Ample Metal AMH vs. Shreddage 3 Hydra (Comparison)
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Same exact track for each instrument. Same processing on both guitars, even the amp sim settings are the same.
Tubescreamer vst into Thermionik Serpent into Mikko cab with NO post processing.
Interesting. The two best sampled guitar companies, thanks for the video.
heavier7strings says hello
@@avoider707 Hi. (I'm just buying it at the moment)
Not anymore, Solemn Tones just released The Odin III.
@@adownbeatexegete1549 One guitar will not dethrone ISW - I own like six of their guitars, they're all amazing. I'll def check Odin 3 out though, thanks 👍 it is unfortunate however that the UI is upside-down. This is why I never bought any Toontrack guitar: as a guitarist/bassist, I like to see the instrument be orientated properly as if I was playing it. The same reason why drum software always looks like you're sitting behind the kit.
I prefer both. each have different advantages. play them both together and they compliment each other very nicely. but it doesnt stop there . use a clean sound and add say an arch type gojira amp sim and boom another dimension of options show up.
I'd love to hear a high gain comparison. Like Djent or tech-death style riffing. Please and thnx
Thank you so much for the based comprassion video.
Hey, great video, I also really like the bass guitar you are using, is that another VST? if so, can I know which one? it sounds amazing.
might be wrong but sounds like the djinn bass vst. I see it on his kontakt library, and I own it too and it sounds very similar. Its a beast of a bass
0:26 1:30 same start comparison spot
In My opinión ample sound hellrazer it's very good,
Ample Metalllll!!!!
Which is better for lead solos?
Both are very good! Ample sounds a little more like a real guitar player to my ears! With Ample it's harder to detect its a keyboard making the sound.
while you are correct in this example, it is very bizarre to witness. in every use case i've experienced shreddage is VASTLY more realistic than ample. i can't see the details of this setup, but i suspect the issue with this track is the approach to midi. as well as the amp simulation. the velocity appears to be quite robotic. i don't see any rake picking occurring, nor can i see the pick strength setting, nor any other articulation setting (there are SO many to choose from to create very realistic, playable guitars in shreddage). there is very little randomness to the attacks in most of the riffs (which by default is all naturally executed by velocity) and i suspect the various randomization settings (which are enabled by default) are turned down or off.
the more accurate controlled test would be to run the INIT patch for both guitars through the same amp sim.
context - i've been a full-time, professional producer for 20 years. i own every shreddage guitar, and only a few ample guitars, as ample is way behind in realism currently. even out of the box, every shreddage guitar sounds infinitely more realistic than any ample guitar. shreddage owns the vst guitar market for now. modo bass from ik multimedia owns the bass category. superior drummer 3 from toontrack owns the drum category.
@@cmtcfu Hi, what guitar VST would you recommend for power chords strumming in the sound & style of Evanescence (Lithium, Erase This etc.), and what for bass? (Shreddage / Modo / SubmissionAudio / AmpleSound / Ujam...) thank you! 🙏
@@cmtcfu I totally agree with you on all the points you've made. I couldn't be happier with these plugins.
@@cmtcfuit really depends on case by case basis. What kind of riff and phrase, what kind of sound you're going for etc.
Sometimes I get better results with Ample, sometimes Shreddage. I have all the Shreddage and Ample guitars for what it's worth.
1:24 1:41 AMH
0:20 0:37 Hydra
Very similar, at first I thought the hydra stood out as the better tone but side by side they are pretty same same, maybe hydra is slightly phatter
I think the effect of palm muted metal riffs and chords is slightly better captured by Hydra. I'm just about to pick up Heavier 7 Strings, and I may buy Hydra as well because the articulation systems are different enough that each may have their strengths (heavier is very easy to work with though, once one gets over the strange aspect of chord detection - which I believe Hydra may have a slightly easier take on but I haven't used it and there doesn't appear to be a way to demo Hydra.
to zero point - well said….! Let´s try the blind test - for me it is impossible to distinguish any important difference….true - I am not any metal guitarist…🙋
It’s awesome..now try using this guitar with bias fx 2 or amplitube 4...its gonna sound more awesome...
How do you do that exactly?-I mean you turn off all your amps and fx on the vst but then how to connect the amp sims like bias 2 to the vst . Should I use a DAW or what
@@mmxxxix5519 yeah, you can use any daw, even a free one
Omg ample metal sounding good af
Great video, thank you! Question: do you think it would be possible to use a guitar as a midi controller for a guitar VST? I'm thinking about getting a Roland GK-3 and using my Helix as a Midi interface... Thx in advance!
yes it is
@@udayarathna6079 how would you do it? Thx!
@@simoneattivissimo If u have a interface that has a midi I/O then u can plug in ur guitar into the midi input and use a guitar amp plugin.It will work.
@@udayarathna6079 thanks!
@@simoneattivissimo Fishman triple play is better I reckon
I'm curious....which one do you prefer?
Shreddage wins. Hands down.
What drums are you using 👀
I'm guessing it's the SSD4 Blackbird kit. (it showed up in one of his other videos and this sounds the same)
It's Superior Drummer 3
Hydra or Jupiter for atmo doom metal ?
shreddage 3 hydra звучит глубже и объемнее
Stupid question but can you set the tuning of the instrument or is it based on samples in specific tunings? / I play in drop G# on a 7 string...
you can change the pitch in Kontakt, but both libraries are in a very low E tuning, so you can play in drop g# if you like
What is the distortion guitar plugin you used?
Well, my guess is Tubescreamer vst into Thermionik Serpent into Mikko cab :)
dope
разницы в звуке практически нет, по крайней мере я не слышу особой разницы, между гитарами
Мне кажется, что Hellraiser звучит более пластмассово, там меньше семплов в сравнении с гидрой
@@xefour1140 Чутка есть такое
put a sawwave in the rack of eeffects, eqs and dists and replace the guitar... It may also sound much better, if not too distorted, but you won't have the articulations and such.
как по мне,так AMH звучит более картонно и вычурно зло.... UPD: было дело послушал Гидру (ей и пользуюсь теперь) и AMH на примерах разных работ... ну, как уже понятно, я остался с Гидрой)) причем AMH очень и очень неплоха! это она Гидре в моих глазах (ушах) проиграла,а так гитара супер!
Разобрался только как пользоваться гидрой, к сожалению amh мне не очень понятен. Но как по мне примерно на одном уровне. Мб есть неплохие видосы с разбором плагина.
@@andreyblack4150 могу запилить видос на Дмитрий Страж (Ютуб)...если спрос вообще есть до сих... у меня оба плага куплены (один на пол года,другой навсегда)...вопросы только озвучте...так сказать "за что пояснять?"))
@@user-Strage я бы на оба плагина посмотрел. Построение партий в разных жанрах и момент с хумонизацией. Я использовал плагин из серии шредейдж там где гибсон мб там хуже с этим, но как ни крутил настройки гитара звучала слишком электронно не хватает живости вроде с 8 струйкой ситуация лучше.
Друг, как ты в гидре мьют настроил?
Я уже второй день не могу разобраться с ним, вот серьезно
а гидру реально использовать без миди клавиатуры? я скачал контакт и гидру, выгрузил инструмент и библиотеку в контакт, а как играть не понимаю. Когда в рипере пытаюсь контакт запустить - всё отваливатеся и крашится. Что я делаю не так?
hydra for me...try fast repeated notes...amh has more machine gun effect..
How do you even start with multi tracking ample?
If I remember correctly it can multitrack itself. Or you can just duplicate the track and hit the humanize button.
Ample
Shreddage sounds better. There's too much fret rattling with Ample.
Как открыть пианролл?
да,только AMH пока не найти со скидкой...
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@@TheSanchezRussian оказывается уже и на других торрентах появился)) спасибо,что подсказали! раньше днем с огнем не найти было - только оф.сайт и без скидок((
What are you using for the bass?
In case you never found out - it's Djinnbass
а что за бас-гитара?
Djinnbass
hellrazer sounds infinitely more like a real guitar, no comparison
Ample Metal sounds ugly