One thing I wanted to add - obviously not all vehicles on the market today are push-to-start, so relay attacks aren't the only way modern vehicles are being stolen. I was just referring to push-to-start vehicles when I made the relay comment.
Finally ordered a Flipperzero after hearing that Canada was going to ban them (I live in the US but hey worlds crazy). Thanks for sharing your insight, now I'll have more info to share with people if they bring up Canada's ban!
@degenapedev the cost needs to represent the actual capabilities that has as a penetration testing device . I will never be opposed to anybody learning about science and Technology but the device is being marketed as some Uber hacker incredible game changer . I will admit I was impressed it was able to brute force one specific brand and one specific model of electronic lock on one low quality Home Depot safe. If the flipper were able to Brute Force multiple brands of high-security electronic locks the hype would be real.
I’ve had a F0 for some time. I’m an electronics nerd, cute device - doesn’t do anything you can cobble together yourself. Was kinda unimpressed with it, but I admire how clean the gadget is nonetheless.
This video pulled up after watching deviant's video on The flipper being banned in Canada, got to say the RUclips algorithm did quite well good video and I hope you do well
In my testing, to successfully pull off an attack against a rolling code system you need to a) capture an unlock signal sent from the key, but somehow block it's reception to the intended vehicle or garage door opener, and b) the key can't be used again between the time you captured the signal and the time you replay it. I'm there are more advanced systems than my own personal garage door opener that are resistant to this, but I really don't want to start messing around with a vehicle and accidentally desync one of my keys. I don't have one of those fancy re-programmers!
Dramatic spike in Camaro thefts due to key cloning devices, LAPD says. These devices are about the size of a cell phone and are a programming tool that picks up the signal of a key fob nearby which the device then clones,” police said. Modern car security is worse than previously
You can steal a car with a Lishi Tool and a Laptop with OBD Cable and software for disabling the immobilizer (or for reading the login code and learn a new transponder). This takes around 2 to 5 minutes but is not as convenient as a Flipper, so Lishi Tools are not banned because there are not so much (fake) videos out there. Then you got some care brands like Kia, which removed the immobilizer in cheap models, so a Lishi Tool is enough to get the car open and running. Luckily those cars are sold with immobilizer in Germany (because the law requires this) which adds + 5 minutes for starting them. But in fact, those Keylessentry/-start cars are easier to steal, than the older ones with for example ID48 transponder.
The Flipper Zero is literally just a microcontroller with some radio hardware and a cute dolphin mascot. Anything you can do with the Flipper Zero can also be done with any other microcontroller and the right radio hardware. Got a SDR and a Raspberry Pi? Boom. Key reader, satellite receiver, tag cloner, pet chip reader, you name it. There's no need for governments to fearmonger about the Flipper Zero.
Вы можете такое собрать я могу такое собрать, но многие люди не могут такое собрать. Я даже уточню Очень многие не могут собрать такое. А флипер это уже собранный продукт с открытым кодом (да что бы редактировать его тоже нужно что то да уметь в сфере IT но это отдельная тема😅) который можно купить за сравнительно небольшие деньги. Вот они о бздят от этого.
@@Grifov, _The FlipperSero is not a super magic device that brings all technology to its knees, it is a device that combines many systems in one housing and offers a good introduction to the supported technologies, so that you want to deal with RFID and similar things. And when you are on the move, you have it with you and can use many opportunities to deal with one technology or another._
Can you open up the new key fobs pull the transponder out and read it? I just had 2 keys made from Amazon blanks and the guy just opened up the old keys put the transponder in the new keys but I doubt the plastic would stop transferring
_The first question is whether the FlipperZero supports this frequency, whether it can physically read and send the signals from the vehicle keys. I don't know whether these vehicle transponders also have 125 kHz or 13.56 MHz, or whether it is a frequency band that is not used by the flipper. And then, if it is physically possible, whether the encryption can be cracked, or at least whether an existing key can be copied or emulated._
Own a Mercedes with Keyless Go? Double-press the lock button. You should see the LED flash twice then light up for about a second. This turns the key off so it isn't constantly transmitting. Press the unlock button to turn it back on.
It is sad to see the knee jerk reactions from people who are in any position of office and haven't the faintest qualifications on how this tech works.. As it stands anything with a radio and software running on it... which is basically everything nowadays would qualify as a "hacking tool"
@@EV0L13 So an SDR for example the hackRF with portapack and what cheap radio? You're talking out of your backside. Why on earth would I need to google anything nased off that statement, he sounda like a flipper kid and you sound like his yes man
It's a key cloner, it can't program them, only duplicate the transponders used to start the vehicles. That said, I can't recall what chip that vehicle has, so I am unsure!
@@LockPickNic Man you are quick✌️, so literally I can just clone my key and start my car but it will show as there's only one key on the system as both are identical, right? Also the remote buttons won't work either without programming the remote to my car?
@@simengineering9183 yes, it would just be a mechanical key. As for the remote portion - to be honest with you it's been yeeeeeeears since I touched a Volvo, I don't have a lot of experience with them. I probably have touched less than 5 as an auto locksmith, so I can't help ya there.
One thing I wanted to add - obviously not all vehicles on the market today are push-to-start, so relay attacks aren't the only way modern vehicles are being stolen. I was just referring to push-to-start vehicles when I made the relay comment.
Finally ordered a Flipperzero after hearing that Canada was going to ban them (I live in the US but hey worlds crazy). Thanks for sharing your insight, now I'll have more info to share with people if they bring up Canada's ban!
In addition to the wonderful content, your voice, the way you present and the simple explanation are wonderful, as if you were an old TV presenter.
Thank you!
This is one the best videos I've seen in a while. The Flipper is %95 hype.
its still a good tool to have fun with and learn
Its just an IR blaster
@degenapedev the cost needs to represent the actual capabilities that has as a penetration testing device . I will never be opposed to anybody learning about science and Technology but the device is being marketed as some Uber hacker incredible game changer . I will admit I was impressed it was able to brute force one specific brand and one specific model of electronic lock on one low quality Home Depot safe. If the flipper were able to Brute Force multiple brands of high-security electronic locks the hype would be real.
I’ve had a F0 for some time. I’m an electronics nerd, cute device - doesn’t do anything you can cobble together yourself. Was kinda unimpressed with it, but I admire how clean the gadget is nonetheless.
Honestly, the portability is the only reason I like it so much. I have function-specific tools that outperform it by miles.
@@LockPickNic agreed, I do respect that.
good to hear an expert's opinion on that matter!
This video pulled up after watching deviant's video on The flipper being banned in Canada, got to say the RUclips algorithm did quite well good video and I hope you do well
Sweet! I appreciate that bit of info for sure. Many thanks!
In my testing, to successfully pull off an attack against a rolling code system you need to a) capture an unlock signal sent from the key, but somehow block it's reception to the intended vehicle or garage door opener, and b) the key can't be used again between the time you captured the signal and the time you replay it. I'm there are more advanced systems than my own personal garage door opener that are resistant to this, but I really don't want to start messing around with a vehicle and accidentally desync one of my keys. I don't have one of those fancy re-programmers!
Only thing my brother was able to do was unlock my door to my car with this. He bought this thing just for the purpose of trying to start my car lol.
Dramatic spike in Camaro thefts due to key cloning devices, LAPD says. These devices are about the size of a cell phone and are a programming tool that picks up the signal of a key fob nearby which the device then clones,” police said.
Modern car security is worse than previously
And dodge chargers as well I think these devices are either being made or bought over seas,some restricted courses exist on this subject.
Spot on, thanks for making this video!
Flipperzero is nothing but a toy for script kiddies.
You can steal a car with a Lishi Tool and a Laptop with OBD Cable and software for disabling the immobilizer (or for reading the login code and learn a new transponder). This takes around 2 to 5 minutes but is not as convenient as a Flipper, so Lishi Tools are not banned because there are not so much (fake) videos out there. Then you got some care brands like Kia, which removed the immobilizer in cheap models, so a Lishi Tool is enough to get the car open and running. Luckily those cars are sold with immobilizer in Germany (because the law requires this) which adds + 5 minutes for starting them. But in fact, those Keylessentry/-start cars are easier to steal, than the older ones with for example ID48 transponder.
On a Ford, It takes a minimum of 30 mins to program a key to steal it.
The security timer is 10 minutes for fords with PATS
@@LockPickNic yup. 10 mins, then 10 mins per key and you need to program 2
The Flipper Zero is literally just a microcontroller with some radio hardware and a cute dolphin mascot. Anything you can do with the Flipper Zero can also be done with any other microcontroller and the right radio hardware. Got a SDR and a Raspberry Pi? Boom. Key reader, satellite receiver, tag cloner, pet chip reader, you name it. There's no need for governments to fearmonger about the Flipper Zero.
100%!
Вы можете такое собрать я могу такое собрать, но многие люди не могут такое собрать. Я даже уточню Очень многие не могут собрать такое. А флипер это уже собранный продукт с открытым кодом (да что бы редактировать его тоже нужно что то да уметь в сфере IT но это отдельная тема😅) который можно купить за сравнительно небольшие деньги. Вот они о бздят от этого.
@@Grifov, _The FlipperSero is not a super magic device that brings all technology to its knees, it is a device that combines many systems in one housing and offers a good introduction to the supported technologies, so that you want to deal with RFID and similar things. And when you are on the move, you have it with you and can use many opportunities to deal with one technology or another._
Excellent overview! Thanks.
Can you open up the new key fobs pull the transponder out and read it? I just had 2 keys made from Amazon blanks and the guy just opened up the old keys put the transponder in the new keys but I doubt the plastic would stop transferring
You can read them in the key if you have an automotive transponder cloner
to be fair this is likely a *software* issue and not so much a *the flipper can not ever do this* it may even be *intentional*
_The first question is whether the FlipperZero supports this frequency, whether it can physically read and send the signals from the vehicle keys. I don't know whether these vehicle transponders also have 125 kHz or 13.56 MHz, or whether it is a frequency band that is not used by the flipper. And then, if it is physically possible, whether the encryption can be cracked, or at least whether an existing key can be copied or emulated._
Nice! Simple! And informative!
Thank you! I appreciate that!
wow - thanks for showing this. So much hype out there these days.
Nice video! Love that red case!
Ayyyy, thanks brother. It means alot, especially coming from you!
Seeing you watching other's video to learn is awesome to see. I have learned a lot from your video on the FZ
Own a Mercedes with Keyless Go? Double-press the lock button. You should see the LED flash twice then light up for about a second. This turns the key off so it isn't constantly transmitting. Press the unlock button to turn it back on.
Interesting!
Great video! Very informative!
Hola hay alguna antena para copiar a distancia
It is sad to see the knee jerk reactions from people who are in any position of office and haven't the faintest qualifications on how this tech works.. As it stands anything with a radio and software running on it... which is basically everything nowadays would qualify as a "hacking tool"
Thanks for this video, cheers
Great explanation! Subbed
Thank you, and thanks for the sub!
Super informative
Happy to help! Thank you.
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a replay attack could be done with a sdr and a cheap radio
POC or that comment is just baseless guesswork
@@PickedItMateReally? This is common knowledge. Why don’t you Google it instead of being lazy
@@EV0L13 So an SDR for example the hackRF with portapack and what cheap radio? You're talking out of your backside. Why on earth would I need to google anything nased off that statement, he sounda like a flipper kid and you sound like his yes man
@@EV0L13 and good luck replaying a hitag transponder with those 2 elements, you would at least need a proxmark and LF antenna
Now i want a translucent key for my 99 jeep
Great video!! Quick question, can the xhorse program a extra key for Volvo 2008 s80 and 2009 s40?
It's a key cloner, it can't program them, only duplicate the transponders used to start the vehicles. That said, I can't recall what chip that vehicle has, so I am unsure!
@@LockPickNic Man you are quick✌️, so literally I can just clone my key and start my car but it will show as there's only one key on the system as both are identical, right? Also the remote buttons won't work either without programming the remote to my car?
@@simengineering9183 yes, it would just be a mechanical key. As for the remote portion - to be honest with you it's been yeeeeeeears since I touched a Volvo, I don't have a lot of experience with them. I probably have touched less than 5 as an auto locksmith, so I can't help ya there.
Interesting
nice video ! +1sub
yep you can use a $35 SDR to replay attack but you can't do that with a $200 flipper zero sorry fam
save me some money! haha
Thanks for the video!