The Needler - D&D: Optimized #30
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- Опубликовано: 3 июл 2024
- Wait, you did all that damage with ... darts? Yup. Darts.
Turns out, thrown weapons can be really, really good.
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Levels 7-9:(27:32)
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Final Thoughts:(47:57)
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I am a fisherman.. I use a casting net which seems close to a battle net. These nets have weights at the bottom, surrounding the fridge of the net. ...dude absolutely I can see getting slapped in the face by lead weights really suck, hurt, and thus deal damage.
I wasn’t ready for that plot twist with the quick toss net..clever Colby!
Gloomstalker gets an extra attack each time they take the attack action in the first round of combat so with action surge they actually get two attacks each of which get the d8 if they hit. Pretty weird but that’s how the rules are written (but probably not intended)
Hm... "if you take the attack action... as part of that action..." my goodness I do believe you're right. Obviously a DM might overrule it, but nice find... 9 attacks in a single round at 17 tyvm.
@@DnDDeepDive i'd allow it XD
This is a huge thing at our table. As a gloomstalker/echo knight, I take oodles of attacks in the first round and "take out the trash" so to speak. Allowing the rest of the party to focus fire on the big baddie. Gloomstalker is my favorite :)
I was a level 5 gloom stalker, level 3 assassin and level 2 fighter, with longbow and sharpshooter. Our party was attacking a group of giants. I was dropped onto a hill outside combat by our druid, then on the first round I nuked the boss from a distance doing something nuts like 170 dmg by stacking all the turn 1 bonuses. After that I had nothing and just fired arrows for piss poor damage for the rest of combat.
@@TheTwitchyBrownGuy Worth! :)
Note! If you were following this guide by taking Elven Accuracy with Custom Lineage, make sure you discuss with your DM as it conflicts with advice given by Jeremy Crawford. See our discussion about it here: ruclips.net/video/CrqbFF9fOVM/видео.html
So, as far as I know, Gloom stalker allows you to make an additional attack when using the attack action, so when you action surge it gives you 2 additional attacks (one for each attack action). So if level 3 ranger, level 11 fighter, you are looking at 1 net attack, 8 dart attacks, on round 1 while action surging.
Yes! Thanks for the catch!
9:00 if you can't get Elven Accuracy, the Tal'Dorei book gives us the Thrown Arms Master feat, which lets us add more range to thrown weapons (up to 80 ft for dart, 55 ft for net), and gives thrown properties to all melee weapons.
"Let's discuss nets"
I instantly realised exactly how this build was going to work. What a brilliant idea!
You could be a grung at the start for the free poison? Be a poison dart frog.
yusssss
I’m definitely doing that.
Who cares about advantage when you do poison of your type
Try grung ua path of the giant barbarian ;)
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My man! You have the best build guides! Your in depth character creation has been a huge game changer for me. Thank you 🙏
Thanks! Glad you're enjoying :)
Found this channel a few days ago. Great content and I appreciate the tone and delivery.
Thanks! Welcome!
Is there anyone else who heard him say Battlemaster and thought: “Of course, interesting maneuver”
I too was expecting a PoR meme.
Your pure joy when crunching the damage is infectious
The metal intro with your low key slightly zen, number crunching, and clean style is an interesting dichotomy.
Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)
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Confession: typically when your videos come out, I hit like and leave a comment to help with YT stuff because I love the channel. Then usually listen to them later when I’m driving or watch them when I have some free time.
All this to say, it’s evident you guys had a lot of fun while doing the 5k special that came out yesterday. The training segment was pure hilarity, and I wanted to say I loved it especially. Thank you both to you, Colby and to the DM squad. It made my day.
Thanks friend! I appreciate the feedback and the algorithm bumps :)
That's an amazing use of a net! I'm totally using this on some of my builds.
Thank you Homelander
I do love optimisation within specific constraints/concepts.
FYI sir your graphs and math have captured the hearts of our lil slice of nerdom well done!
Ha ha - thanks and glad you're enjoying!
Always appreciate the videos
As far as the net goes, as a DM I would definitely allow the damage from the bonuses for one because I love the weird loopholes that things like that have, and two because I wouldn’t want the abilities that the player took to be ineffective at early levels and on top of that all of my players optimize to some degree and so I wouldn’t want the one using this build to feel like they’re lagging behind everyone else.
Hello, stumbled upon your channel looking for Bladesinger tips, and after that I pretty much watched every build you made. I do not really play optimized characters, but I LOVE this whole concept of optimization (I study math and this is one of the more interesting parts of my degree), plus the concepts you present are interesting regardless of capability. I will probably try adapting some of these concepts to new characters I'll make. Keep it up!
Damm.
I have been doing this on my own lenguage for months as twitter threads (this being optimizing D&D characters) and finding this channel feels like vindication on every warlock dip ive done and weird idea ive had.
You got my suscribe and probably my money once i get some.
Thank you! And welcome!
I want to grab a couple of bear traps for this character, along with some caltrops, and make them a super set up ambush hunter. Awesome build!
Quick note: Gloom stalker's extra attack during the 1st turn of combat states: "At the start of your first turn of each combat, your walking speed increases by 10 feet, which lasts until the end of that turn. If you take the Attack action on that turn, you can make one additional weapon attack as part of that action. If that attack hits, the target takes an extra 1d8 damage of the weapon's damage type."
Unless I'm reading it wrong if you action surge on that 1st turn, don't you also get an additional attack from gloom stalker during the 2nd set of attacks from action surge? The way its worded it doesn't seem to limit this extra attack to once per turn.
love the build keep it up.
Came here to say this. Dread ambusher is amazing with action surge
Yes, Jeremey Crawford stated on twitter that was the case, and it makes sense in the context of the feature itself. It's tied to the attack action so each time you take the attack action it should give that extra attack.
I am Brazilian and love the content of your channel, congratulations on your work
Thank you!
Im not even done with the video and im loving it
What? I thought this was Torrey's channel now... :) Looking forward to her takeover episode when you take a break.
Ha ha - you and me both! I could use a vacation... >.>
@@ericpeterson8732 Hey now! Other than the Lockadin I haven't had a Warlock level since November 10th - cut me some slack! ;)
@Chaplain Rock I need you to know that you're basically responsible for all of the "This is Torrey's channel now" shenanigans of the past week :P
This is a super clever and fun build.
Great vid colby!
Very similar to 1 of the builds i've shared in the comments!
Gotta say i love the quick toss + net idea! its now an alternative for the gloomstalker to gain advantage in daylight.
Just want to point out though you are missing 1 attack at level 9. Dread ambusher triggers on both your action attacks and action surge attacks. So that"s 6. That also means you get the 1d8 bonus dmg twice! Then at level 14 you are doing 8 + quick toss net.
One more thing, if you're in darkness, you can skip quick tossing the next and quick toss a dart or cast hunter's mark as you'll always have advantage as you technically have greater invis in darkness.
Love this vid!
Only weakness i see in the build is dealing with piercing resistance (which is why i added the battlesmith multiclass to my build so i get a magical returning dart).
The poisoner is a nice upgrade over hunter's mark for multiple dmg upgrades though personally i wouldn't take it. I'd still pick martial adept.or fighting initiate=superior technique to add more.superiority dice/maneuver choices.
Btw props on your positivity on every vid!
One vid idea i can suggest is optimizing a save debuffer (like eloquence bard), seeing by how much you can lower saves and finding good spells/abilities that these can take advantage of these reduced saves to end combats quicker (aside from the typical banishment as the targets for that are limited).
Really nice vid/build, you made the net viable!
Note that while poison is the most common IMMUNITY, it is actually NOT a common RESISTANCE, which is all the Poisoner feat cares about.
That said, it's usually fairly obvious when fighting something immune to poison (constructs, elementals, undead, basically anything without flesh), so you can just choose not to use poison against those targets.
Also, ask your DM if you can research magical poisons that affect those targets anyway. One time my DM let me create poison out of holy water to use against undead, it was awesome.
Vindication 😁 this build is so fun to analyze, first time in my life I had to write down every combo in my head and i think i ended up pretty close💪
Its much less optimized, but i had made a version of this that uses Swarmkeeper Ranger just because I like the idea of a beekeeper going around throwing darts at people.
Only if the darts also look like big bees.
For me there is only one problem: damage resistance to non-magical darts. If you go 2 lvls of artificer you get +1 to atk and dmg, the dart becomes magical and it comes back to your hand
I considered this and artificer is an good option that fixes it. What about soulknife rogue with psychic blades? The rules say "Whenever you take the Attack action, you can manifest a psychic blade from your free hand and make the attack with that blade." This wouldn't be magical but almost nothing is resistant to psychic damage. This would also do an extra 2d6 per round with a 3 level dip but you coudn't do assassin later (which I wouldn't do anyway). If you don't like the idea of psychic blades appearing out of nowhere you could reskin them as blades you are pulling out of your sleeve.
Another problem is to face huge or larger creatures, in witch case you can't use nets. I don't now how to solve that
Returning Weapon also helps Poisoner dosages not become wasted on any misses. Then for your second infusion, Repeating Shot is a great alternate weapon packing a significant range increase. Put it on a Heavy Crossbow and now you don't necessarily have to go for CBE. Plenty of options for your BA in this build. 15ft max net range or even 60ft dart range often won't cut it. Eventually you and/or the enemies might be retreating due to low hps. Switch to your beefy d10 xbow and laugh as up to 400ft range still keeps you in the fight. Likely worth it in the same vain to take Artificer to 3 for Battlesmith. Now you have both dream reactions of Absorb Elements and Shield, and a Defender. Heroism to ignore fear--very nice package.
Facing something too big to net in broad daylight? Faerie Fire has you covered...with a little luck. Might even counter some invisibility at some point. Two more issues with getting advantage dealt with. I could see Sanctuary coming in clutch too when you already have advantage in the dark, and would rather be safer after your turn than throwing one more dart. Or in tight corridors where the heavy crossbow's extra range won't matter...Chase and kite with Expeditious Retreat. Fantastic bonus option alternatives for when you aren't trying to nova. Which is most the time.
This would probably be ideal if you know your DM doesn't use surprise often and isn't taking you to high levels. Stop at Fighter 5-6, and cut Rogue entirely. Artificer will likely be much more realistic improvements to the damage, survivability, and maybe even the burst. BM 5, Gloom 3, Battlesmith 3. Feeling solid here at level 11. Could reach Fighter 11 by 17, or just take it a bit further for feats. If Blood Hunter is allowed, dip 2-3 levels here. Crimson Rite will apply on every attack so long as you have the Returning infusion. Try to swap Fighting Styles so that BH takes Archery and Fighter/Ranger grab Blind Fighting. Now no one can hide from your combo. Ghostslayer is a clear winner if you're fighting lots of undead...though the bright weapon could really screw you. Order of Mutant for...+3 Int to really help with Artificer DCs like Faerie Fire. Or just become a Wererat and wig everybody out. Instead of imagining all the darts strapped to your limbs and inside your coat...pull out normal sized rats! From everywhere! Chuck them mercilessly! The last thing your foes will see are toxic rat teeth flying fang first at their face. Hail to the Nibbler.
Oh completely, next to a 2 level dip in fighter I think a 2 level dip in Artificer is probably the best two levels you can get.
I'm just laughing at the mental image of a character throwing and catching the same dart over and over again
Interesting idea to get hunter's mark off pre-combat would be to take the metamagic adept feat with subtle spell to cast it silently.
You can always dip 1 or 2 levels Cleric of the Twilight for advantage on initiative, 300+ft darkvision, guidance, bless and channel divinity maybe.
Was trying to figure out a artificer dart build and ofc found your video as a cool starting point. Piercer feat plays very nicely with assassin, since you would get all crits. Even though it's just d4s it's still extra on each attack.
Awesome video love it
Love the shirt. Great idea that I never considered, thank you.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed :)
I LOVE your videos! This character reminds me of Kraven.
Ah! The trick shot artist! Love this sort of thing.
One of my party members used your Hexblade Warlock build and WAS the ultimate damage dealer, we snuck up on an Aboleth and using the Grave Cleric’s feature that give vulnerability yo the next attack it took, he dealt 190 damage in a single turn and killed it in a single go. This was the ultimate moment before a heavily homebrew player turned out to be able to do 200 damage in a single turn WITHOUT vulnerability. Now I’m looking at this for a new character and I can’t wait to try it.
Ha ha nice! I really loved the Needler - still high on my list of characters I'd like to try in game - see it in action in our 10k Gauntlet if you haven't yet :) ruclips.net/video/LAB9w3zL7iU/видео.html
Just found your channel today and subscribed. Your intos tend to drag a bit for my taste, but your content is quite good. Thank you.
I am nothing if not long-winded! Glad you're here - thanks :)
I think the gloom stalker extra attack is when you take the attack action, so you should get 2 if you action surge on your first turn
This^
Great vid! As a sidenote: if you have a decent wisdom score, consider a dip into War cleric... you can throw a net without expending superiority dice (and add precision attack) a few times per day
Loving how you spice up a classic build strategy using nets and darts, especially quick-tossing a net. This feels like one of the most conditional builds yet, but was super fun to watch. Here’s a theme concept for the future: how many duplicates can a PC have up at one time? (Insert obligatory naruto reference) Another is the ultimate teleporter. Since there’s lots of ways to do so, what makes the most effective teleport build?
Thanks - yes - not as bad as the Assasserer or probably the Grappler, but up there :). Ok will add to the list!
One of my fav build's, lore bard/2 pally lvls. At lvl 8 you can summon Shadow blade at 4d8 psychic damage and smite for another 4d8. Take any elf for triple advantage. Not to mention all the other spells and skills/expertise. At 12th lvl cast steel wind strike 6d10 force DMG plus shadow blade, plus smites. yes you blow through spells, but after wards you still have your shadow balde for sustained 4d8 psychic DMG
Optimize a character who uses a blowgun just for fun.😁
The Blowj...
Probably a Goblin Battle Master/ Gloomstalker/ Assassin with Sharpshooter and Crossbow Expert.
I feel like Colby got a little emotional during that first damage report. So much damage!
Today i can confirm... This is my favorite chanel, Im having a lot of fun checking all your builds, manking some changes, etc...
Build ideas:
- Sauron(LotR) - Debuffs, Mace, Heavy armor, Charms
- Balrog (LotR) - Showd and WHIP??? A lot of fire and melee attacks
- Oberyn (Game of Thrones) - Qstaff, lance? Acrobatics...
- Gandalf (my favorite character), I made it a lot of times, but I never could imput much damage
Thank you! Got some LotR ideas on the list now!
if you make your gandalf an elf, then you could be a bladesinger wizard...
(also, gandalf is not hoomin, so there's that)
Would be nice to see what these awesome builds would look like on a charactersheet, have a hard time remembering every feature and ability. So a link to an online charactersheet would be great to have along side these awesome video's.
I let out an audible gasp when I heard that level 6 damage report! Insanity
I love this throwing weapon build! Like dual wielding, it is such a fun concept that unfortunately doesn't typically preform well in game.
If I were going to do a thrown build these days, it would be with two levels of artificer. Get that Returning infusion, so you only need ONE thrown weapon, instead of a bunch of extra copies of it.
Hard to pass up... and +1 from the get go is really nice... just so hard to get that 13 Int! But for sure a worthy consideration.
This will be perfect for a character i was thinking of making an assassin but he felt a bit lackluster with thrown weapons being as they are.
To answer the Quick Toss maneuver Superiority die question. If one of my players were wanting to use a net with this maneuver, I'd have the Superiority die roll add to the Strength check DC, instead of damage.
There is a real life weapon that would work great with this and still achieve similar results, the Bolas. I've had them add to my game world.
Bolas 5sp 1d4 bludgeoning 3lb. Finesse, Thrown (range 20/40), Special (same as net)
Love the Bola!
I have worked up a similar build, but I'm playing as a Sea Elf Fighter (Dark vision, bonuses to Dex and Con, proficiency with nets). I described the character to my DM as what it would look like if Aquaman tried to fight like Batman. I probably could have considered just playing a ranger for more communion with sea creatures (Sea Elves, evidently, can communicate to creatures with a swim speed already) but I don't envision our journey will put us into contact with very many dolphins.
Have you thought of using DND Beyond or another resource to put up the builds as you go? Something visual besides your quick captions to track where you are and what the key points of the build are as you go?
yes - the problem is one of time, more than anything, and also knowing if we just do a character sheet at level 20 (which doesn't feel that helpful to me, personally) or one at, say, 6, 9, 13, and 17, so you can see the progress (which exacerbates the time problem...)
@@DnDDeepDive I only used dnd Beyond as an example. Even Tulok style would help greatly, especially since you go very in depth on each decision and it helps keep a quick reminder of where we are and such. It is your time though and your videos are great regardless.
@@hatenull Thanks! One day (hopefully soon?) I'll hire someone to help me with all the production stuff I get bogged down by/haven't gotten to yet so I can focus more on content creation :)
There's one huge problem. Custom Lineage doesn't work like he builds so he couldn't take Elven Accuracy.
@@DnDDeepDive Id love to help you with this :D
My new favourite build haha
I will point out that using Canny to double your proficiency bonus with Perception does also double your proficiency bonus for your passive perception. That can be very significant depending on what kind of campaign you're playing.
best pick for canny imo.
On the net attack damage you could play it out as by having the feat and the maneuver it's like a proficiency in a way where you may tie rocks into your net that when thrown and hits it deals the damage as bludgeoning. Whether you would need to spend time per net to tie the rocks in would be up to your DM but I would say that it's just something you are able to do with great ease given the maneuver and fighting style
Ref Nets. I allow the superiority dice, not to add damage, but to add to the DC 10 escape attempt to simulate the BM's knowledge of how to restrain the creature best.
ooo, I like that.
This was what I was going to propose to my DM as an alternative to doing damage.
Wow, I love this build. It's very original, up my alley. Maybe this came up earlier, and I apologize if it did, but I think Favored Foe uses concentration, so it doesn't stack with Hunter's Mark.
Right - the intent was to use one or the other, not both :). Glad you enjoyed!
Interesting point about the piercer feat: when you score a critical hit you add an additional weapon damage die to the damage of the attack.
Interesting point about the assassin subclass: all your attacks on a surprised creature are critical hits.
You can see where I'm going here, I'm sure. I'm currently playing a half orc assassin rogue/vengeance paladin who has the piercer feat for his dual wielding rapiers... Let's just say I test the limits of my dice collection!
Also great content, I love your builds and how you make thematic choices around something that's also mechanically strong, it's exactly what I look for in a fun character!
Great synergy! And thanks :)
i played a similar build in the past. great burst build. i just rank with eldritch smite over divine smite and went with 1 rapier. went with warlock as they have an inbuilt advantage generator. i'll share my level 10 theorycrafted version:
2 fighter, 5 daolock, 3 assassin
half-orc: piercer
dueling
misty visions, thirsting blade, eldritch smite
tactics:
pre-combat: walk around in stealth+misty visions to generate suprise
1st round:
bonus action: spirit shroud
action: 2 auto crit attacks at advantage
action surge: 2 auto crit attacks at advantage + eldritch smite + sneak attack.
lots of dmg dice indeed. spirit shroud gets me an extra 8d8 while eldritch smite is another 8d8 + prone. when i played it and i reach level 12 i went battlemaster 4 so i could do the lunging attack + crusher + brace combo on the opening round for a 5th attack and more maneuvers to add on each attack for more bonus dmg dice for crits.
I love this build. What I'd really like to do, that will likely decrease your damage a bit, but will be fun, is take 3 levels of Dao Genie Warlock (really the patron doesn't matter as much), with Pact of the Chain, Investment of the Chain Master and Voice of the Chain Master. This way I have an invisible flying quasit that can linger near an enemy and I can use a disarming attack, then my invisible familiar can pick up their weapon or arcane focus or component pouch, or whatever they were holding. It then becomes invisible, like the familiar, then they can just fly out of range with it. Then I store it in my Genie vessel with all of the other things I've disarmed from folks. I also have a few utility spells and cantrips from Warlock, and a fun familiar.
You Colby are like Candy. It might make you sick, but there is no way you are going to stop eating it, just like we will keep watching you (an no tummy ache even!)
There is a technicality that can allow you to do damage with a net - the hex or hunter's mark spells. They deal extra damage when you hit with an attack - nothing about requiring the weapon to do damage. It still won't let you add the superiority to damage, since that only increases weapon damage rolls, but in theory it would allow you to add the +10 damage from sharpshooter.
yup. RAW sharpshooting net works. haha.
"Poison is the most commonly resisted damage type of monsters" Wrong sorry. very very wrong.
Its the most common immunity! (140 or so) but to date only 11 (!!!) creatures have resistance to poison making that feature of the poisoner feat kinda useless :/
grab poisoner feat
For the net thing with Quick Toss, I would say it doesnt deal damage because a nets not exactly going to hurt you, and it also says it doesn't deal damage. However, I would rule it that you can add your superiority die to your attack role (possibly would have to be half your superiority die to prevent it from just being an auto-hit) just so you at least get to actually use the die.
Fantastic build! I'd love to see you optimize a Way of the Shadow Monk and Phantom Rogue build. I think the two mesh together so well flavor-wise. The darkness teleporting ability plus sneak attack would be great.
Thanks! Hm... I got very close to that here... ruclips.net/video/W8eviRB3l0A/видео.html
As a forever DM for more than half of my life, I would allow you to apply bonus damage from thrown weapon style, sharpshooter feat, and quick toss maneuver to the DC and HP of the net. I don’t think that the net should do damage, but I do think the player should get some benefit when throwing a weapon with a character focused on thrown weapons.
Hear hear!
29:50 - dueling also works with throwing weapons AND thrown weapon fighting meaning your darts are d4 + modifier + 4 and net with dueling and thrown weapon fighting gives it 4 damage. fun stuff
Dueling only works with melee thrown weapons like daggers. Darts and nets are Ranged weapons.
"lets talk about nets, bay-bee".. it took me a second. Good one
I am nothing if not a teller of Dad jokes!
I know elven accuracy gets a lot of guff but the actual math breaks out to ~+2 over what regular advantage gives you (+5).
The real reason it’s perceived as so broken is the same thing that makes people think stunning strike is good. Using it feels good and when it lands it makes you feel very powerful despite its low impact across all rolls.
People don't take Elven Accuracy for the additionnal precision, they take it because it bumps the crit chance from 9.8% with normal advantage to 14.3%. Not that much in itself, but once stacked with that average +2 to hit, it starts to add up, particularly against high AC.
If you pained for, commissioned or crafted a net that has a razer linked chains, then I'd say it would do D4 (would also work well with the slasher feat movement reduction) and then you could add damage to it.
This reminds me of a character way back in my 2E days. Guy came in with a gnome dart thrower. We laughed at his concept at first... until we realized he had 18/96 strength (yep, old system reference :)) and could pump out more damage than almost the rest of us combined. lol
Back in 2E, the real abuse was giving the optimized dart thrower a Dart of the Hornets Nest +1. When I was getting over 1,000 damage in one round with it, game was super broke.
@@halflbobeef Ha! I don't remember that item.
"I have invented a maneuver!!!!" LOL great job!
I think we needed to see the close-quarter shooter Fighting style from ua. Would have been perfect with this build
Add 2 levels of wizard class you could simply create your poison as needed, and if you’ve seen purple worm poison then now you have an endless supply. Now you’ll be able to take down a dragon in one round of attacks by yourself.
Bottomless flask and boots of haste. Recommended magic items for the builds would be super cool too.
I actually like lizardfolk as a possible race for this build, it can save you a little money with their cunning artisan build and their natural armor will be higher than even studded leather, there would be a slight delay in your feats since i would probably take sharpshooter 4 piercer 6, dex 20 8, but i think there is some thematic hunter stuff in there that could be cool
I had a similar build for a level 13 character but going Crossbow expert at first and then going 3 Assassin Rogue / 3 Gloomstalker Ranger / 5 Mutant Bloodhunter / 2 Fighter. Was pumping out lots of damage with all of those attacks.
Pre fight I'd use the potion that adds 3 to your dex score giving me a 22 and I'd activate the crimson die on my crossbow.
The first round was 6 attacks each doing:
Hand Crossbow + Hunter's Mark + Rite damage + Sharpshooter + Dex Mod
3d6+16
Plus 2d6 from sneak attack once, 1d8 from Dead Ambusher twice, and I had 1 Superiority Die from a fighting style for another 1d6.
In one round it was 21d6+2d8+96. Lots of fun, DM started just putting in 2 big monsters, one for me and one for the rest of the fight.
Or actual play I’d probably want to go with fighter to 11, but damn I love the elements of us build, gloom stalker fighters are just the best.
I feel like the 5ft range of the net refers to using it as a melee weapon attack which would make sense if you look at roman gladiators who used nets, they would hold them in their offhand and whip them at the enemy to tangle them up or catch a shield and they could keep hold of the net to drag the enemy if they were restrained. I think D&D looks at the net like a fishing or casting net.. and that isn't what you'd be using here, it would basically be more like a grid made of rope with hooks or weights tied to it, google search retiarius, they were the net and spear gladiators. Also you could use the net in melee as an 'improvised weapon' to negate the disadvantage and since a net resembles a net the DM may let you keep your proficiency (Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the GM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.) It might make more sense to classify the net as a martial melee weapon with the finesse and thrown quality. Maybe in 5.5?
if you cant or dont want elven accuracy you could take the fighter fighting style feat and have both the thrown and ranged fighting styles at 1st level
Your numbers are a little higher with Gloomstalker and Action surge senergy.
because of the way it’s worded you can make 2x dread ambusher attacks when you action surge because it’s prerequisite is that it triggers on the attack action and you have 2x actions with action surge.
LOVE THIS BUILD THO
Now Doctor C. Lander, i must point out something i considered with Darts and thats resistance to piercing. it would really bone you. Even if you found a magical dart.... or 10, thats still only 10 attacks worth (5 get found after and 5 are broken? can magical ammo break?)
My idea would involve instead of Rogue, taking some levels in Artificer for that sweet sweet returning weapon. You get 1 magical Dart, always. Hell, you could whistle while throwing it and now youre YONDU from Guardians of the Galaxy
Food for thought.
Keep up the awesome work.
PS. I watched the whole battle royal video and caught myself multiple times yelling "THE ADVANTAGE IS CANCELLED OUT BY INVISIBILITY", or "YOU HAVE A SPIRITUAL WEAPON ACTIVE"
:)
If you action surge on the first round of combat. you take the attack action twice so you should double dip on gloomstalker's bonus attack
Just a heads up for the poisoner feat it says you create a number of poison vials equal to your proficiency modifier for that 50gp cost, so at level 11 when you pick this up you make 4 vials of poison per 50 gold you spend, which is a cost of 12.5 gp per vial. Given the low cost of Darts this is actually pretty cheap considering a vial of poison cost from an npc is the recomended cost of 100gp in the equipment listing on dndbeyond, and that poison only adds 1d4 poison damage.
I have a pretty cool Monk Kensei/Fighter BM and he throws darts also his gloves turn the darts into lightening arrows 10 charges its pretty sick I can get more charges but it costs hp essentially I like this needler as he needs no magic items to preform nice job
One of my players is doing a tavern brawler thrown weapon focused fighter. he uses flasks, such as alchemist fire, holy water and vials of acid as his primary weapons (when he's got them on him).
Pretty neat idea, and actually works, though he is still fairly low leveled and doesn't have as many resources to engage in these shenanigans.
Love it!
Great build. I think I would switch the order of elven accuracy and sharpshooter to get the better net range: that disadvantage no matter what would make those first levels brutal and more range is a good thing at levels 1 and 2 when your hp is low. That's not a criticism though; merely my preference. This build is fire.
As a DM, a net has an attack roll, but does not have damage.
Sharpshooter: "If the attack hits, you add +10 to the attack's damage." This is additive to existing damage, which the net does not have.
Thrown Weapon Fighting Style: "...you gain a +2 bonus to the damage roll." This requires a damage roll to be added to, which the net does not have.
Superiority Dice: "...You add the superiority die to the attack’s damage roll..." Again, this requires a preexisting damage roll, which the net does not have.
EDIT: the net does not have a damage ROLL, but *technically* it's listed as inherently dealing 0 damage. I would allow Sharpshooter, since it does not require a roll, and that initial damage state enables the +10 damage from Sharpshooter to be applied.
So just a curious question, the net does 0 bludgeoning damage and you would not give it the bonuses. What about the blowgun that does 1 piercing? As it also does not have a roll.
@@daviddrake5637 i addressed your question already with an edit in my initial comment =)
Just to make sure I'm more clear though, if there is no rolling damage, then there is no damage roll.
I'd rule it this way as well. Nice breakdown.
"if the attack hits, you add +10 to the attacks damage" even if the net didn't list 0 damage, it is technically an attack, so you add it. Simple.
As someone who's been doing a lot of looking into dart throwing builds I knew exactly where you were going with the quick toss net thing :P It's a great trick.. I do however think you've failed to address an important issue for throwing builds, which is magical attacks.. Sadly we can't rely on a single weapon when we're trhowing darts, so it's a huge problem when we encounter enemies with resistance to non magical attacks..
A suggested fix is to take a 2 level artificer dip for the returning weapon infusion
This is how i do it as well. Artificer is the 3rd multiclass instead of rogue. You get a +1 too and more spellcasting.
Or lvl 6 kensei monk, you also get the benefit of a dart as a monk weapon and therefore you can use the 1d6!
@@rafaelb.m.4756 kensei is indeed a good option for starting at higher levels (tier 3) but for lower levels, artificer is the more efficient option.
Inscribe thrown dager or whatever you trow with a glyf of warding with the activation "on hit" boom tons of damage...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a RAW (though tricky) way to make the Net deal damage and benefit from Shapshooter & other damage increases would be to grab Lightning Arrow at Ranger (9) instead of beelining straight to Fighter (11), since the "d0" weapon damage roll would now be a 4d8.
At that point your Favored Foe increases to a d6, and you can start concentrating on your Lightning Arrow hit, so you can just unlearn Hunter's Mark if you want to.
Plus half damage on a miss (not that it happens a lot for this character) and area of effect...
Finally, now you're a Gloom Stalker with two 3rd lvl slots, so have fun with Wisdom save proficiency, Fear, Summon Fey, Ashardalon's Stride, Revivify if you will!
I realize this is super late but I'm pretty sure you'd get an additional attack from dread ambusher because the wording is as a part of the attack action which you take each time you action surge.
Your video titles are now on target! 🎯
Really enjoy the build...i am trying it in a game now...starting at lvl 5 so it should start to get spicy soon.
Question:
Have you considered attaching a spreadsheet to each build - with the progression and primary attack combo - maybe even DPR ?
15:00 "Wake up Hilda! I.. have invented a Maneuver!"
What are you a tank commander?
Another possibility for fun instead of Gloom Stalker is a College of Swords bard. Their Blade Flourish works with a weapon attack (ranged or melee) so you can get some more Manuever-like abilities. You can also pick up Hex with Fey-touched or the new Hexblood lineage. Extra damage and you can debuff Strength to make it harder to get out the net.
It's a burst build. removing gloomstalker would hurt the build alot. gloomstalker and fighter is the core chassis. moreover, keeping the enemy in the net isn't important. it's just an option to generate advantage when he's in daylight (can't use umbral sight).