Altogether, 992 pilots graduated from the Tuskegee Air Field courses, and they flew 1,578 missions and 15,533 sorties, destroyed 261 enemy aircraft, and won more than 850 medals.
My father was a fighter pilot in WWII. He flew P-47 Thunderbolts. Several years before he died, he met one of the Tuskegee Airmen. They compared notes and the gentleman who flew the P-51 teased my dad about how it could fly rings around his P-47, which it could. Dad took it goodnaturedly and considered himself honored to have met one of these great air warriors.
Only the Merlin engined P-51 could outperform the Thunderbolt. As originally equipped with the Allison engine, the P-51 wasn't much better than the P-40. Remember, it was the British idea to re-engine the P-51 to see how it would perform. The P-51 was originally designed for the British during 1940. North American Aviation was a very small company at that time and had never built a military aircraft. Northrup Grumman is actually the amalgamation of three very successful aircraft companies of World War II, North American (P-51, B-25), Republic (P-47), and Grumman ( F4F, F6F, F7F, F8F, TBF). They built many more famous types post war and are still building them now. Additionally, the late model P-47M and N models were actually faster than the P-51, could fly nearly just as far, and all models were more heavily armed than the P-51. 8 .50 caliber machine guns were standard on all models plus 300 gallon drop tank and 2 1000 lb bombs. Rockets could also by mounted under the wings. P-51 was a wonderful aircraft and excelled in the escort role, but the Thunderbolt was the better all around fighter in U.S. service during the war. Nr. 1 Fighter Group in the 8th Air Force during the war, 56th FG "Wolfpack", flew the P-47 not the P-51and did so throughout its combat service in Europe. Think about that!
I am White born in 1950, and I can honestly say the Tuskegee pilots are some of the greatest heroes of WW2. I grieve over the fact that they endured so much prejudice, while being so brave and so efficient as fighter pilots.
Same as all bBack Americans. Bullets re colour blind, but somr rednecks , who owed their lives to their black 'comrades' could never see that; and they still can't, they're voting for Make America Grate Again, and they are certainlly grating most of America.
“By Request” painted on the side. There is another explanation. During the spring of 1944, Major General Ira C. Eaker, commander of the Mediterranean Allied Air Forces, reassigned the 332d Fighter Group from the Twelfth Air Force to the Fifteenth Air Force because he sought its help with bomber escort duty.28 In effect, Eaker had “requested” the 332d Fighter Group for the bomber escort mission, even before the group had flown any heavy bomber escort missions.
Great Message and acting. But not exactly how it happened. The total amount of planes the Tuskegee Airmen could posibbly send for protection was 66 fighters. The 31st fighter group was sent along with the Tuskegee Airmen representing the 15th. Army Air Corp. You could not request a certain fighter group to escort you. It would be a logistical nightmare. Escorting was done on a strict rotational basis. Durning the bombing on 4th of March 8 jet planes were shot down by the 15th. Army Air Corp. 3 by the Tuskegee Airmen and 5 jets shot down by the 31st. fighter group. Why did they leave out the 5 shot down by the 31st, fighter group? And why was it not mentioned that the 8th Army Air Corp had been bombing Berlin many times before the Tuskegee Airmen bombed it for the first time. 2 months before the war in Europe ended.
@@albertopalma1663 This scene was Hollywood license. It added in the telling of the story but did not happen exactly as the movie makers suggest. As far as being requested During the spring of 1944, Major General Ira C. Eaker, commander of the Mediterranean Allied Air Forces, reassigned the 332d Fighter Group from the Twelfth Air Force to the Fifteenth Air Force because he sought its help with bomber escort duty. In effect, Eaker had “requested” the 332d Fighter Group for the bomber escort mission, even before the group had flown any heavy bomber escort missions.
One of my favorite scenes was where Mrs. Roosevelt tells the one Colonel that after her plane ride he can explain why the pilots are still at Tuskegee and not overseas fighting.
@@curtusdanton61 Wrong! You should post not using personal feelings but facts. President Roosevelt signed a bill to build the Tuskegee Airmen their training facilities before Ms. Roosevelt flew with Chief Anderson. Did you get your information from a Hollywood movie? On April 3, 1939, President Roosevelt approved Public Law 18, that provided for an expansion of the Army Air Corps. March of 1941... first lady Eleanor Roosevelt hopped in the back of pilot C. Alfred "Chief" Anderson's plane at the Tuskegee Army Air Field in Alabama and went for a flight.Mar 25, 2011(April 3,1939 a law had already been signed.) One section of the law offered hope for those African Americans who wanted to advance their military careers beyond the kitchen or the motor pool. It called for the creation of training programs to be located at black colleges which would prepare blacks for service in a variety of areas in the Air Corps support services.
I had the privilege of meeting some of the Red Tails years ago at a block party in Detroit. I don't remember much about it now, but I do remember they seemed to be a nice bunch of fellas. Looking back, I wish I would have spent more time getting to know them. I love learning history. They LIVED it!
@@charlesloomis2224 That's not true, Loomis. The Red Tails did an excellent job of protecting the bombers, although the "Never Lost One to enemy action" is just not true. They had a well deserved reputation for sticking with the bombers. Conversely, their air-to-air combat record with the Luftwaffe, meaning fighter on fighter was dead last. All in..... Good chunk of Americans, held down by society, stood up to the plate. Their track record was quite good in some respects, and not very good by others. But, they hung in there and fought. So, yeah.... Respect. As I would say to any American who fought in WWII.
What a POWERFUL scene from this movie. Truth be told, it made me tear up. There's your proof Ppl, that the color of your skin doesn't matter, it's what you're made of as a person... As an Environmental Scientist, I've traveled & have set foot on all 7 Continents that make up our Planet, with the National Geographic Science Foundation. In the C-130's that we all travel in; owned by National Geographic, they have painted all of their C-130's to have Red Tails in HONOR of these brave & forgotten Heros that saved the United States in Europe during WWII. I feel so honored & save when I board these Military Type Planes, all with Red Tails. It has made me feel as an Honorary Member of the Tuskegee Red Tails. I swear, that I've sometimes have felt their presence in Spirit, during our many flights, & they're flanking us all. What a feeling. If U think for one moment that I'm full of SH**IT, all U have to do it Google me: Santiago Murillo-Tucson. Apology accepted.
He was requested to go to Europe by the upper command because that's where they were needed. They were not requested in this particular situation by bomber crews.
@Bud Tommy , actually sir , they were requested , not by a particular bomber squadron but by a particular pilot , although not word for word that scene it pretty accurate, I got to hear all about the Red Tails , from my grandfather, he was a Master Sargent and lead driver for the Red Ball Express that supplied their fuel , in 1578 combat missions , including shooting down 3 Germán ME 262 jet fighters , 179 of them bomber escort , they lost a total of 27 bombers compared to an average of 47 by other squadrons , pretty easy to see why they were requested .
@@MU-rx1tc Except it doesn't work that way. Each fighter squadron took its turn in the rotation when it came to bomber escort missions. If bomber pilots could pick and choose their escorts, based on the performance of the 332nd, that squadron would have never had down time for maintenance and would always be in the air, which also would have caused those pilots to become burned out and exhausted with no rest.
Jeff Burnham , I know it doesn’t work that way , except it did in that one particular case , I’m just telling what I heard from someone who was there .
Bravehart and The Patriot would disagree with you. Both old school movies made before CGI but both were god awful when it comes to historical accuracy and teaching the viewer anything.
@@roberthoward9500 “By Request” painted on the side. There is another explanation. During the spring of 1944, Major General Ira C. Eaker, commander of the Mediterranean Allied Air Forces, reassigned the 332d Fighter Group from the Twelfth Air Force to the Fifteenth Air Force because he sought its help with bomber escort duty.28 In effect, Eaker had “requested” the 332d Fighter Group for the bomber escort mission, even before the group had flown any heavy bomber escort missions.
you're absolutely right; I used this film to help my older kid to understand a little bit more his/her history assignment and it worked fantastically, at the same time I taunt him/her a very important lesson for his/her years to come.
What people seem to forget is that it was Puerto Rican flight instructors who taught them to fly. Also they taught them fighter tactics. My grandfather was not even mentioned or acknowledged in the movie.
I was at an airshow several years back, and one of the grandsons was flying one of those planes as a demonstration. I wanted to meet him and tell him how thankful I was for his grandads sacrifice. I felt so proud of him.
The Tuskegee Airmen were an exceptional group of men. They fought and some died fighting for a nation that still considered them second class citizens. What does that say of the character of such men?
The Tuskegee Airmen were great Americans. the best damn air squad of their time. Not even close. In the 15th. Army Air Corp while having a great bomber protection record...They were dead last in in kills as P-51 pilots. You could not destroy the German Air Force by staying with the bombers. Excepy fot the T.A. all fighters by the commander of the 8th. & 15th. Army Air Corp...Gen. Jimmy Doolittle in 1943 he ordered all fighters to leave bomber formation and to seek out and destroy the German Air Force. As a result D-Day was a success.
608th squardran had the highest kill ratio of any unit. They respected the Tuskegee airmen first not losing a bomber and they the Tuskegee respected them for there kill ratio . Respect comes from both sides and ends
@@paulgrieshop5024 THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN DID IN FACT LOSE 27 BOMBERS TO THE GERMAN AIR FORCE GOOGLE: MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN. IT IS BACKED BY TUSKEGEE AIRMEN INC, go to page 7 In reality, bombers under Tuskegee Airmen escort were shot down on seven different days: June 9, 1944; June 13, 1944; July 12, 1944; July 18, 1944; July 20, 1944; August 24, 1944; and March 24, 1945. Moreover, the Tuskegee Airmen flew 311 missions for the Fifteenth Air Force between early June 1944 and late April 1945, and only 179 of those missions escorted bombers. Alan Gropman interviewed General Benjamin O. Davis, Jr., years after World War II, and specifically asked him if the “never lost a bomber” statement were true. General Davis replied that he questioned the statement, but that it had been repeated so many times people were coming to believe it. i
@@nedstewart1 They where brave men, give them there damn respect for risking theire lives time after time. Instead of spewing your hate from your comfy chair.
"Never lost a bomber" is a myth and not something that the Tuskegee airmen ever claimed. I know it is shocking but Hollywood and the media sometimes exaggerate things! To be fair many of the mission reports were not made public for years and detailed study of the war records actually only occurred well after this movie was made. But claiming the 332nd was a poorly performing unit is also untrue. Of the 4 fighter groups in the 15th Air Force the 332nd had fewer bomber losses under their protection than the average fighter group in the 15th Air Force. They saw their job as disrupting enemy fighter attacks to protect the bombers rather than running off and playing dogfight games to get fighter kills. More fighter kills doesn't necessarily mean better protection. I have no expertise to assess their tactical doctrine. I do know that these men were heroes.
Like almost all of the WWII vets, they're just about all gone. I was blessed to have serval live in my area of SoCal. I believe the last Tuskegee Airman passed away a couple of years ago. They did their job admirably, then went home and were treated terribly. So glad people learned of their bravery and service.
These men, the Tuskegee Airmen, are the ones that not just the black community, but all people should look up to and celebrate. Not some multi-million dollar pro athlete who probably wouldn't know the first thing about true self sacrifice for something or someone beyond themselves.
Self sacrifice comes in many forms. From Martin Luther king risking his life, his family and the safety of there church eventually being murdered same with malcolm x. This isnt even the first time football player(s) have stood up against racial inequality. In 1965 the American football league held its all star game in new Orleans where unsurprising they were met with open and violent racism. 21 players got together to boycott the game over the issue including some white players including hall of Famer Ron mix. Which got the venue to chang to Houston. Kap was a pretty good QB who self sacrificed millions of dollars to speak up at what he saw as injustice. And let's not be dishonest here he wasn't a good player considering mark Sanchez was still playing and he isn't....
@@nit23sharma Actually they could then make some historical corrections such as they lost no bombers claim when they lost 27 bombers...did not sink a destroyer, but it instead it was a Italian destroyer converted into a torpedo ship which did not sink, and on the Berlin raid a total of 8 Me262's were shot down. 3 by the 332nd. (Tuskegee Airmen and 5 jets by the 31st, fighter group. Funny they left out the 5 jets shot down by the 31st.
That would be amazing, but it would mean that our country was wrong on many counts . I am an extra in this scene as well as 2 other scenes. The military was a mean spirit to many who had even tougher spirits to keep our country safe and secure. God bless all the minorities from past to present who all gave some and some gave all! Thank you airmen!
I attended the University of Tennessee on an engineering scholarship. The man who started the program that was designed to get minority students interested and to graduate them in engineering was a Tuskegee Airman. God bless the memory of the late Mr. Fred Brown and the University of Tennessee Minority Engineering Scholarship Program.
My Dad was a P-47 pilot in WW2, dropping out of his senior year of college right after Pearl Harbor and arrived in England after full training in early 1943.( he had never been in a plane; like 95% of them). He was in the 56th Fighter group, and of the small company sized group he arrived with, around 85 new fighter pilots, very few were alive by May 1945. He credited the P-47 with saving his life numerous times, with his plane being shot to pieces by several FW 190’s cannons and by ack-ack 88 mm flak many times. Any other plane and he would have died, but he always wanted to fly a P-51 like the Redtails and he met a couple of the Tuskegee pilots at a reunion in 1965. I remember how highly he spoke of them, as this was a time when blatant racism was still very much alive in North Carolina. He explained to a 10 year old boy how noble, brave and selfless the black men flying the P-51 bomber protection were when so many of the B-17 and B-24 white bomber crews wouldn’t even eat with men who gave their lives to protect them. The Tuskegee pilots are truly worthy of respect as the very best of humanity.
Yea, but take the last scene into.account. They changed the mind of a.racist man. Thru blood and sacrafice, and whats to say that those very men who.thet saved in.the sky amd.who's minds they changed, didnt then go on into politics to work at changing those laws. All it takes is one, and a.chain reaction begins.
Not all of them , some did go home to treated like dirt but others stayed in Europe where they were treated much better. The French was very welcoming as well as Germany.
I will always look up to these men. Thank you for your service. Thank you for everything you’ve done in America and thank you for everything you were not awarded for my salute to you, and all who served shoulder to shoulder.🌅❤️
I met one of the Tuskegee airmen when I was a service advisor for Dodge. With tears in my eyes thinking of this movie I thanked him for his service. I am white by the way. His smile was genuine and heartfelt has my tears.
As a retired Senior Black Special Operations NCO; I have much admiration for the Tuskegee Airman. What we fail to realize is other colored elements that contribute just as well or even more so. " Harlem Riders WW II, C co Black Ranger company, 555 Airborne Korean War, LRRP's Vietnam look into these all the way back to the the Civil War and Teddy Ruff Riders not just Airmen.
I log on as briscoejr1... Just something I learned last weekend.... Until the end of WWII... They liked to have ways of identifying a unit as all black....the 332 and all of the support groups... From WW1... There was the 369th... It is hard to understand why we were blessed with so many men who loved our country more than it loved them... But I am forever grateful for their service and sacrifice... It cleared the way for me to have much better chances when I served....
The 761st U.S. Tank Battalion The Original Black Panthers. Motto: "Come Out Fighting!" 1978 Presidential Unit Citation President James Earl Jimmy Carter. First Lieutenant Jack Roosevelt Jackie Robinson (1919 to 1972). Staff Sergeant Ruben Rivers (1921 to 1944) Medal of Honor 1997.
@Jimmie Smith Name one time. References please. So your saying the reputation of 761th. was known by all the German units and they were so scared of them they refused to fight them and got out of town when they heard they were coming? Sounds improbable! They would have been court marshaled for disobeying orders and probably seen the firing squad for disobeying orders. Show some references where this happened. I have done a search and have found no such examples where this happened. Please give some references where this happened.
@Jimmie Smith You believe the story that the Germans ran scared and did not fight Pattons Panthers.Ran from them...Correct? Do you believe Pattons Panthers were the best tankers in the war and the Germans were afraid of them? Show some proof.They fought in France and Belgium, and were one of the first American battalions to meet the Russian Army in Austria. They also broke through Nazi Germany's Siegfried line, allowing General George S. Patton's troops to enter Germany. , the men of the 761st received seven Silver Stars, 246 Purple Hearts and 1 Congressional Medal of Honor. The battalion would play a major role in the infamous Battle of the Bulge as they successfully countered the Germans last-ditch offensive. The 761st helped break out and rescue the encircled American army in the town of Bastogne. Sounds to me they were good at what they did.
The video left out the awesome part where one of the tuskegee guys askes "why were we assinged there?" And the replay was "you werent! You were requested!"
A black man saved my grandfather in Vietnam. Shielded his face from shrapnel. He was a SGT and a very humble one. He lost half of his team that day protecting some bridge. I wish I knew more but he died by his brother who stabbed him to death.
@@LEVELGAZANOW I personally like the Tuskegee Airmen and appreciate their contribution to civil rights. But having a relative who flew for the 8th. Army Air Corp. I could remember his anger when it was said such things as "they never lost a bomber and really took it personal the lie that he and his fellow collogues left the bombers unprotected in search for glory. In 2007 he felt vindication when the records were checked and exposed the many lies that they had been telling. He is now deceased but in his honor I correct the record when I hear false statements being made about him and his fellow heroes who flew for the 8th. Army Air Corp.
It's amazing the people who accept as historically accurate the lies and distortions presented in the 2 movies the Tuskegee Airmen and Red tales I realize in the movie Tuskegee Airmen it was not made until 1995 and new facts found in that movie is historically inaccurate when the records were checked in the early 2000's. Such as lost no bombers and sank a destroyer etc.. Or they were requested by bomber groups. But when you factually present the record...they call you racist.
The Tuskegee airmen were invited several times (inauguration) at the White House by Obama. We can't possibly imagine what a fantastic feeling that must have been for them and what an honour for Obama. Imagine someone in 1940 would have predicted that to them. They would call in a psychiatrist and he would go in the straight jacket immediately.
The 8th. Army Air Corp had been bombing Berlin for quite a while. It was 15th.AAC 1st time bombing Berlin. The 15th. bombed Berlin 24 March, 1945. 2 months before the war in Europe ended. 8 Me262's were shot down that day. Moreover, on the day three Tuskegee Airmen shot down three German jets over Berlin on March 24, 1945, five other American pilots of the Fifteenth Air Force, on the same mission, with the 31st Fighter Group, also shot down 5 German Me-262 jets They included Colonel William A. Daniel, 1st Lt. Forrest M. Keene, 1st Lt Raymond D. Leonard, Capt. Kenneth T. Smith, and 2nd Lt. William M. Wilder Roscoe Brown, Earl Lane, and Charles Brantley of the 332d Fighter Group’s 100th Fighter Squadron. shot down 3 Me262's All of these aerial victories was scored P-51 against ME-262 aircraft. Fighter pilots of the Fifteenth Air Force had shot down ME-262s on two earlier missions, but never so many on one day Berlin Bombing 3 Me262's were shot down by the Tuskegee Airmen 5 Me262's were shot down by the 31st. Fighter Group. A total of 8 Me262's were shot down over Berlin by the 15th.AAC on 24 March, 1945. Before this mission the 8th. Army Air Corp had already shot down over 60 Me262's. .
67 white American man here. To my knowledge the Tuskegee airmen never, ever lost a single bomber to enemy action. Not a one. Not ever. They lost many of their own protecting the bombers, but every single bomber they protected came home. I don't think any other WW-II fighter air group can claim that. They were the best.
That is a Complete Fabrication . Read up on it before you post your little FEEL GOOD Fables . When you attempt to Revise History , Next time be sure to Burn all the books and kill all the old people that know the truth first.
@@robertbishop5357 GOOGLE: misconceptions about the Tuskegee airmen' They lost bombers 27 and were dead last in kills for the 15th. ARMY AIR CORP after googling misconceptions about the Tuskegee Airmen you will be educated on 42 facts. ddress each of the following forty-five misconceptions separately: 1. The misconception of inferiority 2. The misconception of “never lost a bomber” 3. The misconception of the deprived ace 4. The misconception of being first to shoot down German jets 5. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen sank a German destroyer 6. The misconception of the “Great Train Robbery” 7. The misconception of Superiority 8. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen units were all black 9. The misconception that all Tuskegee Airmen were fighter pilots who flew red-tailed P-51s to escort bombers 10. The misconception that after a flight with a black pilot at Tuskegee, Eleanor Roosevelt persuaded the President to establish a black flying unit in the Army Air Corps 11. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen earned 150 Distinguished Flying Crosses during World War II 12. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen were the first to implement a “stick with the bombers” policy 13. The misconception that the 332nd Fighter Group was the only one to escort Fifteenth Air Force bombers over Berlin 14. The misconception that the 99th Fighter Squadron, unlike the white fighter squadrons with which it served, at first flew obsolete P-40 airplanes 15. The misconception that the training of black pilots for combat was an experiment 16. The misconception of the hidden trophy 17. The misconception that the outstanding World War II record of the Tuskegee Airmen alone convinced President Truman to desegregate the armed forces of the United States 18. The misconception that 332nd Fighter Group was the only group to paint the tails of its fighters a distinctive color, to distinguish them from the fighters of the other fighter escort groups 19. The misconception that all black military pilot training during World War II took place at Tuskegee Institute 20. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen were the only fighter pilots following the official policy of “sticking with the bombers” 21. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen’s 332nd Fighter Group flew more different kinds of aircraft in combat than any other Army Air Forces group during World War II 22. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen belonged to some of the most highly decorated units in U.S. military history 23. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen never got the recognition they deserved 24. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Charles McGee flew more combat missions than any other pilot in the Air Force 25. The misconception that all U.S. black military pilots during World War II were Tuskegee Airmen in the Army Air Forces 26. The misconception that Daniel “Chappie” James, the first four-star black general in the U.S. military services, was among the leaders of the “Freeman Field Mutiny” in April 1945 27. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen’s 332nd Fighter Group flew more combat missions than any other unit in Europe during World War II 28. The misconception that Col. Benjamin O. Davis, Jr., by ordering his pilots to “stick with the bombers,” put his pilots in greater danger than the white pilots, and gave them less opportunity to become aces 2 9. The misconception that Charles Alfred “Chief” Anderson taught himself how to fly 30. The misconception that Congress passed a law to create the first black flying unit 31. The misconception that black organizations and black newspapers all supported the training of black pilots at Tuskegee 32. The misconception that most of the flying instructors of the Tuskegee Airmen were black. 33. The misconception that Moton Field, location of the Tuskegee Airmen National Historic Site, was Tuskegee Army Air Field, where most black flying training took place during World War II 34. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen won the 1949 USAF gunnery meet in Las Vegas, defeating all other fighter groups in the Air Force 35. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Daniel “Chappie” James was an ace 36. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Benjamin O. Davis, Jr. graduated top in his class at the United States Military Academy at West Point 37. The misconception that there were “second-generation Tuskegee Airmen” 38. The misconception that each of the Tuskegee Airmen was awarded a Congressional Gold Medal, or that they were each awarded the Medal of Honor 39. The misconception that when the Tuskegee Airmen returned to the United States after combat overseas, no one welcomed them 40. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen were instrumental in the defeat of German forces in North Africa. 41. The misconception that all black personnel in the Army Air Forces during World War II were Tuskegee Airmen. 32. The misconception that most of the flying instructors of the Tuskegee Airmen were black. 33. The misconception that Moton Field, location of the Tuskegee Airmen National Historic Site, was Tuskegee Army Air Field, where most black flying training took place during World War II 34. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen won the 1949 USAF gunnery meet in Las Vegas, defeating all other fighter groups in the Air Force 35. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Daniel “Chappie” James was an ace 36. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Benjamin O. Davis, Jr. graduated top in his class at the United States Military Academy at West Point 37. The misconception that there were “second-generation Tuskegee Airmen” 38. The misconception that each of the Tuskegee Airmen was awarded a Congressional Gold Medal, or that they were each awarded the Medal of Honor 39. The misconception that when the Tuskegee Airmen returned to the United States after combat overseas, no one welcomed them 40. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen were instrumental in the defeat of German forces in North Africa. 41. The misconception that all black personnel in the Army Air Forces during World War II were Tuskegee Airmen GOOGLE; Misconceptions About the Tuskegee Airmen - Air Force ...www.afhra.af.mil › documents › TimelinesPDF Sep 2, 2016 - This paper focuses on forty-five misconceptions about the Tuskegee Airmen that, in light of the historical documentation available at the Air ...
71st. was the highest decorated...HANDS DOWN The squadron claimed 102 kills and produced 5 aces, including one pilot who became an ace in one mission. Did not flyP-51's The squadron claimed 102 kills and produced 5 aces, including one pilot who became an ace in one mission. In June 1943, General Carl Spaatz and General James H. Doolittle traveled to their UK base to present decorations earned in combat. This award ceremony was soon followed by Distinguished Unit Citations presented on 25 August 1943 and 30 August 1943 for escort missions against Italian targets D. Eiland was credited with the squadron's first-ever combat kill after downing a German Focke-Wulf Fw 190 on 4 December 1942. The pilots were continuously at the forefront of the air battles.[citation needed] Seventeen Campaign Participation Credits were awarded to the 71st and they earned three Distinguished Unit Citations. The squadron claimed 102 kills and produced 5 aces, including one pilot who became an ace in one mission. The 71st Squadron flew under the "Cragmore" callsign during World War II, and its original patch included a skull with lightning bolts in the shape of 71. In June 1943, General Carl Spaatz and General James H. Doolittle traveled to their UK base to present decorations earned in combat. This award ceremony was soon followed by Distinguished Unit Citations presented on 25 August 1943 and 30 August 1943 for escort missions against Italian targets.The squadron claimed 102 kills and produced 5 aces, including one pilot who became an ace in one mission. Upon completion of its tour in Europe, the squadron was inactivated in Italy on 16 October 1945.
@@gargouenzene The Tuskegee Airmen were less than 1% of the Army Air Corp. Their were thousands of bombers. The Tuskegee Airmen were located at Ramatelli where the bombers were located in Northern Italy and England. It was impossible for them to know each other. Also escorting was done on a strict rotational basis. You could not request escorts. You need to learn the truth about the T.A. GOOGLE: MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN go to page 34... it can also be found on TUSKEGEE AIRMEN INC the national chapter of the Tuskegee Airmen.
@@gargouenzene In reality this scene never happened. Hollywood license was used to make a point on morality. Crews could not request who would escort them. It was done on a strict rotational basis not by request.
@@nedstewart1 Of course this scene never actually happened you utter moron, it’s a move ffs. A movie is never 100% accurate and never will be because it is for entertainment purposes. If a historical film inspires people to look into the subject in greater detail, it has done its job and has done its job well.
This movie was my introduction to the legendary 332nd fighter regiment and it's still a good watch. I was happy when red tails came out and they brought Cuba Gooding Jr back to play the general.
Because the bombers and fighters had different cruise speeds, different planes would be assigned to escort at different parts of the mission. For Berlin, the bombers would have had six different escorts, often different aircraft types.
You crazy...This movie was great and Redtails was good too. Tuskegee pilots were involved with both films, especially this one...They gave their approval, so stop acting like a know it all.
@Chandros Evans Lots of fiction on the 2 Red Tail movies. GOOGLE: MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN go to page 34 misconceptions can also be found on TUSKEGEE AIRMEN INC the national chapter of the T.A. There you can find out the dates the Tuskegee Airmen lost 27 bombers to the German Air Force, and that were not requested and other truthful facts about the Tuskegee Airmen..
@Mason Murchison Kids need to know the truth or will not believe other things told to them.They couldn’t be everywhere at once. Yes, and their were only 64 fighters in their squadron and they were less than 1% of the fighter pilots. On bomber missions some times more than 1000 bombers were used. 66 fighters could do very little in protecting them. The T.A. did not protect the bombers alone. There were hundreds of other fighters protecting the bombers than the 66 Tuskegee Airmen.
As a retired Army Infantry Senior NCO, our military is populated with the cream of the crop among the American population and I’ve had the luxury of fighting next to great men of various skin colors in two wars. What matters is what’s in a man’s heart and if he has a permanent chip on his shoulder or not. Trust is critical and we never want to,let down our fellow Soldier. If the day comes when that trust relationship breaks down and only skin colors matter, we are finished as a nation; divided we fall.
Natives, Asians, African Americans got to love how they changed a way of thinking during that war. Making there kids push for the rights bill's of the 60s
On the Berlin raid there other fighter groups other than the 332nd. who escorted the Bombers to Berlin on March 24th., 1945. One of those fighter groups was the 31st. who shot down 5 Me-262's that day. Before that raid the 8th. Army Air Corp had regularly bombed Germany and had shot down more than 60 Me262's (German Jets).
Let’s not forget that by the time the 332nd was allowed to fight, the Luftwaffe had been reduced to the most inexperienced pilots with poorly maintained aircraft. The reality was that the 332nd did not face true opposition.
@@LEVELGAZANOW Yes, and Gen. Jimmy Doolittles order for the fighters leaving bombing protection and to seek out and destroy the German Air Force helped destroy the German Air Force. Yes, the bombers were sacrificed and it gave the fighters more kills...but it was a necessary decision and helped win the war in Europe earlier. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombers.
@@LEVELGAZANOW At one period the T.A. did not see a single German Plane the months they were attached to the 15th. Army Air Corp. Thank Gen. Doolittle for ordering his fighters to leave bomber protection and instead seek out and destroy the German Air force. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombrs.
On the Berlin raid the Tuskegee Airmen shot down 3 German jets. The 31st fighter group shot down 5 German jets on the same raid. Total of 8 German jets were shot down on that raid over Berlin.
That guy was being a racist for most of the video. So at the end of the day he is still a bad person due to his racism. The ending is just some bullshit because that guy is not capable of changing.
@@herosjourney8725 Clearly he was changing due to him literally requesting the 332nd to escort them. He swallowed his pride and prejudice and made a beneficial call for both his bombers and the 332nd.
In 2006-2007 1-16th Infantry didn't lose a single KBR truck to enemy hands. This mission was spear headed by minority soldier that were looked over then down on when it came to promotion or any other incentive for their sacrifice.
The Tuskegee Pilots, Fighter/Attack, escorting US Army Air Corps bombers did not lose one to enemy aircraft fire. When German pilots saw the red tails of the P51 Mustang (Pursuit 51), most peeled away knowing how the dogfight would be. The Germans were very aware of Whom were piloting, Colored US Army Air Corps Pilots! HOOAH! Future generations of colored (myself included as an Asian) Americans would benefit by their service even if many Tuskegee Pilots themselves didn't benefit. Thank you Gentlemen!
Byron Harano it’s a nice story but it’s just not true they did lose planes to enemy aircraft. After action reports show at least 25 bombers were lost to enemy aircraft under their escort. They were fantastic pioneers for black aviators but the truth will always do them better service than a nice lie.
@@robertofulton my understanding is no Bombers under their escort were lost from enemy aircraft fire. Ground fire certainly. The losses were still comparably low or remarkable considering the number of stories flrew all over Germany and especially Berlin. Still remarkable for men who at that time were "incapable" in the hearts of many. Cannot downplay their mark on US History and the positive impact to US psyche about the Colored Man. God bless the USA and all her Citizens.
Byron Harano www.nbcnews.com/id/17908209/ns/us_news-life/t/report-tuskegee-airmen-lost-bombers/ They did very well no doubt. It helped that they didn’t fight till late in the war when the Luftwaffe was undermanned, under machined and generally their aircraft had been outclassed by allied planes (me262 and fw190 aside) but the Tuskegee airman were still very good
Funny, the national organization of the Tuskegee Airmen disagree with you. Where did you hear that the Tuskegee Airmen" never lost a bomber"? You should inform them of your research because they claim the Tuskegee Airmen lost 27 bombers to the German Air Force. Did your research come from a Hollywood Movie? German pilots saw the red tails of the P51 Mustang (Pursuit 51), most peeled away knowing how the dogfight would be Wrong again! The white pilots were under orders under Congressional Medal of Honor winner General Jimmy Doolittle to fly in box formation and to leave bomber formation to seek out and destroy the German Air Force. This tactic depleted the German Air Force and gave the allies air superiority for the D Day invasion. Staying with the bombers could not defeat the German Air Force. Educate your self. Google: Tuskegee Airmen Inc. There you will educate your self about the TRUE story of the Tuskegee Airmen.
Since the 332nd. had 4 fighter squadrons and the rest of the fighter groups of the 15th. Army Air Corp only had 3 fighter squadrons giving the 332nd. a 16 fighter advantage it would be to an bomber groups advantage to request them even though such an request would be denied because fighter protection was done on a strict rotational basis. Can you imagine the 332nd. going through a bomber formation consisting of over a thousand bombers taking off from Ramitelli air field a temporary airfield southeast of Campomarino in the north of Apulia, Italy and finding that particular group bomber group who had requested them with over a thousand other bombers in the sky.. What ever happened to common sense?
I wish they would do a story about the women from tuskegee. The women were sent to u.k. to clear up the back log of mail. In two month, they had clear it and kept it running smoothly. It might not seem exciting as these guys but to the soliders and airman, like my dad, it means everything.
This makes me furious...just like Mississippi Burning .... I cannot fathom THINKING LIKE THIS!! 😢 it's so darn wrong!! I respect and support Tuskegee Airmen .... they MORE THAN DESERVE IT. I love ALL my military men and women 🇺🇸 who have done their part in keeping this nation free.... 👏 Texas Nana Psalm 91 (My father served 30 yrs USAF .. was in WWII, KOREAN 2X AND VIETNAM WAR. My grandson is Loadmaster on C-130 Hercules today.)
When the US Forces were in the UK the Brits had many a fight in pubs when the white airmen demanded the black guys be kicked out. It was THEM that got kicked out. We had people from the Caribbean fighting with Commonwealth forces and they were welcomed.
Yes I’m sure in one town, all three pubs in the area hung up signs saying “BLACK TROOPS ONLY” as a big ‘fuck you’ to the white officers demanding separated bars.
Wrong. Tuskegee Airmen made up less than 1% of the Army Air Corp. Show me where you hear this lie.The German Air Force was destroyed because Congressional Medal of Honor General Jimmy Doolittle ordered fighters to fly in front of bomber formation in box formation and upon coming in contact with the German Air Force would leave bomber formation and seek out and destroy the German Air Force. You could not destroy the German Air Force by staying with the bombers. General Doolittle's tactic was so successful that come D-Day the Allies ruled the sky's over Europe. Once again the tatick of staying with the bombers could do little in destroying the German Air Force.
Another person who states false hoods invented by a Hollywood Movie. 21,000 from the 8th. Army Air Corp lost their lives. 66 Tuskegee Airmen lost their lives. 21,000 vs 66. The Tuskegee Airmen which were about 1% of the fighter pilots. So you now claim that 1% saved so many lives. Were you ever taught critical thinking in school? Educate your self. Research the Tuskegee Airmen national head quarters web page. Google:TUSKEGEE AIRMEN INC. Learn the truth and quit believing Hollywood Movies made for HBO.
@@nedstewart1 basically without everybody who fought in that war was responsible for the victory in some part. Let's just say a quarter of those people who are not that big of an effect on the war never enlisted or even fought. The war might have turned out a little differently. Yes the Tuskegee Airmen were very small group. But they played a big role in World War II. Basically you are saying that you have no respect for the little people who fought in the war. There's a war that's called respect everybody who fought for our country. You might want to think about using that word and trying to understand that word before you start mouthing off. I know the numbers of the Tuskegee Airmen. I know the history about them. It's just like a pyramid. You can take some off the top and the structure will still stand but if you take away one small piece at the bottom the pyramid will collapse.
The UK version of the Tuskegee boys was 303 fighter sqn, flown by the polish lads who managed to escape before Poland was over run, hardly spoken about but fought like lions and had the results to prove it. To our eternal shame, they were "encouraged" to return to Poland after the war in to the hands of Stalin.
Boy that culture of Hate was strong and the truth was uncomfortable in his mouth, you could see it. In the end, his sense of duty overrode that prejudice and it was beautiful! We have that higher responsibility, that sense of duty to one another these days where the powers that be strive to keep us fighting amongst ourselves using the same racial biases and ignorance we are capable of to further their own agenda's. Be wary and do not follow the lies and filtered "facts" that they are feeding us through their own bought and paid for media. Practice critical thinking and do not let any of the "beliefs" you may have been programmed with in your youth, nor the hate you have seen to keep you from seeing the Truth behind what's really going on. Peace Out Everyone!
The 31st fighter group also flew to Berlin with the 332nd as escorts. A total of 8 German jets were shot down. 3 by the Tuskegee Airmen & 5 German jets shot down by the 31st fighter group...Bringing a total of 8 German jets shot down that day by the 15th. Army Air Corp.
@@jeanpreston4142 thank goodness we don’t have everyone has a chance to be who they want just got to escape the liberal cities they hold the minorities down schools with out books or materials for science. Yet blame it on racism from conservatives it’s the conservatives that support minorities by action go to Utah Idaho etc where it’s ran by conservatives. Go with an open mind
I met the last living Tuskegee Airmen and didn't know I was standing and talking to history, we took a picture, and I accidently deleted the pix from my phone😭😥😰
Altogether, 992 pilots graduated from the Tuskegee Air Field courses, and they flew 1,578 missions and 15,533 sorties, destroyed 261 enemy aircraft, and won more than 850 medals.
I love how the racist Captain eventually ate humble pie. "Them coloured boys? Yes sir, I want the 332nd to take me all the way to Berlin".
Why? They were dead last in kills as P-51 pilots in the 15th. Army Air Corp.
Ate humble pie in a Hollywood movie.
AND BACK-can’t forget that delicious last piece of that humble pie baby 😂👏🏾
@@nedstewart1 humble yourself and put into account how late they was put into the war
They had a horrible track record. You're buying off on the Hollywood Propaganda...
This scene and the one it leads to - "And we weren't assigned. We were requested" - are so uplifting.
He didnt just save his crew. He saved his whole damn unit.
My father was a fighter pilot in WWII. He flew P-47 Thunderbolts. Several years before he died, he met one of the Tuskegee Airmen. They compared notes and the gentleman who flew the P-51 teased my dad about how it could fly rings around his P-47, which it could. Dad took it goodnaturedly and considered himself honored to have met one of these great air warriors.
Wow thats a great story, salute to your father thank you for sharing. I'm a Black American and stories like this warms the heart
Only the Merlin engined P-51 could outperform the Thunderbolt. As originally equipped with the Allison engine, the P-51 wasn't much better than the P-40. Remember, it was the British idea to re-engine the P-51 to see how it would perform. The P-51 was originally designed for the British during 1940. North American Aviation was a very small company at that time and had never built a military aircraft. Northrup Grumman is actually the amalgamation of three very successful aircraft companies of World War II, North American (P-51, B-25), Republic (P-47), and Grumman ( F4F, F6F, F7F, F8F, TBF). They built many more famous types post war and are still building them now.
Additionally, the late model P-47M and N models were actually faster than the P-51, could fly nearly just as far, and all models were more heavily armed than the P-51. 8 .50 caliber machine guns were standard on all models plus 300 gallon drop tank and 2 1000 lb bombs. Rockets could also by mounted under the wings. P-51 was a wonderful aircraft and excelled in the escort role, but the Thunderbolt was the better all around fighter in U.S. service during the war. Nr. 1 Fighter Group in the 8th Air Force during the war, 56th FG "Wolfpack", flew the P-47 not the P-51and did so throughout its combat service in Europe. Think about that!
Cool story
P 51 was the baddest plane there was in matter of fact Herman Goering said when he saw the first mustang over Berlin he knew Germany lost the war.
The Jug was a better plane all together. The P-51 may be able to turn inside the 47. Maybe I guess depending on altitude.
I am White born in 1950, and I can honestly say the Tuskegee pilots are some of the greatest heroes of WW2. I grieve over the fact that they endured so much prejudice, while being so brave and so efficient as fighter pilots.
sr. i thank you soo soo much.. may god be with you😢❤❤❤
Same as all bBack Americans. Bullets re colour blind, but somr rednecks , who owed their lives to their black 'comrades' could never see that; and they still can't, they're voting for Make America Grate Again, and they are certainlly grating most of America.
My sister was a nurses aid to one of the remaining pilots before he passed. She loved hearing stories about his life in and before the service.
Love those Tuskegee airmen. Real heroes in several aspects.
True not much living its sad
Well said!
@@wesleybrown3922 I believe there are two alive.
Amen
well said
The best part was left out, when they where told that they where not assigned, but requested.
yep
“By Request” painted on the side.
There is another explanation. During the spring of
1944, Major General Ira C. Eaker, commander of the Mediterranean Allied Air Forces,
reassigned the 332d Fighter Group from the Twelfth Air Force to the Fifteenth Air Force
because he sought its help with bomber escort duty.28
In effect, Eaker had “requested”
the 332d Fighter Group for the bomber escort mission, even before the group had flown
any heavy bomber escort missions.
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This an example when the common sense is up against racism! Cheers from Brazil.
My salute to the Tuskegee Airmen and to others veterans, regardless of their reason to join the fight, they gave their best services to their nation.
Amen
veterans PROVE their worth
Great Message and acting. But not exactly how it happened. The total amount of planes the Tuskegee Airmen could posibbly
send for protection was 66 fighters. The 31st fighter group was sent along with the Tuskegee Airmen representing the 15th. Army
Air Corp. You could not request a certain fighter group to escort you. It would be a logistical nightmare. Escorting was done on a strict rotational basis. Durning the bombing on 4th of March 8 jet planes were shot down by the 15th. Army Air Corp. 3 by the
Tuskegee Airmen and 5 jets shot down by the 31st. fighter group. Why did they leave out the 5 shot down by the 31st, fighter group?
And why was it not mentioned that the 8th Army Air Corp had been bombing Berlin many times before the Tuskegee Airmen bombed it for the first time. 2 months before the war in Europe ended.
@@nedstewart1 It is true they were requested. Lt. Colonel B. O. Davis Jr. said it himself:"By request", and he was very proud of it and his men.
@@albertopalma1663 This scene was Hollywood license. It added in the telling of the story but did not happen exactly as the movie makers suggest. As far as being requested During the spring of
1944, Major General Ira C. Eaker, commander of the Mediterranean Allied Air Forces,
reassigned the 332d Fighter Group from the Twelfth Air Force to the Fifteenth Air Force
because he sought its help with bomber escort duty.
In effect, Eaker had “requested”
the 332d Fighter Group for the bomber escort mission, even before the group had flown
any heavy bomber escort missions.
One of my favorite scenes was where Mrs. Roosevelt tells the one Colonel that after her plane ride he can explain why the pilots are still at Tuskegee and not overseas fighting.
Did she really say that or is it Hollywood using artistic license?
@@nedstewart1 It was in the movie but I don't know if it actually happened.
@@chrisclark5204 He's a very hateful toll. Ignore him!
@@chrisclark5204 it actually happened there's even a photo of it
@@curtusdanton61 Wrong! You should post not using personal feelings but facts. President Roosevelt signed a bill to build the Tuskegee Airmen their training facilities before Ms. Roosevelt flew with Chief Anderson. Did you get your information from a Hollywood movie?
On April 3, 1939, President Roosevelt approved Public Law 18, that provided for an expansion of the Army Air Corps.
March of 1941... first lady Eleanor Roosevelt hopped in the back of pilot C. Alfred "Chief" Anderson's plane at the Tuskegee Army Air Field in Alabama and went for a flight.Mar 25, 2011(April 3,1939 a law had already been signed.) One section of the law offered hope for those African Americans who wanted to advance their military careers beyond the kitchen or the motor pool. It called for the creation of training programs to be located at black colleges which would prepare blacks for service in a variety of areas in the Air Corps support services.
I had the privilege of meeting some of the Red Tails years ago at a block party in Detroit. I don't remember much about it now, but I do remember they seemed to be a nice bunch of fellas. Looking back, I wish I would have spent more time getting to know them. I love learning history. They LIVED it!
and some of them are still alive
Went detroit central
One paragraph about the the Tuskegee Airmen
A Red Tail is an urban legend. Right up there with Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster. It's on my bucket list to finally meet one.
@@charlesloomis2224 That's not true, Loomis. The Red Tails did an excellent job of protecting the bombers, although the "Never Lost One to enemy action" is just not true. They had a well deserved reputation for sticking with the bombers. Conversely, their air-to-air combat record with the Luftwaffe, meaning fighter on fighter was dead last. All in..... Good chunk of Americans, held down by society, stood up to the plate. Their track record was quite good in some respects, and not very good by others. But, they hung in there and fought. So, yeah.... Respect. As I would say to any American who fought in WWII.
What a POWERFUL scene from this movie. Truth be told, it made me tear up. There's your proof Ppl, that the color of your skin doesn't matter, it's what you're made of as a person... As an Environmental Scientist, I've traveled & have set foot on all 7 Continents that make up our Planet, with the National Geographic Science Foundation. In the C-130's that we all travel in; owned by National Geographic, they have painted all of their C-130's to have Red Tails in HONOR of these brave & forgotten Heros that saved the United States in Europe during WWII. I feel so honored & save when I board these Military Type Planes, all with Red Tails. It has made me feel as an Honorary Member of the Tuskegee Red Tails. I swear, that I've sometimes have felt their presence in Spirit, during our many flights, & they're flanking us all. What a feeling. If U think for one moment that I'm full of SH**IT, all U have to do it Google me: Santiago Murillo-Tucson. Apology accepted.
The scene right after that should be part of this. The one where Lt. Col. Ben O. Davis tells the pilots they were "requested". That said it all.
He was requested to go to Europe by the upper command because that's where they were needed. They were not requested in this particular situation by bomber crews.
@@nedstewart1 + So What? just got to mouth off huh?
@Bud Tommy , actually sir , they were requested , not by a particular bomber squadron but by a particular pilot , although not word for word that scene it pretty accurate, I got to hear all about the Red Tails , from my grandfather, he was a Master Sargent and lead driver for the Red Ball Express that supplied their fuel , in 1578 combat missions , including shooting down 3 Germán ME 262 jet fighters , 179 of them bomber escort , they lost a total of 27 bombers compared to an average of 47 by other squadrons , pretty easy to see why they were requested .
@@MU-rx1tc Except it doesn't work that way. Each fighter squadron took its turn in the rotation when it came to bomber escort missions. If bomber pilots could pick and choose their escorts, based on the performance of the 332nd, that squadron would have never had down time for maintenance and would always be in the air, which also would have caused those pilots to become burned out and exhausted with no rest.
Jeff Burnham , I know it doesn’t work that way , except it did in that one particular case , I’m just telling what I heard from someone who was there .
Old days producers knew how to teach something to coming generation. Todays producers know how to entertain our ignorant generation
Bravehart and The Patriot would disagree with you. Both old school movies made before CGI but both were god awful when it comes to historical accuracy and teaching the viewer anything.
@@roberthoward9500 “By Request” painted on the side.
There is another explanation. During the spring of
1944, Major General Ira C. Eaker, commander of the Mediterranean Allied Air Forces,
reassigned the 332d Fighter Group from the Twelfth Air Force to the Fifteenth Air Force
because he sought its help with bomber escort duty.28
In effect, Eaker had “requested”
the 332d Fighter Group for the bomber escort mission, even before the group had flown
any heavy bomber escort missions.
Well.. Red Tails seemed pretty damn good honestly.
you're absolutely right; I used this film to help my older kid to understand a little bit more his/her history assignment and it worked fantastically, at the same time I taunt him/her a very important lesson for his/her years to come.
@@warrant_AZ5732*taught
I met a Tuskegee airmen once. He was an old respectable man who was motivating and teaching a lot of white and Mexican kids of the civil air defense.
What people seem to forget is that it was Puerto Rican flight instructors who taught them to fly. Also they taught them fighter tactics. My grandfather was not even mentioned or acknowledged in the movie.
Well, now, he is.
Is it small, insignificant as a recognition? Yes.
But it is still there.
We commend all of our veterans and while in officers candidacy school...the Puerto Rican candidates were some of the best ever!!!
The Tuskegee Airmen nothing but the utmost respect to all those lads .
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Great American's to flying across America's enemy. They are us. And we are them.
I was at an airshow several years back, and one of the grandsons was flying one of those planes as a demonstration. I wanted to meet him and tell him how thankful I was for his grandads sacrifice. I felt so proud of him.
The Tuskegee Airmen were an exceptional group of men. They fought and some died fighting for a nation that still considered them second class citizens. What does that say of the character of such men?
Colored boys.. lol they were probably the best damn air squad of their time. They are and will always be True American Heros.
The Tuskegee Airmen were great Americans. the best damn air squad of their time.
Not even close. In the 15th. Army Air Corp while having a great bomber protection record...They were dead last in
in kills as P-51 pilots. You could not destroy the German Air Force by staying with the bombers. Excepy fot the T.A. all fighters by the commander of the 8th. & 15th. Army Air Corp...Gen. Jimmy Doolittle in 1943 he ordered all fighters to leave bomber formation and to seek out and destroy the German Air Force. As a result D-Day was a success.
608th squardran had the highest kill ratio of any unit. They respected the Tuskegee airmen first not losing a bomber and they the Tuskegee respected them for there kill ratio . Respect comes from both sides and ends
@@paulgrieshop5024 THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN DID IN FACT LOSE 27 BOMBERS TO THE GERMAN AIR FORCE
GOOGLE: MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN. IT IS BACKED BY TUSKEGEE AIRMEN INC,
go to page 7
In reality, bombers under Tuskegee Airmen escort were shot down on seven different days:
June 9, 1944; June 13, 1944; July 12, 1944; July 18, 1944; July 20, 1944; August 24,
1944; and March 24, 1945.
Moreover, the Tuskegee Airmen flew 311 missions for the Fifteenth Air Force between early June 1944 and late April 1945, and only 179 of those missions escorted bombers.
Alan Gropman interviewed General Benjamin O. Davis, Jr., years after World
War II, and specifically asked him if the “never lost a bomber” statement were true.
General Davis replied that he questioned the statement, but that it had been repeated so
many times people were coming to believe it.
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@@nedstewart1 They where brave men, give them there damn respect for risking theire lives time after time. Instead of spewing your hate from your comfy chair.
"Never lost a bomber" is a myth and not something that the Tuskegee airmen ever claimed. I know it is shocking but Hollywood and the media sometimes exaggerate things! To be fair many of the mission reports were not made public for years and detailed study of the war records actually only occurred well after this movie was made. But claiming the 332nd was a poorly performing unit is also untrue. Of the 4 fighter groups in the 15th Air Force the 332nd had fewer bomber losses under their protection than the average fighter group in the 15th Air Force. They saw their job as disrupting enemy fighter attacks to protect the bombers rather than running off and playing dogfight games to get fighter kills. More fighter kills doesn't necessarily mean better protection. I have no expertise to assess their tactical doctrine. I do know that these men were heroes.
Like almost all of the WWII vets, they're just about all gone. I was blessed to have serval live in my area of SoCal. I believe the last Tuskegee Airman passed away a couple of years ago. They did their job admirably, then went home and were treated terribly. So glad people learned of their bravery and service.
These men, the Tuskegee Airmen, are the ones that not just the black community, but all people should look up to and celebrate. Not some multi-million dollar pro athlete who probably wouldn't know the first thing about true self sacrifice for something or someone beyond themselves.
Darren Headrick I could not agree with you more.
Self sacrifice comes in many forms. From Martin Luther king risking his life, his family and the safety of there church eventually being murdered same with malcolm x. This isnt even the first time football player(s) have stood up against racial inequality. In 1965 the American football league held its all star game in new Orleans where unsurprising they were met with open and violent racism. 21 players got together to boycott the game over the issue including some white players including hall of Famer Ron mix. Which got the venue to chang to Houston. Kap was a pretty good QB who self sacrificed millions of dollars to speak up at what he saw as injustice. And let's not be dishonest here he wasn't a good player considering mark Sanchez was still playing and he isn't....
Way to whitesplain who blacks should look up to
Does not matter what colour, what race, what religion. We all just need to be on the same page. Lest We Forget
@@alexamerling9363 you caught that too...
They should make this into a mini series or an HBO show with about 10 episodes so they can cover the entire story etc
They are making it but not necessarily on the Tuskegee airmen
@@nit23sharma Actually they could then make some historical corrections such as they lost no bombers claim when they lost 27 bombers...did not sink a destroyer, but it instead it was a Italian destroyer converted into a torpedo ship which did not sink, and on the Berlin raid a total of 8 Me262's were shot down. 3 by the 332nd. (Tuskegee Airmen and 5 jets by the 31st, fighter group. Funny they left out the 5 jets shot down by the 31st.
This basically would be it
That would be amazing, but it would mean that our country was wrong on many counts . I am an extra in this scene as well as 2 other scenes. The military was a mean spirit to many who had even tougher spirits to keep our country safe and secure. God bless all the minorities from past to present who all gave some and some gave all! Thank you airmen!
I attended the University of Tennessee on an engineering scholarship. The man who started the program that was designed to get minority students interested and to graduate them in engineering was a Tuskegee Airman. God bless the memory of the late Mr. Fred Brown and the University of Tennessee Minority Engineering Scholarship Program.
My Dad was a P-47 pilot in WW2, dropping out of his senior year of college right after Pearl Harbor and arrived in England after full training in early 1943.( he had never been in a plane; like 95% of them). He was in the 56th Fighter group, and of the small company sized group he arrived with, around 85 new fighter pilots, very few were alive by May 1945. He credited the P-47 with saving his life numerous times, with his plane being shot to pieces by several FW 190’s cannons and by ack-ack 88 mm flak many times. Any other plane and he would have died, but he always wanted to fly a P-51 like the Redtails and he met a couple of the Tuskegee pilots at a reunion in 1965. I remember how highly he spoke of them, as this was a time when blatant racism was still very much alive in North Carolina. He explained to a 10 year old boy how noble, brave and selfless the black men flying the P-51 bomber protection were when so many of the B-17 and B-24 white bomber crews wouldn’t even eat with men who gave their lives to protect them. The Tuskegee pilots are truly worthy of respect as the very best of humanity.
After all that they came back to the Jim Crow law. Injustice of the highest order.
Yea, but take the last scene into.account.
They changed the mind of a.racist man. Thru blood and sacrafice, and whats to say that those very men who.thet saved in.the sky amd.who's minds they changed, didnt then go on into politics to work at changing those laws.
All it takes is one, and a.chain reaction begins.
They are devils
well said
Not all of them , some did go home to treated like dirt but others stayed in Europe where they were treated much better. The French was very welcoming as well as Germany.
@@dangerfindertreasureseeker8905 didn’t know that. Thanks for the information
I will always look up to these men. Thank you for your service. Thank you for everything you’ve done in America and thank you for everything you were not awarded for my salute to you, and all who served shoulder to shoulder.🌅❤️
We plan to visit Tuskegee next month. As a fellow Army Aviator, I tip my hat to these brave American heroes from WWII.
I'm white.. I consider the Tuskegee Airmen and others like them as very significant contributers to American History and Society.
Those scenes were definitely moving.
I met one of the Tuskegee airmen when I was a service advisor for Dodge. With tears in my eyes thinking of this movie I thanked him for his service. I am white by the way. His smile was genuine and heartfelt has my tears.
Yes sir!
They were hero’s. As a white guy I’m ashamed of this part of history.
As a retired Senior Black Special Operations NCO; I have much admiration for the Tuskegee Airman. What we fail to realize is other colored elements that contribute just as well or even more so. " Harlem Riders WW II, C co Black Ranger company, 555 Airborne
Korean War, LRRP's Vietnam look into these all the way back to the the Civil War and Teddy Ruff Riders not just Airmen.
Don't forget the Harlem Hellfighters (369th Infantry from New York) in World War I....
I log on as briscoejr1... Just something I learned last weekend.... Until the end of WWII... They liked to have ways of identifying a unit as all black....the 332 and all of the support groups... From WW1... There was the 369th...
It is hard to understand why we were blessed with so many men who loved our country more than it loved them... But I am forever grateful for their service and sacrifice... It cleared the way for me to have much better chances when I served....
This has long been one of my favorite movies. It breaks my heart and pisses me off to think of what they had to endure.
One of the most unforgettable parts of the movie of some of our best pilots we have ever seen God bless those men!
LOL!
"...if it's all the same to you...I want the 332nd to take me to Berlin and back." I get a combination of chills and tears each time I see this.
I liked this movie better than "Red Tails"
This was the drama , red tails was the action
But I also agree liked this better
Old days producers knew how to teach something to coming generation. Todays producers know how to entertain our ignorant generation...
Well Red Tails picks up basically where the Tuskegee Airmen leaves off. So what else is like a continuation of Tuskegee just not as good I would think
@Chandros Evans Fuck off asshole!! Go play your racial agenda elsewhere
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Look Up "Patton's Panthers" all black tank unit during WWII.
Yessir! The 761st Battalion!!!
The 761st U.S. Tank Battalion The Original Black Panthers. Motto: "Come Out Fighting!" 1978 Presidential Unit Citation President James Earl Jimmy Carter. First Lieutenant Jack Roosevelt Jackie Robinson (1919 to 1972). Staff Sergeant Ruben Rivers (1921 to 1944) Medal of Honor 1997.
I just looked it. Awesome.👍👍
@Jimmie Smith Name one time. References please. So your saying the reputation of 761th. was known by all the German units and they were so scared of them they refused to fight them and got out of town when they heard they were coming? Sounds improbable! They would have been court marshaled for disobeying orders and probably seen the firing squad for disobeying orders. Show some references where this happened. I have done a search and have found no such examples where this happened. Please give some references where this happened.
@Jimmie Smith You believe the story that the Germans ran scared and did not fight Pattons Panthers.Ran from them...Correct? Do you believe Pattons Panthers were the best tankers in the war and the Germans were afraid of them? Show some proof.They fought in France and Belgium, and were one of the first American battalions to meet the Russian Army in Austria. They also broke through Nazi Germany's Siegfried line, allowing General George S. Patton's troops to enter Germany.
, the men of the 761st received seven Silver Stars, 246 Purple Hearts and 1 Congressional Medal of Honor. The battalion would play a major role in the infamous Battle of the Bulge as they successfully countered the Germans last-ditch offensive. The 761st helped break out and rescue the encircled American army in the town of Bastogne.
Sounds to me they were good at what they did.
The video left out the awesome part where one of the tuskegee guys askes "why were we assinged there?" And the replay was "you werent! You were requested!"
Amazing men who defied the odds to change perceptions and show how good they were and gain the respect they deserved.
Give a man something to prove, with those odds... what do you expect....Respect to those Tuskegee Airmen.
I grew up in Lubbock. The attitude of this character is not the way it is now. I served in the military for 22 years!
Buddy Holly was from Lubbock, Texas and died at the age of 22 when getting killed by crashing in Clear Lake, Iowa.
A black man saved my grandfather in Vietnam. Shielded his face from shrapnel. He was a SGT and a very humble one. He lost half of his team that day protecting some bridge. I wish I knew more but he died by his brother who stabbed him to death.
I still get tears watching this clip, and I saw the movie when it came out now its 2020 and it seems we are going backwards.
Its the politics unfortunately
The best part of the whole movie! Great trailer!❤️ God bless the Tuskegee Airmen!
Thank God for General Marshall. Had the courage to support the Airmen.
you'd think the pilots' goggles, leather helmets, and aviator sunglasses would have given away that they weren't cooks...
Nah but the racism would be less overt and harder to script haha
And even after all that hate, the Tuskegee Airmen said "hell yeah, we will take you to Berlin and back".
They & the 31st. were ordered to go on the bombing raid over Germany. To not do so would lead to Court Marshall and possible prison time.
@@nedstewart1 thank you for being a voice of reason of reality and not an opinion based on Hollywood.
@@LEVELGAZANOW I personally like the Tuskegee Airmen and appreciate their contribution to civil rights. But having a relative who flew for the 8th. Army Air Corp. I could remember his anger when it was said such things as "they never lost a bomber and really took it personal the lie that he and his fellow collogues left the bombers unprotected in search for glory. In 2007 he felt vindication when the records were checked and exposed the many lies that they had been telling. He is now deceased but in his honor I correct the record when I hear false statements being made about him and his fellow heroes who flew for the 8th. Army Air Corp.
It's amazing the people who accept as historically accurate the lies and distortions presented in the 2 movies the Tuskegee Airmen and Red tales I realize in the movie Tuskegee Airmen it was not made until 1995 and new facts found in that movie is historically inaccurate when the records were checked in the early 2000's. Such as lost no bombers and sank a destroyer etc.. Or they were requested by bomber groups. But when you factually present the record...they call you racist.
@@nedstewart1 Which of those things was untrue? Can you cite a source? And just because someone calls you a racist, it doesn’t mean you aren’t one.
The Tuskegee airmen were invited several times (inauguration) at the White House by Obama. We can't possibly imagine what a fantastic feeling that must have been for them and what an honour for Obama. Imagine someone in 1940 would have predicted that to them. They would call in a psychiatrist and he would go in the straight jacket immediately.
God bless these Men who served and they proved they do belong and it was over due for them to be recognized.
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The 332d took them to Berlin, Bravo.....
The 8th. Army Air Corp had been bombing Berlin for quite a while. It was 15th.AAC 1st time bombing Berlin. The 15th. bombed Berlin 24 March, 1945. 2 months before the war in Europe ended.
8 Me262's were shot down that day.
Moreover, on the day three Tuskegee Airmen shot down three German jets
over Berlin on March 24, 1945, five other American pilots of the Fifteenth Air Force, on the same mission, with the 31st Fighter Group, also shot down 5 German Me-262 jets
They included Colonel William A. Daniel, 1st Lt. Forrest M. Keene, 1st Lt Raymond D.
Leonard, Capt. Kenneth T. Smith, and 2nd Lt. William M. Wilder
Roscoe Brown, Earl Lane, and Charles Brantley of
the 332d Fighter Group’s 100th Fighter Squadron. shot down 3 Me262's
All of these aerial victories was scored
P-51 against ME-262 aircraft. Fighter pilots of the Fifteenth Air Force had shot down
ME-262s on two earlier missions, but never so many on one day
Berlin Bombing
3 Me262's were shot down by the Tuskegee Airmen
5 Me262's were shot down by the 31st. Fighter Group.
A total of 8 Me262's were shot down over Berlin by the 15th.AAC on 24 March, 1945.
Before this mission the 8th. Army Air Corp had already shot down over 60 Me262's.
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67 white American man here. To my knowledge the Tuskegee airmen never, ever lost a single bomber to enemy action. Not a one. Not ever. They lost many of their own protecting the bombers, but every single bomber they protected came home. I don't think any other WW-II fighter air group can claim that. They were the best.
The 332nd or Red Tails were the highest decorated and most successful of all the fighter squadrons in protecting the heavy's.
That is a Complete Fabrication . Read up on it before you post your little FEEL GOOD Fables . When you attempt to Revise History , Next time be sure to Burn all the books and kill all the old people that know the truth first.
@@tomslick6962 apparently you're a true expert on this subject. Why don't you show your proof instead of spouting off.
@@robertbishop5357 GOOGLE: misconceptions about the Tuskegee airmen'
They lost bombers 27 and were dead last in kills for the 15th. ARMY AIR CORP
after googling misconceptions about the Tuskegee Airmen you will be educated on 42 facts.
ddress each of the following forty-five misconceptions separately:
1. The misconception of inferiority
2. The misconception of “never lost a bomber”
3. The misconception of the deprived ace
4. The misconception of being first to shoot down German jets
5. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen sank a German destroyer
6. The misconception of the “Great Train Robbery”
7. The misconception of Superiority
8. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen units were all black
9. The misconception that all Tuskegee Airmen were fighter pilots who flew red-tailed
P-51s to escort bombers
10. The misconception that after a flight with a black pilot at Tuskegee, Eleanor
Roosevelt persuaded the President to establish a black flying unit in the Army Air Corps
11. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen earned 150 Distinguished Flying
Crosses during World War II
12. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen were the first to implement a “stick
with the bombers” policy
13. The misconception that the 332nd Fighter Group was the only one to escort Fifteenth
Air Force bombers over Berlin
14. The misconception that the 99th Fighter Squadron, unlike the white fighter squadrons
with which it served, at first flew obsolete P-40 airplanes
15. The misconception that the training of black pilots for combat was an experiment
16. The misconception of the hidden trophy
17. The misconception that the outstanding World War II record of the Tuskegee Airmen
alone convinced President Truman to desegregate the armed forces of the United States
18. The misconception that 332nd Fighter Group was the only group to paint the tails of
its fighters a distinctive color, to distinguish them from the fighters of the other fighter
escort groups
19. The misconception that all black military pilot training during World War II took
place at Tuskegee Institute
20. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen were the only fighter pilots following
the official policy of “sticking with the bombers”
21. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen’s 332nd Fighter Group flew more
different kinds of aircraft in combat than any other Army Air Forces group during World
War II
22. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen belonged to some of the most highly
decorated units in U.S. military history
23. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen never got the recognition they
deserved
24. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Charles McGee flew more combat
missions than any other pilot in the Air Force
25. The misconception that all U.S. black military pilots during World War II were
Tuskegee Airmen in the Army Air Forces
26. The misconception that Daniel “Chappie” James, the first four-star black general in
the U.S. military services, was among the leaders of the “Freeman Field Mutiny” in April
1945
27. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen’s 332nd Fighter Group flew more
combat missions than any other unit in Europe during World War II
28. The misconception that Col. Benjamin O. Davis, Jr., by ordering his pilots to “stick
with the bombers,” put his pilots in greater danger than the white pilots, and gave them
less opportunity to become aces 2
9. The misconception that Charles Alfred “Chief” Anderson taught himself how to fly
30. The misconception that Congress passed a law to create the first black flying unit
31. The misconception that black organizations and black newspapers all supported the
training of black pilots at Tuskegee
32. The misconception that most of the flying instructors of the Tuskegee Airmen were
black.
33. The misconception that Moton Field, location of the Tuskegee Airmen National
Historic Site, was Tuskegee Army Air Field, where most black flying training took place
during World War II
34. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen won the 1949 USAF gunnery meet in
Las Vegas, defeating all other fighter groups in the Air Force
35. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Daniel “Chappie” James was an ace
36. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Benjamin O. Davis, Jr. graduated top in
his class at the United States Military Academy at West Point
37. The misconception that there were “second-generation Tuskegee Airmen”
38. The misconception that each of the Tuskegee Airmen was awarded a Congressional
Gold Medal, or that they were each awarded the Medal of Honor
39. The misconception that when the Tuskegee Airmen returned to the United States
after combat overseas, no one welcomed them
40. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen were instrumental in the defeat of
German forces in North Africa.
41. The misconception that all black personnel in the Army Air Forces during World
War II were Tuskegee Airmen.
32. The misconception that most of the flying instructors of the Tuskegee Airmen were
black.
33. The misconception that Moton Field, location of the Tuskegee Airmen National
Historic Site, was Tuskegee Army Air Field, where most black flying training took place
during World War II
34. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen won the 1949 USAF gunnery meet in
Las Vegas, defeating all other fighter groups in the Air Force
35. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Daniel “Chappie” James was an ace
36. The misconception that Tuskegee Airman Benjamin O. Davis, Jr. graduated top in
his class at the United States Military Academy at West Point
37. The misconception that there were “second-generation Tuskegee Airmen”
38. The misconception that each of the Tuskegee Airmen was awarded a Congressional
Gold Medal, or that they were each awarded the Medal of Honor
39. The misconception that when the Tuskegee Airmen returned to the United States
after combat overseas, no one welcomed them
40. The misconception that the Tuskegee Airmen were instrumental in the defeat of
German forces in North Africa.
41. The misconception that all black personnel in the Army Air Forces during World
War II were Tuskegee Airmen
GOOGLE;
Misconceptions About the Tuskegee Airmen - Air Force ...www.afhra.af.mil › documents › TimelinesPDF
Sep 2, 2016 - This paper focuses on forty-five misconceptions about the Tuskegee Airmen that, in light of the historical documentation available at the Air ...
71st. was the highest decorated...HANDS DOWN
The squadron claimed 102 kills and produced 5 aces, including one pilot who became an ace in one mission. Did not flyP-51's
The squadron claimed 102 kills and produced 5 aces, including one pilot who became an ace in one mission.
In June 1943, General Carl Spaatz and General James H. Doolittle traveled to their UK base to present decorations earned in combat. This award ceremony was soon followed by Distinguished Unit Citations presented on 25 August 1943 and 30 August 1943 for escort missions against Italian targets
D. Eiland was credited with the squadron's first-ever combat kill after downing a German Focke-Wulf Fw 190 on 4 December 1942. The pilots were continuously at the forefront of the air battles.[citation needed] Seventeen Campaign Participation Credits were awarded to the 71st and they earned three Distinguished Unit Citations. The squadron claimed 102 kills and produced 5 aces, including one pilot who became an ace in one mission. The 71st Squadron flew under the "Cragmore" callsign during World War II, and its original patch included a skull with lightning bolts in the shape of 71. In June 1943, General Carl Spaatz and General James H. Doolittle traveled to their UK base to present decorations earned in combat. This award ceremony was soon followed by Distinguished Unit Citations presented on 25 August 1943 and 30 August 1943 for escort missions against Italian targets.The squadron claimed 102 kills and produced 5 aces, including one pilot who became an ace in one mission. Upon completion of its tour in Europe, the squadron was inactivated in Italy on 16 October 1945.
We appreciate your research but facts don't sell well at the box office, especially in the US.
Love this film, love these moments.
Yep. It's great to watch that racist pile of shit to admit in front of His gang that he wants the black pilots to escort them.
@@gargouenzene The Tuskegee Airmen were less than 1% of the Army Air Corp. Their were thousands of bombers. The Tuskegee Airmen were located at Ramatelli where the bombers were located in Northern Italy and England. It was impossible for them to know each other. Also escorting was done on a strict rotational basis. You could not request escorts.
You need to learn the truth about the T.A.
GOOGLE: MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN go to page 34... it can also be found on TUSKEGEE AIRMEN INC
the national chapter of the Tuskegee Airmen.
@@gargouenzene In reality this scene never happened. Hollywood license was used to make a point on morality. Crews could not request who would escort them. It was done on a strict rotational basis not by request.
@@nedstewart1 Of course this scene never actually happened you utter moron, it’s a move ffs. A movie is never 100% accurate and never will be because it is for entertainment purposes. If a historical film inspires people to look into the subject in greater detail, it has done its job and has done its job well.
This movie was my introduction to the legendary 332nd fighter regiment and it's still a good watch. I was happy when red tails came out and they brought Cuba Gooding Jr back to play the general.
Because the bombers and fighters had different cruise speeds, different planes would be assigned to escort at different parts of the mission. For Berlin, the bombers would have had six different escorts, often different aircraft types.
Niether this movie or 'Red Tails' really did justice for the Tuskegee Airmen.
You crazy...This movie was great and Redtails was good too. Tuskegee pilots were involved with both films, especially this one...They gave their approval, so stop acting like a know it all.
@@thegamingchef3304 Some would rather not see anything at all relative these hated people.
To be fair Red Tails also took liberties with what they got to face, and gave the germans weapons they din't use.
@Chandros Evans Lots of fiction on the 2 Red Tail movies.
GOOGLE: MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT THE TUSKEGEE AIRMEN go to page 34
misconceptions can also be found on TUSKEGEE AIRMEN INC the national chapter of the T.A.
There you can find out the dates the Tuskegee Airmen lost 27 bombers to the German Air Force, and that were not requested
and other truthful facts about the Tuskegee Airmen..
@Mason Murchison Kids need to know the truth or will not believe other things told to them.They couldn’t be everywhere at once. Yes, and their were only 64 fighters in their squadron and they were less than 1% of the fighter pilots. On bomber missions some times more than 1000 bombers were used. 66 fighters could do very little in protecting them. The T.A. did not protect the bombers alone. There were hundreds of other fighters protecting the bombers than the 66 Tuskegee Airmen.
As a retired Army Infantry Senior NCO, our military is populated with the cream of the crop among the American population and I’ve had the luxury of fighting next to great men of various skin colors in two wars. What matters is what’s in a man’s heart and if he has a permanent chip on his shoulder or not. Trust is critical and we never want to,let down our fellow Soldier. If the day comes when that trust relationship breaks down and only skin colors matter, we are finished as a nation; divided we fall.
Natives, Asians, African Americans got to love how they changed a way of thinking during that war. Making there kids push for the rights bill's of the 60s
"Lock,Stock and Pilot",brilliant. Fantastic film. The pilots did an outstanding job in the war.
Red tails could take me to Berlin and back. The finest escort one could hope for!
On the Berlin raid there other fighter groups other than the 332nd. who escorted the Bombers to Berlin on March 24th., 1945. One of those fighter groups was the 31st. who shot down 5 Me-262's that day. Before that raid the 8th. Army Air Corp had regularly bombed Germany and had shot down more than 60 Me262's (German Jets).
Let’s not forget that by the time the 332nd was allowed to fight, the Luftwaffe had been reduced to the most inexperienced pilots with poorly maintained aircraft. The reality was that the 332nd did not face true opposition.
@@LEVELGAZANOW Yes, and Gen. Jimmy Doolittles order for the fighters leaving bombing protection and to seek out and destroy the German Air Force helped destroy the German Air Force. Yes, the bombers were sacrificed and it gave the fighters more kills...but it was a necessary decision and helped win the war in Europe earlier. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombers.
@@LEVELGAZANOW At one period the T.A. did not see a single German Plane the months they were attached to the 15th. Army Air Corp. Thank Gen. Doolittle for ordering his fighters to leave bomber protection and instead seek out and destroy the German Air force. You could not destroy the German Air Force staying with the bombrs.
On the Berlin raid the Tuskegee Airmen shot down 3 German jets. The 31st fighter group shot down 5 German jets
on the same raid.
Total of 8 German jets were shot down on that raid over Berlin.
America is so divided, the next war is already lost.
Him requesting the everything he's against must have hurt sometimes you have to swallow that pride
He realized he wanted to live, and in that case skin pigmentation became secondary...
That guy was being a racist for most of the video. So at the end of the day he is still a bad person due to his racism. The ending is just some bullshit because that guy is not capable of changing.
@@herosjourney8725 Clearly he was changing due to him literally requesting the 332nd to escort them. He swallowed his pride and prejudice and made a beneficial call for both his bombers and the 332nd.
Tears flows from my eyes every time i watch this movie!
as a Texas boy to another "texas boy" bless your heart.
@Michael L That’s just east Texas
Glad I Got this on DVD. Heaven is for Heroes. R.I.P.
In 2006-2007 1-16th Infantry didn't lose a single KBR truck to enemy hands. This mission was spear headed by minority soldier that were looked over then down on when it came to promotion or any other incentive for their sacrifice.
The Tuskegee Airmen fought two wars and won them both.
Houston! We have a problem. Captain! Thank You for the sociology lesson.
I have 100% Respect to The Tuskegee brothers and there reason for joining the army.
Another fact about that squadron was shown in this movie. They were the only unit to destroy an enemy ship with just strafing fire.
Myth.
332, RESPECT
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Hell Man!
When your good (at you job!)
YOUR GOOD!
The Tuskegee Pilots, Fighter/Attack, escorting US Army Air Corps bombers did not lose one to enemy aircraft fire. When German pilots saw the red tails of the P51 Mustang (Pursuit 51), most peeled away knowing how the dogfight would be. The Germans were very aware of Whom were piloting, Colored US Army Air Corps Pilots! HOOAH! Future generations of colored (myself included as an Asian) Americans would benefit by their service even if many Tuskegee Pilots themselves didn't benefit. Thank you Gentlemen!
Byron Harano it’s a nice story but it’s just not true they did lose planes to enemy aircraft.
After action reports show at least 25 bombers were lost to enemy aircraft under their escort. They were fantastic pioneers for black aviators but the truth will always do them better service than a nice lie.
@@robertofulton my understanding is no Bombers under their escort were lost from enemy aircraft fire. Ground fire certainly. The losses were still comparably low or remarkable considering the number of stories flrew all over Germany and especially Berlin. Still remarkable for men who at that time were "incapable" in the hearts of many. Cannot downplay their mark on US History and the positive impact to US psyche about the Colored Man. God bless the USA and all her Citizens.
Byron Harano www.nbcnews.com/id/17908209/ns/us_news-life/t/report-tuskegee-airmen-lost-bombers/
They did very well no doubt. It helped that they didn’t fight till late in the war when the Luftwaffe was undermanned, under machined and generally their aircraft had been outclassed by allied planes (me262 and fw190 aside) but the Tuskegee airman were still very good
@@robertofulton Robert thank you for the link. I will read. Thank you
Funny, the national organization of the Tuskegee Airmen disagree with you. Where did you hear that the Tuskegee Airmen" never lost a bomber"? You should inform them of your research because they claim the Tuskegee Airmen lost 27 bombers to the German Air Force. Did your research come from a Hollywood Movie?
German pilots saw the red tails of the P51 Mustang (Pursuit 51), most peeled away knowing how the dogfight would be
Wrong again! The white pilots were under orders under Congressional Medal of Honor winner General Jimmy Doolittle to fly in box formation and to leave bomber formation to seek out and destroy the German Air Force. This tactic depleted the German Air Force and gave the allies air superiority for the D Day invasion. Staying with the bombers could not defeat the German Air Force.
Educate your self. Google: Tuskegee Airmen Inc.
There you will educate your self about the TRUE story of the Tuskegee Airmen.
I WANT THE 332ND ESCORTING US
Since the 332nd. had 4 fighter squadrons and the rest of the fighter groups of the 15th. Army Air Corp only had 3 fighter squadrons giving the 332nd. a 16 fighter advantage it would be to an bomber groups advantage to request them even though such an request would be denied because fighter protection was done on a strict rotational basis. Can you imagine the 332nd. going through a bomber formation consisting of over a thousand bombers taking off from Ramitelli air field a temporary airfield southeast of Campomarino in the north of Apulia, Italy and finding that particular group bomber group who had requested them with over a thousand other bombers in the sky.. What ever happened to common sense?
And that respect was hard earned by the Tuskegee Airmen and they deserved it :)
Very true experience for those young men
Cuba Gooding Jr in both this and Red tails as different characters is great.
The Sgt. said it was a "fluke" -- well, if it was a fluke, that "fluke" -- saved your life...
I wish they would do a story about the women from tuskegee. The women were sent to u.k. to clear up the back log of mail. In two month, they had clear it and kept it running smoothly. It might not seem exciting as these guys but to the soliders and airman, like my dad, it means everything.
Very awesome movie I don’t have this in my movie collection but I sure wish I did
This makes me furious...just like Mississippi Burning .... I cannot fathom THINKING LIKE THIS!! 😢 it's so darn wrong!!
I respect and support Tuskegee Airmen .... they MORE THAN DESERVE IT.
I love ALL my military men and women 🇺🇸 who have done their part in keeping this nation free.... 👏
Texas Nana
Psalm 91
(My father served 30 yrs USAF .. was in WWII, KOREAN 2X AND VIETNAM WAR. My grandson is Loadmaster on C-130 Hercules today.)
When the US Forces were in the UK the Brits had many a fight in pubs when the white airmen demanded the black guys be kicked out. It was THEM that got kicked out. We had people from the Caribbean fighting with Commonwealth forces and they were welcomed.
Yes I’m sure in one town, all three pubs in the area hung up signs saying “BLACK TROOPS ONLY” as a big ‘fuck you’ to the white officers demanding separated bars.
The Tuskegee Airmen save so many lives and without them who knows what might have happened in World War II.
Wrong. Tuskegee Airmen made up less than 1% of the Army Air Corp. Show me where you hear this lie.The German Air Force was destroyed because Congressional Medal of Honor General Jimmy Doolittle ordered fighters to fly in front of bomber formation in box formation and upon coming in contact with the German Air Force would leave bomber formation and seek out and destroy the German Air Force. You could not destroy the German Air Force by staying with the bombers. General Doolittle's tactic was so successful that come D-Day the Allies ruled the sky's over Europe. Once again the tatick of staying with the bombers could do little in destroying the German Air Force.
Another person who states false hoods invented by a Hollywood Movie. 21,000 from the 8th. Army Air Corp lost their lives. 66 Tuskegee Airmen lost their lives. 21,000 vs 66. The Tuskegee Airmen which were about 1% of the fighter pilots. So you now claim that 1% saved so many lives. Were you ever taught critical thinking in school?
Educate your self. Research the Tuskegee Airmen national head quarters web page.
Google:TUSKEGEE AIRMEN INC. Learn the truth and quit believing Hollywood Movies made for HBO.
@@nedstewart1 basically without everybody who fought in that war was responsible for the victory in some part. Let's just say a quarter of those people who are not that big of an effect on the war never enlisted or even fought. The war might have turned out a little differently. Yes the Tuskegee Airmen were very small group. But they played a big role in World War II. Basically you are saying that you have no respect for the little people who fought in the war. There's a war that's called respect everybody who fought for our country. You might want to think about using that word and trying to understand that word before you start mouthing off. I know the numbers of the Tuskegee Airmen. I know the history about them. It's just like a pyramid. You can take some off the top and the structure will still stand but if you take away one small piece at the bottom the pyramid will collapse.
@@bowlnow824 Ignore the hateful troll - he does not care about anything you may say!
When I was young I cried when I first saw this scene. I guess color people can fly after all.😌💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯👍🏾🙏🏾
The UK version of the Tuskegee boys was 303 fighter sqn, flown by the polish lads who managed to escape before Poland was over run, hardly spoken about but fought like lions and had the results to prove it. To our eternal shame, they were "encouraged" to return to Poland after the war in to the hands of Stalin.
USAF 332nd Tuskegee Airmen, Heaven is for Heroes. May They R.I.P.
Boy that culture of Hate was strong and the truth was uncomfortable in his mouth, you could see it. In the end, his sense of duty overrode that prejudice and it was beautiful! We have that higher responsibility, that sense of duty to one another these days where the powers that be strive to keep us fighting amongst ourselves using the same racial biases and ignorance we are capable of to further their own agenda's. Be wary and do not follow the lies and filtered "facts" that they are feeding us through their own bought and paid for media. Practice critical thinking and do not let any of the "beliefs" you may have been programmed with in your youth, nor the hate you have seen to keep you from seeing the Truth behind what's really going on. Peace Out Everyone!
I could not have said it any better than that myself.
Long memory ALL Tuskeguee mens! Saluti do Brasil 🇧🇷👏🏽
Great movie. 332nd can take me to Berlin and back any day of the week.
The 31st fighter group also flew to Berlin with the 332nd as escorts. A total of 8 German jets were shot down. 3 by
the Tuskegee Airmen & 5 German jets shot down by the 31st fighter group...Bringing a total of 8 German jets shot down that day by the 15th. Army Air Corp.
Tuskegee Airmen prove the stupidity of racists. They tried to keep them out of the war, but inadvertently made them the best.
I love the fact that they didn’t riot and lute they stepped up and showed us what men do and how to overcome!
... and they still came home to discrimination. It took the "distress of the 60s to effect REAL change.
@@jeanpreston4142 thank goodness we don’t have everyone has a chance to be who they want just got to escape the liberal cities they hold the minorities down schools with out books or materials for science. Yet blame it on racism from conservatives it’s the conservatives that support minorities by action go to Utah Idaho etc where it’s ran by conservatives. Go with an open mind
761st tank battalion research about them
This film is awesome......that Hollywood ever made
I met the last living Tuskegee Airmen and didn't know I was standing and talking to history, we took a picture, and I accidently deleted the pix from my phone😭😥😰
I loved this scene and movie!
"If it's all the same to you, I want the 332nd to take me to Berlin and back..."
Love how Red chenges his mind
All the pretty jackets are brand new, perfectly clean white fuzzy collars. Oops from the costume dept.
Great movie.