Tip for the video editors: please, watch the video without earphones before exporting, every video on this channel has really low audio and trying to turn up the volume only lowers the audio quality. It's quite bad for people who prefer using speakers.
Seriously. It's trivial to turn the volume down a bit, but it's almost impossible to boost it if you are using a limited system (e.g. earphones at a noisy airport). Max volume on this video is barely passable in a normal quiet environment, there's no reason to not make it higher overall
Sappho lived between c. 630 and c. 570 BCE what's known about women from Athen is mostly from the times after Athen became a republic in 500 BCE. Different times, different rules. Married women and daughters at most times in history had to stay at home and did not had much - official - influence. But there have always been women who could travel around, but mostly this women weren't well respected.
Speaking of the Oracle of Delphi, I heard that the Pythia inspired Solon to enact the first democracy in Athens. That High Priestess probably had no idea that she was helping to change the development of humanity.
compared to modern standards no but Athenian democracy definetly was uniqe innovation in it's time. Especially in the Western hemisphere. It set a precedent that society doesn't need to be ruled by kings, despots or semi-divine potentates adn that government should finally be in the control of voters and citizens. Plato and Socrates loathed the idea tho, and claimed the majority simply lacks the knowledge to do so, which is probably why John Dewey highlighted the role of education in a functioning democracy. At least they had a safeguard of exiling demagogues and populists that appeal to the masses, Ostracism.
@@JunoDiovonaDemihofto be fair that was a thing in democracies until a couple of centuries ago (although some may argue that the US prison labour system should fall under this definition as well). I understand (or hope) your comment was meant as a joke, but it is rather unfair to judge a society 2500 years ago by today’s standards
Hope to see more from her on here, not only would it be popular for obvious reasons id just love to see her talk more about womens roles and lives in history.
That was phenomenal! She was excellent. Classical antiquity is one of my favourite historical periods, but I learned a lot from this video that I didn't know before. I would love to see a video on Roman women as well - or in general any other videos with her here.
Just like the U.S., Greek culture had ideas that hold a lot of promise for equality and individual rights, even if the initial reality falls very short. You don't get the reality without the ideas.
It would be interesting to expand on this and do a deeper dive into women’s and men’s roles in each of the major ancient Greek city states. Whoever is the RUclips decency censor needs to understand that ancient paintings and cultures viewed the human body in a more positive way and not in a provincial way.
There was a huge exception to many of these, like women being educated having political power. Namely the hetairae. How a movie has not been made about the life of Aspasia I do not know.
Removing ALL (100%) creepiness is a big ask. A nice ambition, granted. But ultimately unobtainable. Cutting it back 75 - 90% though? Yeah, that's entirely reasonable. And in the name of equality, the women should feel free to state how they want to 'see more of' Dan Snow (or whoever) in both sense of the phrase.
@@undefeatedgaul3201 commenting on a video like this about how sexually attractive the presenter is isn't flattering or complimentary, and most women aren't jealous of that kind of attention. It's creepy, it's predatory, and it's a constant reminder that there's apparently nowhere online that they can go where men won't objectify, sexualize, and obsess over them in unhealthy and dangerous ways. Look, think whatever you want, feel however you feel, and be attracted to whomever you're attracted to. You're free to do that. Hell, you're even free to say whatever you want, subject to the platform's rules about hateful, threatening, or harassing speech. I'm just telling you that some speech, while you're free to make it, makes you look bad and is one of the reasons that 99.9% of women think you're creepy and avoid being anywhere near you whenever possible.
Η κοπέλα τα σπούδασε, λογικό δεν είναι να ξέρει περισσότερο από εμάς; Αν δε αρκούμασταν στις σχολικές μας γνώσεις ούτε που ήταν η αρχαία Αθήνα δεν θα ξέραμε
Pythia, the high priestess at the oracle of Delphi was probably the most powerful woman ever since the 8th century and up to the 3rd century BC. She was consulted by Greeks from every city and kingdom and even by barbarians. She was held in high esteem.
My favourite fact about theatre in Ancient Athens is that not only would men play female characters, but the men playing male characters would often wear visible phalluses as part of their costumes. Nothing funnier to the Ancient Athenians then poop jokes and prosthetic penises. Ancient people were not so different from us.
I love how ancient people made a bunch of phallic cave drawings. They drew so many phalluses, we found quite a few of them. They also are generally comically proportioned. It definitely is a window into their humanity.
What do you think of the similarities between the Iliad, the Mahabharata and possibly the Battle of Brávellir? How likely do you think it is that we're talking about variants of a proto-Indo-European epic? Edit: When talking about Spartan women, I think it's important to remember that 85%(?) of the population were helots with really no rights at all. The average woman living in Sparta was not a Spartiate.
Every time she said 'certainly,' I heard 'suddenly.' And this confused me. So I switched on closed captioning, which also interpreted that as 'suddenly.' So, apparently, closed captioning is also American.
A quirk of her accent - some 't' sounds sometimes (but not always) pronounced as 'd' sounds - eg ciddy (city), polidical (political), ridden (written).
So awesome to have a video about the ancient world that focuses on women. Especially with Greece and Rome where it’s usually all men’s posturing and wars!
The answer to the question about women drinking actually struck me as a bit odd. I was under the impression that there wasn’t a great deal of potable water in the ancient world, so it was actually safer to drink watered down wine. That said, you could still get drunk off of it, especially if it were not diluted. Maybe there were different standards for women, and maybe the pot was displaying someone who drank to excess.
@@tinylilbugs My (mostly uneducated) guess is that water difficulties were more common in semi-industrialized societies than in the ancient world. (Quite happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.)
Aristotle's wife was very knowledgeable of zoology and phytology. She may have contributed to Aristotle's writing of all his treatises on animals and plants!
14:20: What if say a wife living during the plague that took Pericles witnessed all her family perish? Her father, her husband and only her and her children survived for example? Would she inherit all the property?
In the Minoan civilization women had a more prominent role and social status, participating in city affairs, arts and social gatherings, great work overall !
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To be fair America was more or less the same when it was founded. You needed to be a land owner to vote, so most of the voters would be rich, white men.
Democracies only became like today in the early 20th century. In 1919 there were only 4 full democracies in the world. New Zealand, Norway, Denmark and Finland
Thank you for all the information! But, please, check some maps before saying “russian” step talking about Scythia as it has very little to do with modern russian territory
Yes and no. Gender equality and Parliamenterian democracies are historic curiocities. It doesn't mean that we, as westerners, are better, it means that our way of thinking prevailed because of our military, naval and technological might.
@@elisabethm9655 No, it's only "but one" if it lets itself be "but one". What do you do when someone else is willing to be violent to erase your ideas ? You either be more violent, or you have your ideas erased. That's how it has always worked, and is still working nowadays.
@ yes, indeed, but in most cases non western power which are powerful enough to negotiate equally with the western ones, generaly speaking, they don't care about we think as sacred and right. They tend to cling in their own world view. Only the weak ones try to catter in our world view so that they may gain access to our strong economies.
Please stop blurring out supposedly sensitive areas of classical paintings because of some warped sense of morality. The effect of this strange censorship is really rather sick and feels perverted.
Yeah, maybe women had “fun” at certain festivals or tasks in their roles in the temples, but wasn’t there always a (male) priest or priests that they still had to answer to?!! Women’s autonomy was ALWAYS very limited!!
Depends how you define democracy. The Athenians invented the term, so if they want to say it's "every property owning free man can vote an noone else", they weren't wrong at the time. The US founding fathers, incidentally, had the same definition of democracy! (I know what you mean, though!)
2:25 Yeah, Ok... Sappho was not writing anything about her love for an other woman. We literally have just a few sentences from her poems were there is nothing of such thing in them. She also killed herself because of her love for a man. The nonsense about loving other women started hundreds of years later from a Roman.
5:25: I’m assuming then that they did respect and value women back then. Just not exactly the way we find valuable. I think if they got power through procreation of their next gen of soldiers, then respect them they did.
Well, it's more once removed that could be overridden by their male children. I remember many years ago reading a theory that one of the reasons there are so many scary mothers in Greek plays is that the only power a woman could have was through her son. Don't know if it's true, but they made a compelling case.
Please invest in a pop filter or figure out some other way to tone down those sharp Ss. Would love to hear this lovely expert talk but my ears tickle from the Ss.
@catsandbats77 Even the Greeks did not consider Macedonia was part of Greece. While I understand some do consider Macedonia to be part of Greece, I believe there was a stronger argument for it not to be considered part of Greece.
They were allowed to compete at the Olympics so yes there were considered related to Southern Greeks although many of them thought of them as 'backwater'. The Macedonian royalty themselves claimed to be descendants of Herakles.
Women were highly esteemed in ancient Greece. Is it by accident that one of their great myths, the Trojan war, was based on Greeks organising an expedition of one thousand ships to bring back abducted Helen? Or that Odysseus's homesickness was based on his nostalgia for his wife Penelope?
That "esteem" was based entirely on her being Menalaus' property and having his property stolen being an insult to him. Helen is regularly reviled in Greek drama. So, sure, if being esteemed means being loved as much as a prize stallion, you can call it that..
@eastvandb In the Iliad, Helen speaks highly of the Greeks and of her husband from the walls of Troy. You do not organise an expedition involving so many Greek kingdoms, launching one thousand ships for a piece of property! The central character in the Iliad is beautiful Helen. The central character in the Odyssey is faithful Penelope. The heroisms in the Iliad and the homesickness in the Odyssey make no sense without the women.
@@DemetriosKongas I'm not saying the women aren't important, but you're making my point for me. What's Penelope famous for? Being faithful to her husband while he's gone for twenty years, screwing other women and having adventures. The women are important, but they are good or evil depending on their faithfulness to their masters. So, Helen speaks highly of the Greeks and her husband from the walls of Troy. So what? Look at how the women talk about Helen in The Trojan Women. She is despised, and that's very common in the literature. Your definition of "esteem" is… well, let's say I don't think it means what you think it means.
@@eastvandb Being faithful is a virtue, if you are in love. Odysseus, while in the company of Circe and Calypso, and despite of them being Goddesses, felt nostalgia for his wife and he opted to go back to her and die as a mortal. What a majestic attitude and stance on the part of Odysseus and of Penelope. This is the deep meaning of commitment. You honour your love by your commitment. Otherwise, you are an object of chance.
@@DemetriosKongas As a rule, there is a massive double standard when it comes to "being faithful", and it comes down to control. Nothing intrinsically wrong with monogamy when it's honest and earned, but the fact that this is a "virtue" often enforced by murder for women and mere scolding for men reveals what it's primarily about: controlling women.
Hellenes has no real connection to the name Helen. Two l's instead of one is significant. The name Hellenes for the Greeks came from an ancient (mythological ?) tribe of Epirus, what is now North Western Greece. Read some history please, and don't come up with your own ideas based on your imagination.
I am offended by blurred breasts on the paintings. Why are nipples so offensive to you? I realize you are British (enough said) but who really has a problem with this? Children are really in charge? The old ways of covering things up don't work, how is this not apparent to you in 2025?
We have tits on telly all the time. It's censored for RUclips and American audiences. RUclips, an American company, along with American sponsors, don't approve. Which makes sense considering who settled the United States and how they couldn't stand us Brits for dancing and other profane acts involving fun.
@@acdragonrider Money is more important than truth, this is what you say then? RUclips and this stupid shallow pathetic weak BS censorship culture needs to change or we will force it to change. No I've never heard of "demonetization" really for real? Give me a break children it's a nipple.
Would it be so hard to bring in a GREEK historian for these things? Yeah I know, radical approach (also using a man who wouldn't roll his eyes every time something was mentioned about Ancient Greece that doesn't agree with that's happening today would be nice). PS 1: Meanwhile Sappho was known, but an Icon? Far fetched to say the least, she's not even mentioned in most writings we still have of that time. PS 2: Greek women would be married before they reached 15, the reason is simple, stronger children and also due to the fact that back then people wouldn't even reach 35-40 in most cases. PS 3: The Amazons were as Mythological as Hercules/Heracles was (some say the Amazons came to be due to Hera, Aphrodite and Athena, as an offering of sorts). PS 4: Even women who worked (wasn't really considered work but small detail) weren't independent (there always was a man in charge, be that the father or the man of the house - depends on the situation). PS 5: Last I checked only women of powerful families and/or members of the ruling family could win Olympic prizes (and again, those were just a form of participation, nothing to do with actually winning a race). PS 7: Pythia in Delphi was high as a kite each time she made predictions (she was burning incense which some say was weed or other hallucinogenic plants).
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Please bring Ms Cargill-Martin back for more!
She's cute 😅
I was a lot more interested in what she was saying than how she looked.
@@MaazzzoHow about both? She’s EXTREMELY beautiful and also clearly knows her stuff. I want to read her book about Messalina at some point.
@@Maazzzo even better when we get both 😝
@@Maazzzo I am as well, but she is very cute and has a great voice.
Tip for the video editors: please, watch the video without earphones before exporting, every video on this channel has really low audio and trying to turn up the volume only lowers the audio quality. It's quite bad for people who prefer using speakers.
Not to mention once the innumerable ads start rolling it scares you half to death because the volume is suddenly so much louder🙉
Well pointed out
Seriously. It's trivial to turn the volume down a bit, but it's almost impossible to boost it if you are using a limited system (e.g. earphones at a noisy airport). Max volume on this video is barely passable in a normal quiet environment, there's no reason to not make it higher overall
the sssss is killing me
Very informative and enjoyable, though it’s quite silly to be blurring out old paintings.
youtube rules, they can leave it unblurred and then it gets demonatized
Take it up with RUclips.
@@Ghoulza even classic paintings? That’s unfortunate. :-(
Seriously. God forbid a kid without nipples sees a nipple!
Yes please, do most googled questions about ancient Roman women!
Very thematic for her too because her last book was about messalina!
Women in Athens not being able to leave their houses meanwhile Sappho is doing her Eras Tour all over Greece.
Sappho was also born on the island of Lesbos and the word 'sapphic' is derived from her name.
She's making roommates all around
Sappho lived between c. 630 and c. 570 BCE what's known about women from Athen is mostly from the times after Athen became a republic in 500 BCE. Different times, different rules.
Married women and daughters at most times in history had to stay at home and did not had much - official - influence. But there have always been women who could travel around, but mostly this women weren't well respected.
@@modest_spice6083hehehehe this made me chuckle, thank you
I could listen to Dr. HCM talk about this stuff all day long.
Speaking of the Oracle of Delphi, I heard that the Pythia inspired Solon to enact the first democracy in Athens. That High Priestess probably had no idea that she was helping to change the development of humanity.
Great video, the historian sounds really passionate and I did learn a bit how Athens is not such a nice place as you might believe :L
compared to modern standards no but Athenian democracy definetly was uniqe innovation in it's time. Especially in the Western hemisphere. It set a precedent that society doesn't need to be ruled by kings, despots or semi-divine potentates adn that government should finally be in the control of voters and citizens.
Plato and Socrates loathed the idea tho, and claimed the majority simply lacks the knowledge to do so, which is probably why John Dewey highlighted the role of education in a functioning democracy. At least they had a safeguard of exiling demagogues and populists that appeal to the masses, Ostracism.
@@maxion5109
Oh yes Athenian democracy😂...
"all men should be free" "but who will plow the fields?"
"the slaves of course"😂
@@JunoDiovonaDemihofto be fair that was a thing in democracies until a couple of centuries ago (although some may argue that the US prison labour system should fall under this definition as well). I understand (or hope) your comment was meant as a joke, but it is rather unfair to judge a society 2500 years ago by today’s standards
Not another pointless politicsl argument on youtube please.
@ I just wanted to be supportive of the video and show i learned something ;-;
I'd love to see her and Ditch Guy have a fun chat about Ancient Greece lol.
lol???
Hope to see more from her on here, not only would it be popular for obvious reasons id just love to see her talk more about womens roles and lives in history.
I could never get over a society named after a Goddess (a badass female) disenfranchised women so freely! Cognitive dissonance fr.
Great knowledge :)
Honor's name is wrong in the description
Edit: thanks for fixing it.
I thought I heard "Honor." Captions had it as "Anna."
@@georgemetcalf8763 yeah the autocraptions are the worst, I wasn't sure what her name was.
That was phenomenal! She was excellent.
Classical antiquity is one of my favourite historical periods, but I learned a lot from this video that I didn't know before. I would love to see a video on Roman women as well - or in general any other videos with her here.
I felt that "that's it?" at the end..
Great video! Amazing work by the expert
Great guest, please bring her back
This was very interesting. I would watch one on Roman women
More of her please!
Just like the U.S., Greek culture had ideas that hold a lot of promise for equality and individual rights, even if the initial reality falls very short. You don't get the reality without the ideas.
What’s her skin care routine
Being born pretty and having no life stresses due to posh background, lol.
Just being young?
@@AmyThePuddytatthat’s a wild assumption to make…sounds like jealousy
I am very interested in the video on ancient roman women!
Great content, thank you.
Love you, History Hit, but are we seriously blurring out the willies? Is that a RUclips thing?
You can look them up on your own if you need it that bad
@ngonzales3781 Well done, big man. You're very funny.
Yeah its a RUclips thing
Sad that RUclips forces channels to censor art.
Could also be a school educational content thing. You know rated G vs R.
It would be interesting to expand on this and do a deeper dive into women’s and men’s roles in each of the major ancient Greek city states.
Whoever is the RUclips decency censor needs to understand that ancient paintings and cultures viewed the human body in a more positive way and not in a provincial way.
Great video! I did't care one bit for the blurring of old art work, though.
They probably don't want to, but if they don't, RUclips might (probably would) take the video down.
@@_sjoe Is RUclips really that backward? Silly question, my bad...
There was a huge exception to many of these, like women being educated having political power. Namely the hetairae. How a movie has not been made about the life of Aspasia I do not know.
Great video! 💜 Looking forward to the one about Roman women!
I am gonna need the men in these comments to be 100% less creepy. Great video, doc! I love your TikTok content and glad to see you on YT
Removing ALL (100%) creepiness is a big ask. A nice ambition, granted. But ultimately unobtainable.
Cutting it back 75 - 90% though? Yeah, that's entirely reasonable.
And in the name of equality, the women should feel free to state how they want to 'see more of' Dan Snow (or whoever) in both sense of the phrase.
Sad being jealous because you get no attention
@@undefeatedgaul3201 did you see her pfp? She's definitely getting more attention than you, mate 😂😂
@@undefeatedgaul3201 commenting on a video like this about how sexually attractive the presenter is isn't flattering or complimentary, and most women aren't jealous of that kind of attention. It's creepy, it's predatory, and it's a constant reminder that there's apparently nowhere online that they can go where men won't objectify, sexualize, and obsess over them in unhealthy and dangerous ways.
Look, think whatever you want, feel however you feel, and be attracted to whomever you're attracted to. You're free to do that. Hell, you're even free to say whatever you want, subject to the platform's rules about hateful, threatening, or harassing speech. I'm just telling you that some speech, while you're free to make it, makes you look bad and is one of the reasons that 99.9% of women think you're creepy and avoid being anywhere near you whenever possible.
Would love an episode on Roman women
It's really interesting!!! 😆😆
The real tl;dr: can women do literally anything? Not in Athens, baby.
0:37 Hey History Hut, did we really need to 'blur out' those parts?
It's the RUclips rules.
Do you really need to see ancient jar boobs in an educational video?
So weird to see non Greeks know more than I do about my country 😂🤷🏻♀️
Η κοπέλα τα σπούδασε, λογικό δεν είναι να ξέρει περισσότερο από εμάς; Αν δε αρκούμασταν στις σχολικές μας γνώσεις ούτε που ήταν η αρχαία Αθήνα δεν θα ξέραμε
People tend to be more fascinated with the things they are not familiar with, and tend to want to learn more about them.
So apparently Gerard Butler empowering Cersei is historically accurate.
Pythia, the high priestess at the oracle of Delphi was probably the most powerful woman ever since the 8th century and up to the 3rd century BC.
She was consulted by Greeks from every city and kingdom and even by barbarians.
She was held in high esteem.
now i have a big crush on a historian 💥
“This is such an interesting question”
Fun drinking game. Take a shot every time she says "that's an interesting question." 😂
My favourite fact about theatre in Ancient Athens is that not only would men play female characters, but the men playing male characters would often wear visible phalluses as part of their costumes. Nothing funnier to the Ancient Athenians then poop jokes and prosthetic penises. Ancient people were not so different from us.
I love how ancient people made a bunch of phallic cave drawings. They drew so many phalluses, we found quite a few of them. They also are generally comically proportioned. It definitely is a window into their humanity.
What do you think of the similarities between the Iliad, the Mahabharata and possibly the Battle of Brávellir? How likely do you think it is that we're talking about variants of a proto-Indo-European epic?
Edit: When talking about Spartan women, I think it's important to remember that 85%(?) of the population were helots with really no rights at all. The average woman living in Sparta was not a Spartiate.
Every time she said 'certainly,' I heard 'suddenly.' And this confused me. So I switched on closed captioning, which also interpreted that as 'suddenly.' So, apparently, closed captioning is also American.
A quirk of her accent - some 't' sounds sometimes (but not always) pronounced as 'd' sounds - eg ciddy (city), polidical (political), ridden (written).
So awesome to have a video about the ancient world that focuses on women. Especially with Greece and Rome where it’s usually all men’s posturing and wars!
The answer to the question about women drinking actually struck me as a bit odd. I was under the impression that there wasn’t a great deal of potable water in the ancient world, so it was actually safer to drink watered down wine. That said, you could still get drunk off of it, especially if it were not diluted. Maybe there were different standards for women, and maybe the pot was displaying someone who drank to excess.
the idea that people couldn't find clean water so everyone was drinking some kind of alcohol is a common myth
@@tinylilbugs
My (mostly uneducated) guess is that water difficulties were more common in semi-industrialized societies than in the ancient world.
(Quite happy to be corrected if I'm wrong.)
I'm also interested what is the most worst and wittiest response she had to her name?
Aristotle's wife was very knowledgeable of zoology and phytology. She may have contributed to Aristotle's writing of all his treatises on animals and plants!
Women participated extensively in various public festivities in ancient Greek cities.
Thesmophoria was a festivity exclusively for women.
The most beautiful historian!
14:20: What if say a wife living during the plague that took Pericles witnessed all her family perish? Her father, her husband and only her and her children survived for example? Would she inherit all the property?
In the Minoan civilization women had a more prominent role and social status, participating in city affairs, arts and social gatherings, great work overall !
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To be fair America was more or less the same when it was founded. You needed to be a land owner to vote, so most of the voters would be rich, white men.
Are jewish people white people?
Democracies only became like today in the early 20th century. In 1919 there were only 4 full democracies in the world. New Zealand, Norway, Denmark and Finland
Democracies are peculiarities in the historic scale
Also to be fair Athens was the greatest of the Ancient Greek cities.
Wine was diluted with water to make it safe for all.meaning the water
Did the Spartans respect women? I don't know, but I have thoughts about some people in the comment section.
Obviously some Greek women could read , as Sappho WROTE poetry. Sappho was roughly 630-570 bc... not later at all.
The name of the historian is Honor Cargill-Martin, not Conor.
Thank you for all the information! But, please, check some maps before saying “russian” step talking about Scythia as it has very little to do with modern russian territory
So… is she saying there wasn’t an oracle of Delphi? She said there wasn’t and then said there was, I’m confused lol
The Oracle of Delphi existed, she just wasn't doing drugs.
@ thank you 😊
You guys are competing with insider, wired, gq on these experts answer react thing. Who wins? We are, we get to enjoy these. I forget, gamology.
Really skirted the Greeks doing drugs topic. Guess they didn't want any age restrictions affecting their numbers
Metatron knows your location...
Oh boy, I’m going to get my popcorn ready for Metatron’s reaction video to this video.
On second thought, better make it pasta.
I thought the same thing
@@CAP198462 Is metatron EVEN a history expert?! LOL 😅.
she is captivating
What’s most remarkable are the parallels that can be drawn to the place of women today in Taliban society.
Yes and no. Gender equality and Parliamenterian democracies are historic curiocities. It doesn't mean that we, as westerners, are better, it means that our way of thinking prevailed because of our military, naval and technological might.
@@TeutonicEmperor1198
There are multiple centers of power in any society. Physical force is but one.
@@elisabethm9655 No, it's only "but one" if it lets itself be "but one". What do you do when someone else is willing to be violent to erase your ideas ? You either be more violent, or you have your ideas erased. That's how it has always worked, and is still working nowadays.
Pederasty is also extremely prevalent in Afghanistan like it was in Greece.
@ yes, indeed, but in most cases non western power which are powerful enough to negotiate equally with the western ones, generaly speaking, they don't care about we think as sacred and right. They tend to cling in their own world view. Only the weak ones try to catter in our world view so that they may gain access to our strong economies.
I would like to see more of her
Procreation should be pronounced as 'pro-creation', not 'proc-reation'.
Lovely lady who is appropraite to talk about this subject!
Please stop blurring out supposedly sensitive areas of classical paintings because of some warped sense of morality. The effect of this strange censorship is really rather sick and feels perverted.
That's RUclips's policies for you. Not doing it risks demonetizing or worse.
Ancient Greek would've joined the confederation of Canada if they were around today!
I could write an Odyssey for Dr Cargill Martin!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW
Helen of Troy has some serious competition!
Yeah, maybe women had “fun” at certain festivals or tasks in their roles in the temples, but wasn’t there always a (male) priest or priests that they still had to answer to?!! Women’s autonomy was ALWAYS very limited!!
That's by nature's design
So Athens, the birthplace of democracy, was not actually as democratic as Sparta. Huh.
Depends how you define democracy. The Athenians invented the term, so if they want to say it's "every property owning free man can vote an noone else", they weren't wrong at the time. The US founding fathers, incidentally, had the same definition of democracy!
(I know what you mean, though!)
Kynisca - the original girlboss.
2:25 Yeah, Ok...
Sappho was not writing anything about her love for an other woman.
We literally have just a few sentences from her poems were there is nothing of such thing in them.
She also killed herself because of her love for a man.
The nonsense about loving other women started hundreds of years later from a Roman.
Now we just wait for Metatron to make another video claiming he knows more than an expert about antiquity.
I love this video by the way!
@@mattiasbrunzell8957 Does metatron EVEN have a history degree?! LOL 😂.
5:25: I’m assuming then that they did respect and value women back then. Just not exactly the way we find valuable. I think if they got power through procreation of their next gen of soldiers, then respect them they did.
Well, it's more once removed that could be overridden by their male children.
I remember many years ago reading a theory that one of the reasons there are so many scary mothers in Greek plays is that the only power a woman could have was through her son.
Don't know if it's true, but they made a compelling case.
Please invest in a pop filter or figure out some other way to tone down those sharp Ss. Would love to hear this lovely expert talk but my ears tickle from the Ss.
Was Macedonia part of Greece? 😮😮😮
Macedonia is still a part of Greece. It's different than the Macedonia that used to be part of Yugoslavia.
@catsandbats77 Even the Greeks did not consider Macedonia was part of Greece. While I understand some do consider Macedonia to be part of Greece, I believe there was a stronger argument for it not to be considered part of Greece.
They were allowed to compete at the Olympics so yes there were considered related to Southern Greeks although many of them thought of them as 'backwater'. The Macedonian royalty themselves claimed to be descendants of Herakles.
A few women could vote via proxy through their dead partner's estate.
Good god this is the most gorgeous historian ever. Suddenly I'm interested in history now.
This woman knows stuff about dead women 👀
Women were highly esteemed in ancient Greece. Is it by accident that one of their great myths, the Trojan war, was based on Greeks organising an expedition of one thousand ships to bring back abducted Helen? Or that Odysseus's homesickness was based on his nostalgia for his wife Penelope?
That "esteem" was based entirely on her being Menalaus' property and having his property stolen being an insult to him. Helen is regularly reviled in Greek drama.
So, sure, if being esteemed means being loved as much as a prize stallion, you can call it that..
@eastvandb In the Iliad, Helen speaks highly of the Greeks and of her husband from the walls of Troy.
You do not organise an expedition involving so many Greek kingdoms, launching one thousand ships for a piece of property!
The central character in the Iliad is beautiful Helen. The central character in the Odyssey is faithful Penelope. The heroisms in the Iliad and the homesickness in the Odyssey make no sense without the women.
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I'm not saying the women aren't important, but you're making my point for me.
What's Penelope famous for? Being faithful to her husband while he's gone for twenty years, screwing other women and having adventures.
The women are important, but they are good or evil depending on their faithfulness to their masters.
So, Helen speaks highly of the Greeks and her husband from the walls of Troy. So what?
Look at how the women talk about Helen in The Trojan Women. She is despised, and that's very common in the literature.
Your definition of "esteem" is… well, let's say I don't think it means what you think it means.
@@eastvandb Being faithful is a virtue, if you are in love. Odysseus, while in the company of Circe and Calypso, and despite of them being Goddesses, felt nostalgia for his wife and he opted to go back to her and die as a mortal. What a majestic attitude and stance on the part of Odysseus and of Penelope.
This is the deep meaning of commitment. You honour your love by your commitment. Otherwise, you are an object of chance.
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As a rule, there is a massive double standard when it comes to "being faithful", and it comes down to control.
Nothing intrinsically wrong with monogamy when it's honest and earned, but the fact that this is a "virtue" often enforced by murder for women and mere scolding for men reveals what it's primarily about: controlling women.
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Still rather live in Athens than Sparta in the day
I love her accent. As a Texan, we love a good accent. ❤
Fellow Texans here
"Ya'll"
Thats it, that's the comment.
@@chimchim2_ Y’all
@@jamesh1641 Cowboys or Texans?
Ancient Athens sounds shit
Unless you were a land-owning man.
The Greeks also call themselves the hellenes, a derivation from Helen. Remember the Hellenistic world?
Hellenes has no real connection to the name Helen. Two l's instead of one is significant. The name Hellenes for the Greeks came from an ancient (mythological ?) tribe of Epirus, what is now North Western Greece. Read some history please, and don't come up with your own ideas based on your imagination.
I haven’t watched the video yet but you are exactly how I pictured Bella Swan when I read the twilight book before the movies came out
MORE CRUSADE DOCS, DEUS VULT!
She’s pretty
She’s smart
She likes/knows ancient history
Wow 😍
Amazons were NOT Greek, to be clear.
I am offended by blurred breasts on the paintings. Why are nipples so offensive to you? I realize you are British (enough said) but who really has a problem with this? Children are really in charge? The old ways of covering things up don't work, how is this not apparent to you in 2025?
RUclips has rules because apparently children of Muslim parents will go blind if they see a breast or two... religion, not getting any better either😂
We have tits on telly all the time. It's censored for RUclips and American audiences. RUclips, an American company, along with American sponsors, don't approve. Which makes sense considering who settled the United States and how they couldn't stand us Brits for dancing and other profane acts involving fun.
Sorry but have you not heard of demonetization ?
Seeing as how it's 2025, you should know by now how RUclips works re: demonetization.
@@acdragonrider Money is more important than truth, this is what you say then? RUclips and this stupid shallow pathetic weak BS censorship culture needs to change or we will force it to change. No I've never heard of "demonetization" really for real? Give me a break children it's a nipple.
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Women held a lot of power in ancient Greece as priestesses. Is it by accident that there were six goddesses and six gods in the Greek Pantheon?.
Interesting content, but a tough watch with the stupid sound effects.
I have no issue with the sfx
Wonderful content, but how not to be futile and avoid to pay attention at this marvelous skin of hers?
New information aside, is it weird I was more hypnotized by her wrists and hands the whole video?
Yes..
The Dr is so beautiful 🤩🔥
posh London accent
Would it be so hard to bring in a GREEK historian for these things? Yeah I know, radical approach (also using a man who wouldn't roll his eyes every time something was mentioned about Ancient Greece that doesn't agree with that's happening today would be nice).
PS 1: Meanwhile Sappho was known, but an Icon? Far fetched to say the least, she's not even mentioned in most writings we still have of that time.
PS 2: Greek women would be married before they reached 15, the reason is simple, stronger children and also due to the fact that back then people wouldn't even reach 35-40 in most cases.
PS 3: The Amazons were as Mythological as Hercules/Heracles was (some say the Amazons came to be due to Hera, Aphrodite and Athena, as an offering of sorts).
PS 4: Even women who worked (wasn't really considered work but small detail) weren't independent (there always was a man in charge, be that the father or the man of the house - depends on the situation).
PS 5: Last I checked only women of powerful families and/or members of the ruling family could win Olympic prizes (and again, those were just a form of participation, nothing to do with actually winning a race).
PS 7: Pythia in Delphi was high as a kite each time she made predictions (she was burning incense which some say was weed or other hallucinogenic plants).
Greek channels can go ahead and make their own videos. Duh.
@anonymous-hz2un this video is about Greece, you want to speak about my country, do it properly.
@@Mythos1981 ok, Ahmed.