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Nobody can match dr israr ahmed, such scholars are born in centuries. ALLAH bless him
ماشاء اللہ ❤❤❤
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But Javed sb has much better , deeper and clearer understanding of Islam and Quran
Aameen❤❤❤
Muslims should learn from this debate and discussion, this is display of knowledge at next level . God bless both of them
Dr Israr sahab❤❤❤
What an inspirational debate from Ghamdi sb - amazing.. Allah pak Dr. Israr ki bakhshish karay.. Ghamdi sb was way to sound and logical but his respect towards Dr. Israr is worth looking at 👍
Kaun si baat achi lgi bhai tujhe ghamdi ki ?
@faizanzar007 please be civilised and agree to disgaree like ghamidi sahab and dr israr sahab. Kuch to seekh lo bhai in logon se. Respect kerna seekh ek doosre k views ki.
Amazing concepts clarity from ghamdi sahab, dr israr was also a great scholor
Gamdhi sahab is only impressing on dawat and tableeg but apart from the 30 minutes of jummah waaz who cares after that ends so we need to establish a govt based on shariah and make common people forcefully folow islamic laws, I have experience of 36 years that without force nothing is going to change.
Dr Israr was the one of the best scholar of phase...noone is like hin
Kuch zyada ho gaya
He was indeed a great islamic scholar.
No scholar is greater to another scholar, each scholar effects different audiences, audiences deciding who is the best scholar is just praising own thoughts!!
@@MS-Hussain , bahut jyada ho gaya .
Israr sahab ne tafseer mein kaha tha ki haroof e miktaat ke mayne kisi ko nahin maloom siwa Allah aur uske rassol ke .
Jabki saari tafseero mein kaha gaya hai ki Rasool Allah ko bhi mayne nahin pata tha .
Ab kya kahoge inke ilm ko ?
Allah Pak Dr Israr sahib ko janat firdus mein aala mokam Aata frmaeiy Ameen
@@abdulrashidkhan2196 brother you should watch their videos because they did not said that,
or bhai ap ye keh rhy ho hy saari tafseero mein kaha gaya hai ki Rasool Allah ko bhi mayne nahin pata tha,
bhai zara ja kar check har tafsser me ye nhi kha gya balky har kisi ki alag alag raiy thi , or agr kisi ki raiiy alag ho to bo bura nhi ho jata
دونوں بڑے عالم ہیں ، لوگوں کے علم کو بڑھانے میں دونوں کا بہت اہم کردار ہے
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True Islamic scholars in one video ❤️, no need to judge them even Sahab (R.A) had different opinions, it never reflects their negligence but difference in opinions....May Allah protect us from all the evils.
Ghamdi isn't scholar. A person who is against beard how come he is scholar?
@@raoufahmad9967who told you he's against a beard? He can't grow a beard, some men can't grow beards even if they want to.
Nobody is against beard. But there are many scholars historically who do not consider it mandatory.
You want to keep it then very good but dont force other or make it religion.
Best comment I read all day. Both very respectable to me. Both very close to my heart. May Allah bless dr Israr jannah and dr Ghamdi a long healthy life
@@raoufahmad9967Bhai tum wo log ho jo humaray deen mein cheezein fraz nhi hoti unko tum apne uper aur dusaro kay uper fraz samjh lete ho. Jab kay wo farz bhi nhi hoti.
Dusari baat ye keh Ghamdi shab saab beard kay bilkul bhi khelaaf nahi hain. Unka maanna ye hai k jisne rakhi bohat achi baat hai. Aur jis ne nhi rakhi usko hakrat ki nigha se nhi dekhna chahiye
No body can challenge the routes of Dr.Israr ahmed.
His qoutes are always authentic In every matter.
He is one of best scholar his own time till now.
Allah grant him big rank in jannah.
AmeenYaRabbilA'lameen!
ماشاءاللہ! غامدی صاحب کے نظریات منطقی، گفتگو مدلل اور شائستہ طرز تکلم عالم دین کے شایان شان ہے۔۔۔ سبحان اللہ!
منطقی، مدلل اور شائستہ طرز تکلم بڑی غیر معمولی انقلابی طاقت ہے
اللّٰہ کریم! غامدی صاحب کو صحت و سلامتی اور ڈاکٹر صاحب کے درجات بلند فرمائے۔آمین
Kya khubsurat شخصیت thy Dr. Israr sahb kamal ka ذوقِ علم❤
Ma Sha Allah Dr. Israr Ahmad
بہت ہی پیاری گفتگو مگر نہایت ادب کے ساتھ ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد رحمہ اللّٰہ علیہ کی جتنی بھی گفتگو کی غور کریں بات کو سمجھیں قرآن کریم کی تلاوت سے جواب دے رہے ہیں اللّٰہ پاک ڈاکٹر صاحب کی قبر مبارک پے کروڑوں رحمتیں نازل فرمائیں
Aameen
Ameen❤
غامدی صاحب قرآن کریم کے علاوہ کوئی بات نہیں کر رہے ہیں
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Agree with dr israr Ahmed sahb Allah Dr sahb ko ghareeq, e, rahmat kare aur Jannat mai aala muqam ata farmaye Aameen.❤❤❤
غامدی صاحب کے دلائل مضبوط پیش کیئے ہیں اللّٰہ پاک ڈاکٹر صاحب کی اللّٰہ پاک مغفرت فرمائے آمین
😂😂😂😂😂😂
ہندو گائے کے ذبیحہ پر پابندی لگائے گا۔
جب بھی جنگ ہو گی ہندو انڈیا کی حمایت کرے گا
زکوات ٹیکس کا نعیم البدل نہیں ہو سکتا ڈاکٹر اسرار صاحب سے اتفاق
What a anchor❤️ we need these types of podcasters and journalists today
ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد صاحب کا موقف زیادہ اچھا ہے
me b dr israr ka fan hn lekin yahan ghamdi sahab jeet gae h dr israr muakaml tor per be bas hain
This is what u call ilmi behes...
Hamen isse seekhna chahiye ikhtilaf kaise krte hain....!
دونوں علماء نے شائستہ طریقے سے اختلاف کے ساتھ مختلف معاملات پرعلمی گفتگو گی۔ بحیثیت مجموعی جاوید غامدی صاحب کے دلائل زیادہ موثر معلوم ہوئے۔ اللہ تعالیٰ ڈاکٹر اسرار صاحب کو جنت میں اعلی مقام عطا فرمائے اور غامدی صاحب کو لمبی صحت مند زندگی عطا فرمائے تاکہ مسلمان ان کی تبلیغ سے فائدہ اٹھا سکیں آمین
Dr israr the great scholar in the world
ڈاکٹراسرار صاحب ۔ امت کیلےاللہ تعالی کی نصرت رہی ھے۔ اور تاقیامت مسلمان مستفید ھوتے رہیں گے۔
No one can reach level of ghamidi sb and israr sb
Both are perfect of the way they understand islam
They both can't be right kuch aqal kro
@@saqh.4439 بھائی آپ نے پورا جملہ نہیں پڑھا میں نے کہا ہے جس طرح جس نے جیسے سمجھا ویسے بیان کردیا لیکن دونوں ہی بہت ہی اچھے دین کی سمجھ رکھنے والے ہیں
ویسے آپ کو جو سمجھ آئی وہ لے لو باقی چھوڑ دو
Ghamdi sb bekar admi
@@saqh.4439 WHY CANT BE? SHOULD I REMIND YOU OF THE HADITH ABOUT ASAR PRAYER?
کچھ باتیں غامدی صاحب کی ٹھیک ہیں لیکن جو اللّٰہ کا حکم ہے دین کو نافذ کیا جائے ڈاکٹر اسرار صاحب بالکل درست ہیں
Dr Israr sahib is beyond any expediency. He doesn't know hypocrisy. He explains Islam as it is in the light of Quran and Suunah. Whereas Ghamdi sahib tries to please both people and Allah hence he lets his opinion surpass divine teachings. He suits the people who are escapist and want to please both their baser self and Allah.
They both are great scholars of Islam
No one match with ghamidi sahib's knowledge,❤❤❤
The point is simple as Dr.israr saab Said..koi qanoon Agr huga tu wo ALLAH PAK K HUKAM K MUTABIQ OR Quran pak K mutqbiq HUGA..jaisy HAMARY nabi pak(S.A.W) K ZAMANA MAI tha..simple
Dr. israr devoted his entire life to making people understand the Holy Quran. He lived a very simple life. May ALLAH bless his soul in jannat ul firdous
ڈاکٹر اسرار صاحب ایک بہت اچھے عالم دین تھے، اللہ انھیں جنت نصیب کرے۔ جاوید احمد غامدی کی دلائل زیادہ واضح اور مضبوط ہیں اور ان کی عالمانہ سنجیدگی اور اعتدال پسند رویہ حد درجہ موثر اور پرکشش ہیں۔
ارے میرے بھائی آپ کے غامدی صاحب کون ہیں ذرا ان سے پوچھیں کہ انہوں نے پہلے اسلام پر کتنا عمل کیا ہے، سنت مبارکہ داڑھی رکھنے دیں۔
غامدی صاحب جس طرح بیان فرما رہے ہیں اس طرح تو ہر کوئی بیان کر سکتا ہے مگر عمل کوئی نہیں کر سکتا دین اسلام کے اوپر
ڈاکٹر اسرار صاحب ایک عالم دین ہے اور اس نے اسلام پر پورا عمل کیا ہوا ہے
اس قدر علمی گفتگو کے درمیان اس فیمیل اینکر کے بچکانہ سوالات نے سارا مزا کرکرا کردیا۔ پروگرام کے پروڈیوسر کو سوچنا چاہیے تھا کہ جب دو پائے کے عالم دین بطور مہمان موجود ہیں تو میزبان بھی اسی ذہنی سطح کے ہونے چاہیے۔
Right brother
بلکل صحیح فرمایا اپ نے.
Right
Right
Ha ya bat to ha duniya news ma ha iak banda pochta tha swal ghamdi sab sy swal
اپ دونوں آمین احسن اصلاحی کے ہونہار شاگرد ہیں
Dono Khush-akhlaq , bahot khush-akhlaq hai , ( Allah khubul karle in dono ki mahnat )
Dr. Israr Ahmed Saheb ko Allah Jannah ata kare.
In this discussion, on the role of the state, Ghamidi Sb. mentions that the state can impose on its citizens only on matters related to Tawheed, Salah and Zakat. According, to Israr Sb. the state can impose instructions on other matters also and may even order killing of those who do not adhere to the ruling. We all know, that our prophet Muhammed (SAW), establshed the first Islamic state in Medina after which several wars were fought. We also know, several hypocrites refused to go to war with our prophet. Whether these people were ordered to be killed (beheaded) by our prophet, on their refusal to participate in the war? The Quran doesn't say so.
To me the argument of Ghamidi Sb. seems to be correct.
غامدی صاحب اپنی علمی گہرائی اور فراست کے لیے معروف ہیں۔ ان کی گفتگو کا انداز اور مسائل پر ان کی گہری نظر دلوں کو فتح کر لیتی ہے۔ ان کی علمی بصیرت اور حکمت عملی واقعی قابل تحسین ہے۔
غامدی صاحب کسی بیرونی طاقت کی پیداوار ہیں مسلمانوں کے عقائد بولنے کے لیے
Ghamdi aik fitna hy ,Allah Ummah KO mehfouz rukhy
i smell a liberal
Leikin baath to samjho... Wo apni aati rai nahi de rahe balki quran ka hawala de rahe hai@@Asmaiftakhar
غامدی کو پاکستان میں بیٹھے صرف اردو بولنا اتا ہے اردو کتابوں کو پڑھ کر اور ناولوں کو پڑھ کر اس نے اتنا کچھ بولنا سیکھا ہے ورنہ تو اس کو دین کا علم ایک رائے کے برابر بھی نہیں ہے اور یہ دینی علم بالکل جاہک اور اس سے بڑھ کر جاہل ہے
Both are legends, and so Humbel . During the debate, both are saying I'm disagree with his vision. But they're not saying to other one is Kafir ........etc
It is worth noting how peaceful and respectful both are. This is actual way of presenting your arguments without indulging into heated debates. Look at the cartoons these days in the Pakistani tv programs. They keep criticizing and interrupting each other while speaking.
Dr israr Ahmad was a gem 💎
Best ever discussion and so much respect shown by both even after having disagreements. Listening properly to each other and not cutting in between
Dr Israr Ahmed is a legendary personality
ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد نہایت اہم عالم دین ہیں۔دین کے لیے ان کی خدمات ناقابل فراموش ہیں لیکن غامدی صاحب اپنے موقف میں بہت واضح ہیں ۔ ان کے دلائل دین کے غائر مطالعہ کے عکاس ہیں۔
ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد مرحوم کے دلائل مضبوط ہیں
Ghamdi sahabs thinking is very peaceful and non violent...both scholars are great having excellent knowledge but ghamdi sahab is following the peaceful way to spread Islam and knowledge of Islam while as other scholars are supporting violence ...
Actually the thing you are saying violance are hadood Allah. Strictness depicted 8n Quraan
Haha seriously No preacher is allowed to preach anything against Quran and sunnah. Out deen is mukamal we dnt need any one to teach us anything from there own fallible mind
@@UmiKhawlah Assalam o Alaikum, Sister Muhaqaq (Researcher) interpret the Qur'an and the Hadith according to the events at which these revelations came to Hazrat Muhammad SAAW. No addition never accepted nor will be accepted.
Do you dare to say that Sahana and our beloved prophet spread violence.
Was was the results of its violence,
Peace Everywhere
@@RSK.EntertainmentNo violence, let the zani enter your home peacefully.
ڈاکٹر صاحب بڑے سکالر ہیں لیکن اس معاملے میں غامدی صاحب کے موقف سے اتفاق کرتا ہوں۔
I love both Dr Israr Ahmad and Javed Ahmed Ghamdi.. both are respectable and knowledgeable person. Kash humary pass or bi Ulama Karam es terha ky hoty.
Dr Israr sb what a great personality نور الله مرقده
55:29, the way he confirms😊😊
Dr Asrar is absolutely on mark
I recommend everyone to watch this debate. Such a beautiful video on RUclips
So much to learn
اسلام اور جمہوریت دو الگ چیزیں ھیں۔ جمہوریت میں اکثریت کی رائے مانی جاتی ہے اور اسلام میں اگر ایک شخص بھی حق پر کھڑا ہوگا تو اسی کی مانی جائے گی اسی لیے اسلام اور جمہوریت میں بہت بڑا فرق ہے۔ حق پر وہی ہے جو اسلام میں قران اور سنت کی بات کرے گا۔
09:48
Both personalities are institutions in themselves. Hats off. MashAllah....SubhanAllah.
Interviewer Janab Rehan SB is also awesome❤
Dr israr sb Rehmatullahi Great scholar. From India Aligarh Muslim University Tablighi jamat india
علم جب ھو تو پھر بدتمیزی ،بدتحزیبی ،بے ادبی کا سوال ھی نہیں پیدا ھوتا۔۔دونوں میں اختلاف اپنی جگہ مگر دونوں ایک دائرے میں تھے۔۔ماشاءاللہ۔۔ڈاکٹر اسرار کو اللہ جنت میں جگہ عطا فرمائے
Dr asrar Ahmad is my inspiration❤
I see it as a debate kyonki islaam me VS jaisa kuch bhi nahin , Javed sahab aur Dr Israr humaari ummat ke bohat hi shaandaar ullema hain , allah sab par apni rehmat kare inshaallah..💐💐💐
Dr Israr was one of the greatest scholars of 21st century.
Great debate! I respect both of their view. Allah dr. Israr ky darjat buland farmaye
Dr israr ahmad is a legend man forever ❤❤❤
Dr. Israr Ahmad is absolutely right here as he is conveying the same msg that Allah gave to our Holy Prophet pbuh and Sahabas acted upon after Holy Prophet pbuh. Islam is modest according to every era till qayamah
Such a delicate topic, which needs to be in light during legislative procedures in our parliament.
ustad Ghamidi Saheb is the true mufasir, he explains the facts with logic
ماشااللہ بہت خوبصورت ڈیبیٹ بہت خوبصورت مہمان خوبصورت اختلاف ادب اور شائستگی کی بہترین مثال یعنی بس کمال ھی کمال اللہ پاک مولانا ڈاکٹر اسرار صاخب کو جنت الفردوس میں اعلی مقام عطا فرماے جناب غامدی صاخب کو صخت و تندرستی عطا فرماے اپنے اپنے دائرے میں دونوں خضرات دیں کے بہترین داعی ھیں
just one word, Amazing, Both are exceptional and logical. I am happy to see both of them together.
Dr Israr is ماشاءاللہ لا قوۃ الا باللہ
Dr. Israr Ahmad the legend.....May Allah Give him high place in Jannah
Always Dr israr Ahmed 😍😍
ڈاکٹر اسرار احمد مرحوم کو اللہ تعالیٰ جنت لفردوس میں اعلیٰ سے اعلیٰ مقام عطا فرمائیے ۔۔
जावेद अहमद घमीडी साहब का मौकफ ज्यादा ठीक है मेरे नजदीक और अंदाज ए बयान में उनका कोई सानी नहीं, अल्लाह डॉक्टर इसरार साहब को जन्नत में आला मुकाम अता करे
MA SHA ALLAH BOTH ARE BEST SCHOLARS, yahan main dr israr ahmad se mutafik hun jihad kay mamly main agar sahaba kay bad muslman jese salahuddin ayubi isky ilawa jitny bhi sippa salar guzre hain jinho ne jihad kiyaa agar wo naa karty aor dawat o tableegh hi karty rehty to shyad hi islam ajj baki rehta, yahi jihad aor iska khouf kay kahin muslman hum par hamla ma kardyy islam ko qaim rakta hai, JAZAKALLAH
Great debat but I am Wait Dr israr
Everyone can make a final decision that who's arguments are strong but I personally believe that without a socio economic system, Muslims wouldn't rise , as we are seeing now a days.... Most importantly Parda for women , outside home should be implemented, so that our upcoming girls wouldn't see women without parda outside so they don't follow them ... Dr. Israr Sahab was definitely right at it ... May Allah grant him Jannah (Ameen)
ماشاءاللہ غامدی صاحب کے دلائل مضبوط ہیں ❤
What an intellectual and respective debate . Even tough they disagree with each other but no shouting no disgusted face and all things like that. They didn't insulted each other on personal metter... just phenomenal & First time listening javed ghambi this long. man also has some incredible knowledge & perception.. al
Ghamdi sahb wants us to live a cowardly life 😂 while Dr israr wants us to struggle for Islam ❤
Kia khubsurat debate hae mashallah.one of the golden videos
Ghamidi sahb sound more logical and relatable to Islam. Afterall there is no compulsion in religion. Respect for both❤
Ghamdi Jahil
Allah ka hukam hai k deen qaim ho. Namaz deen nhe hai. Haan jabr nhe hai k ap kon sa mazhab akhtiyar krty hain. Har mazhab ki izzat hai. Lekin agar deen ko smjhna hai to khulafa e Rasheeden k dor hukomat ka mutala kren
Muneer hadees,muneer return of isa,western secular dubious character,mere mutabiq bhas yehi hai iska,Jo Rai Qur'an aur takrai uski haesyat kudae itni bhi nahin.
@@rjameel. khulafa e rashideen ki bajaye Hazoor pak (saw) ki zindagi ka mutalia karn tou zada afaaka ho ga
@@Madi-ss9bc khilafat k mamlat huzor k dor me nhe balkay khulafa e Rasheeden k dor me aen hain. Huzoor ki zindagi ka mutala to wese hi krna chahye sirf khilafat k liye to nhe krna. Huzoor k bad jo mamlaat pesh ae hain un ki guidance khulfae Rashedeen se mile gi
I learn from ghamidi saab..but dr israr saab... Thinking perfectly
Allah Molana Israr sb ko jaanat me jaga farmaye.
He was great scholar
MashALLAH both are great scholars, there views and opinions were totally different from eachother but still they didn't raised voice or disrespected.
What a graceful personalities
God bless them both
If Ghamidi's point is considered correct, this will mean islam and Prophet (SAW) were just sent for the Arab peninsula and/or ahle kitab
Nope he never said that
Yah it’s a tribal cult at best which grew on the strength of sword… that’s the truth
@@vineetdeorari8017 your mother and sisters are converting to islam in their MILLIONS, in this the EDUCATED 21st century. Case proven.
They both are my heroes. Maybe I like Dr Israr Ahmed more and disagree with Javed Sahab on some topics but I’ve immense respect for him too and love to listen to him. They both are genius so it’s quite possible they will have their own opinions which will be conflicting
me dr israr sahb ka sab say bara fan hn lekin yahan debate me dr ghamdi jeet gae hain 😢 unke jawab bht umdaaa hain
Bilkul nhi , ghamdi sahab ki boli ek communalism wali hai ,kahin bhi jihad ko ,kahin bhi islami mumlikyat ki support nhi kr rhe ghamdi bas sulah sulah contract contract wali baate kr rhe hain ghamdi sahab .
Baat ye nahi ki ghamidi sahb Jeet Gaye
Baat ye hai ki tum ne saaf Dil se Dr israr sahb ko nahi sune tum west se influenced ho
Gamdi ke fans ko lagta hai gamdi jeet gaya. Mager mach ke aansu se aap Dr israr ke fan nahi bano ge. 😂
Excellent debate, I think some very good points were made my Mr Ghamdi, no disrespect to Dr Israr, may Allah elevate him to the highest ranks of jannah.
ماشاءاللہ، میزبان ابو یحیی صاحب نہایت خوبصورت طریقے سے اس بحث کو لیکر چلے۔
Dr israr was a great islamic scholar.
Kaash kabhee Dr Israr k qadmoun me baith sakta me ❤ kia piyara shakhs hay Allah jannat me aala muqaam ata karey
Dr Israr Ahmed❤❤❤❤
Alhamdulillah very healthy discussion b/w 2 big scholars , May Allah accept their struggle towards Allah.❤
YEH HOTI HY ILMI BEHES.. MA SHA ALLAH - ALLAH ULAMA PE APNA KHAS FAZAL FARMAE.. IN DONO PE BHI AMEEN
I 100% agree with Dr israr ahmad's point of view.