MSI $15 Budget Challenge, KR Reactions To Caedrel's Player Tier List & Faker Swarmed At Airport
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00:05 : Faker Swarmed At Airport
3:58 : KR Reactions To Caedrel's Player Tier List
14:19 : MSI Budget Challenge
Faker is isolated, so many Kha'zix mains gathering around him
I heard isolated and ran to the comments. Great minds.
The Vis were protecting him though.
props to the reverse smurf guy for preserving the balance between the 4 nations
Chovy with 3 NA players is like HLE 2021 all over again LMAO
Just give me 3 Chovy’s and I’ll use the 2 coaches as stand in’s I think
why would you take three choky ?
I mean in the LCK for sure, but internationally?
on an international tournament? i’d probably pay to not have chovy
Nah chovu sucks just get all EU
Kiin over 369 is crazy imo.
Even crazier people saying "through career Kiin has played a lot" considering 369 was known as carries guy, then a weakside win anyway guy, to the bruiser guy.
They both flopped last Worlds
Kiin could have played a lot through his career and 369 can also be known as a carries guy and everything else.
both statements can be true?
@@scifimisc9191 flopped is not what i would call 369 last worlds
@Sonasthighs You should rewatch that T1/JDG series then. 369 fell flat as hard as Bin did vs theshy
@@scifimisc9191Kanavi flopped last worlds dmbass.
All this about Kiin and he's not even on the $15 MSI build a team thing LOL
Impact umti chovy peyz core seems like the best in the budget tbh
when it comes to the tierlists and being an analyst in general you gotta just ignore the fans
also i personally loved the fact u did the tier list live and i'd actually enjoy seeing you do it taking more time and reviewing games and such. I will say tho the chat was annoying about the length so if u ever do it live again just tell people itll take like 8 hours so they dont complain
People just like to get butthurt. Most streamers can't have an opinion if it's even slightly different, because afterwards, they need to explain/apologise for the next 3 days. These people need to touch grass or something.
@@sugarfree9921 Koreans aren't mad at Caedrel for having a ''slightly different'' opinion. They just don't give Caedrel much credit anymore because he messed up an obvious trait about Kiin. It is not a slightly different opinion.
@@sugarfree9921 caedrel opinion on kiin is wrong though and he did admit it.... I myself didn't agree with kiin having pool issue when dude can play every meta this split pretty well
@abouttime2569 @nirvash241 Both my comment and the initial one were talking about tier lists in general , as you could probably read, neither mentioned Kin, that was addressed by Cadrel anyway. However, my comment still stands, people are and will get butthurt when a streamer's opinion differs from theirs, and usually, those people are the loudest.
Why are we rating Kiin on his career long performance (he played well before, he has had a big champ pool during his career, etc) when he has been mostly a kasante merchant and good (not amazing) on other picks while we are rating others based on their form from the last few games or just finals.
Kiin is a disappointment tbh, took 8 years to win a title despite being said as the "best top laner" lmao, if he was in other teams not Gen G or T1 other top would choke him in his lane like last lck playoffs
Because he is as good as any other toplaner on the other picks at least and better on Ksante.
The thing is, in finals, he had both his jayce and twisted fate banned 5 games in a row, and rumble 3 times in a row, while ksante was not banned a single game. I am pretty sure this says more than enough about his jayce and twisted fate
Optimal $15 spend is Impact, Umti, Chovy, Peyz, CoreJJ. Day one playable team, 5 “LCK” players on budget, I dub thee “2020 DRX 2.0” aka Chovy and the Apostles. 🤣
I was thinking Impact Oner Creme Yeon CoreJJ (assuming language is no issue) but yours is great too ngl
@@Milxno oner cant play without faker babysitting him imo
i would most definitely replace peyz and that's a team
Nah chovu sucks just get all EU
kiin has been a ksante merchant this past season since he looks OKAY on other champs
Tell that to his 1K+ DPM Rumble. Look at Zeus winrate on Aatrox this season, and then look at his winrate without Aatrox this season. Not hating on Zeus, is just that you guys bring 2 different narratives for players that you guys like or don't like. Pretty much brain dead...
@@cyBerepTile Zeus is obviously an Aatrox merchant and now vayne probably
And okay? Thats them I’m me bro 🤷
Obviously ppl got their favs but im saying this from watching the games myself
@@cyBerepTile So? Zeus being an aatrox merchant or not is irrelevant to Kiin being a Ksante merchant. They are both merchants.
Then why T1 kept banning TF, Jayce and Rumble at finals? Are they just "okay" champs?
@@lightningjuniorsuper
You can have your opinion
but what you say is wrong because in the ban phase during PO, all the other teams considered that Kiin's best champion was TF by far over Ksante.
i agree, doing the tierlist live was a bad idea, caedrel probably wanted to save time to stream more by doing both at the same time, although i hope he doesnt forget this lesson and do tierlists live again in the future
It sucks because people being assholes (E.g. like learning to restrict his option to do something fun because of crazy people) shouldn't have to be a learned lesson in the first place, but welcome to the internet/insane fan bases.
I hope he doesn't forget this lesson 🤡 who the f k are you ?
There's many kor fans who love caedrel including me. no worry I can confirm
1:08 lmao twitch chat says "he's splitpushing"
Faker doing his best Zeus impression irl
Umti chovy corejj zeus and hans looks good. Umti is definitely higher than 1. Around 3$ value
Yep
Hey Caedrel LPL fan here. About the Kiin issue please don't mind the haters. I was happy that you put 369 as the best toplaner at first and when you corrected yourself and put Kiin, I was disappointed but only because I had high hopes for 396/LPL players. I didn't watch enough LCK to make a judgement for myself so I appreciate you putting in all the work to make this tier list live. Unfortunately there is so much hate whenever tierlists come out, it is hard to please everyone. Again appreciate the analysis and all the hardwork you put into this. Looking forwrad to the MSI streams🍻
Who tf is 396
@@davidkunakovsky3155 bro great question wtf, maybe he's the best toplaner at MSI who knows
its ridiculous that most people cant stand against an opinion that's different from their own.
It's not kr fanse that are mad, it's the kr geng fans that are mad, they think that you are a hater of geng
This. I dont see KT and DK fans hating Caedrel despite his criticisms.
15$ western Copium : Impact / Razork / Caps / Hans / Jun
random but I feel like umti English is so good - he never played LCS before now right?
Yamatosdeaths actually got queued with this reverse smurf guy haha
Bro, you're real and that's so funny about you 😅Never change!
Are there anywhere videos from Caedrel playing soloq? or is that just on stream and uncut VODs
There used to be Caedrel VODs but the channel has been deleted
I hope the flak doesn't get to you too much, I really respect you for being willing to put the thought and effort and time into creating your best take on comparing players across multiple regions who haven't played against each other much if ever! It's so much easier to look at someone else's work and just point at what you'd do differently; creating a tier list from scratch is much more work and I think it's amazing you have the knowledge to do it at all, let alone live. The haters' voices are loud but wanted you to know you have fans too
T1 being minion blocked irl lmao.😂
4:47 what about wbg?
classic underrate zeus, and he smokes everyone in a non-tank meta
Zeus Razork Creme Hans Jun, assuming no language barrier this has to be the best roster for $15 lol
Assuming barrier language is not a thing then its Zeus Umti Chovy Peyz Busio, 4 Koreans and 1 American, also Zeus x Chovy Asian games, Peyz x Chovy teammates for long af
People do be acting like pedro put kiin at the bottom of his tier list initially XD
Like we have no other option in mid 5$ for Chovy is by far better than Cap who next on list unless we give up mid. Also ELK far better than Peyz who next to him but midlane will need higher priority.
The other option is Creme, taking Caps would be shit but Creme is similar in skillevel to Caps and 1$ cheaper. Still kinda troll tho, unless Knight or Faker is on the list its troll to not take Chovy regardless.
Classic riot move with smolder its so unbelievably shit but they do this every fucking time
Step 1 : Create a broken champ
2. Let it be pick / ban for 2 months with 56% winrate
3. Give it THE SMALLEST NERFS POSSIBLE KNOWING FULL EELL BTW IT WONT CHANGE A SINGLE THING
4. Watch the domination like a demon
5. GIVE IT ONE NERF WHICH BLOWS ITS HEAD OFF and make the champ unplayable and well guess what it DOESNT ALWAYS WORK OUT LIKE KSANTE WHOSE KIT IS FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN
6 . Try to give it a rework and make it playable but guess what (THESE REWORKS ONLY MAKE IT HARDER TO BALANCE) .
Skarner is following same trajectory and its so pathetic.
Rare image of Faker getting caught
I thought all my master elo teamates have been reverse smurfing. aint no way that shid master Z
my takeaway is im just glad tf blade is master+
Isn’t it Chovy, Zeus, Umti, Hans, and corjj?
Surely those people aren't actually Caedrel fans lol
01:00 Faker activated Galio W
Impact umti chovy elk core is the only option imo
That is true because elk and Chovy are too far ahead of everyone else, but that team is 16 dollars. Maybe impact for bwipo but Impact is so much better than him it's crazy
It would be 16$ tho. I'd downgrade Elk to Peyz. I know he is worse than JKL, Guma, Elk and some other ADCs that couldn't attend MSI but he is the best bank for the buck from the offered ADCs in this list. ADCs are stat sticks usually and with good setup even the most mediocre one can perform anyway. Also Impact Umti Chovy Peyz Core will be full korean roster, which will make communication better
@@antosqa7343 that’s fair. Realistically I don’t think you can afford an msi winning roster.
@@CrushedByBasilLeaf I agree I see some people putting bwipo above impact on tierlists and it blows my mind
Actually the Korean site that was referred to is more like a super biased Gen.g fanclub right now.
It doesnt represent the mainstream public opinions at all, since they just deny all analysts that dont bestow S+ tiers to all gen. laners
you misspelled t1 fanclub
seems like nobody supports that one :)
@@user-zv8zt4ho6h and you supported by millions of people right? lol
and you supported by millions of people? lol
Faker playing galio IRL at the airport.
Bro it's just a Tier list. How are people making a big deal over this.
Agree if tier lists end up like all pro I'll just not engage
Zeus, Razork, humanoid, Elk, CoreJJ
-Faker swarmed-
He's tanking
The thing is, if Kiin is actually Ksante one trick, why do you think T1 will ever ban both Jayce and Twisted Fate 5 times in a row and rumble 3 times in a row in finals instead of banning Ksante at all?
369, Razork, Jensen, Peyz, Jun
369 UmTi Jensen Elk Jun. Thats my roster.
Caedrel pls say gen will win msi lck summer and worlds and all the players in gen will have the tournament of theie lives.
PLEASE CAEDREL!!!!
Bwipo, Razork, Chovy, Payz, CoreJJ.
Or.
Bwipo, Razork, Chovy, Hans Sama, Jun.
faker has the teemo global taunt
faker absorbing pressure for him team
Faker's Global Taunt IRL. 😂😂
Guy played 4 camille games in two years and you are telling me he can play camille?
Man even irl faker is getting 4 man dove, feels bad man
As a GenG fan (im not Korean) I was so sorry they criticized you for saying your opinion (you also made it clear that this was your own thoughts and people could have counter arguements). I agree Kiin is a Ksante merchant, and i think your opinion about his champ pool is right. Even though Kiin has a narrow champ pool (which he actually played well) Caedrel still said Kiin is a good player. Korean fans are so sentitive
It's not kr fans that's mad at him, it's geng and doran fans. They react very emotionally to any potential geng slander, and they claim that caderal is a fake geng fan that turned away as soon as things went south (which is a very childish behavior but that's how they view things).
I also have to add that the entire geng fans base is sensitive af rn due to their poor international performance. They think they deserve more but that's not the reality so they lash that out on anyone who points that out. In this case it was caedral and so the hate went to him
Zeus, Umti, Creme, Elk, CoreJj
i would pick 15 oscarinins... there is no way 5 players beat 15
Insta lose if you're not picking Chovy. There's no Faker and Knight on the builder lol
Imo,
Bwipo
Umti
Chovy
Elk
CoreJJ
Bwipo slightly undervalued, Umti is by far the best $1 pick, Chovy best player, Elk by far the best laner on the list (only spending for $5's if they can be centerpiece carries), Corejj very undervalued considering his opposition at the role
Canyons kha zix at the airport would’ve ended him
I mean he’s clearly biased toward mikyx but even so his opinion on everything else is still very valuable
man all these drama just because a simple tier list. istg man, that's why i never believe in tier list. it just like a shopping list where you can see is your favorite cereal made it to the list or not.
Caedrel definitely doesn’t hate GenG but he also definitely doesn’t support them in most matchups lmao
Zeus Razork Chovy Yeon CoreJJ maybe
One of these days man, you gotta double down and say," I said what i said and i meant it, fk'em haters."
You can't please everyone.
Oner just needs to go blind and he's irl lee sin at this point.
Being EU biased af I go with Bwipo, Oner, Caps, Hans Sama, CoreJJ
Picking caps is so weird tho, since chovy is miles better and only 1 more dollar and creme is definitly as good if not better for a dollar less
@@Sanctus01 well I did say I was EU biased, didn't i
Oscarinin Tian Chovy Peyz CoreJJ for 15 bucks thats what I get , put Oscarinin on Tank Duty Put Tian on Carry, Chovy best mid by far, Peyz/CoreJJ good synergy both korean, one veteran 1 young, perfect. Easy win.
Impact
Josedeodo
Chovy
Pray
Jun
Epico team
369, umti, chovy, yeon, corejj
Stop addressing what people say, you are going to be crucified all the time regardless of what you say, fuck them, if you already addressed a mistake once, that's it.
Why is everyone overhyping G2 and TL.. G2 is at best like one tier higher than Fnc or just above them in same tier and TL is either right behind Fnc or bellow.. I dont even think that they will do well, I have maybe even more faith in Fly, but still less than in EU teams and Psg is like Na teams lvl
obviously your a bad lawyer they need to hire dom to be geng lawyer lol
Ksante merchant Kiin
Zeus, UmTi, Huminoid, Elk, Jun
for 15 $ im taking
Bwipo
Umti
Chovy
Elk
CoreJJ
Bwipo, umti, chovy, elk, corejj
$15 to build the best blunt rotation: Bwipo Razork and $11 worth of zaza
Korean fans are always like this, even with K-pop. As soon as something remotely "bad" happens you're canceled or whatever, it's really toxic
That budget challenge is broken. You NEED Chovy, none of the other mid options can even remotely stand up to him. You need knight and Faker as options or, if you arent trolling, you lose $5 no matter how you slice it cause you cant not take him.
Though you’re right, I don’t think faker or knight helps cause chovy gaps those fraudulent mids. He no longer has Dorun-it-down-before-first-objective & it’s double elimination. I’ll shave my self bald if Gen g loses a double elimination tournament
@fanwee5048 Double elim helps Chovy a ton, yes. Pretending like Chovy's actual competition arent capable does not help him. It does about the opposite.
Knight's team fighting is as good or better than Chovy's AND Knight has the best botlane by far going into the tournament while Chovy has Peyz in currently literally his worst form hes ever been in. Knight doesnt need to out Chovy Chovy, he just needs to enable Elk.
Nothing needs to be said about how insane it is to discredit Faker. Especially after last Worlds.
@@scifimisc9191 I mean I feel it's pretty hard to play just to try to go even especially against such a lane dominant player such as chovy. Seeing as how corki was destroying faker's orianna with corki of all champs, if chovy is consistently getting push and cs leads, the opposing laner whoever it may be will have a harder time being relevant
@junlee9531 For sure. But lane dominance was a like a happy surprise addition to what Faker brings, and as good as knight is at it its not his strongest aspect.
If a team needs a mid to dominate lane to win theyre never going to go anywhere against Chovy. If thats not what they primarily get out of their mid, its not as big a deal. Its why Bdd usually does relatively well against Chovy
@@fanwee5048 how are you calling faker and knight fraudulent mids? have you seen last msi, last worlds?
Some Korean fans are so delulu, Caedrel ignores my region and i understand why, meanwhile they are out here just insulting him for a small mistake that he corrected in no time.
Zeus,Umti,Chovy,Hans,Core I win
saying caedrel isn't a GenG fan as if it somehow undermines his arguments is the dumbest thing i've seen in a while lol. if anything it's the opposite, hardcore fans are the least suited to properly rate the thing they're being fans around.
zeus umpti chovy hans sama corejj
the MickyX over Keria meme is dumb af. It wasn't just MickyX over Keria, it was Missing, On, Delight, Hang AND MickyX over Keria, since T1 was struggling before worlds. They became world champs, they personally stomped LNG (with Hang) and JDG (with Missing), yet noone talks about these takes being wrong, only about MickyX since he is european. But the mistake wasn't Caedrel overrating MickyX, it was him underrating Keria against everyone else.
😂 double lift laughing rn I can tell
My $15 is Zeus, Razork, Chovy, Yeon, CoreJJ
Those 'fans' are just toxic.
Faker is not there in the msi budget challenge cause it will cost him everything to just get faker.
Impact(3)
Umti(1)
Chovy(5)
Peyz(4)
CoreJJ(2)
Just take the Koreans from TL and give them good carries.
Caps and MikyX worth $4 is hilarious.
And they say GenG fans are saints
I mean if you compare it to T1 fans then yeah
ill take zeus umti creme elk core looks pretty decent zeus is in his theshy era so idk if spending that 4 is a good idea umti i didnt have money left creme is a steal elk is the only human being in adc everyone else are complete shit and core is a steal for 2
Ratking gonna Get Truck kun 😎
14:50 Bwipo Razork Creme ELK Jun ?
Chovy can't carry two losing lanes. No one can. Giving him a shit jungler makes more sense.
id go with impact tian humanoid elk core
Tier lists for anything are getting out of hand with reactions. Even tier lists for movies. Fans of movies overreact.
Impact, Umti, Chovy, Peyz, Jun