@@Marsyyymars No, only Claude. The videos where Byleth is in it are hacked, cause it's the highest move flying class and is convenient for getting the unique dialogues. Also it's spelt Barbarossa.
yeah, I feel like thief lost it's charm because you can buy door and chest keys easily in this game. if maddening made them a rare commodity, then thief wouldn't be so low and maybe if the mastery skill was for every time you use lockpick, you get a chest/door key? or give enemies steal able, handy items that do not get claimed when you kill them. that's how I would fix thief anyway.
I made my Byleth a Hero in my first playthrough on Hard, and I really liked it. It just fits the character well IMO. Also, Mariane as a Holy Knight (even if the class isn't that great) because her riding Dorte into battle is just too cool to ignore.
Brooks Alderman I really like the design of holy knights in this game, I think they’re very aesthetically pleasing, sadly offensive white magic just ain’t it...
Hero!Byleth works very well as a stepping stone, since he wants to get ranks in axes for wyvern and mostly has an easy time getting sword rank. Vantage in the class slot can be nice as well!
I kinda disagree for Priest. Miracle isn't worth it but the class gets doubled Heal uses and +5 healing per use. Healing in the early game can be scarce so putting one unit into the class will make things easier.
It really depends on how many people you get D faith in. On maddening combat experience is so terrible that it honestly makes sense to make everyone a priest and spam heal for exp. In that case the 5-10 uses of heal per unit is plenty.
Holy Knight should have gotten heal +5 on top of white tomefaire, the spell list for offensive white magic just doesn’t have enough going on - there’s nosferatu, seraphim, abraxas and aura and most units are lucky to get 2 of them (Lysithea gets them all except Aura)
True! I wanted to make Lindhardt holy knight but I realized he was actually underperforming and moved him back to Bishop... it was dissapointing even though the whole concept of the holy knight is cool imo.
Another good alternative would have been to give HK Lancefaire. It would have let the class fill a niche that Dark Knight didn't. Besides, the C in lances for most of the master classes is really unnecessary as it stands.
@@j0rgens64pc3 there is 7 total but he also said that he wasn't ranking exclusive classes, but Dancer is a pickable exclusive that changes every playthrough if you decide, so I think it should have been ranked here
Ingrid Falcon Knight with a light lance, evade ring and focus on speed and stuff... I gaved her a dodge build, and she just... stays there against hordes. You can basically tank by actually not getting hit once. I really enjoy building Ingrid that way now, and she got rid of quite a big pack of enemies! Unmounting her will take away a tiny bit of her evasion but she won't get extra damage from bows and can get efects from the ground like a forrest or even thickets without slowing down to get there in the first place. I could talk about a lot of other classes and whatnot, but I just wanted to mention dodge builds in general. One of the downsides of this strategy is the lack of offensive power towards long distance enemies, but can be countered if you use certain gambits to give her distant counter or *spoilers* equip your unit the chalice, another way to counter a dodge build is to fight an enemy with a crit weapon/high crit chance. At the end it's about using your cards well and having more options so make it work!
Astra Grinded out axes and got alert stance+, got him dancer for sword avoid +20, 10+ dodge from his personal skill, +15 dodge from Cichol wyvern corps and +20 dodge from his time skip personal skill. More dodge from sword prowess. Not to mention his 60% strength and 50% speed growth made him into a beast. Throw some stat boosters into the mix and he was unstoppable.
@@owenskalvalki3057 Thats alot of work for one unit. I just gave my Cyril a bunch of strength and mov stat boosters during my maddening run. Oh and Cichol Wyvern Co. Alert Stance+ is so broken
I think priest should be stepping stone mainly because characters like lysithea might go into it to get warp faster, which is one thing but like fortress knight is there and it just has being an adjutant and weight -3, which I think warp outdoes even if you combine their value
Cordeliafrey I usually go priest as well, mainly because I rarely find myself using healers to attack and leave them in bishop for endgame. I’m not sure how much of a difference the extra heals make tho
Fiendish blow is gonna be more useful on someone like Lysithea. Someone like Linhardt who is more utility than combat might benefit from priest more than mage. Also dont count guard adjutaunts out
For beating Death Knight, anyone with a C in lances gets knightkneeler, and the Lance of Ruin is incredibly strong and available extremely early. Base level Shamir can also beat the Death Knight with some support like a rally from Annette. He's not that hard of a boss
AkameGaKillfan777 I beat the second encounter with him with clever usage of gambits on my first playthrough. I think I killed him with Lysithea on my second playthrough. Basically what I’m saying is that I usually come out of that month underleveled, due to invoking the Lord British Postulate on the Death Knight, and starting the mission on the first day of that month.
I like mastering Dark Mage on my archers when I get an Experience Gem. Poison Strike makes a pretty big difference against strong units and/or commanders. This also procs with gambits and onagers.
Mortal Savant is used more to maximize damage output than to use two types of damage. One person could actually make good use of the Mortal Savant in the end game, and that is Marianne. She has Blutgang with Beast Fang and is good at swords, she can easily reach S+ in sword and one-shot almost every one with Beast Fang in the end game. This allows her to have an even higher damage output than Lysithea.
The thing I dislike about the Gremory class, is that they lose any tomefaires they might have had, If your looking for an offensive magic user, I would recommend Warlock, or Dark Knight if they have the riding skills.
The offensive mages are usually powerful enough without the +5, and they would prefer extra magic uses. Gremory is also great for Lysithea who gets nothing from Warlock. I also think Valkyrie is better than Dark Knight, as Lysithea and Hapi can snipe things from as far as 7 spaces away, and then canto away, and they’ll OHKO if they’ve been recruited sicne early game.
elijah huggins I think Gremory is good for white and dark magic users. Lysithea, Manuela, Mercedes come to mind. Double warp is great too. I suggest warlock for pure black magic mages. Annette, Dorothea, and Constance i feel do really well in these classes. I think black tome faire is such a good skill. My Constance was one shotting a whole bunch in certain cases and double bolting is great too.
It is still a class with game high +5 mag as modifier, so its -3 dmg from warlock, downgrade dmg wise. It's an actual hybrid class, sacrifice a little dmg for double faith magic uses and one more move. Is that worth it? I'd say it depends.
My thoughts on which Classes are useful to promote to. Any I don't mention, I see little to no value in. > Soldier's Reposition is an excellent Field Combat Art that can play a key role in moving Units closer to where they need to be. Defense +2 isn't too useful, however. > Myrmidon, Fighter, and Monk are the opposite--Speed +2, Strength +2, and Magic +2 can all be nice earlygame but Swap is far too situational to be useful; Shove it completely outclassed by Smite; and while Draw Back isn't terrible, I'd sooner recommend just learning Reposition or Smite. > Brigand's Death Blow, Mage's Fiendish Blow, and Archer's Hit Rate +20 are Skills I'd almost say are too useful to NOT learn. A free +6 damage and +20% Accuracy every time you initiate combat is just simply excellent, precious few other ways to describe it. > Pegasus Knight's Darting Blow can be similarly useful but primarily on Units like Petra or Leonie who are incredibly fast but not quite fast enough to reliably double. The Class itself is excellent as well. > Warlock gives Bowbreaker via Mastery which is certainly useful lategame, given the absurd number of Snipers and Bow Knights the game likes to throw at you. The Class also gives Black Tomefaire and, while less flexible than Dark Knight, is still a decent final Class option. > Bishop, however, is a far superior option, especially for Units like Linhardt, Lysithea, Hapi, and Manuela who all learn Warp. It lacks any ~faires but double Faith uses means 2 Warps which, even it you're not LTCing, can be useful for getting people out of sticky situations or just getting around the Map. > Assassin is overall just a solid Class with 06 Movement and Swordfaire. Lethality is trash but the Class itself is excellent. > Same case with Grappler, although Tomebreaker is excellent for similar reasons to Bowbreaker and 06 Movement alongside Fierce Iron Fist allowing 3 attacks regardless of AS is great. > Sniper is one of the game's best Classes, sporting Bowfaire, 1-3 range with Bows, and Hunter's Volley upon Mastery which grants two guaranteed attacks and, running off of Sniper's base Strength, is virtually stat-immune. > Paladin is the best option for obtaining Lancefaire on a male Unit. Even unmounted, you still retain 06 Movement, which is higher than most other Advanced Classes. > Wyvern Rider is fine to hang around in until Wyvern Lord but don't stay any longer. > Wyvern Lord and Falcon Knight are the game's two best Classes with Canto, 08 Movement, flight, Avoid +10, and overall excellent stats. Not much else to say. > War Master is IMO not as good as Grappler due to a lack of versatility in comparison but Axefaire AND Fistfaire combined with Crit +20 can ensure that Crits are frequent and powerful. Quick Reposte comes FAR too late to be useful unless you're planning on doing NG+. > Dark Knight is your only option for Dark Tomefaire and is essentially a magic-oriented Paladin with 1 less Movement. Still leaves you with 06 Movement even unmounted however. > Gremory grants no ~faires but double uses on all forms of Magic, perfect for Lysithea and Hapi. > Dark Flier is a magic-using flying Class with Canto. I honestly think that alone makes it good. > Valkyrie is odd, sporting only 06 Movement--04 Movement when unmounted, and no ~faires. But the +1 range to Dark and Black Magic effectively makes the Class a magic-oriented Archer so I think it's fine. > Trickster by itself is trash. Just so happens that Foul Play is an excellent Field Combat Art that only it can use. I think it's good to have at least one handy.
@@yumm3608 To me Grappler vs War Master boils down to the unit's speed. If you can quad like Felix: War Master +20 crit is better but if you can't you'll get a lot more mileage out of Fierce Iron Fist than War Master Strike. A similar argument can be made between Sniper and Bow Knight but with Bow Knight you'd want at least 1 good bow Combat Art. Curved Shot is nice but it's only 1 Mt and you're going to need more damage at some point.
@@yumm3608 What G.N.S. said. Enemies are in general much faster on Maddening and some Unit with good Speed that could pretty reliably double on Hard will suddenly find themselves struggling to do so on Maddening. And the lategame Grapplers, Assassins, and Falcon Knights are so fast that even your fastest Units like Petra, Leonie, and such will have a hard time doubling them. So stuff like Brave Weapons, Hunter's Volley, Fierce Iron Fist, Swift Strikes, and so on are all really good due to this.
I’m using a bow knight Ashe with hit plus 20 and Edmund battalion that gives hit +40 and a accuracy ring meaning range penalty’s don’t affect me and he was speed blessed and some speed carrots made him a beast. Also Marianne is the only good mortal savant because of her relic and she has such low speed anyways it doesn’t matter. She also got stupidly blessed having something like 36 magic at level 30 with no boasters.
Id say Manuela would make a good Mortal Savant since her magic and strength growths are identical to each other and just as a 60 speed growth so she would reliably double
@@twistmebabe eh, Manuela has two problems. Firstly, her weakness in Reason hurts for getting her into the class. Secondly, her mixed offenses are too weak to really do damage, you're better off focusing on either utility or focusing down either physical or magical for offensive potential. Felix is more passable, he still has physical as his better damage but the magic can back him up for range and/or physical tanks, and his speed is good enough to survive the hit. His only issue is that he's better at other classes, so there's not much reason to put him into Mortal Savant.
Mortal Savant Byleth slapped on my first playthrough. Went Fighter - Brigand then got Enlightened One. Used Enlightened till i got to about lvl 37 and went into Mortal Savant and man my strength+magic were pretty damn high.
@@ultimaterecoil1136 Poison Strike yes, but Venin weapons I believe count as status effects, which the Commander ability nullifies. Even then, after Nemesis attacks, he starts moving.
Holy Knight is so close to being great. If it had double white magic use and was slightly less restrictive in its riding and lance requirements, it'd be an incredible healing class. I tried it out on Mercedes on my first playthrough on hard and it took a huge investment, but having her healing cover nearly an entire map and giving her canto was absolutely amazing. I really did miss the extra healing uses though. I sadly agree with the ranking, but I definitely encourage it for people looking to do something a little different with their healers. There's a niche worth exploring here.
I used Dimitri as a Paladin for most of the game (including the final mission). He was an absolute beast, tanking hits, moving around the map with ease, and hitting like a truck. He was better than my own character for pretty much the whole game.
Great Knight was severely undervalued here. You get lance and axe faires, weight -5 and a HORSE. The growth rates are meh, but the class can soak up hits and actually keep up with your army. If anything, fortress knight is a stepping stone to GK since GK does everything an FK can do, but with actual mobility. FK does have great class modifiers and growths for what its worth.
GK is not much stronger than paladin, has lower mov, and requires investment in armor AND cavalry to get to. Class itself isn't bad but the benefits of it don't outweigh how much of a pain in the ass it is to get to
@@elgatto3133 Can attest to this, like when you are there it's fine to pretty good. But getting their especially on NG is just not a great time, paladin/FK is just less of a hassle and can get you higher in your skills to get good stuff like move +1 aswell as a higher authority rank.
The primary use for the calvary classes is to keep a swift line together. Main reason for holy knight, great knight i have just used it with out really looking at it just going for a master class push for all my units, which I have recruited all recruitables for golden deer.
Honestly, lances are only good if you’re Dmitri or a falcon knight, wyvern classes and axe classes give a feature with better perks, weight -5 is pretty useless once your strength and/or speed are high enough, and cavalry in general is pretty trash in this game simply because anything that isn’t neutral terrain slows them down substantially more than being on foot, meaning you have to lose the reasons you went for a mounted class in the fist place to get literally anywhere or get stuck behind everyone. Great Knight is definitely the worst of the cavalry classes too.
I think you’re undervaluing priest a bit. Once your main healers like Mercedes, Marianne, or Linhardt get fiendish blow, I think it’s worth switching to priest just for the extra +5 healing.
To be honest, one of my favourite parts of assassin > sword master is how assassin ignores trees and forest terrain for their movement. They've got a lot of mobility on forested maps that other grounded units just lack.
There’s literally one mage that works with Poison Strike and Lifetaker. And that’s Lorenz Hellman Gloucester. This guy is practically the epitome of jack of all trades, master of none, and as a consequence is the bulkiest mage around. He does decent damage for a mage and can still finish people off, so he can afford take some hits and suck off his victims afterwards. Hell, Poison Strike isn’t too bad on Lorenz either against monsters (although that’s something you can to keep in reserve until you’re actually facing a lot of monsters, and even then you’re better off just mastering Mage and leaving behind Intermediate for good). Exclusively for Lorenz, Dark Bishop is “Master and Move On” tier and Dark Mage is “Stepping Stone.” Everyone else? Nah. Don’t bother with that shit. Just nuke them as usual.
Huberts spell list makes him a debuff monster which poison strike fits well into to make enemy units easier to finish off. I gotta though, say someone had the idea of putting an archer through dark mage for poison strike, it seems really good to have, but terrible to train, really interesting idea
I think mercedes is the best tank mage around. Her RSL is high to tank all magic damage and Nosferatu allows her to tank 1-2 physical hits. Plus she heals herself with her personal ability on the next turn. Definitely great to have her on maddening
I agree on Dark Mage, but for a slightly different reason. My reasoning is this: I don't want to deal with Death Knight to get the necessary Dark Seal for the class, and Hubert is the only character that can really make use of the class, being the only male that can even learn Dark Magic naturally.
I’ve learned the hard way how important it is to have flyers on your squad. I got to the Reunion at Dawn on Maddening and I’m completely stuck with underpowered players. I had benched some of my core members for newer recruits. Big mistake. Starting over and paying attention to the class abilities now. So much planning required 😅
I think Mortal Savant's viability depends on which character types are classing into it. I consider it to be more of an upgrade to mages than an upgrade to swordsmen Mage type characters like Linhardt and Marianne fit it perfectly, they can swing a Levin Sword for the Sword part. But sword people like Felix or Catherine? No, don't put them into that class, keep them as a Swordmaster or graduate them into Falcoknights/Warmaster.
Felix as a Mortal Savant was my best character on my first play through. I’ve heard the arguments against it but I think I was just lucky with his stats that it made him untouchable and always one shot everybody.
Poison strike would be so much better if not for the requirement of needing to initiate to make use of it. If you could use it in tandem with impregnable wall, it would be amazing. As it currently exists, it's probably pretty useless except maybe against high hp monsters/bosses as there are way better ways of dealing chip damage. Edit-I don't think you have to master dark mage to get to dark bishop. You just have to learn the class iirc. Though I agree with you 100% that low risk strategies with caduceus/thyrsus with mages is the way to go.
only disagree with great knight. Giving up just a teensie bit of defense - they still have very high even if a little lower than fortress knight - for the movement and Canto is a very good trade in my opinion. It's a lot of work to get there though. My Byleth is pulling of a good Mortal Savant right now, but Byleth is one of the few characters who can.
It's not ranking the classes in terms of how good they are it's how worth staying in them is. Wyvern rider is fantastic but its not worth mastering so as soon as you can become a wyvern Lord there is no reason not to.
I think War Cleric has an argument for Endgame Ready on the basis that is gives female units access to Fistfaire. Catherine and female Byleth especially appreciate this option. Heck, the existence of Aura Knuckles (albeit very late in the game) means that mages even get a brave effect attacking option without having to sacrifice their ability to cast magic. It's by no means an efficient path to get there, but the possibility exists.
@@TheSlammurai You don't need Catherine for flying Thunderbrand tho. You can't use the combat art without crest of Charon. But anyone with a crest can use Thunderbrand without taking recoil damage. Felix, Ingrid and Byleth make for good fliers with Thunderbrand, probably better than Catherine at times. Plus any brave sword will do.
I’ve only just started trying to get good at 3 houses, I got really bored on my first run and only just came back to it. It’s been a bit intimidating to analyze all of this information at once, because I wasn’t able to learn as I went like the rest of y’all. Obviously I knew how busted deathblow, darting blow, and fiendish blow are, but stuff like this makes it easier to chunk the info in my mind, so thank you!
people sleep on great knight way to much it is an amazing endgame class. Mobile tank that can use either axes or lances effectively to circumvent enemy breaker skills. Hilda, Sylvain, ferdie, even Ingrid can function great in it. For maddening since being able to double is rare to begin with and almost everyone not wielding swords and gauntlets gets doubled, you might as well be able to tank those physical hits, and as for magic enemies. preatty much anyone on maddening is going to die if they get doubled unless they have high res. Planning for it isnt that hard either even if going from a base game. It takes a bit of planning for non NG+ run but its doable to get someone there well before the game is finished. I wont say it holds a candle to WL of FK but it is far from a dont waste your time class
@@TheSlammurai ohh yea great knight dedue is amazing as well I left him out initally because i went off of my maddening mode play throughs where the chapters and grind time he misses really hinders him. If he isn't your absolute fav unit someone has probably stepped in to fill the void he left.
I know you said War Monk isn’t as impressive, but isn’t it the only way to get fist faire for females. I feel like that should have been mentioned and with 6 mov that could be endgame ready for someone like Hilda or Catherine even if there are better options.
Azure Greatheart Oh whoops! You are right. Regardless, getting the certification doesn’t require you to spend time in the class. I would still suggest not using thief in battle. But that’s just my thought.
Excellent tier list overall! There are but a few missteps that I would see corrected. (Disclaimer, I have not started Maddening yet so there are potentially elements that I am overlooking for each of these items.) Priest should be in stepping stone for *Byleth* specifically. If you're going Magic Byleth, Faith is substantially easier to train up than Reason for multiple reasons, and if you're going Male Byleth, Priest is your only early option for that sweet sweet +10% Charm Growth. However, it is undeniable that for literally every other character in the game, Priest is an easy "don't waste your time," so this is more of a nitpick than anything. War Monk/Cleric I would consider endgame ready considering it's the only way to give women Fistfaire, and also Pneuma Gale is situationally useful. Conversely, I would put Valkyrie in "master it and move on" for much the same reason Pegasus Knight is in that tier. As great as it is, Dark Knight is just strictly better, trading the +1 Ranges for +1 Move and Faires.
I don't get why Gremories can't just have Magic Uses ×2, Tomefaire and something else. Warriors promoted into War Masters go from Axe Crit+10 to Crit+20.
I'm making Sylvain and Ferdinand Great Knights because they're two of the best tanks on my team, but I also want them to have Lancefaire to go with their Swift Strikes. Having access to axefaire with Lancebreaker as well can make them a good counter against Falcon Knights.
I have a funny story of Great Knight, I was plaining to use silvayn as an ajutant for Dimitri on one BL maddening playthrough and and teach him in axes and armor, what happened is that I forget the Sylvain paralogue so I was forced to teach him in a hurry and make him a cavalier fast, I decided to use him at the end and by the chapter 14 he has an 86% of great Knight and he already mastered Fortress and paladin, I ended with a 60+ hp Sylvain with almost 60 protection aegis and pavise lmao, It actually worked really well, but that an isolated case, great Knight is not very good
I'm not hardcore into 3H, I've played 2 routes on normal, the first time the master classes got me by surprise, I didn't knew the advanced classes would be enough, I had Felix in swordmaster and didn't that master servant required reason, I had Sylvain in paladin and didn't knew dark Knight required reason and I had Dedue in fortress Knight and didn't knew that great knight required riding so I had to teach them all the way
All of them are end game ready. Though Edelgard would appreciate a class with more move in many instances. I would probably say Barbarossa is the best followed by great lord and enlightened one. And emperor is the worst of the 4.
@@bobfan2821 I consider Enlightened One to be slightly better than Mortal Savant, mainly because better stats, in particular SPD, so you're not completely slowed down
@@shiny9690 they both get 1 point of spd from class change. Mortal savant decreases spd growth by only 10%. Thats 1 spd less every 10 level ups, which doesn't make EO faster by much. I could see the argument where EO doesn't require passing certificate and comes earlier, but still I would use EO as a stepping stone to get MS, if I ever want to use it. Both are trash anyways.
Honestly, the one reason I kick the Death Knight's ass is... because I feel badass kicking the Death Knight's ass. The very act is a reward in and of itself.
Mastering the beginning classes is likely to happen anyway just from normal play, but Magic +2 and Speed +2 are the only ones I ever used in later play. Also, weirdly enough, Draw Back... a combat art I never used until Maddening. Armor Knight is also good for getting extra defense stat ups in the early game. It is also a very easy class to master and increase armor skills in for -weight abilities. A great skill to have on early and even later game Maddening mode. Dark Mage... Poison Strike is situationally useful against boss monsters, but yeah. Only needs unlocking to get to Dark Bishop. Mercenary needs to be mastered. Vantage is broken. Like insanely broken. Even on Maddening, it is too good. The game tricks you because it's a sword class, but it's greatest use is on magic classes. Putting Vantage on someone like Lysithea or Constance? Sea of bodies. Thief actually has a hilarious side effect where you can steal the Dark Gem and Dark Thyrsus on Claude's route. Pointless, but funny, so Steal gets a pass for that alone. Also good for early game with 5 movement and not being hindered by all the damn trees. Brawler is good for one thing- Unarmed combat. Is it useful? No. Is it hilarious to take on an entire army and ancient dragons with my bare hands? Yes. Yes it is. Darting Blow is useful on any female unit, physical or not. AS + 6 is crazy good. It is the best early game class by far. Assassin is fine as an endgame class because of the better movement along with Swordfaire. Would've preferred Bowfaire over Locktouch... Hero is weird. Built in Vantage is amazing, but why is skilling up Axe a requirement when it doesn't even get Axefaire? Warrior is one of those that would be good if it weren't for the existence of Wyvern classes. There's no sense in using them when you can use the superior Wyvern Rider/Lord. But Wrath can have its uses so it's good to master. Dark Bishop is good for one reason, and that's the Lifetaker skill upon mastery. One of the best abilities in the whole game. Unfortunately only males learn it. Combine it with Vantage and you have not a man, but a death machine that slaughters all in his path. I put them on Byleth and he was basically unkillable, even during Maddening mode. Yeah, it's both player and enemy phase. I would know. It's another one that fools you because it's a magic class but it benefits fast weapon users most. Falcon Knight is the best. I hate that it's sex restricted. It's the greatest. Wyvern Lord is also the greatest. My only wish is that there with another version with Lancefaire. Great Knight is not great. The only advantage over Fortress Knight is the movement, which is admittedly nice, but Weight -5 is just way too good to give up. Holy Knight makes me sad. Get rid of Terrain Resist for White Magic x 2 or Heal +10. Hell, get rid of White Tomefaire too. There are like 4 white magic attacks in the game and they're all ass. It should've just been a healing based class. Mortal Savant is... different. A sword user is better off using Swordmaster, Hero, or Assassin, a magic user is better off using Warlock or Gremory. And it doesn't get Dark Tomefaire for some reason. Why does it only have 2 abilities? For a Master Class... I'm annoyed because I like the idea of a mixed Sword/Magic user. War Master is good. Good movement, great abilities, great mastery skill. Yeah, just suffers from competition with Grappler and Wyvern Lord. Trickster... never really found a use for it besides getting some early stat ups for the mages. Yuri's the only one who can use Foul Play properly because of his relic. The 6 move is nice tho. War Monk is another one that it hilarious but is not too useful. I guess if you wanted a female unit with Fistfaire... Dark Flier is good. Only flying magic user. Good movement, good skills, but it suffers from that 3 skill slot limitation. Would've loved Black Magic uses x 2. Dark Valkyrie is basically just an easier to get Dark Knight for women only without the tomefaires. Not awful, but you'll probably just dump it for Dark Knight.
Edelgard can do both Physical and Magic at the same time and do excellent at both, so she is no doubt the best Mortal Savant in the game, but Dark Knight is actually a better option for her as a Mixed offensive and tank unit, Edelgard is one of the most versatile units in the game. War Monk/Cleric is a great Class to stay in if you're a female unit, since there's no other option for them in a Brawling Class
I'd argue that Priest should be considered for some magic units. For example, if you take Blue Lions with their "canon" classes, you've got Annette and Mercedes. In my experience, you get Fiendish Blow in the mid-teens, so you've got 4-6 levels before you can go Advanced. In this time, you CAN keep the two girls in mage, or you can reclass Mercedes into Priest for a bit. This helps to put up her healing utility, which is her main function. This can make a difference in a pinch, and she's not getting much from staying in mage. Certainly not the biggest issue, but the class can be useful for a couple months once Fiendish Blow has been acquired, until you hit level 20.
Pretty sure the brawler class can move through forest tiles unimpeded and has a additional speed growth, which the brigand doesn't have. It can be good to use if you've already mastered brigand but are not high enough level to promote to a higher tier class yet.
Mortal Savant was a sick class with an awesome concept, but unfortunately, you are right. The only character I've really managed to optimize with it is Felix, who only learns Thunder and Thoron. 😭 Dorothea can use it, but it's not worth it. You should just make her a Warlock or Gremory because w/o Levin Sword, she is not doing a sliver of damage. As for Great Knight, I also agree, and the only real viable character to use it on is Gilbert to me. It's not worth getting at all for Ferdinand and Silvain imo. The stat drops are crazy and it also has less movement, the only one who it really benefits is Gilbert. In any case, that's my honest opinion. Otherwise, really good tier list. If anyone wants to agree or disagree with me, feel free.
i made ferdie into a great knight, and he was op as fuck, could one shot anything, so i think it’s good for ferdie. i never used gilbert so idk abt him, but for sylvain- i always make him a dark knight because i like seeing him use magic.
I feel like brawler is a good stepping stone for certain units after mastering brigand, characters like dedue and Raphael really benefit from the added speed growth, and it should be easy to get to because they should be using gauntlets to begin with. It’s not worth mastering, but if you have some time after you master brigand, you should send certain units into it until they reach level 20.
Mortal Savant, while not optimal, could be an option for Dorothea or offensive Marianne. Swordfaire for CAs, Tomefaire for their spells, and the standard 6 move are good enough. Could also be used by an Ignatz that's tired of going bows every playthrough.
This.... Is a poorly thought out list. The tiers tell you nothing about how useful the classes are outside of a pair of binaries. "Are they usable or not" and "do they give a useful skill". Which leads to a scenario where all the master classes are either tier one or shit tier. Which should never be the case. Wyvern Lord should probably be in its own tier. The notion that Dark Knight is anywhere near Gremory is kind of absurd considering the latter's absolute superiority. An actual tier division would probably be something like: 1) Wyvern Lord, Mage, Pegasus Knight, Brigand. Either the best class in the game, or possessing skills that you'll go out of your way to get, even on units who don't intend to use the weapon or movement type. One will, on occasion, consider the possibility of taking units who are weak with axes- Like, say, Bernadetta- And wonder if it's not just a better idea to turn them into Wyvern lords. Like, you could get darting blow and death blow, super focus on axes, get to C+ in lances for vengeance. Smash and Vengeance for combat arts, the blows with Axe and Lance prowess, with a smattering of Defiant Crit, she'd kill everything. But so would basically anyone else. 2) Falcon Knight, Bow Knight, War Master, Gremory, Dancer, Warrior, Paladin, Bishop, Grappler, Archer, Monk, Fighter, Soldier. Classes that are worth focusing on or lead directly to superior classes. You should be able to go from the beginning of the game to the end using only classes in these two tiers, and will generally be rewarded for doing so. All female mages have no reason not to go Gremory. Linhardt really just ends up being best as a bishop, and Hubert is a pain to deal with. Dancers are just useful. The best class progression in the game is generally Fighter/Soldier into Pegasus Knight/Brigand, the other of the two if female, Warrior until level thirty once you get the blow abilities, and Wyvern Lord. Or stay in Pegasus Knight until they can turn into a Falcoknight. Fighter into brigand into Grappler into War Master just throws all the good things in the world onto one pile and says, damage. You have it. Add to that the fact Quick Riposte has the additional effect of making it so that enemies don't double you when they're faster and you've got some amazing nonsense for men who can't ride pegasii. The fact that Bow Knight isn't universally powerful, and is really only prominent in the hands of two characters(Leonie/Bernadetta) would normally make me put it in tier three, but Point Blank Volley and Vengeance/Encloser are so solid and intrinsically worth going for that I have to put it here. Brigand/Pegasus Knight would be Leonie's ideal intermediary classes with Paladin when they're mastered, and Archer-Paladin for Bernie, throwing in Brigand if possible. That is the only reason why Archer and Paladin are in this tier. Deadeye isn't going to aim itself. Even now I have my doubts about both, because Archer's really only there for Deadeye which is very much so non-essential. Bernie's one of the few units that massively rewards you for putting a ton of effort into over-developing her skills. The only characters that aren't at home in these classes would probably be.... Lorenz/Hubert/Hanneman, who keep Dark Knight out of tier four. And Catherine, I guess. Shamir is also such a pain to get out sniper, and a mediocre unit even with hunter's volley, that she's usually better off as a sniper. 3) Dark Knight, Wyvern Rider, Dark Bishop, Warlock, Sniper, Assassin, Swordmaster, Hero, Priest, Dark Mage, Brawler, Cavalier, Thief, Mercenary, Lord, Myrmidon. Usable but suboptimal or gimmicky. There really aren't any good sword options that are really worth going for long term. There are perhaps three units in the entire game, four including DLC, who are worth considering swords for, and all can be made just as(if not more) useful in other roles. 4) Holy Knight, Great Knight, Mortal Savant, Fortress Knight, Armored Knight. There are no real scenarios where these classes are good ideas, requiring far more dedication to achieve an inferior result than other classes. The only faith based unit in the game that can't just become a Gremory is better off just staying a Bishop, swords are suboptimal at the best of times and are only made worse by trying to gish, and armored units are absolutely horrible in this game because they possess horrible movement capabilities and no ranged capabilities, only made worse by absolutely abysmal growth rates. The four DLC classes would fit mostly into tier three, though War Monk is arguably tier four as it's also a gish attempt, and Valkyrie is arguably tier two for the sole fact that it gives you extra magic range. As much as I do adore the dark flier, it's not really worth the amount of extra effort required, and while it's not bad, your fliers are usually better off staying as fliers and your mages are usually better off staying as mages.
I only agree with you because brawler isn't really all that useless but sniper is actually very good for what you ranked it. Of course I'm still learning so I'll have to research why you place it lower.
@@deemac3470 Sniper legitimately only has one saving grace from what I've found, that being hunter's volley. Which is the best class mastery combat art, sure, but that's like being the tallest dwarf. Not a large accomplishment. Generally speaking, you only leave a unit in sniper if they've got problems and need to rely on hunter's volley as a crutch. Which is to say units you should probably avoid using. The actual good archers, namely Leonie and Bernadetta, are 100% Paladin into bow knight gals. Leonie's already really fast/has access to darting blow and defiant speed, and thus could really care less about a guaranteed double, and Bernie's primarily just going to be using vengeance on everything while using her bows as either a baiting or chipping tool. Mind, that list was slapped together rather hastily and thus in no way perfect, but I still see no reason to ever bother with making a unit a sniper.
@@MalevolentDivinity You said it's a poorly thought out list, when it's only their opinion. Plenty of people disagree with you about Sniper. They go through the classic specifically BECAUSE they want Hunter's Volley. You said it yourself: it's the best Class Mastery Combat Art in the game, being able to one-round an enemy from up to 4 spaces away. And Shamir gets TONS of praise because of her high dex, meaning she has decent crit based off the stat alone. Ignatz has an extra Hit +20 built in as his personal, which stacks with the Archer Class Mastery and is really helpful on Maddening where Bows have an even bigger hit penalty from 3+ spaces away. Speaking of which, are you talking about Maddening? Because most people do prefer Sniper over Bow Knight, since the latter can't reliably one-round enemies, except occasionally with Brave Bows, but a build that only works with one weapon isn't going to be very helpful in the long-run, and Brave Weapons are finite because unlike Gauntlets, you only get limited ore to forge and repair them with past the few you get at the Armory and Renown Statue. You're barely able to quad enemies except for Armored Classes most of the time, which obviously won't go down nearly as much unless you have effective weapons like Hammers, or use magic. Bow Knights mediocre stats aren't a problem on Normal or Hard if you want to beat enemies from a distance then retreat, but enemies with lower defense are too speedy for Bow Knights to double, especially since they're slower than Snipers, and you'll often need at least one crit to win, which Hunter's Volley provides. There's plenty of reasons why Sniper is better than Bow Knight, and this isn't a poorly thought out list just because someone agrees with you. I've personally made a couple of magic dodge tanks with Dark Fliers, so I personally enjoy using it.
Thief is situationally useful and it's good to have one fast unit for it early on. The two lords that you defeat on Field of Eagle and Lion each drop a ring which is very nice. If you've been leveling and training responsibility you should have plenty of time to certify for thief, grab the nice items, then reclass.
If nobody else, Byleth should be the one unit to master Thief. They can use Steal far better than anyone else thanks to having constant access to the convoy and being one of the most likely units on the team to outspeed enemies.
An argument that can be made for Great Knight is for someone like Gilbert who can go into extremely easily, and you can make the argument that Ferdinand is also a good Great Knight with Lance fare and swift strike while being able to get there extremely easily
Once you have mastered Fortress Knight, it's not too hard to make the character a Great Knight, and I value greatly the added mobility. Having your tank quickly at his needed place (usually at choke points of sorts) is invaluable to me. Of course, you can use March ring or Boots or something like that to compensate for the mobility of FK, but for me it doesn't cut it. I'd rather have Chalice of Begginings on my tank and use boots on an attacker such as a Wyvern Lord or a Falcon Knight.
i copied a page out of maddening mode and made ashe train in magic,have felix kill the death knight and have ashe become a dark mage and master it to then become a bow knight
So for hero, I would say its normally dont waste your time, but some units who already have a high crit chance do appreciate defiant strength. I literally just finished a NG Golden Deer maddening run, and got ignatz to Master it, ended up as a sniper, and was really good. He has low strength, so wants death blow, and has hit +20 as a personal, so doesn't NEED Archer, and has a boon for swords, and as a sniper, really you only want to focus on bows, and authority (which is also a boon) to be, he can afford to Master it. With hunter's volley, at worst its 16 damage, but usually he has obscene crit, so it turned him into one of my better units, honestly was more useful than even Claude. He's the only one I can think of who'd really want it though. Maybe Felix if you plan to have him end as a War Master, idk though. Also Wyvern Rider gets Seal Defense, super trash. Finally, for Great Knight, if you already have the Axe and armor rank, you can try for certification at D+ riding, C will get you better than 50% chance to pass, and its 3 more movement, id definitely say its worth it.
I'm not sure about paladin tbh. IMO it's not a good class when compared to some of the other mounted classes. All it offers is Lance faire and that's pretty much it. Which is nice but male units get screwed with Lance since they don't have falcon knight. I definitely wouldn't rank it so highly but it's definitely the only Lance faire option for guys.
@@mevox I wouldn't tbh. My first playthrough was Blue Lions and I really felt the disadvantage in making both Dimitri and Sylvain early game cavalier and paladin. It killed their speed and both have decent speed growth. I'd much rather have them endgame as bow knight while avoiding paladin early on to make them better bow knight with higher stats. Subsequent Blue Lions runs I now only use wyvern Lord Sylvain and occasionally bow knight Dimitri when I'm in the mood. But I never go cavalier - paladin - bow knight anymore because I value their speed more than Lance faire.
Leigh Needleman use the dismount function more. You gain +2 spd. Also it is only -10% spd penalty. Thats on avg 1 point of spd less they are getting every level up(which easily can be made up by gardens).
@@bobfan2821 That doesn't make paladin good. I can dismount as a bow knight too. You can also dismount fliers to avoid archers. Paladin isn't better and the only advantage is Lance faire, which I already said isn't enough for me to prefer paladin early or late game.
Leigh Needleman i never said pali was better and also i dont think the tier list is ordered. Ofc i agree bow knight is better but units with swift strike rlly need lance flair. FED should’ve made another tier for viable but better options.
I feel that Hero is a bit undervalued here, as you do not need to master warrior necessarily to get wrath. On the units that have battalion wrath (which is relatively easy to maintain once vantage comes into play), switching into hero, with assistance from a retribution gambit and a high crit weapon means they can clear entire sections of maps with little trouble, even if they are slightly underleveled. This is especially useful when playing fast during the early rout maps post timeskip, as the enemies there can take a very long time to clear out normally.
I'd argue for Hero to be Master and move on or Endgame ready just for the fact that it gives you Swordfaire and vantage opening slots for others skills. More skills in this game are always great
Delta _ no it makes no sense for it to be in that category. Mastering hero give u defiant str which is terrible. Hero only gives you an opening slot if you plan on using vantage, which is consider not that great.
Honestly if Hero had Axefaire of top of those 2 it would be a very good class. As of now it's a slower swordmaster minus Sword Crit+10 and instead Vantage, a skill most of them learn by going Mercenary anway.
@@g.n.s.153 The only advantage to hero is that it gives you vantage as a class skill saving room for your other skills instead. Which is a nice perk tbh but it's not as good skill wise as swordmaster with Sword faire plus sword crit +10
In my Maddening BE run, I put Edelgard on a Wyvern and I have never seen someone hit for a raw 32 damage Wyvern + Death Blow is just a disgusting Combo. I’m so glad I have Ferdinand, Petra, and Edelgard as Wyvern riders.
Hi here is my feedback: You are right. Poison Strike sucks in NG. But is amazing in NG+. The extra chip damage early/against monsters is very valuable on the likes of Ignatz and other chippers like Linhardt or Felix. But indeed not worth planning to in clean NG. Priest should be a stepping stone. Not for the skill or faith magic. But heal +5 can work really well, especially on the healers you get in your house like Lin, Merc and Mari. That 5 HP can save lives. Warlock is a master an move on class. Especially now since the DLC is out. Units like Marianne or Dorothea could benefit a lot from bowbreaker, and so can male mages like Lorenz and Hubert. You don't want to be 4 mov locked, yet Bishop is worth it because of its preset skills. Ultimately Dark Knight/Gremory/Dark Flier/Valkyrie/Bishop are the best end game magic classes. Mortal Savant is decent on a Black Mage with a proficiency in sword. I have used it on Marianne with high success since I find her the least useful of the healers in terms of utility but rather in pressure with her crest and spell list. Felix is also decent with it because his crest of Fraldarius and Toron crits. Marianne uses this class in an amazing way but sadly speed is an issue there, and Felix needs to up his magic rank to S to get something useful after learning his spells. So indeed don't waste your time unless you're Marianne. Warmaster is def endgame ready. You have + 20 crit and an OP ability that is effective against all enemies plus Axe/Fisrfaire. Need to own in playerphase? No issue, use gauntulets. Wanna wreck enemy phase? No problem! Hand axe + quick reposte! Grappler ignores terrain restrictions but sadly has crit + 10 over +20. That's the only issue.
Dodge tank hero Ferdinand is crazy strong. Astral Aegier Battalion, avoid ring, Ferdinand's personal skill and sword mastery 5 will give you 65 avoid before any other influences like speed. It's a very easy build to set up to which is always nice.
I built Hilda around War Cleric and Warrior bouncing back and forth for either white magic utility (she gets recover) or extra strength growths from Warrior. Judging from the way she turned out (dodges most everything and crits like a beast) I think it is viable option for those that don't want to make her a flier. Also what is the best sword master class if not Swordmaster??
Sword master and assassin are basically the endgame sword classes. Assassin you get more move (and no move terrain penalty) + better growths in res and dex Swordmaster gets inherent crit +10 and better growths in strength and hp. My byleth always ends up as an assassin. Felix is always a swordmaster
@@danvocals123 yeah I've kinda bounced around assassin, swordmaster, and trickster for my sword units. All have turned out well so I'm not complaining. The only class I don't like is Hero for swords.
After playing with the DLC, I’m noticing that Anna’s quests for the trade secrets give Steal a lot more mileage. Might be worth having one of your faster units master thief. I also certified a lot of units into it for the base speed and dex since it’s relatively easy to get into. I used to sleep on Thief, but it’s seriously worth your time
I like the stats on thief over myrmidon for any sword user. And I think there are situations where steal can get you some nice stuff that enemies wouldn’t otherwise drop. Such as the two magic staffs that you can get on the Death Knight mission in Ch. 6. Getting TWO magic staffs with steal is super helpful in the early game for your mages.
I made Dimitri a Dancer to get Sword Avoid +20 to take advantage of his personal ability that raises his avoid when at full health, and to get Sword Dance which is a low cost arte that scales with his massive charm stat then put him in sword master for sword critical and swordfaire. Now he's too powerful.
I believe that Felix can pull of Mortal Savant if he switches to "A Reasonable Advantage" early on as he then shreds through Fortress Knight's and so much other stuff so I think Mortal Savant is Endgame.
Mortal Savant is late game class that requires two polar opposite weapon ranks, if you are a physical unit you just can't use magic before MS and easier magical unit never want to use weapons. It really doesn't offer anything.
In my opinion, classes should not be judged only by their abilities/masteries. The stat growths/boosts should also be considered when choosing between classes
I use Brawler and Warmaster this way: master Warmaster, go back to Brawler for lvl up growth then use Warmaster on final mission or when you don't need to lvl up anymore XD. Also Monk is good for Byleth, way better than Enlightened One, and you get some mag growth compared to Brawler, well you lose the spd growth but Byleth is generally ok without it.
On my first playthrough felix had bad defense gains during lvl ups so I set him to be a mortal servant. He ended up being my second strongest unit because if he didn't kill an enemy in one hit half his health was going to be gone aka probably Fortress knights so he'd just one hit them with magic from a distance usually with s crit because of his budding talent.
I like Dark Mage and Bishop bc I built Sylvain w those in my last run and now I'm gonna run him as a Great Knight with Lifetaker and Poison Strike >:) Edit: OH I gave it to Felix too. Felix with Lifetaker is gonna be a monster lmao
I think Brawler is a little better now (I think it could be considered a stepping stone) with the new war monk/cleric class out. For characters that want to go with fists without having to spend time raising axe level, Brawler is a decent option for growths and quicker fist proficiency up. Reasons to go with war monk/cleric instead of war master are threefold: 1.) Females can access it. 2.) You can get heals and possibly other faith magic. Even characters with crappy magic can end up with some additional utility or a way to cheese exp on Maddening during off turns where they can't do anything else. 3.) Brawl Avoid +20 is a really good skill, especially for characters with high speed/avoid. Although Ferdinand doesn't have advantageous growths in fists, for example, he's a great user of them with brawl avoid+20 due to his personal skill and high speed. The other meme dodge build for Ferdinand entails making him a dancer for sword avoid+20, which is a bit more restrictive imo, and fists have the advantage of even less weight. Stacking all that avoid works really well on Ferdinand, even on Maddening.
The big thing that harms brawler, however, is its mastered ability. Unarmed Combat is highly situational and you will almost never use it. Going brigand, meanwhile, gets you the wonderful Deathblow, and most fist characters will get into brigand easily. Taking brawler sacrifices a nice boost to strength in order to give them dex (the least efficient stat point for point) and speed (on a class that is already using fast weapons with the brave quality anyway). Also, brawler gets a negative magic growth while brigand does not, and everyone who would want to end in War Monk are already stunted in the magic category (except Balthus).
@@Adamantium93 Those are great points! I agree that mastering Brawler is totally worthless. Unarmed combat isn't useful at all. The main benefit from using Brawler as a stepping stone would be the bonuses to increasing fist proficiency without the opportunity cost of needing to focus on axes. It's a definite trade off. Do you want death blow or do you want to focus on a different skillset? From my standpoint, death blow is amazing but you can easily take a set of 5 other useful skills without it, and benefit from not having to take the time to study axes. Faith can be more useful as a secondary focus to study, because it allows a character to equip all fist skills while still having some utility. I rarely have characters use more than one weapon type, unless the second weapon type is a bow. Another thing to consider is that for Brigand you need to get the axe mastery fairly early, while you have a long time to get the faith up for war monk/cleric, and can focus more on fists up to that point. As for the stats, speed is very useful for fist users either for 4xing or (more common on Maddening) for not getting doubled. And in the late game, a super dodgy unit like Petra, Leonie, Ingrid or Ferdinand cherishes speed for the chance at sapping enemy hit rate to 0. I agree that dex is mostly shit though. The thing with the war monk/cleric class is that there are two different ways you can look at it. 1.) You can look at it as mainly a physical class with the bonus of spongeable free exp and utility (occasional heals/wards/restores/rescues/whatever) on off turns. 2.) Or you can look at it as a full on magical fist class, which requires a lot more effort (aura knuckles, focus on faith first and fists second until you get the aura knuckles, etc.). I look at it mostly as the former. I feel like Maddening is too hard to try a focus on magic with this class. Basically, I treat the class mainly as a physical class, but with some extra added utility with heals and some free exp. Characters who learn Ward like Ferdinand and Manuela and who are speedy or have sorta hybrid stats can benefit especially. On Maddening outside of actually using certain faith skills for their main benefit, you can also cheese exp with faith skills without needing to slow down. For example, you might have one of your characters take down an enemy, and then have another use Ward. Two characters are then getting exp instead of one. Or maybe you're in a position where you want the war monk/cleric to tank a hit, but you're not in range to attack an actual enemy. So in that circumstance, you can have them move into enemy attack range, but have somebody move next to that position first, and have the war monk ward or heal their ally. You're still taking the same number of turns, but you're getting much more exp. You can also do the same if an ally leveled up 1 point in HP. Heal them for some free exp, but give the exp of defeating enemies to someone else. On non-boss rush rout the enemy maps, sometimes there are turns where you're just moving and have nothing to do, but a character who can use magic could pop off a small heal or ward, rescue (if you don't need it) or some other utility whether you actually need it or not for some free exp. The fact that the heals are weak or characters might end up with poor magic when going into the class doesn't bother me that much. Even a weak heal can be helpful if you're not depending on it as the only healer on your team, but as an additional supplement. There are even some characters who learn recover, and even with a crappy magic stat can heal a lot. And Brawl Avoid +20 is just amazing. I just finished the Edelgard paralogue and Ferdinand with brawl avoid+20, and an avoid+ battalion (the petra paralogue one) was able to hide in some woods and take on about 40 enemies at once, all with 0 hit rate.
He probably forgot Dancer. He almost forgot the DLC classes. Exclusive jobs are kind of pointless to rank because only one person can use them. Same applies to Dancer come to think of it. I'd much rather prefer a separate video discussing which student makes the best Dancer.
Dancer is top tier for sure. Personal classes for all the lords are great, though Edelgard would appreciate being in a class with a little more move. Yeah I forgot them!
FED I think it would be great if you ranked the endgame ready classes into more tiers because there’s a lot of them and not all are as good as the others.
Gotta say that felix mortal savant was great for me especially because at endgame there are fortess knights whos only weakness is their resistance (also felix has black magic crit +10 and thoron)
In maddening mode hero is immensely useful as a stepping stone because not everyone can access swordmaster or warrior conveniently with the limited instructing.
_Paladin Byleth was very versatile for me on Maddening. Solid class with reliable defenses, with two easy-to-aquire ranks in Lance and Riding. Access to all effective weaponry and combat arts, high movement, can equip any battalion while also preparing you for mastery classes. SCS has 1-2 range, by the way. Maybe it's because I'm biased towards Knight Lord's, but I digress._
I don't understand the Great Knight hate. To me, it almost seems like one of the strongest classes to end up in for any cavalier unit. Axefaire AND Lancefaire with high defense for Sylvain, Ferdinand, and whoever else is great.
@@garyconstanza3120 so you only have to play chapter one cindered shadows not the whole DLC hmmm so I can get Yuri and Constance and then play my blue Lions route home does that work
@@verdant_riegan127 You still have to play the rest of Cindered Shadows if you want to get the Ashen Wolves on your main save files. Only the classes are unlocked after chapter 1. Constance is unlocked in chapter 2, Balthus in chapter 4, Hapi in chapter 5 and Yuri in chapter 6. Completing the 7th and final chapter gives you a special item and some renown.
Objection: Great Knight is the best class ever. I made Flayn a Fortress Knight -> Great Knight and gave her all the defense boosters I can find and the Aegis Shield. Then she basically soloed maddening with her insane def and res, taking 0 from all physical enemies and less than 10 from bosses. I didn't even need to plant defense boosters for her.
Honestly I don't find Falcoknight all that good in practice. Like, in a vaccum it's obviously pretty damn amazing, but every Falco you have could be a Wyvern Lord instead and there's not a whole lot of reasons to go Falco when you probably already invested in Axes for Brigand (or even for Wyvern Rider so you're not stuck at 6 Mov till Lv30) anyways Now, if Ferdinand/Sylvain/Seteth had access to it and could fire off flying Lancefaire Swift Strikes, that'd be a different story, but alas. #GiveShamirSwiftStrikes2k20 I guess. (Also, fun build to try out for anyone reading this: Warlock Constance. 4 BTomefaire Boltings per map, with pretty decent odds of getting a fifth or even sixth use out of it thanks to her crest)
Guys! The DLC classes are at the end of the video!
Where's Dancer though?
There is also the Barbossa one that Claude mains later and I think Byleth can main it
( I do not know if I spelled the Barbossa class correctly ;w; )
@@Marsyyymars No, only Claude. The videos where Byleth is in it are hacked, cause it's the highest move flying class and is convenient for getting the unique dialogues.
Also it's spelt Barbarossa.
@@Stardevoir Bit too unique, and it really depends as any unit can make use of the class.
yeah, I feel like thief lost it's charm because you can buy door and chest keys easily in this game. if maddening made them a rare commodity, then thief wouldn't be so low and maybe if the mastery skill was for every time you use lockpick, you get a chest/door key? or give enemies steal able, handy items that do not get claimed when you kill them. that's how I would fix thief anyway.
I made my Byleth a Hero in my first playthrough on Hard, and I really liked it. It just fits the character well IMO.
Also, Mariane as a Holy Knight (even if the class isn't that great) because her riding Dorte into battle is just too cool to ignore.
I did the same. It made me feel like Greil and Ike, who were also mercenaries.
Brooks Alderman I really like the design of holy knights in this game, I think they’re very aesthetically pleasing, sadly offensive white magic just ain’t it...
Byleth is a Hero in the card game
@@pn2294 oh true, that art is amazing ❤
Hero!Byleth works very well as a stepping stone, since he wants to get ranks in axes for wyvern and mostly has an easy time getting sword rank. Vantage in the class slot can be nice as well!
Holy Knight is best class because it has the most visually appealing costume
Felix as the dancer class begs to differ
I kind of want to do a maddening run with a Holy Knight Edlegard (obviously her canon class)
CelestialSaph for me it’s any outfit with constance
@@objectivelytheworst1221 Male dancer is probably the worst visually appealing costume. Those fucking sandals, please...
Pearl Galaxy well you’re not wrong, but the meme potential puts it well above anything else
I'll always stand by Bow using Pegasus Knight. Kinshi Knight was a great idea on paper and I want to keep the spirit alive.
Flying units with their new Canto ability allows the bow-flying combination to be quite versatile. Powerful, yet evasive.
Bro I always make my Shamir a falcon knight and its great
Bruh, Bow wielding Falcoknight Leonie is a beast. Pretty good ATK, great Speed, dodges a lot of stuff, and Point Blank Volley is godly
I always make Cyril a Bow using Wyvern Lord!
Doing the same. That's very powerful
I kinda disagree for Priest. Miracle isn't worth it but the class gets doubled Heal uses and +5 healing per use. Healing in the early game can be scarce so putting one unit into the class will make things easier.
Agreed. I would put it in stepping stone.
It really depends on how many people you get D faith in. On maddening combat experience is so terrible that it honestly makes sense to make everyone a priest and spam heal for exp. In that case the 5-10 uses of heal per unit is plenty.
What I’ve learned from this tier list is that if you have a flying mount, you are likely endgame ready
All that's left is to open a bunch of portals to bring your team over.
Holy Knight should have gotten heal +5 on top of white tomefaire, the spell list for offensive white magic just doesn’t have enough going on - there’s nosferatu, seraphim, abraxas and aura and most units are lucky to get 2 of them (Lysithea gets them all except Aura)
True! I wanted to make Lindhardt holy knight but I realized he was actually underperforming and moved him back to Bishop... it was dissapointing even though the whole concept of the holy knight is cool imo.
Valkyrie should have been the default instead of holy knight tbh. It would have made more sense.
Honestly, I had fun with Holy Knight Byleth just because of Aura's extra crit rate, which allowed easy 1 hit kills on pretty much anything
Another good alternative would have been to give HK Lancefaire. It would have let the class fill a niche that Dark Knight didn't. Besides, the C in lances for most of the master classes is really unnecessary as it stands.
that fact is why lys is good at mortal savant and dark flier- excess spell slots.
I feel like it’d be in endgame but you forgot to mention dancer lol
And the four exclusive classes Enlightened One and the House Leader classes.
And the DLC classes
Nim The Goodra DLC clases were at the end, just some weird editing.
TheSlammurai aren’t there 7 since there’s a stronger version of each
@@j0rgens64pc3 there is 7 total but he also said that he wasn't ranking exclusive classes, but Dancer is a pickable exclusive that changes every playthrough if you decide, so I think it should have been ranked here
Ingrid Falcon Knight with a light lance, evade ring and focus on speed and stuff... I gaved her a dodge build, and she just... stays there against hordes. You can basically tank by actually not getting hit once. I really enjoy building Ingrid that way now, and she got rid of quite a big pack of enemies! Unmounting her will take away a tiny bit of her evasion but she won't get extra damage from bows and can get efects from the ground like a forrest or even thickets without slowing down to get there in the first place. I could talk about a lot of other classes and whatnot, but I just wanted to mention dodge builds in general. One of the downsides of this strategy is the lack of offensive power towards long distance enemies, but can be countered if you use certain gambits to give her distant counter or *spoilers* equip your unit the chalice, another way to counter a dodge build is to fight an enemy with a crit weapon/high crit chance. At the end it's about using your cards well and having more options so make it work!
I feel like Wyvern Lord Claude and Cyril and Falcon Knight Ingrid and Leonie are proof that dodge tanking is good. 0 hit!
Astra Dodge tanking is broken, I soloed maddening maps with Dimitri never getting hit even once.
@@owenskalvalki3057 How did you dodge tank with Dimitri? Its hard to get Alert Stance+ and his speed is fairly average. Does he have a skill for this?
Astra Grinded out axes and got alert stance+, got him dancer for sword avoid +20, 10+ dodge from his personal skill, +15 dodge from Cichol wyvern corps and +20 dodge from his time skip personal skill. More dodge from sword prowess. Not to mention his 60% strength and 50% speed growth made him into a beast. Throw some stat boosters into the mix and he was unstoppable.
@@owenskalvalki3057 Thats alot of work for one unit. I just gave my Cyril a bunch of strength and mov stat boosters during my maddening run. Oh and Cichol Wyvern Co. Alert Stance+ is so broken
I think priest should be stepping stone mainly because characters like lysithea might go into it to get warp faster, which is one thing but like fortress knight is there and it just has being an adjutant and weight -3, which I think warp outdoes even if you combine their value
Cordeliafrey I usually go priest as well, mainly because I rarely find myself using healers to attack and leave them in bishop for endgame. I’m not sure how much of a difference the extra heals make tho
Fiendish blow is gonna be more useful on someone like Lysithea. Someone like Linhardt who is more utility than combat might benefit from priest more than mage. Also dont count guard adjutaunts out
Don't forget fortress knight ups her defense stat to 17 which then allows her to nosferatu tank.
This is like watching a professor who found out the day of that he had to do an 8 am lecture.
Dude this is scarily accurate
your not wrong about the death knight. although not much planning goes into it since the entire thing is just:
1. get lysithea
Thats if she has dark spikes or can even one shot him cause she will get fucked up by a counterattack
For beating Death Knight, anyone with a C in lances gets knightkneeler, and the Lance of Ruin is incredibly strong and available extremely early. Base level Shamir can also beat the Death Knight with some support like a rally from Annette. He's not that hard of a boss
Y'all still using Lysithea for the Death Knight? Sorry, but it's gonna take more than that to get access into the Salty Spittoon.
AkameGaKillfan777 I beat the second encounter with him with clever usage of gambits on my first playthrough. I think I killed him with Lysithea on my second playthrough. Basically what I’m saying is that I usually come out of that month underleveled, due to invoking the Lord British Postulate on the Death Knight, and starting the mission on the first day of that month.
@@AzureGreatheart "Oh, sorry. Please, come right in."
I like mastering Dark Mage on my archers when I get an Experience Gem. Poison Strike makes a pretty big difference against strong units and/or commanders. This also procs with gambits and onagers.
>Knowledge Gem
And how much grinding does that take?
@@korinoriz Not too too long. I usually just train it during weekend battles and not story missions.
I'd assume the strat us best on Ignatz (given his focus on utility anyway, with all the debuff arts, seal speed, and a reason budding talent)
Mortal Savant is used more to maximize damage output than to use two types of damage. One person could actually make good use of the Mortal Savant in the end game, and that is Marianne. She has Blutgang with Beast Fang and is good at swords, she can easily reach S+ in sword and one-shot almost every one with Beast Fang in the end game. This allows her to have an even higher damage output than Lysithea.
Mortal Savant Marianne with Swordfaire, Magic +2, Fiendish Blow, Warding Blow, Soulblade ohkos absolutely anything in her path
Lysithea has Magical Sword combat arts
@@komoranai1046 It also takes far, far more resources than many other builds, and isn't viable until late game.
Marianne is better in one of the mounted master classes and lysithea gets thunderbrand so she is still a very good choice.
Damn, reading your comment really tempts me to try building sword Marianne and Lysithea D:
The thing I dislike about the Gremory class, is that they lose any tomefaires they might have had, If your looking for an offensive magic user, I would recommend Warlock, or Dark Knight if they have the riding skills.
The offensive mages are usually powerful enough without the +5, and they would prefer extra magic uses. Gremory is also great for Lysithea who gets nothing from Warlock. I also think Valkyrie is better than Dark Knight, as Lysithea and Hapi can snipe things from as far as 7 spaces away, and then canto away, and they’ll OHKO if they’ve been recruited sicne early game.
elijah huggins I think Gremory is good for white and dark magic users. Lysithea, Manuela, Mercedes come to mind. Double warp is great too. I suggest warlock for pure black magic mages. Annette, Dorothea, and Constance i feel do really well in these classes. I think black tome faire is such a good skill. My Constance was one shotting a whole bunch in certain cases and double bolting is great too.
It is still a class with game high +5 mag as modifier, so its -3 dmg from warlock, downgrade dmg wise. It's an actual hybrid class, sacrifice a little dmg for double faith magic uses and one more move. Is that worth it? I'd say it depends.
@@IanJulian02 I made Dorothea a Gremory tbh, simply for the 5 movement and for another healer
@@IanJulian02 I had a lot of fun with my war cleric Annette
My thoughts on which Classes are useful to promote to. Any I don't mention, I see little to no value in.
> Soldier's Reposition is an excellent Field Combat Art that can play a key role in moving Units closer to where they need to be. Defense +2 isn't too useful, however.
> Myrmidon, Fighter, and Monk are the opposite--Speed +2, Strength +2, and Magic +2 can all be nice earlygame but Swap is far too situational to be useful; Shove it completely outclassed by Smite; and while Draw Back isn't terrible, I'd sooner recommend just learning Reposition or Smite.
> Brigand's Death Blow, Mage's Fiendish Blow, and Archer's Hit Rate +20 are Skills I'd almost say are too useful to NOT learn. A free +6 damage and +20% Accuracy every time you initiate combat is just simply excellent, precious few other ways to describe it.
> Pegasus Knight's Darting Blow can be similarly useful but primarily on Units like Petra or Leonie who are incredibly fast but not quite fast enough to reliably double. The Class itself is excellent as well.
> Warlock gives Bowbreaker via Mastery which is certainly useful lategame, given the absurd number of Snipers and Bow Knights the game likes to throw at you. The Class also gives Black Tomefaire and, while less flexible than Dark Knight, is still a decent final Class option.
> Bishop, however, is a far superior option, especially for Units like Linhardt, Lysithea, Hapi, and Manuela who all learn Warp. It lacks any ~faires but double Faith uses means 2 Warps which, even it you're not LTCing, can be useful for getting people out of sticky situations or just getting around the Map.
> Assassin is overall just a solid Class with 06 Movement and Swordfaire. Lethality is trash but the Class itself is excellent.
> Same case with Grappler, although Tomebreaker is excellent for similar reasons to Bowbreaker and 06 Movement alongside Fierce Iron Fist allowing 3 attacks regardless of AS is great.
> Sniper is one of the game's best Classes, sporting Bowfaire, 1-3 range with Bows, and Hunter's Volley upon Mastery which grants two guaranteed attacks and, running off of Sniper's base Strength, is virtually stat-immune.
> Paladin is the best option for obtaining Lancefaire on a male Unit. Even unmounted, you still retain 06 Movement, which is higher than most other Advanced Classes.
> Wyvern Rider is fine to hang around in until Wyvern Lord but don't stay any longer.
> Wyvern Lord and Falcon Knight are the game's two best Classes with Canto, 08 Movement, flight, Avoid +10, and overall excellent stats. Not much else to say.
> War Master is IMO not as good as Grappler due to a lack of versatility in comparison but Axefaire AND Fistfaire combined with Crit +20 can ensure that Crits are frequent and powerful. Quick Reposte comes FAR too late to be useful unless you're planning on doing NG+.
> Dark Knight is your only option for Dark Tomefaire and is essentially a magic-oriented Paladin with 1 less Movement. Still leaves you with 06 Movement even unmounted however.
> Gremory grants no ~faires but double uses on all forms of Magic, perfect for Lysithea and Hapi.
> Dark Flier is a magic-using flying Class with Canto. I honestly think that alone makes it good.
> Valkyrie is odd, sporting only 06 Movement--04 Movement when unmounted, and no ~faires. But the +1 range to Dark and Black Magic effectively makes the Class a magic-oriented Archer so I think it's fine.
> Trickster by itself is trash. Just so happens that Foul Play is an excellent Field Combat Art that only it can use. I think it's good to have at least one handy.
why grappler over war master?
@@yumm3608 To me Grappler vs War Master boils down to the unit's speed. If you can quad like Felix: War Master +20 crit is better but if you can't you'll get a lot more mileage out of Fierce Iron Fist than War Master Strike.
A similar argument can be made between Sniper and Bow Knight but with Bow Knight you'd want at least 1 good bow Combat Art. Curved Shot is nice but it's only 1 Mt and you're going to need more damage at some point.
trickster manuela go crazy trust LOL
@@yumm3608 What G.N.S. said. Enemies are in general much faster on Maddening and some Unit with good Speed that could pretty reliably double on Hard will suddenly find themselves struggling to do so on Maddening. And the lategame Grapplers, Assassins, and Falcon Knights are so fast that even your fastest Units like Petra, Leonie, and such will have a hard time doubling them. So stuff like Brave Weapons, Hunter's Volley, Fierce Iron Fist, Swift Strikes, and so on are all really good due to this.
Good analysis, this should be top comment
I’m using a bow knight Ashe with hit plus 20 and Edmund battalion that gives hit +40 and a accuracy ring meaning range penalty’s don’t affect me and he was speed blessed and some speed carrots made him a beast. Also Marianne is the only good mortal savant because of her relic and she has such low speed anyways it doesn’t matter. She also got stupidly blessed having something like 36 magic at level 30 with no boasters.
How Fabulous Marianne has underwater sword utility. Her relic, a Levin sword, and the combat arts she gets are super powerful
Marriane makes a better holy knight imo
Id say Manuela would make a good Mortal Savant since her magic and strength growths are identical to each other and just as a 60 speed growth so she would reliably double
@@twistmebabe eh, Manuela has two problems. Firstly, her weakness in Reason hurts for getting her into the class. Secondly, her mixed offenses are too weak to really do damage, you're better off focusing on either utility or focusing down either physical or magical for offensive potential.
Felix is more passable, he still has physical as his better damage but the magic can back him up for range and/or physical tanks, and his speed is good enough to survive the hit. His only issue is that he's better at other classes, so there's not much reason to put him into Mortal Savant.
@@Scanny524 i was able to pass mortal savant cert with manuela having A in swords and c+ in reason around 32% chance to pass lol
Mortal savant in a nutshell:
It's passable on characters that are made to be mixed sword users, or Felix. Because Felix.
sounds about right
Mortal savant gives -10 speed growth tho, and speed is the best stat.
Mortal Savant Byleth slapped on my first playthrough. Went Fighter - Brigand then got Enlightened One. Used Enlightened till i got to about lvl 37 and went into Mortal Savant and man my strength+magic were pretty damn high.
@@nintonintendo1 true true. But Felix has crazy speed regardless that you will already have a good speed stat before even getting into Mortal Savant
@@fishnutz5196 true, but I'd rather have 35 strenght and 45 speed instead of 38 to 40 strenght and 40 speed.
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But Poison Strike lets you cheese Nemesis along with impregnable wall
That's probably the grossest thing ive ever read in my life, and i love it
man you need to read the bible xDDDDD thats disgusting
Impregnable Wall makes both of you only deal 1 damage
AkameGaKillfan777 and poison strike let’s you deal chip after the fight. Add venin weapons for the true staller experience.
@@ultimaterecoil1136 Poison Strike yes, but Venin weapons I believe count as status effects, which the Commander ability nullifies. Even then, after Nemesis attacks, he starts moving.
Holy Knight is so close to being great. If it had double white magic use and was slightly less restrictive in its riding and lance requirements, it'd be an incredible healing class. I tried it out on Mercedes on my first playthrough on hard and it took a huge investment, but having her healing cover nearly an entire map and giving her canto was absolutely amazing. I really did miss the extra healing uses though. I sadly agree with the ranking, but I definitely encourage it for people looking to do something a little different with their healers. There's a niche worth exploring here.
I’d love to see like multiple tiers of endgame ready classes because some classes are much better than others.
I had a lot of fun making building Marianne into a badass mortal savant. Hero's relic + thoron uses.
Okay but have you considered massive Frozen Lance hits in Dark Knight
I used Dimitri as a Paladin for most of the game (including the final mission). He was an absolute beast, tanking hits, moving around the map with ease, and hitting like a truck.
He was better than my own character for pretty much the whole game.
Great Knight was severely undervalued here. You get lance and axe faires, weight -5 and a HORSE. The growth rates are meh, but the class can soak up hits and actually keep up with your army. If anything, fortress knight is a stepping stone to GK since GK does everything an FK can do, but with actual mobility.
FK does have great class modifiers and growths for what its worth.
GK is not much stronger than paladin, has lower mov, and requires investment in armor AND cavalry to get to. Class itself isn't bad but the benefits of it don't outweigh how much of a pain in the ass it is to get to
@@elgatto3133 Can attest to this, like when you are there it's fine to pretty good. But getting their especially on NG is just not a great time, paladin/FK is just less of a hassle and can get you higher in your skills to get good stuff like move +1 aswell as a higher authority rank.
The primary use for the calvary classes is to keep a swift line together. Main reason for holy knight, great knight i have just used it with out really looking at it just going for a master class push for all my units, which I have recruited all recruitables for golden deer.
Honestly, lances are only good if you’re Dmitri or a falcon knight, wyvern classes and axe classes give a feature with better perks, weight -5 is pretty useless once your strength and/or speed are high enough, and cavalry in general is pretty trash in this game simply because anything that isn’t neutral terrain slows them down substantially more than being on foot, meaning you have to lose the reasons you went for a mounted class in the fist place to get literally anywhere or get stuck behind everyone. Great Knight is definitely the worst of the cavalry classes too.
I gotta put Barbarossa as #1. Best mobility, best offensive abilities, best boi.
I think you’re undervaluing priest a bit. Once your main healers like Mercedes, Marianne, or Linhardt get fiendish blow, I think it’s worth switching to priest just for the extra +5 healing.
To be honest, one of my favourite parts of assassin > sword master is how assassin ignores trees and forest terrain for their movement. They've got a lot of mobility on forested maps that other grounded units just lack.
There’s literally one mage that works with Poison Strike and Lifetaker.
And that’s Lorenz Hellman Gloucester. This guy is practically the epitome of jack of all trades, master of none, and as a consequence is the bulkiest mage around. He does decent damage for a mage and can still finish people off, so he can afford take some hits and suck off his victims afterwards. Hell, Poison Strike isn’t too bad on Lorenz either against monsters (although that’s something you can to keep in reserve until you’re actually facing a lot of monsters, and even then you’re better off just mastering Mage and leaving behind Intermediate for good). Exclusively for Lorenz, Dark Bishop is “Master and Move On” tier and Dark Mage is “Stepping Stone.”
Everyone else? Nah. Don’t bother with that shit. Just nuke them as usual.
Hubert frowns upon thee
Huberts spell list makes him a debuff monster which poison strike fits well into to make enemy units easier to finish off.
I gotta though, say someone had the idea of putting an archer through dark mage for poison strike, it seems really good to have, but terrible to train, really interesting idea
I think mercedes is the best tank mage around. Her RSL is high to tank all magic damage and Nosferatu allows her to tank 1-2 physical hits. Plus she heals herself with her personal ability on the next turn. Definitely great to have her on maddening
Makes sense when i make my own reasons but i think more elaborate explanations past “good/bad” would make your content more descriptive
I agree on Dark Mage, but for a slightly different reason. My reasoning is this: I don't want to deal with Death Knight to get the necessary Dark Seal for the class, and Hubert is the only character that can really make use of the class, being the only male that can even learn Dark Magic naturally.
My Felix Mortal Savant wants to talk
felix mortal savant is insanely good lol. i would solo him on certain maps
Meanwhile I've beaten the game with only beginner classes and it was the most annoying thing I've ever done. I think I cried at one point
@@aj-xq2et I'd wager your Felix trained up to the same point as a swordmaster would be even better
My WM Felix is flexing his pecks
I’ve learned the hard way how important it is to have flyers on your squad. I got to the Reunion at Dawn on Maddening and I’m completely stuck with underpowered players. I had benched some of my core members for newer recruits. Big mistake. Starting over and paying attention to the class abilities now. So much planning required 😅
I think Mortal Savant's viability depends on which character types are classing into it. I consider it to be more of an upgrade to mages than an upgrade to swordsmen
Mage type characters like Linhardt and Marianne fit it perfectly, they can swing a Levin Sword for the Sword part.
But sword people like Felix or Catherine? No, don't put them into that class, keep them as a Swordmaster or graduate them into Falcoknights/Warmaster.
It’s a waste to not make Felix a mortal savant as his hidden talent is reason
Leslie Felix still Lesens only two spells: Thunder and Thoron.
That's why i think it's not worth investing in his reason spell list.
learns
@@franzferdinand8445 Thoron is easily an A+ tier spell, especially on Felix, who can actually manage to double with it
I found that Stealing from the Death knight then killing the Enemy Commander, Holy Tomb for instance, was a safer way to get those Dark Seals
Yes, although killing him during and after the 3 encounter is more feasible
Felix as a Mortal Savant was my best character on my first play through. I’ve heard the arguments against it but I think I was just lucky with his stats that it made him untouchable and always one shot everybody.
Poison strike would be so much better if not for the requirement of needing to initiate to make use of it. If you could use it in tandem with impregnable wall, it would be amazing. As it currently exists, it's probably pretty useless except maybe against high hp monsters/bosses as there are way better ways of dealing chip damage. Edit-I don't think you have to master dark mage to get to dark bishop. You just have to learn the class iirc. Though I agree with you 100% that low risk strategies with caduceus/thyrsus with mages is the way to go.
so Savage blow from fates then? cause that's poison strike except it works on enemy phase too.
Actually you can use the two together
only disagree with great knight. Giving up just a teensie bit of defense - they still have very high even if a little lower than fortress knight - for the movement and Canto is a very good trade in my opinion. It's a lot of work to get there though.
My Byleth is pulling of a good Mortal Savant right now, but Byleth is one of the few characters who can.
even if it is a stepping stone.
wyvern rider should be higher tier.
It's not ranking the classes in terms of how good they are it's how worth staying in them is. Wyvern rider is fantastic but its not worth mastering so as soon as you can become a wyvern Lord there is no reason not to.
Yay you get to ride a dragon and that is cool
I think War Cleric has an argument for Endgame Ready on the basis that is gives female units access to Fistfaire. Catherine and female Byleth especially appreciate this option.
Heck, the existence of Aura Knuckles (albeit very late in the game) means that mages even get a brave effect attacking option without having to sacrifice their ability to cast magic. It's by no means an efficient path to get there, but the possibility exists.
Catherine would prefer swordmaster or falcon knight in my experience playing. She doesn't need gauntlets to double and she prefers more damage.
@@l.n.3372 ......... The thought of flying Thunderbrand scares me.
@@TheSlammurai
You don't need Catherine for flying Thunderbrand tho. You can't use the combat art without crest of Charon. But anyone with a crest can use Thunderbrand without taking recoil damage. Felix, Ingrid and Byleth make for good fliers with Thunderbrand, probably better than Catherine at times. Plus any brave sword will do.
I’ve only just started trying to get good at 3 houses, I got really bored on my first run and only just came back to it. It’s been a bit intimidating to analyze all of this information at once, because I wasn’t able to learn as I went like the rest of y’all. Obviously I knew how busted deathblow, darting blow, and fiendish blow are, but stuff like this makes it easier to chunk the info in my mind, so thank you!
people sleep on great knight way to much it is an amazing endgame class. Mobile tank that can use either axes or lances effectively to circumvent enemy breaker skills. Hilda, Sylvain, ferdie, even Ingrid can function great in it. For maddening since being able to double is rare to begin with and almost everyone not wielding swords and gauntlets gets doubled, you might as well be able to tank those physical hits, and as for magic enemies. preatty much anyone on maddening is going to die if they get doubled unless they have high res. Planning for it isnt that hard either even if going from a base game. It takes a bit of planning for non NG+ run but its doable to get someone there well before the game is finished. I wont say it holds a candle to WL of FK but it is far from a dont waste your time class
Agree
Dedue was much more effective as a Tank with the extra cavalry movement and the movement ring. Fortress Knight is good, but they're like turtles.
@@TheSlammurai ohh yea great knight dedue is amazing as well I left him out initally because i went off of my maddening mode play throughs where the chapters and grind time he misses really hinders him. If he isn't your absolute fav unit someone has probably stepped in to fill the void he left.
Is it just me, or are a lot of the classes in this game/mastery abilities extremely underwhelming?
They feel like side-grades instead of upgrades, but with ridiculous reqs for some
Mortal Savant Felix helped me SO many times! Really a personal Endgame ready for me 😅
I also used mortal savant for Felix. He was kind of a glass cannon for me, but was generally pretty useful.
I know you said War Monk isn’t as impressive, but isn’t it the only way to get fist faire for females. I feel like that should have been mentioned and with 6 mov that could be endgame ready for someone like Hilda or Catherine even if there are better options.
It's also the only way to use a gauntlet weapon at range, albeit since it's magic based it's situational.
I use War Monk on ng+ for my mages to have decent hp yes Lysithea I'm talking about you
“Trickster is a great endgame class...”
Thief is needed to promote to trickster.
Thief is in “Don’t Waste Your Time tier.”
What.
The only prerequisites for trickster are swords and faith. There aren’t any classes that require a unit to come from another class.
FED “Suggested: Sword B, Faith B and Thief certification” It’s mentioned on the Serenes Forest page for the classes.
Azure Greatheart Oh whoops! You are right. Regardless, getting the certification doesn’t require you to spend time in the class. I would still suggest not using thief in battle. But that’s just my thought.
Thief is actually pretty useful on high str middling speed people like byleth, so I tend to use it over merc on her on low investment runs.
Awesome! I was worried this was going to be a meme tier list (flying units are the only good units). Thanks for the video
Excellent tier list overall! There are but a few missteps that I would see corrected. (Disclaimer, I have not started Maddening yet so there are potentially elements that I am overlooking for each of these items.)
Priest should be in stepping stone for *Byleth* specifically. If you're going Magic Byleth, Faith is substantially easier to train up than Reason for multiple reasons, and if you're going Male Byleth, Priest is your only early option for that sweet sweet +10% Charm Growth. However, it is undeniable that for literally every other character in the game, Priest is an easy "don't waste your time," so this is more of a nitpick than anything.
War Monk/Cleric I would consider endgame ready considering it's the only way to give women Fistfaire, and also Pneuma Gale is situationally useful. Conversely, I would put Valkyrie in "master it and move on" for much the same reason Pegasus Knight is in that tier. As great as it is, Dark Knight is just strictly better, trading the +1 Ranges for +1 Move and Faires.
I don't get why Gremories can't just have Magic Uses ×2, Tomefaire and something else. Warriors promoted into War Masters go from Axe Crit+10 to Crit+20.
Because then they'd be a no brainer for every female caster
@@NotBamOrBing They're called Master Classes for a reason. They should be objectively better than Advanced classes imo.
I'm making Sylvain and Ferdinand Great Knights because they're two of the best tanks on my team, but I also want them to have Lancefaire to go with their Swift Strikes. Having access to axefaire with Lancebreaker as well can make them a good counter against Falcon Knights.
I have a funny story of Great Knight, I was plaining to use silvayn as an ajutant for Dimitri on one BL maddening playthrough and and teach him in axes and armor, what happened is that I forget the Sylvain paralogue so I was forced to teach him in a hurry and make him a cavalier fast, I decided to use him at the end and by the chapter 14 he has an 86% of great Knight and he already mastered Fortress and paladin, I ended with a 60+ hp Sylvain with almost 60 protection aegis and pavise lmao, It actually worked really well, but that an isolated case, great Knight is not very good
I'm not hardcore into 3H, I've played 2 routes on normal, the first time the master classes got me by surprise, I didn't knew the advanced classes would be enough, I had Felix in swordmaster and didn't that master servant required reason, I had Sylvain in paladin and didn't knew dark Knight required reason and I had Dedue in fortress Knight and didn't knew that great knight required riding so I had to teach them all the way
Out of the 4 unique lord classes, how would you rank them? This includes enlightened one.
All of them are end game ready. Though Edelgard would appreciate a class with more move in many instances. I would probably say Barbarossa is the best followed by great lord and enlightened one. And emperor is the worst of the 4.
@@AdamWithFED what about dancer
FED enlighten one should not be end game ready. Its basically mortal savant but worse because of no tome flair.
@@bobfan2821 I consider Enlightened One to be slightly better than Mortal Savant, mainly because better stats, in particular SPD, so you're not completely slowed down
@@shiny9690 they both get 1 point of spd from class change. Mortal savant decreases spd growth by only 10%. Thats 1 spd less every 10 level ups, which doesn't make EO faster by much. I could see the argument where EO doesn't require passing certificate and comes earlier, but still I would use EO as a stepping stone to get MS, if I ever want to use it. Both are trash anyways.
Honestly, the one reason I kick the Death Knight's ass is... because I feel badass kicking the Death Knight's ass. The very act is a reward in and of itself.
I wish there was a dark version of Enlightened One. Like if you pumped dark seals into Byleth it unlocks a side mission to become Fallen One.
Mastering the beginning classes is likely to happen anyway just from normal play, but Magic +2 and Speed +2 are the only ones I ever used in later play. Also, weirdly enough, Draw Back... a combat art I never used until Maddening.
Armor Knight is also good for getting extra defense stat ups in the early game. It is also a very easy class to master and increase armor skills in for -weight abilities. A great skill to have on early and even later game Maddening mode.
Dark Mage... Poison Strike is situationally useful against boss monsters, but yeah. Only needs unlocking to get to Dark Bishop.
Mercenary needs to be mastered. Vantage is broken. Like insanely broken. Even on Maddening, it is too good. The game tricks you because it's a sword class, but it's greatest use is on magic classes. Putting Vantage on someone like Lysithea or Constance? Sea of bodies.
Thief actually has a hilarious side effect where you can steal the Dark Gem and Dark Thyrsus on Claude's route. Pointless, but funny, so Steal gets a pass for that alone. Also good for early game with 5 movement and not being hindered by all the damn trees.
Brawler is good for one thing- Unarmed combat. Is it useful? No. Is it hilarious to take on an entire army and ancient dragons with my bare hands? Yes. Yes it is.
Darting Blow is useful on any female unit, physical or not. AS + 6 is crazy good. It is the best early game class by far.
Assassin is fine as an endgame class because of the better movement along with Swordfaire. Would've preferred Bowfaire over Locktouch...
Hero is weird. Built in Vantage is amazing, but why is skilling up Axe a requirement when it doesn't even get Axefaire?
Warrior is one of those that would be good if it weren't for the existence of Wyvern classes. There's no sense in using them when you can use the superior Wyvern Rider/Lord. But Wrath can have its uses so it's good to master.
Dark Bishop is good for one reason, and that's the Lifetaker skill upon mastery. One of the best abilities in the whole game. Unfortunately only males learn it. Combine it with Vantage and you have not a man, but a death machine that slaughters all in his path. I put them on Byleth and he was basically unkillable, even during Maddening mode. Yeah, it's both player and enemy phase. I would know. It's another one that fools you because it's a magic class but it benefits fast weapon users most.
Falcon Knight is the best. I hate that it's sex restricted. It's the greatest.
Wyvern Lord is also the greatest. My only wish is that there with another version with Lancefaire.
Great Knight is not great. The only advantage over Fortress Knight is the movement, which is admittedly nice, but Weight -5 is just way too good to give up.
Holy Knight makes me sad. Get rid of Terrain Resist for White Magic x 2 or Heal +10. Hell, get rid of White Tomefaire too. There are like 4 white magic attacks in the game and they're all ass. It should've just been a healing based class.
Mortal Savant is... different. A sword user is better off using Swordmaster, Hero, or Assassin, a magic user is better off using Warlock or Gremory. And it doesn't get Dark Tomefaire for some reason. Why does it only have 2 abilities? For a Master Class... I'm annoyed because I like the idea of a mixed Sword/Magic user.
War Master is good. Good movement, great abilities, great mastery skill. Yeah, just suffers from competition with Grappler and Wyvern Lord.
Trickster... never really found a use for it besides getting some early stat ups for the mages. Yuri's the only one who can use Foul Play properly because of his relic. The 6 move is nice tho.
War Monk is another one that it hilarious but is not too useful. I guess if you wanted a female unit with Fistfaire...
Dark Flier is good. Only flying magic user. Good movement, good skills, but it suffers from that 3 skill slot limitation. Would've loved Black Magic uses x 2.
Dark Valkyrie is basically just an easier to get Dark Knight for women only without the tomefaires. Not awful, but you'll probably just dump it for Dark Knight.
Edelgard can do both Physical and Magic at the same time and do excellent at both, so she is no doubt the best Mortal Savant in the game, but Dark Knight is actually a better option for her as a Mixed offensive and tank unit, Edelgard is one of the most versatile units in the game.
War Monk/Cleric is a great Class to stay in if you're a female unit, since there's no other option for them in a Brawling Class
I'd argue that Priest should be considered for some magic units. For example, if you take Blue Lions with their "canon" classes, you've got Annette and Mercedes. In my experience, you get Fiendish Blow in the mid-teens, so you've got 4-6 levels before you can go Advanced. In this time, you CAN keep the two girls in mage, or you can reclass Mercedes into Priest for a bit. This helps to put up her healing utility, which is her main function. This can make a difference in a pinch, and she's not getting much from staying in mage.
Certainly not the biggest issue, but the class can be useful for a couple months once Fiendish Blow has been acquired, until you hit level 20.
Pretty sure the brawler class can move through forest tiles unimpeded and has a additional speed growth, which the brigand doesn't have. It can be good to use if you've already mastered brigand but are not high enough level to promote to a higher tier class yet.
I'd rather stick with Brigand, then go to Grappler. Most characters proficient in Brawling have Axes too.
Mortal Savant was a sick class with an awesome concept, but unfortunately, you are right. The only character I've really managed to optimize with it is Felix, who only learns Thunder and Thoron. 😭
Dorothea can use it, but it's not worth it. You should just make her a Warlock or Gremory because w/o Levin Sword, she is not doing a sliver of damage.
As for Great Knight, I also agree, and the only real viable character to use it on is Gilbert to me. It's not worth getting at all for Ferdinand and Silvain imo. The stat drops are crazy and it also has less movement, the only one who it really benefits is Gilbert.
In any case, that's my honest opinion. Otherwise, really good tier list. If anyone wants to agree or disagree with me, feel free.
i made ferdie into a great knight, and he was op as fuck, could one shot anything, so i think it’s good for ferdie. i never used gilbert so idk abt him, but for sylvain- i always make him a dark knight because i like seeing him use magic.
I feel like brawler is a good stepping stone for certain units after mastering brigand, characters like dedue and Raphael really benefit from the added speed growth, and it should be easy to get to because they should be using gauntlets to begin with. It’s not worth mastering, but if you have some time after you master brigand, you should send certain units into it until they reach level 20.
Mortal Savant, while not optimal, could be an option for Dorothea or offensive Marianne. Swordfaire for CAs, Tomefaire for their spells, and the standard 6 move are good enough. Could also be used by an Ignatz that's tired of going bows every playthrough.
This....
Is a poorly thought out list.
The tiers tell you nothing about how useful the classes are outside of a pair of binaries. "Are they usable or not" and "do they give a useful skill".
Which leads to a scenario where all the master classes are either tier one or shit tier. Which should never be the case.
Wyvern Lord should probably be in its own tier. The notion that Dark Knight is anywhere near Gremory is kind of absurd considering the latter's absolute superiority.
An actual tier division would probably be something like:
1) Wyvern Lord, Mage, Pegasus Knight, Brigand. Either the best class in the game, or possessing skills that you'll go out of your way to get, even on units who don't intend to use the weapon or movement type. One will, on occasion, consider the possibility of taking units who are weak with axes-
Like, say, Bernadetta-
And wonder if it's not just a better idea to turn them into Wyvern lords.
Like, you could get darting blow and death blow, super focus on axes, get to C+ in lances for vengeance. Smash and Vengeance for combat arts, the blows with Axe and Lance prowess, with a smattering of Defiant Crit, she'd kill everything.
But so would basically anyone else.
2) Falcon Knight, Bow Knight, War Master, Gremory, Dancer, Warrior, Paladin, Bishop, Grappler, Archer, Monk, Fighter, Soldier. Classes that are worth focusing on or lead directly to superior classes. You should be able to go from the beginning of the game to the end using only classes in these two tiers, and will generally be rewarded for doing so.
All female mages have no reason not to go Gremory. Linhardt really just ends up being best as a bishop, and Hubert is a pain to deal with.
Dancers are just useful.
The best class progression in the game is generally Fighter/Soldier into Pegasus Knight/Brigand, the other of the two if female, Warrior until level thirty once you get the blow abilities, and Wyvern Lord. Or stay in Pegasus Knight until they can turn into a Falcoknight.
Fighter into brigand into Grappler into War Master just throws all the good things in the world onto one pile and says, damage. You have it. Add to that the fact Quick Riposte has the additional effect of making it so that enemies don't double you when they're faster and you've got some amazing nonsense for men who can't ride pegasii.
The fact that Bow Knight isn't universally powerful, and is really only prominent in the hands of two characters(Leonie/Bernadetta) would normally make me put it in tier three, but Point Blank Volley and Vengeance/Encloser are so solid and intrinsically worth going for that I have to put it here. Brigand/Pegasus Knight would be Leonie's ideal intermediary classes with Paladin when they're mastered, and Archer-Paladin for Bernie, throwing in Brigand if possible.
That is the only reason why Archer and Paladin are in this tier. Deadeye isn't going to aim itself. Even now I have my doubts about both, because Archer's really only there for Deadeye which is very much so non-essential. Bernie's one of the few units that massively rewards you for putting a ton of effort into over-developing her skills.
The only characters that aren't at home in these classes would probably be....
Lorenz/Hubert/Hanneman, who keep Dark Knight out of tier four. And Catherine, I guess. Shamir is also such a pain to get out sniper, and a mediocre unit even with hunter's volley, that she's usually better off as a sniper.
3) Dark Knight, Wyvern Rider, Dark Bishop, Warlock, Sniper, Assassin, Swordmaster, Hero, Priest, Dark Mage, Brawler, Cavalier, Thief, Mercenary, Lord, Myrmidon. Usable but suboptimal or gimmicky. There really aren't any good sword options that are really worth going for long term. There are perhaps three units in the entire game, four including DLC, who are worth considering swords for, and all can be made just as(if not more) useful in other roles.
4) Holy Knight, Great Knight, Mortal Savant, Fortress Knight, Armored Knight. There are no real scenarios where these classes are good ideas, requiring far more dedication to achieve an inferior result than other classes. The only faith based unit in the game that can't just become a Gremory is better off just staying a Bishop, swords are suboptimal at the best of times and are only made worse by trying to gish, and armored units are absolutely horrible in this game because they possess horrible movement capabilities and no ranged capabilities, only made worse by absolutely abysmal growth rates.
The four DLC classes would fit mostly into tier three, though War Monk is arguably tier four as it's also a gish attempt, and Valkyrie is arguably tier two for the sole fact that it gives you extra magic range. As much as I do adore the dark flier, it's not really worth the amount of extra effort required, and while it's not bad, your fliers are usually better off staying as fliers and your mages are usually better off staying as mages.
Wow, you're pretentious
@@AkameGaKillfan777 I can't say I disagree, but I'm curious as to your reasoning in regards to this response.
I only agree with you because brawler isn't really all that useless but sniper is actually very good for what you ranked it. Of course I'm still learning so I'll have to research why you place it lower.
@@deemac3470 Sniper legitimately only has one saving grace from what I've found, that being hunter's volley.
Which is the best class mastery combat art, sure, but that's like being the tallest dwarf. Not a large accomplishment. Generally speaking, you only leave a unit in sniper if they've got problems and need to rely on hunter's volley as a crutch.
Which is to say units you should probably avoid using.
The actual good archers, namely Leonie and Bernadetta, are 100% Paladin into bow knight gals. Leonie's already really fast/has access to darting blow and defiant speed, and thus could really care less about a guaranteed double, and Bernie's primarily just going to be using vengeance on everything while using her bows as either a baiting or chipping tool.
Mind, that list was slapped together rather hastily and thus in no way perfect, but I still see no reason to ever bother with making a unit a sniper.
@@MalevolentDivinity You said it's a poorly thought out list, when it's only their opinion. Plenty of people disagree with you about Sniper. They go through the classic specifically BECAUSE they want Hunter's Volley. You said it yourself: it's the best Class Mastery Combat Art in the game, being able to one-round an enemy from up to 4 spaces away. And Shamir gets TONS of praise because of her high dex, meaning she has decent crit based off the stat alone. Ignatz has an extra Hit +20 built in as his personal, which stacks with the Archer Class Mastery and is really helpful on Maddening where Bows have an even bigger hit penalty from 3+ spaces away.
Speaking of which, are you talking about Maddening? Because most people do prefer Sniper over Bow Knight, since the latter can't reliably one-round enemies, except occasionally with Brave Bows, but a build that only works with one weapon isn't going to be very helpful in the long-run, and Brave Weapons are finite because unlike Gauntlets, you only get limited ore to forge and repair them with past the few you get at the Armory and Renown Statue. You're barely able to quad enemies except for Armored Classes most of the time, which obviously won't go down nearly as much unless you have effective weapons like Hammers, or use magic. Bow Knights mediocre stats aren't a problem on Normal or Hard if you want to beat enemies from a distance then retreat, but enemies with lower defense are too speedy for Bow Knights to double, especially since they're slower than Snipers, and you'll often need at least one crit to win, which Hunter's Volley provides.
There's plenty of reasons why Sniper is better than Bow Knight, and this isn't a poorly thought out list just because someone agrees with you. I've personally made a couple of magic dodge tanks with Dark Fliers, so I personally enjoy using it.
Thief is situationally useful and it's good to have one fast unit for it early on. The two lords that you defeat on Field of Eagle and Lion each drop a ring which is very nice. If you've been leveling and training responsibility you should have plenty of time to certify for thief, grab the nice items, then reclass.
If nobody else, Byleth should be the one unit to master Thief. They can use Steal far better than anyone else thanks to having constant access to the convoy and being one of the most likely units on the team to outspeed enemies.
Why do so many say great knight sucks?? I’ve had one in three houses but I’ve been using them in Awakening and they’re my best units
This isn't Awakening dude
@@ebicbarton i know but great knight can't be that bad right
@@kell2859 Everyone thinks "low speed, bad unit," which is annoying and wrong.
An argument that can be made for Great Knight is for someone like Gilbert who can go into extremely easily, and you can make the argument that Ferdinand is also a good Great Knight with Lance fare and swift strike while being able to get there extremely easily
Once you have mastered Fortress Knight, it's not too hard to make the character a Great Knight, and I value greatly the added mobility. Having your tank quickly at his needed place (usually at choke points of sorts) is invaluable to me. Of course, you can use March ring or Boots or something like that to compensate for the mobility of FK, but for me it doesn't cut it. I'd rather have Chalice of Begginings on my tank and use boots on an attacker such as a Wyvern Lord or a Falcon Knight.
I'm assuming Mangs and Chaz incredible Hilda Fortress Knight + guard adjutant changed your mind a little on Fortress Knight?
James Buschell I see you are a man of culture too
As a Hilda stan, I'd opt for Wyvern instead
"lol no speed, bad unit"
Hilda is also very strong, so even in that class will she perform almost flawlessly.
Still has no movement and therefore terrible.
i copied a page out of maddening mode and made ashe train in magic,have felix kill the death knight and have ashe become a dark mage and master it to then become a bow knight
So for hero, I would say its normally dont waste your time, but some units who already have a high crit chance do appreciate defiant strength. I literally just finished a NG Golden Deer maddening run, and got ignatz to Master it, ended up as a sniper, and was really good. He has low strength, so wants death blow, and has hit +20 as a personal, so doesn't NEED Archer, and has a boon for swords, and as a sniper, really you only want to focus on bows, and authority (which is also a boon) to be, he can afford to Master it. With hunter's volley, at worst its 16 damage, but usually he has obscene crit, so it turned him into one of my better units, honestly was more useful than even Claude. He's the only one I can think of who'd really want it though. Maybe Felix if you plan to have him end as a War Master, idk though. Also Wyvern Rider gets Seal Defense, super trash. Finally, for Great Knight, if you already have the Axe and armor rank, you can try for certification at D+ riding, C will get you better than 50% chance to pass, and its 3 more movement, id definitely say its worth it.
I'm not sure about paladin tbh. IMO it's not a good class when compared to some of the other mounted classes. All it offers is Lance faire and that's pretty much it. Which is nice but male units get screwed with Lance since they don't have falcon knight. I definitely wouldn't rank it so highly but it's definitely the only Lance faire option for guys.
I mean, there’s plenty of units that can stay as paladins instead of going into Dark Knight and Bow Knight.
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I wouldn't tbh. My first playthrough was Blue Lions and I really felt the disadvantage in making both Dimitri and Sylvain early game cavalier and paladin. It killed their speed and both have decent speed growth. I'd much rather have them endgame as bow knight while avoiding paladin early on to make them better bow knight with higher stats.
Subsequent Blue Lions runs I now only use wyvern Lord Sylvain and occasionally bow knight Dimitri when I'm in the mood. But I never go cavalier - paladin - bow knight anymore because I value their speed more than Lance faire.
Leigh Needleman use the dismount function more. You gain +2 spd. Also it is only -10% spd penalty. Thats on avg 1 point of spd less they are getting every level up(which easily can be made up by gardens).
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That doesn't make paladin good. I can dismount as a bow knight too. You can also dismount fliers to avoid archers. Paladin isn't better and the only advantage is Lance faire, which I already said isn't enough for me to prefer paladin early or late game.
Leigh Needleman i never said pali was better and also i dont think the tier list is ordered. Ofc i agree bow knight is better but units with swift strike rlly need lance flair. FED should’ve made another tier for viable but better options.
idk if i just got lucky with rng but Marianne was a beast when i made her a holy knight
I feel that Hero is a bit undervalued here, as you do not need to master warrior necessarily to get wrath. On the units that have battalion wrath (which is relatively easy to maintain once vantage comes into play), switching into hero, with assistance from a retribution gambit and a high crit weapon means they can clear entire sections of maps with little trouble, even if they are slightly underleveled. This is especially useful when playing fast during the early rout maps post timeskip, as the enemies there can take a very long time to clear out normally.
I'd argue for Hero to be Master and move on or Endgame ready just for the fact that it gives you Swordfaire and vantage opening slots for others skills. More skills in this game are always great
Delta _ no it makes no sense for it to be in that category. Mastering hero give u defiant str which is terrible.
Hero only gives you an opening slot if you plan on using vantage, which is consider not that great.
Honestly if Hero had Axefaire of top of those 2 it would be a very good class. As of now it's a slower swordmaster minus Sword Crit+10 and instead Vantage, a skill most of them learn by going Mercenary anway.
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The only advantage to hero is that it gives you vantage as a class skill saving room for your other skills instead. Which is a nice perk tbh but it's not as good skill wise as swordmaster with Sword faire plus sword crit +10
@@l.n.3372 Pretty much but Vantage alone is not that great since enemies are quite bulky... so you'd need Wrath or something.
@@g.n.s.153
Yes but wrath can easily be gained thru warrior beforehand. It's just very roundabout and not necessary.
In my Maddening BE run, I put Edelgard on a Wyvern and I have never seen someone hit for a raw 32 damage
Wyvern + Death Blow is just a disgusting Combo. I’m so glad I have Ferdinand, Petra, and Edelgard as Wyvern riders.
Hi here is my feedback:
You are right. Poison Strike sucks in NG. But is amazing in NG+. The extra chip damage early/against monsters is very valuable on the likes of Ignatz and other chippers like Linhardt or Felix. But indeed not worth planning to in clean NG.
Priest should be a stepping stone. Not for the skill or faith magic. But heal +5 can work really well, especially on the healers you get in your house like Lin, Merc and Mari. That 5 HP can save lives.
Warlock is a master an move on class. Especially now since the DLC is out. Units like Marianne or Dorothea could benefit a lot from bowbreaker, and so can male mages like Lorenz and Hubert. You don't want to be 4 mov locked, yet Bishop is worth it because of its preset skills. Ultimately Dark Knight/Gremory/Dark Flier/Valkyrie/Bishop are the best end game magic classes.
Mortal Savant is decent on a Black Mage with a proficiency in sword. I have used it on Marianne with high success since I find her the least useful of the healers in terms of utility but rather in pressure with her crest and spell list. Felix is also decent with it because his crest of Fraldarius and Toron crits. Marianne uses this class in an amazing way but sadly speed is an issue there, and Felix needs to up his magic rank to S to get something useful after learning his spells. So indeed don't waste your time unless you're Marianne.
Warmaster is def endgame ready. You have + 20 crit and an OP ability that is effective against all enemies plus Axe/Fisrfaire. Need to own in playerphase? No issue, use gauntulets. Wanna wreck enemy phase? No problem! Hand axe + quick reposte! Grappler ignores terrain restrictions but sadly has crit + 10 over +20. That's the only issue.
Dodge tank hero Ferdinand is crazy strong. Astral Aegier Battalion, avoid ring, Ferdinand's personal skill and sword mastery 5 will give you 65 avoid before any other influences like speed. It's a very easy build to set up to which is always nice.
Armor classes are Endgame ready because armor adjutant is Endgame ready
I think Warrior Hilda with Death Blow, Vantage + Wrath is endgame ready, and with a Marianne Dancer on your side it would be a deadly duo.
I built Hilda around War Cleric and Warrior bouncing back and forth for either white magic utility (she gets recover) or extra strength growths from Warrior. Judging from the way she turned out (dodges most everything and crits like a beast) I think it is viable option for those that don't want to make her a flier. Also what is the best sword master class if not Swordmaster??
Sword master and assassin are basically the endgame sword classes. Assassin you get more move (and no move terrain penalty) + better growths in res and dex
Swordmaster gets inherent crit +10 and better growths in strength and hp.
My byleth always ends up as an assassin. Felix is always a swordmaster
@@danvocals123 yeah I've kinda bounced around assassin, swordmaster, and trickster for my sword units. All have turned out well so I'm not complaining. The only class I don't like is Hero for swords.
@@nickn3728 It's good for Vantage builds since you'll save an ability slot. I believe it also has the highest Str.
@@AkameGaKillfan777 thanks maybe I'll try it out whenever I do a 5th playthrough lol. Not for a while though, just got SoV and Conquest in the mail :)
After playing with the DLC, I’m noticing that Anna’s quests for the trade secrets give Steal a lot more mileage. Might be worth having one of your faster units master thief. I also certified a lot of units into it for the base speed and dex since it’s relatively easy to get into. I used to sleep on Thief, but it’s seriously worth your time
I like the stats on thief over myrmidon for any sword user. And I think there are situations where steal can get you some nice stuff that enemies wouldn’t otherwise drop. Such as the two magic staffs that you can get on the Death Knight mission in Ch. 6. Getting TWO magic staffs with steal is super helpful in the early game for your mages.
I made Dimitri a Dancer to get Sword Avoid +20 to take advantage of his personal ability that raises his avoid when at full health, and to get Sword Dance which is a low cost arte that scales with his massive charm stat then put him in sword master for sword critical and swordfaire. Now he's too powerful.
I believe that Felix can pull of Mortal Savant if he switches to "A Reasonable Advantage" early on as he then shreds through Fortress Knight's and so much other stuff so I think Mortal Savant is Endgame.
Mortal Savant is late game class that requires two polar opposite weapon ranks, if you are a physical unit you just can't use magic before MS and easier magical unit never want to use weapons. It really doesn't offer anything.
In my opinion, classes should not be judged only by their abilities/masteries. The stat growths/boosts should also be considered when choosing between classes
I use Brawler and Warmaster this way: master Warmaster, go back to Brawler for lvl up growth then use Warmaster on final mission or when you don't need to lvl up anymore XD.
Also Monk is good for Byleth, way better than Enlightened One, and you get some mag growth compared to Brawler, well you lose the spd growth but Byleth is generally ok without it.
I noticed that too, that switching back and forth or sometimes just switching back is more useful.
the time to master War Master, growths don't matter anymore
On my first playthrough felix had bad defense gains during lvl ups so I set him to be a mortal servant. He ended up being my second strongest unit because if he didn't kill an enemy in one hit half his health was going to be gone aka probably Fortress knights so he'd just one hit them with magic from a distance usually with s crit because of his budding talent.
I like Dark Mage and Bishop bc I built Sylvain w those in my last run and now I'm gonna run him as a Great Knight with Lifetaker and Poison Strike >:)
Edit: OH I gave it to Felix too. Felix with Lifetaker is gonna be a monster lmao
I absolutely hate all armored units they always get left behind (except great knight) and basically one mage can kill them
But my Mortal Savant Dorothea looks so cute :’(
I think Brawler is a little better now (I think it could be considered a stepping stone) with the new war monk/cleric class out. For characters that want to go with fists without having to spend time raising axe level, Brawler is a decent option for growths and quicker fist proficiency up. Reasons to go with war monk/cleric instead of war master are threefold: 1.) Females can access it. 2.) You can get heals and possibly other faith magic. Even characters with crappy magic can end up with some additional utility or a way to cheese exp on Maddening during off turns where they can't do anything else. 3.) Brawl Avoid +20 is a really good skill, especially for characters with high speed/avoid. Although Ferdinand doesn't have advantageous growths in fists, for example, he's a great user of them with brawl avoid+20 due to his personal skill and high speed. The other meme dodge build for Ferdinand entails making him a dancer for sword avoid+20, which is a bit more restrictive imo, and fists have the advantage of even less weight. Stacking all that avoid works really well on Ferdinand, even on Maddening.
The big thing that harms brawler, however, is its mastered ability. Unarmed Combat is highly situational and you will almost never use it. Going brigand, meanwhile, gets you the wonderful Deathblow, and most fist characters will get into brigand easily. Taking brawler sacrifices a nice boost to strength in order to give them dex (the least efficient stat point for point) and speed (on a class that is already using fast weapons with the brave quality anyway). Also, brawler gets a negative magic growth while brigand does not, and everyone who would want to end in War Monk are already stunted in the magic category (except Balthus).
@@Adamantium93 Those are great points! I agree that mastering Brawler is totally worthless. Unarmed combat isn't useful at all. The main benefit from using Brawler as a stepping stone would be the bonuses to increasing fist proficiency without the opportunity cost of needing to focus on axes. It's a definite trade off. Do you want death blow or do you want to focus on a different skillset? From my standpoint, death blow is amazing but you can easily take a set of 5 other useful skills without it, and benefit from not having to take the time to study axes. Faith can be more useful as a secondary focus to study, because it allows a character to equip all fist skills while still having some utility. I rarely have characters use more than one weapon type, unless the second weapon type is a bow. Another thing to consider is that for Brigand you need to get the axe mastery fairly early, while you have a long time to get the faith up for war monk/cleric, and can focus more on fists up to that point. As for the stats, speed is very useful for fist users either for 4xing or (more common on Maddening) for not getting doubled. And in the late game, a super dodgy unit like Petra, Leonie, Ingrid or Ferdinand cherishes speed for the chance at sapping enemy hit rate to 0. I agree that dex is mostly shit though.
The thing with the war monk/cleric class is that there are two different ways you can look at it. 1.) You can look at it as mainly a physical class with the bonus of spongeable free exp and utility (occasional heals/wards/restores/rescues/whatever) on off turns. 2.) Or you can look at it as a full on magical fist class, which requires a lot more effort (aura knuckles, focus on faith first and fists second until you get the aura knuckles, etc.). I look at it mostly as the former. I feel like Maddening is too hard to try a focus on magic with this class. Basically, I treat the class mainly as a physical class, but with some extra added utility with heals and some free exp. Characters who learn Ward like Ferdinand and Manuela and who are speedy or have sorta hybrid stats can benefit especially. On Maddening outside of actually using certain faith skills for their main benefit, you can also cheese exp with faith skills without needing to slow down. For example, you might have one of your characters take down an enemy, and then have another use Ward. Two characters are then getting exp instead of one. Or maybe you're in a position where you want the war monk/cleric to tank a hit, but you're not in range to attack an actual enemy. So in that circumstance, you can have them move into enemy attack range, but have somebody move next to that position first, and have the war monk ward or heal their ally. You're still taking the same number of turns, but you're getting much more exp. You can also do the same if an ally leveled up 1 point in HP. Heal them for some free exp, but give the exp of defeating enemies to someone else. On non-boss rush rout the enemy maps, sometimes there are turns where you're just moving and have nothing to do, but a character who can use magic could pop off a small heal or ward, rescue (if you don't need it) or some other utility whether you actually need it or not for some free exp.
The fact that the heals are weak or characters might end up with poor magic when going into the class doesn't bother me that much. Even a weak heal can be helpful if you're not depending on it as the only healer on your team, but as an additional supplement. There are even some characters who learn recover, and even with a crappy magic stat can heal a lot. And Brawl Avoid +20 is just amazing. I just finished the Edelgard paralogue and Ferdinand with brawl avoid+20, and an avoid+ battalion (the petra paralogue one) was able to hide in some woods and take on about 40 enemies at once, all with 0 hit rate.
No personal classes like enlightened one, Barbarossa or great lord? No dancer?
He probably forgot Dancer. He almost forgot the DLC classes. Exclusive jobs are kind of pointless to rank because only one person can use them. Same applies to Dancer come to think of it. I'd much rather prefer a separate video discussing which student makes the best Dancer.
TheSlammurai he included death knight tho so why not the other personal classes?
@@superfrubblez6123 My guess is because it was already there on the list when he went over DLC classes at the end.
Dancer is top tier for sure. Personal classes for all the lords are great, though Edelgard would appreciate being in a class with a little more move. Yeah I forgot them!
FED I think it would be great if you ranked the endgame ready classes into more tiers because there’s a lot of them and not all are as good as the others.
I had a dark bishop Hubert with Fetters of Dromi, and I used the sacred galewind shoes on him. He basically couldn’t die because of lifetaker.
NG+ exclusive, obviously
Gotta say that felix mortal savant was great for me especially because at endgame there are fortess knights whos only weakness is their resistance (also felix has black magic crit +10 and thoron)
Am I the only one who kept byleth as the enlightened one
In maddening mode hero is immensely useful as a stepping stone because not everyone can access swordmaster or warrior conveniently with the limited instructing.
_Paladin Byleth was very versatile for me on Maddening. Solid class with reliable defenses, with two easy-to-aquire ranks in Lance and Riding. Access to all effective weaponry and combat arts, high movement, can equip any battalion while also preparing you for mastery classes. SCS has 1-2 range, by the way. Maybe it's because I'm biased towards Knight Lord's, but I digress._
I don't understand the Great Knight hate. To me, it almost seems like one of the strongest classes to end up in for any cavalier unit. Axefaire AND Lancefaire with high defense for Sylvain, Ferdinand, and whoever else is great.
Wow this was actually a great video to use for reference when I get three houses thanks and also to get the DLC classes do you have to play the DLC
Yes. The DLC classes are unlocked when you complete chapter 1 of Cindered Shadows.
@@garyconstanza3120 so you only have to play chapter one cindered shadows not the whole DLC hmmm so I can get Yuri and Constance and then play my blue Lions route home does that work
@@verdant_riegan127 You still have to play the rest of Cindered Shadows if you want to get the Ashen Wolves on your main save files. Only the classes are unlocked after chapter 1. Constance is unlocked in chapter 2, Balthus in chapter 4, Hapi in chapter 5 and Yuri in chapter 6. Completing the 7th and final chapter gives you a special item and some renown.
@@garyconstanza3120 aw man thanks because I really want all them
I would argue for great knight because of the mobility on a tank unit it's really good if your using them as a primary tank
Objection: Great Knight is the best class ever. I made Flayn a Fortress Knight -> Great Knight and gave her all the defense boosters I can find and the Aegis Shield. Then she basically soloed maddening with her insane def and res, taking 0 from all physical enemies and less than 10 from bosses. I didn't even need to plant defense boosters for her.
...I'm not sure if this is serious.
Honestly I don't find Falcoknight all that good in practice. Like, in a vaccum it's obviously pretty damn amazing, but every Falco you have could be a Wyvern Lord instead and there's not a whole lot of reasons to go Falco when you probably already invested in Axes for Brigand (or even for Wyvern Rider so you're not stuck at 6 Mov till Lv30) anyways
Now, if Ferdinand/Sylvain/Seteth had access to it and could fire off flying Lancefaire Swift Strikes, that'd be a different story, but alas. #GiveShamirSwiftStrikes2k20 I guess.
(Also, fun build to try out for anyone reading this: Warlock Constance. 4 BTomefaire Boltings per map, with pretty decent odds of getting a fifth or even sixth use out of it thanks to her crest)