I can't wait for the same to happen for The Flames Of Hope since... yeah. Small spoiler alert- Jambu and Pineapple are confirmed to be dating and a scavenger named Axolotl is non-binary. Axolotl in particular, the book simply states that they use 'they and them pronouns', which would be enough for parents to start shaking in their boots and weeping loudly for how traumatized their children will be.
wings of fire: [features war, genocide, murder, a dragon disemboweling himself in front of a large crowd] parents: i sleep wings of fire: [has one (1) wlw couple] parents: real shit?
I find it funny how people are worried about their kids reading about LBGTQ+ couples, but are fine with them reading about war, blood, death, dragons dying in awful ways, one dragon trying to wipe out a whole tribe just because he doesn't like them, and much more. but those couples are what made them angry?
That's because violence in children's books is not uncommon. Some say it's because they aren't humans. The Inheritance Cycle has the same amount of violence with humans and it's still for children as well.
I have a very strong aggression towards homophobes. I don’t understand and I don’t accept. I hate them with every bone in my body and more, and just the karen attitude is disgusting. They’re stupid and don’t know what it’s like to be aromatic or gay or pan. Sorry, I’m ranting, I just hate them so much.
People need to turn the homophobia down a bit, your ten year old isn’t going to be traumatized for life by reading about a wlw couple if they read about genocide and Arctic legitimately disemboweling himself onstage… love is love🏳️🌈
@@protomedia8325 omg I would do that tooo 💀 And sometimes if there’s some gay stuff on the tv and one looks masculine or smth I’d tell my parents that it’s a boy 💀💀
I’m disappointed in people, this is legit my favourite book in the series and to hear people just be jerks over a SHIP is just sad What’s even worse is that sundew x willow is actually better that 99% of the straight couples yet it gets the most hate
@Emmanuel Brijandez Torres honestly Fathom x Indigo is the one I care for the least mostly because I don’t like indigo- (I don’t hate her or anything I just don’t care about her)
The thing I don't understand about one of the reviews, WHY on earth are you letting your 9 year old child read a book series about dragons murdering each other, but the person cares more about a WLW couple, jeez-
Not gonna lie, I love the way they introduced LGBTQ+ to kids in this book. It’s not like littler kids are gonna read this book so I think it’s fine. If dragons/anyone shouldn’t love who they want to then why do we love at all? Being LGBTQ+ should just be accepted already. Again, ITS JUST LOVEEEE. Kids will end up knowing sooner or later and that’s fine. Edit: Thank you for all the likes!
these parents are just pissed that they failed in explaining things to their children and wanted to shun them from it forever, and know they have to do an uncomfortable talk with their child that would've happened eventually. Or their pissed the child in question might think its ok and the parent can't slap their silly beliefs in the kiddos brain. I personally LOVED how this book was written, and I like how willow is there to calm down sundew and show that sundew isn't all prickly and mean. A+ for poison jungle.
in my opinion poison jungle was the best out of arc 3 (excluding flames of hope) lost continent was great, we got to see new characters and even a new tribe, and we got to see what clearsight did after darky warky. The main issue is the fact that there are many mistakes in it and the fact that It is pretty much physical click-bait. the hive queen was also great, not really anything bad with it, and I loved reading about lady scarab and lady jewel. poison jungle was great too. this is the only one i have in person of arc 3. I loved seeing bumblebees adorable murderous intent, and the way they introduced willow in. hawthorn could have been a much more interesting villain though. He could control a serpentine thanos snap. Dangerous gift: not finished yet but it doesnt have many components to the story and plot though, but the visions so far are pretty cool flames of hope: haven't started but against my desire to finally not get spoilers, i read the entire description on the wiki
Thank you for reviewing this. I don't understand why people have to hate on books that have lgbtq+ it makes me so sad to see people think that just because someone loves another from the same gender is wrong. Remember everybody love is love and nobody should have to be hated on for their feelings 💓💛💚💙💜
I think its just because now everything you see includes LGBTQ references now. There is a new series? I bet it contains gay characters JUST because the “politically correct” demands it. Even when a new movie came out on internet you see almost just:” Oh I bet she is a lesbian, and he is GAY” take as an example Luca and Encanto. Those movies are the perfect example of what I mean. I don’t care if someone is LGBTQ and I think this is the way it should be. You don’t have to compliment someone just because is gay… And it’s also painful to watch something were the gay character is the good guy, or the fact that you remember them just because “they are the gay one” it doesn’t make any sense. I recognize that in those comment that 4rcane read a dose of homophobia was present, tho but this is just the way it is.
Did anyone else notice that one of the reviews was talking about Hemlock, when they meant Hawthorn? Just clarifying for anyone who caught that as well and might be confused. Edit: Hemlock was Sundew's father. Hawthorn was the one isolated.
I was reading reviews for this book awhile ago and one of them had the head title of: WARNING: HOMOSEXUAL DRAGONS! I'm not joking. I have always thought about reading reviews of shows with homosexuals. I want to do similar with She-Ra (2018). I will never truly understand some people. Also, I love the rant you went on about Pineapple on Pizza (I'm all for Pineapple on pizza btw) :)
@@kal.august.yippee Sundew, Willow, Snowfall???, Snowflake, Snowfox, Pinapple, Jambu, I think it was also Sora?? Or Umber?? That called Quibli attractive so there's a couple but they're barely mentioned and not milked for there ✨️sexuality✨️ so I really love that Also I say Snowfall cause she called Cricket a scale closer more her type than Grayling was. Not confirmed but interesting 😊 AND BLUE AND LUNAS MOMS, Forgot about them 😥
As a queen person I can conform that this does not 'take away' from the plot. If you think that, then you are just thinking about how good this ship is too much.
The ship actually ADDS to the plot. It’s not forced whatsoever, and their relationship actually made the plot better in my opinion. They’re one of the best, and if not THE best couple/ship present in the series.
The parents who reviewed: "All the other books have appropriate content" The other books: *discusses racism, classicism, slavery, genocide, and intergenerational war (with a side of more racism)
I am a heavy shipper of Blue and Luna parents, Sundew x Willow, Qibil x Winter, and any other LBGTQ+ dragons. And it think the hate over it is just bad. I see some peoples point of why they don't like it, but sometimes it's just bad reasoning. And in the third arc The Poison Jungle is my favorite book (once I read Flames of Hope we'll see). Though I do agree the antagonist being a plant is bad. It could have actually been Queen Wasp the whole time it would make it sooo much better. Great video I hope others will calm down their hate.
Exactly. Pfft i just walked up to my dad with a blank expression and said, "The Poison Jungle only has bad reviews because of the homophobes complining about Sunlow"...
Exactly man. Wait till you read the flames of hope, people are gonna ship cricket and luna, and jambu and pineapple, and the whole thing is gonna start again
@Emmanuel Brijandez Torres im not sure if im gonna ship the 2 of them, but in the flames of hope luna is thinking about cricket for a considerate amount of time, like she’s the one she kinda trusts the most (im not gonna go further because it leads to major spoilers) Anyways, i think it’s more of a friendship thing but people are obviously gonna romanticise that
I remember looking through this- It’s so amusing , the homophobia is just sad, imagine being so uneducated that you think a sweet relationship between two females is worse then murder, this book series started off with violence, how is that worse then a sweet couple?
I read one that said, "romance isn't for kids" then let's get rid of every relationship ever in the media. No more parents, no more heterosexual relationships, no more romance. Nothing! Platonic only! Cry about it, it's what you asked for!
for me, book 13 is my second favorite book and SundewxWillow is my second favorite ship. I do not understand how people don't like the ship. Plus, if one of them was a boy, the ship wouldn't have any controversy!! that is messed up, so good for Tui to add this amazing LGBTQ+ ship to the books.
What I find dumb is that these books aren't for very young children, Darkstalker more than any of them. The books start off with Burn shoving her tail into Hivitars skull, def. not for youngins, also I hated the dumb plant plot point too...just disappointing.
They should’ve added a ‘good guys vs brainwashed good guys’ fight in the last book or even at the end of the 3rd book. Would’ve added a lot of emotion to the whole brainwashing twist. I still found the books enjoyable tho.
The Bible text that says: “Man shall not sleep with man.” Is a mistranslation of: “Man shall not sleep with boy.” So Pedopholia, no. Homosexuality, yes.
As a queer person it was actually really nice to see a same sex couple in the actual light of one of my favorite book series. It was oddly refreshing and wonderful to read. It made me feel seen.
Funny thing is, when there's a book with a cis relationship that does absolutely NOTHING to the plot besides add drama to it, people usually don't complain, but when it's TWO MEN *gasp-* IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!! 1 STAR REVIEW, I'M RETURNING THIS BOOK- QUIT SHOVING YOUR AGENDA DOWN OUR THROATS!!!1!!1 *Incoherent bumbling, auto tune baby cry*
Kind of sus that it takes them 13 books to notice romance is a thing in this series... and then they target an actually healthy relationship when things like Cleril or Glorybringer would make much easier targets...
I loved this book. It’s one of my favourites in the series other than Winter Turning and The Lost Heir. Sundews and willows romance was even written really nicely. It didn’t take away from the story and I think it even added to it. Having sundew consider her actions when willow talks to her is a really nice way to have her character develope.
its sad how homophobic people go around saying the lgbt+ is inaproperiate and a terrible life style but the lgbt+ doesnt go round tell straight people that their life style is terrible. its honestly sad
Omg ive always loved the sunlow ship. I my self have just come out to gay to my friends i still need to tell my parents. I love how Belladonna found out by accident sundew never had my problem
3:41 you keep talking about Hemlock, do you mean Hawthorn? Hemlock never died, Hemlock was Sundew’s dad and stayed trying to use Sundew as a death weapon. Hawthorn was the possessed isolated one who should’ve gotten a Seqouia reuninion. But I could be wrong
I love the fact you described it with pineapple on pizza, also the fact people got so worked up about a book because of a LGBTQ+ relationship, it's something that isn't harmful and children who already see alot of romance should be able to read about, also unlike alot of WOF ships, this one wasn't rushed, we learned they fell in love after years. aka. their relationship grew steadily!
that 10 year old review was hilarious! this series has genocide, abusive parenting, father killing (not to mention HOW he was killed. uerghhh), accidental father-killing, racism, rather graphic deaths, torture, kidnapping and experimenting on dragons, mental torture (palm) and a lesbian romance is too mature of a theme?
I'm straight but I understand why people are homosexual most of my friends are and I don't get why people care you love who you love don't throw a fit it really doesn't matter
Eh. I'm neutral about all of the ships or couples. About the violence part, every children's book involves at least 1 violent scene so I don't think that could work as an argument for younger children to not read WOF. Just ask The Inheritance Cycle, the first two books involve at least one person getting their head chopped off (They were both bad guys too) yet the series is considered one of the best children's literature.
oh and if people use the bible against lgbtq+ just remember: it never actually said anything about homosexuality, and it flat out says to love everyone :) anyways awsome video Arcane!!
Oh these people are going to hate book 15. They think one queer dragon is too much? Ha just they wait (I SOMEHOW was able to read book 15, it released early on Apple Books in Australia. No spoilers dw
I got it early too :DDD the biggest pro of all time of living in australia - we time travel. Sonic 2 and wof 15 came out earlier than most people And yeah, they’re gonna hate 15. Just wait for the reviews to come in once it comes out in other countries
"*gasp* a straight relationship mandew should be banned how dare belladonna teach sundew that some dragons aren't gay" that is what these ppl sound like it sounds ridiculous now that it's a straight relationship doesnt it thats. how. these. people. sound. Also: Ive known I was gay since I was 9, I dont think a ten year old will have a problem
I disagree with the people saying Sundew was difficult to read. Hear me out: Yes, Sundew can be a very difficult character to read, alongside Tsunami, Winter, Snowfall, etc. But almost every time, these characters have their reasons. Take Peril, for example. She was abandoned from her rightful mother at birth, getting put into the wrong hands. Queen Scarlet made her eat black rocks to “keep her alive,” but it was all just a lie. She also made Peril kill hundreds dragons in an arena for entertainment. Sundew also had her reasons. Her mother, Belladonna, wasn’t the easiest dragon to have as a mother. If you think about it, Belladonna basically just used Sundew like a tool to get the Book of Clearsight and prove the Hivewings wrong. Belladonna also gave Sundew this abnormally huge hate of all Hivewings, even nice ones at times, like Cricket. I’m just saying, Sundew doesn’t mean to be difficult to read. It’s all Belladonnas fault, really. P.S: I Don’t get why people are saying that the Poison Jungle was political, when book 11 is all about using lower families, or in this case, Silkwings, as slavery. And in book 5, when 3 princesses need to fight for the throne. Anyways, that’s just my opinion. Also, to prove that you’ve read this comment, reply to me with the clown emoji. 🤡
IMO, Sunlow is one of the most well-written WoF ships. Sundew’s soft side is its most prominent when she’s with Willow, and the interactions between the two are healthy all the way. If some of these people bothered to give it a chance, they would see that it isn’t bad.
I agree with everything in that one review except for a plant being the villain. Personally I was actually way way more horrified of the breath of evil than Darkstalker. Darkstalker was easily more powerful, yes, but he was bound at least by his own desires. however murdurous those were, the point for him wasn’t the murder, it was catharsis. The breath of evil, however, is actually way more ancient than Darkstalker and it is the complete nature of this plant to take over its victims. This isn’t a power fantasy realized, its a predator-prey relationship form something that isn’t even another animal, much less another dragon. That’s why I feel like it’s way more scary. Darkstalker could have been pursued into using his powers for good before Foeslayer left. Meanwhile this villain has no sympathy whatsoever, has waited an even longer time for revenge, conscious the whole time, and by the time you realize what’s going one it’s already outsmarted you in a terrible terrible way. Because Darkstalker is way more focused on his goals and socail needs, he’s much more terrifying in what he’s able to do, far more than what he does. The only crazy magic animus thing he does is the plague. By contrast, the boe has been constantly working and doing everything it can. It will not hesitate ever to infect who it can, or kill whoever is in its way Immediately. Depending on how fast you read, 1-5 minutes after the villan is revealed blue and swordtail are already under it’s control, at this point, basically half of the main cast(not counting luna, she’s not very present in the story). By contrast, Darkstalker has chosen not to hurt any of moons friends, aka the main characters. The worst that happens is turtle looses his animus magic. But even that is so temporary that I actually forgot it happened. And you could count winter getting charmed too, but while that’s awful it’s not nearly as terrible as what the boe does. Also. Darkstalker is genuinely charming, but also genuinely lost and alone. I want to give him a hug more than anything else. Boe pops up and my first thought is kill it with fire. Im not going to sit here and argue that the plant is the stronger villain, in terms of the writing or story because I don’t believe that. But at least to me, the plant is a scarier villain and my heart absolutely dropped at the reveal. Also, There are actual fungi in the real world that land their spores on insects and are able to then influence those insects to spread more spores. So unlike animus magic(wich In some ways you can substitute for money, but in other ways you really cant), crap like this exists in our world. It doesn’t think and scheme like the boe does, but regardless it does exist.
How do people say this book is "inappropriate" for their children when they are just happily letting them at the same time read about dragons killing each other in some pretty cruel ways, Tbh i read this at age nine and i was probably pretty cool with there being gay relationships in the novels, but some people are just so touchy about those tiny insignificant details.
Personally I just wish they had actually acknowledged the fact that Sundew was a lesbian more. I would of loved to see younger Sundew trying her best to find Mandrake Romantically interesting but finally finding the spark with Willow. She was the first time a lesbian Character was the Main Character for me and this fact was just hand waved away. Because of this the Sunlow ship was a massive disappointment for me.
Well personally I think it's neat that she can just be the way she is without it being anything noteworthy, just a natural part of how she is just like her eye or scale color, ya know ? Maybe I don't really have the same perceptive on it since I'm not a Lesbian, but as an NB aroace person I would prefer a character like me to be written that way as well. Eh, I guess I can see it both ways tho
Nobody really complained about wof romance until a gay ship popped up. These people know that they’re in the wrong, because they try to avoid outright saying that they don’t like gay people. It’s strange.
honestly it isnt shoving anything down your throat, sunlow is not the main focal point of the story, nor is it really emphasized. It’s if anything, less shoved down your throat than the straight relationships in the series.
I READ THIS WHEN I WAS EIGHT these people need to calm down... even though i DID read way above my grade level and i sort of got up and brushed myself off after that and said meh i had THAT talk awhile ago then because my parents knew i read above my grade level and told me about these things before they happend so i was prepared but still...
I think the reason why is because the book of geared towards younger audiences originally so,they think it’s wrong I mean even my mom thinks it’s kinda weird to have somthing like this in a younger kid book in my mind the book is for 10 and up
Ten year old's know much more than you think. Especially when their parents are homophobic republicans. I remember being ten years old and I had already read enough books that included gay content and wars, or things such as the hunger games, which touches many, much more mature topics to the point where I had learned how to hide it so well my parents are clueless about Ricks books. Remember, you raise superhumans who can over throw the government and recognize someone across the house by their foots steps by being strict, not obedient ones that do what ever you say and are clueless to the world.
Cmon I didn't really like The Poison Jungle but do people like this realise how ridiculous they're being? Oh look this person who's sound is 'she/her' loves another who's sound is 'she/her'. I mean, a dragon disemboweling himself? Fine! Scarlets face melting off? Sure. But this... This is tOO FAR!
I hate the fact that people who say there Christian are homophobic but literally in the Bible it never says gayness is a sin 💀 and honestly I don’t want anyone saying “oh you’re wrong the bible does say it’s a sin” it doesn’t do research and someone probably rewriting the bible:|
People be calling lgbtq+ pairs inappropriate and political but ignore the politics that already existed and didn’t question MoonxQibli Heard that Anemone has a crush on Tamarin. Blue has two moms who love each other more than Blue and Luna’s father, referred to as “my moms” when he was lamenting how much he missed them, and that was like in The Hive Queen I think. But nope it’s only a problem when it’s a main gay character is involved. Plus the SunLow relationship isn’t even sexual. It’s frickin adorable and Warrior Cats should take notes on relationship writing. It’s probably the first canon gay ship I’ve read about that I absolutely enjoyed (because I don’t read that many franchises that had them.)
5:43 ok so I get that they might not want to introduce LGBTQ+ to their kids, but seriously, how about researching it before buying it? Also have you seen the amount of gays ships you get in some other book series Edit: I get that this might not be what they meant, but it’s the writers choice to add sundew and willows ship, not ours
I didn't mind Wildew I just love the series .I relate to Sunny the most most people see me as this bubbly idiot that can't think for themselves.I also think that people should stop shoving a porcupine up there butt and grade the writing not the themes let alone actually trying to parent. Edit:(I meant Sunlow)
Children: Read about death, gore, blood, and war Parents: Mk good job Children: Read about a Lesbian relationship Parents: NO WE'RE RETURNING THE BOOK YOU CANT READ ANY MORE WINGS OF FIRE AND NO MORE BOOKS FROM TUI Expessily infuriates me as a pansexual person.
I feel like that it i kinda silly that everyone is upset about LBGTQ+ yet they are not worried about how scary that book was XD I was actually scared for Blue bannana boi
Ok this video is great and I love all the responses but am I the only one who’s wondering when hemlock was seperated? I mean, hawthorn’s Life (and death) were pretty sad but… Sorry if this was a bit too mean/harsh XD
I can't wait for the same to happen for The Flames Of Hope since... yeah.
Small spoiler alert-
Jambu and Pineapple are confirmed to be dating and a scavenger named Axolotl is non-binary. Axolotl in particular, the book simply states that they use 'they and them pronouns', which would be enough for parents to start shaking in their boots and weeping loudly for how traumatized their children will be.
Rip freedom, i shed a tear.
@@veghoar What do you mean by 'was'?
@@veghoar wdym was man?
Ah yes I remember that quote it’s like only one I can remember.
“Are they a boy human or a girl human?”
*”Both? Neither? They use they/them pronous”*
Tui saw these reviews and doubled down
wings of fire: [features war, genocide, murder, a dragon disemboweling himself in front of a large crowd]
parents: i sleep
wings of fire: [has one (1) wlw couple]
parents: real shit?
There's literally a pedo dragon (whirlpool) and nobody gives a shit 😭😭 but everyone is throwing shit at a book because...Lesbians????
I hadn't thought of whirlpool that way, I mean, I knew, my mind just didn't really register it.
And decapitated heads
@xxErrorYT I meant as in how did I not notice that I dint mean to make it sound weird like I did
actually 2
I find it funny how people are worried about their kids reading about LBGTQ+ couples, but are fine with them reading about war, blood, death, dragons dying in awful ways, one dragon trying to wipe out a whole tribe just because he doesn't like them, and much more. but those couples are what made them angry?
Yup
@@Breetles. Beautiful.
That's because violence in children's books is not uncommon. Some say it's because they aren't humans. The Inheritance Cycle has the same amount of violence with humans and it's still for children as well.
I have a very strong aggression towards homophobes. I don’t understand and I don’t accept. I hate them with every bone in my body and more, and just the karen attitude is disgusting. They’re stupid and don’t know what it’s like to be aromatic or gay or pan. Sorry, I’m ranting, I just hate them so much.
@@Breetles. best comment ever
People need to turn the homophobia down a bit, your ten year old isn’t going to be traumatized for life by reading about a wlw couple if they read about genocide and Arctic legitimately disemboweling himself onstage… love is love🏳️🌈
The children Probably will not even understand it.
@@protomedia8325
Yep they wouldn’t understand it
I also didn’t understand gay or even knew being gay was a thing 💀
@@sapphirewingsxx2451 same, I've grown up with homophobic parnets and my head forced me to think that sundew was a boy lol
@@protomedia8325 omg I would do that tooo 💀
And sometimes if there’s some gay stuff on the tv and one looks masculine or smth I’d tell my parents that it’s a boy 💀💀
@@sapphirewingsxx2451 yeah, my parnets saw me watching a sundew x willow amv and I said sundew was a boy
I’m disappointed in people, this is legit my favourite book in the series and to hear people just be jerks over a SHIP is just sad
What’s even worse is that sundew x willow is actually better that 99% of the straight couples yet it gets the most hate
Yeah! I love sunlow :)
@Emmanuel Brijandez Torres Yeah, especially moonbli. That one is very bland imo
@Emmanuel Brijandez Torres honestly Fathom x Indigo is the one I care for the least mostly because I don’t like indigo- (I don’t hate her or anything I just don’t care about her)
@Jvneberries True, i respect it I just don’t care for it much
Debatable
The thing I don't understand about one of the reviews, WHY on earth are you letting your 9 year old child read a book series about dragons murdering each other, but the person cares more about a WLW couple, jeez-
also if wlw couples are ''inappropriate'' then all relationships are then, like wtf are these peoples mind sets
Not gonna lie, I love the way they introduced LGBTQ+ to kids in this book. It’s not like littler kids are gonna read this book so I think it’s fine. If dragons/anyone shouldn’t love who they want to then why do we love at all? Being LGBTQ+ should just be accepted already. Again, ITS JUST LOVEEEE. Kids will end up knowing sooner or later and that’s fine.
Edit: Thank you for all the likes!
Kids finding out about the LGBTQ+ community is inevitable. And as you said it’s just love! It doesn’t hurt anyone.
Exactly! Its just love! People really need to grow up and realize that kids are going to find out anyway, whether its online or in school.
@@MochiFowl_4412 & @Alz I agree
Littler kids will read this but that's fine
@@veghoar Because people should be themselves. It’s okay to like people of the same gender.
3:30 Hemlock is Sundews dad. What they ment was probably Hawthorn.
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Yeah, I was like "But Hemlock isn't dead..."
these parents are just pissed that they failed in explaining things to their children and wanted to shun them from it forever, and know they have to do an uncomfortable talk with their child that would've happened eventually. Or their pissed the child in question might think its ok and the parent can't slap their silly beliefs in the kiddos brain.
I personally LOVED how this book was written, and I like how willow is there to calm down sundew and show that sundew isn't all prickly and mean. A+ for poison jungle.
in my opinion poison jungle was the best out of arc 3 (excluding flames of hope)
lost continent was great, we got to see new characters and even a new tribe, and we got to see what clearsight did after darky warky. The main issue is the fact that there are many mistakes in it and the fact that It is pretty much physical click-bait.
the hive queen was also great, not really anything bad with it, and I loved reading about lady scarab and lady jewel.
poison jungle was great too. this is the only one i have in person of arc 3. I loved seeing bumblebees adorable murderous intent, and the way they introduced willow in. hawthorn could have been a much more interesting villain though. He could control a serpentine thanos snap.
Dangerous gift: not finished yet but it doesnt have many components to the story and plot though, but the visions so far are pretty cool
flames of hope: haven't started but against my desire to finally not get spoilers, i read the entire description on the wiki
Thank you for reviewing this. I don't understand why people have to hate on books that have lgbtq+ it makes me so sad to see people think that just because someone loves another from the same gender is wrong. Remember everybody love is love and nobody should have to be hated on for their feelings 💓💛💚💙💜
I think its just because now everything you see includes LGBTQ references now. There is a new series? I bet it contains gay characters JUST because the “politically correct” demands it. Even when a new movie came out on internet you see almost just:” Oh I bet she is a lesbian, and he is GAY” take as an example Luca and Encanto. Those movies are the perfect example of what I mean. I don’t care if someone is LGBTQ and I think this is the way it should be. You don’t have to compliment someone just because is gay… And it’s also painful to watch something were the gay character is the good guy, or the fact that you remember them just because “they are the gay one” it doesn’t make any sense. I recognize that in those comment that 4rcane read a dose of homophobia was present, tho but this is just the way it is.
Did anyone else notice that one of the reviews was talking about Hemlock, when they meant Hawthorn? Just clarifying for anyone who caught that as well and might be confused.
Edit: Hemlock was Sundew's father. Hawthorn was the one isolated.
"Calm down, it's just a dragon couple"
Exactly
Spitting bars
I was reading reviews for this book awhile ago and one of them had the head title of: WARNING: HOMOSEXUAL DRAGONS! I'm not joking. I have always thought about reading reviews of shows with homosexuals. I want to do similar with She-Ra (2018). I will never truly understand some people. Also, I love the rant you went on about Pineapple on Pizza (I'm all for Pineapple on pizza btw) :)
Pineapple on pizza is the best!
Readers when a straight relationship is in a book: okay
Readers when anything gay is in the book: not okay
These homophobic people are gonna have a heart attack when they see She-ra
@@StormgemThunder Lol yess!!! How many heterosexuals are there in that show? like..1, 2, maybe 3.
@@kal.august.yippee Sundew, Willow, Snowfall???, Snowflake, Snowfox, Pinapple, Jambu, I think it was also Sora?? Or Umber?? That called Quibli attractive so there's a couple but they're barely mentioned and not milked for there ✨️sexuality✨️ so I really love that
Also I say Snowfall cause she called Cricket a scale closer more her type than Grayling was. Not confirmed but interesting 😊
AND BLUE AND LUNAS MOMS, Forgot about them 😥
As a queen person I can conform that this does not 'take away' from the plot. If you think that, then you are just thinking about how good this ship is too much.
The ship actually ADDS to the plot. It’s not forced whatsoever, and their relationship actually made the plot better in my opinion. They’re one of the best, and if not THE best couple/ship present in the series.
The parents who reviewed: "All the other books have appropriate content"
The other books: *discusses racism, classicism, slavery, genocide, and intergenerational war (with a side of more racism)
I love how the parents didn't realize there are, like, so many gay dragons that have been in the books before Sundew and Willow lol
Ikr lol theres the Anemone/Tamarin ship, the confirmed Jambu/Pineapple Ship, and like 3 more
DONT FORGET QINTER I LOVE THEM :D
dude, the romance was actually a very mild part of the story
Exactly!!
I am a heavy shipper of Blue and Luna parents, Sundew x Willow, Qibil x Winter, and any other LBGTQ+ dragons. And it think the hate over it is just bad. I see some peoples point of why they don't like it, but sometimes it's just bad reasoning. And in the third arc The Poison Jungle is my favorite book (once I read Flames of Hope we'll see). Though I do agree the antagonist being a plant is bad. It could have actually been Queen Wasp the whole time it would make it sooo much better. Great video I hope others will calm down their hate.
Exactly.
Pfft i just walked up to my dad with a blank expression and said, "The Poison Jungle only has bad reviews because of the homophobes complining about Sunlow"...
@@theowlgang3390 This is very much true
Exactly man. Wait till you read the flames of hope, people are gonna ship cricket and luna, and jambu and pineapple, and the whole thing is gonna start again
@@Krispykreme15 I haven't read it yet, but bet.
@Emmanuel Brijandez Torres im not sure if im gonna ship the 2 of them, but in the flames of hope luna is thinking about cricket for a considerate amount of time, like she’s the one she kinda trusts the most (im not gonna go further because it leads to major spoilers)
Anyways, i think it’s more of a friendship thing but people are obviously gonna romanticise that
I love how wholesome this comment section is, it really helps me regain the faith in humanity I lost while watching this video
I remember looking through this-
It’s so amusing , the homophobia is just sad, imagine being so uneducated that you think a sweet relationship between two females is worse then murder, this book series started off with violence, how is that worse then a sweet couple?
and then in the books before that, not just murder, but genocide, violence, isolationism, and the absolute clusterfuck that was darkstalker.
I read one that said, "romance isn't for kids" then let's get rid of every relationship ever in the media. No more parents, no more heterosexual relationships, no more romance. Nothing! Platonic only! Cry about it, it's what you asked for!
for me, book 13 is my second favorite book and SundewxWillow is my second favorite ship. I do not understand how people don't like the ship. Plus, if one of them was a boy, the ship wouldn't have any controversy!! that is messed up, so good for Tui to add this amazing LGBTQ+ ship to the books.
Same! Except sunlow is my fav ship, so yeah. I really think its weird how people hate it, its so cute.
@@alz1268 I know right!! I just don’t understand some people smh
Holy crap the finished product is so so so much better than I expected this art is so wonderful.
90% of the reviews: “GaY iS NoT aPprOpIAtE fOR oUr ChiLdReN”
Me who came out as lesbian when I was 4: 👁👄👁
Great vid!!
What I find dumb is that these books aren't for very young children, Darkstalker more than any of them. The books start off with Burn shoving her tail into Hivitars skull, def. not for youngins, also I hated the dumb plant plot point too...just disappointing.
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They should’ve added a ‘good guys vs brainwashed good guys’ fight in the last book or even at the end of the 3rd book. Would’ve added a lot of emotion to the whole brainwashing twist. I still found the books enjoyable tho.
The Bible text that says: “Man shall not sleep with man.” Is a mistranslation of: “Man shall not sleep with boy.” So Pedopholia, no. Homosexuality, yes.
As a queer person it was actually really nice to see a same sex couple in the actual light of one of my favorite book series. It was oddly refreshing and wonderful to read. It made me feel seen.
I think it's a bit funny that people keep calling Hawthorn Hemlock by accident. Hemlock is Sundew's dad. I will admit, their names are pretty similar.
What I find funny about these reviews is how they seem to have skipped over how in book 12 it was stated Luna and Blue have two moms.
I wonder why the parents even let 9 year olds to read wings of fire, the book clearly says 12+
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Funny thing is, when there's a book with a cis relationship that does absolutely NOTHING to the plot besides add drama to it, people usually don't complain, but when it's TWO MEN *gasp-* IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!! 1 STAR REVIEW, I'M RETURNING THIS BOOK- QUIT SHOVING YOUR AGENDA DOWN OUR THROATS!!!1!!1 *Incoherent bumbling, auto tune baby cry*
Wow I just clicked on this video thinking it was an old one. Next thing I know it was released today and only 21 views, XD 🤣🤣
same!
I had to take it down two times for reasons. It was up for a total of three hours before this version was posted.
Wait I don't mean to be rude or mean or anything, but by Hemlock do you mean Hawthorn?
They're makin' the damn dragons gay!!!
I love Sundew. Imagine ignoring everything she is, just to criticize who she loves.
5:21 I’m sorry, but don’t you mean Hawthorn? Maybe I am misremembering, but wasn’t Hemlock Sundew’s father? /lh
Kind of sus that it takes them 13 books to notice romance is a thing in this series... and then they target an actually healthy relationship when things like Cleril or Glorybringer would make much easier targets...
I loved this book. It’s one of my favourites in the series other than Winter Turning and The Lost Heir. Sundews and willows romance was even written really nicely. It didn’t take away from the story and I think it even added to it. Having sundew consider her actions when willow talks to her is a really nice way to have her character develope.
I love how these parents think that their 10 year old hasn’t heard of gay people
its sad how homophobic people go around saying the lgbt+ is inaproperiate and a terrible life style but the lgbt+ doesnt go round tell straight people that their life style is terrible. its honestly sad
Omg ive always loved the sunlow ship. I my self have just come out to gay to my friends i still need to tell my parents. I love how Belladonna found out by accident sundew never had my problem
OMG DID I JUST HEAR A BAD WORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welp, this channel is even better, 🤣
Your shading is amazing, I watch your videos just to look at your beautiful art and good reasons ect.
3:41 you keep talking about Hemlock, do you mean Hawthorn? Hemlock never died, Hemlock was Sundew’s dad and stayed trying to use Sundew as a death weapon. Hawthorn was the possessed isolated one who should’ve gotten a Seqouia reuninion. But I could be wrong
I love the fact you described it with pineapple on pizza, also the fact people got so worked up about a book because of a LGBTQ+ relationship, it's something that isn't harmful and children who already see alot of romance should be able to read about, also unlike alot of WOF ships, this one wasn't rushed, we learned they fell in love after years. aka. their relationship grew steadily!
1:14 this is the 4th instance of attemted genocide in this series...
that 10 year old review was hilarious! this series has genocide, abusive parenting, father killing (not to mention HOW he was killed. uerghhh), accidental father-killing, racism, rather graphic deaths, torture, kidnapping and experimenting on dragons, mental torture (palm) and a lesbian romance is too mature of a theme?
Accidental father killing:
Tsunami became a no father figure
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LOL, I just kept hearing "pinapple on pizza" XD
I'm straight but I understand why people are homosexual most of my friends are and I don't get why people care you love who you love don't throw a fit it really doesn't matter
I love Sunlow. Why are people worried about one couple when there's a dragon who was forced to disembowled himself on a stage by his son. Really sad
4:57 do you mean hawthorn? I don't remember hemlock dying...
Eh. I'm neutral about all of the ships or couples. About the violence part, every children's book involves at least 1 violent scene so I don't think that could work as an argument for younger children to not read WOF. Just ask The Inheritance Cycle, the first two books involve at least one person getting their head chopped off (They were both bad guys too) yet the series is considered one of the best children's literature.
How come people want to tell their kids when they are like 14 about gay people but will tell them about straight ppl when they r 5 I’m confused
oh and if people use the bible against lgbtq+ just remember: it never actually said anything about homosexuality, and it flat out says to love everyone :) anyways awsome video Arcane!!
Oh these people are going to hate book 15. They think one queer dragon is too much? Ha just they wait (I SOMEHOW was able to read book 15, it released early on Apple Books in Australia. No spoilers dw
I got it early too :DDD the biggest pro of all time of living in australia - we time travel. Sonic 2 and wof 15 came out earlier than most people
And yeah, they’re gonna hate 15. Just wait for the reviews to come in once it comes out in other countries
@@Krispykreme15 “oh no!” They’ll say “q…queer people/dragons! The horror!!”
Wait seriously?? :0
@@1983SpringBonnie yup
@@Eclipse-mf6hc now im jealous haha
I saw the thumbnail and died.
Oh! The one review said Hemlock instead of Hawthorn!
Book 13 was my favorite I read it in two days that is record for me-
"*gasp* a straight relationship mandew should be banned how dare belladonna teach sundew that some dragons aren't gay" that is what these ppl sound like it sounds ridiculous now that it's a straight relationship doesnt it thats. how. these. people. sound.
Also: Ive known I was gay since I was 9, I dont think a ten year old will have a problem
I disagree with the people saying Sundew was difficult to read. Hear me out:
Yes, Sundew can be a very difficult character to read, alongside Tsunami, Winter, Snowfall, etc. But almost every time, these characters have their reasons. Take Peril, for example. She was abandoned from her rightful mother at birth, getting put into the wrong hands. Queen Scarlet made her eat black rocks to “keep her alive,” but it was all just a lie. She also made Peril kill hundreds dragons in an arena for entertainment.
Sundew also had her reasons. Her mother, Belladonna, wasn’t the easiest dragon to have as a mother. If you think about it, Belladonna basically just used Sundew like a tool to get the Book of Clearsight and prove the Hivewings wrong. Belladonna also gave Sundew this abnormally huge hate of all Hivewings, even nice ones at times, like Cricket.
I’m just saying, Sundew doesn’t mean to be difficult to read. It’s all Belladonnas fault, really.
P.S: I Don’t get why people are saying that the Poison Jungle was political, when book 11 is all about using lower families, or in this case, Silkwings, as slavery. And in book 5, when 3 princesses need to fight for the throne. Anyways, that’s just my opinion. Also, to prove that you’ve read this comment, reply to me with the clown emoji. 🤡
IMO, Sunlow is one of the most well-written WoF ships. Sundew’s soft side is its most prominent when she’s with Willow, and the interactions between the two are healthy all the way. If some of these people bothered to give it a chance, they would see that it isn’t bad.
Snowsnow is better in my opinion. Girlboss x girlboss
@@5rcane I have never heard of this
what
@@Anaea In the Winglet, Runaways, it is heavily implied that two ladies, both with "snow" in their name.
@@1983SpringBonnie Oh right those guys
@@Anaea i just realised, i didn't finish my sentence --
but yes those two
I’m so glad you made this video, it’s a topic that really needs to be discussed more and I feel like you did it really well
I agree with everything in that one review except for a plant being the villain. Personally I was actually way way more horrified of the breath of evil than Darkstalker. Darkstalker was easily more powerful, yes, but he was bound at least by his own desires. however murdurous those were, the point for him wasn’t the murder, it was catharsis. The breath of evil, however, is actually way more ancient than Darkstalker and it is the complete nature of this plant to take over its victims. This isn’t a power fantasy realized, its a predator-prey relationship form something that isn’t even another animal, much less another dragon. That’s why I feel like it’s way more scary. Darkstalker could have been pursued into using his powers for good before Foeslayer left. Meanwhile this villain has no sympathy whatsoever, has waited an even longer time for revenge, conscious the whole time, and by the time you realize what’s going one it’s already outsmarted you in a terrible terrible way.
Because Darkstalker is way more focused on his goals and socail needs, he’s much more terrifying in what he’s able to do, far more than what he does. The only crazy magic animus thing he does is the plague. By contrast, the boe has been constantly working and doing everything it can. It will not hesitate ever to infect who it can, or kill whoever is in its way Immediately. Depending on how fast you read, 1-5 minutes after the villan is revealed blue and swordtail are already under it’s control, at this point, basically half of the main cast(not counting luna, she’s not very present in the story). By contrast, Darkstalker has chosen not to hurt any of moons friends, aka the main characters. The worst that happens is turtle looses his animus magic. But even that is so temporary that I actually forgot it happened. And you could count winter getting charmed too, but while that’s awful it’s not nearly as terrible as what the boe does. Also. Darkstalker is genuinely charming, but also genuinely lost and alone. I want to give him a hug more than anything else. Boe pops up and my first thought is kill it with fire.
Im not going to sit here and argue that the plant is the stronger villain, in terms of the writing or story because I don’t believe that. But at least to me, the plant is a scarier villain and my heart absolutely dropped at the reveal.
Also, There are actual fungi in the real world that land their spores on insects and are able to then influence those insects to spread more spores. So unlike animus magic(wich In some ways you can substitute for money, but in other ways you really cant), crap like this exists in our world. It doesn’t think and scheme like the boe does, but regardless it does exist.
Also lol I loved this review but who is hemlock it’s hawthorn
How do people say this book is "inappropriate" for their children when they are just happily letting them at the same time read about dragons killing each other in some pretty cruel ways, Tbh i read this at age nine and i was probably pretty cool with there being gay relationships in the novels, but some people are just so touchy about those tiny insignificant details.
On an unrelated note - you should do Running`Wind for akinater!
5 seconds into the video me: WDYM ITS THE WORST BOOk
Parents: Oh my god! My kid is gonna be scarred because of Sundew and Willow!”
Arctic and Albatross: *dead silence*
Personally I just wish they had actually acknowledged the fact that Sundew was a lesbian more. I would of loved to see younger Sundew trying her best to find Mandrake Romantically interesting but finally finding the spark with Willow. She was the first time a lesbian Character was the Main Character for me and this fact was just hand waved away. Because of this the Sunlow ship was a massive disappointment for me.
That would have been a very interesting thing to explore.. delve more into the forbidden romance aspect of it.
Well personally I think it's neat that she can just be the way she is without it being anything noteworthy, just a natural part of how she is just like her eye or scale color, ya know ? Maybe I don't really have the same perceptive on it since I'm not a Lesbian, but as an NB aroace person I would prefer a character like me to be written that way as well. Eh, I guess I can see it both ways tho
Nobody really complained about wof romance until a gay ship popped up. These people know that they’re in the wrong, because they try to avoid outright saying that they don’t like gay people. It’s strange.
5:25 that is Hawthorn, not Hemlock...
honestly it isnt shoving anything down your throat, sunlow is not the main focal point of the story, nor is it really emphasized. It’s if anything, less shoved down your throat than the straight relationships in the series.
*Cough cough* Ripnani which was pretty much included for the sake of romance because Riptide is cardboard and has no chemistry with Tsunami
Uhh it’s not Hemlock that died in the book… it’s Hawthorn so that commenter didn’t even know the character he was talking about
darn. have some of these people even read the books? theirs more gay ships then just sundew and willow
like winter and Qibli Jambu and Pineapple etc-
And Umber and Anemone and-
I READ THIS WHEN I WAS EIGHT these people need to calm down... even though i DID read way above my grade level and i sort of got up and brushed myself off after that and said meh i had THAT talk awhile ago then because my parents knew i read above my grade level and told me about these things before they happend so i was prepared but still...
I think the reason why is because the book of geared towards younger audiences originally so,they think it’s wrong I mean even my mom thinks it’s kinda weird to have somthing like this in a younger kid book in my mind the book is for 10 and up
Ten year old's know much more than you think. Especially when their parents are homophobic republicans. I remember being ten years old and I had already read enough books that included gay content and wars, or things such as the hunger games, which touches many, much more mature topics to the point where I had learned how to hide it so well my parents are clueless about Ricks books. Remember, you raise superhumans who can over throw the government and recognize someone across the house by their foots steps by being strict, not obedient ones that do what ever you say and are clueless to the world.
Also. I ain't eating no pineapple on pizza. Fight me.
Cmon I didn't really like The Poison Jungle but do people like this realise how ridiculous they're being? Oh look this person who's sound is 'she/her' loves another who's sound is 'she/her'. I mean, a dragon disemboweling himself? Fine! Scarlets face melting off? Sure. But this... This is tOO FAR!
I hate the fact that people who say there Christian are homophobic but literally in the Bible it never says gayness is a sin 💀 and honestly I don’t want anyone saying “oh you’re wrong the bible does say it’s a sin” it doesn’t do research and someone probably rewriting the bible:|
People be calling lgbtq+ pairs inappropriate and political but ignore the politics that already existed and didn’t question MoonxQibli
Heard that Anemone has a crush on Tamarin. Blue has two moms who love each other more than Blue and Luna’s father, referred to as “my moms” when he was lamenting how much he missed them, and that was like in The Hive Queen I think. But nope it’s only a problem when it’s a main gay character is involved. Plus the SunLow relationship isn’t even sexual. It’s frickin adorable and Warrior Cats should take notes on relationship writing. It’s probably the first canon gay ship I’ve read about that I absolutely enjoyed (because I don’t read that many franchises that had them.)
ok how tf is your lineart so clean first try...
Hawthorn was controled by the othermind, not Hemlock
Bro
Yeah I was confused why they were saying hemlock... despite hawthorn have been the one isolated, besides I'm pretty sure hemlock is Sundew's father
@@peeperthedroucan9257 He is. It's juat a mistake
@@theowlgang3390 yeah, but I still don't understand @NotReturnFlights commenting as if you were wrong
5:43 ok so I get that they might not want to introduce LGBTQ+ to their kids, but seriously, how about researching it before buying it? Also have you seen the amount of gays ships you get in some other book series
Edit: I get that this might not be what they meant, but it’s the writers choice to add sundew and willows ship, not ours
Can I hear that correctly or does the fan say Hemlock but I think they are talking about Hawthorne.
So, people are mad about sundew and willow, but they aren't mad about artic's disembowling?
Pineapple on pizza is delicious btw
I didn't mind Wildew I just love the series .I relate to Sunny the most most people see me as this bubbly idiot that can't think for themselves.I also think that people should stop shoving a porcupine up there butt and grade the writing not the themes let alone actually trying to parent.
Edit:(I meant Sunlow)
Teachers now teach 9 year olds lgtbq+ stuff in school here in Canada
Children: Read about death, gore, blood, and war
Parents: Mk good job
Children: Read about a Lesbian relationship
Parents: NO WE'RE RETURNING THE BOOK YOU CANT READ ANY MORE WINGS OF FIRE AND NO MORE BOOKS FROM TUI
Expessily infuriates me as a pansexual person.
Parents really dont want to talk to their children about homosexuallity
I think the creator with 10 K subs he mentioned is cyprus
Me who liked it Overall: *B r u h*
Y’all called Hawthorn Hemlock…
This is my favorite of the books wtf
I feel like that it i kinda silly that everyone is upset about LBGTQ+ yet they are not worried about how scary that book was XD I was actually scared for Blue bannana boi
Oh hey it’s back!!!
This is a pre teen book series, not a little kids book.
Just having a gay dragon isn't bad - trying to force straight, bisexual, asexual, etc. people to be gay IS. Very few people are doing that, however.
When I read the reviews I was in such shock at the people. The first time I read them I was so disappointed in people.
Lol 1st it. Is SunDew next will be MoonDont
anyone else annoyed by the fact that one review called Hawthorne 'Hemlock'?
Ok this video is great and I love all the responses but am I the only one who’s wondering when hemlock was seperated? I mean, hawthorn’s Life (and death) were pretty sad but…
Sorry if this was a bit too mean/harsh XD
Hemlock wasn’t isolated. That’s the thing