I’ve reached the point where I don’t dabble into an issue 1 unless I was excited before release…otherwise can read online and if it’s that good find a copy later…especially since nothing is scarce anymore
"Him not moving while the universe moves around him" That was stolen from Futurama. That's how the Planet Express ship works with its dark matter fuel.
From what I've seen, most DC readers who also follow Marvel had a hunch this would be the outcome with Si Spurrier because of what he did and is still doing with Nightcrawler.
I feel like this is chasing that Immortal Hulk vibe by trying to deal with cosmic horror and new powers without thinking of why that worked. The irony is it's such a tone shift from the previous run that it's more like Donny Cate's Hulk... a total let down.
It can work when he is in stasis with the monologue, but in pages like 6:03 is confusing. In my opinion, is something you can do it one time but not overusing it.
I've seen some books break up a single image into smaller panels, but normally it's a creative way of guiding your eyes round a page, the one you showed was just a lot of basic background.
Sounds like how Professor Farnsworth described how their ship works. "It stays stationary and the universe moves around the ship" It came to me in a dream and I forgot it in another dream.
I knew it. This is exactly what happened with Tomesi on Superman. Despite the fact that Peter's run was a critical and financial hit, DC removed him and put Bendis on the book, and everything went down hill very quickly! I knew DC would pull the same BS with Jeremy and his run on The Flash. This just further proves that DC comics hate Wally West and hate their fans! No offense to Si, but he was not the right writer for Flash, butDC does not care. They just don't. And it pissess me off!
I decided to avoid this series when I read Suicide Squad Blaze a few montgs ago. Si Spurrier sould read Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud and take notes from it.
So, the Flash writer is trying to be Thomas Pynchon with stream of consciousness writing. That definitely sounds Lovecraftian, except it isn’t squamous and nebulous, though there are moments the artwork is trying hard to do it. The Stillness looks like other Flash variants. So, Wally West now folds space? A shame he doesn’t wind up on the Event Horizon at this point. Doc gave it a score of 3, and that is far too kind, the square root of -1 would probably be more representative of this hot mess.
Not every writer can imitate Grant Morrison but Si Spurrier is giving it his best shot. The concept of Stillness as conceived by Spurrier appears to be loosely based on real world physics which theorize that "true stillness is conceptually impossible". The idea being that the Earth spins on its axis, which in, turn, revolves around the sun in a solar system that itself is ever expanding within a universe that itself is ever expanding. Thus, nothing is ever... 'still'. Accordingly, IF the 4-dimensional beings are genuinely capable of being "still"--- they must be 4 dimensional being existing outside of space time. It is further implied (I think) that Wally has the power to access the 'stillness' when he 'steps-out' of space and time.... and then steps back in -- to hit Grodd. Whether or not Wally has a 'new' power now, or if tapping into the 'stillness' is part of a 'new' connection to the Speed Force, is not clear.
No writer should ever try to attempt to write in a similar way. Akin to Grant Morrison as it is, by definition, impossible to capture this style. They will only look like an idiot for trying.
I was okay with the first issue but the second left me cold. If books were still $1.00 or $2.00 I'd be willing to ride it out and see where things go, but $4.00 books are very easy to find a reason to drop, and I think I'm going to.
I jumped the train as soon as I read the first issue. The way Spurrier wrote Linda was atrocious. Making her feel insecure, like she doesn't have a place, she is just flash's wife, and that is a huge lie. Linda is one of the most badass women in comics, and she was a speedster for awhile and helped saved the world, not to mention have helped saved the world just as a regular human. Just unnecessary drama.
Si Spurrier has a talent for writing love interests rather poorly. This is just an example he did on DC and I can give you two others from his Nightcrawler runs at Marvel : Zsen from Legion of X (his own character) and Silver Sable from Uncanny Spider-Man. These two adult women come off as either creepy, immature and incompetent the second he gets his hands on them and pairs them with Nightcrawler.
@@spinningtornado4543silver sable and nightcrawler? Hahahahah, doesn't make any sense. From his work I'm only familiar with his run in hellblazer, but I wasn't a fan of that. I enjoy Constantine when it's about magic, not about complaining about rightwing people
I think this is the worst Flash run, Wally or Barry, since the character was created. I'm dropping the title. I am worried they are going to do something as drastic as OMD to Wally during this run.
When people ask, "You don't read Flash? Why?". This. This right here. This high concept, time/space centric, outta control fan-boy writer nonsense. Every series just wants to one-up the series before, and it's turned Flash and it's surrounding mythos into post-Flashpoint obsessed crap. *Remember when the Flash was just a dude who was fast AF? I do.
Did you not fucking read the Jeremy run? It was pure fun. Everything that Flash is meant to be. Even the Williamson run (which I did not care for) was better unlike whatever Si is doing. If you actually read either run you would know this!
@zemox2534 I stated rather clearly, that I DON'T read modern Flash. Your hysterical response is exactly what I've come to expect from Flash fans, further solidifying my decision to NOT read Flash.
Ian Flynn was kept the writer after Archie Sonic Comics ended after 24 years, 1992-2016 and he was kept the writer for the soft reboot IDW series. So why not Jeremy Adams for Wally West.
I only bought the flash because Mike Deodato was the artist, but now I'm dropping it after issue 2. There are too many text boxes, and the writing is confusing to me
Oooooooo I am not a fan of all the little panels! My eye is not sure where to go. I do not like the lines, the anatomy is not superhero heroic to me, and I do not know what is going on in the story. I have been collecting flash over the last year or so. I will not be picking up issue 3 due to the story and artwork.
8:25 It's like this writer just learned about Scalar weapons on youtube while being high as a kite one night and woke up thinking he has this new great idea for a comic book. The Flash doesn't have to be a wave like other particles anymore! He can be a straight line! Teleportation! Some highdeas work out great. Most do not.
Not reading it, but from the bits I've seen and descriptions it sounds like Si read a Critchton book and wanted to do the "smart guy blending scifi and facts" but forgot you need to either do research, be ungodly smart, or both
Been reading the flash since rebirth and sad to see it fall off like this. It sounds convuluted as all hell. I'll definitely be careful as I approach this new run.
Futurama meets Farscape, sit in one place while galaxy moves around you = PSEUDO TELEPORT, anti black hole, problem that .... even basic teleport is overpowered shit but this stuff....
I used to think Si Spurrier was just a Warren Ellis wannabe. But I now realise he's the epitome of the Charles Bukowski quote. "The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence". He's the stupid one who thinks he's smart, just in case that wasn't clear.
Its what we've been saying all along about new comics Wes. These writers absolutely HATE continuity and will go out of their ways to deconstruct the characters to fit THEIR world views and their interests. Obviously Si Spurrier is an intellectual who has read too much bad Sci Fi, is upset HE didn't come up with Watchmen and chooses to use some special substances to spark his creative muse. He's from the Alan Moore school of "If the normies dont get it...cool" What DC(and Marvel) are failing to understand is that right now they have damaged their properties SO badly they need to settle and put out books that feature NORMAL stories. Look at the history of x character or X team, hire a writer and an artist and TELL them "This is the outline of who this character is. Write a story based on THAT". If the writer (in this case Si Spurrier) says "Nah man! I want to write some trippy cosmic acid based story" Tell them where to go and what to do with the acid when they get there. Since none of the editors have the balls or brains to do this.....I wont be shocked when, in this case, Flash is canceled and "Rebooted" yet again. Its just getting sad. Stories like this one make it hard for me not to just cancel all my comics and spend time reading back issues.
I'd rather read Tini Howard than Spi Spurrier, atleast with Howard I actually understand what the hell is going on even though it's boring. With Spurrier it's both boring and INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
You can always count on DC to mess things up. They wasted Rebirth and Super Sons, neutered characters or made them unrecognizable, hired Toms and other "writers" and now did dirty to Wally West again. It's like they want to fail.
Im so freaking tired of the damn speed force. Flash is so OP and the Speed Force is so uninteresting. Every new Flash writer has to tell some Speed Force story. Its so cliche at this point. The Flash can be so much more than these Speed Force stories.
Honestly at this point I think that DC really does have way too many speedsters and I think they should just go back to basics, where it was just Barry Allen Flash, Zoom, and Jay Garrick. No I'm not saying this as a negative that I don't like Wally West flash, but ever since they brought him back it seems like they have no idea on how to write him or even him being married with kids.
I haven't liked Mike's art in nearly 25 years. But I started actively hating it when he turned into a full-time "trace 3D models" artist. At least Greg Land traces actual pictures of people.
@@ScienceJesus Agreed. Deodato's art has been terrible for years. He reminds me of Salvador Larroca. They both started out as really good artists years ago, when they were drawing on paper like normal people. But then they started over-relying on computer models or something (I can't tell exactly), but whatever they're doing, it has ruined their art. It looks awkward and synthetic now.
I'm with you Wes, this is terrible, and I love Wally West, he's my Flash from post crisis Bill Messner-Loebs run, but I can't read this it's just too bad
Please don't give Si Spurrier ideas. He's the same writer whose current mini at Marvel is about Nightcrawler (Kurt Wagner) pretending to be Spider-Man. Nothing is off the table in where a character could go with him.
This is why dc and marvel sales are down. Dc stand for detective comics and can't they just make non super hero comics. Damn DC comics is just a joke like marvel and others.
Si Spurrier is terrible. Everything he puts his hand to just bores the shit out of me. I've just read the latest annual/supersize issue and I couldn't wait for it to be finished.
I don't read Flash books since Williamson run in Rebirth but this is bad signal that the writers shift can screw with the quality of any book. I'm very afraid that Action Comics will suffer the same fate of Flash book when Phillip Kennedy Johnson leaving the title in next december. DC just can't manage to keep your main heroes away of mediocre writers.
The only reason why I'm buying this book is because of Mike deodato's artwork (which is wasted on the writing of this series) and I'd prefer to have barry Allen in the title role.
Maybe it is time they try something new. Fire the writers, fire the letters and just sell a comic with "Write your own dialog" theme. Let each reader write their own story, and avoid the pit fall of selling a poor written story that any reader could have written better.
The distribution of the panels is not creative, but pretentious. There is real innovation and fake, ineffective way to do things. Many text boxes when he's in stasis. The art is not very detailed, many times the characters don't even have shadows in the floor and objects like cars or buildings are photoshoped pictures or 3D models. Also, I can't stand in modern comics the lazy copy-paste panels with minor changes.
Well said. Also way too much black/dark tone/grittiness for a title like the Flash. Deodato peaked well over 20 years ago. Computers have ruined much comic art these days.
Whoa harsha haha. I get all the criticism. I was a little more optimistic in my review, mostly because it’s only 2 issues in and trying to see where it goes. A lot of negative feedback on this series so far. But we will see how it shakes out. I’m gonna give it one arc. (No pun intended) 😉 😂
I like that Wally was about to combine his speed with the Stillness to defeat Grodd. Also, him comforting Linda after she had a nightmare, which is really sweet. Also, knowing about the backstory of the Stillness.
If this is true then I that is truly tragic. I’ve been a Flash fan since the tv show debut and I picked up the comics monthly from my lcs. I loved Williamson’s run and really loved Adams run as well. I usually give comics comics the 1 arc try then I decide if I’ll drop it. I hope Supurrier doesn’t tarnish what the previous writers left behind toooooo much :((((
I thought it was cool back in an early issue of Alpha Flight when Guardian used his suit to make himself static compared to the earth’s rotation (or whatever) and was immediately shunted hundreds of miles away. That was like 40 years ago. This is just more boring, navel-gazing, gay cowboys eating pudding garbage from Discount Store Warren Ellis.
I think you weren't harsh enough on the guy ruining Alan Scott. I think you're being too harsh on this. Yes it looks like they're powering him up ridiculously but apparently they did the same to Mirror Master and Grodd? What Wally West seems to be doing is just stepping out of spacetime and coming back in. Like the Folded Man or like Void in that Wildstorm/DC crossover with the Justice League and WildC.A.T.S.. And the whole "universe moving around him" thing was done in 1984 by Piers Anthony in the book series "Incarnations of Immortality", #2 "Bearing An Hourglass". This hourglass device enabled fast space travel; it let you ignore the absolute motion of the earth, the sun, the whole galaxy, if you tilted it in a particular direction it would enable that motion in that direction. Everything was moving, the hourglass just let you ignore that you were moving relative to everything too, you got to use the fact the whole universe was moving around you. Anyway, who cares anymore? They're just gonna reboot this universe in flip-random-number-of-calendar-pages-here.
@@ScienceJesus yeah but then they'll take any attention they can get. Readers who never even saw the de-aged Alan Scott or understand any of history including Obsidian or Jade or Molly Mayne will feed him scraps he'll use as validation for destroying The Elder Statesman Of DC. It is not enough that we must win, he must *lose*.
No writer should ever try to attempt to write in a similar way. Akin to Grant Morrison as it is, by definition, impossible to capture this style. They will only look like an idiot for trying.
This book worsened my depression, but... DILDO SHAPED HEAD is my band's new name.. Thx Doc.. Curious is the Flash has ever been caught jerkin it? Like seriously..hes the fastest man on the planet. So does he get caught and run real fast or has he perfected the art of completion before detection? Jeez.. all these new crappy books got my brain all f*cked up huh?
Three issues? You're too generous. Now days my jumping off point is one issue. Comics are too expensive to go to give them three chances.
That's one of the truest statements I've read in awhile. Sad for true comic fans who just want good writing and fun escapism. Cheers @madbug1965
I’ve reached the point where I don’t dabble into an issue 1 unless I was excited before release…otherwise can read online and if it’s that good find a copy later…especially since nothing is scarce anymore
When they're only 4-6 issues in most cases anymore, 3 issues is 2 too many to "try it".
"Him not moving while the universe moves around him"
That was stolen from Futurama. That's how the Planet Express ship works with its dark matter fuel.
Hahaha! I remember that.
Shocking. A DC Writer lifting an idea from a TV show....who would have guessed.... 🙄
No, the idea's a lot older than that. Piers Anthony did it in his "Incarnations of Immortality" series book 2 "Bearing An Hourglass".
@@troffle its probably even older than that
In france, i think we're two books away the end of adams run, and i already was asking myself if i should continue after it....
Well i had my answer.
I knew this Spurrier guy stunk after reading those backups in Detective Comics.
From what I've seen, most DC readers who also follow Marvel had a hunch this would be the outcome with Si Spurrier because of what he did and is still doing with Nightcrawler.
He wrote a few bad Justice League issues too.
@fishin4bass2002 only thing memorable or cringe was when Mr. Freeze got kicked in the nuts
Damn, this run made honor to Flash's name:
It was pretty fast 😉
Frank Herbert's Dune called it "Folding Space"
I feel like this is chasing that Immortal Hulk vibe by trying to deal with cosmic horror and new powers without thinking of why that worked. The irony is it's such a tone shift from the previous run that it's more like Donny Cate's Hulk... a total let down.
Remember when the writer said this was his alan moroe swamp thing.this didnot age well
The point of the paneled splash page is to convey that time is moving on, but Flash is completely still. I thought that was fairly obvious.
It can work when he is in stasis with the monologue, but in pages like 6:03 is confusing. In my opinion, is something you can do it one time but not overusing it.
We were afraid this would happen. RIP Flash.
I've seen some books break up a single image into smaller panels, but normally it's a creative way of guiding your eyes round a page, the one you showed was just a lot of basic background.
Oh DC. I've given up
Yeah I have no idea what is even Happening within this flash story.
They Changed Writers, yea we kinda saw it coming since ain't many good writers left at DC or Marvel if any.
@@DgardsGaming indeed which sucks because Jeremy adams flash run was fantastic and tons of fun and taking him off the book was just freaking garbage.
@@DgardsGaming Chjange writers always can be a bad thing,because the next writer cannot deliver the same quality of the previous run.
Sounds like how Professor Farnsworth described how their ship works. "It stays stationary and the universe moves around the ship" It came to me in a dream and I forgot it in another dream.
0:25 I used to give a series three issues but with all the price hikes I only give a new series one issue
I knew it. This is exactly what happened with Tomesi on Superman. Despite the fact that Peter's run was a critical and financial hit, DC removed him and put Bendis on the book, and everything went down hill very quickly! I knew DC would pull the same BS with Jeremy and his run on The Flash. This just further proves that DC comics hate Wally West and hate their fans! No offense to Si, but he was not the right writer for Flash, butDC does not care. They just don't. And it pissess me off!
I'm afraid the same happens with Action Comics after PKJ leave the title in next december.The awful Superman stories come back again.
I miss the good old days when Jeremy Adams' was on The Flash even more.
That issue was fucking incomprehensible
It feel like A arrowverse episode.
I decided to avoid this series when I read Suicide Squad Blaze a few montgs ago. Si Spurrier sould read Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud and take notes from it.
Nick Wilde: Flash is my favorite sloth at the Department of Motor Vehicles.
So, the Flash writer is trying to be Thomas Pynchon with stream of consciousness writing. That definitely sounds Lovecraftian, except it isn’t squamous and nebulous, though there are moments the artwork is trying hard to do it. The Stillness looks like other Flash variants. So, Wally West now folds space? A shame he doesn’t wind up on the Event Horizon at this point.
Doc gave it a score of 3, and that is far too kind, the square root of -1 would probably be more representative of this hot mess.
I walked away the minute I saw the art.
That's just sad. I've always been a fan of Mike Deodato.
The investor money is gone.
I hope these A-holes who destroyed the industry reap what they sow.
Deodato is talented but he's not for The Flash. Spurrier just has to go
Not every writer can imitate Grant Morrison but Si Spurrier is giving it his best shot. The concept of Stillness as conceived by Spurrier appears to be loosely based on real world physics which theorize that "true stillness is conceptually impossible". The idea being that the Earth spins on its axis, which in, turn, revolves around the sun in a solar system that itself is ever expanding within a universe that itself is ever expanding. Thus, nothing is ever... 'still'. Accordingly, IF the 4-dimensional beings are genuinely capable of being "still"--- they must be 4 dimensional being existing outside of space time. It is further implied (I think) that Wally has the power to access the 'stillness' when he 'steps-out' of space and time.... and then steps back in -- to hit Grodd. Whether or not Wally has a 'new' power now, or if tapping into the 'stillness' is part of a 'new' connection to the Speed Force, is not clear.
No writer should ever try to attempt to write in a similar way.
Akin to Grant Morrison as it is, by definition, impossible to capture this style.
They will only look like an idiot for trying.
Wow that was fast!
Meth - don't even try it once, kids.
I was okay with the first issue but the second left me cold. If books were still $1.00 or $2.00 I'd be willing to ride it out and see where things go, but $4.00 books are very easy to find a reason to drop, and I think I'm going to.
I wasnt even motivated to bother trying the second issue.
I jumped the train as soon as I read the first issue. The way Spurrier wrote Linda was atrocious. Making her feel insecure, like she doesn't have a place, she is just flash's wife, and that is a huge lie. Linda is one of the most badass women in comics, and she was a speedster for awhile and helped saved the world, not to mention have helped saved the world just as a regular human. Just unnecessary drama.
Si Spurrier has a talent for writing love interests rather poorly.
This is just an example he did on DC and I can give you two others from his Nightcrawler runs at Marvel : Zsen from Legion of X (his own character) and Silver Sable from Uncanny Spider-Man.
These two adult women come off as either creepy, immature and incompetent the second he gets his hands on them and pairs them with Nightcrawler.
@@spinningtornado4543silver sable and nightcrawler? Hahahahah, doesn't make any sense. From his work I'm only familiar with his run in hellblazer, but I wasn't a fan of that. I enjoy Constantine when it's about magic, not about complaining about rightwing people
"Square root of G"
I"m ded
I think this is the worst Flash run, Wally or Barry, since the character was created. I'm dropping the title. I am worried they are going to do something as drastic as OMD to Wally during this run.
Writer says "sentient" when they probably mean "sapient." Take a shot.
When people ask, "You don't read Flash? Why?". This. This right here. This high concept, time/space centric, outta control fan-boy writer nonsense. Every series just wants to one-up the series before, and it's turned Flash and it's surrounding mythos into post-Flashpoint obsessed crap.
*Remember when the Flash was just a dude who was fast AF? I do.
Did you not fucking read the Jeremy run? It was pure fun. Everything that Flash is meant to be. Even the Williamson run (which I did not care for) was better unlike whatever Si is doing. If you actually read either run you would know this!
@zemox2534 I stated rather clearly, that I DON'T read modern Flash. Your hysterical response is exactly what I've come to expect from Flash fans, further solidifying my decision to NOT read Flash.
@@markherman1211
Admittedly, your rationality does sound rather petty.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 How?
@@markherman1211I am a fan and proud of it. It is not my fault you are a close minded pos who won't even give flash a fucking chance so F you!
Dc always shooting themselves in the foot.
This is the entire publisher story since the first Crisis.
If we use G as in the metric giga prefix (1,000,000,000), then the square root of G to the nearest integer is 31,623. Yes, I'm a math nerd.
Nope. Not metric prefix. Just the letter. Not a labeled variable. Just the actual letter G.
They rebooted the flash AGAIN! I haven’t even finished rebirth yet (nearly finished). Like bruh omgggg.
Ian Flynn was kept the writer after Archie Sonic Comics ended after 24 years, 1992-2016 and he was kept the writer for the soft reboot IDW series. So why not Jeremy Adams for Wally West.
I only bought the flash because Mike Deodato was the artist, but now I'm dropping it after issue 2. There are too many text boxes, and the writing is confusing to me
Oooooooo I am not a fan of all the little panels! My eye is not sure where to go. I do not like the lines, the anatomy is not superhero heroic to me, and I do not know what is going on in the story. I have been collecting flash over the last year or so. I will not be picking up issue 3 due to the story and artwork.
8:25 It's like this writer just learned about Scalar weapons on youtube while being high as a kite one night and woke up thinking he has this new great idea for a comic book. The Flash doesn't have to be a wave like other particles anymore! He can be a straight line! Teleportation!
Some highdeas work out great. Most do not.
Not reading it, but from the bits I've seen and descriptions it sounds like Si read a Critchton book and wanted to do the "smart guy blending scifi and facts" but forgot you need to either do research, be ungodly smart, or both
Been reading the flash since rebirth and sad to see it fall off like this. It sounds convuluted as all hell. I'll definitely be careful as I approach this new run.
I enjoyed the last run so much. I was going to support a WW Flash book no matter what...until this.
12:24 Wally west and nightwing
I was disappointed in issue 1, but 2 was absolute unreadable trash.
Less is more. I would have been happy with a fight with Mirror Master or Reverse-Flash.
Futurama meets Farscape, sit in one place while galaxy moves around you = PSEUDO TELEPORT, anti black hole, problem that .... even basic teleport is overpowered shit but this stuff....
I used to think Si Spurrier was just a Warren Ellis wannabe. But I now realise he's the epitome of the Charles Bukowski quote. "The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence". He's the stupid one who thinks he's smart, just in case that wasn't clear.
Is it like hovering in an aircraft as the Earth rotates? Is that kinda what this "stillness" means?
Its what we've been saying all along about new comics Wes. These writers absolutely HATE continuity and will go out of their ways to deconstruct the characters to fit THEIR world views and their interests. Obviously Si Spurrier is an intellectual who has read too much bad Sci Fi, is upset HE didn't come up with Watchmen and chooses to use some special substances to spark his creative muse. He's from the Alan Moore school of "If the normies dont get it...cool"
What DC(and Marvel) are failing to understand is that right now they have damaged their properties SO badly they need to settle and put out books that feature NORMAL stories. Look at the history of x character or X team, hire a writer and an artist and TELL them "This is the outline of who this character is. Write a story based on THAT". If the writer (in this case Si Spurrier) says "Nah man! I want to write some trippy cosmic acid based story" Tell them where to go and what to do with the acid when they get there.
Since none of the editors have the balls or brains to do this.....I wont be shocked when, in this case, Flash is canceled and "Rebooted" yet again. Its just getting sad. Stories like this one make it hard for me not to just cancel all my comics and spend time reading back issues.
Wally West: I can make the universe be my bitch.
Professor Farnsworth: 🥱
I'd rather read Tini Howard than Spi Spurrier, atleast with Howard I actually understand what the hell is going on even though it's boring.
With Spurrier it's both boring and INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
I agree. This series is too convoluted. Even though I don’t mind Mike’s artwork, Si’s story is pure word salad and isn’t fun at all.
Wish people stopped using the word reboot for every relaunch. Reboot means wiping out the entire history and starting from zero!
It can also apply to starting a book over from issue 1
Awesome work guys
You can always count on DC to mess things up. They wasted Rebirth and Super Sons, neutered characters or made them unrecognizable, hired Toms and other "writers" and now did dirty to Wally West again. It's like they want to fail.
So a horror writer sucks at superheroes? Shocker!
Im so freaking tired of the damn speed force. Flash is so OP and the Speed Force is so uninteresting. Every new Flash writer has to tell some Speed Force story. Its so cliche at this point. The Flash can be so much more than these Speed Force stories.
Honestly at this point I think that DC really does have way too many speedsters and I think they should just go back to basics, where it was just Barry Allen Flash, Zoom, and Jay Garrick.
No I'm not saying this as a negative that I don't like Wally West flash, but ever since they brought him back it seems like they have no idea on how to write him or even him being married with kids.
A hard to follow story is far worse than a lame story, imho.
Thank you Wes and Dok!
That's how Mike's AWA art was also.
I haven't liked Mike's art in nearly 25 years. But I started actively hating it when he turned into a full-time "trace 3D models" artist. At least Greg Land traces actual pictures of people.
@@ScienceJesus Agreed. Deodato's art has been terrible for years. He reminds me of Salvador Larroca. They both started out as really good artists years ago, when they were drawing on paper like normal people. But then they started over-relying on computer models or something (I can't tell exactly), but whatever they're doing, it has ruined their art. It looks awkward and synthetic now.
Mike Deodato can’t draw teeth 😂
I liked Spurrier Legion run. Thought that was fun. Otherwise I can't recall enjoying anything else he's written
I forgot Spurrier was on Legion. I wonder how many issue it is till Wally has a weird hightop fade and talks gibberish...
I'm with you Wes, this is terrible, and I love Wally West, he's my Flash from post crisis Bill Messner-Loebs run, but I can't read this it's just too bad
So Wes this took two issues to figure out this was 💩?
I remember reading the first issue and it was bad, very bad.
I’m glad you caught up .
Good video
I stopped after 1 issue. The art was not my taste and the writing I could tell was going towards incoherent
All this esoteric waffling yet can't answer the question 'so what?'.
This comic is so confusing and have no idea what's going on. Guess I'm just to stupid to give it money, smart DC very smart
That's gotta be a world record. Well, he _is_ The Flash, after all. Might as well fail fast, too.
This is bad, but could be worse… at least he’s not using internet gas. Lol
Please don't give Si Spurrier ideas.
He's the same writer whose current mini at Marvel is about Nightcrawler (Kurt Wagner) pretending to be Spider-Man.
Nothing is off the table in where a character could go with him.
The Flash ran into the Wal and committed suicide... "Suicide". From the Latin Suicidium, "a deliberate killing of oneself."
Is that bounding?
This is why dc and marvel sales are down. Dc stand for detective comics and can't they just make non super hero comics. Damn DC comics is just a joke like marvel and others.
Mangas are the future now.
This comics was written for power scaling weirdos
Yeesh, this somehow surprises me.
Si Spurrier is terrible. Everything he puts his hand to just bores the shit out of me. I've just read the latest annual/supersize issue and I couldn't wait for it to be finished.
I don't read Flash books since Williamson run in Rebirth but this is bad signal that the writers shift can screw with the quality of any book. I'm very afraid that Action Comics will suffer the same fate of Flash book when Phillip Kennedy Johnson leaving the title in next december. DC just can't manage to keep your main heroes away of mediocre writers.
You missed out. The Jeremy run was fun. Something DC hates with a passion
@@zemox2534 Yes i know,but I never was a Flash fan.
Those panels look very bland both story and art wise. Deodato looks quite sub par here by his previous standards, is he being inked by someone?
The only reason why I'm buying this book is because of Mike deodato's artwork (which is wasted on the writing of this series) and I'd prefer to have barry Allen in the title role.
I thought Tom Taylor was supposed to get the flash title 🤔
I’m a fan of Deodato that’s why I gave it a read but yup head hurts 😂
Si Spurrier is terrible, stop giving work to this Grant Morrison wanna be..
He’s nothing like grant Morrison and never has been
Maybe it is time they try something new.
Fire the writers, fire the letters and just sell a comic with "Write your own dialog" theme. Let each reader write their own story, and avoid the pit fall of selling a poor written story that any reader could have written better.
The distribution of the panels is not creative, but pretentious. There is real innovation and fake, ineffective way to do things. Many text boxes when he's in stasis. The art is not very detailed, many times the characters don't even have shadows in the floor and objects like cars or buildings are photoshoped pictures or 3D models. Also, I can't stand in modern comics the lazy copy-paste panels with minor changes.
Well said. Also way too much black/dark tone/grittiness for a title like the Flash. Deodato peaked well over 20 years ago. Computers have ruined much comic art these days.
The art is cool, but that can’t save a series
Whoa harsha haha. I get all the criticism. I was a little more optimistic in my review, mostly because it’s only 2 issues in and trying to see where it goes.
A lot of negative feedback on this series so far. But we will see how it shakes out. I’m gonna give it one arc. (No pun intended) 😉 😂
I like that Wally was about to combine his speed with the Stillness to defeat Grodd. Also, him comforting Linda after she had a nightmare, which is really sweet. Also, knowing about the backstory of the Stillness.
I'm glad I skipped this all together.
I dunno guys I like this book a lot. And the art is amazing.
The art is the only saving grace
The art and writing are excellent
@@TheUnseenFenianHand Spurrier wrote Linda as the opposite of what she is just to create unnecessary drama for Wally
Spot on. Its terrible and maybe even worse, confusing as hell. i wont be getting issue 3 and beyond. Deodato deserves better than this
Perhaps the reason you don't understand the story is that the writer doesn't understand the story.
Si Spurrier in a nutshell.
He has a tendancy of poorly explaining and overcomplicating lore but also of making things happen... Because.
Square root of G 🤣🤣🤣
Futurama?
If this is true then I that is truly tragic. I’ve been a Flash fan since the tv show debut and I picked up the comics monthly from my lcs. I loved Williamson’s run and really loved Adams run as well. I usually give comics comics the 1 arc try then I decide if I’ll drop it. I hope Supurrier doesn’t tarnish what the previous writers left behind toooooo much :((((
I thought it was cool back in an early issue of Alpha Flight when Guardian used his suit to make himself static compared to the earth’s rotation (or whatever) and was immediately shunted hundreds of miles away. That was like 40 years ago.
This is just more boring, navel-gazing, gay cowboys eating pudding garbage from Discount Store Warren Ellis.
I think you weren't harsh enough on the guy ruining Alan Scott. I think you're being too harsh on this.
Yes it looks like they're powering him up ridiculously but apparently they did the same to Mirror Master and Grodd?
What Wally West seems to be doing is just stepping out of spacetime and coming back in. Like the Folded Man or like Void in that Wildstorm/DC crossover with the Justice League and WildC.A.T.S..
And the whole "universe moving around him" thing was done in 1984 by Piers Anthony in the book series "Incarnations of Immortality", #2 "Bearing An Hourglass". This hourglass device enabled fast space travel; it let you ignore the absolute motion of the earth, the sun, the whole galaxy, if you tilted it in a particular direction it would enable that motion in that direction. Everything was moving, the hourglass just let you ignore that you were moving relative to everything too, you got to use the fact the whole universe was moving around you.
Anyway, who cares anymore? They're just gonna reboot this universe in flip-random-number-of-calendar-pages-here.
That guy on Alan Scott wants the attention. The best way to deal with those weirdos is to refuse to give it to them.
@@ScienceJesus yeah but then they'll take any attention they can get. Readers who never even saw the de-aged Alan Scott or understand any of history including Obsidian or Jade or Molly Mayne will feed him scraps he'll use as validation for destroying The Elder Statesman Of DC. It is not enough that we must win, he must *lose*.
No writer should ever try to attempt to write in a similar way.
Akin to Grant Morrison as it is, by definition, impossible to capture this style.
They will only look like an idiot for trying.
This book worsened my depression, but...
DILDO SHAPED HEAD is my band's new name..
Thx Doc..
Curious is the Flash has ever been caught jerkin it? Like seriously..hes the fastest man on the planet. So does he get caught and run real fast or has he perfected the art of completion before detection?
Jeez.. all these new crappy books got my brain all f*cked up huh?