Interesting video, Dave! I've never messed with the 110's in the 308, always relegated those to the 30 carbine and 30-30. I started shooting 308 back in 1970 when the folks gave me a Belgian Browning BLR. Was tough for an unemployed high school kid to be able to afford them $3.00 a box factory loaded shells, AND a girlfriend at the same time, so, I bought enough RCBS gear to start loading for the round, and for Dad's '06, Granddad's 300 Savage, and the 357's that we all seemed to own. Was all about the same time here in SE Idaho that we were being overrun with them damned big jackrabbits that were eating every crop as soon as it sprouted, and there were enough of 'em that it looked like the ground moved. I found that a 130 gr. Speer hollow point, and surplus 4895, 45 grs. worth, in a GI case, made little cloverleaf looking groups from that Browning, and turned them jacks into red mist WAY out there. I used that same rifle and load after I married that girlfriend, joined the USAF, and had three kids. Still not enough cash left over for a dedicated varmint rifle, so, I made do with that, and found out that them Montana prairie dogs up around the Ulm Pishkun out to around a measured 500 yards were in dire straits when my 65 F100 pulled up. In the ensuing years, I've plenty of other rifles, shot a bit of competition on Uncle Sugar's dime wearing a pickle suit, and have gathered "proper" varmint rigs. Odd thing is that they won't do what the heavier slugs from a bigger bore at moderate velocity will do when a puff a wind comes up at extended range. I still load that 130 Speer HP, and 4895, but them Speers ain't $4.00 a hunnert, and that surplus 4895 ain't 29 cents a pound in a paper bag no more!!! Oh, hell, it's all Putin's fault, anyway........
Thanks Darreld, for your very well lived history. Thanks for your service too. I remember well the organized bunny thumpers of the early 80's and sort of missed those good ole days. Keep shooting, as it sounds as though you do that quite well indeed.
I like the 110 gr. Nostler just because they go on sale(my favorite color) more often and are just as accurate. I loaded some up in my 308 and 300 WSM with respectable results but they are absolute tack drivers in my 300 B.O. Touchie-feelie in the bull at 100 (sub-moa) and holding one mildot high at 200 yds I get 2 x 2 or 2 x 3" groups. Until now I have only had a range no greater that 200 yds. As a hunter these results are fine with me because we rarely get greater than 100 yds in our beautiful wooded East Tenn. I'm glad you can take the 110's out further and will have a video out with your results. ....................... enjoy
Good info Dave! I have a Sig Cross in 308 that I loaded 110 gr. Nosler Varmageddon with IMR 4166 with great results. So far it's shooting clover leaf groups at about 3/8" at a average of 3375 fps. I mainly made up this load for coyotes. I'll let you know how well it works.
I love handloading Speer 125gn TNT for .308, they have a BC of .341 and are .928" OAL bullets with a soft lead core. They perform on varmints from the slow 300 blackout or ultra fast 300 Win Mag. Getting 1/4" groups @ 100 yards with a 26" .308 Ruger. Flat shooting out to 300 yards.
I've only shot 150 and 165 grain bullets. Seeing your video, it might be fun to try the lighter bullets. Hard to beat a Savage for accuracy. Thanks for sharing and God Bless.
Yes, it was fun ,lighter bullets, faster speed, less recoil and flatter trajectory. But I will need to shoot at 200-500 yards to test for varmint hunting.
Good shootin' Tex, that's great for factory ammo. I've had great luck with 110gr V Max, put's the hammer to 'yotes. I used to shoot it all the time until I discovered the 6.5 Creedmoor with 90gr bullets at 3400fps. The biggest difference I see is My Savage 12FV holds half inch 5 shot groups at 100, the Remington 700 Tactical I have in 308 is a solid 1" rifle. It will go sub-moa with the right load but the 6.5 just shoots much tighter for smaller critters like woodchucks.
Good test Dave!! Aside from the lil 300 I have t had great luck from the 110g in the larger 30's. 125's seem just fine. Unsure why? But thats what I have found. I like. Scratch that... I REALLY like the Sierra 135 hp bullets as a varmint bullet. All mine shoot it well and my Blackouts really like it! This bullet is even fragile from the blacks 1800 ish muzzle velocity.
Thanks for your experiences CW. I never really messed around with hand loading the .264 through 338 caliber cartridges for varmint hunting, seems a bit too much. But I'll try anything so as to not be caliber/cartridge ignorant. Thanks for your comment and bullet weight suggestions.
Appreciate the video, to respond to your question, theoretically,, a bullet different from the one used to sight in prints in a different spot because of ballistic differences regardless of weight. However lighter faster bullets will generally print lower because they leave the barrel sooner as the barrel is lifting because of recoil. I see they printed fairly close. There must be enough similarities and forces involved.
Lots of shooters these days really poo poo the idea of doing this.. In my opinion, they’re missing out on getting to use their gear in multiple roles and enjoy doing something different.. and they’ll tell you continuously how such and such caliber will do “it” better.. 😂.. like you somehow just didn’t already know that.. keep it up brother.
I also like the reduced weight as then you don't need to buy another rifle in 6.5 or 243 to fill in that gap between 223 and 308. So great find. Hope the price comes down.
HaHa! That is one of the purposes of doing these videos. But I do have all the inbetween rifle/cartridge and they have their better purposes for specific game.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Thanks. If you video those longer range shots, I will be interested in how well that ammo preforms. Have a good rest of the weekend.
Thanks, I had that done by a Savage specialist, new spring, different firing pin, new sleeve and polished the floating bolt head. Reduced the bolt lift from 8lbs to 5lbs, but still not smooth. But the rifle shoots good.
It would really depend on what you want to do with these v-max bullets. I have used them for some time in a .223. I shot a woodpecker once that was trying to drill a whole in the side of my brothers outbuilding. The woodpecker exploded and when I looked there was no whole in the building from the bullet passing through the bird. The bullet I would say had little or no penetration. So a .308 with 110 grain v-max bullet at 3300 fps would be a splatter gun.
The scope on my AR308 is 2.6" above the bore. The 110gr Barnes TTSX Chrono 'ed at 3290fps. My attempt to "true" the velocity got me approximately 3200 fps. This is out of a 16.5"barrel. My V-max were actually slower around 3150fps. Very flat shooting, low recoil. I need to try "truing" under better conditions than I had the day I tried it. The Barnes load was only 2minutes low at 400 yds.
You can doctor a savage pretty easily with a 38 case and a ball bearing. And do a little work on the cocking cam. And put a lighter spring in. Do as above. And it won't give u problems
I stopped at 4:40. In short, the impact should be high because you have that optic sighted more than likely for a heavier reload of yours; 150’s & 165’s. Because of that, it will probably over stabilize and impact farther right as well. I will see in a couple minutes! Thanks, Isaac
Over stabilization is a myth. Repeated by people who know nothing about physics The bullet is spinning 365° in all directions why would it go to the right? spin drift applied to a bullet is perpendicular to the lines of force that cause pressure difference drift. that means that spend drift doesn't move a bullet off the path because the orientation of the lines of force.
@@Mike-xi4zt Thanks for your comment. Maybe "De-Stabilization would be a better description. At very high velocity with a fast twist barrel, light jacket bullets can keyhole on a target if not completely disintegrate as soon as exiting the barrel. So a shooter needs to match the proper bullet type for caliber with the proper barrel twist to avoid failure.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 rifling twist turns a bullet the same as a gyroscope. Laws of physics the state that the faster an object spins, whether it is a bullet, or the Earth itself, becomes more stable and less resistant to change of momentum that's how they navigate with airplanes and ships before GPS was gyroscopes on ships and airplanes to maintain a heading and the faster that gyroscope spins the more stable it becomes. Bullets are the exact same thing. Even if a bullet is out of balance, or a tire on your truck, is out of balance, or the laundry in the washing machine is out of balance the faster it spins the rotational force can exceed the force trying to cause a unstable spin. The only exception to increasing rotational stability that does not increase stabilization is if you impart enough heat and centrifugal force on the bullet or whatever it is you're spinning to cause it to come apart or deform. So destabilization from too much spin is a myth and is not true and is not incorrect. Destabilization from exceeding the limit of the bullet to stay together properly and not deform or come apart is the reason you see bullets going haywire. And the other reason you see bullets wobble and Tumble is usually from not having enough spin to stabilize them properly, not from too much spin, in fact the number one reason loss of accuracy is not enough RPM spin more that exceeding the ability of the bullet to maintain its shape.
I use the federal 110s out of my ar10 in 308 it loves them tac driver i also use the federal 95gr with vmax out of my savage 110 precision 6.5 creedmoor also loves them
I always use a refined point of aim and make a plumb line or plumb up one of the lines on your target to help prevent cant if yu dont have a reticle level and your groups will tighten up for sure
You can purchase a bolt lift kit and do a action and bolt polish. The savage actions based off the 110 have terribly heavy bolt lift, it is the only downfall of that action. Nonetheless I love the crap out of my savage model 10. 308 it’s one of the most upgradeable rifles out there.
Yes, I sent the bolt off to a specialist to have it worked on prior to this video, Bolt lift reduced from 8lbs to 5 lbs. Floating bolt head had burrs, firing pin changed and bushings were added. Cost $97, but still very rough cycling as shown here. However the rifle is a very accurate shooter so I will keep it. But will not buy another Savage. My Bergara, Weatherby, Browning and my old Win. model 70 cycles very smooth. Thanks for your comment.
Another great video. Also, as our late great President Ronald Reagan said about the Soviet nuclear treaty when asked if we could trust the Russians- We will trust, but verify. Nice shooting and I also use Federal factory for deer hunting.
I'm contemplating varmint rounds for an AR-10 for home defense. The gun will be a gift. I live in a less desirable neighborhood. It isn't the ghetto but it isn't Manhattan.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009, I got the rifle. It is currently loaded with the Federal 130 grain JHP varmint loads. The ammo in this test is currently on my employee purchase sheet. We only had two boxes. Gottem!
That's really good accuracy for factory ammo Dave. With a little work and components I do believe you can improve some. That's a nice set up with the savage but they could do a few things better tho. I will say they do make really good barrels. That's an awesome place to shoot and thanks for bringing us along.
Ronnie, I agree. But I have 80 rounds of the factory stuff to shoot up first. 110 grain bullets are a little overplayed I think. Because I have more suitable varmint rifles in 22 caliber, 243/6mm, 25 caliber and the Grendel with 90 grain bullets. Thanks for your comment.
Another great video Dave, the bullets should be here by Monday and the once fired brass will be prepped and ready. From your testing could you tell a difference in recoil? I’m real curious how it will group at 500yds and at 300+ fps it should be a flatter shooting round. Like the gentleman said before my Bergara could possibly fill the gap between the 223 and the shoulder bruising 168gr 308 and from a previous video I broke out the 52gr SMK for the 223 for a little long range testing. Giddy up
That’s interesting. I have a .243 that likes bullets in the 100gr range. I tried putting lighter varmint bullets through it and got grapefruit size groups. I assumed it was the twist causing it. Interesting that your .308 shot lighter bullets well. Maybe I’ll have to revisit it,,,
Funny this topic comes up. I just won an older M700 Tactical 308 at auction. I ordered 110 Varmageddon and V-Maxes. Looking forward to testing on ol' Wile E. Coyote.
say , are you using horse shoe nails on your targets? just guessing, interesting shape. I was waiting to see if agents were going to rappel out of helo! I remember right before USA went down and got Noriega there were black helos low flying all around near Scott AFB, maybe practicing urban waypoint navigation?
Yes they are horseshoe nails, I got allot of them. No worries about Black suited Gov't people rappelling out of helicopters because Idaho hunters love moving targets and just need a reason. LOL
I recently started loading these for my 308. I haven't had a chance to use them on game yet, but they have been easy to get decent accuracy with. I'll be interested in seeing some follow-up videos.
I have found that faster will shoot lower and I think because it’s out of the barrel quicker and barrel rise is of less effect. I paused to comment so I’ll see what you think now….. unpause.
Yes, but only at certain distances. Very fast velocities get to the target sooner than slower velocities, therefore the Arc of the trajectory is still closer to the line of the bore under 100 yards or so.
The 110 V-MAX is a varmint bullet designed for rapid expansion with a high degree of fragmentation upon impact. A better bullet for deer hunting would be a bullet designed to have deeper penetration and low fragmentation.
That bullet might work well for a neck shot, but I wouldn’t be too keen on eating any of the meat anywhere near the shot. If you do a traditional vital v shot, I’d be leery of eating the shoulders. Shoot a little high and I’d avoid the front half of the back straps. These things absolutely come apart in game and lead gets everywhere in extremely small pieces. These are also unlikely to pass through and that means you’re far more likely to have a poor blood trail to track. If you hunt where shots are almost always 150 and in and can comfortably hit the neck then go for it, but there are plenty of excellent bullets that will get the job done that won’t foul the meat nearly as much and will give you a complete pass through that will make for a more reliable tracking job and likely quicker and more humane death for the animal.
Try IMR XBR 8208! I shot a lot of coyotes with the 308 in Rem Varminters during the 80's and 90's with the 110g Sierra HP. This 110g bullet really massacres coyotes, very humane kills!
Personal preference. It gives me a more natural eye alignment without having to crane my neck down to the stock. Also allows a more natural adjustable cheek weld and allow the stock to be lower into my shoulder pocket.
I haven't been able to find the 130gr loads. I bought several hundred 110gr. From a Rem700 Varmint 26" with a 40x scope, they cluster in under .5" at 100 meters
@@santiagosolaro3962 I would not use the 110 grain V-Max because that is a varmint bullet. Any 150 grain bullet for the 308 Win. would be best. Hornady Reloading manual gives all load data for the 308.
Yes, The scope rides 1-3/4" inches above the bore. With very fast velocity 3,300fps. the bullet hits the target very fast before it has the chance to rise for the bore axis to cross over to the scope reticle center. (Theoretically) this changes your zero to extended ranges over zeroes set for slower velocities.
Yes, with the scope 1.5 to 2 inches above the bore, a high velocity, (3,200fps), is moving faster than a slower heavier bullet, therefore the arc of the trajectory will be less at the close distance of 100 yards. The point of impact in this video was lower but not by very much because the scope was adjusted to 1" high at 100 yards for a 150 grain bullet. That is why ballistic tables can be useful to show trajectory at whatever distance you choose to zero at.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Well I got that wrong! I was thinking faster velocity means less time to target means less time for gravity effect. But had just watched a Vortex nation podcast about harmonics where they mentioned 'positive compensation' where ammo tuned to exit at bottom of 'whip', once zeroed for that then faster bullets exit on downslope of whip while slower bullets exit when whip is moving up, theory is the velocity vs whip balances out and tighter groups, nice theory if able to do in real life.
@@johnh4957 It 's easier than that John, look up MPBR tables per cartridge. Something hunters know allot about is; At what distance does the flight of a bullet rise above and fall below an 8" target window.
Yes, because of the higher velocity @ 100 yards the bullet trajectory is only starting to rise above the bore, but will be higher after 200 yards by 1+ inch when compared to a 150+ grain projectile.. Way to go Keith.
I like the federal 130 grain JHP rounds simply for defense in my 308 AK. Great round but unfortunately I’ve recently learned federal discontinued the round which is upsetting. However, I would never use 130 grain for hunting. 308 was never my go to hunting rifle/cartridge anyway. My 30-06 is my go to. On another note, the whole Ukraine conflict is nothing but simply a proxy war that the United States government has their hands in and backing. Pray for the people, but not that despicable dictator/ ally of the democrat establishment (Zelensky)
Worse, before the chassis. I sent the bolt off to a guy who specializes in Savage bolt fixes. He reduced the bolt lift from 8 lbs to 5 lbs and changed the firing pin and spring. It was better but still anything but smooth, (due to Savages cocking ramp and floating bolt head design.) I am used to my other butter smooth bolt action rifles. But this Savage 10 FCP is very accurate despite the action one shot at a time. LOL
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I like the .308 just fine. Been thinking about a lite bullet in 308 myself. I have a FAL and a 700 SPS varmint. And am currently having a new .308 barrel installed in one of my M1’s. Those are great groups. To me that’s what counts.
Interesting video, Dave! I've never messed with the 110's in the 308, always relegated those to the 30 carbine and 30-30. I started shooting 308 back in 1970 when the folks gave me a Belgian Browning BLR. Was tough for an unemployed high school kid to be able to afford them $3.00 a box factory loaded shells, AND a girlfriend at the same time, so, I bought enough RCBS gear to start loading for the round, and for Dad's '06, Granddad's 300 Savage, and the 357's that we all seemed to own. Was all about the same time here in SE Idaho that we were being overrun with them damned big jackrabbits that were eating every crop as soon as it sprouted, and there were enough of 'em that it looked like the ground moved. I found that a 130 gr. Speer hollow point, and surplus 4895, 45 grs. worth, in a GI case, made little cloverleaf looking groups from that Browning, and turned them jacks into red mist WAY out there. I used that same rifle and load after I married that girlfriend, joined the USAF, and had three kids. Still not enough cash left over for a dedicated varmint rifle, so, I made do with that, and found out that them Montana prairie dogs up around the Ulm Pishkun out to around a measured 500 yards were in dire straits when my 65 F100 pulled up. In the ensuing years, I've plenty of other rifles, shot a bit of competition on Uncle Sugar's dime wearing a pickle suit, and have gathered "proper" varmint rigs. Odd thing is that they won't do what the heavier slugs from a bigger bore at moderate velocity will do when a puff a wind comes up at extended range. I still load that 130 Speer HP, and 4895, but them Speers ain't $4.00 a hunnert, and that surplus 4895 ain't 29 cents a pound in a paper bag no more!!! Oh, hell, it's all Putin's fault, anyway........
Thanks Darreld, for your very well lived history. Thanks for your service too. I remember well the organized bunny thumpers of the early 80's and sort of missed those good ole days. Keep shooting, as it sounds as though you do that quite well indeed.
I thinking higher and For some reason I can’t stop smiling when I watch this gentleman’s videos
Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
You got me with the oldest trick in the ballistics book, GOOD SHOOTIN!
I like the 110 gr. Nostler just because they go on sale(my favorite color) more often and are just as accurate. I loaded some up in my 308 and 300 WSM with respectable results but they are absolute tack drivers in my 300 B.O. Touchie-feelie in the bull at 100 (sub-moa) and holding one mildot high at 200 yds I get 2 x 2 or 2 x 3" groups. Until now I have only had a range no greater that 200 yds. As a hunter these results are fine with me because we rarely get greater than 100 yds in our beautiful wooded East Tenn.
I'm glad you can take the 110's out further and will have a video out with your results.
....................... enjoy
Thanks for your comment here and for watching.
In addition to some good shooting information, some good words about learning.
Thanks for your kind words and for watching.
Good info Dave! I have a Sig Cross in 308 that I loaded 110 gr. Nosler Varmageddon with IMR 4166 with great results. So far it's shooting clover leaf groups at about 3/8" at a average of 3375 fps. I mainly made up this load for coyotes. I'll let you know how well it works.
That sounds great! Thanks for watching and for your comment.
How’s it working out for you?
I love handloading Speer 125gn TNT for .308, they have a BC of .341 and are .928" OAL bullets with a soft lead core. They perform on varmints from the slow 300 blackout or ultra fast 300 Win Mag.
Getting 1/4" groups @ 100 yards with a 26" .308 Ruger. Flat shooting out to 300 yards.
Thanks for your input and experience. Also thanks for watching.
I've only shot 150 and 165 grain bullets. Seeing your video, it might be fun to try the lighter bullets. Hard to beat a Savage for accuracy. Thanks for sharing and God Bless.
Yes, it was fun ,lighter bullets, faster speed, less recoil and flatter trajectory. But I will need to shoot at 200-500 yards to test for varmint hunting.
Tight group. This makes me happy since I bought 1 box of these a couple months ago.
Best of luck to you with your rifle and ammo combination. Thanks for watching.
Good shootin' Tex, that's great for factory ammo. I've had great luck with 110gr V Max, put's the hammer to 'yotes. I used to shoot it all the time until I discovered the 6.5 Creedmoor with 90gr bullets at 3400fps. The biggest difference I see is My Savage 12FV holds half inch 5 shot groups at 100, the Remington 700 Tactical I have in 308 is a solid 1" rifle. It will go sub-moa with the right load but the 6.5 just shoots much tighter for smaller critters like woodchucks.
Thanks for your rifle/cartridge experience. I am from Idaho though.
Dave Once again your shooting is Great ! I have had good luck with Federal Fusion in 280,6.5x55 and 308.
Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
Good test Dave!!
Aside from the lil 300 I have t had great luck from the 110g in the larger 30's. 125's seem just fine. Unsure why? But thats what I have found.
I like. Scratch that... I REALLY like the Sierra 135 hp bullets as a varmint bullet. All mine shoot it well and my Blackouts really like it! This bullet is even fragile from the blacks 1800 ish muzzle velocity.
Thanks for your experiences CW. I never really messed around with hand loading the .264 through 338 caliber cartridges for varmint hunting, seems a bit too much. But I'll try anything so as to not be caliber/cartridge ignorant. Thanks for your comment and bullet weight suggestions.
Appreciate the video, to respond to your question, theoretically,, a bullet different from the one used to sight in prints in a different spot because of ballistic differences regardless of weight. However lighter faster bullets will generally print lower because they leave the barrel sooner as the barrel is lifting because of recoil. I see they printed fairly close. There must be enough similarities and forces involved.
Thanks for your comment and for watching.
At distance, lighter bullets slow down more quickly.
@@Lexicologist1971 But get there faster and flatter out to 400 yds.
Thank you for sharing the knowledge. Big change in the scenery. Spring is around the corner.
Thanks for watching. Spring will be awhile yet above 3,000 feet. HaHa.
I like them.
Truly enjoyed this video.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Another great video....I have been wanting to try these, but waiting for price to come down. Great shooting rifle too!
Thanks for watching. Give them a try.
Lots of shooters these days really poo poo the idea of doing this..
In my opinion, they’re missing out on getting to use their gear in multiple roles and enjoy doing something different.. and they’ll tell you continuously how such and such caliber will do “it” better.. 😂.. like you somehow just didn’t already know that.. keep it up brother.
Agreed. Thanks for the kind words and for watching.
I also like the reduced weight as then you don't need to buy another rifle in 6.5 or 243 to fill in that gap between 223 and 308. So great find. Hope the price comes down.
HaHa! That is one of the purposes of doing these videos. But I do have all the inbetween rifle/cartridge and they have their better purposes for specific game.
Thank you.
Thanks for watching.
Dave. Very good and interesting video. That ammo looks really good and beat the box numbers. Also, great shooting. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Thanks Bobcat. I will take these out to 200yds then 300 yds, to verify consistent accuracy. If they work well, then there is no reason to handload.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Thanks. If you video those longer range shots, I will be interested in how well that ammo preforms. Have a good rest of the weekend.
I have the same rifle, to help your bolt lift, install a bolt lift kit. I did and it helped bunches.
Thanks, I had that done by a Savage specialist, new spring, different firing pin, new sleeve and polished the floating bolt head. Reduced the bolt lift from 8lbs to 5lbs, but still not smooth. But the rifle shoots good.
It would really depend on what you want to do with these v-max bullets. I have used them for some time in a .223. I shot a woodpecker once that was trying to drill a whole in the side of my brothers outbuilding. The woodpecker exploded and when I looked there was no whole in the building from the bullet passing through the bird. The bullet I would say had little or no penetration. So a .308 with 110 grain v-max bullet at 3300 fps would be a splatter gun.
Yes they are frangible bullets. Thanks for your comment and for watching.
The scope on my AR308 is 2.6" above the bore. The 110gr Barnes TTSX Chrono 'ed at 3290fps. My attempt to "true" the velocity got me approximately 3200 fps. This is out of a 16.5"barrel. My V-max were actually slower around 3150fps. Very flat shooting, low recoil. I need to try "truing" under better conditions than I had the day I tried it. The Barnes load was only 2minutes low at 400 yds.
Sounds like you know what you are doing and how to do it. I have no experience with larger caliber rifle barrels shorter than 20 inches.
You can doctor a savage pretty easily with a 38 case and a ball bearing. And do a little work on the cocking cam. And put a lighter spring in. Do as above. And it won't give u problems
Nope, Sent in the Bolt to have it rebuilt, everything including a lighter spring, bolt lift taken from 9 lbs down to 5.5 lbs. but still cluncky.
That load is really carrying the mail.
Thanks for watching.
Good video nice shooting
Thanks for watching and the kind words.
I stopped at 4:40. In short, the impact should be high because you have that optic sighted more than likely for a heavier reload of yours; 150’s & 165’s. Because of that, it will probably over stabilize and impact farther right as well. I will see in a couple minutes!
Thanks,
Isaac
Thanks for watching and your comment.
Over stabilization is a myth. Repeated by people who know nothing about physics The bullet is spinning 365° in all directions why would it go to the right? spin drift applied to a bullet is perpendicular to the lines of force that cause pressure difference drift. that means that spend drift doesn't move a bullet off the path because the orientation of the lines of force.
@@Mike-xi4zt Thanks for your comment. Maybe "De-Stabilization would be a better description. At very high velocity with a fast twist barrel, light jacket bullets can keyhole on a target if not completely disintegrate as soon as exiting the barrel. So a shooter needs to match the proper bullet type for caliber with the proper barrel twist to avoid failure.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 rifling twist turns a bullet the same as a gyroscope. Laws of physics the state that the faster an object spins, whether it is a bullet, or the Earth itself, becomes more stable and less resistant to change of momentum that's how they navigate with airplanes and ships before GPS was gyroscopes on ships and airplanes to maintain a heading and the faster that gyroscope spins the more stable it becomes. Bullets are the exact same thing. Even if a bullet is out of balance, or a tire on your truck, is out of balance, or the laundry in the washing machine is out of balance the faster it spins the rotational force can exceed the force trying to cause a unstable spin. The only exception to increasing rotational stability that does not increase stabilization is if you impart enough heat and centrifugal force on the bullet or whatever it is you're spinning to cause it to come apart or deform. So destabilization from too much spin is a myth and is not true and is not incorrect. Destabilization from exceeding the limit of the bullet to stay together properly and not deform or come apart is the reason you see bullets going haywire. And the other reason you see bullets wobble and Tumble is usually from not having enough spin to stabilize them properly, not from too much spin, in fact the number one reason loss of accuracy is not enough RPM spin more that exceeding the ability of the bullet to maintain its shape.
I use the federal 110s out of my ar10 in 308 it loves them tac driver i also use the federal 95gr with vmax out of my savage 110 precision 6.5 creedmoor also loves them
What speed are you getting out of the 95 vmax in the Creedmoor? Thanks for watching.
3300fps is what federal states on the box i dont own a chronograph but im getting .5 moa groups out of 308 and .3 out of the 6.5
@@406ffroad4 That is superb performance indeed. Thanks.
I always use a refined point of aim and make a plumb line or plumb up one of the lines on your target to help prevent cant if yu dont have a reticle level and your groups will tighten up for sure
You can purchase a bolt lift kit and do a action and bolt polish. The savage actions based off the 110 have terribly heavy bolt lift, it is the only downfall of that action. Nonetheless I love the crap out of my savage model 10. 308 it’s one of the most upgradeable rifles out there.
Yes, I sent the bolt off to a specialist to have it worked on prior to this video, Bolt lift reduced from 8lbs to 5 lbs. Floating bolt head had burrs, firing pin changed and bushings were added. Cost $97, but still very rough cycling as shown here. However the rifle is a very accurate shooter so I will keep it. But will not buy another Savage. My Bergara, Weatherby, Browning and my old Win. model 70 cycles very smooth. Thanks for your comment.
Great video Dave , love watching your videos ....
Thanks 👍
Another great video. Also, as our late great President Ronald Reagan said about the Soviet nuclear treaty when asked if we could trust the Russians- We will trust, but verify. Nice shooting and I also use Federal factory for deer hunting.
Thanks Andy.
Gratitude from Ukraine
I'm contemplating varmint rounds for an AR-10 for home defense. The gun will be a gift. I live in a less desirable neighborhood. It isn't the ghetto but it isn't Manhattan.
Best wishes for your new MSR-10 and thanks for watching.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009, I got the rifle. It is currently loaded with the Federal 130 grain JHP varmint loads. The ammo in this test is currently on my employee purchase sheet. We only had two boxes. Gottem!
That's really good accuracy for factory ammo Dave. With a little work and components I do believe you can improve some. That's a nice set up with the savage but they could do a few things better tho. I will say they do make really good barrels. That's an awesome place to shoot and thanks for bringing us along.
Ronnie, I agree. But I have 80 rounds of the factory stuff to shoot up first. 110 grain bullets are a little overplayed I think. Because I have more suitable varmint rifles in 22 caliber, 243/6mm, 25 caliber and the Grendel with 90 grain bullets. Thanks for your comment.
Great video
Thanks for watching and the kind words.
Another great video Dave, the bullets should be here by Monday and the once fired brass will be prepped and ready. From your testing could you tell a difference in recoil? I’m real curious how it will group at 500yds and at 300+ fps it should be a flatter shooting round. Like the gentleman said before my Bergara could possibly fill the gap between the 223 and the shoulder bruising 168gr 308 and from a previous video I broke out the 52gr SMK for the 223 for a little long range testing. Giddy up
Yes there is less recoil shooting lighter grain bullets. Good luck to you with your handloading.
Thanks you,
Thank you too
Yep good stuff
That’s interesting. I have a .243 that likes bullets in the 100gr range. I tried putting lighter varmint bullets through it and got grapefruit size groups. I assumed it was the twist causing it. Interesting that your .308 shot lighter bullets well. Maybe I’ll have to revisit it,,,
Thanks for watching. .243 with 80-90gn bullets works very well for me.
Varmint rounds 125 are my favorite target rounds. Like a 6.5 with 308 punch.
Spartan or Wolverine?
Wolverine. I was watching your table flex while shooting. I shoot worse off plastic card tables. Great videos. Watched this one twice.
@@eliinthewolverinestate6729 'Hail to the Victors Valliant." Unless they play Ole Notre Dame. HaHa!
Brilliant
Funny this topic comes up. I just won an older M700 Tactical 308 at auction. I
ordered 110 Varmageddon and V-Maxes. Looking forward to testing on ol' Wile E. Coyote.
As the saying goes "Great minds think alike" HaHaHa!
say , are you using horse shoe nails on your targets? just guessing, interesting shape.
I was waiting to see if agents were going to rappel out of helo! I remember right before USA went down and got Noriega there were black helos low flying all around near Scott AFB, maybe practicing urban waypoint navigation?
Yes they are horseshoe nails, I got allot of them. No worries about Black suited Gov't people rappelling out of helicopters because Idaho hunters love moving targets and just need a reason. LOL
Well you are accurate enough. Yes pray for Ukraine
Sandy, Thanks for watching.
I recently started loading these for my 308. I haven't had a chance to use them on game yet, but they have been easy to get decent accuracy with. I'll be interested in seeing some follow-up videos.
We shall see. But I have 80 of these Federal factory screamers to use up first. What powder are you using?
I tried one of these on a rock chuck at a little north of 3000, results were.....impressive.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I had good luck loading these with imr 3031, about 1/2" 5 shot groups.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I've only used IMR 4895 so far. I may try another powder but its been accurate enough I may not bother.
@@nugg3tFTW You turn it into a paste?
I have found that faster will shoot lower and I think because it’s out of the barrel quicker and barrel rise is of less effect. I paused to comment so I’ll see what you think now….. unpause.
Yes, but only at certain distances. Very fast velocities get to the target sooner than slower velocities, therefore the Arc of the trajectory is still closer to the line of the bore under 100 yards or so.
Faster bullet means less time for gravitational acceleration to deviate the bullet.
Agreed. Thanks for your comment.
I love the low kick and accuracy from this round. Although, do you think this could take a deer?
I think it may expand to quick
The 110 V-MAX is a varmint bullet designed for rapid expansion with a high degree of fragmentation upon impact. A better bullet for deer hunting would be a bullet designed to have deeper penetration and low fragmentation.
That bullet might work well for a neck shot, but I wouldn’t be too keen on eating any of the meat anywhere near the shot. If you do a traditional vital v shot, I’d be leery of eating the shoulders. Shoot a little high and I’d avoid the front half of the back straps. These things absolutely come apart in game and lead gets everywhere in extremely small pieces. These are also unlikely to pass through and that means you’re far more likely to have a poor blood trail to track. If you hunt where shots are almost always 150 and in and can comfortably hit the neck then go for it, but there are plenty of excellent bullets that will get the job done that won’t foul the meat nearly as much and will give you a complete pass through that will make for a more reliable tracking job and likely quicker and more humane death for the animal.
Try IMR XBR 8208! I shot a lot of coyotes with the 308 in Rem Varminters during the 80's and 90's with the 110g Sierra HP. This 110g bullet really massacres coyotes, very humane kills!
Thanks for your suggestion and for your comments here.
Tell me please why you chose such a high mount of the scope?
Personal preference. It gives me a more natural eye alignment without having to crane my neck down to the stock. Also allows a more natural adjustable cheek weld and allow the stock to be lower into my shoulder pocket.
I haven't been able to find the 130gr loads. I bought several hundred 110gr. From a Rem700 Varmint 26" with a 40x scope, they cluster in under .5" at 100 meters
Fun to shoot. Thanks for your comment and for watching.
A sheet of 1000 grit wet and dry and some lapping compound will smooth that action up in no time.
What powder are you using?
In this video these are factory Federal 110gn. Vmax. Thanks for watching.
Are you sure with 1/10 twist barrel? What is the maximum poit blank?
Apologies for my pour writing
Yes. 1-10 MPBR is 334 yards. based upon 2" high sight in at 100 yards.
Ezcelent MPBR. My Father is loading 308 for antelope. Y go to recomend that data. Thank you
@@santiagosolaro3962 I would not use the 110 grain V-Max because that is a varmint bullet. Any 150 grain bullet for the 308 Win. would be best. Hornady Reloading manual gives all load data for the 308.
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Lower?
Yes, The scope rides 1-3/4" inches above the bore. With very fast velocity 3,300fps. the bullet hits the target very fast before it has the chance to rise for the bore axis to cross over to the scope reticle center. (Theoretically) this changes your zero to extended ranges over zeroes set for slower velocities.
Lower??
Yes, with the scope 1.5 to 2 inches above the bore, a high velocity, (3,200fps), is moving faster than a slower heavier bullet, therefore the arc of the trajectory will be less at the close distance of 100 yards. The point of impact in this video was lower but not by very much because the scope was adjusted to 1" high at 100 yards for a 150 grain bullet. That is why ballistic tables can be useful to show trajectory at whatever distance you choose to zero at.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 Well I got that wrong! I was thinking faster velocity means less time to target means less time for gravity effect. But had just watched a Vortex nation podcast about harmonics where they mentioned 'positive compensation' where ammo tuned to exit at bottom of 'whip', once zeroed for that then faster bullets exit on downslope of whip while slower bullets exit when whip is moving up, theory is the velocity vs whip balances out and tighter groups, nice theory if able to do in real life.
@@johnh4957 It 's easier than that John, look up MPBR tables per cartridge. Something hunters know allot about is; At what distance does the flight of a bullet rise above and fall below an 8" target window.
Sir, what is your barrel twist rate?
I believe it is the standard 1/10...Thanks for watching.
Are you serious . Hand loading could fix all that your lobing morters compared to hand loading
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how much does the rifle weigh?
With scope, sling, plus heavy rifle barrel of the FCP model, it weighs 13.8 lbs.
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Yes, because of the higher velocity @ 100 yards the bullet trajectory is only starting to rise above the bore, but will be higher after 200 yards by 1+ inch when compared to a 150+ grain projectile.. Way to go Keith.
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Yes.
I like the federal 130 grain JHP rounds simply for defense in my 308 AK. Great round but unfortunately I’ve recently learned federal discontinued the round which is upsetting. However, I would never use 130 grain for hunting. 308 was never my go to hunting rifle/cartridge anyway. My 30-06 is my go to. On another note, the whole Ukraine conflict is nothing but simply a proxy war that the United States government has their hands in and backing. Pray for the people, but not that despicable dictator/ ally of the democrat establishment (Zelensky)
A 308 using any grain bullet is good
Hey Dave, was the action that stiff before the chassis was added?
Worse, before the chassis. I sent the bolt off to a guy who specializes in Savage bolt fixes. He reduced the bolt lift from 8 lbs to 5 lbs and changed the firing pin and spring. It was better but still anything but smooth, (due to Savages cocking ramp and floating bolt head design.) I am used to my other butter smooth bolt action rifles. But this Savage 10 FCP is very accurate despite the action one shot at a time. LOL
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Thanks much...We shall maybe see on your choice of cartridge.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 I like the .308 just fine. Been thinking about a lite bullet in 308 myself. I have a FAL and a 700 SPS varmint. And am currently having a new .308 barrel installed in one of my M1’s. Those are great groups. To me that’s what counts.
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A 308 using any grain bullet is good
Glad to here the .308 Win works well for you, indeed. Thanks for watching.
Yes sir.