Started getting into FPV with my sons about three months ago, to start we purchased 2 x King Kong Tiny 6s (+Taranis X9D). After watching this video we upgraded from BF 3.0.1 to 3.2.4 firmware and followed the Project Mockingbird guide. The transformation is simple amazing. Thx JB.
Hey JB! Hope you are feeling better! Thanks for making this video. About to get my tiny whoop beta75 brushless in the mail! I hope this works as good with the brushless beta! Keeping my fingers crossed.
Angle mode is like traction control on a race car. Helps it go fast without spinning out. I fly my tiny whoop in angle mode indoors and acro on 2 s outside. It’s beyond my skills to run acro through my course in the house. If I use acro indoor I end up crashing a whole lot more. Lol. It’s soo much fun. Thanks again Joshua for such a great video. You got me away from the DJI stuff into fpv. It’s cheaper and way more fun. And me being a electrical engineer fixing and building them are fun I enjoy building stuff. And if you build it your gonna know how to repair it no problem. Keep it up JB!!!!
Dude ... thanks a lot every time I look for information about my (flying) walk in the drone and mini-drone world. I always find answers or a way to solve problems. Long live your channel !!! hugs...
Wow- Thanks! Just did this on my Betafpv 65S in Betaflight and on my Radiolink tx and what a difference it makes flying around the house! Love that throttle mix!
I actually followed the link to the Project Mockingbird doc from your original interview with Jesse and I could immediately feel the difference. I can easily zoom in and out of my dining room chairs and even a car seat handle without any issue in Angle mode now. I could never do it on Rate mode with my Whoop earlier.
The Mockingbird settings improved my betafpv acro steez significantly. It feels much closer to what I'm used to in simulator now. Much thanks for the insights.
This made my crazybee v1 modified blade inductrix work 1000 times better after following this! Thanks so much. I also added a 30% mix for the yaw axis and that also made a positive impact of the flight characteristics. Awesome stuff.
Just bought a little quad and about to apply everything you said here. I reviewed the Mockingbird first, then found your "interpretation" of it :0) I always learn from your little nuances mentioned during the videos. Like the mixing, and absolute value of the Elevator and Aileron settings. Thank you for what you do.
NICE! I've been so busy at work I haven't had a chance to do the "official" video setup version, but this is great! BTW, Joshua, for your race tomorrow, make sure you try turning OFF "RC Interpolation"...yeah, OFF! It adds another layer of precision, getting rid of that latency and brushed motors don't seem to freak out (lack of active braking??), and I've found setting D Setpoint weight and transition to 1 gives me the feel I like for racing. Looking forward to your race video, and hopefully XaviFPV blows everyone off the track. :)
Great tutorial! I set my Acrobee V2 up right along with your walk through a couple nights ago and frankly the result is astonishing. I really didn't expect it to be that dramatic. Sure enough, the thing just flies straight and fast like my TWRs but with possibly better throttle control! I can do fast whip around turns without dropping altitude much at all, and wide banking turns similarly. Really woke up the Beebrain! I also have a bunch of other whoop size quads I want to try this on now.
Josh, thanks so much for this. I’m new to the hobby. I bought a Tiny 6 to fly in my apartment until the NY winter ends. I have been grinding away trying to learn FPV and rate mode indoors, in a 15x15 room. I was under the impression that rate mode was the way all the pros fly. It’s nice to hear that even the best fly these little guys in angle mode. I’m gonna head over to Project Mockingbird and reset mine and see how it works. I’ll leave the hardcore rate stuff until spring and hopefully a 5” quad for the summer.
Just finished tuning my acrobee beebrain v2 with project MockingBird, and i gotta say, wow what a flying difference versus the stock tune, right off the bat was able to perform faster than usual laps around my house track in angle. Impressive! I normally fly acro so this was a interesting change of pace, acro felt more responsive as well. Massive thanks to JB and Project MB! TW Setup: - BeeBrain v2 stack - Gold motors - upgraded cockroach frame - 250mah HV batteries - RakonHeli props
The BladeInductrix Fpv was and is by far the most enjoyable of them all, I know I'll get slack for this, but I've been through my fair share of tiny whoops
Such a cool idea. I got my first "tiny whoop" the other day to see what all the hubbub is about. It's been a ton of fun, but I couldn't get used to angle mode so I'm in airmode. Airmode can be tough indoors, so Project Mockingbird is perfect!
Hi Josh! A very big thankyou for doing this vid as I was naiive enough to think when my DSM2/DSMX compatible QX-65 came I would be able to just bind it and fly!!! as i'm definitely not a software geek, your vid took it from something completely unflyable to being steady as a rock!
TY so much for this JB!! I ended up doing this with my tinyhawk (MockingHawk?) It flies sooooooo much better than out of the box. I just changed very few settings and now it corners like it's on rails. I never thought to use the mixer to bump throttle on the pitch/roll axis. Now if I could just figure out the mixer on a Taranis for flybar helis.
***PSA*** Increasing angle limit to around 75 or 80 lets you really get some speed going and still feels locked in since the strength of angle mode is so high. I've been flying on the mockingbird setup for around a month now with that minor adjustment and it's awesome!!!!
Hi Joshua, I have been playing with a similar setup on my 3" don't forget to reverse your motors. the torque on the front motors will assist in yaw so as for example rolling/banking right spools up left front motor. I have been playing with raising angle limit and lowering strength and transition.
OMG, doesn't time fly. 😳 The beard that JB has now definitely suits him. It makes him look a bit tougher and meaner. I won't tell anyone that JB's a kind, Liberaly minded cool guy with a heart of gold. Your secret is safe. 😁
Could not think of a better timing, I just began flying my Kingkong Tiny 6 a few days ago. I threw in the mockingbirds settings and yes, it flies way better! I only fly it in angle mode so I disregarded the settings for horizon and acro. I didn't set any mixing either, I prefer to do it myself when flying. But yeah, great tutorial, many thanks to you, Joshua, and to the Mockingbird project! PS: You've had this sick voice for too long, you're not taking care of yourself but you should.
King Prawno yep that’s weird, double check and if that doesn’t work, go back to your previous settings and apply the mockingbird ones, one at a time, check at each step. My tiny 6 is out of the box, shouldn’t be different from yoiurs
I took these settings from this and applied it to my BetaFPV 65s. Seems to work as they are straight out, even though the PID's are nearly double what they were. Seems to be flying really well though, handling much better at the lower voltages. It is almost like it holds it together till the last moment, and you fall out of the sky.
I applied the Mockingbird settings to 2 BetaFPV based "whoops". They both fly better than they used to. I also applied the same to my RakonHeli "brushless whoop" and I'm having tons of fun with it :)
Frederic Jean I just did this with my betafpv whoop and I'm getting a lot of twitching when holding at level and throughout the flight. Did you experience this as well?
Holy Cow. Do It right now! I've never flown the stock board, but these angle mode settings are amazing compared to whatever settings I was wasting my life with 25 minutes ago (I haven't really flown the new acro or horizon yet).
Did the mockingbird upgrade last week and LOVE it. Vids coming soon. My eachine e010s flys so much better now, plus I upgraded the motors to the rdq 18.3k motors. They are sweet. Way More power than the stock 59000rpm motors.7mm betafpv 65s coming soon. Woo.
fuck yeah i have learned something today. thx jb for your video/s and shout out to the guy who figured out forgot his name you are the man! never flewn an inductrix but i know project mockingbird is the best thing that could happen to a betaflightbased fc. all the best from germany.
HOLY PROP!!!! I had so many doubts.... Well ok, I thought there will be some difference, but Oh My Joshua, this micro that I bought just freaking woke up!!!! I have Tiny6 (made by KINGKONG/LDARC) from BG and it flew ok (considering to what I expected) but: - it wasn't stable in low altitude (it was just wobbling in the turbulences) - sometimes it just got random twitches during hover - it was drifting randomly (even when I calibrated accelerometr and trimed it, it just drifted to different direction every flight) - it had relatively acceptable propwash handeling on altitude drops (but still far from perfect) After setting this Tiny6 accordingly to Project Mocking Bird, it just flies perfectly! I flashed BF to version 3.3.0 and I added third AUX switch with which I can reduce Pitch, Roll and Yaw sensitivity to 100, 50 and 30 % so I can handle it to my friends and they can control the drone because it's less sensitive with these dual rates (I didn't want to mess with those rates which are written in Project Mocking Bird because then I would have to modify throttle management in mixer of transmitter on roll and pitch... and I like to sometimes have the drone more agile).
Just went through this setup. Flys much better than I expected and is much more predictable than before. Very close to my inductrix. Only issue that I am having is that the motors are getting crazy hot now.
This feels great! great walkthrough, the yaw is a bit twitchy for me so i added a bit of expo, other than that i didnt know my whoop could feel this locked and on rails!!
So I just got the Beta75 X. And I did this same setup for it. That I’ve done on all my whoops since I saw this video. Wow 😲 I think I need to tone it down a bit. Thing is crazy
Awesome video as always. Going to give this a while on two BeeBrainV2's I have, one of which is on 65mm frame w/ 0716 motors; and the other being 75mm 0820. I suspect the mix weight will need to be reduced a little bit. We'll see!
Tried these PIDs on a 66mm Rakonheli 2s brushless 0703 12000kv motors Super_S FC 6a 4 - in -1 ESC TBS Tiny Whoop props Absolute beast. Way more torque. Can do acro outdoors well.
Hi, thanks for the video. I have done the mod to both my tiny ducted drones, E010 and E011 type frame, and I think the mix mod and angle rate change to linear did the trick, they both fly alot better in angle, much more floaty and more controll. I am trying to get horizon to feel more like mode 2 on a toy drone, since I use to have that tweaked pretty good, and was able to do flips and rolls better. Now it just death rolls, wich sucks. The mockingbird mod is amazing for racing, and the horizon mode feels more like angle for shure. It is a great starting point for tweaking to your own prefference
Great video!! Got this set up and it rips!! QUESTION OF THE DAY?????? You brought up flying with friends is the best fun with these. New pilot question is how do you set up different channels for everyone's video so you don't get other peoples. Maybe a possible video idea???
Hey Josh, do you have a video explaining the curve functions and the symbols and what they mean? I'm new and have never got in to my taranis like that. But would love to learn.
Hi Joshua, first, I really love your channel, awesome work! Learned a ton from your in-depth reviews and tutorials. Hope this full time thing works out for you, enjoy and good luck! On this one, are you sure the in-flight adjustment are setup correctly the way you are showing it? My understanding of how these adjustments work is that e.g. in your setup switching AUX3 to angle mode at 1000 would trigger/enable the adjustment, then the rate profile would be selected based on the AUX3 position, low (1000) -> profile 1, mid (1500) -> profile 2, high (2000) -> profile 3. In other words, the 'is in rang' turns the adjustment on, then the channel chosen as 'via channel' selects the rate profile. (Then one could save the adjustment made using stick command throttle/yaw/pitch low, roll high when disarmed, doesn't matter here we want this always on - thus the whole range could actually be selected as 'is in range'). The 'Slot' selection only matters when doing concurrent adjustments via the same channel, does not define which profile is selected. So with your modes setup of having angle at AUX3 low, you should see profile 1 being selected when enabling angle mode, but you want the linear rates configured in profile 2. Patrick had his angle mode on mid position, thus it worked for him. If angle mode is low, profile 1 should be the linear rates; if angle mode is high profile 3. I went through setting up a beecore V2 FC using Patrick's Project Mockingbird description myself recently and ran into the same issue. If I recall it right, Patrick had some comments about this in his document, too. Please correct me if I am wrong..... Greetings from Germany, Matt
Ok, good. It would fly in any case just not with the intended linear rates. Anyway, guess I am trying to say if anybody following this does not get the linear rates when flicking the switch to angle mode, it might help to swap the rate profiles. There is another video that shows it with linear rates as profile 1: ruclips.net/video/b3OR-DD5Gbc/видео.html at about 5:55. That guy has angle mode low and the linear rates in profile 1. As me he is on Spektrum, but I don’t see how that would matter as this is an FC thing. Again, thanks a lot for your content!
Hi Joshua just wondering if you'd consider doing a follow up video for this , im sure many others out there like myself would appreciate your thoughts on the results of this as you seemed slightly sceptical about a few of the settings. I've never flown an inductrix but i feel my ' tiny 6' flies pretty much spot on already (Obviously personal preference is a big factor here). Thanks
I pasted in the diff all from project mocking bird, wound ip with a rapidly spinning acrobee lite. I took it back this to stock, as I don’t understand this stuff enough.
When I "Change to PT1 and turn off all notch filters" my Qx65 starts to oscillate pretty bad for the 1st 30 seconds or so. When I put them back to stock, they stop. is PT1 an optional thing or are other settings reliant on this step?
I have a Tiny 6 running betaflight and I rock it in acro out side but in horizon in doors. I found that after seeing 2 different inductrix drones and the Tiny 6 kills the inductrix performance wise. It is all about knowing how to tune a brushed fc. You can go into it thinking its like a brushless. Throw that shit out of your head when tuning a whoop.
Please help!!! I followed the instruction you gave for the project mockingbird on my custom micro drone (tiny whoop). It was flying okay before I changed the settings but now after using the project mockingbird setting I have a few problems. I am noticing I am getting about half the thrust I used to get. Also my flight time decreased from 2 min to about a min. Do you have any suggestions? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Motors: Turnigy D0703-12000KV Brushless Micro-Drone Motor (1.9g) Flight tower: FSD306 1S 6A Teeny Flight Tower Props: BETAFPV 3-blade 40mm props Camera: Turbowing TX25 2-in-1 Micro 700TVL FPV Camera Receiver: FLYSKY FS - A8S 2.4GHz 8-channel Mini Receiver Body: Custom 3D printed body I designed myself
Not sure if this helps much but i tried doing it with my ' tiny 6' and had very poor results. Im pretty sure ive had to flash back to 3.17 with pretty much default settings to get mine to fly how i like , i also prefer to use horizon rather than angle mode. Keeping in mind that you are running brushless motors these settings will no doubt be a mile off.
Used to do this on my whoops with the throttle mix in angle. Only way to make em feel like a stock inductrix. Feels very similar to an Inductrix and gets that "point and go" Inductrix feeling back. I do prefer acro/air, personally. What are your thoughts on the bigger motor ducted style quads? The 7mm brushed motors are pretty great and provide that little bit of ooomph you wish even the high kv 6mm had.
After going through this, my Kingkong Tiny-6 flies like on rails! I have the feeling that the mixer stuff should not only apply for Angle mode? Makes that sense? Anyhow Angle mode flying indoor with the Tiny-6 is perfect now - thanks Joshua to bring this to our attention!
Josh - I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on acro vs. angle in micro brushed quads. You're new to them with little prior bias, and fairly objective, and I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the supposed advantages that you can't win a micro brushed quad race flying acro. I've been racing micro brushed for two years, and our local multiGP chapter has had every single micro brushed race in the last two years won exclusively by pilots flying acro. When you tell that to people in the Tiny Whoop community they look at your like you're crazy. I look forward to your thoughts.
Thanks for all the info that you offer! Question, and forgive me if this is a stupid one, but i'm still learning, but have some experience with BF, and I just picked up a KingKong Tiny 6 and was wondering if this could be applied to this as well? Thanks!!
Interestingly enough I am a thumbs pilot. However I found that the given angle rates were really really jittery. So I've just tried what I believe to be is a hybrid pinch, and actually dose rates make a heck of a lot of sense. I don't know if that's quite an obvious thing and I'm just late to the game but I think there might be something and this pinching business!
Hi I have a Eachine Qx65 that I have flashed to 4.0.1. The quad binds, the quad arms, even displays in the OSD as armed. The blue light flickers on the board with stick input. The Reciever tap in Betaflight responds to all inputs. The problem is, is the motors do not turn on with throttle input, even after being armed. Any thoughts ?
Are you still fighting a cold. Appreciate the dedication. Don't mean to bother but i can't wait for battery testing. I need to know if i should change from Tattu to whatever is better lol.
Good walk through as usual Josh. The Mockingbird setup made my aero bee fly well. I did notice that when i go into adjustments to set the rates to different modes, that choosing slot 1, 2, or 3 made no difference where the rate was on my mode switch. Rate 1 on Aux2 ( mode switch ) slot 2 aux 2 for stable mode rateprofile selection, is always at the bottom of the three position switch, rateprofile 2 middle switch, and rateprofile 3 top of the switch. I already had betaflight 3.2.3 on it, but i decided to re-flash firmware again thinking possible, something was corrupted. I ended up with the same results so for now i just went in and switched the rate profiles around so they would coincide with my mode switch position. As confusing as that all sound i was wondering if you or anyone els ran into the same issue? Thank you for all the great information you provide. I really enjoy watching your channel.
I really wish, and looking for a micro quad that does freestyle in acromode but still is super light and non damaging in indoor environment with prop protection. Also brushless motors. Not going back to brushed and their constant expense of replacement. Something that runs 2S. Was looking at those 20mm F4FC+4/1ESC+VTX. Am I asking the impossible?
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Started getting into FPV with my sons about three months ago, to start we purchased 2 x King Kong Tiny 6s (+Taranis X9D). After watching this video we upgraded from BF 3.0.1 to 3.2.4 firmware and followed the Project Mockingbird guide. The transformation is simple amazing. Thx JB.
I gotten tiny 7 and tiny 7x. Would you recommend to do all the changes? I am sceptical about turning off the filters. Shorter motor life?
Hey JB! Hope you are feeling better! Thanks for making this video. About to get my tiny whoop beta75 brushless in the mail! I hope this works as good with the brushless beta! Keeping my fingers crossed.
Angle mode is like traction control on a race car. Helps it go fast without spinning out. I fly my tiny whoop in angle mode indoors and acro on 2 s outside. It’s beyond my skills to run acro through my course in the house. If I use acro indoor I end up crashing a whole lot more. Lol. It’s soo much fun. Thanks again Joshua for such a great video. You got me away from the DJI stuff into fpv. It’s cheaper and way more fun. And me being a electrical engineer fixing and building them are fun I enjoy building stuff. And if you build it your gonna know how to repair it no problem. Keep it up JB!!!!
I'm loving these nearly everyday uploads! It's been great to have you full time.
I hate to say it, but i've been uploading nearly daily for over 2 years.
Lol
+Joshua Bardwell how can u do that?
These settings work sooo well! Thanks for the walk through. I even learned about a few tricks I didn't know my Taranis could do.
Thanks for the link in your whoop interview video, I set this up last weekend and my micro-brushed is now fun again. 😁
Dude ... thanks a lot every time I look for information about my (flying) walk in the drone and mini-drone world. I always find answers or a way to solve problems. Long live your channel !!! hugs...
Glad it's helping!
Man, the mockingbird setup is awesome, I have had it setup on mine for two weeks and have loved it. It honestly helped lock in my flying
Thanks JB. I heard about Mockingbird from your interview with Jesse and loaded it up straight away. Had my best flights since !
Wow- Thanks! Just did this on my Betafpv 65S in Betaflight and on my Radiolink tx and what a difference it makes flying around the house! Love that throttle mix!
I actually followed the link to the Project Mockingbird doc from your original interview with Jesse and I could immediately feel the difference. I can easily zoom in and out of my dining room chairs and even a car seat handle without any issue in Angle mode now. I could never do it on Rate mode with my Whoop earlier.
The Mockingbird settings improved my betafpv acro steez significantly. It feels much closer to what I'm used to in simulator now. Much thanks for the insights.
This made my crazybee v1 modified blade inductrix work 1000 times better after following this! Thanks so much. I also added a 30% mix for the yaw axis and that also made a positive impact of the flight characteristics. Awesome stuff.
Tried theses settings on my Makerfire65. Now it flies may much better! Thank you for the walk through and Project Mockingbird!!
Just bought a little quad and about to apply everything you said here. I reviewed the Mockingbird first, then found your "interpretation" of it :0) I always learn from your little nuances mentioned during the videos. Like the mixing, and absolute value of the Elevator and Aileron settings. Thank you for what you do.
this video should get an award
NICE! I've been so busy at work I haven't had a chance to do the "official" video setup version, but this is great!
BTW, Joshua, for your race tomorrow, make sure you try turning OFF "RC Interpolation"...yeah, OFF! It adds another layer of precision, getting rid of that latency and brushed motors don't seem to freak out (lack of active braking??), and I've found setting D Setpoint weight and transition to 1 gives me the feel I like for racing.
Looking forward to your race video, and hopefully XaviFPV blows everyone off the track. :)
Well unfortunately, HeadsUpFPV was there that day, so he pretty much blew us all off the track.
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Perfect timing Joshua - I just fitted a furibee f3 32bit f/c into my boldclash B03 today. Can't wait to try this - thanks a bunch
Catching up on my YT subs this weekend... What a fine instructional video! Thanks for posting such valuable content!
Great tutorial! I set my Acrobee V2 up right along with your walk through a couple nights ago and frankly the result is astonishing. I really didn't expect it to be that dramatic. Sure enough, the thing just flies straight and fast like my TWRs but with possibly better throttle control! I can do fast whip around turns without dropping altitude much at all, and wide banking turns similarly. Really woke up the Beebrain! I also have a bunch of other whoop size quads I want to try this on now.
Josh, thanks so much for this. I’m new to the hobby. I bought a Tiny 6 to fly in my apartment until the NY winter ends. I have been grinding away trying to learn FPV and rate mode indoors, in a 15x15 room. I was under the impression that rate mode was the way all the pros fly. It’s nice to hear that even the best fly these little guys in angle mode. I’m gonna head over to Project Mockingbird and reset mine and see how it works. I’ll leave the hardcore rate stuff until spring and hopefully a 5” quad for the summer.
Made WthRealChz let me know how you get on dude I have the same whoop 😊
Just finished tuning my acrobee beebrain v2 with project MockingBird, and i gotta say, wow what a flying difference versus the stock tune, right off the bat was able to perform faster than usual laps around my house track in angle. Impressive! I normally fly acro so this was a interesting change of pace, acro felt more responsive as well. Massive thanks to JB and Project MB!
TW Setup:
- BeeBrain v2 stack
- Gold motors
- upgraded cockroach frame
- 250mah HV batteries
- RakonHeli props
Yep, this is a page in the books, BAM! Thanks Joshua!
The BladeInductrix Fpv was and is by far the most enjoyable of them all, I know I'll get slack for this, but I've been through my fair share of tiny whoops
Such a cool idea. I got my first "tiny whoop" the other day to see what all the hubbub is about. It's been a ton of fun, but I couldn't get used to angle mode so I'm in airmode. Airmode can be tough indoors, so Project Mockingbird is perfect!
Thanks so much, I tried to do this 2 weeks ago and got lost on page 10..This was so much better.. Great job
Hi Josh! A very big thankyou for doing this vid as I was naiive enough to think when my DSM2/DSMX compatible QX-65 came I would be able to just bind it and fly!!! as i'm definitely not a software geek, your vid took it from something completely unflyable to being steady as a rock!
Awesome walk through!! Big ups to JB and Project Mockingbird!
hc 100 want to check out mine?
ruclips.net/video/b3OR-DD5Gbc/видео.html
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TY so much for this JB!! I ended up doing this with my tinyhawk (MockingHawk?) It flies sooooooo much better than out of the box. I just changed very few settings and now it corners like it's on rails. I never thought to use the mixer to bump throttle on the pitch/roll axis. Now if I could just figure out the mixer on a Taranis for flybar helis.
Thanks for all you do for this hobby.
Wow! I copied those settings directly onto my BetaFpv 75. I use a 450 mah HV Lipo. This is amazing now. It has never flown so well. Thanks :)
Thank you for the walk through! I’ve been meaning to read that document all day!! I just ordered a Betaflight board so will be trying this out!
***PSA*** Increasing angle limit to around 75 or 80 lets you really get some speed going and still feels locked in since the strength of angle mode is so high. I've been flying on the mockingbird setup for around a month now with that minor adjustment and it's awesome!!!!
Mega awsome video. Thanks, can't wait to test it out, on both my whoops. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks to Project Mockingbird for this.
I just did it and it flies great. Nuff respect
never mind Joshua i watched ur tiny whoop accelerometer video and its al good now. thank u
I allways learn something when i watch your videos :) good work man keep it up
I cleared my throat like 30 times for you throughout this video
I'm just getting in to all this and I'm pretty excited to try this out on my Q7!! Thanks!
Hi Joshua, I have been playing with a similar setup on my 3" don't forget to reverse your motors. the torque on the front motors will assist in yaw so as for example rolling/banking right spools up left front motor. I have been playing with raising angle limit and lowering strength and transition.
OMG, doesn't time fly. 😳 The beard that JB has now definitely suits him. It makes him look a bit tougher and meaner. I won't tell anyone that JB's a kind, Liberaly minded cool guy with a heart of gold. Your secret is safe. 😁
Worked great on my newbee whoop also...thanks jb , tried to come fly at brooks run when u was in atl but had to work....thanks again
Could not think of a better timing, I just began flying my Kingkong Tiny 6 a few days ago.
I threw in the mockingbirds settings and yes, it flies way better!
I only fly it in angle mode so I disregarded the settings for horizon and acro.
I didn't set any mixing either, I prefer to do it myself when flying.
But yeah, great tutorial, many thanks to you, Joshua, and to the Mockingbird project!
PS: You've had this sick voice for too long, you're not taking care of yourself but you should.
La Julasse I must have done something wrong as my tiny 6 flies like crap after following the guide. Will need to check the settings.
King Prawno yep that’s weird, double check and if that doesn’t work, go back to your previous settings and apply the mockingbird ones, one at a time, check at each step.
My tiny 6 is out of the box, shouldn’t be different from yoiurs
Tried this out on a Tiny6 and it works great!
Thanks for the knowledge. Step by step vids are awesome for the newbie 🤙🏽
I’m gonna try this when I get home, thanks for the video
I took these settings from this and applied it to my BetaFPV 65s. Seems to work as they are straight out, even though the PID's are nearly double what they were. Seems to be flying really well though, handling much better at the lower voltages. It is almost like it holds it together till the last moment, and you fall out of the sky.
What a great idea
Will try it on my qx95 too
Many thanks Joshua
I applied the Mockingbird settings to 2 BetaFPV based "whoops". They both fly better than they used to. I also applied the same to my RakonHeli "brushless whoop" and I'm having tons of fun with it :)
Frederic Jean I just did this with my betafpv whoop and I'm getting a lot of twitching when holding at level and throughout the flight. Did you experience this as well?
Todd Ackerman it is flying solid for me.
Frederic Jean rewatched and I think I turned off filters in angle mode when they should still be on. Thank you for your reply
Let me know how it goes.
Frederic Jean it worked! Who know following the steps correctly would work.
This is great. Glad I found this. Its alot more responsive now.
Great job on the walk-through setting all that up thank you very much
looking forward to tomorrow thankyou JB
Thank you very much, after changing setup my whoop fly awesome!
Holy Cow. Do It right now! I've never flown the stock board, but these angle mode settings are amazing compared to whatever settings I was wasting my life with 25 minutes ago (I haven't really flown the new acro or horizon yet).
Nice work jb, we're just getting into racing these thank-you
This is perfect. Just finished my beecore v2 build
Did the mockingbird upgrade last week and LOVE it. Vids coming soon. My eachine e010s flys so much better now, plus I upgraded the motors to the rdq 18.3k motors. They are sweet. Way More power than the stock 59000rpm motors.7mm betafpv 65s coming soon. Woo.
Just tried it, holy cow it flies good.
fuck yeah i have learned something today. thx jb for your video/s and shout out to the guy who figured out forgot his name you are the man! never flewn an inductrix but i know project mockingbird is the best thing that could happen to a betaflightbased fc. all the best from germany.
Gonna try that tonight! Thanks a lot!
I’m renaming this video “Joshua Bardwell teaches me how to program my taranis” because wow, I just finally got how the mixer works!
Marc Wasserman .
Lol i have the same feeling too.
When i was watching this movie.
Thanks too !!
1 year after and boom, same here, finally got how mixers work!! Thank you Joshua!
I haven’t watched the whole thing yet and I know I’ll get to learn about mixers just by the comments!!! Dig it!
Thanks Bardwell. It just started raining in California and I’m dusting off my BeeBrain V2!!
HOLY PROP!!!! I had so many doubts.... Well ok, I thought there will be some difference, but Oh My Joshua, this micro that I bought just freaking woke up!!!!
I have Tiny6 (made by KINGKONG/LDARC) from BG and it flew ok (considering to what I expected) but:
- it wasn't stable in low altitude (it was just wobbling in the turbulences)
- sometimes it just got random twitches during hover
- it was drifting randomly (even when I calibrated accelerometr and trimed it, it just drifted to different direction every flight)
- it had relatively acceptable propwash handeling on altitude drops (but still far from perfect)
After setting this Tiny6 accordingly to Project Mocking Bird, it just flies perfectly! I flashed BF to version 3.3.0 and I added third AUX switch with which I can reduce Pitch, Roll and Yaw sensitivity to 100, 50 and 30 % so I can handle it to my friends and they can control the drone because it's less sensitive with these dual rates (I didn't want to mess with those rates which are written in Project Mocking Bird because then I would have to modify throttle management in mixer of transmitter on roll and pitch... and I like to sometimes have the drone more agile).
I have a tiny 7. And tiny 7x. Would you recommend me to copy all the changes?
Tried this on my qx90c out in 10-15 mph wind and it flew awesome.
Thanks for the upload buddy. Appreciated. 😀
Just went through this setup. Flys much better than I expected and is much more predictable than before. Very close to my inductrix. Only issue that I am having is that the motors are getting crazy hot now.
That throttle-roll mix thingy is a feature in Openpilot/Librepilot called Cruise Control.
This feels great! great walkthrough, the yaw is a bit twitchy for me so i added a bit of expo, other than that i didnt know my whoop could feel this locked and on rails!!
So I just got the Beta75 X. And I did this same setup for it. That I’ve done on all my whoops since I saw this video. Wow 😲 I think I need to tone it down a bit. Thing is crazy
Awesome video as always. Going to give this a while on two BeeBrainV2's I have, one of which is on 65mm frame w/ 0716 motors; and the other being 75mm 0820. I suspect the mix weight will need to be reduced a little bit. We'll see!
*give this a whirl
Tried these PIDs on a 66mm Rakonheli 2s brushless 0703 12000kv motors
Super_S FC
6a 4 - in -1 ESC
TBS Tiny Whoop props
Absolute beast. Way more torque. Can do acro outdoors well.
@Joshua Bardwell
my guess is that it does not have active braking and without active braking it is very difficult to overheat the motors.
Niiice, used the Project Mockingbird set up on my Bee Brain v2 (used the new recommendations for Thr adjust via cli commands). Butter...
Going to try this out on my brushless betaflight whoop. I'll let you know how it works out
Good stuff here. I'm planning to do a Mockingbird setup on my other mini.
Hi, thanks for the video. I have done the mod to both my tiny ducted drones, E010 and E011 type frame, and I think the mix mod and angle rate change to linear did the trick, they both fly alot better in angle, much more floaty and more controll. I am trying to get horizon to feel more like mode 2 on a toy drone, since I use to have that tweaked pretty good, and was able to do flips and rolls better. Now it just death rolls, wich sucks. The mockingbird mod is amazing for racing, and the horizon mode feels more like angle for shure. It is a great starting point for tweaking to your own prefference
Great video!! Got this set up and it rips!!
QUESTION OF THE DAY??????
You brought up flying with friends is the best fun with these. New pilot question is how do you set up different channels for everyone's video so you don't get other peoples. Maybe a possible video idea???
ruclips.net/video/uBKajwUM5v4/видео.html
Joshua Bardwell holy crap!!!!! I am going to learn something today!!! Thanks!!!
Hey Josh, do you have a video explaining the curve functions and the symbols and what they mean? I'm new and have never got in to my taranis like that. But would love to learn.
Hi Joshua,
first, I really love your channel, awesome work! Learned a ton from your in-depth reviews and tutorials. Hope this full time thing works out for you, enjoy and good luck!
On this one, are you sure the in-flight adjustment are setup correctly the way you are showing it? My understanding of how these adjustments work is that e.g. in your setup switching AUX3 to angle mode at 1000 would trigger/enable the adjustment, then the rate profile would be selected based on the AUX3 position, low (1000) -> profile 1, mid (1500) -> profile 2, high (2000) -> profile 3. In other words, the 'is in rang' turns the adjustment on, then the channel chosen as 'via channel' selects the rate profile. (Then one could save the adjustment made using stick command throttle/yaw/pitch low, roll high when disarmed, doesn't matter here we want this always on - thus the whole range could actually be selected as 'is in range'). The 'Slot' selection only matters when doing concurrent adjustments via the same channel, does not define which profile is selected.
So with your modes setup of having angle at AUX3 low, you should see profile 1 being selected when enabling angle mode, but you want the linear rates configured in profile 2. Patrick had his angle mode on mid position, thus it worked for him. If angle mode is low, profile 1 should be the linear rates; if angle mode is high profile 3.
I went through setting up a beecore V2 FC using Patrick's Project Mockingbird description myself recently and ran into the same issue. If I recall it right, Patrick had some comments about this in his document, too.
Please correct me if I am wrong.....
Greetings from Germany,
Matt
I set mine up exactly as I show in the video, and it works.
Ok, good. It would fly in any case just not with the intended linear rates.
Anyway, guess I am trying to say if anybody following this does not get the linear rates when flicking the switch to angle mode, it might help to swap the rate profiles. There is another video that shows it with linear rates as profile 1: ruclips.net/video/b3OR-DD5Gbc/видео.html at about 5:55. That guy has angle mode low and the linear rates in profile 1. As me he is on Spektrum, but I don’t see how that would matter as this is an FC thing.
Again, thanks a lot for your content!
Hi Joshua just wondering if you'd consider doing a follow up video for this , im sure many others out there like myself would appreciate your thoughts on the results of this as you seemed slightly sceptical about a few of the settings. I've never flown an inductrix but i feel my ' tiny 6' flies pretty much spot on already (Obviously personal preference is a big factor here). Thanks
It's a big improvement for almost everybody who tries it.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!!
I pasted in the diff all from project mocking bird, wound ip with a rapidly spinning acrobee lite. I took it back this to stock, as I don’t understand this stuff enough.
When I "Change to PT1 and turn off all notch filters" my Qx65 starts to oscillate pretty bad for the 1st 30 seconds or so. When I put them back to stock, they stop. is PT1 an optional thing or are other settings reliant on this step?
If it makes your quad fly bad just don't do it.
Ok, cool thanks. I just didn't know if other settings were dependent on this being changed to PT1 to work properly.
I have a Tiny 6 running betaflight and I rock it in acro out side but in horizon in doors. I found that after seeing 2 different inductrix drones and the Tiny 6 kills the inductrix performance wise. It is all about knowing how to tune a brushed fc. You can go into it thinking its like a brushless. Throw that shit out of your head when tuning a whoop.
I am going to do this when my betaflight inductrix arrives that JB.
Wonder if this will work for brushless ‘whoops’ 🤔. I’ll have to try. Good post👍
Please help!!!
I followed the instruction you gave for the project mockingbird on my custom micro drone (tiny whoop). It was flying okay before I changed the settings but now after using the project mockingbird setting I have a few problems. I am noticing I am getting about half the thrust I used to get. Also my flight time decreased from 2 min to about a min. Do you have any suggestions? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Motors: Turnigy D0703-12000KV Brushless Micro-Drone Motor (1.9g)
Flight tower: FSD306 1S 6A Teeny Flight Tower
Props: BETAFPV 3-blade 40mm props
Camera: Turbowing TX25 2-in-1 Micro 700TVL FPV Camera
Receiver: FLYSKY FS - A8S 2.4GHz 8-channel Mini Receiver
Body: Custom 3D printed body I designed myself
Not sure if this helps much but i tried doing it with my ' tiny 6' and had very poor results. Im pretty sure ive had to flash back to 3.17 with pretty much default settings to get mine to fly how i like , i also prefer to use horizon rather than angle mode. Keeping in mind that you are running brushless motors these settings will no doubt be a mile off.
We have race night at my local hobby store and the 2 guys the win all the time by a huge amount are flying acro
Used to do this on my whoops with the throttle mix in angle. Only way to make em feel like a stock inductrix. Feels very similar to an Inductrix and gets that "point and go" Inductrix feeling back. I do prefer acro/air, personally. What are your thoughts on the bigger motor ducted style quads? The 7mm brushed motors are pretty great and provide that little bit of ooomph you wish even the high kv 6mm had.
After going through this, my Kingkong Tiny-6 flies like on rails! I have the feeling that the mixer stuff should not only apply for Angle mode? Makes that sense? Anyhow Angle mode flying indoor with the Tiny-6 is perfect now - thanks Joshua to bring this to our attention!
Correct. The custom mixing stuff is only for Angle mode.
Josh - I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on acro vs. angle in micro brushed quads. You're new to them with little prior bias, and fairly objective, and I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the supposed advantages that you can't win a micro brushed quad race flying acro. I've been racing micro brushed for two years, and our local multiGP chapter has had every single micro brushed race in the last two years won exclusively by pilots flying acro. When you tell that to people in the Tiny Whoop community they look at your like you're crazy. I look forward to your thoughts.
Thanks for all the info that you offer! Question, and forgive me if this is a stupid one, but i'm still learning, but have some experience with BF, and I just picked up a KingKong Tiny 6 and was wondering if this could be applied to this as well? Thanks!!
Only if it runs Betaflight or Cleanflight.
Very interesting, thanks for the video. Just wondering how what looks like a greenish mouthwash bottle is levitating over your left shoulder?
I am totally ready to try this. I would love to here how the betaflight flew for you after before i go forward. Are you doing a follow up?
Hey Joshua was wondering where you change the settings around on a spektrum remote? I'd really like to know thaanks
What specific remote do you have? Most Spektrum remotes have a screen and buttons. If you have the DXe then it uses a smartphone app.
Interestingly enough I am a thumbs pilot. However I found that the given angle rates were really really jittery. So I've just tried what I believe to be is a hybrid pinch, and actually dose rates make a heck of a lot of sense.
I don't know if that's quite an obvious thing and I'm just late to the game but I think there might be something and this pinching business!
Hi I have a Eachine Qx65 that I have flashed to 4.0.1. The quad binds, the quad arms, even displays in the OSD as armed. The blue light flickers on the board with stick input. The Reciever tap in Betaflight responds to all inputs. The problem is, is the motors do not turn on with throttle input, even after being armed. Any thoughts ?
Are you still fighting a cold. Appreciate the dedication. Don't mean to bother but i can't wait for battery testing. I need to know if i should change from Tattu to whatever is better lol.
Good walk through as usual Josh. The Mockingbird setup made my aero bee fly well. I did notice that when i go into adjustments to set the rates to different modes, that choosing slot 1, 2, or 3 made no difference where the rate was on my mode switch. Rate 1 on Aux2 ( mode switch ) slot 2 aux 2 for stable mode rateprofile selection, is always at the bottom of the three position switch, rateprofile 2 middle switch, and rateprofile 3 top of the switch. I already had betaflight 3.2.3 on it, but i decided to re-flash firmware again thinking possible, something was corrupted. I ended up with the same results so for now i just went in and switched the rate profiles around so they would coincide with my mode switch position. As confusing as that all sound i was wondering if you or anyone els ran into the same issue?
Thank you for all the great information you provide. I really enjoy watching your channel.
I really wish, and looking for a micro quad that does freestyle in acromode but still is super light and non damaging in indoor environment with prop protection. Also brushless motors. Not going back to brushed and their constant expense of replacement. Something that runs 2S. Was looking at those 20mm F4FC+4/1ESC+VTX. Am I asking the impossible?