GAUGE THE ISSUE: Flying Scotsman (The Movie One)
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- Support 'Steam Locos In Profile' and 'Gauge The Issue' on Patreon HERE: www.patreon.co...
John Coghlan's Quo website - www.johncoghlan.com
Amazon - www.amazon.co.u...
iTunes - / lockdown-single
Spotify - open.spotify.c...
Google Play - play.google.co....
RUclips - • Lockdown
Order your copy of 'Steam Locos In Profile" on DVD & Digital Download HERE: www.e-gmedia.co...
Click here to Like 'Steam Locos In Profile' on Facebook: / slipsegmedia
This is a video critique. All images and footage are referenced under Section 107 "fair use" guidelines.
'The Flying Scotsman' is copyright of Studio Canal.
All material is referenced under the US Copyright Act within Section 107's "fair use" guidelines. Most images are licensed under Creative Commons 2.0 and 3.0, OR are in the Public Domain. All Third Party content is referenced under the US Copyright Act within Section 107's "fair use" guidelines.
The Unlucky Tug did an amazing job covering scotsman's american tour. he deserves a mention here as well.
As well as a reinstatement of his original channel.
I agree was a great video
I hope we get a redone version in a couple of years metioning more info On Alan peglar and the flying Scotsman bus
He did, But I am waiting for the follow-up when he looks at Scotsman's Australian tour.
The most fascinating thing about this film- for me- is how it came out when The Big Four were contemporary railway companies. I'm so used to films from the 50's ~ 70's- in the era of nationalization- that will use whatever preserved steam locomotives on hand to set the time period. But this is different. Here, the LNER A1s were still quite modern for the time. The streamlined A4's wouldn't be constructed until six years after this movie. Sure, the film is very...of it's day. But historically, it gives us an interesting glimpse of the LNER in it's own day.
Hopefully one day somebody will colourise the railway footage from this film. There is so little colour footage from the pre-nationalisation era.
Brilliant train
That 'Wheeeesh!' Sounds familiar Chris? 😂😂😂
It's a funny bit. I hope you're proud of it
Hilarious my dude no worries 👌😅 I'm now famous haha!
Angry Welshman’s Panniers are D*cks
Nice to see you acknowledging all the other great RUclipsrs who make similar kind of content.
I think I’ve seen clips of this somewhere (perhaps in a documentary on the loco in 2013) but never bought it in full. It might be worth a watch, especially for all those shots of LNER locos in their prime.
Edit: I definitely did see clips of this movie on a 2013 documentary. My dad still has it recorded on his TV and thought it was still new.
Not aware of this film up to now, thanks for informing me, it may be dated but looks worth a watch. And film studios haven’t really improved in their portrayal and understanding of the railways in the intervening years either.
or anything else technical for that matter......
I’m so glad to see another episode of GTI! Thanks Chris.
In the defense of the coupler situation, the buckeye coupler is a Janey I'm pretty sure, and you can connect the 3 link to the slit in the knuckle, and the pin to hold the 3 link in is secured to the coach by a little chain, so it's entirely possible the person pulled the pin out, letting the 3 link from the locomotive free, and letting the coaches do as they wish, and if the brake pipes have angle cocks (because all proper braking systems do) then you could isolate them and hope there isn't a leak somewhere in the coaches or locomotive.
The 3 link connected to the Janey would also be easier to uncouple on the fly anways, janies are very not happy with uncoupling reliably ever by pulling the pin locking the knuckle closed, but it seems kindof stupid to run a train using the knuckle couplers on all the coaches, then a 3 link from the tender, but it's a movie, why does it matter lol
The whole world and their grandad. Very good.
I e seen the movie its good for some part funny
I might consider watching the film
The buckeye coupler is called the Janney coupler
My grandad watched that film 😂
Great to see clips from this classic film - so many snippets of technical and other history involved. Just watch the trains and forget about the story line! Traditionally actors playing engine drivers have learned to drive the engine for the sake of authenticity - and in some cases to satisfy their inner little boy - Jean Gabin in La Bete Humaine is a prime example. (Now there's a film you might like to cover. Another is 'The Night Belongs To Me,' in which he plays an engine driver who goes blind.) Now - how many other films did Moore Marriott make on his own bat? This is the only one I know of.
Welcome Back GTI!
Hello there
Now if before setting of they released the vacume on the whole train, and then bottled it (so the vacume isnt connected with the loco anymore but the line is shut so no air can get in once decoupled)
I saw the film for the first time after I got the Flying Scotsman DVD Boxset. While it isn't the best film (given the weird silent mode to speaking mode between scenes), I think it's a decent one.
The train now starring reboot?!
I'll have to dig out my copy of it but doesn't The Wrecker have a similar disclaimer about safety systems on the Southern? I love the shots of Scotsman on the move and how devil may care they were back then about it all. Legend has it that the film crew were left clinging for dear life in the Hertford tunnel as when erecting the scaffolding for the cameras they forgot to factor in any pitching and swaying from the loco at "speed" (apparently travelling at approx 45mph for filming) and Ray Milland whilst in mid fall was also nearly taken out through a similar miscalculation! Plus the fact that Moore and Ray actually drive and fire is brilliant
Fascinating stuff Chris, welcome back! Huge respect must go to Pauline Johnson for that stunt, it's dangerous enough anyway, but even worse for a woman simply because of her outfit. As you say, modern health and safety would quash it the moment it was suggested..
Amazing video as always
2023: WE NEED HEALTH AND SAFETY!
1929: tf is health and safety??
6:01 I believe that's an Angry Welshman Productions sound effect. Great use Chris 😂😂
To me it sounded like a TTTE Ringo Starr narration clip
Sounds like mine actually 😂
It sounds like Tom... because it is Tom :P
@@DDJP that was you the whole time?! All these years I thought it was Rhys. 🤯🤯🤯😂😂
@@Spud607 noap! Twas me!
Diehard railfans be foaming at the mouth when a fictional story does something unrealistic or requires the slightest bit of suspension of disbelief
also, if you ever need a high resolution copy of any of my thumbnails, you can just ask
Great video, very interesting, I had never heard of this film but will be sure to check it our at some point !
Btw I was wondering, could one of your next GTIs be about "Von Ryan's Express" please ?
I think maybe the brakes might have been jammed and the vacuum brakes not attached properly so that could explain it
One could argue from a filmmaking standpoint, that finding a way to disable the brakes would not be too hard for someone experienced in their operation.
Take the climax of “The Taking of Pelham One Two Three”, where a big deal is made about how the hijacker’s disabled the train’s deadman’s handle.
Hypothetically speaking, if he crimped the brake pipe hose in someway or found some way to close the pipe mechanically, wouldn’t that maintain the pressure differential to keep the brakes off?
After all, that was the cause of the wreck of the “Federal” in January 1953.
Apparently a swing link on one of the carriage bogies (trucks in US) succeeded in catching the angle cock of the brake pipe on one of the leading cars and pushing it shut. Don't know what kind of brakes they have on the New York subway stock, presumably its the modern 'fail safe kind, where a break in the pipe applies the brakes?
seems the flying Scotsman had fame even before her US & AUS tour and I wounder if you'll look at films like Von Ryan's Express, train of events, and the railway children return I'd love to hear youer thoughts on those films
this is come to "Train Now Staring" file
It's a shame you & your friends didn't come to RH&DR to see River Esk, would have loved to see you there, and you make a special Solo Slip for that engine too.
Hi Geoffrey, Chris was there on the Sunday as he's posted a short of the 7 header :)
@@cofffffee Oh wow really, can you send me a link please.
@@geoffreystoddart3503 ruclips.net/user/shortsTQ7ikPLBHYc?feature=share4
Apparently Alfred Hitchock did one where there's a runaway goods at night and there's a big chase scene involving a bus with a relief driver trying to climb aboard as the guys up on the footplate have no idea how to stop the engine.
Anyone know of this film, only seen a few short clips of it myself?
I believe the film is called No 13 - (from memory) and has some of the most awful model set work ever to come out of Pinewood or Elstree studios. You don't even have to look closely to see the guide rail steering, and possibly powering the model Green Line coach as it races alongside the train!
The film is called ‘Number Seventeen’.
Wait, LNER used have knuckle couplings in 1920s
That’s interesting because nearly all Big Four and pre-grouping railways never used or heard of knuckle couplers at all
Not correct, the GNR and ECJS were using them in the late 1890's along with Pullman /Gould gangways.
And the GWR Dining rakes of the 1920s
@@ChristheXelent interesting, I thought knuckle couplers was an American practice but United Kingdom railways using knuckle couplers, that’s interesting facts to me
Hi Chris, I have an idea for a future gage the issue video. A friend and I were discussing steam locomotives and the modern-day rules that are connected to them today. He mentioned that the reason not too many steam locomotives see the main line any more is insurance costs and rules they would have to meet herein the United States. While in Europe, the rules are different, and steam locomotives can see being seen running on the main lines with less league hassle. To put it, simply look at the rules that steam locomotives in different countries have to follow and see, in your opinion, if the rules are justified or too strict. Also what is the future of steam power in general on a legal stand point. Will the governments allow people to still use steam for their enjoyment or practical use. Or will they be confined to a static display in a musam?
Well here in the states, all mainline Class 1 railroads have PTC (positive train control) equipped locomotives and mainlines, and it basically just will take over the train if you go too fast or run a red signal, and mostly all steam locomotives (except the ones owned and operated by Union Pacific) are NOT equipped with PTC or anything to connect to a diesel locomotive that does have PTC, which is why you would see a steam locomotive being moved with a diesel in front, the two Union Pacific steam locomotives don't technically have full PTC, they have stuff that can interact and take control, but a diesel locomotive is needed inorder for it to actually work because the steam loco doesn't have the hardware and software onboard.
And insurance is insanely expensive, mostly incase of a derailment or some issue with the locomotive, and people getting in the way and getting hit because they're not thinking. Without the insurance however, no railroad or private group would even fire up their locomotive.
Idk about Europe, but I'm thinking it's probably something similar, just without the PTC stuff because their steam locomotives basically have all the stuff for their somewhat similar versions of it.
Weren’t the hunts and shires brought in after then A1s to do the semi-fast express work?
God god watching those coaches roll.
I would love to have known how that was organised from a safety stand point. Obviously don't want them smashing into the back of an engine
I would agree with Chris; there was a second engine pushing from behind, with couplings and, most importantly, brake hoses done up. Scotsman, in all probabliity wasn't even coupled on to allow the stunt to be pulled; the clip from 'The Train', which is the only convincing, believeable and genuine time a moving train's been uncoupled in the cinema shows how it would have to be done in reality - compress the buffers to allow the screw to be slackened, then lift the link. Otherwise friction imposed by the load won't allow it. Same with buckeye couplers - and the old link and pin type, so beloved of Western movies, would be even worse to try and undo.
@@JohnDavies-cn3ro I know a little about western railroads and depending on the age of the rolling stock you could uncouple and let stuff roll away as long as there was no through braking.
And Im more talking about signalling arrangements to stop the second loco or speed it up/slow it down etc.
Heck for all we know the shot of it against the skyline could be sped up in post
Another LNER pacific also featured in a hitchcock picture. Not a very good one though.
Would that film be ‘Number Seventeen’?
@@WHOKAY25 yes! Actually has both real loco and a mock up set if I remember rightly.
I loved to watch the “Number Seventeen” for an exiting scenes of an LNER A1 no. 2547 Doncaster racing with a Bus, another Alfred Hitchcock movie named “The 39 Steps” 1935 features a Gresley’s Pacifics A3 Pacific no. 2595 “Trigo” and the other A3 in the background, the movie also features an LNER Gresley K2 Locomotive.
The Flying Scotsman is not my favourite locomotive.