SRM Origin Road Carbon Power Meter // The Most Expensive Power Meter Tested in the Lama Lab
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- SRM Origin speaks for itself. It's plain, simple, and crazy expensive. Here's my take on the most expensive unit I've ever tested in the Lama Lab. For those impatient to know the result... this unit didn't live up to the "Gold Standard" people believe it to be. SRM have some work ahead of them to keep up with the competition.
Tech Details:
ANT+ Only (no Bluetooth)
+/-1.5% Power Accuracy
Transmits Total Power + Cadence (No L/R, PS, TE, Cycling Dynamics)
Battery: 1400h (non rechargeable), ~100h (rechargable)
24mm or 30mm crank spindle options.
Look Trilobe Crank Length Options: 170, 172.5, 175 all on the same crank.
Price: Somewhere in the stratosphere....
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Would be very interesting to have you test the new Origin PM9. It’s even more expensive, but has Bluetooth, is Magnetless, has power balance, and apparently a relatively well programmed app.
Bo cycling dynamics still.
The tech is a bit dated now and they have their issues, they are correct however in that it is not possible to provide correct L/R data from one sensor that measures total torque.
As an aside I was there when the term "Gold Standard" was first used in relation to SRM, it was at the AIS in the first power meter showdown back in the early 2000's, it has been misused many times since, a story for another time. And congrats on the 100K, great work.
Two years back I bought a used SRM power meter for about 2/5 of its retail price and I never had any issue with it. It is so reliable and accurate that it is probably the only component on my bike that I never worry about. Yes the price is insanely expansive if you buy it new, but SRM will service your power meter whether or not you're the original owner. I own more than one power meters from different brands and my next power meter will still be SRM.
This makes sense as the way to buy SRM. Get it calibrated and it's like a new power metre
it's like they're living 10 years in the past
Things were better back then. 😉👍🏼
maybe even 15.
Like their smart bike lol
I’ve got a couple of these on my bikes and luckily didn’t have to pay for them.....as he says they do the job they are meant to do. The original version of this came with the crank arms made by THM and were made as singular lengths ie just 170 or 172.5 and so you had no problem with air between two metal plates and any chance of play. These are Pro tools and just like the PC8 nothing fancy but give the main info you need. Good, honest and fair video.....👍🏾
You could pay $3500 for 8 or 9 IQ2 power meters and have absolutely nothing😐
Savage. Love it
Oooof
That's of they will ever be released
In a few years when the last remaining die-hard old-timers who swear to SRM (and campa) have quit cycling (dead) SRM will go belly up.
Wonder what's wrong with campagnolo, I thought they're going with the time by releasing a 12 speed electronic groupset.
Muammar Gibran Yes they are out with a 12 speed groupset, but personally I think they wasted the opportunity by not allowing easier gearing or 1x. They don’t seem to manage to keep up with the market trends by clinging to an old macho attitude.
SRM makes the lightest cranksets in the world. Campa made the most stylish ones.
3 years warranty... With that price, in that same time period I can buy an Assioma Duo each year and I have money left to upgrade my cyclecomputer.
Steven Molina but you’ve had a power meter failure, and had to purchase a new one three times. You’re okay with that inconvenience?
Having owned 3 SRM Power Meters (2 road one mtb), and having had issues with two of them. They aren't immune from trouble.
Accuracy your testing proves they are no more accurate than anything else on the market, which mirrors my experience (all three read high).
For the price premium this thing needs to be breaking new ground on the technology front, instead it's stuck in the mid 2000's with Nokia! There is no way anyone should be dropping that coin on an SRM Origin, there are far better products out there.
what do you recommend. I just started doing my research. thanks
He says it many times in the video - reliable, reliable, reliable. I've had one for maybe 4 years now 20k miles never had any bogus readings, dropouts or anything like that. Previously used PowerTap pedals (pain in the ass changing batteries and 1 every 10 rides they drop out and you spend bunch of time trying to repair) and also PowerTap hubs (which were reliable). If you never want to doubt the readings or worry about the thing not pairing then SRM is for you.
Congratulations on 100k subs. They won't ever delete you now. Keep the great work up
Just bought one of the ex team issue ones for about $1800. About 250g lighter than previous powermeter, looks cool as hell which is super important!
Also have a 9000 series SRM, it just works every time without ever needing to think about it, and with the PC8 have never lost any data from a single ride.
Well done, I'm surprised you prefer an accelerometer vs a magnet based cadence measurement. As a big quarq fan, I do appreciate the SRM I own for it's simple reliability (changing batteries isn't that bad, and once you open the unit you appreciate it even more!)
Good and honest review. Thanks GPLama! 👍
If you use srm with a compatible head unit you get 500ms update intervals which makes a big difference when using raw power to pace intervals. Get one off ebay for 350 quid , service it for 90 quid and you're away for less than most other power meter cost. New they are too expensive imo. I like the simplicity - my garmin pedals were buggy as hell wish they didn't have a load of extra features to go wrong ! Good review though every comment was valid
Now you can buy new one,7th generation,some warehouse deals-950€.
Still,way to much for what it is.
P2M ng eco is 490 for spider-thats a good deal
Great work on the 100,000 !!!
Congratulations on the 100k subscribers
SRM looks really good. I have had Stages on my MTBs, but 2 of them failed without guaranty after 16-18 months. Now i use Sigeyi AXO Spider Powermeters on my MTBs and they perform very well. On my Racebike i use Garmin Rally XC200 since 14 Months and XC100 Single on my Gravelbike without any Problems. For sure i never will buy again Crank-Powermeters!
A couple things to take into account. Accelerometers have a small amount of lag in them that effect the numbers that one gets when sprinting or any short explosive effort. On the track, many sprinters use power meters with magnetic based cadence for that reason. From what I understand, a lot of sprinters are still using the wired SRM cranks because of the improved accuracy compared to units with an accelerometer. I have an Origin on each of my road bikes and am planning on putting one on my track bike. I have never compared the two head to head, but the numbers look very similar when comparing data from the same route.
I approved this message, except the wired part from the aesthetic point only. 🤣
Head unit matters too. Sold my Bolt due to this reason. Bolt reports (on the head unit) vs actual data (fit file) do not match. For example, max power shown on Bold head unit is 1500w. But after uploading file to cycling analytics or strava, there is no 1500w. It is always lower (as much as 100-150w difference).
Accelerometer lag is completely swamped by the sampling rate of the head units in general, and is even less significant compared to single magnet based cadence.
Wow. Crazy price. Thanks for review.
SRM still thinks that they are considered the Rolls Royce of power meters.
Nice review. New design is interesting 🙄.
Have you ever looked into how long powermeter last? SRM units are build for on road use. But the units work even after 15 years (keeping in mind that they get serviced every battery change). We had units for 7 years. It just worked. Sold for $600 to another user who still reports no problems after another 3 years. Battery changed, unit serviced twice for $100 (usd) over 10+ years. Price paid: $2250 (usd). Question is how long would pedals or other pm for $500-800 hold up and if for 10years what would be the service cost to keep it up?
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You can find many quarq and power2max 10 years old.
In working condition ofcourse
@@mikicastan Probably true but many quarqs I have sold to clients 10 years ago have broken or are reading very interesting numbers. Quarq started selling in 2008/2009. I had a few quarqs myself which are stripped to the core as they broke. P2M models are not out for 10 years. And most models which were sold in December 2010 are "dead". I used to own one of those.
I have 2 Assioma my oldest is almost 3 yrs old and still rock solid!
So close to 100,000 Subs! 👌
Speaking about SRM, I can only recommend buying a complete wired SRM unit (YES WIRED) on ebay for less than 100usd, specially if you consider that wired ones transmit data when the magnet is reached not only every 1s like all other ANT+ units, so you have more reliable data - that's the most cost effective way to get into power - and probably still the best measurement. I still use a wired one on my daily driver, and have used for 10+ years with no issues. Changing the batteries costs 15usd if you do it at home, and like you mentioned you can calibrate the slope - but you don't need it because it is SRM. I have two other wireless ones, but the older models, they are built like tanks and go on forever, simply as that. Having said it, I would never ever pay that much or recommend a SRM Origin, that's just madness.
I've picked up a few pre-owned SRM units over the years. After servicing they were good workhorses. The catch with the wired head units was no GPS... so no Strava.
@@gplama I guess moving data in general is hassle - you got to open the SRM program, upload it to training peaks wko+ golden cheetah.... maybe the Orign is not that expensive after all :D :D
Low spec but high RRP = Maximum profit - Unfortunately that is the normal strategy for most companies in the modern world.
I bought my Assiomas over a year ago and have not regretted it for a single second. Since the price of reliable power meters has dropped to the $450-800 range, I cannot understand people who keep buying the $$$ power meters.
I hated it up till the point you said the pro's use it. Now I want one!
You forgot the /s 🤣
99.9k subs...So close, come on people lets get Shane to that 100k...
"April Fool's you all! ". " Ah sir, it's only Jan. 14th..". "My bad...."
From a business point of view, I get the price given it's from SRM, but from a functional point of view I think we'd probably all agree with you that it would be a show-stopper from almost anyone else. One thing I _do_ find odd, I would have thought that the people that this would appeal to,would also be the very people that might find most use for some of the cycling dynamics metrics - not in real time, but for post-race analysis and training. Maybe not - does strike me as odd though...
Well, it depends on what you do with it. Don't forget that a power meter is primarily a pacing tool. We can collect all sorts of data but the problem always is whether you can actually use it productively. It's a kind of a tool in search of a use. A solution looking for a problem (driven by a need to differentiate yourself, to offer something extra to your customers). We feel like it could be promising but at this stage, it's more of a research tool. You could talk to teams using Pioneer units that collect all sorts of stuff and this is the sentiment you'd get - they're (at least were) looking into possible uses. If they manage it and get an advantage, others will clue in. Until then, a typical professional needs just the pacing. And don't forget, professionals can afford to pay for proper sports laboratories. So, it's not just a question of usefulness of a measurement, but of continuous measurement in the field vs. a probably higher quality, short term measurement in a laboratory.
@@jobicek Indeed, it depends. That said, a power meter is primarily a pacing tool to the rider in real time. The other functionality is what teams were/are looking at to assess any benefits they may have for training and rider behaviour during races and training - agree it's not cut and dried that there is a obvious benefit that is being exploited currently, but it does appear to be looked at and if you don't have it, you can't evaluate it.
If it were a pacing tool, there are seemingly better tools for significantly less - if you're not paying for it then, as mentioned, the latter is a moot point but a less accurate tool is still an odd choice.
Even to the coach, it's primarily a tool that allows the rider to follow given plan. Which is what I call pacing. Even when it's not really pace (speed) what you're measuring but heart rate or power. It tells me what I'm doing so I can get where I'm supposed to be and avoid going over my limit. And that's why consistency is the king, not trueness of indicated value. 250 W is just a number to my brain.
Sure, they have the meters, so they're looking into what they can do with them. But they only have them because of partnerships/ sponsorships. It's not something they went out and bought with purpose (we want these extra features because we believe we can do something with them). They got a new toy, they might just as well (try to) use it. As I wrote, it's more of a research tool at this stage. And I'm not expecting a pro team to do a lot of research. I imagine they share the data with Pioneer and their people are having a crack at it as well. There is a compromise to be made. You want to get an advantage, but you don't want to compromise training of your top talent.
I won't claim to understand why would anyone buy SRM. From a pro team perspective, sure, if it's for free (or at a masive discount), it's a proven solution. I would take one. But at retail prices, no way. It's like with journalists when they're building a bike for some article. Why not use a THM Clavicula crank with an SRM power meter if they'll just ship it to you for free? I would. I can certainly see the appeal of simplicity to the professional. It does what's needed and doesn't distract you. While the Pioneer feels more like a gadget for geeks. Something you can talk about over beer and show your friends. I don't want to degrade the product, but it's not uncommon to see products for professionals to have fewer features.
@@jobicek Yep, pretty much agree with all of that, certainly from the perspective of the professional team use. I think what i'm trying to say is that teams are actively looking at a seemingly smaller tweaks to training and race monitoring to try and gain an advantage. Having data available allows them to do this, not having it precludes it - e.g. in the case of a modern power meter, some of the advanced metrics may allow you to look at *how* performance degrades with effort and time, sprint analyses and potential checks on physiological factors that may effect injuries. For a non-professional rider most of this is irrelevant, of course, and even in the world team arena it's not clear what is useful yet or not - they all may certainly not be doing a lot of research themselves, although I can imagine at least two teams that might do some - but I feel we are seeing a lot more data *acquisition* now, with a view to examining that, by team or manufacturer or others, and without the data you're not going to be able to look at anything.
Actual accuracy (yet to be determined) aside, one place where I will query the suitability of this in the pro peloton is the complete lack of ATC - as Ray has mentioned elsewhere here this is probably more important for them than anyone, the idea that you will have to regularly stop pedalling for 5 seconds to get offset the power meter to get it to read straight seems odd to me,and, considering the terrain they'll be in and the efforts they'll be making there, a little bizarre. Utterly precise values are not essential like you say, but consistency should be IMO.
I have no doubt in the quality of manufacturing at all, SRM make great kit in general, just not convinced this is actually that good at it's core functionality - but as you say, it's almost certainly good enough for what a team might want for now.
I agree. You can't examine what you don't have. My point was that at this stage, professionals don't really know what to do with it, so they don't demand it and they certainly don't rush out and equip their entire fleet at their own expense. And you can sometimes see professionals running a product from a competitor to their sponsor, with removed branding, of course. Because it's a superior product and they actually believe it gives them an advantage (or removes a disadvantage). As I wrote, it's more of a research tool. It allows you to study. Meaning, it benefits the researchers, not really the riders. That comes at the applied stage. Once coaches know what to do with it, then the riders and teams can demand it. We can imagine the potential, but it remains to be seen whether it materializes.
Yes, TC is, in my view, an important feature. It has to handle changing elevation and weather. I could live with it being 10 % off as long as it reads consistently and can be adjusted so that multiple meters agree. Heck, it could read half or double for all I care. It could measure in hamster power. I could still work with it. :-) Often times, professionals simply use what they're given. I don't know how much it matters to them or to what extent they're even aware of such technicalities. I'm a scientist and an engineer so that's how I approach things. I prefer a total reading power meter but a professional might be just fine with a single sided meter for all I know.
I had that power meter. I ended up selling it after six months. It worked but there was nothing exciting that warranted the price. Although I did recoup most of my money back on resale. I originally bought it for the modularity and being able to put it on any future bike.
That’s weird then, that you bought it in the first place.
This would be nice... for a Chinese 300USD spider based power meter. And those are coming. With Bluetooth etc...
You could get Quarq or Power2Max for under 300 after accounting for the price of the crank set. I think some offers went even under 200. Not sure about current pricing. If you're building a bike from brand new parts, it's a no-brainer. One of the cheapest options to get a power meter, they're brands with decent reputation and they actually measure total power. Sweet. Downside is that the selection is limited as not all options offer such a great value for money. But it shows they could probably go down to something like 100 without much trouble if the volume was there. And that price is almost ridiculous considering the cost of other sports technology. Although, in all fairness, it's not like a power meter is an overly complex device.
I took a gamble and bought this on Aliexpress a few months ago €270 and it works great for me. Just wondered have you ever tested the Sigeyi ?
SIGEYI AXO Spider Power Meter
Auto Zero/Auto Calibration
Accurate and stable
±1.5% accurate
Stable auto zero
Dual data transmission ANT+ BLE
Magnetic rechargeable lithium battery
Real time temperature compensation
200h long time operation
3 key data: Power, Cadence, Left/right power balance
A wide range of Compatibility: for SRAM (ROAD AND MOUNTAIN), ROTOR, Specialized
Compatible with many chainrings: crankset original chainrings, shimano chainrings, oval chainrings
Multiple technical support, ±1.5% accuracy is not just words
Auto zero without any manual operation, no longer to do zero reset by hand
Real-time temperature compensation: Although the temperature suddenly changes, it is still accurate
Data transmit in ANT+ and BLE at the same time, compatible with a variety of head units
Any cons?
@@DiegoRevs I haven't found any cons. However I have no way to test accuracy other than with my Direto X Turbo Trainer, but it it seems to me to be fairly accurate.
@@DiegoRevs the (firmware) support and the quality... and if You will have any problem with it (will be 4 sure :) ) , the shipment cost to China will be a bigger amount, and there is a chance You wont get back ... A Power2Max NGEco knows the same /with more than 10ys experience/ with 2ys EU (or US) warranty from a reliable Germany company. (NG has 5ys warr.) , if You are serious , dont buy others...
@@andraslukoviczki519 Thanks for the feedback, I currently have the Pioneer Dura Ace DualLeg PM.
I stick my Assioma Duo
I happily keep my Quarq then!
Why do you always refer as the SRM reading higher and not the Neo reading lower? A few days ago I commented in another video of yours about the poor accuracy of the Neo when the flywheel speed is a bit higher, and you admitted to the issue. I've been experimenting a bit further and the accuracy of the Neo is very very questionable. Comparing with my Quarq Riken ,when going up a slope of >10% at a very low flywheel speed the Neo reads within 1% of the Quarq, which is very good. On the other hand if I'm riding a 0% slope (virtual flat or descending) the accuracy drops to 5-10% of the Quarq! which I think it's outrageous...So the Neo accuracy
Note that Shane was comparing the SRM with the Neo AND the Assioma Duo. In the charts he was showing, the SRM was higher than the other two, not just the Neo.
@@johnmreinke Sure but he was the first one to admit that the accuracy of the Assioma was questionable due to the crank/pedal interface in that crankset...Anyway this was just to reiterate that the claimed accuracy from the Neo is VERY questionable, from my own experience and a lot of folks complaining about the same issue throughout other internet forums. The Neo is good if you are riding at
After 100s of comparative tests on the Neo, the protocol I use works really well. Including being in the right gear to obtain optimal accuracy from the Neo. It’s not perfect, that’s for sure. It’s a pretty good comparison point when used the right way (within flywheel speeds that produce quality data).
If there was a better trainer to use for this particular task, I’d be using it.
@@gplama Isn't the Elite Drivo II more accurate? At least claimed accuracy...
Phenomenal video....lack luster product with mindblowing price. I've never been in srm's target audience anyways, as I'm not a millionaire... But this completely removes them from any possible consideration I would have given one of their products.
cycling T-Holms
They still have audience.
For some peope SRM is still holly cow
So Quarq around $600, this ~$2K USD. But "superlight". Yah, give me $1400 and Im pretty sure I can find other places to cut weight. SRM needs to go away
I was wondering when you were going to do a review on the SRM power meter. I actually have two Origins, one on each of my two road bikes. Why did I spend so much money? Simple for me. I was using SRM power meters when they were wired only! Several years ago I switched to the Garmin Vector 2 pedals because I wanted additional metrics or at least thought I did. After a year or so of dealing with bugs in the firmware the pedals finally worked and I used them for about 4 years. I tried to use the other metrics but honestly they were not useful to improve my pedaling. If I tried to make a change based on the various metrics I would end up blowing up another part of my stroke. I next moved onto the Vector 3 pedals, or should I say three different pairs of them. They all broke and had to be sent back. I then went through two Stages dual power sided power meters. They had issues with the battery seal and wet weather. So that was over a year and a half process of immense frustration. I purchased a SRM Origins it just works. I realized I did not need any of those metrics because honestly what are you supposed to do with them anyway? The SRM is RELIABLE, consistent and bomb proof. I got the rechargeable battery so I do not need to send it back (that used to be a gigantic hassle). So Lama and I have a different opinion on this.
All valid. The reliability and materials was mentioned. They know how to build a power meter. They just need to move a little faster on features/price/everything else.
@@gplama Your review was excellent as usual. I heard that if a pro wanted an SRM they had to pay for it and that SRM does not sponsor pro teams. Is that true?
@@JBSpine007 So the old saying goes... but SRM now list the pro teams they sponsor on their own website.
@@gplama SRM now has the PM9 Origin with a lot of the missing features you mentioned.
@@RB-xv4si It's unfortunate they're really no longer in most conversations about what power meter people should buy. They really need to work on their PR/marketing.
Temp compensation is coming with the next board apparently. Mine just got freshly calibrated before I racked it haha. If you wanna test that let me know.
They're only a decade behind, why rush
Meh, In 10 years and 3 SRM’s I’ve never been disappointed by their customer service and never had to pay for more than a postage label. All the bells/whistles and analytics that people froth over mean nothing to me, and fuck all people ever use it effectively. My offset never strays anyway.
Thinking about getting the Easton Cinch power meter, since my new bike came with one of their compatible cranksets & I like the benefits of the spindle form factor. Do you have any input on that product? I can't seem any real world reviews other than some new product write-ups.
I’m glad I bought my PowerTap C1 back when the company existed independently of SAris. $280 only, and ticked all these boxes. I just can’t believe the amount of BS cycling companies are dumping on customers these days....
The killer feature is it is a company killer.
I would say they don’t know what they are doing at that price. I know a look crank costs more than any other option, but who would spend that much on a brand name? I wouldn’t worry about ant plus going away. By that time DA 9100 will have been replaced and the guy with this money will have moved on to the newer one.
Absolutely right in all you said. They have to introduce Bluetooth features and reduce price , to make mass marketing sales. The price they are charging means their customers are subsidising the pros.
In terms of overall cost, the price is significantly reduced if one buys the aluminum crank origin. The cost is about 1,700.usd.
Gerald The Trombone Which is still high.
1270€
Bikecomponents de
It is 1000 gr crank
I bought one, and has been a disaster. Decision was based on wanting reliability & accuracy, and the price I got is was only slightly more than I could get a quarq at (in NZ), and most others were out on reliability and back-up in NZ. Out of the box it was in accurate (+/- 20 % out), could not really be without bike, so waited a bit to send back, took over 6 weeks to get it returned. I have it back minus a spacer and lock ring, so still out of action... Main issue is SRM australia are less than useless.
This isn’t the first case I’ve head of an SRM shipping with the incorrect slope.... hmm.
I believe PowerTap C1 crank based PM had lest/right balance in 2015 for even less $ ...
$3.5k I would rather buy another bike (which likely comes with a power meters). Or three pairs of Assioma Duos. Ideally CAAD13 Ultegra and a pair of Assioma Duos comes in under the cost of this unit.
It seems like a bad value for money purchase. Think disappointing is the term.
Also mate giant TCR is high end. Would rip around on a tcr before a dogma any day of the week.
PS.....21 DAYS SINCE A FIT FILE!?!?!?!?!? I'm dying over here on my commutes to work!!!!! I got a fever, and the only prescription is more FIT FILE!!!!!!!
We're switching to a yearly podcast. We'll just talk for 48 hours straight. (kidding... Ray is on his way over to Australia. We'll cram in a few episodes to make up for lost time).
@@gplama lol fair enough. Maybe you guys could just talk for 48 hours about how AMAZING the new IQ2 power meter is. OH, wait............
@@gplama ummmm.... Excuse me Shane, but are we really only worthy of one 20 minute podcast episode since this comment???? Lmao.
@@HolmsOnBikes Yeah.... I have the Beers and Gears event to edit up as a Podcast. We lost the show sponsor so my priorities are with things that pay bills. I'll get to it soon.
@@gplama wtffff....I can't even comprehend owning an outdoors/fitness type business and NOT wanting to get exposure on such an amazing cycling/tech/active lifestyle type podcast. Sorry to hear and DEFINITELY can't blame ya for focusing on the things that are worth your time.
My friend Shane nothing beats the accuracy of srm. It’s the gold standard. They should know what their doing since they been making power meters since 1986.
That was the case 10-15 years ago. They SHOULD know what they're doing, yes.... Their road and MTB pedals indicate they're now just another power meter brand that faces the same issues as everyone else. Not worthy of being held up as the 'gold standard' these days.
hahaha, the SRM is the "NOKIA" of the powermeters. they remained in the past 10years ago (i do not predict a long future for them...). the contenders beated them easily, there are many brands who are making much better (more accurate, with more features, at half or quarter price) powermeters, probably you (and the other uninformed and rich srm customers) dont know this and just read the advertisements on internet :)
When will you do a review on power2max?
As soon as I get my hands (and feet) on one. :)
@@andraslukoviczki519 Nice - Didn't know Zwiftpower had that feature - Thanks!
@@andraslukoviczki519 How did you record both power meters? I used zwift and my Garmin and the power seems so jerky it's impossible to compare
@@raptor7547 with 2 Garmin head units. But it is the same if i compare the Zwift FIT file (Neo) with the Garmin's one (NG), just i always record the Neo's power with a Garmin unit too as a backup.
What was the name of the company...? Was it Nokia or SRM...?
Use a SRM PC8 headunit instead of a Garmin or Wahoo. I don’t know exactly why but you will see small but significant differences in the Fit file.
Such as....?
dad jokes im qualified LOL
Would love to see a video comparison on a single sided v dual sided power meter. With power pedals being so affordable these days the question that loads of people want to know is dual sided worth the extra money to the average rider.
There's not a lot to compare or 'vs' really. If both meters are accurate then it's just a case of accepting Left is Left x2 for total power. Fine if you're 50/50 balanced. Not so ideal if you're not.
@@gplama That's what I wish I had known before I bought the unos but couldn't find any information online. The place where I bought them said you could go into the assioma app and alter the reading so they tracked the same as you indoor trainer (Neo in May case) to allow for pedal imbalance. Great I thought! Until I bought them then realised that people have different pedal imbalances at different powers. Shame there was no video explaining this
Why would you buy this over Power2max?
I'm so freaking happy with my power2max NG eco. It's made in Germany as well, and the Rotor Crankset it comes with is crazy light.
Look at the Hambini video for the Power2max engineering insights.
That product is so irrelevant in today's market it's actually hilarious :-) can you imagine bumping in to someone who actually has one on their bike :-)
Was on a group ride the other week and someone had one. Had for a week and said it was the worst purchase of his life, he got it for the bling and nothing else and now he can't sell it because no one wants to buy it b cause the price tag.
Lol that price is just insane. I will stay at my Assiomas, which are better in everyting :D
I paused your video at 2m 39s as I already made my mind up that this is an utterly rubbish product, WTF are they thinking... anyway you will be pleased to know I watched it all anyway to help with your RUclips status 😀.... go 100k subs 99.9 as I watched this, are you glued to the live counter
Cheers Mike. I hope I can loop back to SRM again this year with something new from them... with a much better story to tell. RE: 100k subs. It's taken so long to get here, it's strange watching it tick over. It's a huge milestone that's for sure. Thanks for being part of it!
@@gplama Their MTB pedal based power meter might be something that'll make them relevant again. For sure it looks promising.
When is the Hunt wheels follow up vid coming Shane? I’m looking to buy some in the next few months
Is SRM the CompuTrainer of power meters? ;-)
Could buy 5 power2max ng eco power meters which I've been using for 2 years without a single problem. No anomalies. No dropped signal. I have acquaintances who buy SRM and I know they're not smoking anything so it sure says something about them!
question shane do you know if you have a leg imbalance at all; only reason i ask is because if your 50/50 then you would never know if certain devices are off or not??
Using the Assioma DUO / Vector 3 / P1 or P2 pedals as the reference power meter to compare others I can determine which devices are accurately reporting or not. Spider based power meters such as this measure both sides at a single point.
I’ll buy it for 100$
will u review the thm next?
It does make you think how much does it really cost them to make ?
Quarq is THE gold standard nowadays. Accurate, competitive pricing, and the best customer service in the industry. I had to send my DFour back for service (probably my fault) recently and ended up receiving a brand new unit. The turnaround was less than a week. 2 day shipping round trip & half day processing time (no exaggeration).
The downside: Quarq has to use sram cranks... GXP... and that DUmB spindle. I know a number of people who decided not to get the quarq for this reason.
nope
I have quarq unit brick because my chain drop.
I did get new one
@@mikicastan but it´s not the gold standard.
Are you gonna talk about adding fit files to the Wahoo so you can save your race warmup?
It’s on the cards.
Honestly, with respects for SRM as they where the 1st for power i think but this is bad..and the COST, crazy...
Hi Shane! Do you have any update to make about favero mtb power meter pedals?
Thanks! Expecting a lot from those!
They’re still working a treat after doing the conversion a few weeks back ruclips.net/video/ybAFIhKahnM/видео.html
I seriously can't imagine who this would be for besides some person who does zero research into a purchase and just buys whatever's most expensive.
There's a massive pull towards what SRM stand/stood for. That being referred to very often as the 'gold standard'. The datasets from many other products on the market indicate they don't hold any exclusivity on this label these days.
Paying for less rotational weight.
1:39 "at this point in time"...anything we should know Shane??
Trying to future proof the video. It's inevitable Shimano will change their cranks... and soon I hope!
Really SRM, WTF. Learned nothing from the pedals. This isn't 2000 when you were a dominant force. Powermeters aren't a luxury item anymore. They're an affordable utility. It's like charging fast fibre prices for dial up internet... and then having to pay for the shitty modem. Really, SRM, WTAF. With Stages & Favero dropping their prices, and others following likely suit in 2020 what were/are they thinking? No accelerometer for a powermeter is an absolute joke and dealbreaker now.
If you have the SRM head unit do you get more features?
Nope. Maybe x2 data in a proprietary format. I’d need to look into this.
The SRM collects data at a higher rate than Garmin or Wahoo. That is why you see so many at the velodrome. If you watch any of the World Cup events, you will see them attached to a it of seats
Power2max NG has 5 year warranty
Such a high price!
No comment.
But.... that... ;)
Any upcoming video on the Tour de Zwift 2020?:)
It's not really on my radar to be honest. It's summer here, the riding is good, and I'm just about to head over to the Tour Down Under for a week.
Having to send the unit in for a recharge means i would be out a bike for that time.
Living in Norway where postal is REALLY slow at times, and given that customs would charge me import tax and handeling fees for this even tho it is a unit that was sent out for repairs, this would not only cost me mucho dollares, but also cost me weeks without a bike.
How about just not buying these?
And why the shit isn't there a standardized system for bike electronics that just work with all systems?
Immagine having your shifters, lights, power and cadence meters and gps all connect to the same app and all of this could be fed to your strava or whatnot.
It could show you everything and all you'd have to do is sync ONE god damned unit.
I demand change!
Do a review on the power2max NG/NG CO
I will if I can get a hold of one.
Power2max NG all the way- SRM will need to adapt or they will disappear like the dinosaurs- I have 2 Type S and one NG and never had any issue with them. I just don´t see any added value to use a SRM Powermeter.
I agree, have had P2M from 2013 working flawlessly. SRM is more accurate though. Accuracy doesn't come cheap
@@rkan2 not true. My p2m NG is 1% accurate. And if you are not a pro accuracy is not the most important thing. As long as they are consistent, that's what you need to train.
$3000AUD. Really? Bling for those who dont ride.
How is power balance a required feature? It still has no real known training usefulness.
It’s a ‘everyone else has it why not’ feature. For the price I’d expect pro level metrics, useful or not. For $500 there’s room to excuse missing features, not at this price point.
Ok, I can buy that.
It's really hard to understand why SRM hasn't added BT and why they haven't ditched the magnets in favor of accelerometers. Given their intransigence on pricing and their refusal to add what are now standard features in other PMs, it almost seems like SRM has let their previous success cloud their judgement. It also seems like they really don't understand or care to understand their competition.
Year before last I bought a brand new PowerTap wheel set with a G3 rear hub for $450 + tax. That G3 hub broadcasts BT and Ant+. I can change my own batteries. SRM power meters do exactly nothing more than my hub does. My G3 claims the same 1.5% accuracy that SRM does for the PM you reviewed.
And my Campagnolo Chorus 12 Spd crankset looks way better than that SRM PM!
For that price with less tech features and 1.5% accuracy compared to assioma duos 1% accuracy... hmmmmm. Favero crushes SRM.
decision made in less than a minute of video.... now that's at least efficient for viewers.
Well, does not look like I am going to buy an SRM anytime soon. I have been very happy with Quarq and the super easy to replace the CR2032 battery that you can easily find in stores. Plus no magnets need to be glued onto your frame.
Wow really SRM?!? Good luck with all those missing features and high price. Even if I were a coach/director for pro teams, I would NOT get this PM. Moving along...
What’s the purpose of the magnet?
Cadence sensor. Cadence (rpm) is needed to calculate power. A magnet/sensor is a little more responsive to start up than an accelerometer... other than that there is no reason a magnet is better. Outlying uses would be track riding (standing starts).
ridiculous...years behind newer companies via features and 6 times the price...go ahead and stick to your stubborn guns SRS and go out of business...smart move...
Accelerometers are not as accurate as a magnet-controlled switch. That's why.
They’re good enough for what most people need. It’s more about the inconvenience than the accuracy.
I know why i choosed Stages!!! xD
Stages Dual L/R?
So sure. You can buy several cheaper power meters but you’ve also had several power meters fail which is always inconvenient and then had to wait whilst you buy another. So hardly an apple for apples comparison. Reliability and stability with SRM is second to none and that is worth something at the cash register!
What’s not apples is what SRM charge for units with lacking feature lists. People defending them will come around when SRM release their next unit.
Isn't part of the reason why it's so expensive that it comes with a crazy expensive carbon crank?
That's part of it, but even standard it's still at least 4x the price of an equivalent power meter from any other brand, but with worse features.
Way too expensive with limited features makes the stages and 4iiii look all the more value for money
Shane, you said it, but then missed the entire point. Pro’s don’t want to ride anything else for one simple reason…when it’s raining, snowing, hailing, 110 or -20, SRM’s just work! It’s the ONLY power meter you can say that about. I run a road race team and have used SRMs for the last nearly 20 years. My first wired power meter still works flawlessly, NO other Powermeter can offer that. I have used most of them, and my team members have pretty much used all of them, and I can tell you there is not a single other power meter that doesn’t break, leak, come unglued, stop calibrating, drop signal etc. the biggest issue I have with your test is that it was done in a static and controlled environment. That’s not where the SRM shines. Go see the differences on your favorite hill climb in the middle of a deluge. I guess if all you do is train indoors, you don’t need an SRM. I would agree with that at least….
It’s a pity SRM doesn’t even come into the conversation these days when people are looking for a power meter. They’re too expensive, and their SPD pedals are simply an embarrassment. And in regard to having a crack about power indoors only… careful… I’ve been out collecting 100s of hours of data outside this summer. I have a LOT of data that shows there are other meters just as worthy, if not more (and cheaper!) than SRM.
Shane, not just outside. Outside in the inclement weather that pros ride in. I do agree that they are no longer part of the conversation as the world of Shimano and disposable bike components have taken over cycling in its entirety. Again, my issue is with longevity and durability. They only do one thing. Although they finally do support Bluetooth. Anyways, I love what you do, I just don’t agree with you about SRM.
How does SRM make money? They give their devices to the pros and consumers don't buy them
DrSLane buys two. They’re in the black for 2019. 🤣
Fantastic 👍. When the EXAKT pedals came out I was so trying to justify them for my 695, just to keep everything LOOK but I couldn't get my head around how difficult those pedals are to adjust and the price. In the end I bought the Duo's and I love them. Thanks in large part to your constant reference to them 😉
just a brand. not good anymore. .... 2k for nothing. really.
Don't say the quality is good anymore. this thing. just don't worth 2k.