@Renn27 when you make a vid about a car with an engine swap..show the engine bay and the car ! Do a voiceover instead of filming you just sitting there
The Audi/Porsche relationship has been around a long time. So this was a natural pairing. And as a previous owner of a 996 C4S and now an Audi allroad, this build checks all the boxes for me.
The guy on a bicycle? Or moto filming the back tire needs a helmet on and maybe think about shadows more. I know this doesn't relate to the above comment, but I couldn't find where to write a new post.
Remember in the Mid 2010s a guy in the UK Audi/Porsche forums bought a cheap Boxster and swapped the 2.7tt engine out of an Allroad into it. Unfortunately a fire caused the car to burn down during testing, but the forum members set up a donation link and helped him rebuild a better version and the car is still kicking about these days. Ever since then I've been obsessed with the idea of swapping the 2.7TT engine into a plethora of different platforms.
I put together a LS 5.7 964 that was 2640 lbs with 415 whp. Medium cam, ported heads and intake. The aircooled 3.6 weighs 535 lbs with the dry sump tank and exhaust, the LS was just under 450 lbs using a meziere electric water pump and shorty headers and no cats, just 3” mufflers. The car turned into a monster and it changed my life. Stock LS is typically not very exciting. Run a rowdy cam a lightweight flywheel and a 5/6 speed. The car would intimidate much faster cars just because of how “wrong” a lopey cammed V8 sounds in a 911 with aggressive wheel fitment and race seats / harnesses. It’s an event strapping the harnesses on and flipping the switches on the switch panel then pushing the start button… They’re lightweight, efficient, small dimensionally, large displacement internally and reliable even when highly tuned. I don’t understand the general disinterest or outright hate for the LS platform…the engines can be built into anything you want at any size and at any power level for a reasonable price. This V6 swap kit seems to cater towards people that are scared off by the LS swap scare tactics. I’ve been saying for a while that there’s a market for these generation cars that suffer from catastrophic engine problems with little that can be done to prevent the issues from happening again. These swap options should be flooding the market and social/community stigma should not scare people off from putting non porsche parts on their cars that have these terrible issues. M96/7, 928 V8’s, 914/924/944/968 all engines in my opinion could be considered open for engine swaps so they can continue to be enjoyed, not stored while insisting certain protocols/rules must be followed. If’s it’s aircooled, leave it. If you car suffers from issues like ims, bore scoring, ancient architecture, bad wiring/connectors, lack of parts availability…why not consider a more modern engine that’s widely available and more reliable especially when tuned to a higher level than stock. I think the LS (Honda, 07k, and maybe this 2.7t) 996/986/997/987 builds are perfectly suited for these chassis and they can be tuned as mild or wild as the owner wants. This V6 looks good, I’ll keep an open mind! P.S. show the dang engine bay
Yeah, true.. I had a non turbo Audi A4 and it was a beast. Got this same c2 Porsche now so this is interesting. Only turbos i drove and were pumped over were a Buick Grand National, then my litte Volvo S40(?) Wagon.. the smallest volvo station wagon. It only had a tiny 1.9turbo but it was wicked as hell lol
They have a website in the link! Also, Porsche bays are notoriously tough to see into, Same with underneath. I've seen this car, it's very clean and weli integrated, the intake and plumbing take up much of the visible range. You'd really have to see any details with the cradle lowered, which they aren't going to do for an introductory vid.
We hear ya! Next video will be on track use. Took almost two years to film, produce, edit, while iterating, developing and balancing life. Blah blah blah. Expect some thrashing content in the spring!
Bonjour à vous deux J'ai fait la même chose il y a 2 ans avec une Carrera 4 de 1999 ça me fait plaisir de voir que ça a été fait par d'autres personnes 👌👍
Lots of 1/4 million mile 2.7s out there running double factory output Often times poor maintenance or it’s absence entirely can be mistaken for a lack in reliability.
Very interesting swap and everything. But the M96 really isn’t that unreliable. IMS issues only affected less than 1% of cars and usually that was at very low mileages. And if you have a 3.4, like the car you guys have there then the dual row IMS bearings were even less likely to fail. Also the 2.7 bi-turbo isn’t known for its reliability itself. They’re known for their turbo failures and it’s not unheard of for the timing belt tensioner to fail too (former Audi mechanic here and proud Porsche 996 owner of 7 years). I think a project like this is very cool to do if your engine has failed or something and you’re looking to do something different, but definitely not something to recommend that lots of people do.
It’s not solely the IMS, severe oil consumption stemming from cylinder scoring is increasingly becoming an issue even in newer 997s. Especially prevalent in colder climate cars.
IMS is relatively easy to upgrade but cylinder scoring is a very real issue and very expensive to fix properly. Not to mention the "d-chunk" and other unlikely but devastating areas of failure.
If you pick up a used 2.7t engine you still have to get a rebuild before doing the swap. Adding the kit plus labor costs I bet you still end up in the $15k-$20k range. You can rebuild your M96/M97, even pick up a 3.8 scorn block (because they are all scorn). Get the block sleeved, new forged race pistons, 3.8 crank and you can have a 4.2liter flat six making close to 400BHP with free flowing exhaust. A sleeved M96/M97 is a fantastic engine and does away with the scoring/D-chunking problem. Park your 911 with the nose up and mid engine Porsche with the nose down so oil doesn't seep into the intermidiate shaft when parked for a week or longer and you don't have the IMSB problem.
A rebuild Porsche engine like this would be $20k minimum, plus labor. So this swap still saves a considerable amount of money for those who need an engine. Maybe the difference could be made up in resale value, if you're concerned about that.
@@DeuceDeuceBravo I worked for a shop in Los Angeles where we did this. A normal m96/m97 rebuild was $12k. Adding sleeving, forged pistons, arp rod bolts and dyno tuning if engine volume increased by more than 200ccm would bring the total to $20k, everything included.
@@dkjens0705Not sure how long ago you worked there but in New England any reputable shop is $20k plus for an EXACT replacement rebuild of your M96/97 back running if your car. Any forged parts, sleeves, ARP hardware, etc, add 50-100% to the hardware cost quick. You wouldn't do that. You'd wait for a Mezger or a Demonspeed, or Flat6 Mezger copy for $10-15k. You are then at $25k+ turnkey after rebuild. You are still sub 350hp. This kit turnkey with them doing 100% labor is $25k for 450hp basic kit with potential for much more, the engine is not made of glass like the M96... they picked this solution for a reason, but of course there are other routes.
@@doublesynchrohelix8613 I worked there 2017 to 2021. I am only familiar with the M86/96/87/97 and original Mezger turbo engines, no copies. Street engines came with a one year 12k miles warranty.
Funny how 20 years ago, people were told to avoid the Audi Allroad and A6 2.7t. Now these cars are dirt cheap and being harvested for parts. Who would have guessed the 2.7t was going to be good for anything? 😄 On a side note, I am old and remember another VAG car was treated the same way; the B3 Passat. These cars were cheap and became rolling parts cars. MK1 fans wanted the 16V engine and cable transmission. MK2/3 fans wanted the OBD1 12V VR6. Now the B3 Passat is rarely seen on the streets.
Would be kind of cost prohibitive considering the investment you'd have at the end vs what it would be worth. I was thinking that too until I did some math, nobody is going to pay you $45k for your swapped Boxster when at the end of the day you would buy a 997, 996TT Tip (and later manual swap), C4S for $35k, etc... There is a stigma with driving a 986/987 no matter how fun they are or how good a vehicle and that affects price.
what a wonderful find on youtube. great work yall. this makes me consider buying a broke one and doing the swap. price tag on the kit actually isn't bad considering a lot of the issues are minimal in comparison to others.
This is awesome, but unfortunately 996’s are going for high $20’s now. Factor that you can get a 996tt for 40-50 and have have a classic and it doesn’t make sense. What would make sense is a 986 swap
Oh my goodness I need to do this, I bought a 2005 996, it has no engine due to the previous owner removed it to have the spun bearing issue sorted, well it ended costing more than the car is worth. Car was sitting for years and he eventually sold it to me. Imma be in contact with you guys shortly.
Considering a have a 1999 996.1 with an areo package and helped my son completely rebuild a donor engine on his B5S4 that makes 400 ft-lbs of torque, I already know both sides of the coin! This would be an awesome swap! We need more info!
My M96 is coming out shortly for what is likely a cracked cylinder head - it also shows bore scoring based on scope. I may be reaching out to @Renn27 myself soon! (PS LOL I know you! :)
I have 270K on my 996 turbo and counting. These engine swaps are something I would even consider. Not spending 20K+ to rebuild one of these motors when there are cheaper options that make the same power and are easier to service.
I love that u have 270k on that engine.. how many did u yourself put on it, and how is it holding up? I agree with u as far as being open to an engine swap on your turbo, and possible ease of access.. my main interest (1 of em i should say) would be weight reduction.
Let's build one with a 4.0 W8! I have one bolted to a porsche transaxle in a FWD passat right now! I made my own custom single mass flywheel so it bolts right up with no spacer/adapter plate so I figure the hardest part will be fabricating exhaust and the front engine mount. It is a very light engine and sounds exotic in a way you have never heard before. Also it is the same size as that v6, maybe smaller.
I wonder how is the weight of the 2.7t compared to the m96. The iron block would have me a bit concerned. The 911 doesn't need any more weight back there lol.
Exactly my question and statement lol Hoping this engine weighs less than an all aluminum LS (which i didnt want in mine, but supposedly weighs 40lbs less than M96)
... and yes / No. The 996 doesnt need any more weight back there lol Less weight should enable it to light up some tires and do a lil easier drifting as well around corners.. forget the widow maker statement.. folks must know how to drive it first.
The other factor is how low and far back the weight is - higher up is problematic. This looks a lot more promising than an LS... they are so (relatively) top heavy and quite long. This appears to fit the factory mounting plate and potentially the stock transmission mounting, which is impressive.
With the expensive cost of rebuilding an M96/97 engine, in the UK specialists can charge £12000+ this is a great option. Is there a version that will work with the Tiptronic box and the 4WD system on my C4S?
Really would have liked to see engine bay shots, been a b5 s4 fan for a long time and would love to put one of my spare motors in a 996. The price for your swap is pretty insane, would love to just buy adapter plates and build my own setup, if you sold a cheaper DIY option people would be a bit more excited to jump on the swap.
That car sounds really good. Car is so clean and that guy is soo calm But looks like hes healing after getting all the headaches resolved lol Wish u guys wouldve hammered it once or twice and maybe lit up the tires. This is appealing also because im assuming that Audi engine is weghing less than the M96 flat 6.. Renegade in LV that does the LS swap (which i never been interested in, unless i had a 968 Porsche or 944).. says the aluminum LS engine weighs 40 lbs less than the M96. If that Audi engine is even much less than that, thats better for a weight balance and and pullin weight out of that heavy rear end. I dread going under my 996 to work on it but do it anyway lol Props to u guys for doin this.. wish u wouldve mentioned to total kit cost but ill go over to your website lol. Thanks.. Nice work
You talk about how expensive the standard motor is to fix and then go on to explain all the custom parts and electronics needed to make the swap work lol. So is it really cheaper? How is the weight distribution different now between iron and aluminum blocks?
Interesting. I loved the power delivery of the 2.7 Biturbo in my B5 RS4 and loved the handling of my 996... This combo should be a winner, but how heavy is the engine compared to the original and how much higher up is that weight?
1.8t, 2.2t, 2.7t, and most 4.2 Audi engines will bolt up to any M96/M97 Porsche trans. Old news. If anyone charges over $10k for this easy swap it better make over 600whp
It can be done, but we want to scale and the 2.7 is more readily available and gas to gas is more stragithforward, diesel isnt for everyone, blah blah blah... We do love tdi's, so maybe one day we'll build one.
It’s very close most of the pattern is identical! The spacer provides a few extra missing mounting holes. Additionally the spacer gives proper clearance for our clutch/flywheel package.
It DOES bolt up although the trans has fewer bolts but enough. And a little work notching the starter area on the trans bellhousing (different location on 2.7t and other Audi engines) These guys exaggerate what’s required so they charge quite a bit for an easy swap. People that don’t know will pay up lol
Can I purchase a motor and send it to you guys to prep it for a build? Meaning can I purchase a new (rebuilt) 2.7t from you. Or purchase one online (one we agree is a good quality engine). Have it shipped to you. Then pay to rebuild/prep engine for this swap? Basically want to purchase Full Integration Kit. Then install kit with my best friend. Think it will be a great project but want make sure the engine is built proof? Or at least as built proof as you can make it. Being that you guys are Jedi masters of the 2.7t. Any help is much appreciated and thank you in advance. Love to see what you guys are doing. Porsche with a Turbo for half the cost.
Hello guys my name is Daryl out from Lincoln Nebraska. I have a 987 Boxster I’m doing this swap with. I have the 2.7t engine here already. It’s a running engine from a allroad that I bought. I think I can figure out engine cradle and stuff like that. I’m just wonder if y’all can help me with the Ecu stuff. Thank you for your time. Sad that my Boxster blew at 40k miles😭 any advice will help!
Show the engine in the bay! You’ve literally got the car up on a lift behind you. But no, I’ve gotta look at your silly faces instead. 😂
Many still photos on the Instagram @renn2.7
@Renn27 when you make a vid about a car with an engine swap..show the engine bay and the car ! Do a voiceover instead of filming you just sitting there
@@atw196 it’s like every RUclipsr with an iPhone thinks they’re Jeremy Clarkson and James May sitting on a couch and going on. 👍
@@tuul75 hahahaha yess ,only Clarkson can do that and make it enjoyable !
@@atw196 THANK YOU! NO ONE is here to watch a 10 min video on the owner
ive never seen 2 dudes talk about cars with as much enthusiasm and passion as these 2.
The Audi/Porsche relationship has been around a long time. So this was a natural pairing. And as a previous owner of a 996 C4S and now an Audi allroad, this build checks all the boxes for me.
The guy on a bicycle? Or moto filming the back tire needs a helmet on and maybe think about shadows more. I know this doesn't relate to the above comment, but I couldn't find where to write a new post.
@@davidlafranchise4782 I think you're in the entire wrong website bruv...
Don't know if I'll ever be able to afford a 911, but if I could, this makes so much sense. Such a logical swap.
These wheels though 🤤They improve 996 aesthetics by a mile👌
at least 10 miles lol
RUF or at least in style of. Lovely
Remember in the Mid 2010s a guy in the UK Audi/Porsche forums bought a cheap Boxster and swapped the 2.7tt engine out of an Allroad into it. Unfortunately a fire caused the car to burn down during testing, but the forum members set up a donation link and helped him rebuild a better version and the car is still kicking about these days. Ever since then I've been obsessed with the idea of swapping the 2.7TT engine into a plethora of different platforms.
Only they're using a single T platform which eliminates most of the issues you've read about.
This chap has built many more since the fire. Google “Escy Pistonheads” and you will find his current build blog.
Very inspiring work.
Now I feel more comfortable with a father son project on a 996. Thanks!
Really great solution, guys. If my M96 ever takes a dump I'll take a hard look at this. Looks like a great approach!
I put together a LS 5.7 964 that was 2640 lbs with 415 whp. Medium cam, ported heads and intake. The aircooled 3.6 weighs 535 lbs with the dry sump tank and exhaust, the LS was just under 450 lbs using a meziere electric water pump and shorty headers and no cats, just 3” mufflers. The car turned into a monster and it changed my life. Stock LS is typically not very exciting. Run a rowdy cam a lightweight flywheel and a 5/6 speed. The car would intimidate much faster cars just because of how “wrong” a lopey cammed V8 sounds in a 911 with aggressive wheel fitment and race seats / harnesses. It’s an event strapping the harnesses on and flipping the switches on the switch panel then pushing the start button… They’re lightweight, efficient, small dimensionally, large displacement internally and reliable even when highly tuned. I don’t understand the general disinterest or outright hate for the LS platform…the engines can be built into anything you want at any size and at any power level for a reasonable price.
This V6 swap kit seems to cater towards people that are scared off by the LS swap scare tactics. I’ve been saying for a while that there’s a market for these generation cars that suffer from catastrophic engine problems with little that can be done to prevent the issues from happening again. These swap options should be flooding the market and social/community stigma should not scare people off from putting non porsche parts on their cars that have these terrible issues.
M96/7, 928 V8’s, 914/924/944/968 all engines in my opinion could be considered open for engine swaps so they can continue to be enjoyed, not stored while insisting certain protocols/rules must be followed. If’s it’s aircooled, leave it. If you car suffers from issues like ims, bore scoring, ancient architecture, bad wiring/connectors, lack of parts availability…why not consider a more modern engine that’s widely available and more reliable especially when tuned to a higher level than stock. I think the LS (Honda, 07k, and maybe this 2.7t) 996/986/997/987 builds are perfectly suited for these chassis and they can be tuned as mild or wild as the owner wants.
This V6 looks good, I’ll keep an open mind!
P.S. show the dang engine bay
Hear that! More pics of bay on the Instagram @renn2.7
I wonder if you can throw in the 5cyl 2.5 from the audi rs3's in a 997...that would be pretty sweet.
transverse vs longitudinal
Oh man I’d love to drive this thing! Two of my favorite things put together! Porsche 996 and the Audi 2.7t
Yeah, true.. I had a non turbo Audi A4 and it was a beast.
Got this same c2 Porsche now so this is interesting.
Only turbos i drove and were pumped over were a Buick Grand National, then my litte Volvo S40(?) Wagon.. the smallest volvo station wagon. It only had a tiny 1.9turbo but it was wicked as hell lol
Technical details like the shot of the engine.
That was like watching a film at the cinema when the reel breaks.
Great work!
Be great to see some footage / clips of everything inside/underside.
Thanks for sharing! 👍
Agreed, more footage of how it integrates. Love this swap!
They have a website in the link! Also, Porsche bays are notoriously tough to see into, Same with underneath. I've seen this car, it's very clean and weli integrated, the intake and plumbing take up much of the visible range. You'd really have to see any details with the cradle lowered, which they aren't going to do for an introductory vid.
So cool. Love seeing cool swaps like this.
👆😎
Awesome video, would have loved to see rips in it (within a controlled environment... ofcourse :) )
We hear ya! Next video will be on track use.
Took almost two years to film, produce, edit, while iterating, developing and balancing life. Blah blah blah.
Expect some thrashing content in the spring!
@@renn27Great news! I look forward to it, hopefully my 2.7 build catches traction by then as well :D, Keep it up!
Such a cool idea.. Glad to see you guys are out there doing this sort of thing, and solving some problems along the way.
This is a really awesome solution
Great to see a Mass turner near by. Nice work fellas
Hi guys. I rode in Carltons S4 and was very impressed with the way it threw me back in the passenger seat.
I concur, was the best ride I've taken in many years. What a rush!
Bonjour à vous deux
J'ai fait la même chose il y a 2 ans avec une Carrera 4 de 1999 ça me fait plaisir de voir que ça a été fait par d'autres personnes 👌👍
That's awesome, we want more 2.7-911's!
Yes, did you end up selling that car?
@@KMHTDI non , je roule encore avec.
Wow, I think the Audi 2.7tt is one of the few engines that may be even less reliable than the M96/M97.
Lots of 1/4 million mile 2.7s out there running double factory output
Often times poor maintenance or it’s absence entirely can be mistaken for a lack in reliability.
New goals just set forth, this is awesome
Very interesting swap and everything. But the M96 really isn’t that unreliable. IMS issues only affected less than 1% of cars and usually that was at very low mileages. And if you have a 3.4, like the car you guys have there then the dual row IMS bearings were even less likely to fail. Also the 2.7 bi-turbo isn’t known for its reliability itself. They’re known for their turbo failures and it’s not unheard of for the timing belt tensioner to fail too (former Audi mechanic here and proud Porsche 996 owner of 7 years).
I think a project like this is very cool to do if your engine has failed or something and you’re looking to do something different, but definitely not something to recommend that lots of people do.
It’s not solely the IMS, severe oil consumption stemming from cylinder scoring is increasingly becoming an issue even in newer 997s. Especially prevalent in colder climate cars.
IMS is relatively easy to upgrade but cylinder scoring is a very real issue and very expensive to fix properly. Not to mention the "d-chunk" and other unlikely but devastating areas of failure.
If you pick up a used 2.7t engine you still have to get a rebuild before doing the swap. Adding the kit plus labor costs I bet you still end up in the $15k-$20k range. You can rebuild your M96/M97, even pick up a 3.8 scorn block (because they are all scorn). Get the block sleeved, new forged race pistons, 3.8 crank and you can have a 4.2liter flat six making close to 400BHP with free flowing exhaust. A sleeved M96/M97 is a fantastic engine and does away with the scoring/D-chunking problem. Park your 911 with the nose up and mid engine Porsche with the nose down so oil doesn't seep into the intermidiate shaft when parked for a week or longer and you don't have the IMSB problem.
A rebuild Porsche engine like this would be $20k minimum, plus labor. So this swap still saves a considerable amount of money for those who need an engine. Maybe the difference could be made up in resale value, if you're concerned about that.
@@DeuceDeuceBravo I worked for a shop in Los Angeles where we did this. A normal m96/m97 rebuild was $12k. Adding sleeving, forged pistons, arp rod bolts and dyno tuning if engine volume increased by more than 200ccm would bring the total to $20k, everything included.
@@dkjens0705 That's still $9000 or so more than this swap and less power potential.
@@dkjens0705Not sure how long ago you worked there but in New England any reputable shop is $20k plus for an EXACT replacement rebuild of your M96/97 back running if your car. Any forged parts, sleeves, ARP hardware, etc, add 50-100% to the hardware cost quick. You wouldn't do that. You'd wait for a Mezger or a Demonspeed, or Flat6 Mezger copy for $10-15k. You are then at $25k+ turnkey after rebuild. You are still sub 350hp. This kit turnkey with them doing 100% labor is $25k for 450hp basic kit with potential for much more, the engine is not made of glass like the M96... they picked this solution for a reason, but of course there are other routes.
@@doublesynchrohelix8613 I worked there 2017 to 2021. I am only familiar with the M86/96/87/97 and original Mezger turbo engines, no copies. Street engines came with a one year 12k miles warranty.
It's almost summer where is the romp video?
Soon.
cool idea, would love to see it when it's complete
Funny how 20 years ago, people were told to avoid the Audi Allroad and A6 2.7t. Now these cars are dirt cheap and being harvested for parts. Who would have guessed the 2.7t was going to be good for anything? 😄
On a side note, I am old and remember another VAG car was treated the same way; the B3 Passat. These cars were cheap and became rolling parts cars. MK1 fans wanted the 16V engine and cable transmission. MK2/3 fans wanted the OBD1 12V VR6. Now the B3 Passat is rarely seen on the streets.
Great job guys . Maybe bring this over to the boxter
Would be kind of cost prohibitive considering the investment you'd have at the end vs what it would be worth. I was thinking that too until I did some math, nobody is going to pay you $45k for your swapped Boxster when at the end of the day you would buy a 997, 996TT Tip (and later manual swap), C4S for $35k, etc... There is a stigma with driving a 986/987 no matter how fun they are or how good a vehicle and that affects price.
Do you have/are you working on a similar swap for 986 boxsters?
Right? Here's hoping this is in the pipeline
997 GTS with a B5 RS4 block would be crazy with TTE1200 turbos, dual fueling kit and sequential gearbox on E85
900WHP
what a wonderful find on youtube. great work yall. this makes me consider buying a broke one and doing the swap. price tag on the kit actually isn't bad considering a lot of the issues are minimal in comparison to others.
The probability of this swap makes the less desirable Carera's, Carera twos and fours look more appealing.
This is awesome, but unfortunately 996’s are going for high $20’s now. Factor that you can get a 996tt for 40-50 and have have a classic and it doesn’t make sense. What would make sense is a 986 swap
The Sound is really great👍😄
Indeed!
This swap is crazy, but it makes sense and I love it!
It’s a simple swap
New dream project unlocked.
Oh my goodness I need to do this, I bought a 2005 996, it has no engine due to the previous owner removed it to have the spun bearing issue sorted, well it ended costing more than the car is worth. Car was sitting for years and he eventually sold it to me. Imma be in contact with you guys shortly.
@@namtech425 LFG!!!
what a great idea ,,, such an obvious choice , and well done on the electronics
With a beard like that, I'm buying
😂
And it still sounds like a Porsche!
Updates??
Outstanding solution! Congrats.
Considering a have a 1999 996.1 with an areo package and helped my son completely rebuild a donor engine on his B5S4 that makes 400 ft-lbs of torque, I already know both sides of the coin! This would be an awesome swap! We need more info!
Renn27.com
Or email us sales@renn27.com
My M96 is coming out shortly for what is likely a cracked cylinder head - it also shows bore scoring based on scope. I may be reaching out to @Renn27 myself soon!
(PS LOL I know you! :)
you should swap a 2.2t 5 cylinder into a 911
I have 270K on my 996 turbo and counting. These engine swaps are something I would even consider. Not spending 20K+ to rebuild one of these motors when there are cheaper options that make the same power and are easier to service.
I love that u have 270k on that engine.. how many did u yourself put on it, and how is it holding up?
I agree with u as far as being open to an engine swap on your turbo, and possible ease of access.. my main interest (1 of em i should say) would be weight reduction.
Getting rid of the mezger engine is nuts.
This Carlton guy looks like the caddy from happy gilmore
Comment of the Year!🏆
Legends!!! Thanks for this!!!
Great work. Very impressed with the logical approach.
So cool! Thanks for the information!
I have a 996 with a........ blown engine. Lol
Let's build one with a 4.0 W8! I have one bolted to a porsche transaxle in a FWD passat right now! I made my own custom single mass flywheel so it bolts right up with no spacer/adapter plate so I figure the hardest part will be fabricating exhaust and the front engine mount. It is a very light engine and sounds exotic in a way you have never heard before. Also it is the same size as that v6, maybe smaller.
SWEET car! Dude on the left seems massively disinterested in this video.
I wonder how is the weight of the 2.7t compared to the m96. The iron block would have me a bit concerned. The 911 doesn't need any more weight back there lol.
Exactly my question and statement lol
Hoping this engine weighs less than an all aluminum LS (which i didnt want in mine, but supposedly weighs 40lbs less than M96)
... and yes / No. The 996 doesnt need any more weight back there lol
Less weight should enable it to light up some tires and do a lil easier drifting as well around corners.. forget the widow maker statement.. folks must know how to drive it first.
The other factor is how low and far back the weight is - higher up is problematic. This looks a lot more promising than an LS... they are so (relatively) top heavy and quite long. This appears to fit the factory mounting plate and potentially the stock transmission mounting, which is impressive.
With the expensive cost of rebuilding an M96/97 engine, in the UK specialists can charge £12000+ this is a great option. Is there a version that will work with the Tiptronic box and the 4WD system on my C4S?
Summer is almost over, waiting for that romp video.
We are working on it 🔨🔨🔨🔨🔨. Wearing a lot of hats this year ;)
I love these unconventional engine swaps. Did it make the car better? I don't know but it's just cool.
Great work guys. Ready to see more.
well, now I have to go find pictures of the swap. I had an A6 and A6 allroad w/ that engine and 6-speed manual back in the day.
Really would have liked to see engine bay shots, been a b5 s4 fan for a long time and would love to put one of my spare motors in a 996. The price for your swap is pretty insane, would love to just buy adapter plates and build my own setup, if you sold a cheaper DIY option people would be a bit more excited to jump on the swap.
We sell the pieces a la carte as well, then you can fab your own turbo kit!
Love those rims on this car!!! I hope that that 2.7T is modified for more power!! Would be a shame to keep it standard!!! More horsepower baby!!!!
Seriously tho. I need this.
You guys working on Boxter setup also?
Soon we will have 986/987 kit
That car sounds really good. Car is so clean and that guy is soo calm
But looks like hes healing after getting all the headaches resolved lol
Wish u guys wouldve hammered it once or twice and maybe lit up the tires.
This is appealing also because im assuming that Audi engine is weghing less than the M96 flat 6.. Renegade in LV that does the LS swap (which i never been interested in, unless i had a 968 Porsche or 944).. says the aluminum LS engine weighs 40 lbs less than the M96.
If that Audi engine is even much less than that, thats better for a weight balance and and pullin weight out of that heavy rear end. I dread going under my 996 to work on it but do it anyway lol
Props to u guys for doin this.. wish u wouldve mentioned to total kit cost but ill go over to your website lol. Thanks.. Nice work
Beautiful simplicity, love it!
Been dying to do this swap for years now. If I could ever get my hands on a cheap Porsche.
You talk about how expensive the standard motor is to fix and then go on to explain all the custom parts and electronics needed to make the swap work lol. So is it really cheaper? How is the weight distribution different now between iron and aluminum blocks?
Hey! Thanks for the video - this is such a cool swap - I hadnt heard about it before.
I’m almost sold I would love to see a video of theirs thing ripping on a track
Soon
Interesting.
I loved the power delivery of the 2.7 Biturbo in my B5 RS4 and loved the handling of my 996... This combo should be a winner, but how heavy is the engine compared to the original and how much higher up is that weight?
2.7 weighs less, and the center of mass is same if not lower than M96. Its an iron block, with aluminum heads, and turbo down low.
Ok so the car is behind you. You speak of the engineswap but no frames of the engine?
This was definitely a teaser! Can’t wait to see more! Good work 🎉
Are you guys planning to make a kit for a 987 Cayman?
Yes, planning to
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Great. I am planning to LS swap my 987 Cayman, but, this 2.7L Audi seems a pretty good option 👍
Renn27...In fact the Audi V8 is a direct bolt on to the Porsche trans with on need for an adaptor...and more power...
1.8t, 2.2t, 2.7t, and most 4.2 Audi engines will bolt up to any M96/M97 Porsche trans.
Old news.
If anyone charges over $10k for this easy swap it better make over 600whp
More info please! And would this work in a boxster?
986/987 in the roadmap
Turbo kits already available for the 3.2 l Boxster S
Are you arguing a s4 engine is more reliable than a 996 engine? 🤔
for those rolling shots, was the camera guy on skates or skateboard? if u go to 3:53, you'll see what I'm talking about
Looked like he either was on a skateboard or a bicycle with a cam stick..cool shot
He was in a shopping basket, with a rope tied to it.. goh .. lol
Could this application work in a cayman 987?
Yes we plan to continue development for 986/987 and 997
Epic swap, GG!!
which rims and what tires dimension do you have on the car? please.
Make a swap for the boxster and I'll buy it tomorrow
So why not a 3.0 TDI? Also a V6, also turbo, also VW group, probably similar size and weight, same power capability, but double the fuel economy.
It can be done, but we want to scale and the 2.7 is more readily available and gas to gas is more stragithforward, diesel isnt for everyone, blah blah blah... We do love tdi's, so maybe one day we'll build one.
This is sick!
Ever thought about doing a conversion kit for a 997?
We're wrapping one up, it'll be at Wolfsgart next week!
No way! Unfortunately I'll be on vacation that week but I am a from MA.
Amazing work lads love it 😎
This is epic!
What’s the difference in weight between the Porsche engine, and the Audi one is all aluminum and the other has a steel block?
Porsche engine is slightly heavier.
What did you do to your 911 today? Ohh the usual waterpump tbelt combo.
surprised the trans doesn't just bolt up to the 2.7t, the cayman/boxter trans bolts right up to the 2.7t (same bolt pattern on the bellhousing)
It’s very close most of the pattern is identical! The spacer provides a few extra missing mounting holes. Additionally the spacer gives proper clearance for our clutch/flywheel package.
It DOES bolt up although the trans has fewer bolts but enough. And a little work notching the starter area on the trans bellhousing (different location on 2.7t and other Audi engines)
These guys exaggerate what’s required so they charge quite a bit for an easy swap. People that don’t know will pay up lol
Amazing swap, id say the ultimate swap
Nahh.. This is real nice and i love it, but the unltimate swap has got to be another 6 cylinder.. maybe Audi 3.0 v6 with turbo(s)?
@@koollee the b9 s4 3.0t is already turbo
Can I purchase a motor and send it to you guys to prep it for a build?
Meaning can I purchase a new (rebuilt) 2.7t from you. Or purchase one online (one we agree is a good quality engine). Have it shipped to you. Then pay to rebuild/prep engine for this swap?
Basically want to purchase Full Integration Kit. Then install kit with my best friend. Think it will be a great project but want make sure the engine is built proof? Or at least as built proof as you can make it. Being that you guys are Jedi masters of the 2.7t.
Any help is much appreciated and thank you in advance.
Love to see what you guys are doing. Porsche with a Turbo for half the cost.
shoot us an email: sales@renn27.com
@3:54 - I like how you used a skateboard or something to follow the car with the shot angle lol
Blades
Love the wheels, what are they? and very nicely done.
Avant Garde M550
What other models will this fit in/compatible with?
Replacing one unreliable engine with another unreliable engine? Perhaps a VR6 Turbo swap would have been better in every way?
The problems with the original engine aren’t as bad as you make them sound. And almost always an easy fix. Much much cheaper than this option.
IMS breakdown destroys the engine. Cylinder scoring requires major work to resolve and definitely isn't easy. Both are very expensive.
Je l'ai diffusé sur (swap de France) 😉
Any swap kit for the air to water cooled?
I had read the S4 and Allroad TT engine was garbagio.
will there be a kit for a 997.1 or will this kit work with it?
Yes, a separate kit, a lot will carry over. This is our next target!
Very interested in this as well! Currently have a stage 3+ 04 A6 and a tial 605 b5 s4 racecar. This in my 997 would complete the 2.7t garage.
Any plans for cable throttle 996 kit?
Yes, it’s finished! We have 99 on the road now.
Hello guys my name is Daryl out from Lincoln Nebraska. I have a 987 Boxster I’m doing this swap with. I have the 2.7t engine here already. It’s a running engine from a allroad that I bought. I think I can figure out engine cradle and stuff like that. I’m just wonder if y’all can help me with the Ecu stuff. Thank you for your time. Sad that my Boxster blew at 40k miles😭 any advice will help!
By next year we may have some solutions for 986 and 987
Lmk