honestly i can see how they're both not wrong? one side prioritizes honesty & sincerity while the other prioritizes talent & flawlessness. be perfect to be someone the audience can look up to or be imperfect to be someone the audience can connect with. i think both are great ways to attract fans tbh
@@youredumb2992 Theyre not saying they aren’t sincere, it’s just the emphasis. Most Japanese idols are debuted with little to no training because the improvement process and relatability are the most important factors for them. Idols in japan are more entertainers who can sing and dance while idols in Korea are more singers and dancers who can entertain if that makes sense. The Japanese idol industry is also not as unified as Korea where you can see the pattern of how much a group should train. There are other Japanese idol groups that dance and sing really well and then there are groups like AK that focus more on the fan service part.
No, the J-contestant in Produce48 only performed simple dance saying its J-Pop idol concept. what the heck!!! Their Senpais back then could performed far more sophisticated dances and I would say they could shine with their own charm rivaling to K-Pop. Early AKB48 also had some subunit functioning as girlbands such as NO3B/No Sleeves, 'Not-Yet', Team Dragon, and many more. IDK why those trainees performed like that, may be it was scripted. For example Look at Nako, she performed a stupid Banana song when her ability was actually far greater than that so she got assigned to class F, later in Class F she showed an 'A' class ability, thus she was transferred to class A. Another case, Hitomi performed Korean song then assigned to class C, proving her dance ability as 'A', then she trained her vocal for a while then transferred to class A. What is this? A drama? A Propaganda? Marketing Scheme?
Very interesting and enlightening. As someone who lived 25 years in Korea and 10 years in Japan, the cultural differences are clear and well presented here. Westerners have some cockeyed idea that Japan and Korea are very similar culturally but that is an opinion based on ignorance. They are very different cultures even though, far back, they come from the same roots. Thank you for uploading this.
@やった😎 Yes, well, I'm sometimes reluctant to tell people how much I enjoy the youth cultures of Japan and Korea. I am getting older but following these artists reminds me of my youth and the enjoyable life I lived in the far east of Asia. Best wishes to you.
@やった😎 Koreans suffered a great deal under the Japanese occupation from 1910 to 1945. The stories from those days are horrific. That occupation played a very significant role in the division of Korea into North and South, as well. Finally, I find that many Japanese feel they are superior to Koreans and don't even bother trying to hide it.
@sash587 that’s just the Japanese though because the youth could careless about history. Korea is a very prideful country. Even though they are hypocrites and use Japanese things/culture, the resentment is still rooted in their youth because of the politics and history between Korea and Japan. I have Korean friends who refuse to use Japanese brands or talk about Japanese things. It’s ridiculous but I can understand why they feel the way they do. I’m sure it’s easier for the Japanese to forget because they weren’t the ones who suffered horrifically.
I think a balance between the both cultural approaches it's what makes the perfect girl group, that's why I love Twice and NiziU, because both groups were formed showing the growth of the memebers, later perfecting them but withouth loosing their joy, personalities and vulnerability, in my opinion that's the winning formula to blend these two amazing countries. I love Korea and Japan and I love when something blends both togetherm always results in something great, without going any further idol culture started in Japan and then was adopted by Korea and perfected, so I really think Jpop is a lot more similar that what they actually adress to Kpop and is a whole world outside AKB48, is just that Jpop is not exported because they don't need it, Japan is the 2nd biggest music market just behind the USA and yes, Japan LOVES Kpop, but Kpop NEEDS Japan.
I disagree with the “ Kpop needs Japan “ bit. If anything 1st-3rd generation have proved the complete opposite one thing kpop groups are good at is finding a way to sustain and establish a fanbase whether it’s domestically, globally, or in select countries. Groups right out of debut are trained enough in all criteria to cater to multiple audiences instead of a select niche I think that was a heavy difference between the k trainees and japanese trainees. Like you said Japan doesn’t necessarily need to export much so no wonder those girls were experiencing so much cultural shock outside their domestic idol life
The show somehow became an eye opener from the 48group. Look at akb48 now with their recent releases after produce48. They got so much synchronized + very good songs. If another produce48 will be held, they will eat the other trainees up. To those who don't know Chiba Erii a contestant from produce48 is now akb48's 60th single center.
The difference is that all three of them are not in AKB. It's really not japan's culture that's the problem. It was only a problem here because the akb training system and standards are nonexistent, and they're the blueprint for other Japanese idol groups. However, companies like Hikaru's were essentially trying to make the Japanese version of a kpop group and even trained her to speak korean, so they focused on recruiting better trainees and trained them harder
@@saindex8390 it's not like Avex is adapting kpop system at all, they have had pop dance stars since the 90s who can sing and dance pretty well, so it's not surprising their trainees be well trained.
I honestly somewhat understand what those who have debuted way back then were feeling at that time, they've been in the entertainment and performance industry for so long now but in the Korean standard, it's almost like they have nothing to show for it if that makes sense.
Interestingly enough, AKB48 is the group that changed the idol culture into prioritizing only fanservice. Before AKB48 monopolized the industry, idols could sing and dance! Seiko Matsuda, Nakamori Akina, Goto Maki, Tanaka Reina, Takahashi Ai, Suzuki Airi, Matsuura Aya, the list goes on. All these J-idol legends could outsing K-pop main vocalists.
Exactly! This is what pisses me off in the statements. There are so many jpop groups that take singing and dancing seriously . Not all jpop group operates like 48 and it’s a bit frustrating they’re being lumped together.
@@pattamonsinthuvanichsate343 agree, i prefer j-singer tho, but i know some group that had a really good singer, yet in jpop or jsinger nobody rank their voice based on how range is their voice or how high they can hit high note
@@mirroruniverse9331 its not an idol but hey say jump, kalafina and claris is one of my fav. group, if its band type or 2 person band i'd say supercell, bless4, fhana
I can see why Sakura left HKT48 to join HYBE she was growing up into an adult and wanted to be taken seriously. All girls who left AKB48 wanted to grow their careers for themselves and not be a target for tbh a demographic that has VERY questionable "people". Also the politics on females in general in Japan is misogynistic and they want all Japanese women to be submissive and it's HEAVILY fetishized since idol girls start literally at 10.......these girls do gravure shoots .......and it’s literally dark entertainment
Sakura isn't that hot. Idk why so many korean peoples likes her.. and also her facial surgery is one of the worse that i've ever seen.. she looks better in HKT with her round face and funny nose
I remember watching the akb0048 anime all those years ago and thinking all those things weren't serious, just fanservice that they added since it's just 2d girls, but I noticed that they really do some questionable things IRL... And a lot of them are young??
From someone who's been following Jpop idols for a while now, it's so so different, but in a weird sense, sometimes not dancing perfectly and not even being able to sing really well, benefits on the idols mental health, in Japan is more about being able to cheer up everyone and share songs together, whereas Kpop is strict and harsh, with the reward of probably being world famous
As a jpop follower, i don't want them to lose their rarity amongst the idol industry. I found kpop to be perfectionist but full of flaws inside. I mean Jpop is still striving eventhough without having much talent in dancing. I don't want them to pressure themselves, just to fit in the shitty and narcissist kpop culture. I just hate kpop eventhough I also like them before, it's been 4 years already I love jpop more than anyone. I don't want to repeat this kind of show for giving a korean show, using Jpop as freeloader viewing. Fnck you korean Pd, i hate you all fncking koreans
@@PirikanChan I think im on a place where i don't glamourize either, kpop is strict and opressive, but at the same time Jpop idols have to deal with crazy fans, a lot of local competition and lack of recognition and favoritism, specially to the more popular members. This said, the treatment of jpop idols on kpop sucks at best, and by far i feel like Koreans producers only hire Japanese idols to expand their market in Japan
@@kimnamjoon3943 nah that's already done, and the shaved girl you've mentioned is already a former-idol. Please leave her alone, she also got a mistakes so need to shaved her hair for forgiveness. I know that's a huge news before but it's now forgotten by anyone, Akb48 is not popular atm, so her being mentioned is invalid. While Kpop in regards, they had a lot issues to deal with, fans, their mental health, there's a lot to mention esp with their idol life as well. While in Jpop, you rarely will see those kind of news because they're not into press media exposure, they will only do that if there's a huge reason to exposed it. There's a lot of pros and cons between two cultures, but all I can say is. Fuck Kpop. But yeah that's right fuck capitalism
Tbh on GP999 I feel like they were forcing J and C group to be more “Koreanized” since that was a little bit of the point of the show 🤔 🧐 it took elements from both female seasons and a bit of their own things but it was also a joke 😔 and basically the 3rd female season of produce
I feel like it's mostly because GP999 contestants weren't in AKB48 - they weren't idols beforehand so they had to train and show their true potencial. They also knew what a korean show was looking for
The thing is, at least they have their visuals. Jpop artists have no talent or visuals to cover for it. Jpop artists look like hags next to Kpop idols. The thing that surprised me the most when I was watching pd48 was the staggering difference in visual levels between the Koreans and the Japanese. Only Sakura can compete wth Korean visuals
@@mysticravenclaw1426 I do but I’m not gonna say any cuz I’m not about to trigger people and it’s not really about them as much as it is about these judges claiming what the Kpop industry standards are vs what they actually are
Both philosophies are right, idols should strive to improve their skills but also show that they enjoy being on stage because that makes fans enjoy performances as well. Some idols feel almost robotic on stage and literally only stare into the camera and as a fan I just wonder what the heck am I supposed to be feeling?? They may be such good singers and dancers but if they don't evoke emotion from fans then all that talent and skill kinda becomes meaningless. But then, only focusing and enjoying a performance and neglecting skill can make an idol group feel very amateur and people may doubt why someone is an idol if they can't sing or dance. So always working to improve on their singing and dancing skill builds a professional image and fans trust the idols. I believe both cultures can learn from each other and inspire each other.
Kpop has plenty of emotions in their performances. The idea that being a skilled performer takes away from that is an actual asinine take. They stare into the camera, so you can't feel emotions anymore? What kind of logic is that? I'd say it's the opposite, because the effort that it takes to becoming a competent performer will breed stronger emotions. And the member count is another thing. How are you suppose to convince me that a hundred girls that dresses and acts the same way somehow evokes more emotions then a group of 5 girls that all have their unique roles and are dressed individually? I'd say these 48 groups are the ones that feel robotic if anything.
That’s why kpop is so famous around the world.. they work their ass off… just because I believe not everyone can be a performer.. they need to earn their spot just like everyone else.. not saying the Japanese girls are bad.. just saying that KPOP isn’t worldwide famous for nothing…
Kpop had to expand to a worldwide market since south korea is a small music market. Japan does not need to go worldwide, its also why kpop idols try the japan market.
I'm gonna have to disagree w you here. Those in the Jpop industry also work their asses off.. its just the training and expectations are different. And while Korea is willing to open and expand business outside Korea - they make everything accessible via online on ytb and kpop idols touring outside of Asia. Japan doesn't really have that same model. Back in the day jpop mvs would be cut short on ytb to kinda force u to buy cds and invest in merch stuff. They don't promote as hard in my opinion depending on the company but some are still really well known and famous outside of Korea.
Yeah but marketing role plays a huge difference. Korea always pursue to market their idols internationally. While I can't even watch Japanese idols content because they restricted it for Japan only.
Technically jpop don't need to expand internationally, japanese market is the second highest next to america. So they don't need to expand, and today is they want to expand because they realize that jpop and japanese culture is also a think outside japan. And did you know that almost all japanese content like in yt is exclusively to japanese only. Its hard to find jp contents by an ingernational community.
No no no, I was also taken aback why they performed like that as the preliminaries round. I think the "difference" was just and an excuse or propaganda. J-Standard is very diverse, even if its like "Cute" like they said but there are still more of them. The problem is that AKB48 was originally theatrical based group, performing like that is suicidal (could only give them "E" or "F"). for example Nako-Miku performed Banana Song. The heck- Oh My God., Produce48 wanted to make Iz*One not SOUL48 so they should perform non-theatrical based choreo. Mako team, Hitomi team, Noe team, Miyu team didn't perform AKB48 song and Jurina and Sakura changed/adjusted/modified from 48G choreo. Thus they could got "D" until "A". Just For reference as an example they could've performed song/choreo like NO3B/No Sleeves-Title "Kirigirisu Jin". or from 'Not-Yet'-title : "Shumatsu Not Yet". Both NO3B and Not Yet were AKB48 subunit functioned as girl-bands, they had a great enjoyable choreo. Kigirisu Jin by No3B : ruclips.net/video/sMFFg55ZbLQ/видео.html Songs by Not-Yet : ruclips.net/video/Qmt1XvtLdSU/видео.html ; ruclips.net/video/TrId6iKDJ8s/видео.html ; ruclips.net/video/ZAaMMs7Yf8Q/видео.html If they wanted to be extreme they could performed J-boyband with masculine dance. (eg. ARASHI and others).
Exactly. AKB48’s standard was/is cute. But if you look at other JPop groups, Faky, BananaLemon, E-Girls you will see there’s an emphasis on performance in J-Pop too. Their whole portrayal of Japanese performers was problematic.
@@AnABSOLUTEBarbarian exactly. they portrayed jpop as a whole as something that wasn't taken seriously and were all just about fanservice instead of talent, but most of the akb48 girls were just talking about the supergroup that they were specifically in. they turned it into a culture thing so it led to the problematic stereotype in girls planet 999 that the japanese trainees to be seen as just cute.
@@AnABSOLUTEBarbarian if you know how 48g works, you wouldn’t even dare compare them to other groups… faky for example is under one management only and that is avex. They train just like how kpop groups train while 48g members are under different agencies. Jpop is just a big genre and idol is under that big umbrella my friend… thats how big the industry is and idols are common way of earning a name, a stepping stone for them to be somewhere higher and that is to be an actress or solo singer.
If I stood there like those girls, I'd be so nervous. I have so much respect for the girls. I feel so sad for them. Where I come from it is also more important that you can see that the artist is having fun and enjoys doing what he or she is doing on stage like singing and dancing!! Of course they have to be able to sing well, but the entertainment and that you can see that they enjoy doing what they do is more important than the dancing. And the looks are also less important than the talent and the entertainment! Don't give up your dreams If it doesn't work try it somewhere else!
이분법적인 논지의 댓글들이 많네요. 한국도 당연히 춤 실력이나 연습만큼 재능과 끼룰 우선시합니다. 한동안 한국 최고의 걸그룹이었던 Twice도 퍼포먼스나 라이브 실력이 최고는 아니었던 것처럼요. 한국도 매력이 아이돌계에서 최고 덕목입니다. 한국 아이돌들은 그러한 매력을 무대에서 보여줄 수 있는 능력이 뛰어납니다. 다양하고 매력적인 표정 연기나 칼군무 또는 압도적인 댄스 퍼포먼스, 엄청난 음색과 노래 실력으로 말입니다. 하지만 일본 아이돌은 그러한 매력을 무대에서 보여주는 능력이 굉장히 부족했습니다. 그런 연습을 거의 못 했기 때문이지요. 그렇기때문에 대부분의 일본 아이돌은 일본에서 아티스트로 대우받지 못하고 있습니다. 일본으로 돌아온 혼다 히토미가 자신감을 얻고 변한 모습, 한국에서 아이돌 활동을 열심히 하는 쥬리와 사쿠라의 모습은 저 트레이너들이 말한 문화차이의 의미를 명백하게 보여줍니다. 일본 사회가 일본 아이돌에게 원하는 이미지와 한국 사회가 한국 아이돌에게 원하는 이미지가 얼마나 다른지를요. 일본은 반짝반짝 빛나는 다이아몬드 반지를 원하지만 한국은 반짝반짝 빛나는 스타를 원합니다.
If they want to debut as a Kpop group, they should have the skills that the Korean audience want to back them up with. This isn’t charity work. Why want something you’re not qualified for, then cry about it when you don’t get it? What about the million other trainees in Korea who have actually put in all the effort to become that good in what they do? This isn’t about cultural differences. This is about qualification and expectation differences. Exhibit A: the Japanese trainees that acknowledged their shortcomings and worked their asses off to debut, such as Sakura, Nako, and Hitomi (and the other trainees who debuted outside of izone like Juri)
This might come across as an aggressively hot take but I feel like the entire concept of PD48 was just a huge fap session for MNET and the Kpop industry as a whole. Heaven knows how rocky the relationship is between SK and Japan, so the fact SK was able to popularize their music industry with rigorous training and perfectionism is enough to want to rub it in Japan’s face. Clearly there’s a cultural difference between the two nations, so the fact that these poor Japanese girls were framed as talentless crybabies who compare themselves to the superior Kpop training system in the beginning kind of rubs me the wrong way. I love Kpop and used to love jpop so seeing both sides makes me look at the show in a different light than I would if I was biased to one country’s pop industry. I just know I’m boutta get flamed for this comment but y’all cannot tell me this show didn’t scream extreme nationalism 😭
@@Orvvv200 Don’t even get me started on the rigging…Cause everybody and they mama knows Sakura ate up those votes…But a Japanese center?? MNET wasn’t trynna hear it
Really? I don’t think so. And I’m a fan of jrock. Watch Chinese tv shows for reference, I think I’ll categorize THOSE as nationalistic. Mnet is rigggy af but the judges feel like fairly nice ppl and were pretty sympathetic to it being a cultural difference. They could just simply cut out that part and not even mention it but this clip portrays it as the girls not being bad, just different
@@GazeRUKI4eva Yea, I’m not referring to the judges. I’m talking about the editors (who manipulated and omitted context to deceive the audience, aka “evil editing”) and the producers (who rigged the shit from the start). You can tell even the judges were shocked by the final line up. They innocent
한국아이돌은 실력, 외모 그리고 매력을 다 중요시하는것 같아요! 이 세가지가 갖춰져야 아이돌을 할수 있다고 생각하는것 같습니다ㅎㅎ 아무리 귀여워도 실력이 없으면 스타가 되는데에 한계가 있거든요... 예를들어 아리아나 그란데는 예쁘고 매력적이죠? 하지만 아리아나 그란데가 단지 이쁘다고 월드 스타가 되었을까요? 실력과 외모 두개다 뛰어나기 때문에 스타가 된거죠 마찬가지로 한국 아이돌은 이 두개를 모두 다 갖춰야 스타가 될수 있다고 생각하는것 같아요! 이 프로그램은 아이돌이 되기 위한 경쟁 프로그램이기 때문에 아무리 귀엽다 할지라고 실력또한 뛰어나야 아이돌이 될수 있거든요..ㅠㅠ 실력과 외모만 본다고 팬들에게 즐거움을 주지 못하는것은 아니라고 생각합니다 I think Korean idols value their skills, appearance, and charm! I think I need these three things to become an idol No matter how cute you are, there's a limit to becoming a star if you don't have skills. For example, Ariana Grande is pretty and attractive, right? But did Ariana Grande become a world star just because she's pretty? She's a star because she's both talented and pretty. Likewise, Korean idols think that they can become stars when they have both! This program is a competition program to become an idol, so you have to be good at dancing and singing but also need to be cute (but it doesn't mean that they can't give joy to their fans because they value their skills, appearance, and charm). It doesn't mean that Japanese idols are wrong. What they think is more important is just different from Korean idols.. However, I think it is true that it is impossible to become a top star if you don't have enough skills
they're taking this sh** way too f seriously jesus lol its just kpop~ chill also.. seriously? even in South Korea its the same sh** I've been in Kpop since 2007 and its exactly the same as the japanese girls are describing I know at least 200 nugu kpop groups that sing and dance better than most top tier groups but no one cares about them.. people PRETEND like they care about talent and sync but the actual truth is that it only matters AFTER they decided that they like the idol themselves THEN AND ONLY THEN it becomes something to LIKE about them. its like a bonus its like a man who dates a hot woman who is also funny the funny part is a bonus if she wasn't hot to begin with.. no amount of jokes could save that relationship or like a woman who dates a tall, strong, wealthy man who likes to collect barbie dolls the barbie doll collecting aspect is adorable AS LONG THE OTHER ASPECTS ARE KEPT if he was short, weak and poor.. suddenly the barbie doll collection is an instant "virgin" hobby. I dont know why this is so hard to understand
Honestly I feel the Japanese concept is more fun It's emotionally and psychologically helpful for the idols and their fans While in korea it's just about the fans all while discared the idols entirely like totally physically and emotionally and this is why depression among korean idols is way higher tha japanese While in Japanese eating disorders is much higher than korea ( because of the culture btw and not the fans)
Group Idols in Japan are banned from dating due to the fact the core fan base are lonely single men. If they are caught, they are made to do humiliating acts like shave their head to beg forgiveness of the "fans". while another got assaulted in her home when her bandmates leaked her details to the "fans" and the victim was made to apologise for daring to complain that she was assaulted. One idol was stabbed multiple times by a "fan" after she graudated and the police did nothing leading up to the attack when she reported she got stalked.
They are not ban from dating. Only minors are ban from it because it's goes with the school rule of dating ban. It's more like "You can date but do it in secret" or sometimes it's promotional dates made to make news. Also to add each companies have their own rules. But for AKB48 before the Minegishi incident, they already had a dating scandale before and it's was just a short blog post excuse, there is also fact that everyone knew that some members were already married. Minegishi shaved her head because it was at time in which she felt insecure and talentless compare to other member, she was one of the oldest yet she was always ranked low. She didn't even told the staff that she was going to shave her head before going live. The fans got angry not because of the dating but because she acted in an excessive way (she talk about it recently in a jp tv show). One other member was even bullying other members and got yakuza involved. Again each companies have their own rules. Some are shadier than other, like in any music industry. It's like with japanese Vtubers, many people know about who they are in real life, but the fans never talk about it when talking about the Vtuber itself, because they are considered two different entities. @@C-eo1rt
I love kpop and jpop, idols anime and ect. I think in Korea it became "you have no right to make a mistake". Even this A B C D F looks like: if you got F, you shit and can't do nothing, so better look and learn. But in reality it's more like: you just need learn more, so we give you opportunity to do this, it's ok sometimes don't be the best. A, another hand, have so much pressure, " if you A, show me you deserve being here, you can't make any mistakes, so better don't disappoint! " But same time, I understand how and why in works nowadays. I just want people don't think that it's only right way.
What I'm saying for some people "pressure" work. - They say I can't do it... BUT I WILL! and for others, like me huh, my reaction is more like: - If I can't do it right? No matter how I tried, why would I even try more? Even in daily life I hear: "omg, if you can't do it normally JUST DON'T DO IT" after so many years they call me lazy and antisocial huh
@@skyyangv but you have to understand that if you are easy to give up on something, being an idol may not be the best job for you. since so so many people want to become an idol, it makes sense that they pick the best out of the best and those who have the strength to fight for their dream no matter what
it's not their fault. its the industry in japan that cares more about them being "cute" to appease the core fan base of single men than build their skills in dancing and singing.
@@gwenmloveskpopandmore You think this is bad? The fans of J-idols are insane. And the agencies validate the behavior they have towards the girl. From getting them to do lewd photoshoots despite being underage, banning them from being relationships and if caught forced to do humiliating rituals like shave head. they even made one idol apologise for complaining about being assaulted by "fans" in her own home and that it was her bandmates who leaked her location. There was a case not so long ago where one of the former idols was stabbed by a "fan" and despite complaining to the polie she had a stalker they did nothing. K-pop idols are atleast treated like adults and trained to be professionals not gratification outlets. The j idols girls are also limited to what they can and cannot say. Whereas the Kpop idols have more variety in personalities for better or worse. Like I said its 100% not the girls fault.
I mean kpop only cares if you are hot, if you are with in their beauty standards for an idol they will find u a spot in a group lol the new generation doesn't even care about vocals anymore its just looking hot and dancing
Because this is a Korean show….. They’re obviously different from kpop that’s why they don’t get jpop I think the judges expected them to be like Koreans when it comes to music
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honestly i can see how they're both not wrong? one side prioritizes honesty & sincerity while the other prioritizes talent & flawlessness. be perfect to be someone the audience can look up to or be imperfect to be someone the audience can connect with. i think both are great ways to attract fans tbh
lol what. Kpop idols are genuine tho??? Just because they’re better than Japanese does not make them not sincere 🤕🤕
you're so right!
@@youredumb2992 Theyre not saying they aren’t sincere, it’s just the emphasis. Most Japanese idols are debuted with little to no training because the improvement process and relatability are the most important factors for them. Idols in japan are more entertainers who can sing and dance while idols in Korea are more singers and dancers who can entertain if that makes sense. The Japanese idol industry is also not as unified as Korea where you can see the pattern of how much a group should train. There are other Japanese idol groups that dance and sing really well and then there are groups like AK that focus more on the fan service part.
@@youredumb2992 most idls are not genuine they mostly keep private almost all of them have a personality that was created by the company.
@@jeffrianbanton5138 how sure are you that they’re fake?? lmfaoo. Read my name. That’s you.
Yes, they are different but every group from each country can shines with their own charm.
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No, lol.
No, the J-contestant in Produce48 only performed simple dance saying its J-Pop idol concept. what the heck!!! Their Senpais back then could performed far more sophisticated dances and I would say they could shine with their own charm rivaling to K-Pop. Early AKB48 also had some subunit functioning as girlbands such as NO3B/No Sleeves, 'Not-Yet', Team Dragon, and many more. IDK why those trainees performed like that, may be it was scripted. For example Look at Nako, she performed a stupid Banana song when her ability was actually far greater than that so she got assigned to class F, later in Class F she showed an 'A' class ability, thus she was transferred to class A. Another case, Hitomi performed Korean song then assigned to class C, proving her dance ability as 'A', then she trained her vocal for a while then transferred to class A. What is this? A drama? A Propaganda? Marketing Scheme?
Very interesting and enlightening. As someone who lived 25 years in Korea and 10 years in Japan, the cultural differences are clear and well presented here. Westerners have some cockeyed idea that Japan and Korea are very similar culturally but that is an opinion based on ignorance. They are very different cultures even though, far back, they come from the same roots. Thank you for uploading this.
@やった😎 Yes, well, I'm sometimes reluctant to tell people how much I enjoy the youth cultures of Japan and Korea. I am getting older but following these artists reminds me of my youth and the enjoyable life I lived in the far east of Asia. Best wishes to you.
Japan and Korea don’t even really like each other politically.
@やった😎 Koreans suffered a great deal under the Japanese occupation from 1910 to 1945. The stories from those days are horrific. That occupation played a very significant role in the division of Korea into North and South, as well. Finally, I find that many Japanese feel they are superior to Koreans and don't even bother trying to hide it.
@sash587 that’s just the Japanese though because the youth could careless about history. Korea is a very prideful country. Even though they are hypocrites and use Japanese things/culture, the resentment is still rooted in their youth because of the politics and history between Korea and Japan. I have Korean friends who refuse to use Japanese brands or talk about Japanese things. It’s ridiculous but I can understand why they feel the way they do. I’m sure it’s easier for the Japanese to forget because they weren’t the ones who suffered horrifically.
i like how the judges encourage the japanese girls and sympathizes with them.
I think a balance between the both cultural approaches it's what makes the perfect girl group, that's why I love Twice and NiziU, because both groups were formed showing the growth of the memebers, later perfecting them but withouth loosing their joy, personalities and vulnerability, in my opinion that's the winning formula to blend these two amazing countries. I love Korea and Japan and I love when something blends both togetherm always results in something great, without going any further idol culture started in Japan and then was adopted by Korea and perfected, so I really think Jpop is a lot more similar that what they actually adress to Kpop and is a whole world outside AKB48, is just that Jpop is not exported because they don't need it, Japan is the 2nd biggest music market just behind the USA and yes, Japan LOVES Kpop, but Kpop NEEDS Japan.
True👍
That's actually true. That makes me realize why Twice is my 1st favorite 3rd gen group. They gave me the feel when i still follow AKB48 back then.
I disagree with the “ Kpop needs Japan “ bit. If anything 1st-3rd generation have proved the complete opposite one thing kpop groups are good at is finding a way to sustain and establish a fanbase whether it’s domestically, globally, or in select countries. Groups right out of debut are trained enough in all criteria to cater to multiple audiences instead of a select niche I think that was a heavy difference between the k trainees and japanese trainees. Like you said Japan doesn’t necessarily need to export much so no wonder those girls were experiencing so much cultural shock outside their domestic idol life
@@nayshine7875 but most Kpop group promotes in Japan tho 🤔
@@Vivisheyislonger yeah, they more often had japan comeback than english comeback
The show somehow became an eye opener from the 48group. Look at akb48 now with their recent releases after produce48. They got so much synchronized + very good songs. If another produce48 will be held, they will eat the other trainees up. To those who don't know Chiba Erii a contestant from produce48 is now akb48's 60th single center.
And then Hikaru and Yurina came making everyone scared of J-line up.
Mashiro too but she was trained in Jyp for years.
yurina
Well, hikaru trained in avex that pretty much adapting kpop training system so that's explaining where her skills came from
The difference is that all three of them are not in AKB. It's really not japan's culture that's the problem. It was only a problem here because the akb training system and standards are nonexistent, and they're the blueprint for other Japanese idol groups. However, companies like Hikaru's were essentially trying to make the Japanese version of a kpop group and even trained her to speak korean, so they focused on recruiting better trainees and trained them harder
@@saindex8390 it's not like Avex is adapting kpop system at all, they have had pop dance stars since the 90s who can sing and dance pretty well, so it's not surprising their trainees be well trained.
How can everybody be scared, when barely anybody knows who they are?
I honestly somewhat understand what those who have debuted way back then were feeling at that time, they've been in the entertainment and performance industry for so long now but in the Korean standard, it's almost like they have nothing to show for it if that makes sense.
Interestingly enough, AKB48 is the group that changed the idol culture into prioritizing only fanservice. Before AKB48 monopolized the industry, idols could sing and dance! Seiko Matsuda, Nakamori Akina, Goto Maki, Tanaka Reina, Takahashi Ai, Suzuki Airi, Matsuura Aya, the list goes on. All these J-idol legends could outsing K-pop main vocalists.
Exactly! This is what pisses me off in the statements. There are so many jpop groups that take singing and dancing seriously . Not all jpop group operates like 48 and it’s a bit frustrating they’re being lumped together.
@@pattamonsinthuvanichsate343 agree, i prefer j-singer tho, but i know some group that had a really good singer, yet in jpop or jsinger nobody rank their voice based on how range is their voice or how high they can hit high note
Can you name some other great jpop groups or their songs? I wanna hear them. I love their language
@@mirroruniverse9331 its not an idol but hey say jump, kalafina and claris is one of my fav. group, if its band type or 2 person band i'd say supercell, bless4, fhana
Mostly Morning Musume and their company. You're totally right! They are all such talented people. I miss them honestly🤧 💕 those days where golden
I can see why Sakura left HKT48 to join HYBE she was growing up into an adult and wanted to be taken seriously. All girls who left AKB48 wanted to grow their careers for themselves and not be a target for tbh a demographic that has VERY questionable "people". Also the politics on females in general in Japan is misogynistic and they want all Japanese women to be submissive and it's HEAVILY fetishized since idol girls start literally at 10.......these girls do gravure shoots .......and it’s literally dark entertainment
Sakura isn't that hot. Idk why so many korean peoples likes her.. and also her facial surgery is one of the worse that i've ever seen.. she looks better in HKT with her round face and funny nose
@@RealAlphaMale69 this kind of weird people
@@RealAlphaMale69 that's your opinion and a negative one not needed....
@@RealAlphaMale69 Why did you think it was acceptable to share this.
I remember watching the akb0048 anime all those years ago and thinking all those things weren't serious, just fanservice that they added since it's just 2d girls, but I noticed that they really do some questionable things IRL... And a lot of them are young??
From someone who's been following Jpop idols for a while now, it's so so different, but in a weird sense, sometimes not dancing perfectly and not even being able to sing really well, benefits on the idols mental health, in Japan is more about being able to cheer up everyone and share songs together, whereas Kpop is strict and harsh, with the reward of probably being world famous
As a jpop follower, i don't want them to lose their rarity amongst the idol industry. I found kpop to be perfectionist but full of flaws inside. I mean Jpop is still striving eventhough without having much talent in dancing. I don't want them to pressure themselves, just to fit in the shitty and narcissist kpop culture.
I just hate kpop eventhough I also like them before, it's been 4 years already I love jpop more than anyone.
I don't want to repeat this kind of show for giving a korean show, using Jpop as freeloader viewing. Fnck you korean Pd, i hate you all fncking koreans
@@PirikanChan I think im on a place where i don't glamourize either, kpop is strict and opressive, but at the same time Jpop idols have to deal with crazy fans, a lot of local competition and lack of recognition and favoritism, specially to the more popular members.
This said, the treatment of jpop idols on kpop sucks at best, and by far i feel like Koreans producers only hire Japanese idols to expand their market in Japan
j-idols have an equally restricting system bec of all the fanservice. I remember that one j-idol who shaved her head for dating
@@kimnamjoon3943 nah that's already done, and the shaved girl you've mentioned is already a former-idol. Please leave her alone, she also got a mistakes so need to shaved her hair for forgiveness. I know that's a huge news before but it's now forgotten by anyone, Akb48 is not popular atm, so her being mentioned is invalid.
While Kpop in regards, they had a lot issues to deal with, fans, their mental health, there's a lot to mention esp with their idol life as well.
While in Jpop, you rarely will see those kind of news because they're not into press media exposure, they will only do that if there's a huge reason to exposed it.
There's a lot of pros and cons between two cultures, but all I can say is. Fuck Kpop.
But yeah that's right fuck capitalism
@@PirikanChan bruh Jpop lives off of capitalism
Tbh on GP999 I feel like they were forcing J and C group to be more “Koreanized” since that was a little bit of the point of the show 🤔 🧐 it took elements from both female seasons and a bit of their own things but it was also a joke 😔 and basically the 3rd female season of produce
I feel like it's mostly because GP999 contestants weren't in AKB48 - they weren't idols beforehand so they had to train and show their true potencial. They also knew what a korean show was looking for
C groups did very well, but in Japan they actually grab inexperienced girls then from there on they are shown everytime they improve
@@IASSAASSAI yeah
@@chvv7776 yeah
@@IASSAASSAI the C group deserved better Mnet did them dirty
What’s confusing about this though is that there are so many Korean idols who can’t sing and their dancing is just fine.. it’s all visual
got any examples?
The thing is, at least they have their visuals. Jpop artists have no talent or visuals to cover for it. Jpop artists look like hags next to Kpop idols. The thing that surprised me the most when I was watching pd48 was the staggering difference in visual levels between the Koreans and the Japanese. Only Sakura can compete wth Korean visuals
@@onceanarmyforeveracarat4538 lol that’s super rude and superficial, let’s see what you look like 💀
@@mysticravenclaw1426 I do but I’m not gonna say any cuz I’m not about to trigger people and it’s not really about them as much as it is about these judges claiming what the Kpop industry standards are vs what they actually are
@@onceanarmyforeveracarat4538 WHAT THE FUCK 😭
Both philosophies are right, idols should strive to improve their skills but also show that they enjoy being on stage because that makes fans enjoy performances as well.
Some idols feel almost robotic on stage and literally only stare into the camera and as a fan I just wonder what the heck am I supposed to be feeling?? They may be such good singers and dancers but if they don't evoke emotion from fans then all that talent and skill kinda becomes meaningless.
But then, only focusing and enjoying a performance and neglecting skill can make an idol group feel very amateur and people may doubt why someone is an idol if they can't sing or dance. So always working to improve on their singing and dancing skill builds a professional image and fans trust the idols.
I believe both cultures can learn from each other and inspire each other.
Kpop has plenty of emotions in their performances. The idea that being a skilled performer takes away from that is an actual asinine take. They stare into the camera, so you can't feel emotions anymore? What kind of logic is that? I'd say it's the opposite, because the effort that it takes to becoming a competent performer will breed stronger emotions. And the member count is another thing. How are you suppose to convince me that a hundred girls that dresses and acts the same way somehow evokes more emotions then a group of 5 girls that all have their unique roles and are dressed individually? I'd say these 48 groups are the ones that feel robotic if anything.
That’s why kpop is so famous around the world.. they work their ass off… just because I believe not everyone can be a performer.. they need to earn their spot just like everyone else.. not saying the Japanese girls are bad.. just saying that KPOP isn’t worldwide famous for nothing…
Kpop had to expand to a worldwide market since south korea is a small music market. Japan does not need to go worldwide, its also why kpop idols try the japan market.
I'm gonna have to disagree w you here.
Those in the Jpop industry also work their asses off.. its just the training and expectations are different.
And while Korea is willing to open and expand business outside Korea - they make everything accessible via online on ytb and kpop idols touring outside of Asia. Japan doesn't really have that same model. Back in the day jpop mvs would be cut short on ytb to kinda force u to buy cds and invest in merch stuff. They don't promote as hard in my opinion depending on the company but some are still really well known and famous outside of Korea.
Yeah you can see how k-pop marketing works hard.
Yeah but marketing role plays a huge difference. Korea always pursue to market their idols internationally. While I can't even watch Japanese idols content because they restricted it for Japan only.
Technically jpop don't need to expand internationally, japanese market is the second highest next to america. So they don't need to expand, and today is they want to expand because they realize that jpop and japanese culture is also a think outside japan. And did you know that almost all japanese content like in yt is exclusively to japanese only. Its hard to find jp contents by an ingernational community.
A boy gp vers of this survival show would be really interesting though
No no no, I was also taken aback why they performed like that as the preliminaries round.
I think the "difference" was just and an excuse or propaganda. J-Standard is very diverse, even if its like "Cute" like they said but there are still more of them. The problem is that AKB48 was originally theatrical based group, performing like that is suicidal (could only give them "E" or "F"). for example Nako-Miku performed Banana Song. The heck- Oh My God., Produce48 wanted to make Iz*One not SOUL48 so they should perform non-theatrical based choreo. Mako team, Hitomi team, Noe team, Miyu team didn't perform AKB48 song and Jurina and Sakura changed/adjusted/modified from 48G choreo. Thus they could got "D" until "A".
Just For reference as an example they could've performed song/choreo like NO3B/No Sleeves-Title "Kirigirisu Jin". or from 'Not-Yet'-title : "Shumatsu Not Yet".
Both NO3B and Not Yet were AKB48 subunit functioned as girl-bands, they had a great enjoyable choreo.
Kigirisu Jin by No3B : ruclips.net/video/sMFFg55ZbLQ/видео.html
Songs by Not-Yet : ruclips.net/video/Qmt1XvtLdSU/видео.html ; ruclips.net/video/TrId6iKDJ8s/видео.html ; ruclips.net/video/ZAaMMs7Yf8Q/видео.html
If they wanted to be extreme they could performed J-boyband with masculine dance. (eg. ARASHI and others).
Exactly. AKB48’s standard was/is cute. But if you look at other JPop groups, Faky, BananaLemon, E-Girls you will see there’s an emphasis on performance in J-Pop too. Their whole portrayal of Japanese performers was problematic.
My opinion is AKB48 are entertainers while kpop are performers. I do agree with both of you. Be safe my friends ✌
@@AnABSOLUTEBarbarian exactly. they portrayed jpop as a whole as something that wasn't taken seriously and were all just about fanservice instead of talent, but most of the akb48 girls were just talking about the supergroup that they were specifically in. they turned it into a culture thing so it led to the problematic stereotype in girls planet 999 that the japanese trainees to be seen as just cute.
@@lima8622 👍
@@AnABSOLUTEBarbarian if you know how 48g works, you wouldn’t even dare compare them to other groups… faky for example is under one management only and that is avex. They train just like how kpop groups train while 48g members are under different agencies. Jpop is just a big genre and idol is under that big umbrella my friend… thats how big the industry is and idols are common way of earning a name, a stepping stone for them to be somewhere higher and that is to be an actress or solo singer.
If I stood there like those girls, I'd be so nervous. I have so much respect for the girls. I feel so sad for them. Where I come from it is also more important that you can see that the artist is having fun and enjoys doing what he or she is doing on stage like singing and dancing!! Of course they have to be able to sing well, but the entertainment and that you can see that they enjoy doing what they do is more important than the dancing. And the looks are also less important than the talent and the entertainment! Don't give up your dreams If it doesn't work try it somewhere else!
이분법적인 논지의 댓글들이 많네요.
한국도 당연히 춤 실력이나 연습만큼 재능과 끼룰 우선시합니다.
한동안 한국 최고의 걸그룹이었던 Twice도 퍼포먼스나 라이브 실력이 최고는 아니었던 것처럼요.
한국도 매력이 아이돌계에서 최고 덕목입니다.
한국 아이돌들은 그러한 매력을 무대에서 보여줄 수 있는 능력이 뛰어납니다.
다양하고 매력적인 표정 연기나 칼군무 또는 압도적인 댄스 퍼포먼스, 엄청난 음색과 노래 실력으로 말입니다.
하지만 일본 아이돌은 그러한 매력을 무대에서 보여주는 능력이 굉장히 부족했습니다. 그런 연습을 거의 못 했기 때문이지요.
그렇기때문에 대부분의 일본 아이돌은 일본에서 아티스트로 대우받지 못하고 있습니다.
일본으로 돌아온 혼다 히토미가 자신감을 얻고 변한 모습, 한국에서 아이돌 활동을 열심히 하는 쥬리와 사쿠라의 모습은 저 트레이너들이 말한 문화차이의 의미를 명백하게 보여줍니다.
일본 사회가 일본 아이돌에게 원하는 이미지와 한국 사회가 한국 아이돌에게 원하는 이미지가 얼마나 다른지를요.
일본은 반짝반짝 빛나는 다이아몬드 반지를 원하지만 한국은 반짝반짝 빛나는 스타를 원합니다.
If they want to debut as a Kpop group, they should have the skills that the Korean audience want to back them up with.
This isn’t charity work.
Why want something you’re not qualified for, then cry about it when you don’t get it? What about the million other trainees in Korea who have actually put in all the effort to become that good in what they do?
This isn’t about cultural differences.
This is about qualification and expectation differences.
Exhibit A: the Japanese trainees that acknowledged their shortcomings and worked their asses off to debut, such as Sakura, Nako, and Hitomi (and the other trainees who debuted outside of izone like Juri)
People will still call blackpink lazy but not to these japanese girls where they lack talent also which is the basic thing.
This might come across as an aggressively hot take but I feel like the entire concept of PD48 was just a huge fap session for MNET and the Kpop industry as a whole. Heaven knows how rocky the relationship is between SK and Japan, so the fact SK was able to popularize their music industry with rigorous training and perfectionism is enough to want to rub it in Japan’s face. Clearly there’s a cultural difference between the two nations, so the fact that these poor Japanese girls were framed as talentless crybabies who compare themselves to the superior Kpop training system in the beginning kind of rubs me the wrong way. I love Kpop and used to love jpop so seeing both sides makes me look at the show in a different light than I would if I was biased to one country’s pop industry. I just know I’m boutta get flamed for this comment but y’all cannot tell me this show didn’t scream extreme nationalism 😭
I completelyyyy agree. It was so obvious
@@Orvvv200 Don’t even get me started on the rigging…Cause everybody and they mama knows Sakura ate up those votes…But a Japanese center?? MNET wasn’t trynna hear it
Really? I don’t think so. And I’m a fan of jrock. Watch Chinese tv shows for reference, I think I’ll categorize THOSE as nationalistic.
Mnet is rigggy af but the judges feel like fairly nice ppl and were pretty sympathetic to it being a cultural difference. They could just simply cut out that part and not even mention it but this clip portrays it as the girls not being bad, just different
@@GazeRUKI4eva Yea, I’m not referring to the judges. I’m talking about the editors (who manipulated and omitted context to deceive the audience, aka “evil editing”) and the producers (who rigged the shit from the start). You can tell even the judges were shocked by the final line up. They innocent
한국아이돌은 실력, 외모 그리고 매력을 다 중요시하는것 같아요! 이 세가지가 갖춰져야 아이돌을 할수 있다고 생각하는것 같습니다ㅎㅎ
아무리 귀여워도 실력이 없으면 스타가 되는데에 한계가 있거든요... 예를들어 아리아나 그란데는 예쁘고 매력적이죠? 하지만 아리아나 그란데가 단지 이쁘다고 월드 스타가 되었을까요?
실력과 외모 두개다 뛰어나기 때문에 스타가 된거죠 마찬가지로 한국 아이돌은 이 두개를 모두 다 갖춰야 스타가 될수 있다고 생각하는것 같아요!
이 프로그램은 아이돌이 되기 위한 경쟁 프로그램이기 때문에 아무리 귀엽다 할지라고 실력또한 뛰어나야 아이돌이 될수 있거든요..ㅠㅠ
실력과 외모만 본다고 팬들에게 즐거움을 주지 못하는것은 아니라고 생각합니다
I think Korean idols value their skills, appearance, and charm! I think I need these three things to become an idol
No matter how cute you are, there's a limit to becoming a star if you don't have skills. For example, Ariana Grande is pretty and attractive, right? But did Ariana Grande become a world star just because she's pretty?
She's a star because she's both talented and pretty. Likewise, Korean idols think that they can become stars when they have both!
This program is a competition program to become an idol, so you have to be good at dancing and singing but also need to be cute (but it doesn't mean that they can't give joy to their fans because they value their skills, appearance, and charm).
It doesn't mean that Japanese idols are wrong. What they think is more important is just different from Korean idols.. However, I think it is true that it is impossible to become a top star if you don't have enough skills
When you talk about korea prepare about visual tho .
I feel like they're enough already tho. Going to a different country and trying to get to their expectations they didn't know about is difficult.
they're taking this sh** way too f seriously jesus lol its just kpop~ chill
also.. seriously? even in South Korea its the same sh**
I've been in Kpop since 2007 and its exactly the same as the japanese girls are describing
I know at least 200 nugu kpop groups that sing and dance better than most top tier groups
but no one cares about them..
people PRETEND like they care about talent and sync but the actual truth is that
it only matters AFTER they decided that they like the idol themselves
THEN AND ONLY THEN it becomes something to LIKE about them.
its like a bonus
its like a man who dates a hot woman who is also funny
the funny part is a bonus
if she wasn't hot to begin with.. no amount of jokes could save that relationship
or like a woman who dates a tall, strong, wealthy man who likes to collect barbie dolls
the barbie doll collecting aspect is adorable AS LONG THE OTHER ASPECTS ARE KEPT
if he was short, weak and poor.. suddenly the barbie doll collection is an instant "virgin" hobby.
I dont know why this is so hard to understand
ここには「どちらもいいところがある」とありがたい言葉があるものの… 私は、AKBは日本社会がいかに“中身が成熟していないオッサン”たちを中心に作られてきたかを示す象徴的なものの1つだと思っていて、日本メンバーの言う「楽しい」「愛嬌」がそういう社会の中心にいる人たちの都合で生まれてきた価値観だとわかっているから、それで若い女の子たちが傷つくのを観てリアルタイムでも心苦しかった記憶…
これ当時は日本のアイドルは甘えてるみたいに捉える人が多かったけど、むしろ努力によって得られるスキルよりも生まれ持ったパーソナリティや雰囲気みたいな天性の要素で人気の出る・出ないが決まってしまう日本のアイドルはある意味実力主義より厳しいと感じたわ。
Honestly I feel the Japanese concept is more fun
It's emotionally and psychologically helpful for the idols and their fans
While in korea it's just about the fans all while discared the idols entirely like totally physically and emotionally and this is why depression among korean idols is way higher tha japanese
While in Japanese eating disorders is much higher than korea ( because of the culture btw and not the fans)
Group Idols in Japan are banned from dating due to the fact the core fan base are lonely single men.
If they are caught, they are made to do humiliating acts like shave their head to beg forgiveness of the "fans". while another got assaulted in her home when her bandmates leaked her details to the "fans" and the victim was made to apologise for daring to complain that she was assaulted.
One idol was stabbed multiple times by a "fan" after she graudated and the police did nothing leading up to the attack when she reported she got stalked.
They are not ban from dating. Only minors are ban from it because it's goes with the school rule of dating ban. It's more like "You can date but do it in secret" or sometimes it's promotional dates made to make news.
Also to add each companies have their own rules. But for AKB48 before the Minegishi incident, they already had a dating scandale before and it's was just a short blog post excuse, there is also fact that everyone knew that some members were already married.
Minegishi shaved her head because it was at time in which she felt insecure and talentless compare to other member, she was one of the oldest yet she was always ranked low. She didn't even told the staff that she was going to shave her head before going live. The fans got angry not because of the dating but because she acted in an excessive way (she talk about it recently in a jp tv show). One other member was even bullying other members and got yakuza involved.
Again each companies have their own rules. Some are shadier than other, like in any music industry.
It's like with japanese Vtubers, many people know about who they are in real life, but the fans never talk about it when talking about the Vtuber itself, because they are considered two different entities.
@@C-eo1rt
"our cultures are different" bruh both of your countries went to war against each other it's called "The Imjin War" no wonder it's so different. 😆
I love kpop and jpop, idols anime and ect. I think in Korea it became "you have no right to make a mistake". Even this A B C D F looks like: if you got F, you shit and can't do nothing, so better look and learn. But in reality it's more like: you just need learn more, so we give you opportunity to do this, it's ok sometimes don't be the best.
A, another hand, have so much pressure, " if you A, show me you deserve being here, you can't make any mistakes, so better don't disappoint! "
But same time, I understand how and why in works nowadays.
I just want people don't think that it's only right way.
What I'm saying for some people "pressure" work.
- They say I can't do it... BUT I WILL!
and for others, like me huh, my reaction is more like:
- If I can't do it right? No matter how I tried, why would I even try more?
Even in daily life I hear: "omg, if you can't do it normally JUST DON'T DO IT"
after so many years they call me lazy and antisocial huh
@@skyyangv but you have to understand that if you are easy to give up on something, being an idol may not be the best job for you. since so so many people want to become an idol, it makes sense that they pick the best out of the best and those who have the strength to fight for their dream no matter what
@@A-STREET-OFFICIAL yeah true, I just wanted to say that "I like dance and make people happy" it's more what Japanese idols about that Korean idols
1:01 what is her name??? thanks in advance
Murakawa Vivian 村川緋杏 HKT48
@@xlambs thank you!!!! 💗
I feel sorry for the Japanese girls 🥺❤️
it's not their fault. its the industry in japan that cares more about them being "cute" to appease the core fan base of single men than build their skills in dancing and singing.
@@C-eo1rt yep I know I just felt sorry for how they were being treated
@@gwenmloveskpopandmore
You think this is bad? The fans of J-idols are insane. And the agencies validate the behavior they have towards the girl.
From getting them to do lewd photoshoots despite being underage, banning them from being relationships and if caught forced to do humiliating rituals like shave head. they even made one idol apologise for complaining about being assaulted by "fans" in her own home and that it was her bandmates who leaked her location.
There was a case not so long ago where one of the former idols was stabbed by a "fan" and despite complaining to the polie she had a stalker they did nothing.
K-pop idols are atleast treated like adults and trained to be professionals not gratification outlets.
The j idols girls are also limited to what they can and cannot say.
Whereas the Kpop idols have more variety
in personalities for better or worse.
Like I said its 100% not the girls fault.
@@C-eo1rt yeah i know how how all of it is. I was just feeling bad for The Japanese contestants cuz Mnet treated them like trash
@@C-eo1rt Same with the GP999 contestants
I mean kpop only cares if you are hot, if you are with in their beauty standards for an idol they will find u a spot in a group lol the new generation doesn't even care about vocals anymore its just looking hot and dancing
I actually like these Japanese-Korean crossover shows.
だから誰でもなれんだよ
HKT48はお遊戯グループだから、歌、ダンスが下手な人多いよねwコメ欄にAKB48Gは演劇グループって思われてるけど、HKTだけですよ！演劇グループは🤣
WHY ONLY KOREAN JUDGES??? THEY OBVIOUSLY DON'T GET THE POINT...EMOTION IS MORE IMPORTANT FOR JAPANESE
Cuz it's KOREAN tv show.. and honestly no one get's japanese idol's concept except for japanese and weaboos
Because this is a Korean show….. They’re obviously different from kpop that’s why they don’t get jpop I think the judges expected them to be like Koreans when it comes to music
It's a korean show that decided to a collab with Japan, hex why it's called produce48 and not produce 101@@leak3856
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they talk like kpop idols perfectly synch their dances but they make misakes on their lives all the time????
growing fast at girls999planet 😅
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