Mass Effect 2 Renegade Ending: No One Left Behind
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Finally, the ending, in this one, Mr. Illusive flatters me as i saved his beloved base, who knows what'll be of that base in ME3, but anyways, good thing is we'll have lots of DLCs till then!!
Mass Effect 2 Belongs to Bioware & Electronic Arts.
For some reason i think that renegade shepard is more capable of going against the reapers.
At first when I saved the base I thought I was doing the right thing, but then I saw the illusive mans smug face looking at the base and I thought to myself "uh oh, that's not a good thing"
He thought about reaper power
I get goosebumps everytime i watch this . Good times. They will never come again with such a great story.
TIM is such an epic character. BioWare ruined him in the third instalment.
arghh dude, it's only 50k platinum or palladium or whatever it was, use the medbay upgrade please :
Why would you do that with a RenShep? Blasphemy...
@SilentGunman No as he may be a pro-human terrorist but wants to stop the Reapers and if he was a Reaper agent why Shepard back from the dead at all?.
Same here. lol It's really weird watching these videos and their commander shepherds look nothing at all like mine. XD
@bananamancanbmc fortunatly for me, i ididn't read your last message. but i simply cannot fathom why you would go to such lengths to inhibit another human being's experiences. i truly apoligize if my reply sounded rude, but what you attempted to do was inexusable. your lack of compassion stretches far beyond the gaming world, im sure. i want you to take a look at yourself and and the things you could contribute to humanity instead of acting negatively upon it.
@S3f61 i simply want you to take others into consideration. to call a simple
request a threat is to shut your ears to reason. there is no reason to be
defensive, it's just a videogame.i am making a deal out of it because i am
trying to better my fellow human being take this as a learning experience
and you might be a better person for it.
@S3f61 if that's credible information and not speculation, then a lot of people will be angry. spoiling a piece of the story like that is not a good idea, especially not on a youtube page where possibly thousands are reading. be more considerate to people next time. they outnumber you seven billion to one
@TheInkCurtain all reapers are made from a certain species. so their cores end up looking like that species, but then they get a tough exterior that looks like a bug. if the human reapers had developed enough to get the tough exterior, shephard would not have been able to kill it on his own.
I think that its a shame that the illusive man was just a fucking puppet]
@DeusExInfernus apparently the act of restoring shephards life was a paragon action in itself and so he sort of reverts back to his pre-surgery self when he negates the action with renegade actions
I only chose paragon because at the time I thought the people's consciousness's or whatever would still be trapped in the human Reaper if you didn't blow it up.
@timelessoneak I hear ya, for me it's not so much the fact that Shepard dies (even when he survives, I find it pointless, this was his last game after all) but rather the whole "Space Magic" thing, I don't mind sad/rough endings, however, I don't like it when stuff gets done that makes no sense, for me I didn't care about the colored explosions really, what did annoy me was the Normandy's outcome...I mean, what the hell was up with that? :/
@Adanu191 Like it or not, there is not much depth of choice and morality when your choices are marked as "good" or "evil", blue or red, paragon or renegade, you are just putting the IM on a pedestal, he's the evil choice, even his voice actor comfirmed that he would never trust the Illusive man, but then again, I'm not saying it's the wrong choice, I'm just pointing out that he won't do any good with the base, he's one of the main enemies of ME3 in case you havn't noticed.
@zubbzeero Well maybe creating one doesn't require an entire kind, maybe harvesting an entire kind allows them to creeate multiple Reapers, who knows, they're basicly Godly-like Robots anyway, so they must come from somewhere, I wish they all had different concepts, but since there's so many of them, designing so many reapers would be a pain, so using a generic model is actually a good idea, and yes perhaps they're just scouts or low level reapers or something.
@Adanu191 I'm gonna put it simple, as simple as I can.
Destroy the base = Paragon ending = good.
Keep the base = Renegade ending = bad.
So no, IM knows what he's gonna do with the base, and it ain't good I tell ya, just by hearing that in ME3 Cerberus are the bad guys is bad enough, specially keeping in mind that they could have a collector base at their disposal.
@Amaz1ngMrPa1n The Illusive Man is indeed human, he was a regular guy with a family, he fought in the first contact war causing him to be xenophobig towards the aliens, read the comics and find more about his past, but in no way the IM could be the creator of those godly-like machines who's been harvesting species for the past hundred million years.
@OBL1997 That's not canon, that's "default", you don't really expect the game to tell you "oh sorry, you can't play since you havn't played the previous game"....once again, YOU write the story, that's what Casey Hudson was aiming all along with the series. Get it?
@MateuuuuuszPolska You're the one who doesn't know anything about him then, guess you havn't read Mass Effect Evolution...nor have you heard that not even Martin Sheen trusts his own character, you don't want to judge him yet, but you were supposed to judge him by the end of ME2.
@pisnahuj10 Yeah, I was expecting something that could top or even beat the "Suicide Mission" track or "End Run", but instead we just get hardly any improvement with the new OST, and a terrible, terrible, terribly terrible bunch of endings.
@gv1955 I have a 100% Paragon playthrough and a 100% Renegade one (aswel as some hybrids that I'm excited to see how'll end) though I'm most interested in seeing how much wrong I.M can do with the base and with the old council gone.
@gv1955 Neither, I like them all and made sure to make each one believable to my own tastes, though I'll probably do a first run with my paragon Shepard just to see how it all ends up like for the good guy.
@OBL1997 There is a huuuuuge difference between canon and default, if any ending in ME would be considered canon, then there would be no point in giving players the ability to make choices...
@JaviHipi07 Yep, just like in the first game, you know, red planet in the backgroudn while Shep holds a rifle, and paragon as Shep stands in front of a space station around a blue planet, works the same.
Of course not, you just have to make sure no one gets left behind, regardless of the means, whether you're a paragon or renegade doesn't affect the achievement, if I recall correctly.
@Donovan1236 If you destroyed the base you get the Reaper Heart, if you spared it you get the Reaper Brain, so either way it's your win, it doesn't really affect that much of ME3.
finally a manshep!
There's several ways to ensure everyone survives, just search for a Suicide Mission guide on google :) though of course, it's all pointless if your crew isn't loyal.
@TheWalkingArmageddon I believe that Illusive Man is indoctrinated as well. If you read about his origins in the 4 issue comic Mass Effect Evolution, you'd understand.
@yougonasorry Funny how I never stated music and endings make a game worse or better, I merely said, the endings are terrible and the music doesn't hit me.
@AdamJamesWalker86 Don't know if you noticed, but what I said was a joke, besides, no need to point out what other 20 people have already pointed out before you.
But The Normany getting destroyed with Shepard on the process just to be rebuilt later on by an evil pro-human corporation is totally realistic lol
Nothing really, leat nothing worth mentioning, I still find it hard to believe such an important choice had such a small result...
I love the illusive man's eyes :)
@shanesteroftilbury sadly no, it just came out that way lol, only recently i knew that he looked like someone from another game D:
1:20SERIOUSLY LOOK INDOCTORATED EYES
To Unlock the achievement of no one left behind do u have to make every decision renegade? Every Single one? Because i always try to but somehow always get paragon points here and there no matter what ! its annoying as this is like the 3rd time ive clocked the game now lol but always miss the achievement !
Loyalty missions, conversations that didn't go awry (romance, especially). Forgot to talk to Thane one last time before Suicide Mission and he died. O_O Replayed just to save him........only to realize in ME3 he dies anyway...sooner than I thought, I mean.
@Adanu191 The thing is that ME is all about Good and Evil, if you want shades of grey go play The Witcher.
@MateuuuuuszPolska You don't understand what I'm saying, the base is good, the Illusive Man is TERRIBLE.
@Nyai31 either way you need ship fully upgraded paragon or regenade certain members can still live even if they aren't loyal. google ME2 flow chart that should help you make all the right choices.
@Konform2zoidberg This is from what I heard. apparently Garrus, Legion, Zaeed, Grunt and Mordin are all in favor, Miranda and Samara are so-so and everyone else thinks its a bad idea.
The blue sun background is for when you destroy the collector base (Paragon). The Red background means you saved it (Renegade).
so how do i ensure no1 gets left behind? because all 3 times ive clocked it 3 team members(the 1's i assign to the specific task on the mission) always die!
Your Shepard looks bad-ass, could you give me his code?
Just google "Mohammed", dude...
Yeah everyone from what I heard was pissed about this, even Miranda, Legion, Jack, Even grunt who is like the one person who advises me to keep it.
@Exilon0193 Because you gave the Collector base to one of the worst persons in the galaxy.
i gave the collectors base to cerberus but no red eyes or synthetics, thats if you dont help any of your characters or show no compassion
@MateuuuuuszPolska Giving the base to the Illusive Man is another stupid choice.
i am saying this in my mind "omg the star is red it is in red giant phase why dont you explode and kill the ilusive man"
@ydouateme And to think I actually have several savefiles ready for ME3... :/
Basically what was already said, practically nothing when it comes to being an asset.
It may have an influence on your ME3 ending though. If your EMS is quite low, you won't have a choice to choose what ending you want, the game will choose for you based on whether you destroyed or saved the collector base in ME2.
I'd tell what you the direct results are, but I'll keep this spoiler free.
@BiteMyBios001 I think this is the most awesome savefile you could have.
Everyone has that BORING normal save. Everyone is happy, everyone lives and so on. No.
I think having a 'REAL' save, with actually tragic moments and stuff to carry on is the best savefile you could have. I REALLY like to see what happend in ME3 with that savefile. As you hardly get any new characters, but with everyone being dead..? REALLY INTERESTED IN THIS. >:(
@DeusExInfernus Actually if you pay attention, it explains it quite simply. The facial reconstruction you receive slowly wears off and you get scars and all of that if you live a "stressed" life or what-have-you. The only way for it to heal or be prevented is by having a "positive" outlook. Hence if you are rash and angry, your face deteriorates, and if you're virtuous and just, you heal. People who live overly stressful lives age worse than others. It makes sense, and adds a cool mechanic.
I find interesting that the colour of the Star behind the Illusive Man changes throughout the game. In this ending is redish while in the paragon one it looks bluish. I always thought that the bluish thing was the result of the dark energy aging the star as the quarians say it happened in their homeworld and that the Illusive Man was investigating the same thing. Not so sure anymore.
@Vocalkokoro That's a good idea, but there may be some story gaps because of dialogue that occurs in game.
One of the best things about Mass Effect is how you shape your story through your character. Watching only the cutscenes may not be as engaging storywise.
Just some friendly advice. It's a good idea; In fact, I got into the Mass Effect series by watching a walkthrough for the game. Which is another option for you, but if you're interested in story alone, you may want a non-commentary one.
This does seem to be the canon ending and how Cerberus got indoctrinated in the first place because if you look at the story line of Mass Effect: Retribution and Mass Effect: Invasion, They actually acquire the Collector Base and use it for their own needs. Shepard gives it to them believing it could actually help against the Reapers while warning The Illusive Man not to grow power-hungry but even that doesn't stop a man who just wants humanity on top rather than help the rest of the galaxy
Illusive man is like the G-Man of the Mass Effect series (G-man is like the illusive man of the Half-Life series)
It is realistic. They rebuilt shepard from basically a bunch of giblets in space. That took some DAMN good engineering to accomplish. Thus since he is evil his eyes glow red. It has to do with him being renegade and his negative outlook on life affecting his actual physical body. They explained it in ME2 and ME3
@timelessoneak I didn't like the ending either, but I think that people should shut up and deal with it. It's their game and that's the ending they came up with and that's that.
If fans have better ideas, mod the game or write a damn fanfic. That's a whole lot better idea than whining online and filing complaints to FTC.
i just had a flashback of when i first completed this game and when the scene kicks in with the hundreds of thousands of reapers and then the credits come up i remember thinking fuck it i wanna carry on playing so i can destroy all of you, now i only have to wait a little bit longer and my wish will come true
@BiteMyBios001 The reasoning is that the red scars were caused by the Lazarous Project and that being a paragon - something about inner-self worth or whatever - will allow them to heal faster. Otherwise you can just pay to get a machine in the Med Bay and get it done that way. It's not entirely forced on you unlike something stupid in Fable.
I totally don't see how we'll push back the reapers ... I mean it took the combined fleets of almost everyone to take down ONE reaper in the first game ... and we only killed him because his defenses where down ... and yet he destroyed half of the combined alliance fleet in the process.
Now theres enough of them to blacken the skies on every world?! NOOOO CHANNNCEE!!
@BiteMyBios001 that is what i'm doing with the "naive" paragon shepard. He already killed the council, didnt save Wrex, and he is going to have the "bad guys" get the cookie. He is a good dude but makes the wrong critical choices where it counts. I just want to see what happens if he gets it.
I hated that snotty Illusive man so much that in all of my playthroughs I destroyed the base...all except one. Hope Bioware gives me something to fight the reapers...as my Shepard told Liarra in the DLC Lair of the Shadow Broker,"Between You and Me? I have no idea how we're gonna do it." LOL
@BiteMyBios001 Thanks. I haven't read the comics yet. Now that I know there is an Illusive Man comic I'll definitely check it out. I finished ME2 last night and can't wait for 3. It started to explain certain things and just came to an abrupt end. I still think his eyes are a clue though.
@mtbond2007 There is no canon ending, you shape the story to your liking.
@timelessoneak I don't know, Shepards life depends on war assets so I would say it's something. I'm sure there's plenty of people who liked the ending and for them that extra .30 seconds of Shepard breathing could be the best thing ever.
i blew up the collecter base mainly cause lol i has trust issues with cerberus after they tried killing me serval times in the first game and then in this one their all like LETS BE friends and i'm like yea... still dont trust you for shit
@BiteMyBios001 Yeah, that would suck pretty much :P U know what someone should do in ME2? Destroy the base and die...so that TIM will be left without a base and without a shepard. I know it's off topic but I always wanted to say that ;D
@BiteMyBios001 There is a canon ending. If you don't import anything then it's gonna be a canon story. eg If you don't kill Wrex in the ME1 and you don't import anything in ME2 then Wrex is dead. Which means that in the canon ME1 ending Wrex is dead. Get it?
I never trusted Cerberus, I destroyed the base.
Problem with me is that I always get into these kinds of games and make the choices as if I'd have to make them in real life... which often means I end up with the same ending several times over -_-
This is one of the few good looking, custom male Shepard's I've seen (in my opinion, anyhow) - bravo!
by me Mordin Thane and Jack died
Mordin get shot in the head while closing the door loyal
Thane shields are down while closing the door loyal
Jack died by getting the crew to safety normal just wanted her dead
@BiteMyBios001 I couldn't disagreee with you more... just watch all three trailers, play all three games..etc the improvement HITS you in the eye, i mean literally... mass effect 3 was simply brilliant a freaking excellent game!
@BiteMyBios001
But the BIG QUESTION is which Shepard will you use first ?
Who is your main shepard ?
ps. Ohh and I have 8 Shepards. And only one 100% paragon who for some reason I named Jenifer for some reason : )
Basically what happens in ME3 is that if you save the collector ship instead of destroying it. It should make the game harder because i heard you fight cerberus in ME3 sooo im guessing they just have real strong weapons and all.
@BiteMyBios001 XD well, about half way through my mum said "oh he looks like he's from heavy rain" so i thought "y'know what, he is XD" i thought about him being ethan's great great great great... you get it ;p
@ultrasasuke2 That question would be valid AFTER the game's release.
@DeusExInfernus
Unhealthy and aggressive thoughts aggravate the scars and make them more visible. Something to do with Shepard being a FREAKY CYBORG with a MECHANICAL SKELETON at this point.
don't forget that the illusive man was secretly planted by a reaper as a power play against the one controlling the collectors.
They hate each other as much or more than they hate the rest of us.
@mtbond2007 its never stated they use the BASE but they use the place and the remains they have.
How do you know that you get the renegade ending? I was a straight renegade throughtout the whole game and the sun background for the illusive man was blue. I don't get this ending.
its really dissapointing,i remember thinking"oh man keeping it intact will be a great advantage in ME3!" but noooope. just 10 more points then i would have gotten if i destroyed it.
@BiteMyBios001
Yes, just like we all knew Protheans made the Citadel. Knowledge doesn't=facts.
There is no good or evil, there is idealism and pragmatism. Learn the difference.
my theory is the illusive man is actually a prothean that is being perserved by the reapers to give Shepard a false sense of hope. which is supported by cerberus turning on you in me3
Hi, look guys, how can i complete the suicide mission without losing a single member?
Its possible?
I have completed all the loyal missions and still in the end 2 of my squad members die.
@BlueFloraly There are a few tricks to an awesome guy. Always do the 5 O'clock shadow and the nose that is bent like it was broken. My guy looks like he's Scottish and a badass.
@DeusExInfernus Asshole D.N.A, as logical as it gets in this game.
@BiteMyBios001 We disagree on fundamental concepts within this series, so no point continuing this discussion. You have your idealized view, I have less black and white.
@DeusExInfernus You truly dont understand the story dont you? After Shep was killed, Cerberus rebuilt him with cybernetics - that includes mechanical facial implants
@mtbond2007 Actually regardless of blowing it up they turn. I figured they would get indoctrinated if I kept it. I mean Harbinger controlled the general from the base.
I can see why TIM is an enemy in 3. Even going down the Renegade path, it could set up TIM's abandoning Shepard. "If you can keep up, great. If not stay out of my way".
@DatWittyName You can tell the ending by the colour of the star behind the Illusive Man at the end, but renegade is really the 'bad' ending and paragon is the 'good' one
@TheWalkingArmageddon Really? That seems like lazy writing and make the player's choices completely meaningless. It really ruins the whole experience if that is true.
First time through, I kept it. Seems like a smarter thing to do. The only incentive I really had for blowing it up was to hear the crew talk about how great I am.
@timelessoneak It's not much, but there's a consequence. You'll get some war assets after attacking Cerberus HQ and those assets change depending on your choice.
@BiteMyBios001
To behonest as long as you kept the council alive you made the best choice.
#Looks at notes#
WHAT !? You left them to die you evil man.