Do EV's need Fake Engine Noises?
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- Опубликовано: 31 авг 2022
- Marques and Andrew talk about the new Dodge Challenger and how people are going to have to get used to a few things as electric cars become more and more popular.
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The explanation of Fratzonic is that it amplifies the sound from the electric motor through a trumpet not a speaker, but they have to explain more of it yet.
exactly, its not just a speaker box under the car like everyone thinks. That what makes it unique and different.
Exactly!!! Quite frankly I'm a bit disappointed that MKB didn't know that. I came here hoping to find out more details on how they did that. Usually MKBHD get the scoops....🤷🏿♂
THANK YOU!!!
Hmm so just a big whiirrr noise. Reminds me of the blimps from bladerunner.
they should pin a comment with this correction. they're misleading people by leaving this convo up
It should make a noise to help pedestrians and other vulnerable road users be aware of it. It absolutely should not be 126dB though...
Super Loud cars 🚗 are inherently damaging to peoples mental health in urban environments as well. I believe past 20MPH the tires 🛞 contribute to most of the noise that the low speed artificial noise can go away.
A lot of combustion engine vehicles are completely silent at low speeds, I have a 2020 CT6 and it's silent when I'm driving unless I'm flooring it. There shouldn't be a mandate for that.
@@TrustedInsaller It is quiet until you drive an Fully electric car.
@@wasteofusername1 pedestrians and road users should NOT be needed to be aware of cars around them.
They need to focus and BE aware of the road they are walking on.
If everyone starts noticing and pausing for a car when already on the road. That is super dangerous.
And yes, the car SHOULD be focusing on driving properly ON THE ROAD. If any car were to cause an accident just because they aren't focusing then they are essentially a road Hazzard.
Yes it should.
I love the sound of sports cars and muscle cars because it’s produced by the exhaust system and it’s engine.. it feels powerful, that goes away completely when you’re just playing a sound on a speaker
Although I love the sound of V10s, the irony is the louder the engine the less efficient it is.
That’s the thing, Dodge really isn’t normal. I’m certain moving from ICE monsters to EVs must feel scary. I’m glad they are doing all this craziness. If anything it’ll keep them in the news and that’s definitely good for something.
I think you guys are underestimating how important the tactile experience is when driving a muscle car. It’s not just the sound. The sound creates a vibration, that you feel and makes you one with the car. Dodge has the right idea, and I bet more companies will adopt these same ideas.
That sounds like an Atlantic article I read recently about how driving stick shift makes people more connected with the car. They aren't just driving their car, they are _operating_ their car.
I make the comparison between operating your vehicle and being transported by a vehicle. This is a clear distinction that's become lost to many people today. The sound aspect is important on multiple levels. An old mechanic my mom use to go to was able to tell what was wrong with her car just by sound. Today that basically lost unless the car is about to explode. As for inside, the man inside would very often feel the vibration of the vehicle and that was most important for stick shifts. Insurance companies often times give cheaper rates for stick shifts because they know that the driver is fully aware of what he is doing and not just passively being transported and have the possibility of zoning out. Automatic transmissions were created to sell to women drives following WWII because most women drivers preferred being transported in there vehicles instead of operating their vehicles.
@@jessecortez9449 insurance is lower for stick shifts because they're less likely to be stolen.
@@Shzl47 that's also true. I've see footage of a car thief try to steal a car and give up once he saw that it was a stick shift.
Fewer and fewer people have learned to drive a stick. I taught driver's ed for years and the drivers school refused to get any manual transmissions because teens wanted the easier way and the others would have just destroyed it. I can't tell you how many times I had to physically turn their heads to get them to check their blindspot because they have way less awareness of their surroundings. People can't use there eyes properly anymore much less there body to operate a vehicle.
@@jessecortez9449 not checking blind spots is an experience issue. You become more aware of things as you drive more. A manual transmission isn't going to fix that.
In Andrew's defense (and as a tesla owner), I've seen so many people trade in their Teslas and go back to ice cars simply because the feel of driving an electric car was so foreign to them that they couldn't grasp their mind fully over to the transition. Anything that can help that group make the leap and get used to the difference in feel will go a long way to getting us where we're headed.
Really? I mean there are still tons of reasons why someone wants ICES, but not being able to drive or it being foreign sounds weird. They must not be able to drive automatics, because it's truly not that different
It's usually price, charging or range related. And general EV hate.
Don’t know any EV driver going back to ice cars…(Europe).
@@aswinhanagal4293 Maybe it's subjective. I had a model 3 for some months before I sold it. Was easy to pick up I felt. Gf said the same.
You have 100% not heard of more than maybe 1-2 people that have done that
@@ChristofferLund well if Tesla was the only FEV available at the time they would probably have to go back to ICE
Andrew makes a lot more sense in this conversation than MKBHD who is just trying to prove his own point correct and is basically mocking all others who would want something different in their own cars.
As a car enthusiast, I don't think electric cars need noise to be fun. It's just that during performance driving, sound is an important piece of feedback. And for anyone who isn't a car enthusiast, having a notable noise is good feedback for pedestrians and those with impaired vision or hearing.
Noise is feedback.
There were never fun🤣
The noise feedback you get from a ICE car is all about the engine, no? So what sound/feedback are you expecting from an electric car that's useful from a performance driving perspective? An external noise is definitely useful and a good safety feature for pedestrians.
Car enthusiasts ENJOY the sound, they like the sound, not the “feedback” 💀
You can use horn,and this car can add extra safety equipments
@@accountforcommenting so
The Dodge noise is ridiculous. However for the hearing impaired and pedestrians be noise is vital for safety
I think you mean vision impaired
@@NoLoseJustLearn thank you
You can hear electric cars though, they’re just not as loud. It’s only on snow that you really have a hard time hearing them.
That's actually not true. The most audible sound of an approaching car is the sound of the tires, not the engine or exhaust (on the majority of modern vehicles).
@@N3c777 In freshly fallen snow it's hard to hear any car that doesn't have a loud "sport exhaust". This is because the most prominent sound of an oncoming modern car is the tire sound, not the engine or exhaust.
It’s not a speaker it’s like they didn’t even read about it. The fratzonic exhaust system takes the motor noise and amplifies it. It’s the sound the car is making. Just like before, but different.
Fake engine noise has got to be the most ridiculous nonsense I’ve ever heard! From my perspective, quietness is one of the best things about driving electric. I won’t go so far as to suggest that “you can’t make a car quiet enough,” but I’ll go with “you can’t make a car too quiet.”
Now, I’m OK with noisemakers for safety in parking lots and such, as long as that sound is barely audible inside the cabin (and most are). In that regard though, we have to remember that a lot of gas cars’ idling engines are super-quiet. So, in my view, the laws should require a certain DB level in parking lots, regardless of drive-train type.
The drag race use case doesn't check out. The reason skill is involved isn't just the duration of the changing of gears, but also a skilled driver will switch from 2nd to 3rd when the rpms to torque ratio is dropping off for the second gear but the 3rd gear ratio is about to start giving peak power. In an EV, doesn't matter which rpm you "switch" at since there isn't a transmission, so you can switch whenever you want and get the max torque
I don’t think dodge is actually using speakers and it’s kinda frustrating to see so many people assuming that when they haven’t even said that it’s speakers. It could very well be the sound from the motors but amplified. I also find it so frustrating that every electric cars have to be all the same. Why can’t they be just like gas cars? Gas cars are fun because of all the things that dodge showed off so I don’t understand why people would hate on that when nobody else is trying to keep muscle alive. I’m VERY excited about the new electric charger. This will be the reason I go electric
I did like the Audi noise from Avengers Endgame. Making the transition to EV I think I’d like to carry over some familiar things to ease the transition.
I do see an opportunity here for sound designers and recording studios to sell EV soundpacks. Imagine a recording of a string quartet reacting to the way the car is driven in an organic way. That would be pretty cool imho (and annoying after a while, hence the idea of being able to buy & swap in new noises)
and then the government passes a new policy/legislation to standardize EV noises and make custom noise illegal. fun ruined. :P
Isn't the end result what we want? Getting more and more people to drive an electric car? I think the sound is a good idea as well as shifting. If you don't want it you can turn it off or build the model through customization through the manufacturer website.
EV cars will cut down noise pollution considerably. There only needs to be a tiny amount of noise
Yeah, wonder where all that electricity is coming from 🤔
@@zhurbichI like how people forgot petrol cars require cobalt, mining and electricity just like electric cars but produce way more emissions due to full ev's being 8x more efficient at using energy but they talk about cobalt used in full ev's and how they use electricity and how they mine stuff and how unethical it is. Like LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE COMPARING IT TOO LMAO! At least full ev's also have the potential to have zero carbon emissions and be fully recyclable!
@@lachlanB323 These people are :- "Imma just pick the points that perfectly support my argument"
@@zhurbich Noise pollution has no relation to actual atmospheric pollution mate
@@zhurbich When you try sarcasm, you gotta be 100% sure you understand the context first
i think there's somewhere in the middle here. EV's should make noise for safety purposes, but not obnoxious sounds. The safety aspect is a real one, I say this from experience. Living in Taiwan there are a lot of electric scooters( and cars) and they are terrifying as both a driver and a pedestrian because no one ever hears you.
the sound is basically using motor pressure to blow through a harmonica. not a speaker.
It sounds like a vacuum plugged into a loose socket.
It would be fun if we could customize the exhaust sound, like your phone ringtone.
Sounds like a nightmare to me. Imagine you are a pedestrian walking down the pavement / sidewalk along a busy street and all you can hear is a discordant cacophony of clashing noises. It would quickly drive you mad.
What's the advantage of a silent car? I think it's more dangerous, especially for any pedestrians.
loud sports cars, trucks, bikes etc. are extremely obnoxious.
@@tobiasyoder So are ugly cars, yet Tesla don't stop
@@tobiasyoder which one are you?
@@WavveBoi is that a subtle joke implying that I’m extremely obnoxious? 😂
all new car have safety features for pedestrians
If anyone remembers the Vince Vaughn movie "The Dilemma" Vince's character is pitching some sort of EV to Dodge and the big turning point Vaughn and Kevin James perfected a fake engine noise to complete the package. So a 2011 film predicted the future.
I was beginning to believe I was the only one who remembered this movie when I commented about it earlier.
There was a Vince Vaughn, Kevin James movie about this with Dodge and the Charger. They had to figure out how to get the audio to pair up with the revving of the Charger EV car. It came out around 2014. It’s so crazy that Dodge is the car company that’s actually doing this.
Meanwhile, trains in US still need to make honk noise that loud to notify people in sleep that they are coming to their town.
I own a 2011 Dodge Challenger R/T. I've always said if I were to buy a new car it would be all electric, I grew up in a Dodge family, the EV looks sick, I initially thought the sound and gear shifting was dumb, But to your points of it easing the transition I totally think they are making the right movies. And the new Charger actually looks like the old 1969 Charger which every Dodge HEAD complained about when they brought the Charger back in the 2000s we all eventually got used to the new look but the fact that they are making this transition and satisfying that want for the car to look more classic is pretty great.
w.r.t. creep / regen / etc -- Toyota solved this 20 years ago when they built the Prius -- they put the regen on the brake pedal. So it will dynamically blend first regen then friction brakes depending on how much you press the brake pedal. Yes this is harder to manufacture, but IMO gives the best UX + efficiency.
Go Dodge! 14:06 - great commentary! “Keep Being Insane”
The conversation around 6:45 reminds me of switching to a sonic care toothbrush. The first time you turn it on, it starts really light, and slowly leans you into the feeling of brushing your teeth with a electric toothbrush
FYI car noise is require by law. It create an awareness there’s a moving vehicle. No noise car was a problem when Prius first came out and people would get hit from time to time
I'd say that it should be like some after market choice for customers. To be honest, especially after hearing the sad news that it will be illegal to drive cars with gasoline engines after 2030s, I'm totally going to miss the engine start up noise. Of course, it should be limited to avoid annoying other people (already has some laws on after market modding), but as long as it is acceptable, it probably should be an add on part, like unbranded rims or custom spoilers.
I didn’t even think about EVs when crossing the street. I rely fully and only on hearing when crossing the street. It totally forgot that EVs are silent
I LOVE that analogy at the end!
The Ioniq 5's 'pedal shifters' are actually a very good idea, it simulates the feel of going through the gears of a sequential gearbox on an engine car, as it simulates engine braking. There is an all-electric race car that has 3 gears to it as well. That on the new ioniq N would actually be really useful for track purposes.
I absolutely love what they are doing because there’s no EV that’s like this. They’re all the same. At least it will feel different. And it’s a coupe with a hatch, all EVs right now are sedans and SUVs. I just feel like once 60% of cars on the road are electric and the road is quiet, these will stand out for folks who miss the sound of an ICE vehicle.
I known people who bought muscle cars specifically for the engine and the raw noise. If they haven’t bought an EV yet, there not gonna
There is still “creep mode” available in Teslas - I use it everyday because for parking it works better for me. ;)
I'm surprised they aren't going the formula E route. If you watch a Forumla E race, the cars have noise, but it's a unique sound that's not just trying to replicate traditional engine noise. Personally, I think it sounds pretty cool.
As an industrial designer in my thesis, this is exactly what its about. But instead, I'm focusing on making the ability for modifications first rather than adding gimmicks like speakers to the car.
You should do an investigation into the transition from horse-drawn carts to cars, and see if we can use the transition as a parallel or prediction for the transition from ICE to elec.
Would be cool to be able to choose your car sound like picking a ringtone 😂
just wait until plug in ecu flash kits come out that turn your exhaust speakers into a bluetooth speaker and you have drivers screaming their soundcloud rappers songs at 126db.
Why couldn’t they wait to understand the system dodge is integrating before they spoke on it, now am confused because the dodge guys explained their transmission design way better
A base amount of auditory feedback, masking of unwanted sounds present in EV interiors, and pedestrian safety concerns will always require some active vehicle sound design and artificial engine sounds in EVs. I believe that these artificial sounds will continue to advance and become more 'pleasing' with generative sound design techniques that will create a more natural cabin soundscape and intriguing external noise. I do agree that there is still much room for improvement and that these sounds shouldn't attempt to 'deceive' drivers or copy ice vehicles, outside of sounding as natural as possible. However, I do not see them as a "gimmick" but rather a fascinating technology that will ease some transitions to EVs and allow for a highly customizable experience.
I think this is going to open up for companies to build a muffler that has sound that comes out of it for electric cars and then you're going to have many many different types. Some are going to be better than others and people are going to be able to attach these to all their electric cars and it's going to go on from there
The paddles do make sense in the ioniq for me at least during the transition since in practice the regen functions sort of adjacent to increased motor braking when downshifting in an ICE car
In a lot of places EV noises are legally mandated, usually to help the blind hear them coming.
I'm not blind, but I've still definitely felt less safe around EVs from not being able to hear them
all new car have safety features for pedestrians
I know EV’s are the future, but I really appreciate all the engineering that goes into an ICE car. It’s just such a visceral experience that feels more exciting and dynamic than just going fast in a straight line. It’s just fun, like how it’s fun to have a manual transmission even though a modern automatic is clearly superior in every way. I guess as a daily driver an EV makes sense, but as a hobby I prefer ICE for now.
Although, someday I’m going to have to make a crazy EV swapped sports car monster and go all cyber punk with a retro aesthetic and modern power plant.
I think it should have engine sound profiles where the engine could sound like a realistic engine or more sci-fi and of course a silent mode. I do think the level of db is a bit much once I heard what it is compared to airplanes
It has its own sound profile. But no engine. So why sound like a engine. 🧀
don't worry marques i mix up challenger and charger too
its another element of styling, but for hearing instead of sight.
there will be terrible sound styling, there will be good, and there will be INCREDIBLE
we haven't heard incredible yet. Once we do, then most people will get how good it can be
There is a very popular debate on EVs that they are not actually doing any good to the environment. We are not using gas, yes but from where the electricity will come if everyone starts using electric car? The measure source of it is Coal. So we came again to the point where we were already.
Can you please give your opinion on this or include this in next podcast.
I'm excited for this vehicle. I've owned 13 cars and most of them have been Sports or Muscle cars. I currently own a 2017 Scatpack Charger. I like the Fratzonic Chamber noise because it gives me "some form" of having a Muscle Car. The EV Charger isn't for everyone. I think of this as Cadillac having the CT5-V Blackwing. This Cadillac isn't for everyone; not even 50% of its customers, but it draws attention to the brand. The EV Charger will draw interests to Dodge, but not necessarily be the leading "Cash Cow" for Dodge. Therefore, I want the sound and simulated gear shifting. If the EV Charger didn't exist, I would've settled for some other EV.
My perfect scenario is to have a Tesla or an electric car as my commutor and then a sports car to have fun with, although I'll never have just an electric car until I'm forced to
Love it how they had the ear sides messed up
Speakers would be fine. How about playing ambient sounds that give the car an aura? Or make it smart where the car would make sound playback when it is reversing, about to make a hard turn, parking, pinging pedestrians, SOS. Stuff like that.
I don’t think dodge is actually using speakers and it’s kinda frustrating to see so many people assuming that when they haven’t even said that it’s speakers. It could very well be the sound from the motors but amplified. I also agree with Andrew that there’s still a pureist category of people
In the end the EV cars are like the e-cigarettes - they claim being better, but it's just a way to paint a bright future when it reinforces all the same issues the originals have.
When backing up, it's a must.
21 year old IT student here... also the owner of a stick shift V8 Mustang. I'm sorry, as much as I love tech, I will never consider buying this.
Personally, I think all EVs should play the ice cream man jingle :D
Imagine Fast and the Furious 20 races with no sound, in autopilot, then runs out of batteries.
You guys gotta make a video on the new koenigsegg cc850s manual and auto transmission. I'd love that video.
They gotta keep something alive for enthusiasts
The thing is that one of the main reason people like the sound of cars, is because it is coming from the power of the engine.
Car sounds aren’t needed in EV’s.
They had a study where back up sounds are becoming nullified because people are so used to hearing them that they just ignore them all together. Same issue with car sounds being so common that nobody notices them anyway.
Loud cars are only cool because they have big V8’s or tuned I6’s that making an EV make sound just irks me since quiet cars means less noise pollution. Ofc we won’t get that because of a false sense of safety in the stupid things.
I am pretty sure that there was a movie about this with Vince Vaughn and Kevin James called The Dilemma
All should have propulsion sounds and futuristic sounds
My manual people know what it feels to slow down when you let off the gas pedal. So I'm personally already used to it
They should have a mechanical exhaust *whistle" which uses the rotation of the motor to push air through some kind of rotating cavities
I want the setting to increase or decrease the amount of regen. I don't have that in the Lightning. I think there are benefits to being able to coast if you aren't using ACC.
I also thought it was speakers, but apparently they use some kind of their own proprietary "EV Muffler" of some kind that makes the noise by amplifying the sound of the electric motor or pushing air through it? I don't know. They didn't explain it in detail. They also want to include a gear box, instead of a single gear like Tesla. I wonder how that's going to be like.
The left and right channels for the outro were flipped from what you said they were.
I don't want noisy vehicles. I have people that ride their dirt bikes down my neighborhood: it is the most obnoxious thing.
I will say a little noise while in neighborhoods is fine. As a runner it helps to hear a vehicle approaching from behind or around a corner.
The reason why this is relevant is the same reason why EV’s were looked down on for so long.
Think about how people Mocked Prius owners.
Think about how you look at the owner of a Tesla Model S P100D Plad (whatever the top of the line Tesla is)
Tesla wowed people that wanted an exciting driving experience from an EV.
It’s gonna take more than a spreadsheet of numbers and info to convince everyone to switch.
There is something beautiful about an enjoyable drive in a car you l love,
Especially if it’s a car that is entraining to drive
I just hope that’s not lost with EV’s
A car is a tool for most people I think. To me it’s so much more that that.
Anything that can preserve that sense of wonder, sentience, and relationship is a positive to me
It's the range for me I travel a lot of and don't feel like waiting 35 to an hr to charge up the vehicle compared to filling up at a station
The car running sound is fine to help people hear you coming, but the rev noise is not needed at all and trash.
Similar to when the first autos came out they were literal horse wagons with engines. And terms from the horse and carriage age still persists today, like the terms dashboard and “horse”power! Like WTF is the pulling power of one horse means to people today?
It's a safety feature that car manufacturers use because it's the most common sound and it connects with vehicles & pedestrians.
tec is a very ration aria of intresting and its very easy to prove one thing is better than other. cars are much more of an emotinal investment and its much more about the felling it gives you that how logical it is and evs do and will wipe the floor in almost every way with ice cars. but it doesnt matter to most peaple. i personly love the sound adds so much more charicter to it and would make driving so much more fun.
I'm a Dodge fan so I may be biased. But I was also skeptical that it was a sound coming out of the speaker, after some digging I found it's the actual motor sound amplified and I think that's really cool and a nice was to try and maintain is character. Fake shifting is weird though lol
Being silent is not advantage, its a very real safety concern
What it is is the motors spinning and an amplifier putting it into the chamber louder and the chamber amplifies it more
In the case of the Challenger / Charger the noise thing is a bit gimmicky, but the truth is that there is a clear difference between a regular user and the user that's a car enthusiast and wants a performance oriented machine. The sound of a car is such a connecting aspect and it's part of the essence of sport oriented vehicles. Porsche made an excellent EV and yet you hear a GT3 hit 9k RPM and it sounds glorious and that feeling is just as valid to want to retain. There are huge wins for EVs, but we're also talking about cars and these machines for many are more than just 0-60 times and super assisted driving with lots of tech.
Some prefer the engagement that comes from shifting, the engine noise, the steering feedback, the bias if it's not AWD.. all these things are extremely valid and if you can't understand it that's totally fine. It's not about it being EV vs ICE it's about the experience of the machine. A lot of people want the comfort, silence and benefits of an EV. However, some also prefer the benefits of an ICE car.
Also...that dodge sounds like a late night cat fight! It sucks. 🤣
So disappointed that in all the coverage I've heard of this Dodge situation on podcasts absolutely no one has brought up that this is the B plot on the Vince Vaughn and Kevin James The Dilema. Like literally they were making a speaker system for Dodge electric cars. I wouldn't be surprised to learn its the same product names and stuff.
I think they’re looking at this as gas cars being inferior to electric cars where for some people buying cars aren’t just about “advantages” a car offers than the other, like for me I’m someone who wants cars that are fun to drive, when im looking for a car like that, i could care less about what advantages that car offers with regen braking or aerodynamics or whatever, electric cars aren’t fun to drives, this is a car for car enthusiasts or people looking for fun in the electric world. I dont think this is something that will go away in the future i belive that there is always gonna be that sports car segment in the ev space thats gonna be loud and be completely stupid as an ev but fun as a car.
The Charger noise isn't 100% fake. It's more organic than you think.
it really does just sound like a vacuum
My EV owning friend said it best: "there's something extremely... intimidating feeling THAT much power being utterly silent."
It's as if the car is so powerful it's indifferent to your existence.
The car reminds me of what was in the movie The Wraith.
Most muscle car fans will not want an EV anyways. These people are V8, manual shifting, rear wheel drive purist. I love the appearance of the new Charger Daytona, I think that the sound is ok, maybe it can be edited, but for a lot of people nothing will beat the sensation of controlling a manual shifter in a combustion engine.
At SEMA next week Dodge will show a different version of this car with a possibly different sound
Dodge chose to see "The Dilemma" as a documentary instead of a RomCom.
the day ice car productions stop will be remembered as the saddest day in the history of the 21st century
The Charger sounds like Darth Vader's car!!🤣
it's not simulated shifts, they are going to have an actual transmission that shifts. It will probably make the car slower or you can just use 1 gear, but the trans will also weigh more.
I can't believe it's called "Fratzonic". Is that the scientific name for "frat boy blaring"? 😂
I keep hearing all this we are going all electric by this date! Yet no one can explain A. Where are you going to get all the rare minerals to make these batteries (there’s only like, 2 mines in the world that are barely keeping up with demand) and B. How are you going to make all that power? I read something about the average household using TWICE the energy with an EV, so I want you to imagine halve of the US households suddenly using 2 times the energy when California could barely keep up with demand this past week
We don't see a problem and say that is problematic and give up. We try to find partial solutions for the short term and complete solutions for the longterm. Yeah, battery components are the thing that is driving the cost high, and they are getting harder to find, but people are trying other stuff for batteries with even better results. There are working batteries that do not contain rare minerals anymore, we just have to figure out how to make them in bulk.
And I don't quite believe that average household using twice the energy. Twice the electricity maybe, but twice the energy? That seems far fetched. We are getting more energy hungry each year, and one of our biggest problems is energy storage for the renewable energy sources. If most cars becomes EVs, and we can use their battery as a powerwall, it is a huge improvement in how we use the grid.
I would prefer to be able to control the engine noises, sometimes I just want quiet.
They should add an on/off feature and different sounds
This is the plot of The Dilemma starring Vince Vaughn and Kevin James.
I think cars having some audible sound is good for safety just because if there is someone who is speeding down a residential neighborhood you'll want to hear them to make sure your kids are pets are safe
i agree ... even i am reliant on the voice of the cars to know if there is a car coming from behind me ... and believe me ...when living in a place with mostly bad drivers ....the sound could safe ur life dude
yeah im agreed with you, because lots of people in my place are using e bike especially kid that use that e bike and yeah you know just how annoying those kids drive the e bike, its more anoying too because theres no sound from the e bike