Elac Debut Reference DBR-62 Bookshelf Speaker Review!!! (reference sound at a budget)
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Reviewed Today: Elac Debut Reference DBR62 Bookeshelf Speakers
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Preamp & Power Amplifier & Integrated amps used:
Kinki Studio EX-P7: www.kinki-stud...
Kinki Studio EX-B7 monoblocks: www.kinki-stud...
IotaVX SA-3: www.iotaenterp...
Source: Bluesound Node 2i
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(all music is hi-res streamed from TIdal)
RCA Cables: Analysis Plus Oval One
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Speaker Cables: Blue Jean 10 White
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Subwoofers:
Emotiva SE12: emotiva.com/co...
REL HT1205: rel.net/shop/p...
SVS SB3000: www.svsound.co...
Your results may vary based on your ears, room, and associated equipment:
If only you live next door, you could take everything I have and review it.😁 Actually, you can just review it for me .
I'm gonna start opening my videos with "hey what's up guys it's Thomas!" :D
My Elac DBR62 Reference speakers after two years breaking in, play down to 34.16 htz, best I could measure. I can feel the bass at 28 htz. The amp is class D with tube preamp, about 60 wpc clean power, 100 wpc max into 4 ohm. No sub on my system. Shakes the couch with out one, so Elac got clear, deep bass right. Being older I only hear to maybe 15khz, but still know what a real cymbal sounds like. Elacs sound real to me. Some power with tubes helps all speakers. I like the dark version. I like the sound more. Thanks for the review.
wow, you must have really awesome room gain!
Is DBR62 assembled in China
I demoed them with a JCValvular hybrid tube amplifier, amazing bass response
@@NemoPropaganda Yes a very good setup. Even had to pad some cabinets in next room... Buzz sometimes. The speakers and screen are at 30 degrees out from the front wall. Listening area is parallel to that. Speakers are angled up, cross streamed, aimed at angled walls. Reducing standing waves propagates bass very well, apparently! Great surround effects with just two speakers.
@@user-ww4ek3lk7i Yes. Like many other products. QC is key. But I avoid cheap Chinese tubes...
***Clarifications***
When I said these sound good on budget gear keep in mind "budget gear" to me is still an amp with a quality transformer and output section like the Emotiva TA1 or Emotiva PA paired with their A2 power amp. Ultra budget amps like the Yamaha RS202 with 40hz-20khz wattage ratings will not be ideal for this speaker.
Man… It’s really cool when you review a speaker you really love! Your voice inflection changes, (joyful), bigger smiles, and kinda excited to tell us what you felt and heard. Honestly, before watching this review, my “preliminary” and inexperienced opinion of this speaker was that it was not for me. But the way you described 1) it’s universal compatibility; and 2) your very specific and careful description of the top end detail, (unwillingness to characterize as “smooth” treble), truly made me stop and rethink. Great review bro. 💪🏽🔥🎶
don't read too much into that, sometimes it's just my mood :) I actually recently acquired another pair of these and will be posting an update review soon.
@@NemoPropaganda I hear you! Kinda like picking a jury. No matter how hard I try, (looking for clues), many times it’s really a coin flip. Still, it’s cool to see a happy Nemo!
love your brutal honesty, and you said it with a lot of charm, not offensive at all. Good review, crisp and right info, and concise!
I'm glad you got in a pair of Elac's, based on your preferences in other videos I thought you'd be happy with their overall sound signature. I find in general they do mid-range very well, as you've said. I've been enjoying my B6.2's for quite some time now - and since adding the SVS SB-1000 it's just really a great sounding setup. As another commenter has mentioned, I think you should try to audition a pair of the new Elac UB52's, might be interesting. Great review man.
Hey Brydon, i might check them out, do they still have that green looking cone? Honestly that's what's kept me away from elac until now lol
@@NemoPropaganda I think they definitely fixed that with the UB52 lol. That weird green was like some mistake in the material of the cone or something I remember reading, they didn't all have that thankfully.
@@brydon10 oh thank god!! I do find it weird that they have 2 different lines with $599 bookshelf speakers, I'd e curious to hear the two side by side.
@@NemoPropaganda comparison would be great👍👍👍
@@NemoPropaganda So the thing is the DBR62 is CAD $699 and the UB52 is $799. I have heard some prefer the DBR62 over the Unifi. Amir at AudioScienceReview is very picky. He measured the DBR62, and subjectively listened to them. He loved them. So you might just have the better speaker already. Amir says this: "The ELAC DBR-62 objectively and subjectively meets and exceeds my expectations. It is "Andrew Jones" as I expected but had been missing up to now. It is "high-end" sound on a budget with little to apologize for. I was sad to stop listening to it to type this review! It is that good." If you ever do try the UB52 it would be an interesting comparison.
Bought these for my daughter, of course I had to try them out. They sounded excellent; I was very impressed. Defiantly need a sub in any decent size room though. I bought her a $200 SMSL A300 integrated to run them. She can upgrade the back end at her discretion. The thing actually sounds really nice, lots of power and driver control, plus it has a dac so she can run it off her computer. Anyway, back to the speakers. I got her the white ones. I think they got a lot wrapped up in box build and woofers (they are cast which is nice to see). The wrap isn't beautiful but seams resilient and the face is really nice. I usually don't like white speakers and such, too Ikea looking. Andrew Jones said in a video about these that the tweeter screen is designed that way for acoustic reasons. I'm not sure if it was to act as a wave guide or just designed to not interfere with the tweeter. I didn't take them off to see if they got brighter without them. I got them for $450 open box, they were in perfect shape. I would recommend. The only complaint I have is I was kind of lead to believe they were made in Germany, everything I saw kind of hinted at it, especially the price tag. But no, China. Not a huge deal, either way not made in USA. To be fair I didn't look into it that deeply. I still love them and would recommend them in a heartbeat. Especially for a smaller living room or bedroom size setup.
excellent choice, the finish on the white pair is superior to the walnut!!
I have a pair of these and the matching center channel. I am very happy with them. Great for music in 2 channel and just as good for movies in surround mode. I pair them with a SVS SB2000 sub. I haven’t seen the black walnut but the white oak doesn’t look too cheap.
I'm jealous, I wish I had the white oak, it looks so much better!! Sound like you have a fantastic setup!
Good review. Honestly though. I didn't like them. I sent them back, and was happy to pay $65 shipping to do so too. No drive with rock and roll. My 5 inch Wharfedale Denton 80th Anniversary speakers have better bass, better drive, and play louder. Unfortunately they don't play good at low level, and need more on the top. But so don't these IMHO. And like you. I wasn't a big fan of the mid bass bump on these either. Some speakers I don't mind it. These I did.
But really in the end. What it was that did them in the most was their lack of musicality, and fun factor. They just bored me to death. I replaced them with a pair of used Buchardt S300 MKII SE's ($700 w/ stands), and was going to do a comparison before I sent them back, but after a couple of weeks with the Buchardts. There was nothing to compare. And they just went back.
Now I know the Buchardts are more expensive, but I own over a dozen pairs of speakers, and there's only maybe four, or five pair that I would put aside for these. The Wharfedales are way better IMHO. And they're less money. As are multiple pairs of under $200 (and some even under $50) vintage speakers I own. My ADS L520, KLH Model Thirty Three, N.E.A.R. 15M, large Advent 5012, Canton Quinto 540, Klipsch RF3, and even my Pinnacle PN8+/Cerwin Vega VS-150's are all more toe tappers. And all would be kept over the Elacs. I just didn't want to listen to my system with them. And I tried many hardware combinations too. Nothing helped. And yes I broke them in. Played them for weeks on end.
I will say though. That's my opinion, and if you like them. I sincerely hope you enjoy the heck out of them. Everything you said is true. They are technically amazing. Just don't do it for me subjectively.
But do yourself a huge favor, and get the white. It was the only reason I didn't want to send them back. They're GORGEOUS!!!
BTW I got them from Music Direct for $510 all in. They were open box. And they come up very often. There wasn't a mark on mine at all, and you couldn't tell they weren't brand new at all.
Thanks for another great review my man. And thanks to the gentleman who loaned them to you also. That was very nice of him. Wish I lived near you. I would loan you the Wharfedale, and the Buchardts to review. It would be interesting to hear your take on them. ✌️
Hey Scott, I've been wondering lately if some of us experience that "toe tapping" differently. Like for me this totally gave me that but other people say these don't have any "flavor". Maybe our brains just pick up on some of the other metrics more and some less. Like maybe my brain focuses more on imaging/staging and someone else's brain might naturally focus more on tonality and transients. One day i think science will help us understand this sort of thing better but for now all i can do is guess :) I was seriously surprised that i loved these so much as most of the reviewers seemed to think they were technically excellent but missing the musicality a touch.
Did you burn in the elacs? After one year of playing music with a TUBE amp, my elacs test good to 35 htz. Sonic test. Tubes make a big difference in speaker sound. I do not use a sub. No need if u have the tube amp.
@@peterbaugh51 I answered your first question in my post. As for the rest. I wouldn't even know where to begin. So I'll just say this. Nothing in audio is just that simple, NOTHING!
Oh, and that by giving your opinions as facts. You're contributing to the massive misinformation problem in our modern world. So please, please, be conscious of this in the future. And explain to others that these are just your opinions. A newbie won't know the difference, unless it's pointed out to them. And would think these are facts. When they certainly are not facts.
Sorry for the lecture, and I'm very happy that you're happy with your system. But I'm hyper sensitive to misinformation these days. As we all should be, really. Have a great day. And enjoy the music.✌️
How is the dynamic range on these, I see some people commenting on the internet that they are not the most dynamic, especially for home theater use?
while I do use my stereo for movies & games also I generally keep the volume pretty low so I couldn't tell you how these would perform in a theater at reference levels but I would not be surprised if they started to fall apart a bit. They're harder to drive cheap drivers in a really nice cabinet so they need a lot of power to play loud but can't handle too much power either so not really ideal for a theater setting IMO. It's a fine speaker for music don't get me wrong, music rarely has the peaks that theater does but I feel like at this point the DBR62 has been dethroned by better speakers around the same price like Heco Aurora 300 though some may feel that's too dark up top for theater use.
you don't like tactile bass? like, how do you even review audio for people, when a vast majority understand "bass" as tactile feeling? not a dis, just kinda don't understand
You don't understand how my personal taste is an entirely separate topic and independent of my ability to explain what something sounds like? Man, your mind is gonna be blown when you find out line cooks & chefs generally don't like most of the food they make....
Great review! I have mine paired with an Adcom GFA-5500 and the midrange especially is fantastic. I would like to add a subwoofer though, what would be a good pairing in the current market?
I found the DBR62 to be very flexible with subwoofer matching, any good subwoofer should be a great fit, SVS SB1000 Pro, Emotiva SE8, REL 1003 MK2, Rythmik L12, etc...
@@NemoPropaganda thanks man! If I wanted to move up to something more high end down the road, what bookshelf would you recommend that has a similar slightly laid back sound signature?
@@ajr91987 buchardt S400 mk2 :)
@@ajr91987 Hi, I have the adcom GFA 555mk2 , would the dbr62 be a good match? Do they have good base ? Thanks
I am sure these are very good. But at this price point the Unifi UB52, the triangle BRO3, or the Tekton mini lore would get my attention first. The reviews on those resonate with my listening preferences better.
I totally agree with you on tuning out bloat around 60hz!
Hey Matt, i was so close to ordering a Lore but they're just so DIY looking i can't bring myself to spend the money. I get what you're saying though. My room naturally has a 3db drop around 52-68hz so I'm really happy about that.
I have these and I really like them and agree with much of what you said - I think we have similar taste when it comes to overall sound signature (although I honestly kind of like the mid-bass bloat, but for now I'm in an apt. and don't want to add a sub, so it adds a little fullness). Question for you - I see you are also a fan and long-time owner of some Buchardt S400s. I get that these two don't really compete price-wise, but for some reason (marketing? hype?) I'm really curious about the Buchardts. Aside from the improved bass extension of the S400s, do you find them to be a drastic or notable improvement in other metrics over the Elacs? If you were happy with the Elacs would you pony up the extra $$ for the Buchardts??
mmmm, I think going from DBR62 to elac would be disappointing for some people. The Elac has a more well defined mid bass region and a more flushed out and textured midrange. Those are two characteristics I find myself missing a bit when I switched back to the S400. However the S400 has loads more extension, a much fuller sound overall, and a much more refined top end and sound overall. I think for anyone who likes the DBR62 they should just keep it and not look at any other speaker lol, your only upgrade should be amplifiers as they need a good bit of power.
@@NemoPropaganda Appreciate the insight!
have you auditioned Kef Q350? what your opinion compare this Elac DBR62? I need advice before decide to buy one, thanks
No I have not, sorry.
Hi, thanks for reviewing these! Sounds like we have similar listening preferences.
I'm building a portable system to listen outside on our deck. 80 w class D amp and
Volumes less than 80db at 10 feet. The DBR62 so far seems like a good pick. But no sub!
I don't want to set up a sub outside.... So what do you like with a better low end but
Great imaging at lower volumes?
Hey kit bike! This is an easy one! Monitor Audio Bronze 100 and they can be found new on ebay for $450. Do keep in mind being outside you might have awful bass no batter what you do and the class D amp will lean out the elac and MA Bronze speakers a bit, try to get one with tone controls so you can boost the bass if needed. Honestly though have you considered the Sonos Move, you'll give up imagine but the convenience and SQ overall are fairly good.
@@NemoPropaganda thanks so much! I'll do some digging. I've got a few BT speakers. Even the B&O 15 , but they don't do it for me. I set up like having a mini concert. To dip my toes into this I bought a set of Neumi B5 powered speakers and did the mods recommended by Erin over at ASR. It's astounding what 130 bucks buys if your careful. I'm Feeding it with a little Hiby R3 pro. Having so much fun that we want to try and go next level with this. Have a SMSL DA9 on the way. Small, light, and hopefully enough to make some magic. I'll check out the Bronzes... Thanks!
@@Hikebike365 Anytime man!! Don't forget about the Arylic A50, it's a great little amp with a built in streamer so could be perfect for outdoor use!
@@NemoPropaganda So after watching your video on these, and others, you have a lot of reservations about them for music. Great bottom but weak and annoying elsewhere is the sense I'm getting......
Wondering why you think they d be better than the DBR62s for me? Almost Everyone seems to love the Elacs
@@Hikebike365 mmmm, my review was based on the MSRP of $600, for the $450 they sell on ebay for my assessment would have been different since price is a big factor on how harshly I judge a product. Also I didn't say these were better, you just asked what I also liked that had a stronger low end :). I like both and while the Elac sounds better the Bronze 100 can be eq'd to have much stronger bass and being cheaper is better for out doors in case they get ruined. But! Perhaps the front port of the elac may make them have better bass out doors, I'm honestly not sure.
Sir if you would be ask to choose between Emotiva B1+(i think you also like this speakers very much) and Elac DBR62 which one would you choose? I already have a B&W 607 which i think is not the best match/pair for Marantz PM 5005, it sound brighter. Now, I am planning either to change my amplifier with a neutral sounding one or maybe buy a new affordable speaker that's not bright as B&W 607. Emotiva or ELAC? or maybe you can give me a sort of advice of what to do. Thanks, Will be grateful yo hear from you
Hi Danny, so that's a tough one because the Elac is 2.6 times the price of the Emotiva. Yes the Elac is better and i like it more. The emotiva is brighter, more edgy in the top end and perhaps not the best match for your marantz as it sounds like you will not enjoy such a bright sound.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you so much sir for a very fast reply. I will go for Elac DBR62. Buying a new Speaker that would fit my listening preference would be less expensive than buying a new amplifier.
more power sir. God blesd
Another good video.
I like that you used it with 2 different amps, at different volume levels, and with and without a sub.
Whenever I see a review like this, I wonder how the $600 speakers on $200 stands and a $400 subwoofer would compare to a $1200 pair of floorstanders.
Hey Russel, It depends on the floor standers in question and subwoofer. $400 subwoofers aren't the quickest usually so the $1200 floor stander might sound better to someone who likes speed. But if the person prefers bass quantity they may prefer the book/sub setup more. There are some faster $400 subwoofers but then they don't have a lot of low end extension, then again neither do $1200 towers. It's a hard question to answer at the end of the day and i think it could go either way depending on the person :)
Which one you prefer ?? vs focal 806 . If listening to norah jones. Jazz pop / female vocal
Vocals? DBR62 for sure.
@@NemoPropaganda Thank you for your answer. DBR62 has a sweet and smooth vocal ??
@@Gabbieblues mmm, I don't personally interpret sound as sweet but the midrange of the DBR62 is textured in a way I have not heard at this price. It's not a massive difference but it is noticeable compared to Chora and even more expensive speakers. It's like there is a bit more life in that region.
May you tell me about to change a pair of Bowers and wilkins 601s2 for these speakers?
I have not heard those.
what stands are you using for the elacs?
Skylan SP27 on the left one.
Thanks for the warning about the walnut finish. Do you think the DBR62 speakers give as much bang for the buck as the Emotiva Airmotiv B1 at $229 per pair? If I bought either, I would cross them over at 150Hz with an active 12 dB octave electronic crossover to two stereo subwoofers, so a 60 Hz bump would not be a problem for me. The Emotiva speakers would save a lot of money, but would I like the top end and imaging in that set up?
The Emotiva is a great buy at $229 and i still love them! The Emotiva will be less fussy with other components where as to get the most out of the Elac you want at minimum quality power like Emotiva or IotaVX amps. The Emotiva Image very well also but the Elac has better driver integration and refinement but that comes at 2.6 times the price. Cheaper products will almost always have a higher value proposition so it's hard to compare the two from a perspective of value. If money is tight grab the emotivas. They're really good!
@@NemoPropaganda Thanks. That helps.
How would you compare these with the Focal Chora 806? Thanks!
At $990 for the Chora 806 it's important to remember it is 50% more expensive than the Elac but with that said the Elac will have a tonally richer and more pronounced midrange, stronger midbass focus and tighter lower bass punch. The Chora 806 will have much more detail on the top end with a much more open and airy presentation with a touch more refinement. While the elac needs some power the chora is very easy to drive. While both are a touch on the forward side of neutral the extra detail of the Chora may give the illusion that it is brighter but I feel the two are about even in terms of their forward nature. At the end of the day both speakers are fantastic but they have different flavors. The Elac is the warmer of the two and the Focal is the more analytical of the two. I enjoy both of them very much but one last thing. I would suggest the Chora for lower volume listeners (65-75db) that like an open sound and the Elac for listeners who have some power and listen louder (85+db).
Interesting review. What I find fascinating as well as puzzling is what happened to the bass in the B6.2 and, evidently, in the Reference line? I have some B6.2 and most say the Reference is a somewhat upgraded version of that sound signature that tilts it back to a warmer presentation. Which is good, because I do not find the 6.2s to be warm. I also find the 6.2 bass adequate, but nothing to write home about. However, I recently picked up the original B6 and holy cow, the BASS! The bass, the bass, it's all about the bass? What!!! OK, the bass isn't that audiophile bass that is wrapped so tight it can't take a dump, lol. A bass that is so clinical that you just want to add the SUB immediately and start CRANKING it! Audiophile bass is somewhat laughable, IMO. You don't want to use a SUB? Get yourself some Debut B6s and stand back. OK, the highs are not as prominent or detailed as its successors, BUT, oh the BASS! See what I mean. I haven't heard ONE reviewer say OH THE BASS about either the B6.2s or the Reference model. So what's up with that? Can't make an audiophile bookie with bass kick. Gotta give that up to sound audiophile, lol. Someone give me a beer! Did I mention the BASS? This bookshelf puts out usable bass in the mid 30hz zone! WHAT! How is that even possible? I guess it's not because if you want to CLEAN IT UP you have to LOSE IT!
ahahaha, long but funny read... So the DBR62 has excellent bass, just the quantity is low. If you give a booky tons of ass it generally will muck up the midrange and top end. Getting it to have a ton of bass without those downsides cost dollars unfortunately :(. The Reference is one of my favs though!
I've listened to all three pretty extensively - the B6, B6.2 and I now have the Reference. My Dad bought the B6 on a wim years back and when I heard it I couldn't believe that it had more bass than my 8" powered Yamaha monitors. Fast forward a year or two, and I bought the B6.2 hoping it was a refinement of that original sound. To my disappointment it was a completely different speaker. Anemic bass and harsh mids/highs, although yes, more detail, more audiophile but less musical, less fun. Bummer. I grabbed a pair of the references after reading all of the reviews on the audioscience forums. I would say it really is sort of a mashup of the 6.0's bass and the 6.2's detail, with a dash of additional warmth or smoothness in the mids and overall sound. In my room, the bass is comparable to the originals, if ever so slightly less prominent, and can get visceral with some volume. At around 65-70db and higher they will produce bass you can feel in your chest and will physically resonate my couch and floors. It's not like having a good sub - but it's a lot more muscular than the 6.2s.
Nice review i need a new pair of bookshelf speakers, im just not feeling my elac b6.2, any recommendations for edm and hip hop would be great. (around 500 to 600) im affraid the dbr62 will be a bit similar than the b6.2.
How about the Monitor Audio Bronze 100 6G? It's got an 8" driver so will have better extension for EDM, I'm selling my pair if you're lookin for a deal. I'm actually selling a ton of stuff if you're in the US, I have too much gear now.
@@NemoPropaganda Hey thanks but i live in Australia, otherwise i probably would, 8 inch making me think the speaker going to be pretty big, size maybe too big for my bedroom.
Good channel man!
@@chronicconditions5855 yeah they're not small. The 2021 Dynaudio Emit 10 have good bass too and are pretty small. I just reviewed them recently.
@@NemoPropaganda Nice! ill check that out.
Anyone have experience with the center channel?
Can you compare this to the B&W 600 series? (e.g. 607 or 606)?
I don't have a pair on hand unfortunately :(
Like your straightforward critiques. Could you audition the JBL 530's, please?
Hi Olu, since they're discontinued now I'm not sure I'll review them. I prefer current gear and Zeos from Z Reviews did a good review on them a few years ago :)
@@NemoPropaganda Hey, it was worth a SHOT. Anyway because of you, l am going to purchase the Aperion sub.
@@oluhamilton2121 Nice! That thing puts out a lot of bass!!!
@@NemoPropaganda Congratulartions Nemo ! As Olu I like a lot your straightforward critiques. Very important for reviewers !!! 👍👍👍👍👍
Hey man great review, how they do with dinamics ? Do they have a punch ?
They do have punch. Overall bass quantity is low but the quality of the bass is extremely satisfying and I found it to be some of the most enjoyable tight & punchy bass i have ever heard from a bookshelf speaker, I just wish there was more of it :)
@@NemoPropaganda thank you for the reply, I have been following you since the the first review, the buchard. Keep the good job 👍
@@TexasCorgiGun Wooo thank you brother! That means a lot to me :)
Please coment on the UBR62 if you already had a chance to hear them. Would aprecciate your take on them.
I'm sorry bro I have not heard them.
I'm glad that I came across this review. People have been suggesting these speakers to me. Do you feel these would be good for someone that listens to EDM with an emphasis on DnB. Unfortunately the 2 amps you recommend in your forst comment are unavailable.
Hey Jason, I listen to a lot of EDM and yes these are awesome with that, the midrange richness really helps bring some emotion to the female vocals in songs like Play by Alan Walker or male vocals even like in Choir also by Alan Walker & Guy Sebastian. You do need an amplifier with an honest power rating of at least 50w RMS or more like the Emotiva TA1 and more power is better.
Thank you what is the best amp you would say to pair with these, I have seen that both the amps you suggest are able to be had.
To say you need a sub with these is a matter of taste And I don't agree that they look cheap.
👍👍👍👍👍
They go well with that Iotavx sa3?
Oh yeah! That’s a great pairing that’ll give you midrange that’s usually not possible at this price.
Thx 😊
Enjoy my friend!
WEST COAST SPEAKERS should be your M.O.
what do you mean?
You should join an audio forum. People loan gear all the time.
Id love to have you review my Miller & Kreisel S1bs. Flip your wig back with those Kinkis.
those are some big boys!
I have to laugh. I just watched a review where they said these were bad on female voices. You stated all the details exactly opposite. I’m wondering which you prefer between the Klipsch RP-600M.
The treble of the DBR62 can be sibilant when paired with brighter components, or if they are simply toed in too much or even if the room is not ideal which i would imagine would make female vocals unenjoyable. As with all things system setup and overall synergy is very important. I spend about 30+ days minimum with products before I review them so i really have the luxury of trying out different things and my pre/power equipment is a touch on the smoother side which could have also helped mitigate that however most reviewers agree the midrange on the dbr62 is wonderful :). Unfortunately I have not heard the RP600M but most reviewers rate it below the DBR62.
Hey....I bought both. The Elacs are good for some things like acoustic guitars and male voices...The Klipsch are a little more lively, great for female vocals...I swap em out. You can get both for about a thousand bucks. The Klipsch go on sale....Oh I do like to use a sub for both of these...
@@AmericanConstellation God bless, honestly I would even use a subwoofer with floor standers, I love my bass!