Dear Mr. Hall, we swimmers are forever indebted to your great insight (and for free!). I notice the hyper streamline does not involve putting biceps behind my head (my coach likens it with what Phelps do), instead the biceps appear to squeeze the ears (like what Rebecca did, and if I am not mistaken, what Cavic did in the 2008 100 fly). is there any difference between the 2? which one should i use for drills and underwater. many thanks again Mr. Hall
Revan Ng Some great coaches advocate squeezing the biceps against the ears, but I believe Phelps got it right. He tucks the chin down, nearly touching the chest, then places the arms behind the head, squeezing the elbows nearly together. A recent German study shows that this position does create less frontal drag....but the difference is probably a few percent over the other one.
I'm only 1 minute into this video and I realized that her stroke stops almost half way and she strikes forward much earlier than most people ive seen including myself, this is actually quite interesting considering how hugging the hands fully to the chest doesnt actually make you go that much faster and I've always found it to slow my stroke rate down
Rebecca has one of the fastest kick cycle times of any breaststroker we have recorded. While it doesn't look like it, she elevates her shoulders really high, then delays her arms during the pull recovery, pulling the elbows way back. She also doesn't drop her elbows much during the pull cycle. We call this a delayed pull technique.
I need to get the habit to keep my hands straight together over head and face down. That streamline. I I often find myself looking forward because I want to make sure where I'm going
You want to rotate the head backward for the breath to reach the trough...the low point in front of the crest from the bow wave created by your head. Keep one goggle in the water for the breath and lift the mouth to reach up for the air.
Hi TheRaceClub I'm unable to get proper shoulder elevation in my breaststroke pull, though I can still breathe. Could you please help me with some tips on good shoulder elevation? Thank you so much!
Good question. I assume you mean in Breaststroke? If so, I had always thought a wide pull was not desirable...until I realized that Adam Peaty has an extremely wide pull. His out sweep creates a lot of lift enabling him to elevate his shoulders out of the water. He has a very short (elliptical pull) and fast pulling cycle that relies more on his powerful kick and high stroke rate for propulsion and speed. At the time of his kick propulsion, Adam's hands are together in front, not separated, nor pulling, which reduces the frontal drag during this critical moment.
We like what we call a "low profile" head position. That means the crown of the head is still pointing forward, and not up. It would be hard to get a breath in while looking down, but you shouldn't need more than half your face (or one goggle) to come out of the water to take your breath.
Thanks for posting these! Observation: the swimmer stops completely at the recovery of the legs. Maybe the camera movement makes me think I see a little Backward glide esp at 3:21 and 3:58. I can't tell watching the tiles on the pool floor, but tt sure feels like I stop cold, too. I try to kick the moment I've loaded my legs for the kick. I'm new at this, and have nothing to support my theory that I should recover my lower legs and feet in the "shadow" of my thighs, working more on knee flexion than on hip flexion. What stops us the most, hip flexion or knee flexion? Which can we flex less and still get good propulsion? Does breaststroke have to be stop-start-glide-stop?
👍 Think the glide phase is important. But you must found the point where you slow down in this phase. You have to find the point in the glide phase where you have the fastest speed and then pull again. 👌 Not easy 😉
Everyone slows down after the kick. Some much more than others. The ability to retain speed after the kick depends greatly on the streamlining ability of the swimmer at both ends front and back. Most great breaststrokers lose about 25% of their peak speed before the pull, but I have seen some lose as much as 70%. The longer one waits before the next pull cycle, the more speed will be lost. For example, one Olympian we tested lost 25% of his speed at a SR of 55 but 40% of his speed at a SR of 35.
@@theraceclub Hi thanks. That sounds interesting. Do you differentiate between long and short distanzes? i figured out that a high frequency of 50 to 100 meters is effektive. It seems to have a different effect on the short 25 meter lanes than on the 50 meter lanes. In the 200 meter competitions, it seems to me that the gliding phase lasts longer for almost all professional swimmers than in the 50 meter sprint distances. High frequencies mean that the swimmer has to move more in the anaerobic zone.
This doesn't seem right. around 0:20 I see hands moving away to the side and less pushing backwards, this seems less efficient. Body curving seems good, her legs stay parallel to the surface, but the hands movement seems off.
The wide pull in breaststroke is the most powerful and efficient way of pulling in breaststroke. Narrow pull lessens propulsion and causes the hands to slip in the water.
@@jupitereye4322 understood. Since the arm is a fixed length and the shoulders start elevating during the pull, the hands start to move backward toward the end of the out sweep (lift phase), generating some propulsion, but the big propulsion occurs after the hands turn the corner and press backward.
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Wow so fascinating to do the streamline . Breaststroke is honestly the best stroke that I Can swim with.
soni's kicks look so easy but powerful, why? incredible!!!
Always great information. Thanks for making these videos.
Brian Rusk You are welcome, Brian.
Thanks for making this, really helpful, will use this with swimmers I coach!
Dear Mr. Hall, we swimmers are forever indebted to your great insight (and for free!).
I notice the hyper streamline does not involve putting biceps behind my head (my coach likens it with what Phelps do), instead the biceps appear to squeeze the ears (like what Rebecca did, and if I am not mistaken, what Cavic did in the 2008 100 fly).
is there any difference between the 2? which one should i use for drills and underwater.
many thanks again Mr. Hall
Revan Ng Some great coaches advocate squeezing the biceps against the ears, but I believe Phelps got it right. He tucks the chin down, nearly touching the chest, then places the arms behind the head, squeezing the elbows nearly together. A recent German study shows that this position does create less frontal drag....but the difference is probably a few percent over the other one.
I'm only 1 minute into this video and I realized that her stroke stops almost half way and she strikes forward much earlier than most people ive seen including myself, this is actually quite interesting considering how hugging the hands fully to the chest doesnt actually make you go that much faster and I've always found it to slow my stroke rate down
Rebecca has one of the fastest kick cycle times of any breaststroker we have recorded. While it doesn't look like it, she elevates her shoulders really high, then delays her arms during the pull recovery, pulling the elbows way back. She also doesn't drop her elbows much during the pull cycle. We call this a delayed pull technique.
Great video🙌🏾 Definitely putting into practice next time in the pool
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I need to get the habit to keep my hands straight together over head and face down. That streamline.
I I often find myself looking forward because I want to make sure where I'm going
+formosa Keep your head down. Stay to the right..out of harm's way.
When i go out for breathing, should my head follow the movement of my hands or should i keep it looking down?
You want to rotate the head backward for the breath to reach the trough...the low point in front of the crest from the bow wave created by your head. Keep one goggle in the water for the breath and lift the mouth to reach up for the air.
@@theraceclub What do you mean by "one goggle in water"? It's the breaststroke; aren't both goggles symmetricaly placed and horizontal?
As always great video
?Does cycling increase breaststroke kick power
It can help. So do squats and leg presses...but breaststroke kicking is critical to improve your speed.
Hi TheRaceClub
I'm unable to get proper shoulder elevation in my breaststroke pull, though I can still breathe.
Could you please help me with some tips on good shoulder elevation?
Thank you so much!
You need more lumbar extension flexibility. Work on that and you will be able to elevate the shoulders higher.
Does a wide(r) pull create more drag? My timing seems to flow more with a wide pull.
Good question. I assume you mean in Breaststroke? If so, I had always thought a wide pull was not desirable...until I realized that Adam Peaty has an extremely wide pull. His out sweep creates a lot of lift enabling him to elevate his shoulders out of the water. He has a very short (elliptical pull) and fast pulling cycle that relies more on his powerful kick and high stroke rate for propulsion and speed. At the time of his kick propulsion, Adam's hands are together in front, not separated, nor pulling, which reduces the frontal drag during this critical moment.
theraceclub I observe that he sculls out then comes in narrrow
Yes...and very quickly.
It is a great video
Thanks.
how is the head position when breathing?? some coaches like to keep head still looking down. do you agree? thank you
William Chohfi
We like what we call a "low profile" head position. That means the crown of the head is still pointing forward, and not up. It would be hard to get a breath in while looking down, but you shouldn't need more than half your face (or one goggle) to come out of the water to take your breath.
@@MrSidReal agree
Thanks for posting these!
Observation: the swimmer stops completely at the recovery of the legs. Maybe the camera movement makes me think I see a little Backward glide esp at 3:21 and 3:58.
I can't tell watching the tiles on the pool floor, but tt sure feels like I stop cold, too. I try to kick the moment I've loaded my legs for the kick. I'm new at this, and have nothing to support my theory that I should recover my lower legs and feet in the "shadow" of my thighs, working more on knee flexion than on hip flexion. What stops us the most, hip flexion or knee flexion? Which can we flex less and still get good propulsion? Does breaststroke have to be stop-start-glide-stop?
Not just you...everyone goes to velocity near zero when the legs are drawn forward for the next stroke. Breaststroke is truly a stop-and-go stroke.
Do you have to pull firmly to swim faster
Yes.
how can I increase leg power of my leg in breaststroke
Hip flexibility exercises, strength workouts (squats and lunges) and lots of good breaststroke kicking with knees inside the hips.
Wow
👍 Think the glide phase is important. But you must found the point where you slow down in this phase. You have to find the point in the glide phase where you have the fastest speed and then pull again. 👌 Not easy 😉
Everyone slows down after the kick. Some much more than others. The ability to retain speed after the kick depends greatly on the streamlining ability of the swimmer at both ends front and back. Most great breaststrokers lose about 25% of their peak speed before the pull, but I have seen some lose as much as 70%. The longer one waits before the next pull cycle, the more speed will be lost. For example, one Olympian we tested lost 25% of his speed at a SR of 55 but 40% of his speed at a SR of 35.
@@theraceclub Hi thanks. That sounds interesting. Do you differentiate between long and short distanzes? i figured out that a high frequency of 50 to 100 meters is effektive. It seems to have a different effect on the short 25 meter lanes than on the 50 meter lanes. In the 200 meter competitions, it seems to me that the gliding phase lasts longer for almost all professional swimmers than in the 50 meter sprint distances. High frequencies mean that the swimmer has to move more in the anaerobic zone.
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This doesn't seem right. around 0:20 I see hands moving away to the side and less pushing backwards, this seems less efficient. Body curving seems good, her legs stay parallel to the surface, but the hands movement seems off.
The wide pull in breaststroke is the most powerful and efficient way of pulling in breaststroke. Narrow pull lessens propulsion and causes the hands to slip in the water.
@@theraceclub Sorry, I didn't mean "wide is bad", I meant to say that I see her pushing the water to the side, rather than back.
@@jupitereye4322 understood. Since the arm is a fixed length and the shoulders start elevating during the pull, the hands start to move backward toward the end of the out sweep (lift phase), generating some propulsion, but the big propulsion occurs after the hands turn the corner and press backward.
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Thanks.
Why this drill? You will never be in this position when swimming actual breaststroke for speed.
One needs to understand how to streamline both ends of the body in breaststroke....at any speed. This is a great drill for learning that.
@@theraceclub Yeah I tried it, it helped a lot