I am fortunate enough to have both. My wife and I decided to trade my old R1 and newer Tracer for one of each. Got the GSX about two months ago and the Ninja just 4 days ago. They are both exceptionally good. A bit more leg room on the GSX but otherwise very little difference. Neither one will have you wishing for more power. We had a 2012 Ninja 1000 and this newer version is better in every detail. A taller rider might find the Ninja a little bit if a tight fit but that’s not either of us. Truly an embarrassment of riches.
@@dbauernf very smooth. Compared to the 2012 Ninja we had everything about the 23 SX is much more refined. Perhaps a bit smoother than the GSX, which has a more raspy sound, but still feels solid. Honestly, it’s like choosing between two delicious dishes.
@@dbauernf yup Kawasaki is a tad better in top end refinement meanwhile the bomb proof K5 motor of suzuki has some character and feels a bit faster.....try it yourself and choose according to your preferences both are great motorcycles....the brakes are better on the Kawasaki and got a supple ride overall.... suzuki is the sportier choice better on the twistes
Hi, I have owned both bikes, I had the Suzuki gsxs1000Gt for 18 months, I still have the Kawasaki 1000sx ninja, My thoughts are the Suzuki good points comfortable riding position on a long journey, better TFT good on fuel 53 mpg , more leg room for taller riders , bad points, poorer, brakes, The sat nav is not worth the hassle using it you have to key in your journey ( better with a garmin) The Kawasaki 1000sx ninja good points good riding position better brakes, handles like a sports bike more flickable in the bends, feels lighter than the Suzuki once the bike is moving. Bad points less leg room for taller riders, I prefer the Kawasaki for me as the handling is much better and that was a big plus for me.
Bought the GT this summer for my bday and it was the only black one in the entire Bay Area that I could find. Extremely happy I got it and maaaaan the power is crazy, ride is smooth and just flat out sexy af. The GT also got motorcycle of the year and hell yeah that felt good to hear your bike won! 🎉😊Good job Suzuki.
@@marcosgomez8637 With side cases on its a breeze. Its allinged with the handle bars so your not sticking out or anything. Be safe when you do brother when ever you lane split.
congrats man, i got mine on the same bday conditions for my 50th. Love it love it love it. Got mine in red which makes mine just a tad faster when stopped. Love the black too but that speed difference makes all the difference. =D
I herd Suzuki lowered the gearing. So it tops out max speed at 265. I’d suggest changing the sprockets for the longer gears and less revs on the highway. Might see the fuel economy match the kwaka or even better it
On the Suzuki you won`t have to worry about your gearbox taking a shit. Bulletproof engine. On a Kawasaki it`s a constant worry: "Am i one of the lucky ones or will my gearbox implode at 50.000 km like so many other Z`s?"
Suzuki is a quiet achiever that is quite happy to keep keep doing what they've been doing even if it doesn't set the world on fire and thankfully they're not like the dick heads at Honda that have completely lost touch with their pricing reality and think it's more than fine to sell a 600cc motorbike for $30,000 yet Suzuki can make a 1000 for under $24,000 I used to have a lot of respect for Honda now I think how the mighty Has Fallen😔
Kawasaki is better in this case. I have ridden both. Suzuki engine feels like its over stressed. It is also geared very short. For touring and commuting Kawasaki is much better. If you're a bit enthusiastic or doing track days, suzuki is probably better.
I got my ninja 1000 SX since last may 2022, and it is marvelous for a beginner. Very smooth, the weight is not a issue at all, I ran on rain mode from may to mid-july to be cautious and learn my bike reactions and adapt myself to this bike. Then I could push the bike a bit, and use the road then sport mode. very versatile for long road or city street. very agile. The differences between modes are in the beginning part of the acceleration, so you gain in power and reactiveness while you get less active electronic actions. In first gear from 0 to 105km/h, 100% throttle from start, in rain mode it's progressive and you feel the electronic cutting the start power, very weird sensation but after that it's all the same. In sport mode your wheel make a little wheely like half of the wheel height. Then, for the max speed in rain mode you go to 240 km/h when sport you go to 250 km/h. best to quick shift @10250-10500 rpm. Obviously the pace to get there is different and a bit slower in rain mode than in sport mode. When you take the time to learn how the throttle is sensitive in different mode, you can drive in sport mode even in town, but there is no point doing so in my opinion. Road or rain mode in town is perfect and more than enough. I'm not racing in town, so I ride at a cool pace in rain mode. I put in road mode if I know I will use the highway. On the comfort side, I can't ride more than 2 hours straight, my butt hurt too much and I need to walk to stretch my legs. Paniers do nothing to the balance or the weight of the bike, it feels the same with or without. I noticed a little difference with lateral wind, and it's a bit better without them in that case. FYI it's only 5kg in a panier. Both very easy to remove when you have done it a couple times. The 12 volt DC power is for 20 watts and 3A ampere fuse, so forget to use a compressor for your tires. You can just power a phone and a camera at the same time. Also you need to remove frontale fairing to change this fuse. The usb connector option under the seat is useless, the key to access under the seat is on the left side below the seat. The heated grip works very well.
Bike that you can't ride for more than two hours without stretching your legs etc. shouldn't have a tourer in the description. I had a 2017 model, and an hour was the maximum I could manage without knees and lower back pain. It's great for commuting, though. It looks fantastic and is nimble, but not for long distances. Of course, it's only my opinion based on three years of ownership I'm still thinking of buying the 2022 model at the end of the year
they both r in no way shape or form ST's SMH people thats the Concours 14 an FJR, your still a squid on a squid missile only difference u situp straight an bags if u paid the additional for em. I give him ironass award for 2 hours. IF he was doing real world highway speeds which he probably wasnt. the buzz from 9000rpm necessary at any near-real highway speeds + the wind thru those joke of a flyscreens would kill u in less than 10mins on these. nononoooo they noway ST's. Squid Missiles same same.
@@ribalderr6052 This year I changed my 1000SX 2022 for a 2023, and the seat is better. 3h.5 hours strait with no hurdle at all. Maybe an exceptional problem on the seat confort. (FYI I changed just for the color to get it in red.)
I just got the ninja1000sx last week and love it! Great review! I like the good shocks, brakes, and torque . I also like both lights on on low beam. I like the riding position also. I am 5 ft 11 in tall and am comfortable.
My 2017 Ninja 1000 was my favorite bike I’ve ever owned but I had to sell it in 2021 due to personal reasons. I believe upgrades and updates for the 2023 looks like it will take #1 on that list.
I went ahead with the Suzuki. After a few mods (bar risers, heated grips, smaller rear sprocket and HH brake pads) I now have an extremely competent, comfortable and fast sport tourer. As for the complaining about the single headlight I can safely say that at night the one beam is pretty bright and having the high beam on it’s overkill. Maybe the next iteration of the Kawasaki will be pretty amazing considering how good the current model is.
Its mostly about ascetics for me i like symmetric headlights because of that i will probably not go for the Suzuki. With LED its hard to mod it to light up without blinding other road users.
@@elrondsch you’re correct. It is a single handlebar with two attachment points. The risers (2) hold the handlebar to the upper clamp on two independent points.
Getting a red gt tomorrow. the kawi is looking dated. not worried about imu, want the looks, k5 grunt , and suzuki bombproof dependability. Funny, many other vids say the gt is a better handler, new brake pads and tires and this bike will kick ass. thank you.
I own a 2023 Suzuki 1000 GT and now have 2k miles on it. Sold my 2010 Suzuki 650 gsx (f). This bike is Exhilarating to ride and extremely responsive. Having traction control provides peace of mind when its raining. The QS is very useful especially when riding in A mode. I would like to upgrade the seat for additional comfort. Would like to see future models with dual lights for a balanced look.
Nice review. Definitely hard to choose. My heart is with the Kawi (looks slightly better to me too), and yup, that one-sided running light drives my symmetrical, OCD brain, nuts.
Good overall comparison! I tested both in Germany and was wondering why the Ninja 1000 SX has a higher top speed while at the same time having less horse power. I bought the Ninja because it has technically more security features and gives me more comfort.
Weight is not an issue with either with these Touring bikes. Why not talk talk more about comfort on a long drive. Leg room, wind protection, cruise control, What about 2 up riding. Did you ride either of these bikes or go visit them in person.?
Handlebars on the Suzuki settle this comparison really quickly. Every old guy dragging his heels over the hard bags in the show room want them raised up "just a little bit". Super easy on the Suzuki.
Nice video, it is going to help me a lot to make a decision. I have a Z900RS Cafe 2020, but I need something more... tourer. It's a tough decision between those two. Thanks a lot!
up another notch brutha- Concours 14. the truth is your 900 rs whether cafe or not turns lower rpms that either of these on the highway. its true. an a way btter seat. lookit their seats!. lookit thier puny windscreens!. if u want the truest ST, its a Connie, a FJR, or the new Low Rider ST. even a 900rs with a screen an bags is better than either these. do urself a favor an pass on the Ninja, check out the Concours. I personally know a YT'er who traded a 900rs in for one an loves it an I have one. these two 'things' are squid missiles with situp bars and bags- if u pay for them- an will kill u on the highway with high rpm buzz and wind. seriously.. Concours 14. 3800rpm @ 90mph driveshaft smooth, heated grips, electric REAL windscreen, no its not goldwing big, it is the real deal for ST long before they dreamed up dressing up their squid missiles an calling em ST. me I got one for 9k, an kept my Z1000 for when I wanna ripit.
Great comparison.... I have a 23 Ninja 1000sx whilst my main riding buddy has the Suzi..... I agree that it's hard to split the both of them.... The GT does get more attention that my Ninja though.
Great review, thanks!! I certainly prefer the Ninja, about to buy one next week ;-) Fortunately well available here in Switzerland. But will prefer “just” the performance version, without full touring equipment. Let’s see 🎉 Test ride last 2 days was fantastic, ergonomics fits well (6’1), engine is super smooth and powerful, very honest road performance, awesome !
The illustrations you used about Z1000SX (1000SX) is very misleading. At many parts of this video, you used videos from old version of Kawasaki. Cockpit is totally different at new version.
So, has Suzuki fixed the cam chain problem, or are they still ignoring it? I rode a '23 S1000GT with about 5 k miles on it, and the engine noise was frightening. No sale for me.
Yes, they have. There's a service bulletin on it and had mine done under warranty. It's perfect now and smoother than ever. Totally rekindled my love for this bike.
I have a 2022 1000SX and can’t fault it. Just took it to Tasmania and it went like a dream. I have seen the Suzuki in person and personally I believe the Kawasaki looks better.
Would be really torn on these two. There is just something less sensible about the GT that is appealing, it may well be my next bike. Both are great. I would love to see more options in this chatagory. A 1000 cc VFR with straight bars would be nice please.
i think the kwakalaky wins in the engine and power department. most people who buy these bikes are not going to care about top speed. reviewers who have ridden these bikes back to back say that the kawy has more power down low and the suzu has more power up high. meaning, the kawy has more power where most people are actually going to be using it; in the low and midrange. also i think the remote preload in the rear would be a big deal to some people.
They're too small to be considered sport touring.... Touring means pure luxury... Only the Kawasaki concours can fill that bill... The dark blue 2006 is the best there is.... A bike with a seat big enough to seat three people....
I concur emphatically. It an the comparable FJR are true ST's, these offerings are NOT. if I may say for the sportier of the two its the Kawy. that is, ur leaned fwd a tiny bit, but Im a smaller reach. Im fine with it anyways, but many have added risers and even larger windscreens. Ive only added a Sargent seat. patented "Atomic Foam" dont u know!. its heavenly good. 90mph 3800rpm U can ride till the tanks dry thru rain or cold no problem-o.
Suzuki has never held a soft spot in my heart although my 05 GSXR 600 never fails to thrill me. If they can't manufacture a bike that has both sides of the headlamps lit at the same time that's all I need to know. If they're going to ignore details like this then the Kawi is where my money will be going.
The four cylinder bikes are awesome and smooth. I would personally go for the Ninja for comfort, there is enough power in both of the bikes. Suzuki has a better looking muffler, small and neat, but it has that old style handle bar that puts me off. It makes it look like an old machine.
I am so confused... i want both.... I've owned a 2017 Ninja650 and daily ride a 2007 suzuki sv650s. I loved my ninja. But I sold my Ninja to make a profit, but I would never sell my SV650S. Like my 92 honda civic, it stays until death. I can't pick... luckily.. i can't afford either one right now.
With the price of fuel going up lately you should make a video looking for the best fuel efficient motorbikes that will be able to at least do the highway speeds
Terrific Review Kwacka! Take a Bow! Really well Reviewed in a really Smooth and Professional Style. BUT you let your Kawa Bias get you in the end! What everyone ignores for the Man in the Street. Engine and Box History ie Major Repair Work. Susuki will always beat Kawasaki Bikes over time. I am Suzuki for 8 years and found them to be Faultless. Bulletproof is what any Dealer will tell you. The GSX Family goes before it. For me the Suzi edges it on looks and features, the TFT on Suzi is larger and clearer, Major benefit for me. Regardless, would anyone buy the BMW Drayhorse against these two? Especially when you research their shocking Engine Box and Drive History. No Brainer that Stunning Blue Bulletproof, Smoother more Responsive Suzi!! Wins the day over the slighly older hat the Kawa. Great review really enjoyed, enjoy your GSX when you buy one.....go on Admit it! Cheers from the UK.
I'd go for the kawa.. more refined and having more experience too on this kind of bike (4th generation).. better brakes (no wooden feeling as on the GSX) and 6 axis IMU.. and the smoother enginge.. but I guess you have to ride both of them and then decide which suites you better..
Both solid rides. Having owned an '11 N1K, a bike I loved, I'm a bit biased but I could be swayed to the Suzuki. Still, Kawi has had over a decade to evolve the model and it's likely still the better bike due to its level of refinement. And now Kawi is reportedly about to release a highly revised 2023 N1K while the Suzuki surely won't be significantly updated anytime soon, especially since Suzuki has bragged about how much development went into this bike. If I was in the market, I think I'd likely end up w/the Kawi again, that is unless the Suzuki presented a much better financial deal.
I'm seeing a lot of reports of timing chain slap on the GSX after it warm up, thats the only reason I'm considering the SX. Apples to apples the GSX looks a lot better and the GT+ come with the bags installed, I cant find an SX with bags straight away. Hopefully the timing chain sound is a rare thing.
The Suzuki is the better looking sickle, the Kaw looking too fractured , transformer like which will look very ''dated'' soon. I've always liked Suzuki's aesthetics since my 78' GS1000 S.
Um, the kawi has less room for taller riders, is shorter and has a more cramped position than the Suzuki, in contrast with what the video mentions. And realistically, the Kawi is the more revy one, while the Suzuki has a leaner and more available power output throughout the rev range, again in contrast with what the video states.
You didn't mention a few major issues. When it comes down to it, it's just going to be which one appeals to you more. They are THAT close. The Bluetooth phone connectivity on the KAWI is useless. You need to download their app, but trust me there's nothing you'll find useful on it. I own a 2020 SX. What I find ludicrous is how ridiculously low and tightly spaced the gearing is on both bikes. They've castrated them. Engine braking at 50 mph in top gear at around 4000 rpm on a 140 hp litre bike ? Gimme a break. And good luck changing sprocket sizes it'll render the abs/traction control useless and there is NO work around. The Suzuki is even worse gearing wise. Only after owning the bike about 3 weeks did I realize this. It's a major design flaw on both bikes. I don't like cruising at twice the rpms I should be, the gearing just makes me ride slower since I'd rather ride the bike where the Engine is happiest. Another interesting note, my 2005 GSXR 600 is DEFF the more comfortable of the two with just installing heli-bar after market clip ons. One inch closer and one inch higher than stock they made ALL the difference. The Ninja has all your weight on the 'taint', you gotta experience that to see how fast you go numb down there. GSXR ? No issues stock seat. Right now I have a 20 year old SS ($3500) and a 4 year old sport touring with luggage $10,000. I'd take the GSXR over the Ninja any day, currently adding proper luggage to it that doesn't hinder its appearance. These are issues you don't realize exist until having owned the bike a few weeks. ATM I'm thinking just ditch the Ninja and put all my efforts and money into a 20 year old SS. It was the last year for no emissions, no abs etc, it's drive by cable and there's simply no comparing the two but the old GSXR comes out a winner where the Ninja was intended to be the clear winner. I know I'm comparing apples to oranges, but that's my experience.... Why keep one bike when the other SS is doing a better job ? IDK man it's been a strange journey with these two bikes, sometimes it takes awhile to figure things out...
These seem like great bikes. I’ve ridden the Ninja. But I think they’re too far removed from touring. Yeah you can ride any bike across country but slapping panniers on a sport bike and raising the bars and lowering the pegs is not the magic recipe for sport tourer. In my opinion the greatest ones are the Concours and FJR and BMW RT. Yeah they’re heavier and slower but definitely not weak bikes. And wayyy more comfortable than these two. Keep making this kind of sport tourer and you’ll keep pushing people to Goldwings and ADV bikes.
Ninja any day! Tried them both. The Ninja is more sport the Suzuki is more touring. However, the Suzuki feels more clumsy especially especially in the corners and not as agile. Enginewise both deliver more than you need. One point for the Suzuki here is that the engine’s character is closed to the GSX x thus GSXR, whereas Kawasaki got smoother and smoother and away from just building some plastic around a Z1000 which i love with my 2012 model. At the end of the day both excellent bikes and excellent value. It comes down to personal preferences.
@@misterb1132 That’s the fun of it isn’t it? Every bike is different for everyone. :) to be fair: i’m already riding a Z1000SX which gives the ninja the advantage.
Great review, but I cringed everytime you crossed the centre line. I think the Suzi wins if you love that good old k5 'grunt everywhere' delivery or the Kwaka if you like the tech and a screaming top end.
Since we ride on the left side of the road, the footage is not from Australia. This is an internet review with the reviewer not necessarily having ridden the bike.
I watched this following review a couple of months ago and still believe the Kawasaki wins. The comments these guys make about the brakes on the GT are just one of the many reasons I pick Kawasaki. Judge for yourself, but consider what this review offers. ruclips.net/video/plxndpn2608/видео.html
The noses on these bikes leave me cold, and those teeny LED headlights, ESPECIALLY with just one side running, will be all-but invisible to oncoming traffic and worse, to the vast numbers of DEER in the US nowadays.
Since your comparison isn’t a ridden one I will add since I own the kwak, a 2021 performance touring edition and now ridden the Suzuki a number of times. Only area the Suzuki wins is the engine, it runs quieter less clutch basket rattle and just feels a sweeter unit and the Suzuki quick shifter is better on the down shift. If fit and finish is important then the kwak hands down, you can tell it’s generations down the road compared to Suzuki GT, paint finish on the kwak is stunning and very average on the GT. the kwak is just a better bike in most departments and proves why they are the top of the Japanese bike manufacturers of late. Oh and the GT seat is hard and narrow compared to the kwak. My advise would be ride them both and then you will buy the kwak. 🛵
I am fortunate enough to have both. My wife and I decided to trade my old R1 and newer Tracer for one of each. Got the GSX about two months ago and the Ninja just 4 days ago. They are both exceptionally good. A bit more leg room on the GSX but otherwise very little difference. Neither one will have you wishing for more power. We had a 2012 Ninja 1000 and this newer version is better in every detail. A taller rider might find the Ninja a little bit if a tight fit but that’s not either of us. Truly an embarrassment of riches.
I am having tough time to chose between one of them, if you really have to keep one, which one you select and why ?
Probably the Suzuki. Build quality seems a bit better and it fits me just a tad better.
People say the Kawasaki engine is much smoother, any comment on that? Thanks!
@@dbauernf very smooth. Compared to the 2012 Ninja we had everything about the 23 SX is much more refined. Perhaps a bit smoother than the GSX, which has a more raspy sound, but still feels solid. Honestly, it’s like choosing between two delicious dishes.
@@dbauernf yup Kawasaki is a tad better in top end refinement meanwhile the bomb proof K5 motor of suzuki has some character and feels a bit faster.....try it yourself and choose according to your preferences both are great motorcycles....the brakes are better on the Kawasaki and got a supple ride overall.... suzuki is the sportier choice better on the twistes
Hi, I have owned both bikes, I had the Suzuki gsxs1000Gt for 18 months, I still have the Kawasaki 1000sx ninja, My thoughts are the Suzuki good points comfortable riding position on a long journey, better TFT good on fuel 53 mpg , more leg room for taller riders , bad points, poorer, brakes, The sat nav is not worth the hassle using it you have to key in your journey ( better with a garmin) The Kawasaki 1000sx ninja good points good riding position better brakes, handles like a sports bike more flickable in the bends, feels lighter than the Suzuki once the bike is moving. Bad points less leg room for taller riders, I prefer the Kawasaki for me as the handling is much better and that was a big plus for me.
Bought the GT this summer for my bday and it was the only black one in the entire Bay Area that I could find. Extremely happy I got it and maaaaan the power is crazy, ride is smooth and just flat out sexy af. The GT also got motorcycle of the year and hell yeah that felt good to hear your bike won! 🎉😊Good job Suzuki.
Hey! How is it for line splitting?
@@marcosgomez8637 With side cases on its a breeze. Its allinged with the handle bars so your not sticking out or anything. Be safe when you do brother when ever you lane split.
congrats man, i got mine on the same bday conditions for my 50th. Love it love it love it. Got mine in red which makes mine just a tad faster when stopped. Love the black too but that speed difference makes all the difference. =D
@@PaulKind3d Love it! Faster cuz its red. TRUE indeed. Ride safe fam :)
I herd Suzuki lowered the gearing. So it tops out max speed at 265. I’d suggest changing the sprockets for the longer gears and less revs on the highway. Might see the fuel economy match the kwaka or even better it
On the Suzuki you won`t have to worry about your gearbox taking a shit. Bulletproof engine. On a Kawasaki it`s a constant worry: "Am i one of the lucky ones or will my gearbox implode at 50.000 km like so many other Z`s?"
50k is nice for a gearbox lol
@@EVILSPAWN1003 how many people actually had gearbox problems, i thoroughly researched this and there appears to be only a few cases ???
Suzuki all day every day. I own one best bike I've ever bought, you can't go wrong
Suzuki is a quiet achiever that is quite happy to keep keep doing what they've been doing even if it doesn't set the world on fire and thankfully they're not like the dick heads at Honda that have completely lost touch with their pricing reality and think it's more than fine to sell a 600cc motorbike for $30,000 yet Suzuki can make a 1000 for under $24,000 I used to have a lot of respect for Honda now I think how the mighty Has Fallen😔
Kawasaki is better in this case. I have ridden both. Suzuki engine feels like its over stressed. It is also geared very short. For touring and commuting Kawasaki is much better. If you're a bit enthusiastic or doing track days, suzuki is probably better.
I got my ninja 1000 SX since last may 2022, and it is marvelous for a beginner.
Very smooth, the weight is not a issue at all, I ran on rain mode from may to mid-july to be cautious and learn my bike reactions and adapt myself to this bike.
Then I could push the bike a bit, and use the road then sport mode. very versatile for long road or city street. very agile.
The differences between modes are in the beginning part of the acceleration, so you gain in power and reactiveness while you get less active electronic actions. In first gear from 0 to 105km/h, 100% throttle from start, in rain mode it's progressive and you feel the electronic cutting the start power, very weird sensation but after that it's all the same. In sport mode your wheel make a little wheely like half of the wheel height. Then, for the max speed in rain mode you go to 240 km/h when sport you go to 250 km/h. best to quick shift @10250-10500 rpm. Obviously the pace to get there is different and a bit slower in rain mode than in sport mode. When you take the time to learn how the throttle is sensitive in different mode, you can drive in sport mode even in town, but there is no point doing so in my opinion. Road or rain mode in town is perfect and more than enough. I'm not racing in town, so I ride at a cool pace in rain mode. I put in road mode if I know I will use the highway.
On the comfort side, I can't ride more than 2 hours straight, my butt hurt too much and I need to walk to stretch my legs.
Paniers do nothing to the balance or the weight of the bike, it feels the same with or without. I noticed a little difference with lateral wind, and it's a bit better without them in that case. FYI it's only 5kg in a panier. Both very easy to remove when you have done it a couple times.
The 12 volt DC power is for 20 watts and 3A ampere fuse, so forget to use a compressor for your tires. You can just power a phone and a camera at the same time. Also you need to remove frontale fairing to change this fuse.
The usb connector option under the seat is useless, the key to access under the seat is on the left side below the seat.
The heated grip works very well.
Bike that you can't ride for more than two hours without stretching your legs etc. shouldn't have a tourer in the description. I had a 2017 model, and an hour was the maximum I could manage without knees and lower back pain. It's great for commuting, though. It looks fantastic and is nimble, but not for long distances. Of course, it's only my opinion based on three years of ownership
I'm still thinking of buying the 2022 model at the end of the year
@@chrisw4215 I just put on the gel seat today. I need to try it now.
they both r in no way shape or form ST's SMH people thats the Concours 14 an FJR, your still a squid on a squid missile only difference u situp straight an bags if u paid the additional for em. I give him ironass award for 2 hours. IF he was doing real world highway speeds which he probably wasnt. the buzz from 9000rpm necessary at any near-real highway speeds + the wind thru those joke of a flyscreens would kill u in less than 10mins on these. nononoooo they noway ST's. Squid Missiles same same.
@@ribalderr6052 This year I changed my 1000SX 2022 for a 2023, and the seat is better. 3h.5 hours strait with no hurdle at all. Maybe an exceptional problem on the seat confort. (FYI I changed just for the color to get it in red.)
Although I'm team Green Approved I'm leaning on the Suzuki here great review bro 👍🦾👉💥🤘💚✌💯😎👀🔥😇🙏☝🤟👊
Insurance costs on both these motorcycles are very high compared to others. I would recommend you check out the insurance costs before you purchase.
I just got the ninja1000sx last week and love it! Great review! I like the good shocks, brakes, and torque . I also like both lights on on low beam. I like the riding position also. I am 5 ft 11 in tall and am comfortable.
My 2017 Ninja 1000 was my favorite bike I’ve ever owned but I had to sell it in 2021 due to personal reasons. I believe upgrades and updates for the 2023 looks like it will take #1 on that list.
No changes for 23
@@TK-cl1jm except for colour and price £500 up :)
@@TK-cl1jm Sorry…I meant the changes implemented in 20 or 21, but I’m buying a 23.
Another good video. Still sticking with my ZX14R for zipping around the GC HInterlands :)
Nice video mate, you have influenced me to start uploading motorcycle content of my own cheers, have a good one
Awesome to hear mate!
Suzuki every day of the week 👍
I went ahead with the Suzuki. After a few mods (bar risers, heated grips, smaller rear sprocket and HH brake pads) I now have an extremely competent, comfortable and fast sport tourer. As for the complaining about the single headlight I can safely say that at night the one beam is pretty bright and having the high beam on it’s overkill. Maybe the next iteration of the Kawasaki will be pretty amazing considering how good the current model is.
Its mostly about ascetics for me i like symmetric headlights because of that i will probably not go for the Suzuki. With LED its hard to mod it to light up without blinding other road users.
What heated grips did you get?
How did you get bar risers? I thought it had a single bar and not clip ons.
@@svpearlsailacapegeorgesail4758 KOSO Apollo grips
@@elrondsch you’re correct. It is a single handlebar with two attachment points. The risers (2) hold the handlebar to the upper clamp on two independent points.
This is the best comparison of these two bikes!! I pick the Ninja ❤️❤️
Getting a red gt tomorrow. the kawi is looking dated. not worried about imu, want the looks, k5 grunt , and suzuki bombproof dependability. Funny, many other vids say the gt is a better handler, new brake pads and tires and this bike will kick ass. thank you.
I own a 2023 Suzuki 1000 GT and now have 2k miles on it. Sold my 2010 Suzuki 650 gsx (f). This bike is Exhilarating to ride and extremely responsive. Having traction control provides peace of mind when its raining. The QS is very useful especially when riding in A mode. I would like to upgrade the seat for additional comfort. Would like to see future models with dual lights for a balanced look.
Nice review. Definitely hard to choose. My heart is with the Kawi (looks slightly better to me too), and yup, that one-sided running light drives my symmetrical, OCD brain, nuts.
Good overall comparison! I tested both in Germany and was wondering why the Ninja 1000 SX has a higher top speed while at the same time having less horse power. I bought the Ninja because it has technically more security features and gives me more comfort.
Kawasaki for me. But maybe i'm a bit biased caus I already own one.
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Weight is not an issue with either with these Touring bikes. Why not talk talk more about comfort on a long drive. Leg room, wind protection, cruise control, What about 2 up riding. Did you ride either of these bikes or go visit them in person.?
Handlebars on the Suzuki settle this comparison really quickly. Every old guy dragging his heels over the hard bags in the show room want them raised up "just a little bit". Super easy on the Suzuki.
But why should I get one of these vs. a ZX14R or a Hayabusa?
And how would those options compare to these for insurance costs?
The Suzuki sounds MUCH better, imho.
Nice video, it is going to help me a lot to make a decision. I have a Z900RS Cafe 2020, but I need something more... tourer. It's a tough decision between those two. Thanks a lot!
up another notch brutha- Concours 14. the truth is your 900 rs whether cafe or not turns lower rpms that either of these on the highway. its true. an a way btter seat. lookit their seats!. lookit thier puny windscreens!. if u want the truest ST, its a Connie, a FJR, or the new Low Rider ST. even a 900rs with a screen an bags is better than either these.
do urself a favor an pass on the Ninja, check out the Concours. I personally know a YT'er who traded a 900rs in for one an loves it an I have one. these two 'things' are squid missiles with situp bars and bags- if u pay for them- an will kill u on the highway with high rpm buzz and wind. seriously.. Concours 14. 3800rpm @ 90mph driveshaft smooth, heated grips, electric REAL windscreen, no its not goldwing big, it is the real deal for ST long before they dreamed up dressing up their squid missiles an calling em ST. me I got one for 9k, an kept my Z1000 for when I wanna ripit.
Great comparison.... I have a 23 Ninja 1000sx whilst my main riding buddy has the Suzi..... I agree that it's hard to split the both of them.... The GT does get more attention that my Ninja though.
Both very nice bikes, if I was buying one I'd go with the Suzuki. But I'm quite happy with my KTM SDGT.
Great review, thanks!! I certainly prefer the Ninja, about to buy one next week ;-) Fortunately well available here in Switzerland. But will prefer “just” the performance version, without full touring equipment. Let’s see 🎉 Test ride last 2 days was fantastic, ergonomics fits well (6’1), engine is super smooth and powerful, very honest road performance, awesome !
Great review
Very well articulated
With peak HP at 11,000 RPM it's fair to say the GSXS has a ton of top end rush.
The illustrations you used about Z1000SX (1000SX) is very misleading. At many parts of this video, you used videos from old version of Kawasaki. Cockpit is totally different at new version.
So, has Suzuki fixed the cam chain problem, or are they still ignoring it? I rode a '23 S1000GT with about 5 k miles on it, and the engine noise was frightening. No sale for me.
Yes, they have. There's a service bulletin on it and had mine done under warranty. It's perfect now and smoother than ever. Totally rekindled my love for this bike.
I have a 2022 1000SX and can’t fault it. Just took it to Tasmania and it went like a dream. I have seen the Suzuki in person and personally I believe the Kawasaki looks better.
请问ninja1000sx 会出现变速箱故障的问题吗？
Great review, just what I’ve been looking for. I’m thinking the Kawasaki would be the one for me now 🤔
One out of two headlights working is great to get your ass pulled over all the damn time....
Would be really torn on these two. There is just something less sensible about the GT that is appealing, it may well be my next bike. Both are great. I would love to see more options in this chatagory. A 1000 cc VFR with straight bars would be nice please.
i think the kwakalaky wins in the engine and power department. most people who buy these bikes are not going to care about top speed. reviewers who have ridden these bikes back to back say that the kawy has more power down low and the suzu has more power up high. meaning, the kawy has more power where most people are actually going to be using it; in the low and midrange.
also i think the remote preload in the rear would be a big deal to some people.
They're too small to be considered sport touring.... Touring means pure luxury... Only the Kawasaki concours can fill that bill... The dark blue 2006 is the best there is.... A bike with a seat big enough to seat three people....
I concur emphatically. It an the comparable FJR are true ST's, these offerings are NOT. if I may say for the sportier of the two its the Kawy. that is, ur leaned fwd a tiny bit, but Im a smaller reach. Im fine with it anyways, but many have added risers and even larger windscreens. Ive only added a Sargent seat. patented "Atomic Foam" dont u know!. its heavenly good. 90mph 3800rpm U can ride till the tanks dry thru rain or cold no problem-o.
Suzuki has never held a soft spot in my heart although my 05 GSXR 600 never fails to thrill me. If they can't manufacture a bike that has both sides of the headlamps lit at the same time that's all I need to know. If they're going to ignore details like this then the Kawi is where my money will be going.
The four cylinder bikes are awesome and smooth. I would personally go for the Ninja for comfort, there is enough power in both of the bikes. Suzuki has a better looking muffler, small and neat, but it has that old style handle bar that puts me off. It makes it look like an old machine.
I am so confused... i want both.... I've owned a 2017 Ninja650 and daily ride a 2007 suzuki sv650s. I loved my ninja. But I sold my Ninja to make a profit, but I would never sell my SV650S. Like my 92 honda civic, it stays until death. I can't pick... luckily.. i can't afford either one right now.
With the price of fuel going up lately you should make a video looking for the best fuel efficient motorbikes that will be able to at least do the highway speeds
the ninja 400 would be what you want
@@CactusJack252 from a 2003 GSXR 750 to a ninja 400 don't think so champ
What I am waiting for is a comparison between the GSX-GT and the Yamaha MT-10.
Terrific Review Kwacka! Take a Bow! Really well Reviewed in a really Smooth and Professional Style. BUT you let your Kawa Bias get you in the end! What everyone ignores for the Man in the Street. Engine and Box History ie Major Repair Work. Susuki will always beat Kawasaki Bikes over time. I am Suzuki for 8 years and found them to be Faultless. Bulletproof is what any Dealer will tell you. The GSX Family goes before it. For me the Suzi edges it on looks and features, the TFT on Suzi is larger and clearer, Major benefit for me. Regardless, would anyone buy the BMW Drayhorse against these two? Especially when you research their shocking Engine Box and Drive History. No Brainer that Stunning Blue Bulletproof, Smoother more Responsive Suzi!! Wins the day over the slighly older hat the Kawa. Great review really enjoyed, enjoy your GSX when you buy one.....go on Admit it! Cheers from the UK.
I had many Kawasakis in the past and never had any problerms. They are bullet proof too
No center stand...no sale! These are sport touring motorcycles after all.
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Kawy has!. + IMU + adj windscreen
good review. I would take either one!
Which has the best warranty.
They are both great bikes you can't go wrong with choosing either one of them I just wish Yamaha would make a sport touring bike.
Something that fits between R1 and MT-10... I like that idea
FJR 1300 ES?
The did. FJR1300. I think 22 or 23 was the last year. They also have the FJ09 which is a little closer to the Ninja and S1000
That FJR1300 is so heavy! No wonder so many Cops around.the world are now using Tracers.
I'd go for the kawa.. more refined and having more experience too on this kind of bike (4th generation).. better brakes (no wooden feeling as on the GSX) and 6 axis IMU.. and the smoother enginge.. but I guess you have to ride both of them and then decide which suites you better..
The Suzuki has a better looking (shorter-cut and probably lighter) exhaust system.
Kawasaki tends more towards big cans (as seen on their ZX-14R).
Nice comparison. I really like the blue Suzuki this time.
I'm totally torn. Diehard Suzuki boy here but have always wanted to try owning a Kawi.
I know what you fell. All the same here. But that green machine...
Thanks for the review..
I prefer both headlights on, so is Kawa for me
I wish Kawasaki would bring back an updated Concours.
A really hard choice but ......... I am not a fan of the black and green, the blue just seems to have more class. I agree hardly an objective opinion.
Nice Video 🔥
Thumbs up and keep it up!!
Thanks 🔥
Both solid rides. Having owned an '11 N1K, a bike I loved, I'm a bit biased but I could be swayed to the Suzuki. Still, Kawi has had over a decade to evolve the model and it's likely still the better bike due to its level of refinement. And now Kawi is reportedly about to release a highly revised 2023 N1K while the Suzuki surely won't be significantly updated anytime soon, especially since Suzuki has bragged about how much development went into this bike. If I was in the market, I think I'd likely end up w/the Kawi again, that is unless the Suzuki presented a much better financial deal.
Great review, I had considered the Suzuki, but after viewing your video I'm definitely sticking to the Kwaka. #kwakafangirl 😂
Great reviews!
Cheers mate 🙌🏻
I went for the Suzuki. Looks better, better price, buttery gearbox and more power. Plus you dont havs to put up with random Kawakaki engine noises!
I'm seeing a lot of reports of timing chain slap on the GSX after it warm up, thats the only reason I'm considering the SX. Apples to apples the GSX looks a lot better and the GT+ come with the bags installed, I cant find an SX with bags straight away. Hopefully the timing chain sound is a rare thing.
The Suzuki is the better looking sickle, the Kaw looking too fractured , transformer like which will look very ''dated'' soon. I've always liked Suzuki's aesthetics since my 78' GS1000 S.
Um, the kawi has less room for taller riders, is shorter and has a more cramped position than the Suzuki, in contrast with what the video mentions. And realistically, the Kawi is the more revy one, while the Suzuki has a leaner and more available power output throughout the rev range, again in contrast with what the video states.
You didn't mention a few major issues. When it comes down to it, it's just going to be which one appeals to you more. They are THAT close. The Bluetooth phone connectivity on the KAWI is useless. You need to download their app, but trust me there's nothing you'll find useful on it. I own a 2020 SX.
What I find ludicrous is how ridiculously low and tightly spaced the gearing is on both bikes. They've castrated them. Engine braking at 50 mph in top gear at around 4000 rpm on a 140 hp litre bike ? Gimme a break. And good luck changing sprocket sizes it'll render the abs/traction control useless and there is NO work around.
The Suzuki is even worse gearing wise.
Only after owning the bike about 3 weeks did I realize this. It's a major design flaw on both bikes. I don't like cruising at twice the rpms I should be, the gearing just makes me ride slower since I'd rather ride the bike where the Engine is happiest.
Another interesting note, my 2005 GSXR 600 is DEFF the more comfortable of the two with just installing heli-bar after market clip ons. One inch closer and one inch higher than stock they made ALL the difference. The Ninja has all your weight on the 'taint', you gotta experience that to see how fast you go numb down there. GSXR ? No issues stock seat.
Right now I have a 20 year old SS ($3500) and a 4 year old sport touring with luggage $10,000.
I'd take the GSXR over the Ninja any day, currently adding proper luggage to it that doesn't hinder its appearance.
These are issues you don't realize exist until having owned the bike a few weeks.
ATM I'm thinking just ditch the Ninja and put all my efforts and money into a 20 year old SS. It was the last year for no emissions, no abs etc, it's drive by cable and there's simply no comparing the two but the old GSXR comes out a winner where the Ninja was intended to be the clear winner.
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges, but that's my experience....
Why keep one bike when the other SS is doing a better job ? IDK man it's been a strange journey with these two bikes, sometimes it takes awhile to figure things out...
These seem like great bikes. I’ve ridden the Ninja. But I think they’re too far removed from touring. Yeah you can ride any bike across country but slapping panniers on a sport bike and raising the bars and lowering the pegs is not the magic recipe for sport tourer. In my opinion the greatest ones are the Concours and FJR and BMW RT. Yeah they’re heavier and slower but definitely not weak bikes. And wayyy more comfortable than these two. Keep making this kind of sport tourer and you’ll keep pushing people to Goldwings and ADV bikes.
Ninja any day! Tried them both. The Ninja is more sport the Suzuki is more touring. However, the Suzuki feels more clumsy especially especially in the corners and not as agile. Enginewise both deliver more than you need. One point for the Suzuki here is that the engine’s character is closed to the GSX x thus GSXR, whereas Kawasaki got smoother and smoother and away from just building some plastic around a Z1000 which i love with my 2012 model. At the end of the day both excellent bikes and excellent value. It comes down to personal preferences.
This is the exact opposite of what other reviewers are saying, regarding which feels more sporty.
@@misterb1132 That’s the fun of it isn’t it? Every bike is different for everyone. :) to be fair: i’m already riding a Z1000SX which gives the ninja the advantage.
Kawasaki for the win
Just keep the high beams on all of the time.
Great review, but I cringed everytime you crossed the centre line. I think the Suzi wins if you love that good old k5 'grunt everywhere' delivery or the Kwaka if you like the tech and a screaming top end.
Since we ride on the left side of the road, the footage is not from Australia. This is an internet review with the reviewer not necessarily having ridden the bike.
Thanks!
I chose the suzuki over the kawa. Never regretted my choice.
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i like the look of the suzuki better
I like prefer the suzuki although the kawasaki is better.
I watched this following review a couple of months ago and still believe the Kawasaki wins. The comments these guys make about the brakes on the GT are just one of the many reasons I pick Kawasaki. Judge for yourself, but consider what this review offers.
ruclips.net/video/plxndpn2608/видео.html
Last I saw, Suzuki can’t even supply panniers at the moment
Actually looking between these 2 for my next bike.
The Suzuki has Brembo Fronts, how can the kawasaki edge out the suzi with its no name brands?
Its a ninja it will always be better.
The Kawasaki is MUCH faster than 10.80 in the 1/4 mile.
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The noses on these bikes leave me cold, and those teeny LED headlights, ESPECIALLY with just one side running, will be all-but invisible to oncoming traffic and worse, to the vast numbers of DEER in the US nowadays.
check out the headlights an everything about the Kawy Concours 14. true ST. these are Not.
Since your comparison isn’t a ridden one I will add since I own the kwak, a 2021 performance touring edition and now ridden the Suzuki a number of times. Only area the Suzuki wins is the engine, it runs quieter less clutch basket rattle and just feels a sweeter unit and the Suzuki quick shifter is better on the down shift. If fit and finish is important then the kwak hands down, you can tell it’s generations down the road compared to Suzuki GT, paint finish on the kwak is stunning and very average on the GT. the kwak is just a better bike in most departments and proves why they are the top of the Japanese bike manufacturers of late. Oh and the GT seat is hard and narrow compared to the kwak. My advise would be ride them both and then you will buy the kwak. 🛵
The suzuki definitely for me.