What’s funny is I found this video because watching Trav’s videos he talks so much about 580’s that I had to do some research to find out what he was talking about.
The perfect breakdown of all the gloves on the market, I love it! Well done guys! I'm a huge 590 user, but am slowly being converted to a 580 via a guy that is wearing a very incognito 580 in pro hockey. My next set may just feature a 580 if at all possible.
@@Sup_ya_sieve Unfortunately for me I didn't wait long enough to order my Bauer set. So I currently have a 590 closure on my glove. I will be ordering the Bauer 90 soon to replace my glove though and will definitely try and update. I will say, every time I try on a 580 it feels perfect on my hand.
As someone who works on hundreds of baseball gloves per year, I can add that guys who don't know how a baseball glove should fit will find the 600 easier, but if you are a better gloveman, you will always gravitate to the 580 which simulates a two in the pinkie grip. A good baseball glove closure will NEVER be index to thumb tip....it will be RING/Pinkie to the base of the thumb...which is a 580. I switched to 580 the minute I saw one....I could feel the correct closure. The ability to catch and place a puck/ball down to play it is so much easier without that long "nose" of a 600. The attitude of the glove at rest is, as you so well mentioned, is great for simply cutting off pucks in front of your body, which is quicker than the windmill idea which old 5500 always felt like. I use Montoya pro returns......both 580....
Great video. I actually went 590 to 600 to 580. I don't know that I would ever want to switch away from the 580. I wish Bauer had their 580 clone available to us non-pros.
take it from a 580 truther, once you try it you won't go back. pucks have pretty much completely stopped popping out of my glove when i switched to the 580
This is really good but any mention about the equilivent replacement palms for the Warrior series? Obviously the 90° palm is equilivent to the 580, am I right in thinking the 75° is the 'stock' 590 equilivent and then 60° would be the 600?
For years I've seen these 580/590/600 explainer videos and posts on TGN, etc. describe the 600 break as perfect "if you miss a lot of pucks toward the outer edge of the gloves" or "if you're accustomed to a first baseman's mitt." Is there a specific break that's commonly associated with the baseball catcher's mitt and/or perfect for goalies who suffer a lot of pop-outs from pucks hitting near the bottom of the trapper's break (i.e. on my palm about an inch inside the base of my pinkie/ring finger)? I realize my problem is user error to a large extent, but after 20+ years of B-level rec league hockey I don't think my timing is gonna improve that much more. I'm looking for a glove that gives me a bit of an edge the same way you described the 600 as helpful for people who miss pucks high and away. For reference, my gloves/breaks over the past 20 years have included a Brian's Outlaw, Vaughn Epic 8800, Vaughn V7XF, Vaughn 9500, CCM PII 590, CCM EF4 600, and most recently a pro return Vaughn VE8. Based on this video, I suspect NONE of these is like a 580, so maybe that's the one I need to try? Thanks in advance and congrats if you read this far.
I tried emailing you guys this question but I'm looking to identify the break of an Agatone Signature Series 210 as well what modern glove would be closest in feel to it. Great series!
I loved the 580 and i thought i would never switch out until i got my hands on a sergei bobrovsky glove which is like a 580 with some properties of 590 and it opens really wide.
Great vid! My issue is I have small hands and wear an intermediate glove and customization in intermediate lines is rare. I’m 2 weeks into an intermediate Eflex 5.9 and nothing but pop outs. Coming from an intermediate Eflex 500 with a skate lace pocket. I assume both are 600 breaks? Prior to the Eflex I came from an intermediate RBK 8K glove that was probably my favorite glove I’ve ever used.
Ok so what would be the closest to an early 2000s TPS XHale glove? I have upgraded all my gear but gloves because I can't find one that feels the same or that I really like.
Not from the major manufacturers but if you flip through the comments here you'll see some smaller brands that others suggest have made a version of the 580; however, we have no experience with them and can't speak to how well that have copied this break.
What would a Brian's Subzero 3 Pro most closely resemble today? I upgraded to a Hyperlite and am having some popouts and am curious if the break is part of that or not.
I know this is a year later, but I find that all the Brian's 40 degree breaks (SZ3 included) are closest to the 590 as far as hand closure is concerned, but you need to adjust your hand position a bit less fingers up to match it in "regular 590s"
@@InGoalMedia not exactly how true this is. I Orig had the XP coming from a CCM 60 degree (590) and made the swap to the V9 Pro 2 piece cuff and it actually feels the same…..
I would have to disagree. I think you have Brian's gloves flipped. I feel like the optik 2 is more of a 600 break and the gnetik5 closer to a 590 break. I've use a 590 glove since 2003/04 and I'd say the gnetik5 was a easier transition
Well that was our experience but there' no doubt personal preference and how you wear the glove can make a difference in how you feel things. We didn't get into it in the video but even the thickness of the glove - pro palm vs game ready for example - has changed things for us. In the end - just hope you have found a glove that you love!
Do the break angles have any relation to how easy a glove is to break in? I have a pair of Reebok Premier XLT 24s (glove and blocker) that was very difficult to break in. It probably is a 600 break, because I have to turn my index finger up and thumb out to get my glove to project forward.
I would say that the 580 is the easiest for me to close as it’s a mechanically stronger angle for your hand closure. You’re pulling all your fingers straight to your palm which is how the human hand is designed to close.
I haven't purchased a glove in a while. What break would you consider the old Vaughn v4 pancake kipper spec and is there something close to that on the market now? V4 pro was the easiest glove for me when playing the puck!!
I'm not sure Cam is as old as a V4 ;) but he says so much has changed since then you really need to try everything on and see what works for you...sorry!
Excellent question. Not sure about the break, though thinking about leverage perhaps 600 not as good for weaker hand (fingers to thumb tip is not a strong as fingers to palm). You can order intermediate palm size on a senior glove which one of us (Hutch) has done.
@@InGoalMedia I’m guessing also only available for Pro Level, not mid-point? I’m a Bauer guy…love my 3S gear but have always been curious to try the 580 break.
ugh - you are right - must be sitting on the cutting room floor accidentally. But the short answer is it's unique to CCM and True with a Bauer version there for pros only.
@@InGoalMedia I wanted to expand on this. I know Warrior offers the G6 in 60/75/90 breaks so along with picking the 6.1 with the longer catching shape which break should I chose to get closest to a 580?
A lot of good info but then you don't list what companies/models are a 580! That's the info I'm looking for also, my son wants a 580 glove and I'm having issues finding what exactly my options are
Ugh....looks like it hit the cutting room floor by accident - but the answer is - 580 is unique to CCM/True and Bauer makes a version but only for Pros. Sorry about that!
You can find 580/90 degree break angle gloves made by: CCM, True/Lefevre, Kenesky, Simmons, Miklin, and Passau. JRZ *might* be working on a version as well.
This past season it was impossible to find a glove with a 580 break for my son. Even went to far as to contact a shop in Japan with no luck. We were lucky and found a pro return online and my son LOVES it. My question is, with the 580 break becoming more popular, do you anticipate a better available supply for next season?
Well I think the supply issues were more related to the supply chain problems all companies are facing - but for sure CCM has taken note of the popularity of the 580.
Best gloves for a small hand? 7.5 inches from tip of fingers to base of palm. Obviously there is the custom option of an intermediate palm, but thats likely out of my budget. @ingoalmedia
Curtis, you may be in luck: Cam says he has Brian's GNETik 5 senior gloves with an intermediate palm on the wall right now at the Hockey Shop, so no custom order, wait time or higher pricing required!
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This was unbelievably helpful considering the break angles aren’t exactly obvious / advertised very clearly. Thank you
Really solid video. Heavily enjoyed. 580 for life
Thanks Trav, much appreciated!
What’s funny is I found this video because watching Trav’s videos he talks so much about 580’s that I had to do some research to find out what he was talking about.
Haha totally agree Trav 580 for life 🤙
We can tell😂
The perfect breakdown of all the gloves on the market, I love it! Well done guys! I'm a huge 590 user, but am slowly being converted to a 580 via a guy that is wearing a very incognito 580 in pro hockey. My next set may just feature a 580 if at all possible.
Well now you have us thinking.... hope you get a chance to give it a try.
@@InGoalMedia Tried the glove out just the other day and it was fabulous. No matter what company I go with next, 580 will be a must I think
@@GoalCreaseGuardianhow’s the transition been? I’m currently using warrior g6, but thinking about making the blind leap to the 580
@@Sup_ya_sieve Unfortunately for me I didn't wait long enough to order my Bauer set. So I currently have a 590 closure on my glove. I will be ordering the Bauer 90 soon to replace my glove though and will definitely try and update. I will say, every time I try on a 580 it feels perfect on my hand.
As someone who works on hundreds of baseball gloves per year, I can add that guys who don't know how a baseball glove should fit will find the 600 easier, but if you are a better gloveman, you will always gravitate to the 580 which simulates a two in the pinkie grip. A good baseball glove closure will NEVER be index to thumb tip....it will be RING/Pinkie to the base of the thumb...which is a 580. I switched to 580 the minute I saw one....I could feel the correct closure. The ability to catch and place a puck/ball down to play it is so much easier without that long "nose" of a 600.
The attitude of the glove at rest is, as you so well mentioned, is great for simply cutting off pucks in front of your body, which is quicker than the windmill idea which old 5500 always felt like.
I use Montoya pro returns......both 580....
Great video. I actually went 590 to 600 to 580. I don't know that I would ever want to switch away from the 580. I wish Bauer had their 580 clone available to us non-pros.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for sharing - you are not alone in that wish!
ive tried a james reimer and a jamie phillips pro return bauer 580 the closure is perfect
This is awesome, thanks guys. Feeling very confident about switching from the CCM 600 (eflex 5) to the CCM 580 (eflex 5) this year. 🙂
Gentlemen... this was very informative. I will definitely try out the 580 when I'm in the goalie store next time. Cheers.
take it from a 580 truther, once you try it you won't go back. pucks have pretty much completely stopped popping out of my glove when i switched to the 580
The 580 crew is definitely strong and loyal!
Great job guys. I still come across videos where this is getting mixed up. We need a 580 break in a junior size.
We do!! Thankfully our junior has grown up - and he's a passionate 580 goalie.
This is really good but any mention about the equilivent replacement palms for the Warrior series? Obviously the 90° palm is equilivent to the 580, am I right in thinking the 75° is the 'stock' 590 equilivent and then 60° would be the 600?
For years I've seen these 580/590/600 explainer videos and posts on TGN, etc. describe the 600 break as perfect "if you miss a lot of pucks toward the outer edge of the gloves" or "if you're accustomed to a first baseman's mitt." Is there a specific break that's commonly associated with the baseball catcher's mitt and/or perfect for goalies who suffer a lot of pop-outs from pucks hitting near the bottom of the trapper's break (i.e. on my palm about an inch inside the base of my pinkie/ring finger)? I realize my problem is user error to a large extent, but after 20+ years of B-level rec league hockey I don't think my timing is gonna improve that much more. I'm looking for a glove that gives me a bit of an edge the same way you described the 600 as helpful for people who miss pucks high and away.
For reference, my gloves/breaks over the past 20 years have included a Brian's Outlaw, Vaughn Epic 8800, Vaughn V7XF, Vaughn 9500, CCM PII 590, CCM EF4 600, and most recently a pro return Vaughn VE8. Based on this video, I suspect NONE of these is like a 580, so maybe that's the one I need to try? Thanks in advance and congrats if you read this far.
Did you make the switch. Having the same issue. Lot of pop outs from hitting low glove. Thinking about switching to 580
Great video guys, tons of information and I absolutely love the comparable. Thank you.
Thanks so much STPG !
Thanks guys, very clear information.👍👍
This is so good the only thing I would ask for is a comparison chart that you could print and bring with you when evaluating gloves at the store!
I tried emailing you guys this question but I'm looking to identify the break of an Agatone Signature Series 210 as well what modern glove would be closest in feel to it. Great series!
working on it!
I loved the 580 and i thought i would never switch out until i got my hands on a sergei bobrovsky glove which is like a 580 with some properties of 590 and it opens really wide.
Interesting! We've certainly met a number of pros who have had small modifications to their gloves that can change things.
😎👍Great tutorial guys! Very valuable information on the different types of gloves.
Thanks Matthew.
Great vid! My issue is I have small hands and wear an intermediate glove and customization in intermediate lines is rare. I’m 2 weeks into an intermediate Eflex 5.9 and nothing but pop outs. Coming from an intermediate Eflex 500 with a skate lace pocket. I assume both are 600 breaks? Prior to the Eflex I came from an intermediate RBK 8K glove that was probably my favorite glove I’ve ever used.
Thanks for all the details and info gents! Out of curiosity, does any other manufacturers make a 580 type closure or is it just CCM and True?
Correct, although Bauer does have a pro-only custom option.
Now warrior has a stick 580 in the g6.1
Sherwood used to make 90 degree glove if i'm not mistaken
Ok so what would be the closest to an early 2000s TPS XHale glove? I have upgraded all my gear but gloves because I can't find one that feels the same or that I really like.
580 gives you that windmill snap glove save. 580 all day!
Great video is there no other alternatives aside from true/ccm that make a 580?
Not from the major manufacturers but if you flip through the comments here you'll see some smaller brands that others suggest have made a version of the 580; however, we have no experience with them and can't speak to how well that have copied this break.
I have a Vaughn VE8 pro carbon. I feel it’s maybe a 590? Also which glove is best for launching pucks?
590 probably best form our testers opinions...followed by 580.
What would a Brian's Subzero 3 Pro most closely resemble today? I upgraded to a Hyperlite and am having some popouts and am curious if the break is part of that or not.
I know this is a year later, but I find that all the Brian's 40 degree breaks (SZ3 included) are closest to the 590 as far as hand closure is concerned, but you need to adjust your hand position a bit less fingers up to match it in "regular 590s"
What about the Bauer 2x catcher?
What break angle is the Vaughn V9, V9xp, and Ventus?
V9 and SLR - 600, V9XP is 590
@@InGoalMedia not exactly how true this is. I Orig had the XP coming from a CCM 60 degree (590) and made the swap to the V9 Pro 2 piece cuff and it actually feels the same…..
I would have to disagree. I think you have Brian's gloves flipped. I feel like the optik 2 is more of a 600 break and the gnetik5 closer to a 590 break. I've use a 590 glove since 2003/04 and I'd say the gnetik5 was a easier transition
Well that was our experience but there' no doubt personal preference and how you wear the glove can make a difference in how you feel things. We didn't get into it in the video but even the thickness of the glove - pro palm vs game ready for example - has changed things for us. In the end - just hope you have found a glove that you love!
Same experience here: my Gnetik V glove definitely does not close finger to thumb, but my former Optik 1 glove did.
Arent warrior gloves more of a 600 break ? My ccm 590 feels completely different then my warrior glove I had earlier
I’m in a gt2 glove, what would you say the closest angle to that is, I always thought it was a 600 style but the g5 is a 590?
Cam says: "Yes, GT2 would be closer to a 600 than anything else "
Great video
Do the break angles have any relation to how easy a glove is to break in? I have a pair of Reebok Premier XLT 24s (glove and blocker) that was very difficult to break in. It probably is a 600 break, because I have to turn my index finger up and thumb out to get my glove to project forward.
Good question...we haven't noticed a difference in terms of break in - but it's something we'll think about more in the future!
I would say that the 580 is the easiest for me to close as it’s a mechanically stronger angle for your hand closure. You’re pulling all your fingers straight to your palm which is how the human hand is designed to close.
I haven't purchased a glove in a while. What break would you consider the old Vaughn v4 pancake kipper spec and is there something close to that on the market now? V4 pro was the easiest glove for me when playing the puck!!
I’m no pro but if your using Vaughn glove tbh I’d stay with Vaughn for glove Vaughn is special with the breaks
I'm not sure Cam is as old as a V4 ;) but he says so much has changed since then you really need to try everything on and see what works for you...sorry!
Please tell me what is the angle of the trap CCM EXTREME FLEX 500?
the stock break on EFlex is the 600.
Which do you recommend for a smaller hand and weaker hand strength?
Excellent question. Not sure about the break, though thinking about leverage perhaps 600 not as good for weaker hand (fingers to thumb tip is not a strong as fingers to palm). You can order intermediate palm size on a senior glove which one of us (Hutch) has done.
what gloves from other brands use a 580 break?
True, and just now Warrior have 580 breaks, that's it.
So is CCM the only company that stocks a 580 glove?
True also....and Warrior has a 580-like version since this was filmed. Roughly 10:33 mark of this video: ruclips.net/video/3DnLVx5XS2Y/видео.html
So other manufacturers that have 580 breaks outside of CCM or True?
It's unique to CCM and True, with the exception of Bauer making a custom 580 style break for pros only.
@@InGoalMedia I’m guessing also only available for Pro Level, not mid-point? I’m a Bauer guy…love my 3S gear but have always been curious to try the 580 break.
@@jonmorris6793 that's correct - mid-price point gloves come with the stock breaks.
So no other brands make a similar 580 ?
At hte time of filming this..no. Check out the Warrior Glove episode though as they now have a 580-like glove.
@@InGoalMedia can't seem to find the vdo
Wait you forgot to say if there are any other companies that have the 580 grip. Great video though.
Was just coming to say this.
@@ljhartigan1628 I thought we said it's unique and there aren't comparables, no? Now I'll have to go watch again :)
ugh - you are right - must be sitting on the cutting room floor accidentally. But the short answer is it's unique to CCM and True with a Bauer version there for pros only.
@@InGoalMedia Is this still the case in 2024?
What is the best stock option that is as similar to a 580 as possible?
the new Warrior g6.1 will be the best way to go if you want stock.
@@InGoalMedia I’m in an junior/intermediate size and I should’ve specified that that’s my fault but what would be the most similar break?
@@InGoalMedia I wanted to expand on this. I know Warrior offers the G6 in 60/75/90 breaks so along with picking the 6.1 with the longer catching shape which break should I chose to get closest to a 580?
A lot of good info but then you don't list what companies/models are a 580! That's the info I'm looking for also, my son wants a 580 glove and I'm having issues finding what exactly my options are
Ugh....looks like it hit the cutting room floor by accident - but the answer is - 580 is unique to CCM/True and Bauer makes a version but only for Pros. Sorry about that!
You can find 580/90 degree break angle gloves made by: CCM, True/Lefevre, Kenesky, Simmons, Miklin, and Passau. JRZ *might* be working on a version as well.
Which brand similer to the 580
CCM and True have them....and now Warrior's new G6.1 which is quite similar.
CCM Axis 2 has a 591?
Can't say a lot right now but the glove will have some changes to it. We're excited to try it for sure.
This past season it was impossible to find a glove with a 580 break for my son. Even went to far as to contact a shop in Japan with no luck. We were lucky and found a pro return online and my son LOVES it. My question is, with the 580 break becoming more popular, do you anticipate a better available supply for next season?
Well I think the supply issues were more related to the supply chain problems all companies are facing - but for sure CCM has taken note of the popularity of the 580.
Do you still have that 580?
YES! on the web site hockeyshop.com or call Cam! 1-800-567-7790
Can you re shoot this whole video with no masks please.
Best gloves for a small hand? 7.5 inches from tip of fingers to base of palm. Obviously there is the custom option of an intermediate palm, but thats likely out of my budget. @ingoalmedia
Curtis, you may be in luck: Cam says he has Brian's GNETik 5 senior gloves with an intermediate palm on the wall right now at the Hockey Shop, so no custom order, wait time or higher pricing required!