One thing that struck me most about the MiG-15 dogfight scene was how much ammo that plane expended in spite of having a total of 200 rounds of ammo (two 23 mm with 80 rounds per gun and a single 37 mm with 40 rounds). Overall I really enjoyed the movie, even the drama portion. But, I LOVED the Corsair footage since I am a big fan of it. Along with "Whistling Death" the Japanese gave it, it was also referred to as the "Ensign Eliminator" due to its propensity to do a torque roll if power was applied too quickly.
As an aviation enthusiast and a son of a pilot, I love everything involving aircraft. I am now a subscriber and want to see your channel grow. I also love when you dissect the flying scenes of Hollywood movies pointing out what is accurate and what is fantasy.. I hope that you do more. Cheers.
@@pilot-debrief Hey Hoover, I’m kind of new to your channel, I’ve been subscribed for a few months now, so I’m playing “catch up” on some of your videos. I especially like this style of video as well because I just naturally pick apart what the movie makers get wrong. I often feel like Hollywood could have so much more to offer if they would just stick to the facts. The truth is often more interesting than what their so called “creative license” produces. I’ve been an aviation fanatic since I was a little kid. My first words as a baby weren’t “Ma Ma and Dah Dah”, they were “hairpane” and “horsie”. The F-4U is my all time favorite warbird hands down, and any chance to see them fly is a treat for me. The F-8F Bearcat scenes in this movie were good too, but I’m straight up a Corsair man. My second cousin flew a Grumman F-6F Hellcat off of the new Yorktown in WWII after the first one sank at Midway. I know, blah, blah, blah…….😂😂 Anyway, I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL, SO KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!
@@robstanton9215 Mr Stanton. Good news is that you can visit the old Fighting Lady, Yorktown CV-10. She’s been nicely preserved in Charleston Harbor Patriots Point. I’ve toured her several times complete with lots of historical aircraft on her flight deck as well as hanger bay.
Hoover, I agree with your assessments of this movie. One of the scenes in Top Gun that just made me cringe was Tom Cruise slamming the throttle forward on takeoff from the carrier to give the alusion that was making the aircraft launch itself. Hilarious. Good job on this review too. Just curious.....have you ever watched the moview, "Bridges at Toko-Ri". My personal GOAT air combat movie. Very similiar story line. Grab a bag of popcorn and you and the Mrs enjoy. Similiar ending but much more realistic.
You were always talking about Corsairs when sometimes they flew Skyraiders in the trailer. Their first flight together for example, where he tests him out, is in Skyraiders
I'm glad I found this channel. Not very often does the public get some insight into combat aviation hosted by an F15/F18 pilot. Given that these two aircraft are in rarified company with the F22 and the tiny fraction of men who actually qualify to pilot these aircraft that says a lot. I'd like to see a live stream conducted maybe once or twice a year so we may ask questions. One of the question I have is... I watch the Growling Sidewinder channel. Often he creates a head to head matchup between combat aircraft. These aircraft fight close to each other... like gun range only close. I'd like to hear a pilot tell me this is a made up scenario that never really happens in real life. I'm pretty sure in real life opposing aircraft pilots never see who they are shooting at.
There were 6 corsairs used in the movie. The corsairs up front are real and the ones behind are CGI. The same aerial coordinator and film crew that filmed Top Gun Maverick. Kevin Larosa flying the cine-jet (an L-39 with camera gimbals located on the nose), a Phenom 300 business jet, and an A-Star helicopter. Kevin will also be the aerial coordinator on a Blue Angels documentary
3:53: difficult to land ....... i had a ride in a tiger moth biplane, in the front seat. approaching the landing i realised that i could see very little forward, and realised the pilot, in the rear seat, was sitting even lower than me. when i queried the pilot he said to look over my right shoulder. i was 'surprised' to see he was hanging right over the side of the cockpit looking forward, along the fuselage. just to add to the fun he reminded me that the moth has fixed-pitch propellor ........... no brakes on the wheels, and we were landing on grass !!
It is too bad they didn't focus on the war and history. I think we all suffer, maybe we all can get in a movie one day. I don't want to get into how many of my family died and suffered in many wars, and no, they were not black. Nice job like always.. thank you. I hope to see a movie soon on the first Italian Navy pilot
A good friend from high school flew the Douglas A1 in Vietnam as a part of the USAF air crew resue mission. That A-1 must have been one tough bird. The battle damage pictures he has will make you shudder
Its like Saving Private Ryan, no mention of other nationalities also fighting in Korea. British Royal Marines from 41 commando were at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir who are some of the best soldiers in the world, ask any Argentinian soldier who invaded the Falklands and faced them in battle. Plane crashes and other pilot comes to his aid just like Topgun Maverick.
The real problem was Devotion was too much CGI that was very dull and lifeless when it should have been exciting and suspense filled. And worse of all was the pure fictional elements of the film that distracted form a far superior screen play if they just stuck to the historical facts and the actually real life story about the two pilots relationships and two pilots real life stories. As you pointed out the Mig 15 tangle was PURE FICTION and another poster point out the bridge attack was pure fiction too valuable screen time was wasted with these two EXPENSIVE CGI fests that really add nothing to the story and confused audiences and lead to very poor word of mouth customer review and low Rotten tomato style site movie ratings.
I wondered about the situation where Jesse defied Tom and bombed the bridge. Then Jesse was angry that Tom included it in his report. On the one hand tom could have spun it in jesse’s benefit and on the other hand Jesse disobeyed an order. It was hard for me to decide who was right. Any opinion. Btw you cleared up my confusion about how an Air Force pilot flew f18’s.
According to my research, there’s not any evidence that Jesse disobeyed an order from Tom. In fact, because Jesse had more flight time than Tom, he was typically the one leading the formation. And although their formation made attacks on that bridge and artillery and AAA around it, there’s no evidence that Jesse was solely responsible for the destruction of the bridge. Either way, if going by the Hollywood version of events then Jesse was in the wrong and Tom (if he understood the racism dynamics better) could have left it out of the report but also found a different way to admonish Jesse. Definitely a tough position to be put in as a flight lead.
I firmly believe that the great Tony Scott said to one of the military advisers for Top Gun. “I don’t make movies for Fighters pilots I make movies for movie goers”.
They also exaggerated Jesse Brown's time with the flight team. in real history the men i.e. white men all liked Jesse he quickly became just another great pilot. I have read up on his case he did go thru some hard times, however, once he graduated flight school he was treated like any other pilot he loved his men and they loved him. They totally make it look like he went through the hard times with his fellow officers but that was not the case in real life. I find it sad the movie felt they needed to make it look 100x worst than it truly was.
This is because Hollywood has been pressured to insert some kind of social injustice scenario in a movie such as this just to increase drama, and to appease minority groups. Who cares if history is not portrayed accurately in the movie. So another words, this movie was a propaganda film.
I will apologize ahead of time, but I just can't resist, since this is a video on what was gotten right and wrong in the movie. I just got through reading the book, F4U Corsair vs A6M Zero-Sen - Rabaul and the Solomons 1943-44 by Michael John Claringbould, which comments on the nickname "Whistling Death" as applied to the Corsair, and it states, "...the nickname (or rather its Japanese equivalent) exists nowhere in Japanese-language literature, interrogations, or veteran testimony. In truth, the moniker was first coined by Chance Vought's publicity department, then misattributed since." I won’t get into the myth of how Koga’s captured Zero was used by Gruman as the prototype to help design the F6F Hellcat.
Not exactly a total spoiler, I thought you were going to crucify what I thought was a very good movie I suspect you enjoyed it too? but yes I agree, it could have been better.
Seems like after what the Tuskegee Airmen did over the skies of Europe, the military would have wanted to put as many Black Men in the cockpits of fighter aircraft as they could find. However, although Truman desegregated the military after WWII, Jim Crow was still the law of the land and that did not happen. In fact today, there are very few Black Fighter pilots in all of the military. One F-22 Raptor pilot left the Air Force because of the Racism that he experienced from fellow pilots. How many Black Pilots did you see, Hoover? Imagine having to fight your country for the opportunity to fight for your country.
You are confusing Hollywood and History. This, and all movies ( I work in the industry) are written and made to make money. period. They never let facts get in the way of that. The 2Hr time restriction ( theater owners don't want movies more than 2hrs long, bad for business) means writers and editors have to make creative interpretations all the time. It's not the History Channel, it's show BUSINESS>
My question is ? At a time when racism compared to now was more acceptable compared too todays tolerance ("Its not Acceptance but its a start") How many black folks died in certain positions of rank compared to their white counter parts of the same position Just curious? Not trying to start anything After all , a question like this is natural Due to coming from a position of difference , classed by another.
One thing that struck me most about the MiG-15 dogfight scene was how much ammo that plane expended in spite of having a total of 200 rounds of ammo (two 23 mm with 80 rounds per gun and a single 37 mm with 40 rounds).
Overall I really enjoyed the movie, even the drama portion. But, I LOVED the Corsair footage since I am a big fan of it. Along with "Whistling Death" the Japanese gave it, it was also referred to as the "Ensign Eliminator" due to its propensity to do a torque roll if power was applied too quickly.
As an aviation enthusiast and a son of a pilot, I love everything involving aircraft. I am now a subscriber and want to see your channel grow. I also love when you dissect the flying scenes of Hollywood movies pointing out what is accurate and what is fantasy.. I hope that you do more. Cheers.
Thanks! I look forward to making more reaction videos in the future!
@@pilot-debrief Hey Hoover, I’m kind of new to your channel, I’ve been subscribed for a few months now, so I’m playing “catch up” on some of your videos. I especially like this style of video as well because I just naturally pick apart what the movie makers get wrong. I often feel like Hollywood could have so much more to offer if they would just stick to the facts. The truth is often more interesting than what their so called “creative license” produces. I’ve been an aviation fanatic since I was a little kid. My first words as a baby weren’t “Ma Ma and Dah Dah”, they were “hairpane” and “horsie”. The F-4U is my all time favorite warbird hands down, and any chance to see them fly is a treat for me. The F-8F Bearcat scenes in this movie were good too, but I’m straight up a Corsair man. My second cousin flew a Grumman F-6F Hellcat off of the new Yorktown in WWII after the first one sank at Midway. I know, blah, blah, blah…….😂😂 Anyway, I LOVE YOUR CHANNEL, SO KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!
@@robstanton9215 Mr Stanton. Good news is that you can visit the old Fighting Lady, Yorktown CV-10. She’s been nicely preserved in Charleston Harbor Patriots Point. I’ve toured her several times complete with lots of historical aircraft on her flight deck as well as hanger bay.
Hoover, I agree with your assessments of this movie. One of the scenes in Top Gun that just made me cringe was Tom Cruise slamming the throttle forward on takeoff from the carrier to give the alusion that was making the aircraft launch itself. Hilarious. Good job on this review too. Just curious.....have you ever watched the moview, "Bridges at Toko-Ri". My personal GOAT air combat movie. Very similiar story line. Grab a bag of popcorn and you and the Mrs enjoy. Similiar ending but much more realistic.
You were always talking about Corsairs when sometimes they flew Skyraiders in the trailer. Their first flight together for example, where he tests him out, is in Skyraiders
The planes they were training in are bearcats
I'm glad I found this channel.
Not very often does the public get some insight into combat aviation hosted by an F15/F18 pilot. Given that these two aircraft are in rarified company with the F22 and the tiny fraction of men who actually qualify to pilot these aircraft that says a lot.
I'd like to see a live stream conducted maybe once or twice a year so we may ask questions.
One of the question I have is... I watch the Growling Sidewinder channel. Often he creates a head to head matchup between combat aircraft. These aircraft fight close to each other... like gun range only close. I'd like to hear a pilot tell me this is a made up scenario that never really happens in real life. I'm pretty sure in real life opposing aircraft pilots never see who they are shooting at.
There were 6 corsairs used in the movie. The corsairs up front are real and the ones behind are CGI. The same aerial coordinator and film crew that filmed Top Gun Maverick. Kevin Larosa flying the cine-jet (an L-39 with camera gimbals located on the nose), a Phenom 300 business jet, and an A-Star helicopter. Kevin will also be the aerial coordinator on a Blue Angels documentary
I have always been extremely interested in the F4U-4B as used in Korea. It is great to have a movie featuring that.
3:53: difficult to land ....... i had a ride in a tiger moth biplane, in the front seat. approaching the landing i realised that i could see very little forward, and realised the pilot, in the rear seat, was sitting even lower than me. when i queried the pilot he said to look over my right shoulder. i was 'surprised' to see he was hanging right over the side of the cockpit looking forward, along the fuselage. just to add to the fun he reminded me that the moth has fixed-pitch propellor ........... no brakes on the wheels, and we were landing on grass !!
It is too bad they didn't focus on the war and history. I think we all suffer, maybe we all can get in a movie one day. I don't want to get into how many of my family died and suffered in many wars, and no, they were not black. Nice job like always.. thank you. I hope to see a movie soon on the first Italian Navy pilot
New sub. Really enjoying the content!
Thanks! Did you fly the F-4?
@@pilot-debrief wanted to in the worst way but unfortunately failed my physical. Pops was a Jug pilot in WW2 and my uncle was a F105 pilot in Vietnam.
The madness of war
A good friend from high school flew the Douglas A1 in Vietnam as a part of the USAF air crew resue mission. That A-1 must have been one tough bird. The battle damage pictures he has will make you shudder
I'm pretty sure that the center in the airplane is a Douglas AD1, not a Corsair. Just saying.
Its like Saving Private Ryan, no mention of other nationalities also fighting in Korea. British Royal Marines from 41 commando were at the Battle of Chosin Reservoir who are some of the best soldiers in the world, ask any Argentinian soldier who invaded the Falklands and faced them in battle. Plane crashes and other pilot comes to his aid just like Topgun Maverick.
More like Pearl Harbor. Although this movie was far better due to pacing and knowing when to focus on the two leads journey.
Dang, now I have to watch a movie to finish that video 😅
Same here. 😂
The real problem was Devotion was too much CGI that was very dull and lifeless when it should have been exciting and suspense filled. And worse of all was the pure fictional elements of the film that distracted form a far superior screen play if they just stuck to the historical facts and the actually real life story about the two pilots relationships and two pilots real life stories. As you pointed out the Mig 15 tangle was PURE FICTION and another poster point out the bridge attack was pure fiction too valuable screen time was wasted with these two EXPENSIVE CGI fests that really add nothing to the story and confused audiences and lead to very poor word of mouth customer review and low Rotten tomato style site movie ratings.
I wondered about the situation where Jesse defied Tom and bombed the bridge. Then Jesse was angry that Tom included it in his report. On the one hand tom could have spun it in jesse’s benefit and on the other hand Jesse disobeyed an order. It was hard for me to decide who was right. Any opinion.
Btw you cleared up my confusion about how an Air Force pilot flew f18’s.
According to my research, there’s not any evidence that Jesse disobeyed an order from Tom. In fact, because Jesse had more flight time than Tom, he was typically the one leading the formation. And although their formation made attacks on that bridge and artillery and AAA around it, there’s no evidence that Jesse was solely responsible for the destruction of the bridge.
Either way, if going by the Hollywood version of events then Jesse was in the wrong and Tom (if he understood the racism dynamics better) could have left it out of the report but also found a different way to admonish Jesse. Definitely a tough position to be put in as a flight lead.
I firmly believe that the great Tony Scott said to one of the military advisers for Top Gun. “I don’t make movies for Fighters pilots I make movies for movie goers”.
My uncle died in the Korean War. His wife was pregnant and he never got to meet his son.
They also exaggerated Jesse Brown's time with the flight team. in real history the men i.e. white men all liked Jesse he quickly became just another great pilot. I have read up on his case he did go thru some hard times, however, once he graduated flight school he was treated like any other pilot he loved his men and they loved him. They totally make it look like he went through the hard times with his fellow officers but that was not the case in real life. I find it sad the movie felt they needed to make it look 100x worst than it truly was.
This is because Hollywood has been pressured to insert some kind of social injustice scenario in a movie such as this just to increase drama, and to appease minority groups. Who cares if history is not portrayed accurately in the movie. So another words, this movie was a propaganda film.
Um,,, boats are designed to sink… 😹
My cousin flew Saber jets in Korea. He was shot down near the end of the war.
'Enjoyed' is the wrong word. No war is enjoyable.
before you go into battle, release the drop tanks......the plane will go faster and you can maneuver better.
Now that I know the ending, I don’t want to see the movie.
I will apologize ahead of time, but I just can't resist, since this is a video on what was gotten right and wrong in the movie. I just got through reading the book, F4U Corsair vs A6M Zero-Sen - Rabaul and the Solomons 1943-44 by Michael John Claringbould, which comments on the nickname "Whistling Death" as applied to the Corsair, and it states, "...the nickname (or rather its Japanese equivalent) exists nowhere in Japanese-language literature, interrogations, or veteran testimony. In truth, the moniker was first coined by Chance Vought's publicity department, then misattributed since."
I won’t get into the myth of how Koga’s captured Zero was used by Gruman as the prototype to help design the F6F Hellcat.
Not exactly a total spoiler, I thought you were going to crucify what I thought was a very good movie I suspect you enjoyed it too? but yes I agree, it could have been better.
Seems like after what the Tuskegee Airmen did over the skies of Europe, the military would have wanted to put as many Black Men in the cockpits of fighter aircraft as they could find. However, although Truman desegregated the military after WWII, Jim Crow was still the law of the land and that did not happen. In fact today, there are very few Black Fighter pilots in all of the military. One F-22 Raptor pilot left the Air Force because of the Racism that he experienced from fellow pilots. How many Black Pilots did you see, Hoover? Imagine having to fight your country for the opportunity to fight for your country.
You are confusing Hollywood and History. This, and all movies ( I work in the industry) are written and made to make money. period. They never let facts get in the way of that. The 2Hr time restriction ( theater owners don't want movies more than 2hrs long, bad for business) means writers and editors have to make creative interpretations all the time. It's not the History Channel, it's show BUSINESS>
My question is ? At a time when racism compared to now was more acceptable compared too todays tolerance
("Its not Acceptance but its a start")
How many black folks died in certain positions of rank compared to their white counter parts of the same position
Just curious? Not trying to start anything
After all , a question like this is natural
Due to coming from a position of difference , classed by another.
Spoiler alert! In the followup movie, DEVOTION II - FURRY UNLEASHED
“Just be my WingLGBTQHeSheHerTheyThem” China Fighter Pilot radios back, “Meow”