@@thatoneravenclaw417 but it's hard to get into any company, they need to work with what they have or they can go and find other job which is hard for most families in Korea
omg her screams were so full of pain and suffering, I can’t believe they have to endure this stuff, I feel ill hearing and seeing them force her into a split and then celebrating being underweight
Lucy Link I got so mad when the girl that was pushing her down said ''Hey I'm not even pushing you. Why are you crying?'' and then said a few seconds later ''go down lower!'' can't they see she can't and it hurts like what is wrong with them and I felt so bad I even started crying when they started celebrating they were underweight
@@spookyscarycorpse2969 that's normal (??) I take karate classes and i have to do the same so I can be more flexible and when one of us cries they push us harder to the floor ( until our knot of the belt is on the floor)
@@filipa3303 I kinda think that part wasn't as bad too. I am doing gymnastics and yes it hurts to stretch like that. But when you push through the pain, that's when you will notice progress in your flexibility. It looks awful but I have seen ballet or gymnastics coaches do worse stuff.
Manisha Bhaittrai With the agency it’s basically a whole team, who publishes the music and gives themes and what not. Even in holly wood to get famous you need to have a label to publish the music. Without an agency or team you might not be successful, at least in Korea. In the US idk
That's why idol's and trainee's deserve respect, we have to support them because their the ones who are putting all the work in, they're the ones who are sacrificing youth and freedom, we have to treat them with compassion, and maybe in the future when Kpop gains more exposure in the western, companies can change too.
cherry blossom are you kidding? They’re being forced into doing this.. the only people disrespecting them are those that make them do this and those that glorify celebrity culture.. the world doesn’t need a million Disney-style performers but hey if there’s money to make then you can be certain that someone is taking advantage of these young people
I know, I think it’s quite sad really. People shouldn’t need to suffer this much to be happy. I mean gosh yeah they’re beautiful and I really like how they look, but I would never do that cause I think u should love yourself. And if you wanna become a famous singer there are others ways, I mean, look at Adele she doesn’t have a perfect body or anything but me and a huge amount of people love her for her voice and creative ideas. Or even Billie Eilish. She’s my favorite artist for her voice and songs and the fact that she is not perfect and has her own problems and that she is super honest about it just makes me admire her more.
It’s also so sad when you realise how little money they get from it. I remember a while ago seeing the breakdown of SM Entertainment’s income, and I can’t remember seeing a good amount going to the idols. Some amazing music and talent comes out of Kpop, but it is heartbreaking knowing what harsh treatment is behind it all. There’s so much that we don’t see that goes on behind it all, and I understand that there is bad in many industries across the world, but things hit harder when you see or hear of it - it really brings it back to reality. I wish people could do what they love with the talent they have, and not be pushed over the brink to fit a particular structure or mould. It’s like some forget that they are people and not just idols to be trained and make a name of the companies.
Dumb and stupid....is it worth it ?? Don't think so......on top of that most will go for plastic surgeries........they don't look natural selves.......hair colours and so on....... it's sad they 're so insecure with themselves .and that lead to all others.......tq
Shirley Cameron dont say dumb and stupid. It’s really disgraceful. Koreans have insecurities that they would change anything to make their insecurities patched up.
Shirley Cameron k firstly, it’s not dumb and stupid if being an idol is really what they want. There’s a lot of pressure, of course, and they are overworked, but when they debut, they’re happy. Secondly, the different hair colours are the concepts for the songs and albums. No one is being tortured with hair dye, it’s not a bad thing despite dying hair endlessly will damage their natural hair. Lastly, most of them go through hard times. It’s a lot of pressure being a trainee and hard work must be put into it. Although some are insecure, many are confident and they encourage others. Being insecure doesn’t lead others into being insecure.
Shirley Cameron you probably don’t think it’s worth the hard work because being an idol isn’t your dream. But many young people are happy when they sing, dance, and perform. The job that you want, the dream that you want, what you want to do in life, are you willing to work hard for it? If you are, then you’re just like those trainees. They think it’s worth it because they’re grasping at their dreams, and you will too, when you’re in the process of grabbing ahold of your dream
i used to get insecure by looking at all these kpop idols on instagram. they all seemed so perfect, beautiful, skinny, talented and extremely happy. but nobody knows what they have to sacrifice in order to maintain this lifestyle.
Crimson Riot Yes, there will always be people who have it worse. But does that change the fact that they are suffering as well? Seriously, it's hella annoying when you put out a problem and someone goes: "YEAH, bUT thErE ARe PeOPLe ThAT-" YES, I KNOW. BUT A PROBLEM IS A PROBLEM. Go be stupid somewhere else -.-
@Crimson Riot I'm pretty sure that you shouldn't compare sufferings with one thing and another. A suffering is a suffering. If you get your entire limb fractured versus having a nail ripped off, would you say you can only complain about one of them? That's stupid.
The text saying "Some trainees can remain in entertainment agencies for years...and never end up debuting." displayed over the cheering fans...it's absolutely chilling
Imagine dedicating yourself for years of this grueling training only to be rejected, your dreams crushed and with nothing to show for all the hard work.
It seems to me that they deliberately keep the trainees on the courses, even if they know that they have no chance on the market. This only generates more money for these companies (which I think are dubious when I see what's in the documentary).
Well, that’s the same risk for any trainee performing artist, athlete, medical student, etc. There are no guarantees despite the investment of time, money, and passion. 🤷🏼♀️
@@TheNuvia1210 idk if this is true or not but he says that some entertainment companies are more biased towards male trainees compared to female trainees
@@jellyfishi_ I understand where you’re coming from and how it can be perceived that way however her job was to help them improve on their dance and vocals. It may be the company’s job to prepare them to be idols and achieve that status but like I said in my comment she didn’t say anything about what they could improve on to become the best kpop idol they could be. I respect your opinion and in no way do I mean to offend you or come off as rude. This is just my view of it ☺️
As someone who did ballet. Yes pushing a person down for splits is a thing but WITHIN REASON! Yes we push splits down because it is ballet but we also DONT WANT TO HURT THEM! If the dancer is screaming out of pain YOU STOP! You do it again later in their own pace that doesn’t damage the dancer! The way the instructor literally dragged Mizuho could damage her ham strings and damage her leg muscles! This can even lead to permanent damage! Yes push your dancers for them to become better. But not in the method where it physically damages them! Also emotionally too! This is disgusting.
Exactly! I'm not a dancer; I'm a classically trained singer, but it's the same with us...We never push the voice beyond what it can handle. If you feel pain, it means something is wrong and forcing yourself to sing in such a way can lead to permanent damage. Our bodies are our instruments. We have to treat it with respect.
Exactly I’m a figure skater, and the entire point of pushing someone in the splits in to feel a deeper stretch and get slightly farther down than last time. Not to push so hard someone cries.
They were rushed, that's all. Yes, it's bad, but I think they simply had no time to do it at her own pace. She "should have" been more prepared and started training to do the splits before she even auditioned. Before you roast me, I'm not saying this is right, I'm saying this is how it is for trainees. It's really sad, awful, and I can't believe it's still like this. It's been 5 years since this video was uploaded.. things are only getting worse for trainees and idols now with idols debuting as young as 13. Unbelievable..
I think it’s buttering her up before they dish out the real punishment which is kicking her from the debut. It’s to soften the blow when she realizes she’s the only one that won’t make it.
I think they also did it on purpose for the other girls. They knew she wasn't going to cut it, and praised her while belittling the ones who did. A bit of manipulation. 'Oh look, she did great but she was cut, I have to work harder and be better than her so that they don't kick me out.'
Lilia Alvarado I agree with you but I also think that it’s saying even if they are praised and do good it doesn’t always guaranteed that they’ll 1. Debut 2. Be successful 3. Wont regret it later And much more despite their hard work
someone just fuckin save her from that shit hole omfg the entire kpop community is fucked.... she doesn’t deserve ever this, neither does any idol and trainee
Honestly being a kpop idol seems like hell. I’m a kpop stan (stay) but like I can never imagine what kpop idols go through and go maybe not even debut in the end. It looks like just straight up hell
SAME!!! I think Mizuho is really pretty and is also really talented. Like LOOK AT HER she danced for only one year and she's better than some people who danced like for years.
i mean it could be to make the company more known, like if they're flexible people are like "oh did you see this idol that is so flexible?" kinda like that
They'll be singing and dancing for quite an amount of time per day, if you're not flexible then you'll get stiffer and stiffer which can affect your performance on stage.. if you dont have charm/charisma then the only thing you can rely on is your performance
when i was younger, i always wanted to be a kpop idol. i would always push myself to go through the diets that they went through, training myself like how they did. but it was so hard, too hard for me. the idols that are idols now are so strong to endure the pain they went/go through.
Forcing a split is terribly really really bad you can rip/stretch your skin on the inner thigh also your muscles and joints can be risked of injury so overall never force a split or push someone further down what they can do it enough
Jimin Got Jams a similar situation happened at my school a boy at my school wanted to do the splits and someone forced him into the splits and he had to go to hospital
Unlike her, Lisa is the perfect dance teacher because her technique and way of teaching is far better. She points out the trainee's problems correctly and is not over the top, which is certainly why the trainees like her. She also understands their feelings and try to help them.
Guys I have seen many of you have commented that you wanna debut as a kpop idol. Think twice why you wanna become an idol? Just because your role model is also a kpop idol? Or you're into kpop? Or what?? Please don't change yourself, your own self because you love kpop idols. You don't need to copy them. Just get your dream job and work for it. Trust me you'll definitely become happy at the end! Be who you really are! You deserve the success
Hey I saw this comment and I do want to be a Kpop idol and will be auditing in a year or two during those times I will practice also I have thinked twice about it and I'm 1000% sure I want to be a Kpop idol I already have everything planned if I don't make one company, I'll keep trying, I don't want to give up it's my dream not because my favourite idols are one but because dancing and singing have always been a big part of me I have been on stage before and I really liked it and that has made me want to do this dream I know I will be successful I have a good luck feeling, I know I will make one of the companys. Sorry for being so late but I kinda want to talk about it
@@UsergoingthroughitThat's the spirit... God tests us before giving our dream... Just be persistent... Don't let anyone stop you from achieving your dreams... Just find a good company for yourself like jyp, hybe, kq ent I hope you keep improving every day... All the best 👍
@@Skinnypole_clara You don't have to support kpop. Dunno where you came up with that, but why the fuck u comparing animals to humans?They are both completely different. Yes, animals get treated nicely. But when they're out in the wild, they worry about the food chain. Animals dont have it easy.
Ir dont stan any if your okay with them being tortured it's your choice. Many of us think talent takes time but shouldn't be so brutal and forced. And they barely make money even after they debut only the most successful ones do.
@Claire S I mean I wouldnt support any. Until they make changes to how they treat idols form the goverment. I dont buy anything that belong to any group even if I like them. Because clearly that money wont go into supporting the idols. Remember tvxq they were so successful but then they sued their company cuz they barly made any money. Its until they respect their artist that I'll support I.e. stan them. And let's not forget most those trainees are kids and imagine them treating kids like that? Its child abuse and their okay with that.
@@YTworld-69 It's not every agency that does that, though. Sure, this agency should go into the gutter, but many agencies(not just bighit and blockberry) treat their trainees well, or if not well, then better than this.
@@maximelover3314 I meant the exacting weight bar. And seeing as I do not stalk female idols to find out their weight, I do not in fact know a female idol who weighs more than myself.
Many foreigners want to become idols, but in Korea, when selecting foreign idols, most Asian people are cast (Japanese and Chinese), or if they are Korean like Rosé, but their nationality is New Zealand. In Thailand, people with white faces are usually cast. (Minnie, Lisa, for example) And mixed blood is possible. It is actually difficult to debut as an idol in Korea unless you are particularly good at singing. You have to be fluent in Korean. There are many people who want to be an idol in Korea, so it is highly competitive.This is the reality
RM's moonchild yeah or u don’t get properly recognised and promoted and thus ur group becomes a nobody in the kpop industry... not only do u need to get past the stage of debuting but also continuing to work hard to attain success. I always pity and feel bad for many idols 😓
not really tho if you did work really hard and did a contribution to all of the kpop industry, although doing that is very hard and its very unlikely to happen (use bts,and other famous groups for an example, i bet they won't be forgotten. but they did work really hard) but imo, its easier to get richer by working in a idol agency or making an idol agency then being the actual idol
@@gawkygawk6396 the percent to get success is still low, and you still have to fight with many people just to get debut So i hope if anyone who dream to be in this industry have a back up plan
omg this breaks my heart. Like when yeonjun from TXT cried telling we debuted I always thought like "yeah you debuted why do you have to cry". But now I know... Its insane how they work so hard for YEARS but still not debut.
This is so horrible. I like don’t even know what to say. The judges treat them like dog shit. I can’t believe her judgement was the kindest and they still kicked her out.
vhope trash hate to say it but it’s probably because she’s Japanese. Companies (especially ones that treat ALL of their idols badly) are usually especially cruel to foreign/non-Korean idols. It’s always happening, even in big companies (coughSMcough). It’s horrible but usually true.
ive got jimins jams that’s cuz JYP is the best of the Big3 (JYP, SM and YG). They’ve got issues but in my opinion yg and sm are a lot worse, although I do like many artists from these companies I don’t like the companies themselves.
why did the DANCE TEACHER critique the trainee’s vocals??? thats for the VOCAL TRAINER to do, she has no experience with singing and shouldn’t be qualified to tell them how to sing
@@loonaroaches even if she did have experience i don't think it would be okay to shit on the trainee's vocals and not give them critique to improve their singing.
Magnaut Sana criticism isn’t only pointing out flaws, its also about giving advice to improve on those flaws. i do agree that being able to take criticism is a big part of life, and these girls are taking it well. however the trainer isn’t giving advice at all and solely telling them what they’re doing wrong - in a very harsh manner. if it is criticism, it’s not very good criticism
@*화월6446 i never said kpop trainers were idiots, i was pointing out the fact that the dance trainer was giving the trainees harsh "critique" on their singing - something she probably, if we're being honest, has little experience of training. therefore, it shouldn't be right that she's the one to give them critique on their singing
I think it's because they're such a small company that they want their idols to be good at EVERYTHING so they don't fail, because they're already doomed to fail
Flexibility is better for dance and reduces injuries. Amber did say it was a basic for girl groups. Splits are something you can work at and train for so its just another obstacle for picking out the most determined as well. It's like asking why you must take physics to graduate when you dont use it in daily life.
wachotraefernet that’s not it they put more pressure on the females because in Korea and most asian countries the standards for females are much higher then males
@@wachotraefernet It OFC would not have been OK.. I said especially females... It mostly because they have high standards... In Korea and companies are much brutal towards the female trainees than the male... You can see in the video at the beginning... Her scream... She looked in so much pain.... :(
there isn't a problem of being strict but telling them these words: "i'll kick you out instead", "i won't let you debut" "you make my ears hurt" hurts like hell bruh.
but the people in the comments saying this are met by immense hate telling that she is a dance teacher and whatnot, giving constructive criticism is what she should be doing, but instead she is abusing her with words. Imagine if the trainee was seriously hurt when they forced her to the splits, like gurl that's not how it works, you can't force yourself to do things like that, you are either born with it, or you slowly adapt to it, get it straight. I got so pissed 😤
The fact that the first few seconds were allowed to be on the internet says that they do something worse off camera. Anyway, Miss Mizuho is doing fine now. Apparently, in 2021 she was on a vacation in Spain
there actually is, it used to be on netflix which is how i found it but i believe it was removed, you can still find it on youtube if you search 9 muses of star empire bbc
If you know literally nothing about what goes on in these asian countries when it comes to being an idol, I suggest you watch Perfect Blue, there’s a lot of similarities between korea and japan
@@spicyvro perfect blue is deadass my favorite movie ever but i don't think it helps anyone to understand how being an idol works? satoshi kon just used the idol theme in a fantasious, psychological horror movie and let's be honest mima isn't even an idol through the whole movie since she ditches her idol life since the beginning to become an actress so it doesn't really cover any aspects of an idol life, let alone a trainee one
a lot of companies have a contract with the trainee or idol stating that they cant say certain stuff about certain things so i lowkey think that would be difficult to work out
probably because she was older than the others (24), i heard sori also couldn't debut with yg (i think) because she's almost 30. But who knows, i hope she does get to debut i would totally stan her
I think if you're a trainee you need to have the talent and skills not just knowledge on how to dance and perform because companies have high ideal standards that you need to keep up and they are not thinking twice whether they'll pick you because they are always looking for the best. It's harsh but that's reality. And it doesn't mean that you get the best compliments you're safe no sometimes they compliment those that did not pass the test just to lessen the negativity or discouragement of that person.
this video truly makes me not want to become a trainee but i really want to pursue my dream to become a kpop idol. Hope all of you guys who want to become a kpop idol can become one too
I’m mildly Bored. Apologies. calorie deficit it whats required for weight loss. unless you want to lose an absurd amount of weight in a short amount of time then you would choose a dangerously low kcal consumption like 300
I am a Korean, and I have an older sister who is a trainee in Korea. Of course, to be an idol, you have to be good at dancing and singing. Since there are many aspiring idol groups, it is also true that competition is very fierce. However, it is exaggerated to be so torturous. Most trainees say they are tired but happy to do what they want to do. It's just some small and medium-sized agencies that train in a foreign country like that way. If you think most idols are like that, it's a misunderstanding. I want a lot of people to know about this.
Rosey Teacup In ballet they make us do this. When I was a child too and the adults stand on you. It makes you flexible enough for the rest of the moves to not hurt.
Bari Forever Best if luck to her! I’m Korean too but I hope Korea changes for the better in terms of what they expect of women. I had children I taught while I lived there tell me about plastic surgery they might consider as well as doctors who would basically tell me to get plastic surgery too. Also the 50kg thing needs to stop ASAP
@@tabitha8232 That's crazy, I never had anyone do that to me as a child in ballet lessons. I didn't go to an actual ballet school, but it seems excessive even there...
@Ryan Davidson That's fair. However, being a person who cares about others so much that it's kinda stupid, it hurts me nonetheless when I see her in such pain, especially since I had to deal with that in ballet when I was little, and I know how bad that can be (even if I can only understand that little bit of it) That's all I'm saying. Hearing her scream in so much pain was very difficult to watch for me.
It's the same mentality as inner city youth focusing on basketball, Dominicans with baseball and Russian girls dreaming of ballet. The odds of making it are astronomical and even if you get into the box you are likely to make money and incur debt - but you dream
Well it said she is 24 and joined them a year ago after graduating in linguistics. So I think she made the best of her time up to that point. It would be worse if she was training there for 5 or 6 years already and wouldn't be accepted. Like this she still has other opportunities in other careers.
It takes a decade to become a professional pianist. These kpop kids are just as professional. Some pianists are childhood prodigies. Some come back up later. Some never make it. Some go to law school ot become accountants or teacher or doctors. There is an orthopedic surgeon near me who used to be in a Taiwanese band. I know who he is. The arts is a hard place. Some people are not cut out for it.
@@staceywei that's why I feel it is not okay to train fully so young. If you are 14 and you go to an art high school. U can so that and train on weekend and summer and after school. But full time no education? No way.
Fiona Chen i wanted to train in a company very young since i could improve easily and had more time to practice but thinking about it i don’t want to be treated so badly
Feliday Danica Gemillan conforming to physical abuse isn’t a path anyone should have to be ok with, yes sore muscles, lots of practice, calorie counting is some things that should maybe let slide but that was physical abuse any way you want to put it
bangtansonyeondamn exactly what i was going to say. It’s a gradual (yes. slightly painful) process. but it should never bring you to screaming and tears. Be gentle with your body... and how they pulled her out of it at the end! they were just wanting to tear her muscles
@@stephanieblosser5490 oh my god i know i cringed so hard when they yanked her out of it. i have been a dancer for 22 years and thank god not once has someone forced me into the middle splits like that. its so 80s to do something like that :/
Pushing with a lot of weight could be harmful but you can see in the video she just has one hand on the girl's body so I doubt she's pushing with much force. I think the girl is mostly screaming from the pain of gravity. Partner stretching like this can be very helpful, but I've never screamed from pain before pushing a middle split.
Without water, it’s so easy to get dehydrated and pass out. Water is more important than food, plus it’s so necessary for the body. That’s just sad. Kpop diets aren’t healthy on its own, but this “no water” diet is another level.
When she was pushing down on that girl doing the split, does she even realize how detrimental it could’ve been to that girl physically?! Forcing someone when they’re not flexible and haven’t warmed up is beyond dangerous!
My thigh tendons were damaged because of that. I was learning to dance when I was 11 I guess, and they replaced our regular teacher for a day. I knew kids were running out crying when he did lessons and now I understand why. I still suffer from that and I guess I'll never be graceful in my motions ever again.
My biass! Yes ikr, but when seulgi didn't make it i found it really cutee. Well actually shes so fully capable. Sing? Ofc. Dance? No need to ask. Visual? Bruh i can even turn gay for her
Yuri Katsuki yeah bighit (bts’ company for those who don’t know) aims to change the corruption in the industry that’s why bts doesn’t use media play etc
Yeah, I would prefer to work hard before auditioning to a big company. Because there your sweat and tears are worth it. Plus u don't have to pay the company debt after debuting
It's kind of annoying how so many companies are popping up wanting to train idols and once they debut, they don't have enough money to actually promote them. Training an idol is an investment but if you don't put anything to promote them then they'll dissappear and you'll just keep losing money.
@@ambya6431 every group has to pay the company debt unless they earn so much that the company doesn't care about the debt. Even twice i think they just finished the company's debt around.. Last year(?) But they said it somewhere about getting their first full paycheck
Gummey I’m pretty sure twice paid off their debt within 2 years. I mean they were literally the hottest girl group when tt came out.they had many comebacks in one year, did a lot of promotions and concerts. So it’s impossible that they got their first pay check last year.
A girl “couldn’t even drink water” and another ate so little she thought she was about to die let’s all let that sink in to everyone who thinks KPOP stars and trainees have it easy and now you wish to be them think again we probably couldn’t do what they have put themselves through if this happened to us we’d probably end up fainting regularly and being in the hospital for being underweight and they are happy about it One is even ill and still doesn’t take even a day off for herself this isn’t right It’s so sad
@are you kirring mi irrriya?? Well said!! No chance at glory could ever be worth that level of abuse... *especially* if you have a 98% chance of not making the cut.
the way they test for flexibility skills. it's kinda disturbing. forcing a person who's not flexible can legit kill someone (not really). it's like saying go swim a 50 in 20 secs. Um no it takes practice to do that. You have to warm up and practice to be able to do the splits. god it was horrifying to watch the trainer push her like that
i don’t know much flexibility, but i’m also concerned about her muscles. i’m kinda naturally flexible and can pull off a scorpion, so one time i tried forcing myself to split because i thought i could do it too, but i couldn’t. my muscles hurt so bad and i couldn’t walk. i couldn’t even imagine how that is for her, and she has to practice 24/7 with aching muscles. poor girl.
Lisa's tutoring is normal .Im not even a dancer but I used to practice for a performance at school with my teacher and my teacher is much much worse than her and we are not even dancing that much
She has to be strict. But she’s not like this dance instructor who makes the dancers feel bad about themselves. Lisa gives motivation and wants the dancers to do well and I respect her for that. I wouldn’t mind having her as my dance instructor.
"I worked so hard and yet im still not good enough", broke my heart and i know if i want to become a foreign kpop idol, ill have to do this, yet i've been watching these i've been training, i've searched up beauty tips, im learning korean, and ive done everything in the videos
@@ominkwon6329 Japanese music industry is actually as big as the Korean one. The thing is that Korea focuses on going worldwide while Japan wants to preserve it for their country and doesn't really care about your skills (it depends of which idol company, but most of them doesn't give those kinds of hard trainings)
@@ominkwon6329 Japan actually has a big market, a market that has a stronger and longer history in Asian pop music, that's why even Korean artists have Japanese albums and promotions, but Korea is more international.
I want to become a kpop idol so bad! I know that there will be a lot of difficulties but i am willing to face them one by one, the only problem is that my mom and dad hate the idea and told me i will never do it! Mean..but i respect them-
Just because you teach someone, doesn't mean they'll do it right. It's why they have to evaluate them. It's why teaching is necessary and if you lack, then unfortunately you're cut.
@@lailonithomas6574 That's how my dance teacher was if we were lacking at a performance she would tell us not to hurt us but so we could ask questions and do better
I just can't....I can't believe K-Pop idols had to go through all this... I literally started crying watching this... We should not hate on K-Pop idols, they worked so hard, every one of them went through this... 😭
@Eszra Falcontail I agree, but some people also want to join K-Pop because it's their hobby, or liking. I wouldn't stop them if they can take this extreme training, but the K-Pop industry treats humans like machines, which I hate. I feel like idols should perform of their own free will and not on the leash of their company
@@perfectgamerkitty turning hobbies into work is a big mistake. There are some companies that give adequate freedom to their artists but most are controlling.
Even though I’m a Kpop Fan, I don’t support the way they train idols. I understand they need intense physical training. However, the instructors shouldn’t mentally break the trainees by spewing harsh words such “you don’t deserve to debut”, “you will never be an idol”, etc. These words which may seem to make a person tough, is actually doing the opposite. These trainees have feelings too, and harsh words won’t make them tough, it will hurt them. These painful words we say at another person could lead to their depression, or worse, suicide. These instructors (as well as us) must be mindful of what they say, since words can really affect a person. Yes, these idols need training, but positive reinforcement is the better way to go.
I agree on this on a personal and emotional level. I am diagnosed with Depression, I'm a perfectionist and I don't take harsh criticism very well because I feel like I'm not trying hard enough when I would practically feel like passing out when practicing. When I'm told something harsh, I seem unbothered until I go behind closed doors. I cry until I fall asleep or continue practicing non-stop until I am 100% sure there are NO mistakes. It's extremely difficult to live up to others expectations in idol life and real life in general, however the harsh training doesn't change my mind. I want to be an idol and I won't stop until I achieve it, even if I can't feel my legs by the end of the day.
ThatRandomGirl XP While I don’t have depression, I do have anxiety and it’s the same case for me. Sometimes, people even call me too sensitive and soft hearted, and only by being tough will I survive life. I took it personally and failed to acknowledge my feelings. It was really difficult. But now I’m learning, and I always go by the saying “What hurts you, hurts you.” I hope that you get through whatever you are going. You are not alone :)
I both agree and disagree with this. I know that giving really harsh comments to your trainees is just going to make them think that they're not good enough and will lower their esteem, and it's really seems like an unreasonable way to treat trainees (some of them being like, 15?? Which, if you're gonna give such harsh comments to a 15 year old, that's definitely gonna screw them up), but at the same time, her comments are literally nothing compared to antis, she's also mentally preparing them for the amount of hate they're going to receive after they debut.
Huge Weeb Yup! Feel free to speak your mind :) She could be mentally “preparing” the trainees, but in my opinion, I think she’s preparing them in an improper manner. No one teaches a person how painful getting burned is by burning him/her with fire. Just like that, you shouldn’t prepare a person for harsh remarks by being harsh with him/her. Anyway, thanks for your opinion!
we don't hate them for skinny or fat but the fact is they are untalented singers as well as do cringe dance step which if you use in annual function you will look total Clown more than plastic beauty they don't have anything.
my sister used to do ballet in China at a young age, around 9-10, and she told me her coach would push her down while she was attempting to do the splits. She told me she cried every lesson and screamed and the coach would not stop pushing until she endured a lot of pain already. She said it was like torture, and when she told our mom our mom pulled her out of the program. Asia’s standards are so high and that’s why we moved out of the country to Australia, where I grew up. and not to mention the schools, too. Some students have to return from home at 10pm after studying for hours at school. And even though we return so late and get up so early, we are handed a stack of homework to complete after school, and it is due the next day. They also used to whack students for misbehaving. I’m so glad I didn’t have to endure that torture for as long as my siblings and other people.
@Chuck Nourrizzz there are so many trainees who want to become an idol and to have successful career as idol. It's normal that they compete hard. It's not possible for all the trainees to succeed as idol. To be frank, other domains are not different. You can eanr much money like Bill gates? Is it easy to become a doctor or lawyer who have successful careers in your country? Nobody forced trainees to keep practicing to become an idol. That's their choice. Dreams can't be easily realized.
I felt so bad for her, that I actually messaged her on Instagram and comforted her, she replied and thanked me for her support! Although Im sure she's not with that company any more. I'm happy that she is still doing great! I think she is talented! She even inspires me to never give up a passion! みずほさん頑張ります!
as a teenage girl who is half Korean, my mom sometimes forces me to lose weight and dance alot. i kind of feel relatible with these girls. i'm currently 166cm ( 5'5 ) and 43 kg.
Gacha Sistaz1527 I know you might like KPOP, but to be a star in that field is literal hell... You’re selling your self to a business, the way you eat the way you dress, you wouldn’t live life normally anymore, you’d live like a mindless zombie... They only care for how you look and dance, not so much as music...
it actually depends on your height and how slim you are,, i'm 149 cm and only 30 kg currently.. so,, i don't think they are required to be underweight unless they are taller and being forced to weigh less than 50 kg. so i think the shorter trainees just have it easier.
@@cosmixtsu You're 149cm tall and weigh 30kg? I'm sorry, as much as I want to agree, and granted I don't know your bodytype, age and lifestyle, that's not a healthy weight whatsoever, even for someone who's 149cm tall. Don't want to offend at all, of course, but please don't encourage this lifestyle online. Nevertheless, forcing someone to weigh 50kg no matter their height sounds like something these companies do, especially since most women from these countries tend to be short anyway.
I don't get it either. It's in part a cultural thing. Like look at tiger moms, who pressure their two year olds to be perfect violinists, or how for some traditional japanese jobs as an apprentice you have very long periods of time were you are just supposed to observe the masters, because if you just tried the work yourself it would not come out perfect. I have no idea what philosophy that comes from though.
i've been a kpop fan for a while now and i will never understand, the pressure they put in those artists are just so overwhelming that it gets just pointless
@@YTSuxAxx technically yes, but the only choice they get is “give up your career and restructure your entire life“ or “force yourself through this pointless training.“ Its sort of like saying “its fine if universities beat their students again, if they don't like it, they can leave“, when they really can't because they can't get their job qualifications any other way. It's not really a free choice that way.
@@YTSuxAxx yes but that industry is so good at luring youngsters into their fangs. People want to live a dream that is fake in most cases. They are young and laws don't protect them enough. You may not drink at 18 but sign a 7 year choke contract that will most likely leave you with a large debt. Those contracts should be illegal.
I don’t understand why people treat it like it’s normal. Korean entertainment industry has the worst work environment with tons of scandals. Instead of supporting idols while ignoring their pain, maybe it’s time to regulate the industry so it’s healthier
Not only dance instructors can be harsh, also the photograpers. I remember when Twice's Jihyo in Sixteen was told that she was "too fat" and she was body shamed the entire program and even after debut.
Yeah and JYP sat there and was like Jihyo did great the the other lady next to him says but "shes fat" and he just looked like he was ready to end his life like in the "Did this bitch really just say that shit when God jihyo has all this talent" she was such a rude judge and Jihyo was working so hard as a trainee for 10 years and as we can see so many years later deserves her spot in twice
Maknae Tzuyu Jihyo looked beautiful during SIXTEEN and she looks more beautiful even now. Her talents and the way she spoke was what made her so special. Once Unite!
this video is a bit disheartening but it's the harsh reality of what idols have to go through. some of them have even gotten treated worse than this. i feel bad for mizuho but i'm glad that this video exists. i see a lot of young kpop fans who dream of becoming just like their favorite idols and they think it's as easy as just passing the audition and becoming a trainee. they have skewed images of what it means to be an idol. they only see the glitz and glam side that idols show on stage without knowing (and sometimes not caring) about the darker side, the side where they have to starve themselves and practice all day, only to be told they aren't good enough. or when their emotional, mental, and physical health deteriorates because of all the stress and pressure that comes with it. they have to go through all this and there's not even a guarantee that they'll get anywhere. it just really pains me when i see people talk about wanting to become idols because a lot of them don't know the half of what that really means. it's okay to have dreams and i definitely encourage you to, but i hope those that are considering venturing into this career will reconsider. please do your research and take your time understanding the requirements and risks associated with being a kpop idol. just stay safe and good luck ♡
I am glad you took your time to write. But you still people can be K-pop idols I don't know whether you know about Z-pop . Z-pop is similar to K-pop but they are not harsh on their idols they don't starve them and the most amazing thing about them is that they accept every skin colour, every body type and every nationalities also it's a new pop who started their first batch of Z-pop idols in 2019. So those who plan for being a K-pop idol can audition in Z-pop . And I know that Z-pop treats their idols way better than this because I've been seeing them from a. Long time and watching their videos also the idols are allowed to be friends with the opposite gender. Secondly it's emergimg and it needs idols so talented teens or people can go audition for Z-pop. Thirdly if not Z-pop then you can just learn Korean upload cover songs on RUclips and you'll get what you desire for because RUclips is a transparent form to represent your talent so you'll get justice there eventually
Which is why I probably won’t be auditioning for any k-pop companies, my sister actually recommended me to audition for z-pop since her friend passed it and they are not treating her badly at all, i think one of the groups are call z-girls and the Indian girl only had to train for a few months so I think you do have a chance of debuting, i don’t want to be a kpop idol but I don’t wanna crush my dreams either so here I am
Yashvi Savla i did submit one to jyp but they never replied, ive been wondering if i should audition for sm or not, I mean I have the guts but im scared i will just quit after a few years or months.
Got to appreciate how hard these people work to make their dreams come true. The kpop idols who are successful now have gone through a lot to get to where they are.
Actually, being kicked out of this company would be a miracle for these girls.
Not at all i guess.. If it's your dream and you didn't succeed it.. It's actually sucks.
@@shuyaminosmaid the person said THIS company, they didn't mention another/other companies.
@@thatoneravenclaw417 but it's hard to get into any company, they need to work with what they have or they can go and find other job which is hard for most families in Korea
You've got a point
that is what I thought
omg her screams were so full of pain and suffering, I can’t believe they have to endure this stuff, I feel ill hearing and seeing them force her into a split and then celebrating being underweight
i know. its sickening. companies like that should be put out of business. its inhumane
Lucy Link I got so mad when the girl that was pushing her down said ''Hey I'm not even pushing you. Why are you crying?'' and then said a few seconds later ''go down lower!'' can't they see she can't and it hurts like what is wrong with them and I felt so bad I even started crying when they started celebrating they were underweight
@@spookyscarycorpse2969 that's normal (??) I take karate classes and i have to do the same so I can be more flexible and when one of us cries they push us harder to the floor ( until our knot of the belt is on the floor)
@@filipa3303 I kinda think that part wasn't as bad too. I am doing gymnastics and yes it hurts to stretch like that. But when you push through the pain, that's when you will notice progress in your flexibility. It looks awful but I have seen ballet or gymnastics coaches do worse stuff.
@@Meyb4l EXACTLYY, I think everyone here is overreacting. It's normal especially if you are a dancer lmao
I feel bad for the the girl who started crying she was in so much pain.
Yeah this is so sad
Yeah she learned so much for nothing. Hope she finds a better agency or a new career.
True
Me too😔
Manisha Bhaittrai With the agency it’s basically a whole team, who publishes the music and gives themes and what not. Even in holly wood to get famous you need to have a label to publish the music. Without an agency or team you might not be successful, at least in Korea. In the US idk
“She’s dancing like an elementary school student”
She was dancing better than I ever did in elementary
The way the judge would straight up go like ''u suck:D'' ....
she was dancing better than I do and I'm in highschool
God loves you! You can repent and believe that Jesus paid the price for our sins! Because He can give you so much love, joy and peace! God bless you
I’m conflicted. I like a lot of K-Pop, but I absolutely hate how the industry treats their trainees and idols.
That's why idol's and trainee's deserve respect, we have to support them because their the ones who are putting all the work in, they're the ones who are sacrificing youth and freedom, we have to treat them with compassion, and maybe in the future when Kpop gains more exposure in the western, companies can change too.
Some company are sh*t really
cherry blossom are you kidding? They’re being forced into doing this.. the only people disrespecting them are those that make them do this and those that glorify celebrity culture.. the world doesn’t need a million Disney-style performers but hey if there’s money to make then you can be certain that someone is taking advantage of these young people
I know, I think it’s quite sad really. People shouldn’t need to suffer this much to be happy. I mean gosh yeah they’re beautiful and I really like how they look, but I would never do that cause I think u should love yourself. And if you wanna become a famous singer there are others ways,
I mean, look at Adele she doesn’t have a perfect body or anything but me and a huge amount of people love her for her voice and creative ideas. Or even Billie Eilish. She’s my favorite artist for her voice and songs and the fact that she is not perfect and has her own problems and that she is super honest about it just makes me admire her more.
It’s also so sad when you realise how little money they get from it. I remember a while ago seeing the breakdown of SM Entertainment’s income, and I can’t remember seeing a good amount going to the idols. Some amazing music and talent comes out of Kpop, but it is heartbreaking knowing what harsh treatment is behind it all. There’s so much that we don’t see that goes on behind it all, and I understand that there is bad in many industries across the world, but things hit harder when you see or hear of it - it really brings it back to reality. I wish people could do what they love with the talent they have, and not be pushed over the brink to fit a particular structure or mould. It’s like some forget that they are people and not just idols to be trained and make a name of the companies.
And this is just what they allowed to be shown on camera. Imagine what goes on behind the scenes.
Jeez K-pop sometimes can be quite mysterious
Dumb and stupid....is it worth it ?? Don't think so......on top of that most will go for plastic surgeries........they don't look natural selves.......hair colours and so on....... it's sad they 're so insecure with themselves .and that lead to all others.......tq
Shirley Cameron dont say dumb and stupid. It’s really disgraceful. Koreans have insecurities that they would change anything to make their insecurities patched up.
Shirley Cameron k firstly, it’s not dumb and stupid if being an idol is really what they want. There’s a lot of pressure, of course, and they are overworked, but when they debut, they’re happy. Secondly, the different hair colours are the concepts for the songs and albums. No one is being tortured with hair dye, it’s not a bad thing despite dying hair endlessly will damage their natural hair. Lastly, most of them go through hard times. It’s a lot of pressure being a trainee and hard work must be put into it. Although some are insecure, many are confident and they encourage others. Being insecure doesn’t lead others into being insecure.
Shirley Cameron you probably don’t think it’s worth the hard work because being an idol isn’t your dream. But many young people are happy when they sing, dance, and perform. The job that you want, the dream that you want, what you want to do in life, are you willing to work hard for it? If you are, then you’re just like those trainees. They think it’s worth it because they’re grasping at their dreams, and you will too, when you’re in the process of grabbing ahold of your dream
i used to get insecure by looking at all these kpop idols on instagram.
they all seemed so perfect, beautiful, skinny, talented and extremely happy. but nobody knows what they have to sacrifice in order to maintain this lifestyle.
Illusion. It's all a careful illusion.
Crimson Riot Yes, there will always be people who have it worse. But does that change the fact that they are suffering as well? Seriously, it's hella annoying when you put out a problem and someone goes: "YEAH, bUT thErE ARe PeOPLe ThAT-"
YES, I KNOW. BUT A PROBLEM IS A PROBLEM. Go be stupid somewhere else -.-
I am a teen and I think I'm underweight cuz I'm the only girl that is 30++ kilogrammes
@Crimson Riot this isn't a competition about who has it worse sis.
@Crimson Riot I'm pretty sure that you shouldn't compare sufferings with one thing and another. A suffering is a suffering. If you get your entire limb fractured versus having a nail ripped off, would you say you can only complain about one of them? That's stupid.
The text saying "Some trainees can remain in entertainment agencies for years...and never end up debuting." displayed over the cheering fans...it's absolutely chilling
Imagine dedicating yourself for years of this grueling training only to be rejected, your dreams crushed and with nothing to show for all the hard work.
It seems to me that they deliberately keep the trainees on the courses, even if they know that they have no chance on the market. This only generates more money for these companies (which I think are dubious when I see what's in the documentary).
Well, that’s the same risk for any trainee performing artist, athlete, medical student, etc. There are no guarantees despite the investment of time, money, and passion. 🤷🏼♀️
I also just realized this is what Star Road ALLOWED to be filmed, I can only imagine what they do and say to trainees off camera
Omg i just thought about it ,
Dang...
Exact..!
Oh my gosh...
No thanksss
The judge's words and their pressures... might be even worst while the camera off.
^^^^^
facts
my friend is a kpop trainee at kq (ateez's management company) and he said it's not as bad as the girls :/ (he texts me occasionally)
i have turned gay from eunwoo omg that’s heartbreaking
@@TheNuvia1210 idk if this is true or not but he says that some entertainment companies are more biased towards male trainees compared to female trainees
the dance teacher didnt even give good feedback she just constantly told them they sucked
@@tanayaghosh8088 good luck i hope u make it ☺️
@@tanayaghosh8088 I really hope you do good💛 all the love💛
@@tanayaghosh8088 good luck!
@@tanayaghosh8088 good luck
@@jellyfishi_ I understand where you’re coming from and how it can be perceived that way however her job was to help them improve on their dance and vocals. It may be the company’s job to prepare them to be idols and achieve that status but like I said in my comment she didn’t say anything about what they could improve on to become the best kpop idol they could be. I respect your opinion and in no way do I mean to offend you or come off as rude. This is just my view of it ☺️
As someone who did ballet. Yes pushing a person down for splits is a thing but WITHIN REASON! Yes we push splits down because it is ballet but we also DONT WANT TO HURT THEM! If the dancer is screaming out of pain YOU STOP! You do it again later in their own pace that doesn’t damage the dancer! The way the instructor literally dragged Mizuho could damage her ham strings and damage her leg muscles! This can even lead to permanent damage! Yes push your dancers for them to become better. But not in the method where it physically damages them! Also emotionally too! This is disgusting.
Exactly! I'm not a dancer; I'm a classically trained singer, but it's the same with us...We never push the voice beyond what it can handle. If you feel pain, it means something is wrong and forcing yourself to sing in such a way can lead to permanent damage.
Our bodies are our instruments. We have to treat it with respect.
Exactly I’m a figure skater, and the entire point of pushing someone in the splits in to feel a deeper stretch and get slightly farther down than last time. Not to push so hard someone cries.
Fr.. this really disturbed me. I didn't want to be a kpop idol before and I definitely don't now.
They were rushed, that's all. Yes, it's bad, but I think they simply had no time to do it at her own pace. She "should have" been more prepared and started training to do the splits before she even auditioned. Before you roast me, I'm not saying this is right, I'm saying this is how it is for trainees. It's really sad, awful, and I can't believe it's still like this. It's been 5 years since this video was uploaded.. things are only getting worse for trainees and idols now with idols debuting as young as 13. Unbelievable..
@ oh yeah I totally agree, their health must always be a priority
“I worked so hard and yet I’m still not good enough.” my heart broke for her, poor girl :((( I’m tearing up
Mizyo Yanchan do you have a link i cant find her channel
@@adre.grace1 ruclips.net/channel/UCrdJwSCa8dcybT6bTrgj6Dg this is her channel
yea me too😭
Phew
i havent got to the part yet and im tearing up reading the comment
I don't understand, she was the only one praised, and the only one who didn't make it.
I think it’s buttering her up before they dish out the real punishment which is kicking her from the debut. It’s to soften the blow when she realizes she’s the only one that won’t make it.
I think they also did it on purpose for the other girls. They knew she wasn't going to cut it, and praised her while belittling the ones who did. A bit of manipulation. 'Oh look, she did great but she was cut, I have to work harder and be better than her so that they don't kick me out.'
@@liliaalvarado7040 that way of thinking is really smart
Lilia Alvarado I agree with you but I also think that it’s saying even if they are praised and do good it doesn’t always guaranteed that they’ll
1. Debut
2. Be successful
3. Wont regret it later
And much more despite their hard work
Hmmm ur right
Update on what happen on Mizuho:
She did not debut and has her own RUclips channel 😊
I think i saw your account before in spill tea chanel lmao
I hope she debuts soon! She seems like a wonderful girl and I'd like to see more of her.
someone just fuckin save her from that shit hole omfg the entire kpop community is fucked.... she doesn’t deserve ever this, neither does any idol and trainee
I'll Stan her
What company is it?
Honestly being a kpop idol seems like hell. I’m a kpop stan (stay) but like I can never imagine what kpop idols go through and go maybe not even debut in the end. It looks like just straight up hell
plus you don’t get paid at all unless you repay all the debt you owe to your company for training.. so you’re also broke
If Mizuho ends of debuting somewhere, I WILL STAN!
SAME!!! I think Mizuho is really pretty and is also really talented. Like LOOK AT HER she danced for only one year and she's better than some people who danced like for years.
YOU MEAN WE WILL STAN
YES!
If anyone knows if she has any social media...
@@emmmmz yh
All of these women are better than that company.
What a joke lol
@@Mochi-ot7kq you are a joke yourself
Agree🤧
난코 agreed
@ღAsel Secret Angelღ not as bad here
It’s okay if you’re not flexible. Not every idol is flexible such as Nayeon from Twice. Why they pushed the girls too hard ? 😔
i mean it could be to make the company more known, like if they're flexible people are like "oh did you see this idol that is so flexible?" kinda like that
They'll be singing and dancing for quite an amount of time per day, if you're not flexible then you'll get stiffer and stiffer which can affect your performance on stage.. if you dont have charm/charisma then the only thing you can rely on is your performance
Agree!
That was terrifying. Little by little let her go down and be flexible. I mean she screamed and cried. Also said it hurt a lot😥
The fans will notice and bitch about it
when i was younger, i always wanted to be a kpop idol. i would always push myself to go through the diets that they went through, training myself like how they did. but it was so hard, too hard for me. the idols that are idols now are so strong to endure the pain they went/go through.
Same, I always wanted to be as pretty as these idols. I always do diets but it's too much. I can't live with only a salad a day🫠
"I eat 300 calories a day."
But an average woman needs about 2000 calories to sustain her weight......tf????
I ate 300 calories too when i had an eating disorder...lost 1 kg everyday it‘s super dangerous and unhealthy i feel sad they get forced to do it...
2000??? It’s not 1000?
I just go crazy with mine sometimes it's 200 calories sometimes it's 2000 calories
키미
I eat 1200 to 1300 a day, is that enough?
「 Meisai 」 it’s sad, she’s literally in her mid-twenties
Forcing a split is terribly really really bad you can rip/stretch your skin on the inner thigh also your muscles and joints can be risked of injury so overall never force a split or push someone further down what they can do it enough
Yeah ;-;
itz_Sarina Seachells did you have someone help you or did u do it yourself? I'm trying to imagine someone doing it to themself lol
Jimin Got Jams a similar situation happened at my school a boy at my school wanted to do the splits and someone forced him into the splits and he had to go to hospital
How else will I be able to pass tryout if I don’t force myself
I had to stretch for months to get my splits. I know that for forcing it is the worst idea!
i understand the teacher was just giving feedback and all that, but she doesnt need to say "i'll kick you instead" like wtf
Unlike her, Lisa is the perfect dance teacher because her technique and way of teaching is far better. She points out the trainee's problems correctly and is not over the top, which is certainly why the trainees like her. She also understands their feelings and try to help them.
@@iisimplyamy8031 I get what you're tryna say but why bringing up Lisa? No one asked.
@@myheartwillstopinjoy8142 well, Lisa is a dance instructor and played that role in a tv show so i brought her up
@@iisimplyamy8031 oh I didn't know sorry
@@iisimplyamy8031 no one cares about Lisa here. This has nothing to do with her.
Guys I have seen many of you have commented that you wanna debut as a kpop idol. Think twice why you wanna become an idol? Just because your role model is also a kpop idol? Or you're into kpop? Or what?? Please don't change yourself, your own self because you love kpop idols. You don't need to copy them. Just get your dream job and work for it. Trust me you'll definitely become happy at the end! Be who you really are! You deserve the success
Hey I saw this comment and I do want to be a Kpop idol and will be auditing in a year or two during those times I will practice also I have thinked twice about it and I'm 1000% sure I want to be a Kpop idol I already have everything planned if I don't make one company, I'll keep trying, I don't want to give up it's my dream not because my favourite idols are one but because dancing and singing have always been a big part of me I have been on stage before and I really liked it and that has made me want to do this dream I know I will be successful I have a good luck feeling, I know I will make one of the companys. Sorry for being so late but I kinda want to talk about it
@@UsergoingthroughitThat's the spirit... God tests us before giving our dream... Just be persistent... Don't let anyone stop you from achieving your dreams... Just find a good company for yourself like jyp, hybe, kq ent I hope you keep improving every day... All the best 👍
@@Usergoingthroughit Well I hope you make it!🤗🙏
Sometimes I wonder if they are training to be Idols or Shaolin Warrior Monks. Their Trainee life is so BRUTAL! 😣
They are basically toturing the trainees
They are training shaolin warrior monks but must dance and sing or even rap
@@user-lb5vs2cv2v also must have special talent and lots of aegyo in order to survive
@@EthosMusicOnly zzz, even animals were treated nicely than these trainee. I don't see why I should support K-pop
@@Skinnypole_clara
You don't have to support kpop. Dunno where you came up with that, but why the fuck u comparing animals to humans?They are both completely different. Yes, animals get treated nicely. But when they're out in the wild, they worry about the food chain. Animals dont have it easy.
appreciate your idols y’all they worked really hard. harder than you thought.
It shouldn't be that hard ya know and brutal
Ir dont stan any if your okay with them being tortured it's your choice. Many of us think talent takes time but shouldn't be so brutal and forced. And they barely make money even after they debut only the most successful ones do.
True! Thats why I go full beast on mode when them MF haters start trolling my girl Lisa!! Y’all not messing with that girl ima bazooka you lol 😂
Farah Arifah yess
@Claire S I mean I wouldnt support any. Until they make changes to how they treat idols form the goverment. I dont buy anything that belong to any group even if I like them. Because clearly that money wont go into supporting the idols. Remember tvxq they were so successful but then they sued their company cuz they barly made any money.
Its until they respect their artist that I'll support I.e. stan them. And let's not forget most those trainees are kids and imagine them treating kids like that? Its child abuse and their okay with that.
Korean obsess with under 50. Its stupid. People bones and musce are different. It all counts in the weight
That's why this industry should end
@@YTworld-69 It's not every agency that does that, though. Sure, this agency should go into the gutter, but many agencies(not just bighit and blockberry) treat their trainees well, or if not well, then better than this.
@@cloudedcamera2089 Do you know any female above 50-53 ? If no, then yes every agencies are like that.
@@maximelover3314 I meant the exacting weight bar. And seeing as I do not stalk female idols to find out their weight, I do not in fact know a female idol who weighs more than myself.
Vortex
...you're basically telling a whole country to stop making music lol
Many foreigners want to become idols, but in Korea, when selecting foreign idols, most Asian people are cast (Japanese and Chinese), or if they are Korean like Rosé, but their nationality is New Zealand. In Thailand, people with white faces are usually cast. (Minnie, Lisa, for example) And mixed blood is possible. It is actually difficult to debut as an idol in Korea unless you are particularly good at singing. You have to be fluent in Korean. There are many people who want to be an idol in Korea, so it is highly competitive.This is the reality
actually a little correction, in thailand its people with chinese descent that are mostly casted. Native thais are rare
They damn near almost broke her legs at the beginning
Aah don't even reamind me of that! I could't even watch that..
u should see how chinese kids get trained for olympics
@@AnimationAirlines omg yes I saw! They force them aswell they even cry its awful!
I can tell by her scream..it sounded like she is in pain
Ikr i felt her AGH I WANNA JUST COMPLAIN TO THEIR AGENCY AND FIRE HER but i cant ..... why
.. IM A FRIKIN 11 YEAR OLD
And imagine after all this training and you managed to debut, but in a few years, the hard work might just go to waste after disbanding
RM's moonchild yeah or u don’t get properly recognised and promoted and thus ur group becomes a nobody in the kpop industry... not only do u need to get past the stage of debuting but also continuing to work hard to attain success. I always pity and feel bad for many idols 😓
not really tho if you did work really hard and did a contribution to all of the kpop industry, although doing that is very hard and its very unlikely to happen (use bts,and other famous groups for an example, i bet they won't be forgotten. but they did work really hard)
but imo, its easier to get richer by working in a idol agency or making an idol agency then being the actual idol
I hope she has a backup plan
@@gawkygawk6396 idk how hard bp worked, if they didn't debut in yg...
@@gawkygawk6396 the percent to get success is still low, and you still have to fight with many people just to get debut
So i hope if anyone who dream to be in this industry have a back up plan
god r they training for gymnastics or singers
singers
@@bren8926 and why do they have to do Splits?👀
@@bren8926 I don't think you understood the sarcasm in this comment.
@@bren8926 whoooosh
Both
omg this breaks my heart. Like when yeonjun from TXT cried telling we debuted I always thought like "yeah you debuted why do you have to cry". But now I know... Its insane how they work so hard for YEARS but still not debut.
This is so horrible. I like don’t even know what to say. The judges treat them like dog shit. I can’t believe her judgement was the kindest and they still kicked her out.
vhope trash Ikr
vhope trash hate to say it but it’s probably because she’s Japanese. Companies (especially ones that treat ALL of their idols badly) are usually especially cruel to foreign/non-Korean idols. It’s always happening, even in big companies (coughSMcough). It’s horrible but usually true.
@@yourhope5410 jyp has loads of trainees from over contries and theyre treated the same i think
ive got jimins jams that’s cuz JYP is the best of the Big3 (JYP, SM and YG). They’ve got issues but in my opinion yg and sm are a lot worse, although I do like many artists from these companies I don’t like the companies themselves.
Wen hui I like your attitude
5’0 weight
Yeah it's absolutely disgusting
Pretty sure you have to be a certain height aswell to be in the industry so the weight requirement is actually not indiscriminate
Starvation at its finest
@@dngrouscrgo I mean there's a girl in IZ*ONE that's 4'9"
I’m freaking 5’10 if I was fucking 50kg I’d be looking so damn anorexic 🤦🏾♀️
why did the DANCE TEACHER critique the trainee’s vocals??? thats for the VOCAL TRAINER to do, she has no experience with singing and shouldn’t be qualified to tell them how to sing
Maybe she has experience so don't judge when u don't know.
@@loonaroaches even if she did have experience i don't think it would be okay to shit on the trainee's vocals and not give them critique to improve their singing.
@@moonlitgalaxy5940 Learning to take criticism is a big part in life.
Magnaut Sana criticism isn’t only pointing out flaws, its also about giving advice to improve on those flaws. i do agree that being able to take criticism is a big part of life, and these girls are taking it well. however the trainer isn’t giving advice at all and solely telling them what they’re doing wrong - in a very harsh manner. if it is criticism, it’s not very good criticism
@*화월6446 i never said kpop trainers were idiots, i was pointing out the fact that the dance trainer was giving the trainees harsh "critique" on their singing - something she probably, if we're being honest, has little experience of training. therefore, it shouldn't be right that she's the one to give them critique on their singing
Every time I want to become a K-pop idol I come back to this same video
This is terrible and the dance teacher is absolutely awful. Her approach is not productive nor constructive.
And not the good kind
She's just doing her job.
Mizyo Yanchan
Its 채 널 미죠 미 죠
many are far worse
Wonder how she got the Position...
What does flexibility have to do with being an idol?? Some idols like seulgi are not flexible but they still can do well as an idol.
i think it’s just part of their evaluation, like it’s not THE most important thing but they still get tested
That's right 😂 I still remember how seulgi did splits 😂
I think it's because they're such a small company that they want their idols to be good at EVERYTHING so they don't fail, because they're already doomed to fail
Flexibility is better for dance and reduces injuries. Amber did say it was a basic for girl groups. Splits are something you can work at and train for so its just another obstacle for picking out the most determined as well. It's like asking why you must take physics to graduate when you dont use it in daily life.
cuz even Seulgi cant do split, she's a perfect idol already
I don't like how they treat their trainees especially females..
would that be okay if they were males?
wachotraefernet that’s not it they put more pressure on the females because in Korea and most asian countries the standards for females are much higher then males
@@wachotraefernet It OFC would not have been OK.. I said especially females... It mostly because they have high standards... In Korea and companies are much brutal towards the female trainees than the male... You can see in the video at the beginning... Her scream... She looked in so much pain.... :(
wachotraefernet you took that way out of context dude
Yes they are like disrespecting them
being JUST a trainee isn't easy but everyone takes risk for the sake of their dreams
there isn't a problem of being strict but telling them these words: "i'll kick you out instead", "i won't let you debut" "you make my ears hurt" hurts like hell bruh.
but the people in the comments saying this are met by immense hate telling that she is a dance teacher and whatnot, giving constructive criticism is what she should be doing, but instead she is abusing her with words. Imagine if the trainee was seriously hurt when they forced her to the splits, like gurl that's not how it works, you can't force yourself to do things like that, you are either born with it, or you slowly adapt to it, get it straight. I got so pissed 😤
I would've cried
I would've insult her
@@xannity7969 lol. that's too much.
@@Sapphiredrawing bro we are same
Her: I only ate 300 calories a day
Me: The air I breathe is 300 calories
Sameeee
Hahahahah
Same.... hahahahah.......hah................*cries*
Waldel Martell how much is normal? Because I personally have only been eating 100-900 calories a day for like two years
@@aalex006 Omg- thats kind of low I think its supposed to be 2000 calories but...depends on age I guess
*“ I'll not let you debut. I'll kick you out instead"*
Sis that's terrifying
For real, that was so fucking rude.
Tbh, its more rude than my mom. *Really.*
@@eniks6607 my mom like that tho :v
Just show how tough this industry is. People are literally clawing each other out for debut.
Just get other job
The fact that the first few seconds were allowed to be on the internet says that they do something worse off camera.
Anyway, Miss Mizuho is doing fine now. Apparently, in 2021 she was on a vacation in Spain
Trainee: *literally almost died*
Judge: " I want a refund"
*Japanese trainee that only starts being trainee a year ago:
K-pop is Cancer
@sebbspato2 Most of them are like that though...sadly
Either she didn't know the training they get through, or she didn't give an eff about it.
@@grazisamor1991 nah its company differences. If the company is powerful and famous its guarantee sucess.
this is so interesting. id love to see a whole documentary bout this sort of thing following a trainee for a long period of time.
there actually is, it used to be on netflix which is how i found it but i believe it was removed, you can still find it on youtube if you search 9 muses of star empire bbc
mimi rose thank you 🙏🏽
If you know literally nothing about what goes on in these asian countries when it comes to being an idol, I suggest you watch Perfect Blue, there’s a lot of similarities between korea and japan
@@spicyvro perfect blue is deadass my favorite movie ever but i don't think it helps anyone to understand how being an idol works? satoshi kon just used the idol theme in a fantasious, psychological horror movie and let's be honest mima isn't even an idol through the whole movie since she ditches her idol life since the beginning to become an actress so it doesn't really cover any aspects of an idol life, let alone a trainee one
a lot of companies have a contract with the trainee or idol stating that they cant say certain stuff about certain things so i lowkey think that would be difficult to work out
She got the best feedback but she was the one who got kicked out??? Tf???
probably because she was older than the others (24), i heard sori also couldn't debut with yg (i think) because she's almost 30. But who knows, i hope she does get to debut i would totally stan her
I knowww that's were I really got confused
we only heard one other persons feedback. maybe the others were really good
I think if you're a trainee you need to have the talent and skills not just knowledge on how to dance and perform because companies have high ideal standards that you need to keep up and they are not thinking twice whether they'll pick you because they are always looking for the best. It's harsh but that's reality. And it doesn't mean that you get the best compliments you're safe no sometimes they compliment those that did not pass the test just to lessen the negativity or discouragement of that person.
I was thinking if the same.
this video truly makes me not want to become a trainee but i really want to pursue my dream to become a kpop idol.
Hope all of you guys who want to become a kpop idol can become one too
300 calories a day are you asking then to die ?? thats legit one slice of pizza.
plus the amount of dancing she does would probably burn all those calories up to rather like negative calories a day
Well, her goal (sadly) is to lose weight...
Them*
I’m mildly Bored. Apologies. calorie deficit it whats required for weight loss. unless you want to lose an absurd amount of weight in a short amount of time then you would choose a dangerously low kcal consumption like 300
Blackpink Lisa weighs 98.5 pounds, at the height she is rn, how much she weighs isn’t good for her.
"SOME TRAINEES REMAIN IN ENTERTAINMENT AGENCIES FOR YEARS AND NEVER END UP DEBUTING"
This breaks my heart💔
😔 and I be so confused and this one dude was so good he debuted in 1 week
im trying to become a trainee. sooo...
@@bubble-pop2163 same
@@bubble-pop2163 I legit planned my whole life out without my parents knowing
@@BunEsub i am planning but i will go for p nation and rbw only
as a person that has trained in gymnastics and contortion for years, her split was defiantly not safe. She could have broke her uterus
@Mažas Bebras Just go until you feel it. DOn't push till it hurts
That is so terrifying and sent shivers down my spine..
Same, i do contortion
@Mažas Bebras don’t do that, you can actually break your uterus and that’ll be worse than not being able to do it.
It may have just been me but I thought I heard a crack as she was trying to go lower. Was it just me????😬😬😬😖
The good thing is “star road”, is now closed officially because of the strict and crazy stuff that occurs there and more.
Hearing her scream like that made me cry...my thoughts are with any and all kpop trainees out there
I am a Korean, and I have an older sister who is a trainee in Korea. Of course, to be an idol, you have to be good at dancing and singing. Since there are many aspiring idol groups, it is also true that competition is very fierce. However, it is exaggerated to be so torturous. Most trainees say they are tired but happy to do what they want to do. It's just some small and medium-sized agencies that train in a foreign country like that way. If you think most idols are like that, it's a misunderstanding. I want a lot of people to know about this.
Rosey Teacup
In ballet they make us do this. When I was a child too and the adults stand on you. It makes you flexible enough for the rest of the moves to not hurt.
Bari Forever Best if luck to her! I’m Korean too but I hope Korea changes for the better in terms of what they expect of women. I had children I taught while I lived there tell me about plastic surgery they might consider as well as doctors who would basically tell me to get plastic surgery too. Also the 50kg thing needs to stop ASAP
@@tabitha8232 That's crazy, I never had anyone do that to me as a child in ballet lessons. I didn't go to an actual ballet school, but it seems excessive even there...
@Ryan Davidson That's fair. However, being a person who cares about others so much that it's kinda stupid, it hurts me nonetheless when I see her in such pain, especially since I had to deal with that in ballet when I was little, and I know how bad that can be (even if I can only understand that little bit of it) That's all I'm saying. Hearing her scream in so much pain was very difficult to watch for me.
i DO NOT like the dance teacher.
I want to slap her.
Mar K same
Look up bitch in the dictionary you’ll see a picture of her.
1 like 1 slap to them.
same.
star road? never heard about them.
*watch the video*
ooh..that's why i never heard about them.
Star Road? Yeah Ive never heard of them Either
At first i thought it was starship ...
Kenapa aku ribet2 pake baing wkwk, maaf baingku gabagus, star road mah agensinya kentaaaa, sekarang kenta jbj95 sama sanggyun bukan sih, lupaa
😂
me too
The first clip was literally physical abuse and the dance instructor is a professional bully
What’s the point of becoming a Kpop idol trainee? Even if you get to debut, you will still suffer to pay the company debts.
It's the same mentality as inner city youth focusing on basketball, Dominicans with baseball and Russian girls dreaming of ballet. The odds of making it are astronomical and even if you get into the box you are likely to make money and incur debt - but you dream
It depends
The big three company will treat you well
@@priabernamadimas So will most bigger companies
@@priabernamadimas lmao, not so much with SM. And YG is on their break of downfall rn since their artist's scandals
heyyaa wait what why do u have to pay them?
The fact at 6:18 makes me feel so bad because I can’t imagine spending my whole life, dedicating to all that hard work, only to not debut at all..
Well it said she is 24 and joined them a year ago after graduating in linguistics. So I think she made the best of her time up to that point. It would be worse if she was training there for 5 or 6 years already and wouldn't be accepted. Like this she still has other opportunities in other careers.
G.soul spent 15 years under JYP. G dragon spent 5 years in SM then moved to YG and trained for 6 years. Jihyo from Twice spent 10 years under JYP.
It takes a decade to become a professional pianist. These kpop kids are just as professional. Some pianists are childhood prodigies. Some come back up later. Some never make it. Some go to law school ot become accountants or teacher or doctors. There is an orthopedic surgeon near me who used to be in a Taiwanese band. I know who he is. The arts is a hard place. Some people are not cut out for it.
@@staceywei that's why I feel it is not okay to train fully so young. If you are 14 and you go to an art high school. U can so that and train on weekend and summer and after school. But full time no education? No way.
Fiona Chen i wanted to train in a company very young since i could improve easily and had more time to practice but thinking about it i don’t want to be treated so badly
Forcing someone to do the splits who isn’t that flexible is brutal.
It’s like telling somebody to swim when they don’t know how to-
They audition for the exchange of fame for their dreams as the consequences they have to accept their path as a trainee..
Feliday Danica Gemillan conforming to physical abuse isn’t a path anyone should have to be ok with, yes sore muscles, lots of practice, calorie counting is some things that should maybe let slide but that was physical abuse any way you want to put it
@@ms.ariesintrovert1359 tbh. It's not all about the fame.....
I understanded that sentence you said at the end...
So I guess ur saying my family’s brutal- for forcing me to swim when I can’t and haven’t took any clases and always comparing me to my cousin-
K-pop Idols are the most hardworking one..they literally deserve lots of respect and love ❤️
kids that is NOT the way to get your splits lower. it IS however a good way to tear your inner thigh muscles
bangtansonyeondamn exactly what i was going to say. It’s a gradual (yes. slightly painful) process. but it should never bring you to screaming and tears. Be gentle with your body... and how they pulled her out of it at the end! they were just wanting to tear her muscles
@@stephanieblosser5490 oh my god i know i cringed so hard when they yanked her out of it. i have been a dancer for 22 years and thank god not once has someone forced me into the middle splits like that. its so 80s to do something like that :/
I know haven't done cheerleading in years but that is a BIG no no
Pushing with a lot of weight could be harmful but you can see in the video she just has one hand on the girl's body so I doubt she's pushing with much force. I think the girl is mostly screaming from the pain of gravity. Partner stretching like this can be very helpful, but I've never screamed from pain before pushing a middle split.
Stephanie Blosser I’m pretty sure it was another trainee that pulled her out of the position thinking she was helping her :(
“I COUDNT EVEN DRINK WATER” Omg thats too far ..
Eun Kyung TV! Yeah that’s too far
ikr! jimin from bts (bighit company) had a water diet, bighit still let him drink water.. Thats too far
Without water, it’s so easy to get dehydrated and pass out. Water is more important than food, plus it’s so necessary for the body. That’s just sad. Kpop diets aren’t healthy on its own, but this “no water” diet is another level.
The fact that they do a lot of physical work like hard dancing just makes it worse.
Water has no calories and helps you lose weight....
THAT MAKES NO SENSE 😂
When she was pushing down on that girl doing the split, does she even realize how detrimental it could’ve been to that girl physically?! Forcing someone when they’re not flexible and haven’t warmed up is beyond dangerous!
And how the other trainer pulled her?! That is just horrible!
My thigh tendons were damaged because of that. I was learning to dance when I was 11 I guess, and they replaced our regular teacher for a day. I knew kids were running out crying when he did lessons and now I understand why. I still suffer from that and I guess I'll never be graceful in my motions ever again.
I *was* a gymnast and we always do that when I was still new. It really hurts like heck.
That’s just how it is in Asia. It’s horrible yes but that’s just how it b.
Pretty sure someone got paralysed from the waist down doing that...
I just checked her instagram, she commented this in her old posts:
"I'm not a poor girl, nor was I abused.Please don't misunderstand.Thank you."
What's her username of Instagram??
What's her ig?
@@diddi153 I think u search her real name cause I already forgotten lol
First step to be a KPop Idol :
"Think twice!"
which Twice?
Syamil Muharror twice as in 2 times lol or maybe just a word pun
@@meraculin Think twice before you decide to be a KPop idol.
@@sammyeatchips Yes it is. LoL
Twice is famous tho
The teacher herself is emotionless and she's saying that Minzho have no emotion...RUDE!
i know, even when she is upset she shows no emotion i-
The teacher isn't the one who will perform on a stage at the end of the day...
search Karen in the dictionary and you’ll find her picture
Yes, I wanna kick her and throw her in the Pacific Ocean she is so rude ;-;
@@kchile4566 it’s not a Karen...it’s an entire. Different culture.
just reminding everyone that Kang Seulgi can’t do the splits perfectly and she’s just actually perfect
My biass! Yes ikr, but when seulgi didn't make it i found it really cutee. Well actually shes so fully capable. Sing? Ofc. Dance? No need to ask. Visual? Bruh i can even turn gay for her
Omg i fuckin love her man, she’s so perfect
Same thing with Suga
BJTNSJJ97 J from bts?
@@lexygonzalez7045 Yes our lil meow meow /ᐠ｡ꞈ｡ᐟ\
yay! mizuho debuted in 2021 in the end! so happy for her
I feel guilty for stanning kpop. this industry just pushes humans beyond their limits.
Ana Rita Teixeira I've always wondered if bts bois went through this, they're always so bright with each other
Yuri Katsuki yeah bighit (bts’ company for those who don’t know) aims to change the corruption in the industry that’s why bts doesn’t use media play etc
Sasha B thank god they didn't touch my snek bois
This happens everywhere
I feel like us fans supporting our favs definitely helps them see the bright side of all they go through, to receive so much love and support from us
She is doing fine now, latest post she did was her in spain and is living life happy.
How do u know?
Do u know her instagram?
Whats her instagram @ ?
Whats her Instagram
hey
Funny thing is that this just one of the many no-name companies out there.
yeah and they'll debut but won't have success, at the end, it's not that bad that she couldn't make it
Yeah, I would prefer to work hard before auditioning to a big company. Because there your sweat and tears are worth it. Plus u don't have to pay the company debt after debuting
It's kind of annoying how so many companies are popping up wanting to train idols and once they debut, they don't have enough money to actually promote them. Training an idol is an investment but if you don't put anything to promote them then they'll dissappear and you'll just keep losing money.
@@ambya6431 every group has to pay the company debt unless they earn so much that the company doesn't care about the debt. Even twice i think they just finished the company's debt around.. Last year(?) But they said it somewhere about getting their first full paycheck
Gummey I’m pretty sure twice paid off their debt within 2 years. I mean they were literally the hottest girl group when tt came out.they had many comebacks in one year, did a lot of promotions and concerts. So it’s impossible that they got their first pay check last year.
“Get real” these two words pretty much summarize this whole kind of Korean idol thing 🤥
A girl “couldn’t even drink water” and another ate so little she thought she was about to die let’s all let that sink in to everyone who thinks KPOP stars and trainees have it easy and now you wish to be them think again we probably couldn’t do what they have put themselves through if this happened to us we’d probably end up fainting regularly and being in the hospital for being underweight and they are happy about it
One is even ill and still doesn’t take even a day off for herself this isn’t right
It’s so sad
i’m seriosly rethinking about auditioning even tho i really wanted to pursue being an idol for years. i don’t want to be treated like a slave..
@are you kirring mi irrriya?? Well said!! No chance at glory could ever be worth that level of abuse... *especially* if you have a 98% chance of not making the cut.
@Mizyo Yanchan can you drop the link please? I can't find it :(
guys, don't worry. star road entertainment is shut down and mizuho is living her best life!
:DD so happy for her
Where is she now?
I’m so happy for her ❤️
@euriio oh really? Thank God that bullshit entertainment got shut down. So happy for Mizuho, and for the rest of trainees💗
what why it shut down
*has to weigh 50kg or less*
BMI: Am I a joke to you?
maemisaki fr
Fr, they usually aim for 43 kg, 48 is considered heavy even for a tall girl
@@moonlace1560 48kg for a girl 160cm+ tall is literally underweight
Does this even take into account the difference in height, what about a 175cm girl?
Well most of them are short.. so
when she was screaming while trying to do the splits I felt the pain through the screen....
the way they test for flexibility skills. it's kinda disturbing. forcing a person who's not flexible can legit kill someone (not really). it's like saying go swim a 50 in 20 secs. Um no it takes practice to do that. You have to warm up and practice to be able to do the splits. god it was horrifying to watch the trainer push her like that
i don’t know much flexibility, but i’m also concerned about her muscles. i’m kinda naturally flexible and can pull off a scorpion, so one time i tried forcing myself to split because i thought i could do it too, but i couldn’t. my muscles hurt so bad and i couldn’t walk. i couldn’t even imagine how that is for her, and she has to practice 24/7 with aching muscles. poor girl.
I was taught to do the splits like that at a young age, it hurt so much, I have a sensitive back now but I can do the splits 😔✌🏻
I can't do splits at all it hurts too much I'm not flexible at all
Can't even touch my toes
and then she’s like “i’m not even pushing you why are you crying” 😖
"I worked so hard, yet It still wasn't enough" *RELATABLE*
Why does this video remind me of math class...
Doker...omg I feel you
Omg yes that hit so hard
Same with me
Basically me with my grades
Those who criticize Lisa for being too strict of a mentor. I dare them to watch this and still say the same thing about Lisa.
Exactly
Lisa's tutoring is normal .Im not even a dancer but I used to practice for a performance at school with my teacher and my teacher is much much worse than her and we are not even dancing that much
She has to be strict. But she’s not like this dance instructor who makes the dancers feel bad about themselves. Lisa gives motivation and wants the dancers to do well and I respect her for that. I wouldn’t mind having her as my dance instructor.
@@Bambooty1234 plus she only corrects them for their moves, she doesn't lack their confidence...
Melysa Chan agree!
"I worked so hard and yet im still not good enough", broke my heart
and i know if i want to become a foreign kpop idol, ill have to do this, yet i've been watching these i've been training, i've searched up beauty tips, im learning korean, and ive done everything in the videos
I feel like she can do well or even better in Japan, she doesn't need to go to Korea to be honest
Megu X usually people go to Korea since the industry is so much bigger..
@@ominkwon6329 and for proper and more detail training lesson
@@ominkwon6329 Japanese music industry is actually as big as the Korean one. The thing is that Korea focuses on going worldwide while Japan wants to preserve it for their country and doesn't really care about your skills (it depends of which idol company, but most of them doesn't give those kinds of hard trainings)
@@ominkwon6329 Yeah but the competition will then be fiercer, some may not even get far at all
@@ominkwon6329 Japan actually has a big market, a market that has a stronger and longer history in Asian pop music, that's why even Korean artists have Japanese albums and promotions, but Korea is more international.
Moral of the story :
Don't think of becoming a kpop trainee unless you are ready to feel the pain and face many difficulties :(
Where were the logos of bts and army in your name? And how did you keep them??
@@hushhhhhhhhhh the name I can type korean and the logo thing you can copy it here: ⟭⟬ ⟬⟭
@@Mohamed_elfarashthank you bro
@@hushhhhhhhhhh np I am a girl btw
I want to become a kpop idol so bad!
I know that there will be a lot of difficulties but i am willing to face them one by one, the only problem is that my mom and dad hate the idea and told me i will never do it!
Mean..but i respect them-
"I watched your performance as a spectator who bought a ticket, i want a refund" YouRE THE ONE WHO WAS TEACHING THEM
EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS
LMAO IFKR
IKR
Just because you teach someone, doesn't mean they'll do it right. It's why they have to evaluate them. It's why teaching is necessary and if you lack, then unfortunately you're cut.
@@lailonithomas6574 That's how my dance teacher was if we were lacking at a performance she would tell us not to hurt us but so we could ask questions and do better
I just can't....I can't believe K-Pop idols had to go through all this...
I literally started crying watching this...
We should not hate on K-Pop idols, they worked so hard, every one of them went through this... 😭
@Eszra Falcontail I agree, but some people also want to join K-Pop because it's their hobby, or liking. I wouldn't stop them if they can take this extreme training, but the K-Pop industry treats humans like machines, which I hate. I feel like idols should perform of their own free will and not on the leash of their company
@@perfectgamerkitty turning hobbies into work is a big mistake. There are some companies that give adequate freedom to their artists but most are controlling.
@@gotthecutenessoverload1086 I agree 😢
Doing splits and pulling her straight from her position. HOW COULD YOU EVER DO THAT. DO YOU KNOW IT IS PAINFUL AS FUDGE
Irah๑ Officials my sister did that to me and it HURTS LIKE HELL
Yeah its f*cking hurts i feel her pain
They make her like their doll
Doing that can destory your body!!! Smh poor girl
Even though I’m a Kpop Fan, I don’t support the way they train idols. I understand they need intense physical training.
However, the instructors shouldn’t mentally break the trainees by spewing harsh words such “you don’t deserve to debut”, “you will never be an idol”, etc.
These words which may seem to make a person tough, is actually doing the opposite. These trainees have feelings too, and harsh words won’t make them tough, it will hurt them.
These painful words we say at another person could lead to their depression, or worse, suicide. These instructors (as well as us) must be mindful of what they say, since words can really affect a person.
Yes, these idols need training, but positive reinforcement is the better way to go.
I agree on this on a personal and emotional level. I am diagnosed with Depression, I'm a perfectionist and I don't take harsh criticism very well because I feel like I'm not trying hard enough when I would practically feel like passing out when practicing. When I'm told something harsh, I seem unbothered until I go behind closed doors. I cry until I fall asleep or continue practicing non-stop until I am 100% sure there are NO mistakes. It's extremely difficult to live up to others expectations in idol life and real life in general, however the harsh training doesn't change my mind. I want to be an idol and I won't stop until I achieve it, even if I can't feel my legs by the end of the day.
ThatRandomGirl XP While I don’t have depression, I do have anxiety and it’s the same case for me.
Sometimes, people even call me too sensitive and soft hearted, and only by being tough will I survive life.
I took it personally and failed to acknowledge my feelings. It was really difficult.
But now I’m learning, and I always go by the saying “What hurts you, hurts you.”
I hope that you get through whatever you are going. You are not alone :)
@@reign_sw4g176 Same.... Except for i want to be an idol
I both agree and disagree with this. I know that giving really harsh comments to your trainees is just going to make them think that they're not good enough and will lower their esteem, and it's really seems like an unreasonable way to treat trainees (some of them being like, 15?? Which, if you're gonna give such harsh comments to a 15 year old, that's definitely gonna screw them up), but at the same time, her comments are literally nothing compared to antis, she's also mentally preparing them for the amount of hate they're going to receive after they debut.
Huge Weeb Yup! Feel free to speak your mind :)
She could be mentally “preparing” the trainees, but in my opinion, I think she’s preparing them in an improper manner.
No one teaches a person how painful getting burned is by burning him/her with fire. Just like that, you shouldn’t prepare a person for harsh remarks by being harsh with him/her.
Anyway, thanks for your opinion!
This tells us to never hate on any kpop idol as they went through the same pain
Did j-hope go through this?
@@armyshope Every k-pop idols
Depends on the agency/company
we don't hate them for skinny or fat but the fact is they are untalented singers as well as do cringe dance step which if you use in annual function you will look total Clown more than plastic beauty they don't have anything.
Stanning Kpop Idols meaning this method to train them is right. Therefore you guys caused the pain for them
my sister used to do ballet in China at a young age, around 9-10, and she told me her coach would push her down while she was attempting to do the splits. She told me she cried every lesson and screamed and the coach would not stop pushing until she endured a lot of pain already. She said it was like torture, and when she told our mom our mom pulled her out of the program. Asia’s standards are so high and that’s why we moved out of the country to Australia, where I grew up. and not to mention the schools, too. Some students have to return from home at 10pm after studying for hours at school. And even though we return so late and get up so early, we are handed a stack of homework to complete after school, and it is due the next day. They also used to whack students for misbehaving. I’m so glad I didn’t have to endure that torture for as long as my siblings and other people.
This is soo sad, kpop companies should really start treating their trainees/idols with humanity.
@Chuck Nourrizzz you are right but reality is reality we can't do anything in fking worlds
The Kpop companies have their own rule of things compared to the U.S. even physical harm is allowed but it's the idols choices to stay or leave.
@Chuck Nourrizzz there are so many trainees who want to become an idol and to have successful career as idol. It's normal that they compete hard. It's not possible for all the trainees to succeed as idol. To be frank, other domains are not different. You can eanr much money like Bill gates? Is it easy to become a doctor or lawyer who have successful careers in your country? Nobody forced trainees to keep practicing to become an idol. That's their choice. Dreams can't be easily realized.
StarRoad is a piece of trash, there r so many osm companies..she can just try JYP..
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They want to make a superstar!! Look how proffesional KPOP idols are because of Korean system
I felt so bad for her, that I actually messaged her on Instagram and comforted her, she replied and thanked me for her support! Although Im sure she's not with that company any more. I'm happy that she is still doing great! I think she is talented! She even inspires me to never give up a passion! みずほさん頑張ります!
what's her instagram @? I would like to comfort her too.
she isn’t with the company anymore because it closed
@@kimjinwoo5566 wait, it did??
Rogielyn Rosales yes
What her @
They are like so rude making that poor girl split the screams sounds like you are stabing her with a knife
That thing they did was actually one of the first few things we did on our first day of gymnastics
Andy Tan yep I’m not gonna try gymnastics
Oh i fell so bad for you
And everyone thank you for so many likes on this comment i m so blessed
This is my first time getting so many likes
I used to do that for warmups in my ballet days
as a teenage girl who is half Korean, my mom sometimes forces me to lose weight and dance alot. i kind of feel relatible with these girls. i'm currently 166cm ( 5'5 ) and 43 kg.
Omg I feel bad for u sry😢
I don’t think 43 is healthy I m almost 5 feet I m 43.5 sometimes 48 or 45
This is depressing to watch, holy crap
I really agree. It's distressing me because of the dance teacher
Yeah, when you think about it the way people become stars in America verses South Korea is super different in many ways
@@isabellaferraro194 it's sad that in SK its clearly a industrialized field and kpop idol are just a product.
@Gacha Sistaz1527 they just want perfect puppets so it's better to not become one of them x)
Gacha Sistaz1527 I know you might like KPOP, but to be a star in that field is literal hell... You’re selling your self to a business, the way you eat the way you dress, you wouldn’t live life normally anymore, you’d live like a mindless zombie... They only care for how you look and dance, not so much as music...
Celebrated being underweight...this is wrong in every kind of way..
50kg is not underweight for someone who's 160cm tall. Js
it actually depends on your height and how slim you are,, i'm 149 cm and only 30 kg currently.. so,, i don't think they are required to be underweight unless they are taller and being forced to weigh less than 50 kg. so i think the shorter trainees just have it easier.
@@cosmixtsu You're 149cm tall and weigh 30kg? I'm sorry, as much as I want to agree, and granted I don't know your bodytype, age and lifestyle, that's not a healthy weight whatsoever, even for someone who's 149cm tall. Don't want to offend at all, of course, but please don't encourage this lifestyle online.
Nevertheless, forcing someone to weigh 50kg no matter their height sounds like something these companies do, especially since most women from these countries tend to be short anyway.
It also depends on your body, I weigh 41-42 kg and I am 1'61 cm my maximum weight has been 50 kg and when I weighed that, i was a little chubby
Korea is different. Even starving you. It's kind of weird actually. That's why many commit suicide.
Never understood this pressured "perfection". Especially in exchange for health issues, is it really worth it?
I don't get it either. It's in part a cultural thing. Like look at tiger moms, who pressure their two year olds to be perfect violinists, or how for some traditional japanese jobs as an apprentice you have very long periods of time were you are just supposed to observe the masters, because if you just tried the work yourself it would not come out perfect.
I have no idea what philosophy that comes from though.
i've been a kpop fan for a while now and i will never understand, the pressure they put in those artists are just so overwhelming that it gets just pointless
@@YTSuxAxx technically yes, but the only choice they get is “give up your career and restructure your entire life“ or “force yourself through this pointless training.“ Its sort of like saying “its fine if universities beat their students again, if they don't like it, they can leave“, when they really can't because they can't get their job qualifications any other way. It's not really a free choice that way.
@@YTSuxAxx yes but that industry is so good at luring youngsters into their fangs. People want to live a dream that is fake in most cases. They are young and laws don't protect them enough. You may not drink at 18 but sign a 7 year choke contract that will most likely leave you with a large debt. Those contracts should be illegal.
@@YTSuxAxx why, because it doesn't support your point?
I don’t understand why people treat it like it’s normal. Korean entertainment industry has the worst work environment with tons of scandals. Instead of supporting idols while ignoring their pain, maybe it’s time to regulate the industry so it’s healthier
Not only dance instructors can be harsh, also the photograpers. I remember when Twice's Jihyo in Sixteen was told that she was "too fat" and she was body shamed the entire program and even after debut.
Yeah and JYP sat there and was like Jihyo did great the the other lady next to him says but "shes fat" and he just looked like he was ready to end his life like in the "Did this bitch really just say that shit when God jihyo has all this talent" she was such a rude judge and Jihyo was working so hard as a trainee for 10 years and as we can see so many years later deserves her spot in twice
@Lavender's Blue she did
And ugh i loved it
Sister snapped
Maknae Tzuyu Jihyo looked beautiful during SIXTEEN and she looks more beautiful even now. Her talents and the way she spoke was what made her so special. Once Unite!
She dance s like a elementary student
Me: I dance like I’m still in the womb
That's not funny lol
Kiera lxoxxo I wasn’t trying to be funny I’m just being honest
Kiera lxoxxo That’s not savage lol
I dance like I haven't been conceived yet
I dance like a worm
this video is a bit disheartening but it's the harsh reality of what idols have to go through. some of them have even gotten treated worse than this. i feel bad for mizuho but i'm glad that this video exists. i see a lot of young kpop fans who dream of becoming just like their favorite idols and they think it's as easy as just passing the audition and becoming a trainee. they have skewed images of what it means to be an idol. they only see the glitz and glam side that idols show on stage without knowing (and sometimes not caring) about the darker side, the side where they have to starve themselves and practice all day, only to be told they aren't good enough. or when their emotional, mental, and physical health deteriorates because of all the stress and pressure that comes with it. they have to go through all this and there's not even a guarantee that they'll get anywhere. it just really pains me when i see people talk about wanting to become idols because a lot of them don't know the half of what that really means. it's okay to have dreams and i definitely encourage you to, but i hope those that are considering venturing into this career will reconsider. please do your research and take your time understanding the requirements and risks associated with being a kpop idol. just stay safe and good luck ♡
I am glad you took your time to write. But you still people can be K-pop idols I don't know whether you know about Z-pop . Z-pop is similar to K-pop but they are not harsh on their idols they don't starve them and the most amazing thing about them is that they accept every skin colour, every body type and every nationalities also it's a new pop who started their first batch of Z-pop idols in 2019. So those who plan for being a K-pop idol can audition in Z-pop . And I know that Z-pop treats their idols way better than this because I've been seeing them from a. Long time and watching their videos also the idols are allowed to be friends with the opposite gender. Secondly it's emergimg and it needs idols so talented teens or people can go audition for Z-pop. Thirdly if not Z-pop then you can just learn Korean upload cover songs on RUclips and you'll get what you desire for because RUclips is a transparent form to represent your talent so you'll get justice there eventually
Which is why I probably won’t be auditioning for any k-pop companies, my sister actually recommended me to audition for z-pop since her friend passed it and they are not treating her badly at all, i think one of the groups are call z-girls and the Indian girl only had to train for a few months so I think you do have a chance of debuting, i don’t want to be a kpop idol but I don’t wanna crush my dreams either so here I am
@@hxney164 yes I get it. But if you love singing maybe you should go for the auditions. You never know what it will hold for you
Yashvi Savla i did submit one to jyp but they never replied, ive been wondering if i should audition for sm or not, I mean I have the guts but im scared i will just quit after a few years or months.
Chae이제노 Yeah u should try
Got to appreciate how hard these people work to make their dreams come true. The kpop idols who are successful now have gone through a lot to get to where they are.