Japan's taboo: Hikikomori modern-day hermits | Reporters • FRANCE 24 English
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In Japan, half a million people live isolated in their bedrooms, unable to face the outside world. These modern-day hermits are known as the hikikomori. Since April 2018, the Japanese government has been conducting a nationwide study in a bid to fully understand this strange phenomenon. Once limited to young people, it now affects the whole of Japanese society. Our correspondent reports.
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""He's 32 but his room looks like it belong to a teenager"
Imagine someone coming into your home and basically insulting you. And they wonder why these people crawl into holes and never come out
What is the lie?
Lol I’m 34 and my front room looks like that with the Blu rays and PS4 games - I do leave the house for work etc on occasion though ;)
What do you mean "these people?" Huh!?
Hes 32, he shouldn’t be that sensitive
I love video games and watch anime. Also I still read and draw manga's. I'm 28 years old. I would rather be an introvert anyway. I guess I'm glad not everyone is judgemental of people like me and others who are like me. Thanks. 🙂
Watching a report from Japan in french program in english language.
Globalization man
I use a browser extension to translate webpage words into Cymraeg. So I'm watching a French man do a report on Japan in Saesneg, and talking about it in Cymraeg.
Where my Afrikaans subtitles at?
@@eirailltyd6719 how can i do that?
@@GAME4WAR here we go again...
@Ragu inacan I mean, it's not trolling if it's true.
It doesn't just affect Japan. Or Asian countries. I deeply feel a connection with these people and what they said .
I hope your doing alright
How old are you?
As an American, I assure you your statement is correct. I too identify with these people after a traumatic event 5 yrs ago. That said, I don't feel sad or depressed ..to the contrary..feel that way when mingling with the general public. I have selected people I am comfortable with but socialize rarely and I'm totally ok with it. To each their own I say....
I hope you are doing ok, dont forget that what society says has no bearing on your worth. Sending love from england
Recently there was a study about young people in the US that concluded that no generation was ever lonelier. And I bet that's true for most Western countries as well.
The comment section is interesting, either people are empathetic towards the plight of these individuals or people are calling them useless etc, personally I feel these people deserve compassion.
Whats the difference between compassion and empathetic?
@@Nei982 i agree with you
Edit: added context
I agree. This is a societal problem as well as an individual one, and not restricted to Japan. One of the people interviewed was “Alice” who now works at a startup - her employer knows of her past and gives her freedoms. Japan and the rest of the world need more people like this employer.
I agree.
These people are nut jobs, weak people who can't handle the truth.
This is not a Japanese problem...it's a human problem...
Jose Daniel be more attentive to your surroundings because its happening in the US for a very long time.
Scott Song exactly, there are people like this in every country in the world...
@@mysteries6894 You must be very young. It's okay, you'll learn. These individuals are undergoing severe depression. They require proper psychiatric treatment rather than public humiliation.
Japan and other Asian countries should start adopting Western culture before it's too late.
@@WiseG33k Increasing in the west? Apparently the rates are not high enough to capture the attention of social scientists and the media. Asia should be westernized again like what happened in the 19th-20th centuries.
Let's not fool ourselves thinking this is only a Japanese phenomenon. Sure Japanese culture may make the problem more pronounced, but there are plenty of people all over the world who do not fit into society. Society can be harsh, especially if you cannot conform to what is considered normal.
Society use to lock away the ones who dont fit. Silently euthanize them if they become a burden. Now, we are just left to suffer in loneliness.
I agree isn't that the reason why the word hermit exists? Its a trait found across all societies and countries.
Oh yeah. It's called lazy American people after HighSchool who live with their parents and have no job often associated with the use of drugs(marijuana). It truly is a common phenomenon.
that's totally right i'm a proof living kkkkkkk
Yes but it's much more common in Japan and it's becoming a social norm.
"Care about what other people think and you always be their prisoner."
That quote should hit him hard like it hits me hard everytime..
It's OK to care about what other people think, but you shouldn't care when it comes to being shamed for anything about you that hurts no one.
I know that's a mouthful. Here's the shortest I can make it: Don't shame safe things. 'Doubt it'll catch on. Closest thing I can think of is "no kink-shaming".
The problem is it is usually the parents, especially the mother. They dismantle their ego and tell their children how useless they are. And when your mother is the cause, you have to be pretty autistic to survive that. "we've been the best parents, all we've ever done is support and encourage you and you throw it in our face" kind of thing.
I think it’s a dysfunction in the society that drives it. Not individuals. There aren’t spaces for enough people to fit in. Ppl try hard but can’t find the right situation and it starts to effect them.
Also, for the people in Japan. Are they really feeling shame or do their relatives and others just think they should feel shameful? I wonder how they feel because none of them said they felt ashamed. They just described feeling disconnected and uncomfortable around people.
Then you think to other people so they care about what you think, and they become your prisoner
This was me for years. Through a series of traumatic events in my life, I became clinically depressed and withdrew completely from public life. I quit my job, cut off all contact with friends, and sunk into a deep depression that lasted for years. Honestly i was just a husk, barely present in my own body. It was prison and i wanted to end it many times. Somehow i managed to claw my way back to some semblance of a normal life with the help of my long suffering dad. I owe so much to him because he basically pulled me through. Mental health is a life or death matter. Just know not to give up even if it seems so dark and hopeless.
Hope you are still doing well, and congrats for pulling yourself through, its a challenge, you are always worth something. Sending love from england ❤️
how did you managed to come out of it?
@@enoch9468 if you are patient enough time will heal it automatically , in my case this was true
Idk if ur gonna see this, but how'd you get out of it, that slump?
"He's 32 but his room looks like it belong to a teenager"
That's an ignorant comment, and probably the kind of comment that make people like him feel like they have to hide from the world. The belief that somehow being interested in things like manga, anime, video games etc. are things that adults shouldn't find entertaining is ridiculous.
I have a huge line of interests ranging from American football, motorcycles, HEMA, reading 90's manga and watching 90's anime, video games, shopping, building PC's, shooting firearms, collecting candles, working on my vehicle... and that's just the tip of the iceberg, and I do all those things while maintaining a loving relationship with my family and providing a decent home for them. You shouldn't have to fit into societal norms in order to be accepted, but that's the world. At the least, you guys shouldn't contribute to the problem.
Yeah kinda irked me too when he said that. Manga and video games aren't exclusively for teens.
agreed. I am in my 20's and my room screams video game nerd. I don't think that'll ever change, even when I get married. In fact, if I find myself needing to "conform" to my future partner by getting rid of what the world defines "childish", then that would mean compromising myself, my happiness, and eventually my mental health. I don't think anyone could spend a lifetime trying to be what they aren't, just to please people, and not be affected by it in the long run.
adopt me please
Sometime the biggest excuse for that chase is called "babies". the baby, think of the baby, kids/etc. Nasty tactic from a male/female partner.
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"He's 32 and his room looks like a teenager's"
I am 26 and you should see my hello kitty collection.
I'm 26 too and my room looks like a horror house full of creepy pokemon sketches xD
😂🤣
Dude you copied this comment 🤣
A Very weak man it's sad
That boy ain't right 🤣🤣🤣🤣
-Hank hill
As a former hikikomori and still suffering from social anxiety disorder, this documentary totally hits home... 💔
@@christopherlgilbert Thank you very much!
As someone who lived 3 years of hikikomori (not even in Japan), I feel for these people. I will always look at my past experiences in a positive light. And I think that all hikikomori have been let down by society in one way or another. The hikikomori lifestyle is rooted in a great disillusionment with society.
Saying that his room looks like it belongs to a 17 year old just because he loves manga and anime is a bit insulting
That's the point, this program is trying to use shame to prevent viewers from becoming this way.
@@Kinaibhlan nah, the narrator is just an out of touch boomer. There are plenty of adults who enjoy manga and anime while leading productive lives. As clean and tidy as his room is, it looks nothing like a 17 year old's imo
TexasBrown713 ok boomer
@@TexasBrown713 I completely agree. Shows a massive lack of understanding.
I don't think that's entirely what he is referring to. The bottles of money and the general disorganisation of the room makes it look like the room of a teenager. I should know, I'm 18 and our rooms aren't too dissimilar.
They had enough of modern society and I completely get it.
I don't think those are societal things, more so entertainment, in this case they're entertainment that doesn't require you to be part of society to indulge in them, so they're the ideal and most accessible forms of entertainment, to others playing sports or going shopping or whatever would be entertainment, to people like this staying at home comes first, then whatever entertainment is available comes second.
@@Hopesedge I agree.
Faclon Bane I totally understand and can relate to this. It sucks more so when you’re physically disabled. You should check my vid in my channel.
I get it too, but withdrawing isn't the answer. You must adapt.
well i too have a bit of hiki, n a bit introvert... cauz i have enough of NYC, it's boring n stressful, i hated place where it's crowded.. i like things to be serene and quite with few people.
“He’s 32 and his room looks like a teenager’s”
I'm 34 Y old, my room looks like a teenager's. And so?
Right? Lol
ok, I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt personally attacked lmao
Υοu are a teenager, in mind.
It seems to me they're trying to say you need to have serious adult hobbies and if you like comic books and such you're childish. In my opinion nobody should judge you on your private life and passions
@@RayManiac90 I remember my first manga - that was Berserk. My friends said: ok, comics for child, so you need grow up. I was only 14. Berserk not an easy, light story. And now, 20 years later, still love Berserk. But my hobbies stay with me, after the work, I have many options for relax. Very important, because I working with money, 12hours/day. :)
After work, started my secret life: gaming, comics, books...
I'm American, but I've been a hikikomori. When I was 21 I became bipolar and everywhere I went people would antagonize me for looking scared due to my anxiety and panick attacks. I retreated to my room where I would just play videogames and watch tv for years. I would try to work and then be abused by people so I would retreat for another 6 months on and off in this time. Not until I found a good medication and found an okay job did I stop being a recluse. I am still a loner with few social connections, but I am in school and hope to meet people after Covid.
R u on telegram or any social media, I'll like to talk to u about my condition..it's a request
@@knowwhere4185 im the same but im 56
@@knowwhere4185 i ahve this problem too. When j always meet people i always panicked and soemtiems cant talk. Can you help me ...plss. btw im 18
@@johnmhellpaguyo9885 yah sure...where u from
@@knowwhere4185 im from Philippines
There is a breaking point when society gets too cold and competitive. My brother jumped off the bridge to his death and I consider it multiple times a week. I don't want to compete with everyone I want to be friends with everyone. There's no time for friendship or fun.
Thanks for sharing, Robin! :-) Maybe you can use this way of seeing things:
I try to practise, what I call "insisting goodness", which is to treat others, as I want to be treated myself and avoid the opposite - even when I feel a need to correct someone. Not so easy to do, but as we all know: Practise makes perfect eventually, my potential friend! ;-)
Even though people may not react positive to this, because it may remind them of, what they are doing wrong towards others, then you still have tried to increase the amount of fairness and positivity in this world by doing so. And at least you have opened up the posibility of teaching both yourself and others more about, what true fairness and neighborly love is really all about! ;-)
May you and your loved ones have a beautiful day and a fruitful future! :-)
you are loved and i hope it gets better 💕
Larken Rose - the most dangerous superstition. Break free from the mental slavery.
I want to be your friend Robin
Same, a relative of mine shot himself while failing to his death. This happened in Asia as well.
“He’s 32 and his room looks like a teenager’s” yes that judgement will probably help him not isolate himself from society
Very good point. It's other's judgements in the first place that made him not welcome.
Thanks for addressing it!
Ikr! let people room look like whatever they want it to lol
well it s not a judgement it s a fact.
Indeed that's where it starts the judgement when people do something that doesn't align with them😪
"he's not interested in anything" *what's the collection of manga then*
He probably was interested for a long time and then stopped caring for it as much, kind of like the man who worked for 40 years and was an active society member until he wasn't anymore.
im a 43 year old male in Canada dealing with this..No friends no car no job..just smoking weed,trolling on reddit and playing PC games online.
living the life
Well maybe get a job then?
Depression is hard to understand if you’ve never experienced it. It’s not laziness, whenever I’m not in a depressive state I try to stay in the gym as much as I can. And it’s not being spoiled either since many people who suffer from depression commit suicide. You become numb, nihilistic, mentally and physically tired. If you’ve suffered from Depression you know this all too well. My heart goes out
To everyone suffering from mental illness and I hope we all find a way to ease the pain and suffering.
Stay away from flu shots and vaccines, try to distance yourself from unnecessary emf/rf radiation (smart meter/ cell phone/ computer/ router/ 5g/cell towers etc.) Smoke some weed daily and masturbate frequently . Should be fine in no time.
@@seedplanter7173 Lmfao what.
I haven't had a vaccination since I was a child. Weed only makes me feel dumb and paranoid, if anything weed worsens my depression. To each their own but I'd rather take some uppers than weed.
@@seedplanter7173 this is not scientific at all
'Laziness' is just gaslighting added on to whatever has demotivated someone (hateful bosses and coworkers will do that). And the people who BLAME 'laziness' (or even drug abuse) for all sosciety's ills.... are the same people who are causing all of society's ills (the fist rots from the head; not the tail).
@@jaym8808 weed would push me deeper In to depression, I prefer benzos and a few beers, used to like opiates but they liked me back to much
The older you get, the harder it is to make newer connections with people
That's true.
@Alex What are you doing Alex? How are you, man?
@Alex I'm alone since my dad suicide himself when i was 15 i'm 25 now doing well.
Strong minds can make it like I did just don't gave up.
not harder, just less intresting and fun. At a certain age, u know what to expect. And it usually aint worth the effort.
One of the big reasons why I shut people out now is I don't want drama and insincere people. I feel too many people are not real and don't care for you as you do for them.
Being an extreme introvert is practically a disability in society. If you cannot network, you're going to have a very hard time. I'm a recluse myself.
And esp if ur thin ,and subject to bodysham outside
This is absolutely me
Half of the time autism is the best thing ever and the other half its a death sentence.
Your right
Yeah, I chose to not make any friends in high school and in college because I didn’t see a point in doing so and now… I’m kind of starting to regret it with how much of a struggle getting a minimum wage job is without “having connections”.
Think about all the people who watch/relate to this and dont even comment or anything.. this is a serious underlying issue who knows if its individual or sociological. I wish there was something we could do as a people to change this. I definitely had periods where I withdrew in a severe way, the best I do now is find ways to cope. People need opportunities and support
Sorry for how you feel… I’m thinking of turning off their internet or electrical connections. Let them live a provincial life with animals land and fresh air. No agenda, no expectations. Just bring an entire group of people getting together from all ages
Yep
I never comment. People online are mean.
2:27 This dude has the complete collection of JoJo's bizarre adventure and people dare to wonder why he isn't leaving his house.
Okay no
My thoughts as well, he is a true man of culture.
Spot on!
nah, he needs the time to practice honing the skills of his stand. thats why he does not get out much
man of culture 🤣🤣💀
Modern society: being lonely in a city of 30 million people
That's part of what makes us lonely.
Social welfare from the state instead of the community. That's part of the problem.
They should listen to K-POP.
They should consider moving to the country side, especially the areas that are becoming ghost towns.
When technology advances, there are less of physical social interactions. That's why everything seems shallow and fake. No intimate conversations with people close to you. I mean ACTUAL not VIRTUAL.
@@nabila9149 how about food? They wanna be alone but they are going to be hungry too like everyone else.
I will pass away alone just like the man in the apartment. I hope he at least enjoyed his life. R.I.P.
Same, will never marry or anything.
Hope something changes for you,and find peace.
Same, once my parents die I'm pretty much alone. Can't make friends and definitely can't find a partner.
Same here
the sad thing is they want to do something but its either:
-- no money
-- no recourses
-- no help
-- nowhere to start
The thing is, an individual will find it hard to climb out of it, only by being in a group that socially accepts them will they find a way to become better themselves. You see the same thing happening everywhere, including those who'd rather point and laugh because they know no better. We only become better by working together.
@@flatfac Sure, but there are way more people who want to be with people and just cant or are afraid. There is very very small % of people who are happy being alone. Most of the people while being alone, still seeks company in online chats, games, forums, watching tv shows with people living their lives in social situations. Being alone, in solitude with a happy heart, that is a rare thing
@@ConspiracyCraftersStudio Yet there are many humans that see solitude as a normal way of life and are happy with it, you just don't hear from them because they're in solitude. Some people cannot adapt to regular society and they shouldn't be punished for that. There needs to be a path for these people to go down where they can still contribute and be members of society but can still retain their solitude, otherwise you'll continue to get more hikikomori all over the globe.
@@flatfac I didn't say my life is a better way, nor did I say a person is not allowed to choose their own path in life so do not put words down that I did not say. I'd also rather be left alone, I like to be alone, just the issue is, that to make a living in this world its still expected by society to be out and working in an office, but since covid that idea is changing. The original comment also was to whom I was replying to, to state that it's not just money that's required to get out of depression, having people around you who make you feel comfortable is also beneficial. At the end of the day my only rule in life is to allow others to live how they want to live.
Many of them come from affluent families. It's societal and psychological (some form of social anxiety and depression). Many went to university before dropping out of society. They almost all have family support, which is help. And they could start by accessing mental heath care, which is high quality and available for free in Japan. However, depression makes them not want to start, because it's painful and scary. They feel safer in their rooms.
And it isn't just the Japanese, it's world wide, and primarily in very rich 1st world affluent countries.
Depression and social phobia can truly be debilitating, it's horrible.
@@evanangotti1258 well u r right but in my personal experience thats sometimes hard. Best someone can do is seek professional help depending on how bad the situation is.
It’s hard. I know. I’m not giving up but it’s hard when you feel like you are under a microscope every time you get around people.
@@evanangotti1258 wait what do you mean it’s not an option? It’s clearly an option. People do it all the time.
@@evanangotti1258 the parents of that 32 yr old need to put their foot down, force him out of the house at least during the day. make him get a job jesus.
Gday Kat , except for work I rarely leave my home . I live alone and have become very isolated. I dont answer the door and mostly dont answer the phone. My life has changed completely and not for the better. Thankyou for reading.
This isn't a uniquely Japanese problem, the Japanese were just the first to notice. I know lots of people in American and Europe like this.
Also many Australians. Our system is wrong and needs refining.
@@adammada511 The Australians don't break down the doors? I feel like the main reason Hikikomori exist in Japan is because the usual methods of escape(drug addiction) and treatment(psychotherapy) aren't as available over there.
yeah they're called "basement dwellers"
I think the reason it has become so prominent in Japan is because they don't really offer many services or help for people struggling with mental health. Most people in Europe are more likely to already have sought out or received help before totally isolating themselves.
@@adammada511 To make even more of them? Its what the school system exists to do.
"Make friends" is easier said than done. Most people are not friends merely acquaintances or complete strangers that are indifferent.
Hikikomori, or as it’s called everywhere else; depression.
some people dont want to be part of society like me, i live in texas and as you know we have giant cities, they suck. so we moved to the country on 500 acres away from everyone and we are happier than we would have ever been living near a city. fuck all that man, i can shoot my guns, ride my horses and 4 wheelers and play my music and nobody can say anything and if they do, well they wont...
Or just introversion
nick
Yeah but your capable of leaving your house. These people literally can’t go outside.
nick Murica
People can still manage everyday things with depression unlike these people that are so traumatized by their own society to the point of willing isolation. There is a reason why the suicide rate is high in japan.
I’m 31 and my room looks like that of a 13 year old. I’ll always be a kid at heart. Don’t let people get you down. Most of the time they are depressed by their own existence and take it out on others. Do what makes you happy
Stay young at heart!
I still collect and paint miniatures like I did when I was 12 years old, I'm 35 married with 2 kids now. Adults are just big children trying to make their way in the world, you realise we are all still children even more when you have kids and they look at you like you have all the answers because you are a "grown up" but inside you still feel like that 12yo whose just making it up as they go along. Grown ups just never talk about it or admit it I guess.
Am 28 and my lock screen on smartphone has been, now for years, Ralsei from Deltarune. Its to be in touch of my inner child. Being adult is not fun.
@@poochesworld Dude he is not young at heart, he is young lol. He is 31 not 51 lol
@@countcrowen145 LOL, you're right.
I have been a hikkikomori for 30 years.I have lost my ability to talk and make coherent sentences.I am 50 years old,never had a job,no high school degree(thats when I dropped out),never had a relationship,never had a friend,there was nothing for me in this world NOTHING!!!please don't end up like me cause its brutal.I am gonna die as a kudokushi.
That's just hurtful to read... I hope things change for you.
Damn
looks will make or break you. no one in this comment section is adressing this brutal truth
Bet I'll beat you. In a year at max I'd finnaly got a job...I'd be work in an office like I was a modern Bartebly. That's what people always tell me: Get a job.
I hope better times are ahead for you
To be honest, his room is so clean for a hikikomori. To be honest, I might become a hikikomori cause I understand this guy
Yeah he's either a clean guy or cleaned up for the cameras. He knew millions of people would see his place
if he is a real hikikomori he never allowed anyone to take him a video. and never let anyone to enter his room. Most of them are afraid of people
Who says house of a hikikomori needs to be messy? 😅
"He's not interested in anything..."
NO. He's just not interested in anything people ever wanted him to be interested in, and he was never connected to a community interested in the things that he actually naturally is (or at least WAS) interested in.
Imagine that your whole life nobody cared about what you wanted and everybody only cared about what they wanted for you.
You'd stop giving a shit about both too.
This dude fell in that news... He might be hikikomori too
Because he gives so much about everyone else around him right?
I was like dude has a sick manga collection tho
@@muaythaisaro3175 same as soon as I saw her had the full Jojo collection it was a respectable man
Same
This isn't a new phenomenon, it's depression and anxiety from the strict society norms. Every first world country has this problem at in an increasing rate.
Right, but in other countries your family would get you treatment. In Japan the parents just go "Ok then" and leave them to it. Not to mention, a lot of these cases are just lazy bums taking the piss. If Japanese families communicated better they would actually give their kids an ultimatum - contribute or get evicted. Not "I'll make all your meals, pay for your internet and you can live here rent free for the rest of your life".
It is a growing pandemic.
@@rougefox2686 Somehow I don't think evicting them would help.
@@rougefox2686 and that leads to more depression right there.
@@rougefox2686 Giving a depressed person an ultimatum isn't "communicating better", it's simply deciding not to be responsible for their decisions. It's fine if you don't want to bare their burden, but don't try to act like you're doing anything righteous or selfless.
This is not only a Japanese problem. There are people like this world wide. There needs to be more awareness about mental health.
Mental health is one of those things that people simultaneously give a sht about but don’t at the same time. Sucks but I don’t think that will change anytime soon.
Awareness is not the solution. Most people nowadays has some level of depression. Just talking about it won't change anything.
We have a ill population, but illness can be cured. And the answer isn't accepting the illness, but overcoming it.
This isn't just a phenomenon in Japan, this must be a worldwide thing bc I live in the US and I too feel like I identify with this, and I know a ton of ppl here in the states who are going thru the same thing... my biggest fear is that I will die all alone in my home when I grow older but I will accept it if it come it that point. Most of us don't choose to live a life like this, but due to trauma or various fears, we feel like it is the only plausible way to live
Same. I live in the US and just now getting out of it. I went thru a hard breakup, compounded by other life factors, made me reclusive. I slowly felt myself getting more socially awkward and wanted to stop trying to go out. I've since taken steps to rebuild and resolidify my connections to my loved ones and build a life outside the home. It took me over a year to get over my anxiety and not spend my free time at home, where I felt safe and secure.
And he pronounced hikikomori with a French accent.
Super Fantastic Top 10 glad it isn’t American
@@p4u7y But he's not speaking French and it's not a French word...it would be like me (English) pausing slightly in natural speech to say "spaghetti" in a Dutch accent. Makes no sense.
I noticed this too XD
Thank you for noticing- it made me twitch 😂😂😂
@@Superfantastictop10 The guy is french, so he has a french accent.. makes complete sense to me
The worst part from this is that you constantly feel like you're waisting ur time
this is too relatable
They kinda are
Why this is so relatable. That hits really hard. That feeling of the need to go outside and work but you can't find inspiration to move and continue your life but thinking that your wasting so much time of your life is adding up to your struggle.
It's no worse than busting your ass for 50 hours at the 7/11 convenience store every week. And well... actually you are much better off than alot of people if you are in a position where doing that is not a requirement to live.
Thats why we play mmorpg game that runs for 24/7 on our pc
Society doesn’t teach/incentivize you to pursue something you love or is fulfilling to you. Some people are just not wired to blindly follow the standards set by others.
I'm not japanese but I feel I am slowly turning into a hermit. The reason is due to trauma and just unable to cope with the pain.
Look into cognitive behavioural therapy. It’s something you can do by yourself or with or without professional help.
if you ever want to talk to someone, feel free to reach out. We can talk about whatever!
Try watching shows or movies that has the ability to uplift you.
I recommend Forrest Gump.
That movie could be life changing.
@@ripp3rjak934 I recommend one piece and boku no hero academy, animes like that makes me feel very motivated.
@@gabrielgamis5044 now way.
Invincible is best anime lol
"his room looks like the room of a child"
Bruh... my mans got the entire jojo collection... why you gotta do him like that? lol. Aint no kid got that many manga...
that was brutal
If that's all you own is comic books and cartoons, then yeah, it's bad.
Are weaboos in Japan called just loosers?
@@DreamfactoryZero You wouldn't believe the cost of the rarer ones. Collecting comics is actually a very pricey hobby to have.
@@neuzdost1939 weaboos are white
Everyone: panic's over a quarantine situation that forces people to stay at home.
Hikikomori's: First time?
hahaha ^^
Difference is, they're itching to get out.
Here I am wondering how these people just decided to not be employed and still have all the luxuries one could dream of... I would be too preoccupied with finding another job to worry about social anxiety or whatever they're whining about. Were they just working for fun? I don't get it.
@@Breadbored. I'm assuming their family members are taking care of them... Or their mental health issue is considered a disability in Japan so they get government assistant? hmmmm
I haven't panicked over it. I was happy to hear that I now had an excuse to avoid other people and stay at home as much as I want, completely guilt free
Hikikomori is not a mental illness, but it`s a sort of instinct of self-defense in order to protect oneself from strong pressure to fit in the social mold. Once they drop out of society, Hikikomori people will not be given a second chance. Unless the Japanese society changes its high-pressure cooker environment, there would be no solution to save Hikikomori people.
True...well said man...
I know of one person - a very young man who has lived in Voluntary Isolation since 1995!!!
He wanted to become The Greatest Possible Inventor Ever,but has faced so much disenchantment and disillusionment that he became full of Infinite hatred and sadness.I don't know what will happen to him???
This makes me wonder if people who develop agoraphobia are more sensitive/have less tolerance for the stupidity/cruelty of the rest of society...and that’s why they/we choose to stay isolated.
Yes. I am one of tham and that's at least my reason for it.
@@emilcioran8873 Being hyper empathetic can be so hard lol
Spot on.
How about you become less tolerance to them, they are gonna isolated for the rest of their lives
Yeah they get tired by society but I doubt they’re any better
Why is no one talking about the fact that he was bullied by a professor?? Bullying is horrible and can leave permanent scars. I hope they got reprimanded for their actions.
The weak should fear the strong.
Lol that is why i hate school
@@zhbvenkhoReload If they strong were really strong they wouldnt have to shit on others.
@@zhbvenkhoReload edgy bro
@@zhbvenkhoReload That sounds like someone who needs to oppress others to feel strong. That's not real strength.
dude is tearing up, that pulled my heart strings a bit. never seen a man describe his daily life with tears and pain in their eyes.
Oga Tatsumi ikr it makes me sad
bullying, it's what messed him up, shame on that person
Same
It really hurts to see anyone hurt that much
Its funny how people think depress people are lazy when covid hits they realize being in house never go out is prison
I don’t know why Japan is singled out for this when this is a clear and present problem in the US as well.
I’ve been living like this for 6 years. Doing things myself. Only 1 friend. I live in Canada.
my friend are you allright?
I’ll be your friend
You guys got friends???
hi friend i live in canada too
people are just tired of all the bullshiet
I agree.
HardtechnoVictim you can still be above it & talk to people; you don’t have to continue being alone & you can learn to love understand & grow yourself from this childish way of thinking and become enlightened & connect with your soul & others around you
Rafaya BeDa it’s a question of will you or will you not
@Zu-Lu 29 trying to start a conversation with that mentality gives you no room to accept people, since you already hate them before knowing them , so in reality you make it so people don't like you to start with and you blame them for being "bullsheit". You're basically pushing yourself out of society 😂
@Zu-Lu 29 I can relate to everything you said. I have 11 years left then I can leave society.
I get the impression that the culture does not want to recognize depression or social anxiety. They just want to criticize.
It's taboo in East Asian societies to see a mental health professional. People do seek help but they keep it secret. It's not bad per say. It's just the way it is.
The older generation of the Japanese (and pretty much most civilizations) has people who forced themselves out of whatever issues they had to be productive to society. When you lived the lives they did, overcoming their issues, you can probably understand why they can't understand why these younger people don't make a real effort to at least not be a drain to their immediate relatives.
Mental health is a serious issue, mind, but it would take the older generation passing on and the newer generation recognizing the issue for what it is to have a paradigm shift when it comes to dealing with mental issues.
No stop playing the victim.
@@warofmankind this is what trash looks like it's why the world has problems and deserves to be in the garbage
Considering the culture has set up training programs to help draw these people out, ur wrong lol
Beats being a wage slave for people who hate you.
Yeah, people would definitely benefit from talking to them first, before labelling them outcasts.
I'm 29 guatemalan american still living at home with my mother because of cost of living in california is to high after the pandemic, my sister is 33 lives with us due to another boyfriend cheating on her for the second time, the youngest is my little brother who is only 16 and he's in high school but has started his summer vacation for now before he returns back to school. It's very unmotivating and depressing, since my mother and sister doesn't realize what I'm mentally going through and acts extremely clueless like it's no big deal due to culture since my family came from a narcissistic country. I often cry silently many times each week, 😞 I'm like the only one in the family that feels this way except for my little brother since he's a teenager, and I worry about his future. My other brother who is 27 lives with his girlfriend independently for few years now. He often comes here to visit, and is aware on what's going on with me but doesn't seem to care at all and just pats me in the back telling me to chill n relax. My other sister who is 25 lives with her boyfriend independently for few years rarely visits us every 2 months. I get shamed when telling my mother I want to save money to move out far away to live a private social life but ends up shaming me, thinking that I hate her or something, that I should go to georgia to live with my dad instead, I constantly had to explain to her multiple times to her that I,m not going to see her forever, I would rather visit her often if I ever do eventually move out and become independent, which I don't think I'll happen, 😒 because of to many personal life things going on here with family n neighbors, I don't have a driver's license, don't even know how to drive 😮💨. I have 2 other latin neighbors in the same apartment that still live at home with there parents, that I've known them for since elementary school for the same reasons. I hate the latin culture, mexico and Italy do this all the time as well. I guess this is where I'm heading, like these people. But at least I'm not alone in this rough society.
Try making small steps, like searching for part time work online! Set reasonable small goals that will give you the trust to go out and get it :)
these people are pretty brave to come out and do these interviews.
Especially considering how they would be crucified by Japanese society.
Real hikikomori stay hidden
true.. i don't even have the courage to go out of my room and talk to my step dad.
i'm big pathetic loser
@@tescobakery1927 stop with the real hikikimori shit. They did not choose to end up like this
@@obama7792 is he nice?
Society sucks I can’t blame these people for not wanting to be a part of it.
D&D Operations I agree
If the world didn't suck, we would all fall off!
I 100% agree I don't blame you for being a bitch
Agree. The history was so better. Like 1942
If nothing matters you feel you don’t care ? But if you don’t care then why worry what matters? We aren’t getting out of this world alive, so just be grateful.
The same thing is occurring in the United States, it’s not just in Japan. I honestly experience this when I'm around a lot of people and in huge crowds too and it's not a great feeling.
Just because a country has a huge economy and lots of technology doesn't mean its citizens are automatically doing great.
it's not exactly difficult to understand, because most people are pretty horrible. if I didn't have to go to work, I wouldn't be leaving my house either.
Me too
Yeah I know what you saying 😔
Female told me to bad she wasn’t their to laugh at me when my parents died. I was like I’m done
Lol
too true, too right, that's the real face of this cruel world
What kind of university professor bullies their student, crazy
all kind?
All
i used to get bullied by high school teachers sometimes they can be worse than the kids
*doesn't
@@AF-ib3nl how do your teachers bully you? you mean like they are mean to you?
People grow tired of being expected to work for a society that doesn't care about them. They're just another number. Also expecting people to place themselves in certain boxes(i.e. getting into a career field you don't care about because of pressure from society and people around you to contribute) can be draining to the spirit. Especially when what the individual actually wants to do to contribute to society is shamed and ridiculed or just doesn't provide enough financial incentive to pursue seriously.
Its not just a Japanese phenomenon. Japan is the first country to recognize this situation and name it. America just groups these people into words of lazy or depression.
Those people are depressed. Japan is not recognizing/acknoledging it, but instead false-label it by calling them hikikomori instead of depressed.
@@Superior1995Rex But they're depressed because of society. You're putting the blame on those individuals, just like Japan is doing. Are you aware of the phenomenon of Japanese men committing suicide?
It's JAPAN.
Everyone is a hikikomori worldwide now.
I was just thinking about that now!!!!
nowadays hikikomori means responsible adults. oh the irony
Disagree with you. We choose to isolate, whereas people are now being forced to. I've been isolated from society and people for nearly my entire life.
we are simply low-status males, stop coping
being hikikomori is not a choice but a consequence of being rejected by society
kaku hido I understand that. But you can’t blame society for your own short comings. I know this is going to sound all Tony Robbins but you can always change and better yourself. Society isn’t the one holding you back.
"Even a phone call or an email, stressed me out"
Same dude same
I am okay with e-mails because I can ignore them and you are getting so much spam nowadays anyway. One more mail notifications isn't making any difference, but if someone is calling me.. oh my.. I have no idea what to do.
Slinky Animation me too, I will making a phone call even if it takes more time to email.
I’m so ashamed to admit it but I’m afraid to answer the phone too.
@@SlinkyAnimation Just answer the phone and see what they want. Not the end of the world.
I can't stand calls form Call centers man, I hate them, all they do is stressing me out, that's why I block them .
Depression is an odd creature, and it can certainly be differentiated from "sadness." From my experience, I would describe it as an "ugly emptiness" that constantly gnaws at your mind 24/7.
Even if it is sunny and 75 degrees outside, the environment will feel bleak and be accompanied with an impending sense of dread. It literally makes you not want to do anything except remain in your room and rest your head up against your hands.
Like in the video at 1:59 - I know that look. Too real. Hits very close to home for me.
It's very understandable and foreseeable. The world is getting more and more complex and stressful. And human interactions too.
He doesn’t need life he had the whole jojo collection
his jojo collection is worth the life of the guy who said "32 but his room belongs to a teenager" x10
A full JoJo collection tops many things to be fair.
Same
that will worth millions when he retire, imagine that!
RIGHT THAT WAS THE FIRST THING I NOTICED
"He's 32 but his room looks like it belongs to a teenager."
***looks around at room.***
You had 69 likes, I broke the curse
Only to curse you with eteru happiness >:D
Never get old at heart, my friend :)
At least his bookshelves are super neat & organized. Better than my room...
Mustafa Al bruh i was insulted tbh
Lol. Their rooms seem strange to me but I'm amazed that they have decent posture, mine sucks.
This hikos are way cooler and more compassionate then lots of "normal" people
No they’re not.
@@eriknervik9003 to me they are
@@chenashlynx7477 but they’re really not. This is a lifestyle that embodies selfishness and neglect of duty to society
@@eriknervik9003 this is the lifestyle of people who need help from a professional because they're probably very depressed and/or socially anxious. Don't judge things you've never experienced
@@chenashlynx7477 Actually, I can judge whatever I want. They may in fact need help of some kind, but that doesn’t change the core truth that this is a selfish lifestyle.
As an Indian, I assure you that this is not just a Japanese phenomenon. I'm a shut-in myself, but thankfully I work from home now to make a living.
Society is not worth caring about - don't feel bad to be who you are.
People don't realize their words have weight. Bullying is just rotten man...
his jojo collection is worth the mans life who bullied him times 10
@@twixxtro yare yare daze agree with you
Rotten but necessary in all honesty, especially in today's feminized society which is producing weaker people... bullying makes men stronger, it gives someone thicker skin. Think of the weaker underdog man who stands up to their bully and becomes a winner and then will inspire and help those who are down and are willing to help themselves. Don't have a victim mentality... nature doesn't reward that.
@Shadow Bringer Definitely not the Hikikomoris. I'd say most adults, especially those with essential jobs still go outside. But at least they're not being big babies and actually have a legit excuse to stay inside. Covid actually can harm you physically, while words from a bully shouldn't.
@@JAZPETES010 bruh I've been bullied socially and trust me it hits different. People say a lot of hurtful things that don't necessarily give you the motive to throw hands because once you do throw hands then you're ostracised for being violent and antisocial ("come on bruh we're just having some fun, it's a joke don't take it too seriously"). Being socially outcast is the worst bully. Bullying someone physically *might* prompt them to get strong and know how to defend themselves also bullying someone socially *might* prompt them to learn various social dynamics, human behaviour and psychology but at the end of the day when you're clueless and don't know why this is happening you start thinking that you are wrong, your being is wrong, your existence is wrong and you don't belong in this world. Young people need guidance and unfortunately, most adults don't answer them honestly when they ask them questions.
And you know what? There is nothing wrong with these people. They have not committed a crime. Life is hard.
@Marie Kondo really all you know is america dont talk about it beacuse you know nothing and youre trying youre best to protect this japanese hikokomori?
The world is so cruel, and yet it is beautiful.
bitTorrenter Its wrong because they keep using their parents's hard-earned money instead of working to take care of them
There is something wrong they need to go outside more and do the social things they like
@@alikryeziu5894 you dont really get it when u arent in the position of these people. you dont know how they feel , how they think about the outside world. i wouldnt leave my home too if hadnt a dream to go like to another country etc. the society is the problem and its the only problem not the people who lay on their parents money.
They’re not missing much. People are forced to work until they drop, living paycheck to paycheck. Most people my age will never own a house. Why even try?
This gives me tears in my eyes. I know exactly how they feel
I know of one person - a very young man who has lived in Voluntary Isolation since 1995!!!
He wanted to become The Greatest Possible Inventor Ever,but has faced so much disenchantment and disillusionment that he became full of Infinite hatred and sadness.I don't know what will happen to him???
The first man's eyes look like they're asking for help and they're scared. He was hurt by someone and is still probably struggling with memories of it.
I think most of these people are extremely depressed.
Just lazy bums 😂
@test 101 I care about how you feel. I am a 69 year old man in Kansas City, USA, with moderate chronic fatigue. I have a loving wife who works part time. She has a daughter who is 28 with emotional problems who rarely leaves her room or the house. Most days, I don't either, but we don't really talk to each other very much. Lately, we text now and then when one of us ventures out into the world. We tell the other where we are going and when we plan to return. Then when my wife returns home, her daughter will occasionally come to our room and then I will talk directly to her. I care very much for my wife's daughter. I love her like she were my own. I try to tell her comforting and supportive things without judging. Personally, I love people and want to be with others. But my daughter doesn't really want to spend much time with me, but I think she likes knowing that I am here for her, with her in the house. I wish so much I could help her before she stops caring.
you think??
Or they accidentally ate a meal without a table!
@test 101 No, you haven't lost your age you're holding on to adolescence possibly because that was the only period you felt a measure of happiness that inexplicably disappeared somewhere as you became older. Being 30 means what you define it to be but it also means you have that much less time on this earth to find and experience a sense of lasting fulfillment.
Turn off the cartoons, unplug from the TV and media and create your own happiness in life instead of expecting to consume it like some Saturday cartoon before your time whittles away to nothingness and you question what you've with your life before fading to oblivion. We have but so much time. Use it proactively to bring about the life you desire for yourself.
I feel that youtube recommended me this video to attack me..
Same.
Same
No, am not related to that society, and I got a recommemded.
It is very interesting, do not be so sensitive and paranoic.
@@zubuxstein I think he was joking...
@@bingobriano6021 Who knows
Nobody's last words on their death bed are, "I wish I worked more."
though i’m American, i am unfortunately a hikikomori. i wish i could disappear from the planet and live in isolation. i find being by myself very comforting. it’s hard to get through life when you have severe social anxiety and depression. i try to have no human contact at all, i’m too scared to be on social media, and me doing basic interaction skills such as phone calls or ordering food at a drive through overwhelms me. only if i had the money/resource to live comfortably in isolation, i hope to win the lottery.
These program hosts are so insensitive. Being shocked and "disturbed". Those reactions are part of the problem. They should try to be a bit compassionate and understanding instead.
You can see the contrast with how the Japanese magazine producers were portraying them in a more understanding and sympathetic light, then literally cuts to the "shocked" program hosts, it's pretty sad.
they are just examples of being what you're told you have to be since you are a child, they are sheep and they fear what they dont understand.
Very ignorant way of dealing with this problem. U cannot even imagine how this ppl is seen in my country, Italy... It would make this broadcast smart
disturbing sells better than understanding
the viewers should understand the density of the problem and not end up the same right so its a cautionary thing
modern society is a nightmare .
and this is the real issue, everything else is just the symptoms of the disease
thats what happens when a handful of rich psychopaths control everything. Billionaires are all trash human beings and their greed is what makes society such an oppressive place to be.
every society has nightmare...actually now is better than past..
@@TenebrusI07 it's not us billionaires fault. It's yours for being so willing to be manipulated.
Solid Snek hot take, maybe ur just salty because ur poor and maybe not all billionaires are bad because they are wealthy
I am 34 and i have severe depression, anxiety, and PTSD. I have totally withdrawn myself from the society for 4 years. Now i wanna live off the grid, but sometimes i just wanna exit from this cruel world.
Are you a veteran if you don’t mind me asking?
@@amandanegrete1306 No. I am not a veteran. My childhood was horrible and it ruined my mentality.
I live in USA and feel a lot like that. I avoid social interaction any chance I get. It’s a feeling that doesn’t leave.
You have to stand against your fears no matter what
I love how they try to find a explanation. It’s simple , there are no community, there is a serious lack of love in the world . These are the soft hearted people , they will feel the effects first and suffer fist . This is a precursor to things to come .
I agree to an extent
very intriguing
Unfortunately true and we're doomed as a species because of it.
wtf go to southern european countrys there your neighbours are friends and u can compare ur family with a clan. (of course there are also exceptions)
@A Bad Guy Its because society now allows you to do literally nothing and survive fine(physically at least), so people have no motivation. They should send them all to a deserted island and they'll get motivation.
"Even a phone call or a email stress me out".. My heart sinks as i realize I am watching this instead of checking my work emails.
Simple, just plug off the phone cable. You save money too
Sadly ive become the same way, and the hardest part of it all is it was of no doing of my own. I gave up the last 6 years of my life to take care of my gma since no one else could or was willing to, slowly over the years ive lost all contact with the outside world besides when i buy groceries. I think the worst part about it is knowing that ill eventually have to return to society and tbh i have no idea where ill even start, really terrified of the future, but until that day comes i wont know the full extent of what's to come. I really feel for anyone who goes through this or experiences this at some point in their lives, because most of the time you dont choose to have this kind of life, it just happens on its own through various means, mine being one of them but luckily not to the same extent as alot of others.
Agree with this. I didn't choose to be a shut in, it creeps up under circumstances.
i find it interesting how powerful your mental health can change your life
"He's 32 but his room looks like it belong to a teenager"
SOmething bad is gonna happen if he comes to my house, looks at my Lego structures and says that line
no body s gonna come to your room pal go sit down
Bruh I legit thought the same thing lol. My room has a Star Wars/ gamer feel. I have a gf, I’m very social, pretty athletic as well, and have been told that I look quite handsome a healthy number of times. But despite all that I was still like 🥺 “t-teenager”? Lol
@@sosmooth13 maybe "young in spirit"?
You think the super succesful hot shot billionaires are spending their money and more "maturely"? Their garages are filled with the real life versions of every toy they played with as a kid
r/iamverybadass
So that"s what I'm called in japan.
@Token Black because it's easier then being normal. I one too so I would know what's it like
Its amazing how they think this is a japan only problem..
@@johann296 ikr
@@jbenevy not the same thing
Im still 15 but same.
When I was 20 years old I was exactly like him. Because at that time I was skinny and didn’t have self confidence. I’m just staying inside the house for weeks and months doing nothing just looking at the ceiling. Sometimes playing videogames and watching anime. Then, one day my friend invited me to go to a gym, I said no to him. But a full night of thinking I said to myself “if he asks me again, I’ll definitely go to the gym” then the next day he invited me again, then i went with him. Starting that day, I consistently went to the gym. Gained muscles and confidence at the same time. Now, I still like anime and video games, but I also like doing physical activities like cycling, lifting weights and sports. It starts within you. I know if I can get out of this, you can as well!
Congrats 👏
Hey I'm from india....and i think I'm hikikomori... I've not taken part in society for last 2 years.... I feel the pain of this people 😭
Japanese culture of obedience and social food chain and respect for seniority and experience is at fault.
Incels are a product of circumstances and bullying
Ure better than me, i've been doing this for like 6 years brother☹🙂
@@rustcohle845 me too. I've been like this 5 almost 6 years
Mine also I don't know what I want to do if I decide they I think next when and it's repeating again again
1 year for me.
This is sad, but it is because of depression and anxiety. They need help, not criticism. They need love not judgement. Sadly I would be considered a hikikomori.
Hikikomori. Is a new phenomenon? No,, it’s called being depressed and isolating oneself... happens in all countries
not quite. try to rub a few brain cells together and recognize the nuances.
@@youwontlikemysteeze2945 Ironic 🙄
@@youwontlikemysteeze2945 ok.
Sounds like agoraphobia and depression to me.
@@XxXShevampXxX Yes, the video incorrectly labels this as hermitism, when it is more likely to be isolation due to mental illness. Hermits are people who want to be isolated, and are perfectly healthy and the isolation does not affect their lives negatively.
As a japanese, the fundamental cause of this phenomenon is modernization and nuclear family. Originally, 80% of Japanese were engaged in primary industry like agriculture and lived in countries with big families. In those society, it would be difficult to feel lonliness.
It's easy to judge but I felt so bad when I heard the first guy say he was afraid of the world. I broke my back and couldn't work for 6 months. About 4 months into that I also lost my license for a year. I spent nearly 18 months in my room, literally only leaving it to get food from the kitchen or use the bathroom. When I was able to get my license back and go back to work, I was terrified of leaving the house and was more depressed than I thought was possible before then. it took months and constant proding/encouragement from my parents before I could leave the house and go to work and feel comfortable doing so. I feel guilty because I would have never had sympathy for people going through something like this until I went through it myself. I hope these people find themselves and find their way back into the world.
It's difficult to hate someone when you've walked in their shoes.
For starters people should not judge unless they have been there. You can respect people even if they have issues.
This is advanced depression
yeah that's what I was thinking, at least for the girl featured in this video it sounds more like she has depression
Depression MKII
Severe depression and paralysis. Its really hard
All these men are depressed because they are just too weirdo to find a girlfriend. Look at the girl, the first thing she said was "I wanted to go back to collage, find a job and a BOYFRIEND". Most men are depressed because they somehow just can't find a partner... and I think women too.
@@felipez7113 could be a variable but i wouldnt say its the only reason. and it would work in reverse as well, being too depressed and unable to socialize with the opposite sex... I been there as well.
Since I have social anxiety, I feel exactly like this guy
I always had a tendency to like being alone, but I also had the notion that some social contact is necessary (and important). My advice to people like me is: (1) if you need to keep working (to have money and savings), reach out for jobs at unusual times (night, dawn, or weekends), (2) try to leave the house and go for a walk at the quietest hours of the day, such as at night, because it is necessary and healthy for mind and body, and (3) enjoy time at home doing activities that add value to life and personal curriculum, and not just for fun (if balanced playing games can be part of the menu, of course). My final advice is: creating some self-discipline and promoting one's own strength is important, we are stronger than we think and need to force ourselves to keep our lives on the positive track. As the saying goes, "When there is a will, there is a way."
Yeah, leave the house at least once a day and get a low social interaction job then work up to something more if you can manage it.
Thank you so much .
It is logical that a society that values work and money above all else would alienate people. Not everyone is able to perform this socio-economic charade.
I really enjoyed this comment
In the end you just gotta live your own life with your own set of values, as long as those don't prevent another person from living or living according to their own values.
I strongly believe that If a person lives with his mother as an adult or not, drinks alcohol or not, eats meat or not, likes Trump or not, that's personal, and not for me to judge. Who am I to judge? I'm not better than said person.
@@bdou.8425 this is what i keep saying. A lot of people is ready to ostracize people like this as if they knew everything about them. Its not for us to judge since we all have different preferences , stories , reasons , and decisions on how we ll live our lives.
@@mintaellectual1149 They're not judging him though, I think they're talking about the society in general.
if you dont work you dont live....