The Touhou rabbit hole is so massive that even Megaten has its own little tunnel on the side. Also, sweet to see that Eternights got so dang big, though the MC could use a hat or jacket. Advent Crossroad looks neat, purely from the monster designs and the battle system. I'd definitely love to see a second video on this.
Speaking of Undertale, I always joke that deltarune feels like toby fox making a persona game. I mean -being in a spirit world that is heavily influenced by the in-universe real world and can be reflected by mind -the silent protagonist that act goofy and some god inside (also Kris looks similar and even act similar to persona 3 protagonist) -susie being both the best friend and the punk party member( she basically Ryuji) -ralsei being "mascot" helper that having some existential stuff going on -noelle acting very similar to high priestess characters , especially Maki from persona 1
Touhou fangames tend to be pretty easy to get into as long as they don't follow the original Bullet Hell style, specially with how many are inspired by other game series, pokemon, super robot wars, etrian odyssey, mega man, feels like there's a touhou version of everything
"pointing at the screen when bucket girl showed up" Reference to MarshSMT? That ended up being his favorite character he carried with him the whole game, as another non-Touhou fan.
Honestly, I never thought about undertale being inspired by smt, mainly because I never saw the interview where Toby said it was, but even without seeing that, when I think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense
I'M actually developing an SMT inspired game! It's called "Chronicles Meteorfall" and features press turn, a job class system, and a skill equip system similar to Digital Devil Saga. It's currently about 20% done though the actual game page is very unfinished with outdated screenshots.
I’d also like to mention the Fan Game Megami Tensei: Neuroheroine and its sequel. I know that it’s not “inspired” and just directly based on, but I’d like more people to know about it.
I appreciate when people bring attention to more obscure titles like this. I do have to ask, what are all the games you showed off at the beginning of the video? I would appreciate more videos like this in the future, but I'd like to know where you got footage for some of that. The only one I recognized was Legrand Legacy. the rest of that looks interesting, but I can't find anything based on the stuff I saw in the clips. I'm assuming it's stuff that's in early access or not precisely MegaTen enough, but I'd still like to know.
The one at 0:13 is World of Horror. The one at 0:43 is Legrand Legacy. The one at 1:03 is Synthesis. The one at 1:11 is Mato Anomalies. And the one at 1:23 is DemonSchool.
Oddly enough, Touhou 17 could arguably be considered SMT inspired. It's revealed that the animal spirits operate on the rule of the strong preying on the weak and Keiki tried to bring order at the expense of freedom. The side materials explaining that the human spirits' condition aren't much different from how they used to be further emphasizes the point. It seems Artificial Dream noticed some parallels because either Yacchie and Keiki can be fought depending on your dialogue choices as a reference to the allignment.
Experience Inc. makes a lot of oldschool dungeon crawlers that play like old SMT games. No recruitable characters it's more like Etrian Odyssey where you make your own team usually. They're very underrated developers!
I'd certainly be up for more videos like this one. Despite enjoying the aesthetics of the extended SMT series Woodsalt and Advent Crossroad fell completely off of my radar.
I would totally love a part 2! Undertale is the only one I knew from this list, but Eternights did grab my attention, granpa's porn jokes aside.. Great video as always 🩷
Which is funny because Eternights’ focus on comedy and a popstar character often makes it feel like 4 was one of the bigger inspirations for the final game lol
While I'm not CuRRENTLY developing a SMT inspired game jsut yet (got an rpg to finish making first), i do have ideas for games inspired by elements of SMT vagely -a game series about a world of mosnter girls and protagonists who fight alongside them against other monster girls. the SMT inspiration is in using mythology and stories in general as isnpiration for characters, such as dracula as a dragon centaur vampire and lucifer as a red skinned demon woman in a nice suit and santa claus as a skeleton girl of a sort. -I also had this idea for a more heavilly SMT influenced game about what appears to be a mysterious girl wearing a fake moustache who gets the help of various characters in resolving a conspiracy involving people using pages from a cursed book to summon demons.
There's a game called Mind Zero that is inspired by Persona. Gameplay is similar to early entries, but the Persona stand ins, Minds, play a bigger role in combat. The Minds absorb damage for you and have their own unique skills, and then they are not out/defeated you have to fight as a regular human.
I'm not a game developer but I play a lot of D&D. And I really want to make my own SMT inspired campaign, specifically one based on Digital Devil Saga. I've even began making my own fan demons with entries and design notes.
I’ve always been a fan of learning enemy skills in games, so yeah, it’s a pretty solid mechanic. Helped a lot when I finally got my protagonist a decent healing spell
Wow I never even heard of Advent Crossroad. I'll have to check that one out. Seems cool. Otherwise I really liked that Mato Anomalies game. It's still a 6/7 outta 10 game due to some technical issues, but I Ioved it. I know that seems low but I just want people to keep their expectations in check. Eternights was good too I just wish it was longer.
I heavily debated whether or not to include Mato Anomalies in this video (or in a future video) because I've seen SO many articles and tweets and videos of people comparing it to SMT, but I haven't actually seen any posts from someone who worked on it claiming that's where the inspiration came from, so I'm still not sure if it's actually eligible or not.
@strain42 Yea I think Lost Child is in the same situation. I forgot to mention that one. It was so clearly inspired by SMT but I dunno if the developers themselves made a statement about that. I liked Lost Child though it got removed from digital storefronts recently. As for Mato so many reviews compared it to a poor man's Persona 5. Then again so many games get compared to Persona 5 it gets ridiculous. Anyhow Installing Advent Crossroad right now. Looking forward to it.
would you be able to list off the in development/unreleased games whose footage you've used in this video, the isometric SRPG game in particular looks interesting
if i could suggest another game that is coming out that was inspired by magami tensei for another video on this then may i suggest mirrored soul and pry into the void two indie games inspired by magami tensei with mirrored soul coming out at the end of this year there is also they speak from the abyss and zenith but im pretty sure you already know those two oh and there is this game i found called death of a wish which is hack n slash rpg inspired by smt that came out recently and i think the dev for fear and hunger once tweeted how smt was one of the inspirations for the two FH games and there's malice and greed for a rouge-like megami tensei inspired game tho that one is still in early access
Yeah, a lot of those are on my list to talk about in future videos, but I wanted to wait until they’re actually out. Still, a few titles I haven’t heard of here so thanks, I’ll check those out!
Oh hey, I just bought Eternights on sale more recently because the price dropped enough (for Steam / Steam Deck) and the reviews were decent. I'm really interested in giving it a shot at some point.
BTW, I hope you don't mind me asking. But outside of being inspired by SMT. Do you any of these games have any particular easter eggs or just flat-out references to the SMT? I kinda enjoy stuff like that.
I'm not sure if any of these have like specific references or easter eggs to SMT, though I know a few games that do. For example, Skullgirls has several character skins based on Persona characters.
Oh right; didn’t even notice that. As a big fan of the genre I hope the term ‘search action’ catches on more; definitely better encapsulates the appeal than ‘metroidvania’.
Mato Anomalies. Many people compare it to SMT but I didn’t include it in this video because I haven’t found any official sources claiming it was an inspiration. It’s not a bad game though
A friend of ours, Ruben Ronquillo, is working on a game inspired by Devil Summoner called Project Insomnia. You can find his devlogs on his RUclips channel (feel free to tell Ruben that Baron says hi)! If I can be shameless for a moment, I'm also working on a game inspired by classic Megaten games: Rogue PROXI, a Rogue-lite first-person dungeon-crawler RPG where you control a robot to take down a rogue machine. You will be able to hack other robots to aid you on your mission. We would also be happy if you could check us out! -Baron
@@sakuraorihime3374 Not yet; we will announce the launch of a Steam page as soon as we are far enough along in development. In the meantime, you can subscribe to our channel to keep an eye on our development journey! -Baron
The one at 0:13 is World of Horror. The one at 0:43 is Legrand Legacy. The one at 1:03 is Synthesis. The one at 1:11 is Mato Anomalies. And the one at 1:23 is DemonSchool.
I actually think the way woodsalt locks you into your decisions and doesn't explain what matters or not is super cool. Not only does it make your actions have consequences you can't just save scum out of, it doesn't make every dialogue option that matters super obvious, which could lead to a really interesting story.
It’s interesting on your first playthrough to get locked into a route but it’s a nightmare on subsequent playthroughs when you have to repeat scenes and do different stuff only to still wind up in the same place, which just results in more repetition. Some NG+ features would’ve helped a lot.
Ngl Undertale in the end really got me disappointed 😆 I understand why is in the video but for the last 10 years is so oversaturated, under memes, music remixes, FanArts, fanfics, fangames... Urrgh🤦🏻♂️ But I don't know much about the touhou series, maybe I'll take a look later.
I knew that would be the case for some people and that's kinda why I put it at the very end and really didn't even say that much about it. I know Undertale isn't everyone's cup of tea, it's not exactly my favorite either, but it IS an indie game inspired by Megami Tensei and I didn't think I was doing myself or my audience any favors by neglecting it. It's out of the way and I never have to mention it again in any future videos.
@@strain42 sorry, didn't knew you were the only one allowed to say that, next time I will keep my mouth shut instead of boosting the algorithm so your channel can grow
Imagine if Toby played more than a little bit of SMT and realized that the endings where you make friends with the demons aren't usually the best ones. Then maybe UT wouldn't have had such a heavy pacifist bias
UT having a heavy pacifist bias is exactly the type of game it is man. also genocide completely changes the game in multiple ways so thats not even entirely true. if anything, its opposite of SMT since the neutral route is so simple and doesn’t have much. UT is about making friends and using the power of friendship and shit why tf would it be anything different lmao
instead of talking about undertale you should have spent more time talking about the other non-internet-breaking-everybody-and-their-mother-knows games.
But the topic wasn’t “indie games you’ve never heard of” it was indie games inspired by Megami Tensei. Whether you like it or not, it’s one of the biggest examples and I couldn’t NOT talk about it. But now it’s out of the way and I can discuss other games in future videos
@@danielgrezda3339 the moment you play it, you are literally asking the a disaster to happen. underfail used to be a very successful game.. but the fandom it generated destroyed the game's dignity, and pushed away all new players. either you play "copy paste" as the fandom forces you or you simply don't dare to play! even big named gamers dropped the game because of its rancid fandom. underfail's fandom is very similar to the fromsoft fandom .. the latter fandom insists that every single game in the world has to be a hard game, and all casual gamers should quit gaming. i hate all kinds of gatekeepers
@@TrueInvisible You don't need to see online discourse for a game you like. Ignore the gatekeepers and play the game. I knew how bad the danganronppa fandom was before I played the games and I didn't care. Same with the souls games.
You pronounced Touhou perfectly the first time around.
Fantastic.
Oh good
The Touhou rabbit hole is so massive that even Megaten has its own little tunnel on the side. Also, sweet to see that Eternights got so dang big, though the MC could use a hat or jacket. Advent Crossroad looks neat, purely from the monster designs and the battle system. I'd definitely love to see a second video on this.
Yeah. It’s not a rabbit hole that I wanna go down, but I felt good learning a bit for this video. At least enough to understand the game lol
Speaking of Undertale, I always joke that deltarune feels like toby fox making a persona game. I mean
-being in a spirit world that is heavily influenced by the in-universe real world and can be reflected by mind
-the silent protagonist that act goofy and some god inside (also Kris looks similar and even act similar to persona 3 protagonist)
-susie being both the best friend and the punk party member( she basically Ryuji)
-ralsei being "mascot" helper that having some existential stuff going on
-noelle acting very similar to high priestess characters , especially Maki from persona 1
Snow Queen Quest...Snowgrave...hmm
touhou mentioned touhou mentioned touhou mentioned
It sure was
Touhou fangames tend to be pretty easy to get into as long as they don't follow the original Bullet Hell style, specially with how many are inspired by other game series, pokemon, super robot wars, etrian odyssey, mega man, feels like there's a touhou version of everything
"pointing at the screen when bucket girl showed up"
Reference to MarshSMT? That ended up being his favorite character he carried with him the whole game, as another non-Touhou fan.
Nah, was just a reference to her being the first Sleeper that you recruit
Bucket Bozo.
Honestly, I never thought about undertale being inspired by smt, mainly because I never saw the interview where Toby said it was, but even without seeing that, when I think about it, it actually makes a lot of sense
Cool video! I have wanted to give the crossing series a shot once I finished some games in my backlog and it was great to see a review of them!
I still haven’t played much of Core Crossing, but yeah, Advent Crossroad is fun!
I'M actually developing an SMT inspired game! It's called "Chronicles Meteorfall" and features press turn, a job class system, and a skill equip system similar to Digital Devil Saga. It's currently about 20% done though the actual game page is very unfinished with outdated screenshots.
That sounds like a pretty cool game, looking foward to it!
Meiling and Yuugi huh, I too like buff women.
Funny how this came across my feed as I'm writing my own SMT/Persona inspired game, if only I knew how to code
I’d also like to mention the Fan Game Megami Tensei: Neuroheroine and its sequel.
I know that it’s not “inspired” and just directly based on, but I’d like more people to know about it.
I appreciate when people bring attention to more obscure titles like this. I do have to ask, what are all the games you showed off at the beginning of the video? I would appreciate more videos like this in the future, but I'd like to know where you got footage for some of that. The only one I recognized was Legrand Legacy. the rest of that looks interesting, but I can't find anything based on the stuff I saw in the clips. I'm assuming it's stuff that's in early access or not precisely MegaTen enough, but I'd still like to know.
The one at 0:13 is World of Horror. The one at 0:43 is Legrand Legacy. The one at 1:03 is Synthesis. The one at 1:11 is Mato Anomalies. And the one at 1:23 is DemonSchool.
The one at 0:13 name is World of Horror. World of Darkness is a series of tabletop RPGs (That I enjoy the lore of)
@@strain42 Thank you! I'm going to check those out. Looking forward to your next video like this.
@@Fpkfor You're right. Fixed it. Sorry. I was really sleepy when I wrote that lol
Thanks for making this! Definitely gonna give Eternights a go!
Have fun!
Oddly enough, Touhou 17 could arguably be considered SMT inspired. It's revealed that the animal spirits operate on the rule of the strong preying on the weak and Keiki tried to bring order at the expense of freedom. The side materials explaining that the human spirits' condition aren't much different from how they used to be further emphasizes the point.
It seems Artificial Dream noticed some parallels because either Yacchie and Keiki can be fought depending on your dialogue choices as a reference to the allignment.
I think it may be just a coincidence but again, our Alice is specifically inspired in the SMT one so it might be true
CoLA's newest chapter has Sumireko try to summon Youkai from the "Expanse" iirc using computers.
So more SMT references there too.
And the dream in Arcadia is a reference to SMT II where Arcadia residents are in a dream world of it.
A game I've been following is "Bloomtown: A Different Story"
I've been watching that one too. Seems like it'll be up my alley!
Definitely more videos like this! This was very informative.
Experience Inc. makes a lot of oldschool dungeon crawlers that play like old SMT games. No recruitable characters it's more like Etrian Odyssey where you make your own team usually. They're very underrated developers!
I will DEFINITELY check them out! Thank you! Also while you’re here, I do so appreciate the work that you do!
I'd certainly be up for more videos like this one. Despite enjoying the aesthetics of the extended SMT series Woodsalt and Advent Crossroad fell completely off of my radar.
I would totally love a part 2! Undertale is the only one I knew from this list, but Eternights did grab my attention, granpa's porn jokes aside.. Great video as always 🩷
Appreciate it! I’ve got plenty of other games written down so a part two can definitely be in the works!
"Inspired by Persona 3 and Persona 5 and not Persona 4" sounds like a good inspiration pool to me XD
Which is funny because Eternights’ focus on comedy and a popstar character often makes it feel like 4 was one of the bigger inspirations for the final game lol
While I'm not CuRRENTLY developing a SMT inspired game jsut yet (got an rpg to finish making first), i do have ideas for games inspired by elements of SMT vagely
-a game series about a world of mosnter girls and protagonists who fight alongside them against other monster girls. the SMT inspiration is in using mythology and stories in general as isnpiration for characters, such as dracula as a dragon centaur vampire and lucifer as a red skinned demon woman in a nice suit and santa claus as a skeleton girl of a sort.
-I also had this idea for a more heavilly SMT influenced game about what appears to be a mysterious girl wearing a fake moustache who gets the help of various characters in resolving a conspiracy involving people using pages from a cursed book to summon demons.
Interesting
There's a game called Mind Zero that is inspired by Persona. Gameplay is similar to early entries, but the Persona stand ins, Minds, play a bigger role in combat.
The Minds absorb damage for you and have their own unique skills, and then they are not out/defeated you have to fight as a regular human.
I'm not a game developer but I play a lot of D&D. And I really want to make my own SMT inspired campaign, specifically one based on Digital Devil Saga. I've even began making my own fan demons with entries and design notes.
I'll have to check some o these out sometime
I recommend any of them to a degree, but I’ll admit Advent Crossroad really stuck with me. A truly pleasant surprise
The scan mechanic from advent crossroads reminds me a lot of using the watch command in breath of fire 3 to learn enemy skills, nice
I’ve always been a fan of learning enemy skills in games, so yeah, it’s a pretty solid mechanic. Helped a lot when I finally got my protagonist a decent healing spell
You’re missing yakuza like a dragon
I never been apart of anything tohou apart from talking with friends but i think thate a really cool fangame and honestly i would totally play it too
It’s a good time!
Wow I never even heard of Advent Crossroad. I'll have to check that one out. Seems cool. Otherwise I really liked that Mato Anomalies game. It's still a 6/7 outta 10 game due to some technical issues, but I Ioved it. I know that seems low but I just want people to keep their expectations in check.
Eternights was good too I just wish it was longer.
I heavily debated whether or not to include Mato Anomalies in this video (or in a future video) because I've seen SO many articles and tweets and videos of people comparing it to SMT, but I haven't actually seen any posts from someone who worked on it claiming that's where the inspiration came from, so I'm still not sure if it's actually eligible or not.
@strain42 Yea I think Lost Child is in the same situation. I forgot to mention that one. It was so clearly inspired by SMT but I dunno if the developers themselves made a statement about that. I liked Lost Child though it got removed from digital storefronts recently.
As for Mato so many reviews compared it to a poor man's Persona 5. Then again so many games get compared to Persona 5 it gets ridiculous. Anyhow Installing Advent Crossroad right now. Looking forward to it.
would you be able to list off the in development/unreleased games whose footage you've used in this video, the isometric SRPG game in particular looks interesting
if i could suggest another game that is coming out that was inspired by magami tensei for another video on this then may i suggest mirrored soul and pry into the void two indie games inspired by magami tensei with mirrored soul coming out at the end of this year
there is also they speak from the abyss and zenith but im pretty sure you already know those two
oh and there is this game i found called death of a wish which is hack n slash rpg inspired by smt that came out recently and i think the dev for fear and hunger once tweeted how smt was one of the inspirations for the two FH games
and there's malice and greed for a rouge-like megami tensei inspired game tho that one is still in early access
Yeah, a lot of those are on my list to talk about in future videos, but I wanted to wait until they’re actually out. Still, a few titles I haven’t heard of here so thanks, I’ll check those out!
Oh hey, I just bought Eternights on sale more recently because the price dropped enough (for Steam / Steam Deck) and the reviews were decent. I'm really interested in giving it a shot at some point.
Eternights Overflow HUH
I was trying to think of a pharmaceutical term that sounded weirdly sexual XD
Undertale......fuck that game is my jam. I love it to death. It's one of my all time favorite games. I am enjoying Deltarune too.
BTW, I hope you don't mind me asking. But outside of being inspired by SMT. Do you any of these games have any particular easter eggs or just flat-out references to the SMT? I kinda enjoy stuff like that.
I'm not sure if any of these have like specific references or easter eggs to SMT, though I know a few games that do. For example, Skullgirls has several character skins based on Persona characters.
It's so refreshing hearing a RUclipsr call it "search action" and not the m-word.
Oh I hate that word and avoid saying it whenever I can. I don’t particularly love “search action” either, but it’s leagues better
Ngl though, I had no idea what this comment meant until I seen footage, so maybe it'll take a while before something other than the m word to catch on
Oh right; didn’t even notice that. As a big fan of the genre I hope the term ‘search action’ catches on more; definitely better encapsulates the appeal than ‘metroidvania’.
Yes that word is to restrictive for it's own good.
Not like this alternative is any better
What game(s) is featured at 1:10-1:22? Thanks
Mato Anomalies. Many people compare it to SMT but I didn’t include it in this video because I haven’t found any official sources claiming it was an inspiration. It’s not a bad game though
@@strain42 Cool I’ll check it out. Trying out PS5 trial for Eternights. P.S. I subscribed! Love your demon video content
We dont talk about Undertale here
*wiggles violently
I’m pretty sure I’m the one who decides what is or isn’t talked about on my channel
@strain42 no "We dont ralk about Bruno" ref anymore then?
A friend of ours, Ruben Ronquillo, is working on a game inspired by Devil Summoner called Project Insomnia. You can find his devlogs on his RUclips channel (feel free to tell Ruben that Baron says hi)!
If I can be shameless for a moment, I'm also working on a game inspired by classic Megaten games: Rogue PROXI, a Rogue-lite first-person dungeon-crawler RPG where you control a robot to take down a rogue machine. You will be able to hack other robots to aid you on your mission. We would also be happy if you could check us out!
-Baron
I’ll be sure to take a look! Thanks for the recommendation!
It’s not a shameless plug when I specifically asked people to do it!
Does the game have a steam page already or nah? o3o
@@sakuraorihime3374 Not yet; we will announce the launch of a Steam page as soon as we are far enough along in development. In the meantime, you can subscribe to our channel to keep an eye on our development journey!
-Baron
@@studiosupernebula Sweet! Thanks for the info!
1:55 Nah, you're pretty much right.
What is the game featured @ 23:00 in the video?
Astromeda. I see it advertised a lot on Twitter
yo can you list the games you showed in the intro but didn’t name?
The one at 0:13 is World of Horror. The one at 0:43 is Legrand Legacy. The one at 1:03 is Synthesis. The one at 1:11 is Mato Anomalies. And the one at 1:23 is DemonSchool.
I actually think the way woodsalt locks you into your decisions and doesn't explain what matters or not is super cool. Not only does it make your actions have consequences you can't just save scum out of, it doesn't make every dialogue option that matters super obvious, which could lead to a really interesting story.
It’s interesting on your first playthrough to get locked into a route but it’s a nightmare on subsequent playthroughs when you have to repeat scenes and do different stuff only to still wind up in the same place, which just results in more repetition. Some NG+ features would’ve helped a lot.
Ngl Undertale in the end really got me disappointed 😆
I understand why is in the video but for the last 10 years is so oversaturated, under memes, music remixes, FanArts, fanfics, fangames... Urrgh🤦🏻♂️
But I don't know much about the touhou series, maybe I'll take a look later.
I knew that would be the case for some people and that's kinda why I put it at the very end and really didn't even say that much about it.
I know Undertale isn't everyone's cup of tea, it's not exactly my favorite either, but it IS an indie game inspired by Megami Tensei and I didn't think I was doing myself or my audience any favors by neglecting it.
It's out of the way and I never have to mention it again in any future videos.
UT doesn't feel like SMT at all tbh, it had SMT as one of its minor inspirations yes but thats about it.
It’s almost as if that’s exactly what I said this video was
@@strain42 sorry, didn't knew you were the only one allowed to say that, next time I will keep my mouth shut instead of boosting the algorithm so your channel can grow
Imagine if Toby played more than a little bit of SMT and realized that the endings where you make friends with the demons aren't usually the best ones. Then maybe UT wouldn't have had such a heavy pacifist bias
UT having a heavy pacifist bias is exactly the type of game it is man. also genocide completely changes the game in multiple ways so thats not even entirely true. if anything, its opposite of SMT since the neutral route is so simple and doesn’t have much.
UT is about making friends and using the power of friendship and shit why tf would it be anything different lmao
instead of talking about undertale you should have spent more time talking about the other non-internet-breaking-everybody-and-their-mother-knows games.
But the topic wasn’t “indie games you’ve never heard of” it was indie games inspired by Megami Tensei. Whether you like it or not, it’s one of the biggest examples and I couldn’t NOT talk about it. But now it’s out of the way and I can discuss other games in future videos
eternights, that's all
underfail is not a megaten - like game at all. however .. it is a DISASTER - like game! after what it did to the fandom.
It's a good game. Don't give a shit about the fandom.
@@danielgrezda3339 the moment you play it, you are literally asking the a disaster to happen.
underfail used to be a very successful game.. but the fandom it generated destroyed the game's dignity, and pushed away all new players.
either you play "copy paste" as the fandom forces you or you simply don't dare to play!
even big named gamers dropped the game because of its rancid fandom.
underfail's fandom is very similar to the fromsoft fandom .. the latter fandom insists that every single game in the world has to be a hard game, and all casual gamers should quit gaming.
i hate all kinds of gatekeepers
@@TrueInvisible You don't need to see online discourse for a game you like. Ignore the gatekeepers and play the game. I knew how bad the danganronppa fandom was before I played the games and I didn't care. Same with the souls games.