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How in the name of Sobek does this not fall under fair use?
@Nat20 Damage you seem to not understand how Historical fiction works also at what point did Olly say that? Right, at none what so ever.
Will do!
(BTW is it wrong to be in love with "Someone's" brain? 😀)
Thatcher: "Society is a social construct."
lol pretty much
Best comment I've read so far
true. The question is : what kind of social construct do we want ?
*vine voice* i sure hope it does!
Thatcher: "We live in a society, Gamers rise up"
Maybe the reason Hbomb never releases any content is because he's busy making cameos literally all over RUclips
I thought that second clip was hbomberguy
HFeatureGuy
VoiceBomberGuy
A friend of mine hates him because another youtuber disected his Darks Souls 2 review and assumed the worst intentions from him. i'm irrationally bothered by that fact
Hbomberguy is the Stan Lee of Lefttube
I work in a hotel. For months the elevator kept breaking and the repair company told management to shut it down and renovate it. The one day an elevator cable snapped and the elevator slowly sank down the shaft. The repair company declared it life threatening and shut it down, but instead of renovating it the management just decided to switch repair companies. Lower level staff only got to know this wen one day the elevator was stuck again and we called the old repair company to get the people out and they told us the story. The elevator is still in use today and all we got was one of our staff was told how to open the elevator in case of emergency. Capitalism is just as capable to cause disaster as any other ideology that puts efficiency over safety.
I never trust any -Ist or -Ism as a rule really.
People are behind these Philosophies and people...
...are flawed.
From a safety perspective this isn't (probably) an issue. As long as the safety equipment is functioning properly your actually more likely to die waiting for an elevator than in it.
@@mrclueuin Only a sith deals in absolutes.
mrclueuin yeah, and your car was designed by people and it's safety regulated by government agencies run by, you guessed it, people. What you're proposing is nothing short of a paranoid view of the world whereby your fellow human is not merely flawed but dangerous *precisely* because they are flawed. Not only is this unhealthy but it only seeks to create a senile and static society. Why change anything if all the proposals for an alternative way of living was conjured up by the mind of a flawed human being? Might as well maintain whatever the fuck we already have because it's the default and the default is never ideological, right?
Capitalism is arguably more likely to cause this. When you frontload the responsibilities of building and maintaining services to corporations, yet incentivize them to do it cheaply, you get cheap stuff. Cheap stuff breaks. It’s not rocket science.
"Whether there's a United Kingdom in 2073 or not, I will be an 80 year old man"
Oh Abi, hon....
💀 dont got to do her like that lol 😭
oof
I was thinking that 😂
Pretty sure her transition was beginning around this time.
I was just reading the live comments and waited for this to pop up, then I noticed and rather looked for it in the actual comment section. 😄
Chernobyl is by far my favourite series about Swiss chocolatiers dealing with a cookie malfunction.
Which they can't go near...
@Aesthetic Decision I thought it was a documentary about oompa loompas.
You mean yellow cake
@Aesthetic Decision
Along with it's sequel _Snowpiercer!_
Who doesn't love Uranium-chip cookies and a tall glass of coolant.
How is one supposed to "take responsibility" when they are systemically denied agency?
Easy, you burn down the system first :-)
We could refuse to participate in those systems. Yes, we might starve to death then.
This is the major contradiction that got me to first criticize capitalism. We're all expected to take responsibility for things we technically did but barely had any choice in. Whereas, in the same situation where the outcome is good, all the credit goes to the person who had the agency. It only seems to work with blame, never with credit.
@@uint16_t Sartre's radical freedom?
realevilcorgi could you give examples please?
"The KGB cancels him and forces him to delete his twitter account."
The KGB did like to follow people...
u n d e r a t e d
I need someone to call KGB hyperwoke now
Dammit, I miss Legasov.
And his cat.
And her club... :'(
C I R C L E O F A C C O U N T A B I L I T Y
oh no is twitter a commie?
There is no such thing as a wall. There are individual bricks and individual slabs of cement
how can you eat an elephant???
one bite at a time
Let's go with that analogy. How does the wall fail? If enough bricks in the wall fail the wall will collapse. The wall can't do anything to help the bricks, the bricks have to themselves maintain a sturdy existence and provide support for their neighbor bricks. The wall cannot change these bricks to be sturdier. Your analogy does not work
@@Jeff-uu9vo The people that maintain the wall (the state) are supposed to provide the upkeep of the wall. If the wall collapses it's the fault of the people who failed to maintain it
@@biancastepney1517 That requires that the people maintaining the wall aren't a part of the wall, nor that they are themselves managed by the wall. Society and State are reciprocal. I don't necessarily agree with Thatcher but we won't get anywhere on these issues if we pretend they are simpler than they are, or that the vast swath of those that disagree with us are any stupider than ourselves
@@Jeff-uu9vo i don’t think bricks are all that capable of consciousness
As a Russian I really appreciate that all of the translations of the text were spot on. This is much rarer than you might think. Thank you!
The closed captions on the other hand...
As someone who is native-level fluent in English, Russian and Spanish (Spanish dad, Russian mom, English school since 3 years old) this is my personal hell. Basically no media from any of those three languages consistently gets either of the other two right, and it comes up way more often than you'd think.
@@masterplusmargaritaFuck, the Spanish speakers are also getting that feel. I feel half of your pain, although it still feels quite shitty.
I’m so sorry for all of you
I think this is generally a problem with media. I speak Japanese and English and find it so obnoxious how off English subtitles tend to be haha.
"in the world of the blind, the one eyed man is called a virtue signaller, and a sightcuck" i lose it every time i watch this
literally had to stop the video at this point lmao
@@chaoticgood12 Yes.
in the world of the blind, the one eyed man is called a virtue signaller by competing virtue signallers.
Can someone please explain this joke, I have no idea what it means as hard as I try.
@@dioz8768 It's a contrast between the common refrain "in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king", which refers to the notion that someone with at least some competence is likely to have a higher standing within a pool of incompetent people, to the observed effect that if everyone is equally incompetent, then incompetence would be taken as competence and the one halfway competent person would be derided and shunned for dissenting or for suggesting that everyone else is wrong. It uses the terms "virtue signaler" and "sight-cuck" to make that "pool of incompetence" reference overtly about reactionaries and the alt-right being willfully ignorant of the complexity of societal issues and choosing to mock and discredit people who talk about those complexities instead.
1987: There is no society.
2005: There is society.
2018: We live in a society.
2020: Bottom text.
Honestly can't wait to live in a bottom text
Gang weed
2035: End of page.
E
We live in a pretend society & everything is ok.
AI.
Investors > Intelligence.
Artificial Inflation.
Artificial Inflation creates pay-walled-region-locked-time-gated content.
We are being priced out of life because of Artificial Inflation.
In debt we unite to serve corporate.
Nothing will change since Central Investment Agency keep approving and actually encouraging such investments.
It is in the name.
It is in the game.
Honestly, the extended Thatcher quote is so much worse than the original one.
"If you're homeless don't expect society to help." ???
It's really the typical Tory MO.
Absolutely I was gonna say the same thing. She says it is up to individuals but apparently doesn't consider herself among those individuals.
It comes from a flawed vies of what is the responsibility of the state, of society in large
From the false notion of give and take to and from government of rich people
That think themselves as so awesome, beneficial, and helpful to society they need tax cut, they need grants, they need to pay less tax proportionally than a homeless person
Because it will all come back to society
Spoiler: it doesn't
@@SargentDerpChannel if you troll at least dont be boring
I agree with a lot of the people here haha, I especially like the part where she says (paraphrasing a bit) 'when pulling your weight you should help others less fortunate than you' then goes on on the way she thinks things should be run that are completely oppositely polarized to that
The thumbnail says "we live in a society" in Russian if anyone was wondering
Aram Manukyan thank you
Oh god dammit 😂
Hemp Scoory
Thatcher: "There is no such thing as society, there is only [insert definition of a society]."
There's no such thing as orange juice, there is only fluid won from individual oranges
There are no compounds, only atoms.
There is no spoon. There's only an elongated handle connected to an elliptic concave surface.
@Tactical Bacon says the one showing blatant idiocy... good job.
@Tactical Bacon just pointing out the obvious fact that your head is stuck inside your rectum.
And let's say I were white knighting for my boyfriend; you shouldn't have gotten so defensive about his leftist comment, because the left clearly supports LGBTQdjejsidhxjdm.
You're so idiotic that you dont even know what side you're on or trying to defend; go figure. Looks like you swing both ways, pun intended. Whatever floats your boat.
If you need some help pulling your head out of your rectum, let me know; it seems very uncomfortable, and is making you act like a shithead, pun also intended.
"Success has many fathers. Failure is always an orphan."
@Karoline Tacitus, Agricola 27:1 (written ~ 98AD) [1]
@@ScarletEdge Excellent thank you for that one!
or failure's 'father' is always a cuck as in Tywin: "you are no son of mine."
666 likes. Nice.
@@somkeshav4143 I was about to say the same
Laughing in Coronavirus crisis 2020:
Invisible enemy - Check
Government not listening - Check
No societal responsibility - Check
No personal responsibiity - Check
*chuckles* We're in danger…
I scrolled down to comment this
* government cover ups - check
Red alert, red alert,
It's a catastrophe,
Don't worry,
Don't panic
Aint nothing goin on but history...
Hmm this Basement Jaxx might have anthem seems worryingly familar.
yuppppppppppppp was thinking the whole time too.
"WE LIVE IN AN INDIVIDUAL MAN"
-margaret thatcher
Welcome to the City of Frank
Kinky.
@@JKJ1900 😂
She lives in a urinal
Damn it. I never thought anything associated with Margaret Thatcher would be able to give me a boner but I guess life is full of surprises.
_"There are a lot of parallels between the Chernobyl nuclear desaster and say, the American..."_ ...Corona crisis? Oooohh this video aged like fine wine. Now I get why youtube put this in Recommended!
In Brazil, one of our politicians, son of the infamous presidente, use the show Chernobyl to say that it was China's fault the corona crises started, impling that China created the virus and their government hid the truth for too long. The final conclusion was that the crises is The Comunist's Fault. This lead to a very big diplomatic mess between the countries and made me shiver while watching this video. So, yes. It aged well.
In five to seven years, provided we're all still alive and society hasn't completely collapsed by that time, when the next major global crisis rolls around, this video will reappear again, and we will all sigh again, and we will all watch again.
@@AnnaBeatriz-nf8wy ja ia comentar do brasil. kakaka
@@AnnaBeatriz-nf8wy Lol. That's like saying that the Spanish Flu came from Spain. It doesn't matter where it was first identified by scientists, as viruses certainly don't discriminate between imaginary lines (which are called countries)
In the video, he also calls a disease an invisible enemy, which is the same nickname Trump gave to COVID, coincidence? I think yes!
"There is no such thing as society, there is a living tapestry of men and women and people"... That's... That's what a society is. That's the definition of society, Thatcher.
Nice Mage20 icon you have there, Comrade
well, she's arguing that it's just a pile of individuals all acting in their personal best interest, not something greater than the sum of its parts, people co-operating for no immediate benefit, etc. because that's socialist thinking
@@nuazak immediacy is a matter of perspective.
@@nuazak it's the fact that she calls it a 'tapestry' which suggests everyone is connected and keeping the other parts moving. I know she's trying to emphasize that it should work fine if they act in self-interest without going out of their way for others, but that's still a society, just one that works unconsciously as a result of individualism.
@pjd412 yup, that's what Thatcher means by it.
22:08 OMG THIS! So many times, "be a team player" has been shorthand for "don't be autistic". "Be professional" is shorthand for "Don't be poor". "No politics" often means "people have a right to discriminate against you on the basis of immutable, involutary aspects of biology or personal history".
That last point you made about "being political" hits lol; for bigots, trans/queer/disabled/POC people existing in public without hiding themselves/otherwise minimising their existence is deemed *inherently* political in the way that a white/straight/male/cis/abled person never is.
"Don't get political" as a request for polite society behaviour is supposed to mean "don't start lecturing or handing out political party flyers at the Sunday barbeque/kids birthday party/etc" NOT "never mention being gay or your pronouns, or point out that somebody else said something racist/sexist/Ablist/etc"
Like, I've been accused of being political for answering the question "do you have a boyfriend yet?" From a family member with "Not really, I'm asexual 😁 but I have lots of lovely friends!" As if the mention of my existence is some sort of political statement or activism!
Like no, I'm conversing with another person. Conversing is exchanging information. I answered the question asked of me, with the honest information. But because I exist as a politicized "other", my entire existence is deemed to have ONLY political implications, instead of emotional or relational implications etc.
Like, "don't be political" as used by the right translates to "if you stop reacting to the bully, he'll leave you alone. If he hasn't, you need to stop hanging out where he does, and if that doesn't work, stay home and be quiet. What? You want me to...... address the bully's behaviour and make him stop?!?!?! Don't be so ridiculous, he's only bullying you because of your existence !"
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"some people have to fail" is the contradiction that got me out of supporting capitalism. That even in an ideal world where everyone is perfect, in a world where everyone has perfect families, perfect grades, and everyone has the certifications, education, and licensing they need to perform all the duties necessary to meet the demands of the market, some people are still going to end up working fast food and be incapable of supporting themselves. Some people are still going to end up homeless with a lack of housing. Some people are still going to end up chronically unemployed.
Yup!
If you put something on a market, you're saying that it's okay if some people can't buy it. Housing. Food. Medicine.
That some people is at least third of all americans
One organization estimated that in 2015, 13.5% of Americans (43.1 million) lived inpoverty. Yet other scholars underscore the number of people in the United States living in "near-poverty," putting the number at around 100 million, or nearly a third of the U.S. population. And that's just the people living in near poverty. There are others too who feel unsatisfied in this society.
@Hoyt Shepherd, that's why we're saying capitalism is bunk. It not only says it's "OK" for some people to be unable to buy things, it actually requires it. It requires some people to fail.
Sorry if I misread your tone and you were reinforcing the same point already.
8:17 I think this video was just an excuse for olly to nerd out about acting
How did you comment before it was out? Something to do with Patreon?
Ya I get to see it early, also just to let you know, the video is GREAT
Ahhh
You're from the future!
@@AshleyLuna :0
😏
olly watches strange æons? an unexpected crossover, but a welcome one
I'd been laboring under the assumption that SA was a much smaller channel (I knew Contra watches her but anyhow), but actually, she's got more subs than Philosophy Tube and HBombs each do. My mind is blown.
It's quite funny cus she acts like she dosent have as many subscribers as them and I really respect that because she just seems not to care. In a good way. She dosent let it pressure her she just does what she wants when she wants and I really respect that
@@organisedmess725 Yeah, the only time she acts like she knows how many people sub to her is when she's saying "guys, don't mob the goblin kids/vulture culture/whatever on Tumblr" and things like that, for the sake of trying to be responsible with her platform. She's really personable and I'd probably be less hesitant to say hi to her on the street than if I saw Ollie or Harris.
@Mey 13:38
@@georgeparkins777 agreed. However I'm more likely to see Ollie on the street and as long as I'm not interupting him I'd probably try to take the opportunity to tell him how much I enjoy and appricate his content. In the rare chance I would happen to see strange eons I agree that it would probably be easier to approach her as she presents as less formal and open. However it would be wrong to act like we know her just from how she presents on RUclips and would be atrocious if we'd do things like many do wjen they see their favorite youtubers like follow them home and want to hang out immidiately or something.
"personal responsibility" in politics means: "I am currently profiting from maintaining inequality and do not want to be held responsible for my actions"
Wouldn’t these people themselves hold personal responsibility?
@@haydenbarnes5110 I should have specified: conservative/fascists who use the term "personal responsibility" mean they want everyone to be held accountable, except themselves.
Not an Inquisitor Ohhhhh, I get you. Sorry about that. It’s a complicated topic, the attribution of responsibility, and something I’ve been wrestling with for a long time
It s social darwinism. The bigger fish or the bigger flock survive.
"Collective responsibility" in politics means:
"I'm currently profiting from maintaining inequality because it is what it is and it's everyone else's fault that this inequality exists at all even though we didn't make you powerful enough to fight us cronies. Y'all figure out how to fix it while I take a bath in these dollar bills you've given me."
I see that Bomber has a steady career of saying things incredulously like a madman.
it's his brand
@@benutzername1875 I'm trying to remember which video he guest voices in that I'm thinking of but what was the one where he makes a terrible joke about the video's topic, and then hysterically asks to be killed? Truly an artist of his craft.
nvm found it. Lindsay Ellis's Last of the GoT Hot Takes
@@Ruby_Coast HOW MUCH OF THIS SHOW HAS THERE BEEN
@@pridemoth_ Earlier?? Phew, my expectations have been subverted!
"Content creator Stefan Molyneux" is the dictionary definition of tact. Well done, sir.
@Karoline Respecting every human is important, even for egotistical reasons.
@Karoline
Maybe.
There is this idea out there called "egoistic altruism" that sais that selfishness is always bad in the long-term.
Would you call it "content" though? It's kind of like asking, is a black hole "matter"?
Oh that slight pause that's there...
That's an hour long video on it's own.
@Karoline its not necessarily hard to "be the better person" when the other person in question is a literal white nationalist, stop the centrist bs
I love how taking Thatcher out of context makes her seem *less* callous.
Callous? Thatcher said we should help our neighbors, but to take personal responsibility for our lives first. The implications of her statement: (1) don't become a burden due to irresponsible decisions and actions the were mostly preventable on your part, and (2) don't make things worse.
Nothing in her statement suggests the individual should look after their interests and theirs alone.
@@pendejo6466 Maybe in those words alone, but in the context of how Thatcher and those who agreed with her politically believed, people *only* became burdens from their own actions.
Neoliberalism enshrines individualism over everything, and as a result tends to downplay or ignore things that might not have been under a person's control, and prefers to ascribe a person's state of being as being the product of their actions, almost entirely, thus justifying the rolling back of oversight and regulation, as well as cutting safety nets.
To Thatcherites, thinly veiled cries of "You shouldn't have been born poor, then!" were considered a perfectly reasonable response to people's complaints about crushing poverty, because neolibs are so focused on personal liberty that they forget that a lot of things we're given no choice in, or have those choices made by others whether they like it or not.
For example, the nuclear reactor failure at Chernobyl. Were there choices that led to it happening? Yes. But were the people who took the brunt of those choices' consequences the ones who made them? Largely no. Most of the pain and suffering inflicted by the reactor's failure ended up hitting workers and locals that had little to no control over the situation but were forced to deal with it anyway.
Obviously, a person should be held accountable in their choices, but the policies of austerity and laissez-fairism that Thatcher pushed were using the aesthetic of personal responsibility and individualism as a trojan horse to cut the poor loose in the interest of feeding their wealth to the rich.
The people who died in Grenfell tower, or who lost their homes with its burning, didn't make a bad choice. They got screwed over by somebody much more powerful than them, and continue to get screwed to this day, all because Thatcher used the idea of personal responsibility as a cudgel to cut away any real responsibility on the part of those who most sorely need to be held accountable.
@@TheManWithTheFlan
You get no argument from me that institutions of immense power and responsibility (i.e., government, corporations, agencies) can and often do fail their constituents and customers--egregiously, and perhaps, purposely.
But there's an extreme reversal against responsibility (as seen in the comment section), turning a rite of passage and noble aspiration into an indictment of concealed accusations.
Any relationship I honored, or any task I troubled myself to see through to the end, began with the sense of responsibility. Just because the better-off have misused the term, it doesn't diminish its importance and relevance.
@@pendejo6466 Define "preventable".
@@TheManWithTheFlan Ignore that RUclips account, you will find it in every comment section of LefTube, he probably has a hard on conservatism or is paid, I never saw him even flinch, so don't waste your time
Seeing Abby geek over the actors movements/techniques is seriously helping to cure my depression 🤗🤗🤗
My great uncle was actually one of those firefighters who went to Chernobyl as part of that ‘civic duty’ - absolutely fascinating video
I want you to know that your great uncle is a hero of Ukraine and the world.
@@moredetonation3755 Username... checks out?
I mean I don’t know much cause I never met him and he refused to mention it to anyone apart from my grandad, but in his time he was in general terms, a cartographer (not sure exactly if it exactly checks out cause my mum used the word geodesic or something like that) and he was part of the second wave of the radioactive liquidation clear up and also the cartography of the exclusion zone during the summer months of 1986. He did manage to die of natural causes however, although I’m sure that being there didn’t do wonders for his health.
You’d be surprised! I’ve got a Ukrainian surname but the man was Russian
Sorry I didn’t phrase that correctly- he was on my mums side
I really appreciate that olly actually asked a russian speaking person to do the russian text (?) . it seems like an obvious thing to do but you have no idea how often do I encounter really badly constructed russian just for aesthetic points :/
btw, the vid is, as always, great!
oh my god Y E S
Ikr? Even TV shows and films often have glaring mistakes in their russian which really ruin the whole effect. This was splendidly free of mistakes, which was very refreshing to see.
Wasn't Russian always just an aesthetic though?
Being Greek I 100% understand that. lol. So many just put absolutely zero effort, even in high budget productions, just to score some mainstream aesthetic points. Now, _that_ is what I call appropriation. lol
Joining in here with the bane of my scandinavian existence: öåäøæ put in words for the åesthetic purpösæs.
“Someday I will be an old man”
Ehhhhhh, I’m not sure about that one dude.
*duderella
Press X to doubt
Yeah, I would've gone with "someday I will be an old person"
Society: There is no Thatcher
Not anymore, HURRAY!
MARGARET THATCHER IS DEAD
DING DONG THE WICKED BITCH IS DEAD
Honk if Thatchers dead
And there is no old man.
I really do love those moments, when "full quote" makes shorter quote look tame and delicate in comparison.
"and now for the context
oh no oh dear it's even worse now"
Sigmund the Reichstag is on fire
No parlilamentarian its just the northern lights
This is underrated
"What is happening in the Reichstag?!"
"...an international Zionist-Communist conspiracy?"
"...An internationalist Zionist-Communist conspiracy. Who wants to burn down the Reichstag and do nothing else."
"...yes!"
"May I see it?"
"...no."
@@leoseling4413 thank you
@@smallseal17 OOF
@@smallseal17 history_channel_aliens_guy_meme_but_the_bottom_text_is_Bolsheviks_instead.png
"At time of recording" is an audacious bit of optimism.
I truly love those hopeful little hints
That aged terribly haha
everyone memeing about society while i’m just hyped abigail mentioned dark academia and strange aeons
which video was that even from
@@BarbarianGod it was from one of her tumblr dives, dark academia or some shit, can't exactly remember
See I'm freaking out because strange aeons mentioned philosophytube in one of her vids
@@ethan4896 wait what-
@@ethan4896 *everything is coming together*
Olly: People characterize Tatcher's quote as evil, but it's usually removed from context
Me. Oh okay
The quote in context: is exactly as evil and callous as I thought it was
I thought the full one was worse, lol
@@biel96 well it depends on what you believe in the government's role. The full quote said people depend too much on their government to solve their issues. That's the gist
But if you believe it's the government's purpose to take care of the least of our society, then the quote is even worse in its entirety.
When it comes from a conservative like Thatcher, it's basically just someone telling you some bullshit propaganda about why your life being shit and staying shit by their doing is actually a good thing.
@Caltrop Because Margaret "I Want My Money Back" Thatcher was just setting up a whole lot of strawmen needed to establish a narrative that ultimately led to all the have-nots she defined in the process shooting themselves in the foot by Brexit... !?
@Caltrop Left fascism is denigrated. The unpardonable sin.
"Scientists fighting an invisible enemy and the government doesn't listen and people die" hits DIFFERENT rn. Thanks 2019 Olly
we live in a society indeed
bottom text
Yet you participate in society. Curious.
we do
Max Redd lmao I can imagine prager u saying that
Where my gangweed at
for me, the key phrase from "Chernobyl," that explains to me how it got as bad as it did, was the exchange where, before they knew the vessel had cracked, one of the supervisors demands, "Unless you can tell me how an RBMK Reactor can meltdown, then it cannot meltdown."
Which, 🤯🤯🤯
Just like the boy who cried wolf. It was the village who failed him, and if you can't see it. think about it from the wolf's perspective. When all the villagers come rushing in, that wolf is going to disappear into the forrest quick smart. Might even hide when the boy calls "wolf", but when he calls and nobody comes up the hill, that wolf might come back out of hiding... The boy did his job when the wolf appeared, the village failed theirs.
Perhaps the single best use of the "Steamed Hams" audio ever created.
This is a work of art.
STRANGE AEONS I never in a million years expected her to appear on a philosophy tube video
Trini .V You mean...a million aeons?
Trini .V seeing two people I’m subscribed to in the same video is like a Christmas present
Where?
@@Arkdragonman This comment makes me miss Filthy Frank's Cake series.
@@toolongforyoutoread6 13:38
The beauty of captions.
This video contains her best caption work, hands down
Turns out, it was Mommy the entire time.
"They're not really autonomous; they're just unsupervised"
YES. This exactly.
Me: ohh yeah, self driving cars are kinda cool
Ollie: "that company has just been given the unaccountable power of life and death over everybody who encounters their product".
But, might it be safer than counting on the individual power of a countless amount of people? Statistics can be a funny thing, where you might think the chances that someone shares a birthday in a class of 30 or so people should be really small, but it is actually statistically quite possible because you are checking the chances of each of the 30 people can match the other 29. In a high enough pool of individual data points, the chances of something obscur and strange is actually very possible.
So looking at all the other cars that have individual people in full control, the chances that any one of them could make a mistake, or have a bad day, a sudden medical problem, and so on, should be scarily higher than you would think. A good enough algorithm would hopefully be able to avoid that, but accountability is still important.
I’m visually impaired and I have enough sight where I can technically drive, but I have too much anxiety that my visual impairment will cause me to get in an accident and kill someone so I just don’t drive. I desperately want a self-driving car so I can independently go anywhere I want without anyone or having to use the bus. I’d give almost anything for one-that’s how much it’d improve my life.
@@DuskyPredator It might be safer, but we don't have any data to say whether it is, so it's just speculation. We're just assuming that a creation of humanity (software and hardware) will be more infallible than humanity overall, on our road network, in the long run, simply because it's proven to be more consistent at repetitive tasks. But it can only solve problems it's been given solutions for, and we've made things so complex that the standard of QA is comparatively low. Software gets tested as much as financially convenient. I mean, the product has to be affordable, right? We won't know if autonomous vehicles are safer until enough of them are on the road to make a difference, and then we might find that actually humans were safer.
@@FriedEgg101 Software is not a departure from humanity any more than using a shovel to dig over your bare hands. It is an extension, and perhaps different in lives being immediately at risk. Of course being reckless is not good, don't need a Virtua Boy situation.
There is a point that it will be automatically better, only at risk of people pulling dumb things, which they do anyway. Training will maybe change, whether being aware of risks or supplementing blind spots. But we adapt or we all turn into antivaxers that cannot trust anything too complicated.
@@DuskyPredator I see your point, and don't disagree with you. But we have the tech to cut things with lazers, yet we still use knives in the kitchen. Sometimes things don't need to be any more complex.
If you're into automated vehicles then you're probably familiar with the levels of automation, 0 to 5. We can't put anything less than a 5 on the roads and expect things to be safer, and yet we seem to be getting excited over levels 2 and 3, and selling them to people to use on the roads. It's just like releasing a beta as a finished product.
Conclusion: we live in a society
It really makes you think.
Yes, that's what is written in Russian in miniature.
But I wasn't expecting to see Iron Lady in first minute of this video.
Is dubbing over Thatcher with another voice is a reference to the British policy of dubbing over Sinn Féin politicians in the 80's-90's. Because that's hilarious.
He regularly has different voices for quotations.
Correctrix but those weren’t for quotations where there is audio of the speaker
I thought it was because she spoke too slow
I was under the impression generic interview footage was used under the reading of a text interview, but I could be wrong.
I'm about 90 percent certain that was Lindsay Ellis, but I don't see an attribution anywhere
I wish I could just watch you geek out over Chernobyl and how FUCKINGEXCELLENT it was for a whole episode! My husband and I were like “this is the best thing we’ve seen - we can’t talk about this with any of our friends because watching this leaves a void of sadness and existential horror and we can’t do that to them!” We still evangelized the fuck out of it, but I loved your drawing attention to the beautiful subtle touches easily missable on first viewing! Jared Harris and Emily Watson are treasures.
Also - the fucking end credit sequence of Chernobyl??? With Vichnaya Pamyat playing?? The beauty of that song… just unparalleled. I listened to it a lot, especially during quarantine when my grandparents died and it just felt like the right thing while having a good cry. That whole soundtrack was one of the most effective I’ve ever heard.
OUR GLORIOUS LESBIAN MOTHER HAS BEEN MENTIONED. ALL HAIL THURSDAY THE LONG FURBY!
it's not the long furby it's just long furby >:(
Thursday reigns
hype
What does this mean?
@@InfiniteNarwhal enter the cult of long furby sweet summer child
This is why I love philosophy tube! Instead of handing out answers, it provokes a dialogue and gets us all to ponder the solutions that are actually practical. That’s where change is going to live in the future. Not in policies but in relationships.
The best we can do is mitigate the inevitable pain of living in a naturally competitive predatory world. So far life has gotten less severe and people are living longer. But the general attitude is : "What have you done for me lately?" Dealing with disappointment will never go away.
@@chewacan I don't know if that's necessarily the BEST we can do. It's not the worst though. The best (or...SO MUCH better anyway) would be to recognize that if we don't work together, if we don't rely on each other, human civilization is doomed. Whether that's in a decade or in 500 years, I don't think TOO many people are all that keen on the extinction of humanity. There is certainly a minority who would sacrifice humanity for their own personal wealth and power in whatever time they have on Earth, but I don't think they make up more than 25-30% of people averaged globally...perhaps 40% of Americans.
This actually gets back to a major issue I have with conservatives (plus a large number of classical liberals). They don't seem to understand the trade-off Ollie was talking about, that you pay for other people's needs now, and they pay for YOUR needs in the future. Or just the basic fact that taxes get you stuff that you NEED to live a good life. How could anyone be the best version of themselves (y'know, pull themselves up by their proverbial bootstraps) without the infrastructure of a society, funded by people via taxes? It's like they're all living in this fantasy world where they're solely responsible for everything good (and bad) that happens to them. You don't have to be a free will skeptic (though I am) to see that no human is an island, able to thrive in the absence of others. Somehow, someone is going to have to convince these morons that they would last like, a day in the libertarian free-for-all paradise they dream of, or we're NEVER going to solve the global problems we've created.
@@VoIcanomanAll of our problems are human drama problems. We keep creating problems and drama because of nature. How possible is it to not be greedy, superstitious, envious, and insecure? Maybe we humans will evolve in a more humain way. But from my experience the drama of human existence will continue as long as earth supports our needs.
Thanks for your reply. I like your attitude.
"... at time of recording"
Damn, that got me 😄
That "shoe factory" scene to me just calls out the practice of putting inexperienced, ignorant people in power over dedicated experts, which hoo-boy, is what America is all about these days.
Lol
@Lachlan Allen About the same.
@Lachlan Allen wow mate, you're ally went from 0 to 100 there real quick
@Lachlan Allen there were some little troubles in the soviet union yeah... What if we don't give the US a too much higher mark at the human rights scale...
@Lachlan Allen It’s so easy to shit on the URRS, the failed state, with the foresight. But let’s not compare USA to such a low bar shall we. It only embellishes USA, remember it has its own oligarchs.
And I would like to note that a female Belorussian scientist in the show is more realistic one thinks because the URRS was more inclusive in its academics than USA at the time. So credit where it’s due.
"Look at the reactor core!"
"I don´t see any."
"Exactly!!!"
It's so weird living in a country so close to that disaster that still has consequences to this day and then it gets a tv show and also a youtuber you enjoy makes a video about it, usually eastern europe is not a hot topic
@@mikkelens that and russia
KGB to Legazov: We will erase your statement, it never happened.
Ollie: This also never happened.
Me: Wait a minute...
😅😄
Funny how Margret thatcher talks of personal responsibility to help one another but the second she as a moment to take responsibility she's like no we don't need to do that.
Thatcher: "Individuals should take responsibility to take care of each other."
Individuals: use their political power to advocate for using their tax dollars to take care of each other.
Thatcher: "No not like that, that's my money now."
"That's radiation ionizing the air!"
"Don't kill my mellow dude"
"Someday, I will be an old man" - dodged that bullet, Ab..
the strange aeons clip in the middle of this video really was a right hook out of nowhere.
"There is no such thing as society. Only Bottom Text"
Pretty funny ngl
Philosophy Tube missed a perfect chance.
He should have said that they were baking cake.
Yellow cake.
Could you explain that to the hyperthinkers like me please?
@@WangleLine Yellowcake is pre-fuel uranuim powder.
@@fl00fydragon Aaah! Thanks~
@@fl00fydragon This is a highly obscure joke.
Very good.
The Revolution is aided by your sacrifice.
it's not obscure joke, it is nonsense. They have nothing to do with any yellow cakes, they work at nuclear plant, not uranium refinery.
My dad got the antidote for radiation, because he was studying philosophy at the time and another student brought a giant container of the Lugola fluid from the university labs. Nobody behind the Berlin wall, including my family, knew that the explosion happened. The only reason they suspected it was, because the scientists at the university recognised high levels of radiation. In my town the police confiscated a Geiger counter from our local physics teacher at a highschool, because by chance he was showing the class how it works and realised what is happening. He started telling people to stay at home, take all measures they can, so the ruling communist party heard of it and police came to his house to confiscate it. The guy knew how to make a new one and measured the levels every day until it was over. A true icon. But yeah, just wanted to say it's possible I don't have 3 arms because my dad studied philosophy.
Actually, "nobody behind the Berlin Wall" is wrong. Practically the whole GDR could receive West-German television, so people were *very* aware of what was happening as soon as Western Europe was. And there were warnings what not to do etc. even from the government, even if they may not have been complete.
I can't speak for countries farther in the east of course, Tchechoslovakia and Poland and on - but in case of Germany, people knew.
nearly choked on my cereal when StrangeAeons showed up
I didn't see her anywhere, how did I miss it?
Cosmic Conical, it was the “Dark Academia” bit.
@@danielc4071 any time stamp?
Cosmic Conical, 13:36
@@danielc4071 thank you!
Margaret Thatcher sounds a lot like Lindsay Ellis.
Wait, that was Margaret Thatcher? I thought it was Lindsey too!
“Society, you say? Thanks, I hate it! (Beleaguered sigh)”
-Margaret Ellis
Which looks a lot like the girl who used to hit on Todd In The Shadows
I think she might have voiced her line
@@soaribb32 I am now incapable of not envisioning scenarios where Margaret Thatcher is stalking/hitting on Todd. Thanks for that.
As soon as the Spanish subtitles come out I’m showing this video to my mom, that’s how good it is.
I honestly never felt like Chernobyl was slightly anti-socialist because the USSR portrayed in the show was pretty similar to late capitalism and modern avoidance of responsibilities. Even this guy proudly saying that he was working in shoe factory before he became a big fish and therefore more important than the scientist reminded me more of the American Dream than socialist ideology. In the end, just like under capitalism, your knowledge and experience don't really matter. You have to know people, have basic charisma and be born in the right family to become a person in power
Main protagonist was authorized to deal with the fallout not because he knew how nuclear reactor works but because he proved in the past he was ready to follow orders, had some self-confidence and his father was high ranked official
Anti-socialist in that most Americans don't know what socialism is, and thus any negative representation of the USSR (Russia, Cuba, Venezula, etc) is taken by the uneducated as 'evidence' that socialism leads to death, poverty, etc.
Good on you to be able to see and think of the similarities at the first glance. But never ignore how stupid can people be. Most people are simple, and they just soak up what is on the surface and never think about the depth, let alone similarities of other systems and whatnot. Simple: Chernobyl bad, state try to cover up, state speak communist stuff, communism bad...
The whole thing about the party guy who worked in a shoe factory before running a nuclear reactor reminds me EXACTLY of people who are on the Boards of Directors of any modern corporation who have zero experience in what that business does.
@@BeautifulEarthJa Yeah, maybe it's European thing to be able to distinguish between communism and socialism because almost every country here is proudly social and, while the USA do have some elements of the system, they like to ignore it
My country decided to join to a very socialist union not long after getting away from USSR (with the help of independent workers union, huh) so even after getting burnt on communism people still did appreciate the idea of "helping the poor will improve society and we will avoid yet another bloody revolution"
You're right that it is more anti-capitalist than anti-socialist, however most americans are so uninformed about both capitalism and socialism that they assume that many of capitalism's problems are just normal parts of life and that there's no ideology that has really proposed a solution to these problems
"Eventually I will be an old man" I can't belive Abigail lied to us
"There's no such thing as a society," says person elected by and paid by society
No, elected by and paid by people. Society isn't real. Protons are real. People are kinda sorta real if you squint. And society is just a bunch of people all dodging responsibility for their collective actions.
@@diablominero either all complexity is real or none is. You don't get to decide what's real based off of your biases against abstract concepts.
@@dakunssd My point is that things smoothly get less real as they get more complex and abstract, and that between people and society is a totally legitimate place to draw the line. You can point at a person. You'd have a hard time pointing at a society. For that reason, it's dishonest to imply that politicians are being hypocritical when they argue that society isn't real.
@@diablominero a "person" is just as much real as a "society" is, those are actually both intangible concepts. Even terms like "human", "individual", etc. aren't objective and subject to both language and social construction.
Things don't get less "real" as they get more abstract and complex, the biochemical processes going on in your body are highly abstract and complex in sciences' understanding of them, and they still are very real and empirical. Same thing goes for social processes and society.
Anything else is just some sort of objectivist bs, and even kooky old Ayn Rand recognised that society exists, she just thought that it all rested on a few exeptional indivduals.
In the same video, Eddy talk about the context
... I was not ready for "uwu smol bean pwease don't bwame me comwade!" XD XD XD
Why yes, I would like a memorial for the victims of austerity, please.
Sounds like a good idea.
@casual complaints
27:00
casual complaints why did you come back to the video if you didn’t particularly enjoy it the first time round?
@casual complaints so thats why you went on at least two other videos of his commenting multiple times instead of leaving something that doesn't interest you and watching something that does:)
casual complaints You literally could’ve just clicked the time stamp, realized you were wrong, and then never have to watch this video again. Instead you managed to make an absolute muppet of yourself. Great job my dude.
"Oh, you're homeless? Tough shit pal, we all got problems." Margaret Thatcher, 1987
Wow, context makes that Thatcher quote even worse than it already was.
"you're homeless? Well get off your butt and rent a house!" Truly, the greatest icon of neoliberalism
Really? She stated we should help those who need, but we have a responsibility to ensure we don't become a burden or liability ourselves; in other words, don't make things worse. It's just like the safety brief when flying: put on your own mask first before assisting others, because two dead bodies from a lack of oxygen does no one any good.
@@pendejo6466 I think what Caz is trying to say is that there is perhaps nothing wrong with Thatcher's words in themselves, but they can be used to justify the misdeed of not helping certain people if you don't think they're working hard enough to help themselves.
@@JKJ1900
I get it. But Caz's criticism was against Thatcher with respect to a specific set of comments.
People misappropriate and misuse ideas, but that's not a good reason to find fault with those ideas, and indict its source with intentions and meanings they never advocated nor defended.
Please do a video on the philosophy of meritocracy
@@Christ_Is_Faithful These are educational
@@stevo8433 they are, though less focused on a certain philosophical topic, like the old ones. They do a better job to tie in contemporary topics or use philosophy to discuss a certain topic, but also because they are longer they touch on different theories in philosophy.
meritocracy was a satirical concept which became a serious societal concept invented by labour peer Lord Young of Darlington whose son is the Spectator journalist Toby Young.
Peter Coffin has a video on that. Not philosophically speaking.. .but definitely an educational one.
Does anyone actually believe in a meritocracy?
My dad was at Chernobyl the morning of the explosion. We have friends and family that lived in Chernobyl that had to evacuate and now get annual cancer screenings. This hit kinda close to home as someone born outside of the USA
not to add a comment about a clip you didn't make, but that visual of the workers patting that guy on the shoulder and getting dirt on his suit? genius.
IRISH FAN HERE, LOVE THE SHOUT OUT TO RYANAIR (which has serious issues in not allowing its employees to unionise)
There's something that's touched my heart about the last several Philosophy Tube videos, some piece of forward thinking nostalgia. They've all evoked things I'm familiar with, but then pointed them into the future.
They've all made me feel small, but part of something. They're all shown me the bad things in this life, but empowered me and gave me hope.
Thank you, Olly.
Stay strong, comrade. Through kindness, generosity and consideration we shall change this world. :)
God this comment section is such a reddit circlejerk
@@themysticfedora Or you're incapable of giving subjects raised consideration.
Being able to say "we live in a society" in Russian is such a precious gift. We must use it carefully
Seriously thank you for that side note about acting. I'm autistic and unable to read faces. I absolutely hate shows that think 100% of acting should be shoulders up. When you can't read faces, movies that rely on nothing but those close shots might as well be watching paint dry. I love it when shows have actors that actually act, expressing with their entire bodies the way real people do.
Microexpressions/neg😂😂
I am so here for the pluralization of "Stefans Molyneux" at 25:34
Kudos to the filmmakers, my mom got PTSD from the first 20 minutes of the series and walked out. She had to deal with the same type of people, chinovniks, apparatchiks, and the same behaviour in communist Hungary.
So yes. That world was pretty much like as depicted.
We even had a word for it, contra-selection. It means that people with the worst attitudes, the ones who never accepted any personal resposibility but pointed fingers first, were promoted to leadership positions.
Absolute kudos to the creators and the actors.
Hello fellow Hungarian! I’m afraid of showing this series to my mom :(
Curious, because that seems to happen everywhere. Just need to look at the current UK Government to see this in action.
@@KindredBrujah my theoretical understanding is that this is an inevitable part of party politics, where demagogues are empowered by members; who are selected for their willingness to delegate power. Party is collectively powerful over individuals who are willing to object; they lack the power of the party.
The American Founders seemed to understand the threat of this power, but unfortunately the warnings were of little use since the mechanism to avoid this power concentrating was not specified. The vague allusion was insufficient in the face of many founding fathers themselves being unclear on the terminology.
This confusion is in basis thousands of years old, so it unfortunately persists to this day including among contemporary leftists.
Jeremy Corbyn made my car break down. MARXIST IDEOLOGUE!
Jeremy Corbyn personally made my ducks infertile.
There are some enterprises with a “no blame” culture, where the idea is to figure out what happened, who made mistakes, learn why the mistakes were made, and help avoid the mistakes in the future, with no personal repercussions other than learning. In practice it goes away from that when crimes are committed, but that’s because of the larger “yes blame” society around.
That is why air travel became very safe, no fault investigations, and published findings. Learning from someone else's mistakes saves a lot of unnesecary trouble. If someone doesn't wear PPE and is injured, everyone else comes to know why wearing PPE is important, injury rate is lower than a "fired for not wearing PPE" policy could ever hope to match.
"individualist" VS "societal" responsibility reminds me of the long debate in biology about nature, and nurture. The current evidence is trending there towards both being intertwined and blurred, with fields like epigenetics revolutionizing how we understood that the strength of certain nurture influences... Depended on your nature. And the strength of certain nature elements, depends on how you were nurtured. Genetic markers are left like epigenetic scars in traumatized populations, like the Jewish people, traveling to the present day. By trying to divide our world into binaries we blind ourselves to the inherently procedural and fractal nature of it, defined by emergent properties we can understand fundamentally well without the capacity to predict the fullness of what has resulted from them without creating something, in itself, unique and new.
(I believe this is related to the philosophy of maps and models, who knows where I picked it up I ran into this theory when I was like 11 or something in science fiction, but that the most perfect map of a thing can only be the thing itself or a perfect replication of it, and that there is a tension between the need to simplify forms and therefore abstract them and therefore lose them in order to digest something more vast than we can assimilate in a reasonable amount of time)
I think in essence there is a fundamental problem of balance itself in all things, and the frustrating requirement that as something changes, so does its needs in order to remain there. We may be able to use the strange tools to achieve harmony the same way shit seeps into the earth to grow both into the trees that feed us and the weeds that choke us. It depends on the robustness of the system, which depends on the diversity and flexibility and compatibility of its parts. I feel like much of philosophy could learn a lot from ecology.
We must recognize both the roles that parts play in the system and the role the system plays in the parts.
@The Laughing Dove
Actually, there is a rather recent discipline in literary and cultural studies called ecocriticism, or literary ecology. It basically applies the notions of nature vs. nurture to how texts interact with the (natural) world and vice versa. I very much think that it could also be applied in exactly the same way you suggested, acknowledging and employing the inherent complexities of these concepts to sharpen our understanding of their interactions.
Gardening a lot then implement this into a philosophical framework, mate many references has been made in regards to nature, though not virulent from contemporaries. Eastern philosophy is riddled with it. But because you grew up western, the eastern might seem to you as the right way because it’s new and original to you. Steadfast the mind decision to make clear truth.
@@discodave4500 "Braiding Sweetgrass" by Dr. Robin Wall Kimmerer might be the perfect fit. It's "Western", but from an indigenous perspective that reframes environmental biology and plant ecology within traditional indigenous natural philosophy. Fundamentally, it's about the atomized, individualistic approach of western science to singular variables & subjects, in studying something so so inherently multifaceted and interdependent as nature. Ie) western "monoculture" farming methods, vs growing clusters of mutually beneficial species which evolved to flourish in symbiosis with one another.
Western Darwinism sees nature as a billion different actors competing to survive. Robin Wall Kimmerer sees nature as one massive family who all rely on eachother to provide everyone else with their own means of survival, in a massive system of reciprocity. Literally, an *eco*-system. You don't "win" an ecosystem, you participate in it. Elsewise, you're destroying it. If wolves "won", deer wouldn't still thrive and flourish as they do. If deers truly lost, wolves would starve. Each plant and each animal succeeds exactly enough for each other one to also succeed, and all of them need the other. There are individuals, but they don't exist outside of context.
Though Margaret Thatcher might respond: "There's no such thing as an ecosystem."
Grenfell is painful to think about. I was in university in London at the time, and I saw the smoke from my window.
I didn't think anything of it, though. Then my train was delayed and I was annoyed about it because of that. It personally inconvenienced me. It's only now, looking back on seeing the smoke rising in the distance that I think "Oh Fuck. There were people in that smoke. 72 people, just a beacon on my horizon, and that day's excuse for being late to lectures." If I think about it for too long it makes me want to cry.
"You cannot have a housing market and no homeless people. If everyone has secure housing, you cannot sell them housing."
That's a pretty awesome argument, but if I may, you can still have a market for better housing.
For example, just because someone has a house, that doesn't mean they have a place to park their vehicle. It doesn't mean you don't have a home office to get your work done. Or a workshop. Or a full kitchen. Or even simply the ability to add these things to your home.
It can be argued that creating creating competing private and public systems leads to a public system that is constantly under assault. Regardless, if the government gave people all a free place to live a lot of people would still want a better place to live. Not just a place to be housed.
Phil Dog It’s a tricky thing. On the one hand, giving the government more power to be a competitor in the housing market is the only way I can see us fully and completely solving the housing affordability and supply crisis. If we had an amendment in the constitution that declared housing a human right, to which the gov’t must guarantee access, that would be the strongest housing protection. However, as a general rule, capital abhors public control where profit can be made, so any system that lets capital run free will see it eventually try to eat its competitors. We see it now with schemes to privatize public housing across America.
This seems similar to thoughts about a Universal Basic Income; some people would be undoubtedly satisfied with whatever the minimum is to survive.... but most people definitely wouldn't be, and would still want to work, to get money, to get stuff. So goes the idea, anyhow.
Fusilier they actually already did some tests regarding this on smaller scale (eg. city); the results were that ppl were indeed happier but that’s it. They usually wouldn’t work, so global income wouldn’t work as we’d hope
Phil Dog I’m not sure why you think it’s a pretty awesome argument; I’d just say it’s a false argument. It’s just wrong, as you said after: ppl will always be looking for better.
And I can add to that, that my history is living proof of that as we had secure housing many times and we have moved Many times as I was growing up (about 9 times)
the housing argument is actually pretty terrible. starter homes, bigger homes due to more children, downsizing, apartments or condos to avoid maintenance, new cities for work or pleasure, vacation homes, all show why demand for housing is not related to the number of houses available or the number of buyers. people buy houses they don't even live in. in a traditional market, if supply far exceeds demand, the cost of housing would crash. we have more empty houses than homeless because the housing market is predicated on the desirability of specific houses and their surrounding communities. that's why ghost towns are a thing, or why an empty lot in silicon valley will sell for millions while detroit had empty houses being sold for $1.
10:18 on top of everything they mention, the art direction, set design, costume design, cinematography, and color grading are all absolutely top-notch. Like, even years later I can not get over how brilliant every aspect of this series is. The only fault it has imo are the hamfisted "Did you know the soviet union was BAD?" moments.
So, you only mentioned this in passing, but one thing I'm hoping you could explain in more detail is the idea that you can't have a housing market without homeless people.
If there are more homes than people, then the market has supply, and if at least some of the population has reason to move to different homes, then there's demand in the market as well. I'm sure there are practicalities that get in the way of this platonic ideal, but on the surface I see no inherent reason that the existence of a housing market requires the existence of homeless people.
Apologies if I misrepresented your argument, I readily admit that I'm uneducated on this topic and I'm just hoping to learn more!
Great video, by the way! Your production value is incredible. :)
Well that would be a "housing market" that basically has nothing to do with our curent one. In your version basically the different houses compete to be inhabited. Are you talking bout high dense/demand areas? That would again produce homelessness
I think the argument is that housing is a basic need, and so demand for it is always based on someone lacking a basic human need. It seems like what you're saying is you could have a housing market in second homes, where everyone has a place to live and if you're richer you want to buy more places to live. I think the guy also made a video on the housing crisis so.
He made a video about this already.
Great question, and one that I was actually trying to find an answer to as well. From my own, limited understanding, the problem is accumulation. There could theoretically be a housing market without homeless people, if it wasn’t possible to make money off of housing, but then it wouldn’t really be a housing market.
The demand of the market is far higher than the demand of the individuals. For example, a dude who already owns a house, is willing to pay 100k because he thinks the price will go up and he can sell it at a profit. Meanwhile, someone else who is homeless can only offer 70k. The market caters to what the wealthiest can spend, not what the poorest need.
@@emmettfountain8658 If you're homeless w/ 70k you're an eccentric. You can get a small home for 10k here though gentrification is currently pushing price (renting, too) up.. js 70k's a LOT of $!
Me: Eat the Rich!
Olly Thorne: Here's a concise and philosophically justifiable argument on exactly why masticative consumption of the wealthy is desirable, inevitable and morally defensible.
I'll bring the napkins. You can never have too many napkins.
I will be stealing the phrase, "masticative consumption."
@@MissAshley42 I'll bring the paper plates and the picnic blanket.
Except that you’re both wrong. Acquiring resources selfishly is perhaps the highest moral action.
@@Thindorama I was a teenage Randroid once. You'll grow out of it.
A rule in my school is "hair must be neatly groomed in a conservative style" which is... interesting
what is considered conservative hairstyle anyway
@@eruno_ Anything adopted by the conservatives. They even want to control your hair! It's political correctness gone mad, I can tell you that 😎😋
Jeez. So is the "Richard Spencer" acceptable?
What about socialist hairstyles? North Korea made an entire documentary about those!
24:10 I love how they get his suit all dirty.
Me looking at memes: We live in a society ...
Margaret Thatcher with red glowing eyes: THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SOCIETY
Nope, you will never be an old man. You will be an old woman actually.
lol, yeah. As soon as I heard her say that, I was like "Liar!"
I am pretty sure everything can change yet again, I don't care if he gonna be old hamster, just so we are all alive to joke about it...
@@user-yo5ee5kx4y *she
If you consider the etymology of the word "man", meaning "human", then... Yes. 🤔
But yeah, I smiled too.
>Thatcher quote
Doesn't make sense cuz people don't live in isolation
>Adds context to quote
Still doesn't make sense for the same reason
PeetDeReet seems to me the point is that society is not a conscious being but made up out of individuals who all have their own wants and needs? Seems a pretty accurate reflection of reality
@@benwil6048 her point is "don't expect the government to fix the problems we caused, peasants"
captain chef the only thing the host should do is stay out of the way of the people and let them live
captain chef ic in that case she should have taken responsibility for her fuck-ups
@@benwil6048 Having individual wants and needs forces me to work together with others to satisfy both mine and theirs. And through that process emerges a society and politics and all that shit. Thatcher solved. ez
To think that Abigail made this amazing video and fooled us with her character is truly a statement of her acting abilities
YOU CAN’T MAKE ME WAIT FOR THIS TO START THEN START A TWO MINUTE TIMER, YOU CAN’T PLAY WITH MY HEART LIKE THIS-
that's on youtube's end btw
@@slaughterround643 fucken capitalists
Pretty sure they do that for the ads.
hahah, man, using that track from Danger 5 makes me so happy.
i have been binging your videos, and while the content is superb and stands on its own absolutely, it's those little nods that take it next level now and then. like the sonicfox joke you made in the other video.
you're amazing, thank you for being you.
Hey Jeremy, I love to see you here, out of context, commenting on this lovely channel. Btw. you are amazing as well :-)
Omg jeremy? hello!
We definitely need a new Personal Responsibility: Covid Edition video, I know that's one of the topics she's mooted on patreon
also I watched this video the day it came out in a youth hostel in Chicago where I'd driven to see the Lizzo concert, which turned out to be the last time I watched live music, RIP crying forever. Also if the guy that works at the Amorino Gelato in Chicago happens to be reading this, I love you and thank you so much for your winks and extra ice cream
I have a family friend who's had three different types of cancer (and might have a fourth), and doesn't have any genetic predisposition towards cancer. But he's German, and was in Berlin during the Chernobyl accident. He says they were sent to play outside because a warm wind was blowing from the east, and no one knew why.