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AFFORDABLE Home Theater Speakers! ELAC Debut Reference DBR62 Review
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AFFORDABLE Home Theater Speakers - ELAC Debut Reference - DBR62 Review
We review an affordable basic home theater speaker setup 3.1 home theater system using the ELAC Debut Reference Bookshelf Speakers, ELAC center channel speaker and SVS subwoofer.
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Hi Andrew. I'm about to make the jump from soundbar to a beginner home theatre set up. There are some great deals here in the UK at the moment on the Q Acoustics 3550i cinema package you mentioned at the end, & Sony STR-DN1080, all for £1350. Would you think this is a good starting point?
@rocco036 - I think that system is going to be great for you. I would maybe consider going with a different receiver just in case you need a bit more power for the Q's. Try this by Denon -- amzn.to/2Xm9BFP Back Up link: amzn.to/2D2klm1
Great, thanks so much Andrew. They've got deals on those too for an extra few hundred. Hopefully they'll knock a touch more for Black Friday. Love your vids & presentation👌🏼.
I am currently planning my next system. Current system was definitely budget with Andrew Jones Pioneer speakers, cheap Polk sub, and pioneer “elite” vsx-44. I’m currently thinking 40% budget on LCR, 30% avr, and 30% subs while repurposing existing equipment for surrounds. Can’t wait for the RP-600m review
@Tbuckets007 You'll want to watch our review of The Fives to hear our thoughts on the 600Ms. We are not doing a full video review of those.
These sound great with cold class D amps. My sprout 100 absolutely sounds great with these. All the detail but with a warmth. I actually prefer the setup much better than my rp600m’s with the same amp
I just got a sprout 100 and these speakers... looking forward to it.
@@adamgilreath8583 @Granite Scat Hey Gents, I also have the sprout 100. I’m currently auditioning the unifi reference but I don’t really like the combo. How are you guys liking the sprout and debut reference combo?
Thanks Andrew for reviewing the Elac Debut Reference speakers. I personally have speakers previously designed by Andrew Jones (Pioneer Elite SP-EBS73 Atmos, SP-EC73 center and SP-BS22 surrounds) for my home theater and absolutely satisfied. That's what made me also buy the Elac Debut 2.0 for my bedroom. I truly enjoy the way they sound for the money I spent (at 50% bargain discount sales). I previously had B&W 600 series for over 15 years and these AJ designed speakers are more dynamic, open, and detailed. I agree that these need a higher end source AVR or integrated amp with at least 125W per channel to fully experience its sonic advantages. These are paired to my Marantz and Denon AVRs that are between 2x or 3x the price of these speakers.
As a long time home theater enthusiast and previous subscriber of various audio/video magazines, your videos have rekindled my interest in this area. I truly appreciate your review of affordable HiFi equipment like this for the rest of us!
P.S. I also enjoy my SVS SB2000 sub with my Elites!
ELAC Debut Reference - DBR62 vs Dynaudio Emit 20. What's the best speaker? I enjoy a warm, soft and open sound stage.
(The reason Why Andrew speakers are harder to drive) is because most of them have a large well built motor structure for better excursion and 🏋 to the sound or a larger scale of sound , In my opion the Amp is the foundation of a system anyways and the speakers are the frame/Structure .Yes i'm an amp guy first for 33 years ! Its fun having a 3k amp driving speakers under 1k this way i get up to 85-90 percent performace out of the speaker instead of having 3k speakers being drove by a pre 1k amp where you maybe get 40 percent performace or less ! ON THE AVERAGE ! Not always !
I mean, testosterone of sound is dependent best on size of....? Room measurements I’d assume
I just bought the DBR62 to pair with Rega Brio and the new Rega p3. Whole setup costed me around $1600 where i live. Can't be any happier with the sound. A bit on the warm side, very good clarity, a bit laid back but musical and dynamic. Bass with the Brio goes pretty deep for my taste and i don't need a sub. You can listen to it in a long session without any fatigure. The first time i listened to it i literally listened for three hours, one vinyl after another. Just didn't want to stop. It was that good for me.
What about cd playing.Are they fatigue or a little bright on the treble at medium to high volumes?
Bought a pair of these last weekend and instantly fell in love with them the second I heard them at my local shop. But yes the problem I have now is need a bigger amp to really push these.
Fussy about electronics means it is a pass for shoppers on a budget. I hope people appreciate your commitment to an honest appraisal of the gear that you review, not an easy thing to do when you need manufacturers to send you gear. One last thing - ignore the Elac fanboys who inevitably will show up to whine or troll.
I went from the 5.2 to 6.2 Debut 2.0 and then to Reference. Driving them with a SMSL AO200 amp at only $280 they sound fantastic.
Are the debut reference your favorite of the three?
Ha! Robinson wouldn’t even use the SMSL’s to set his caviar on.
I’m using my Elac reference fronts with the SVS SB-2000. It’s a great match.
Thanks for the honest review. I want to confirm that Debut Reference speakers really do respond to better, or at least more powerful amps. They also break in to give lower, deep, rewarding bass. From 25 to 55 watts upgrade, I got deeper bass, cleaner midrange, and well, all the high end I will ever want. Great speakers. But thay are best with more power. Most good speakers sound better with high end amps. $6,000 is a bit much to spend on an amp for these, but the point is valid. I recommend tone controls somewhere in your system to dial in the sound you like. Yes, these speakers will deliver. A little more power goes a long way with these speakers.
Wait 50 watts is still pretty low or are we talking tube amp? I hope 50 watts solid state sounds great bc that is what I gots vintage receiver and hoping it works out to get these elacs
One thing that stood out from this review was the idea that klipsch are easier to drive than Elac. That is incorrect, and based on the lies told by klipsch. The entire Elac line only get down to around 4.5- 5 ohms when the klipsch rp600m gets down to around 3 ohms, or under 2 ohms 😮 if you have the r41m! Marketing lies and actual measurements are two different things. The only place the klipsch are more sensitive is in the high frequency range. For this reason I simply cannot allow klipsch into my home, as I have no patience for dishonest companies.
Sibilance? I switched to these ELACS from Klipsch RP160M'S and after auditioning the Borea BRO3's. The Elacs are by far the least sibilant and I'm playing dogshit, black metal recordings through them.
I’m a new subscriber and have to say you have great video editing and presentation. I also appreciate the extra effort with links in the video description. Awesome job!
Hey! Thanks for subscribing, watching and saying such nice things. It helps. :)
I personally throw budget straight out the window. Time and Time again throughout the 1980's, audio reviewers would preach, "Buy as much power as you can possibly afford.". That's the credo that I live by. It will help make a wider variety of speakers sound their very best. I also get as high of quality of source playback that I can afford, because the rest of the audio chain's performance is based on the quality of the play back source as well as the quality of the play back media.
I have mine paired with an Emotiva TA1 and they sound great.
Have you done a review on the b52-2. 0 book shelf, unified model, if you have, I haven't seen it. Please let me know. It's a very respected bookshelf, from Elac , think it's a 2020 model, came out in September, I believe. It's very highly recommended. If you haven't done that review, please update your menu. It's surf and turf. With a side of incredible sound stage, imaging, neutral, clarity, bass etc. Thanks guys! 🙏❤️😁🤘
Your the first person to mention silibance with this speaker? I read that it supposed to be a warm and relaxed sounding?
Listening to this with my DBR62s and ULS-15 MK2, got my pair last week and I don't regret em for a second. Seemingly no problem driving 'em with an old Marantz 2220.
Great review Andrew thank you for your honesty and comedy relief outtakes!
Do the Elacs UBR62 do well with AVRs like X3800H, SR5015, TX-RZ50?
I've tried 90 USD amp to drive Polk S30 and Epos M5 speaker. Also tried to drive the same speakers with Naim XS2. I think the later gives better and less fatiguing results. Hence, so far I think better amps give better result. More impotantly, your channel is so good: One of the best channel with most comfortably articulated recorded voice, clear narrative, and pleasant video colors with calming interior setup.
Great review. I have the Elac Debut B6.2 and almost everything you said about the Reference is true of the B6.2's. Also the comment about the Klipsch RP600m, needing less power to reach their true potential. Next stop for me will be the RP600m's, think I want more dynamics ! Thanks .
Thanks for sharing!
I have always found this question interesting... Who buys an entire system all at once? They are the exception. I would say start with your foundations of speakers. So 80%. Find the mains that make you happy. Actually the mains and center that make you happy. Buy the main and a receiver. Add center. Add surrounds. Then buy the electronics. Buying all at once I feel (my opinion) lead rise to sound bars. They are easy and you get the entire system... I guess i simply don't see (and hear) home theater as one purchase.
What statistics do you have to support this ("they are the exception")? Trick knee? 2 neighbors? A friend's cousin's 2nd wife's brother? I see these baseless blanket statements on the internet all the time ("the majority of people that do (x) aren't interested in (y), they only care about (z)") and they just don't hold water without facts to back them up.
@@mrsj1417 @mrsj1417 in this case ten years managing a stereo shop experience. Big builds came but most client were looking to upgrade/ improve what they had. Ive designed 100k+ systems but the average consumer was spending far less and working from an exsisting system. Biggest improvement- bang for the buck, i my opinion, is speakers. Start there. Build a plan.
Personally i started with a set of SLiii . I still have them tweenty years later. The electronics have come and gone but the SL3 remain.
I'm sorry that I somehow offended you. Having an Engineering degree (which I earned while managing the stereo shop) I understand the need for statistics. My statements are my opinion since that was the question what percentage of your overall budget . . .
@@cyberctashdummy good advice. The vast majority of the budget should go into speakers 1st.
If I ever find myself in your hometown, I'll buy you the Guacamole. Cheers man!
Thank you for making it to the end!
My belief is that speakers are the biggest contributor to the sound character of your system and as such should be at least 1/3 the total cost of the system. In my case I designed and built my own transmission line speakers using Focal drivers (total cost all in about $1,000). I use a vintage Denon 60 watt per channel PMA-520 integrated amp to drive them (~$500 when I bought it years ago). I also have a Clearaudio Concept turntable ( ~$1700). I find it all works well together. The speakers are quite efficient so the 60 watts seems to be plenty. I believe I would have to pay considerably more than $1000 to get equivalent speakers to my home built ones so I would say they represent about 50% of the total system investment. Great video by the way!
This or Wharfdale Diamond 12.1?
Thanks a lot in advance!
These or wharfedale evo 4.1 for nearfield setup?
out of these options which do you prefer and why... elac unifi5, triangle bro3 , kef q350, elac debut reference, q acoustics 3030i?
Thank you for the awesome review!! If I may ask any ideas to how they compare to the B&W 606? I was considering the Elacs as they were within my budget but I went with the B&Ws because I could actually test these. Another question onto that question XD, how did the elacs sound when you hooked them up to the crown amp?
RE: the Crown
We didn't hook the Crown up to the ELACs because while definitely more affordable, the Crown lacks a preamp so when you factor that need into the cost, it didn't feel like a necessary test.
RE: B&W
It's been too long since I've heard those and can't say they compare. Personally speaking, I would have gone with the B&Ws too.
Andrew Robinson ahhh ok. Hey thank you so much for the detailed response! :)
Great job with the shortened spec into. Presentation and review was on point. one of my favourite reviews from you.
I have the Ub52s and they are awesome
What’s the ideal listening point of the speakers? I have mine about 8ft apart. Is that too close or too far?
Ok I hear you , but don't forget there are budget amps that punch above their weight, I mean like NAD 3020, Marantz PM6007, Rega Brio, or Cambridge Audio CXA61 none of them that expensive, but still highly rated soundwise. Maybe in trying and put together a whole system without breaking $2000, these and the Elac's would be candidates.
I installed a .1uf 1% metallized polypropylene bypass cap on the tweeter cap. It gives the DBR62 a better focused treble. More open and refined sound. Takes an excellent speaker and makes it outstanding.
As to sibilance? I have "A" rated DAC/amp/preamp. If anything, the stock ELAC are transparent to siblience (and report it accordingly) that comes from the source recording and/or components. Klipsch and axiom (for example) exaggerate sibilience . Metal tweeters do that. The ELAC deserve scaled up gear, not just a cheap receiver which delivers 1/3 rated power, and other compromises like crappy caps + budget opamps in the signal path.
I find that a lot of acclaimed speakers actually mitigate sibilance and mask it , which is inaccurate, though some people like this.
Hi Scott. I found very interesting what you said regarding 1 uf 1% metallized polypropylene. Please, could you explain better what you did. I am not an expert but I like to learn this kind of stuff. Thank you very much!
Wow, why didn't Andrew Jones think of that !!!!!!
@@r423sdex Not saying OP is right or wrong, but standard crossovers can always be improved at this price point. You gotta remember that the material cost for this speaker is probably less than $100 and just good crossover components can easily add up to that, per speaker. Though another likely theory is that Andrew might have chosen not using that "improvement" to enhance some other function such as coherent off-axis response, which might have been interfered with doing this mod. Spending $200-300 on better crossover parts would probably lift these speakers to a much higher pricepoint.
Love ELAC. Always providing plenty of fun for us commoners 😎
I was about to buy this and the Yamaha TSR-700 7.1 receiver. Do you think that’s a good match or terrible pair??
Andrew, you continue to be the top reviewer on RUclips. Thanks for including the additional H.T. options as you promised 👍🏽. Btw, pretty cool then Misses helps you out with the recordings.
Have a Roksan Caspian mk1 with dbr 62 speakers! And bought a Roksan k3 power amp, use the Caspian as a pre amp……. And wow the speakers sound so much bigger and better. But its twice the power and 1400🤑 But thats the hifi hobby,
Curious if you and Kristi have any experience with the Uni-Fi 2.0 ub52. Most reviewers seem to love them. They recently dropped in price and considering either picking them up or the Heco Aurora 300.
Sorry, Mike, we haven't heard those speakers.
I have both, ub52 and dbr62. I feel bass a little bit punchy on ub52, but there are no big difference between both. I'd go with ub52 on sale price (250-300 euros)
So far I’ve spent more on the electronics than the speakers. I’m still trying to decide what “sound” I like before going all in on a set of speakers.
That being said I’ve been almost exclusively buying used gear. I recently just picked up an ADCOM GFA-5500 Power Amp and Matching GFP-555 II pre-amp for $400 and holy lord does that sound WAY better than my Onkyo A/V though my budget bookshelves.
Hey guys. Great video again. I love both the reviewing aspect of the videos as well as the great B-roll footage.
I was wondering if you could ever do a video about how speakers are put into a range and when to use what speaker in a specific range. For example I am eyeballing the Q Acoustics 3020i, 3030i and 3050i and I find it hard to know what to get for my stereo music setup. And I know loads of brands have ranges like that. When does one type not suffice anymore and you should go up in the range?
You guys! It’s good to know that we aren’t the only ones who are still going stir crazy in the Capital city.
First chance I get, my gal and I are hitting up Drink.Well for gimlets, Melon salad and mezze plate. I have to say tho, my drink mixing skills have improved out of necessity and I think I’ve watched every French cooking RUclips channel there is to offer. Cheers!
I feel you. I used to love going out for dinner and all that. Now its all take out and its not the same.
Not me, I always go out to get my own takeout to take home to a pre setup movie theater experience with only the people I want to see.
Nothing has changed except I let less people in on the party now.
This is the way.
XTZ Spirit vs ELAC Debut Reference? Which prefer 3.1 HT system?
These are getting a 4.5 on amazon, so worth considering it appears.
Good to know!
Yes but not enough stars from what Hi-Fi !!! It's the only measurement that counts !!!!
I feel at least 50% of a budget spent on speakers is the way to go. Although there are differences in source equipment, there is not enough difference to affect what one hears than what the speakers bring to the ears.
I would have agreed with you before having speakers like the B&W 702 Signatures in the house.
I don't disagree with you guys. It all depends on budget. If one has a $1,500 budget, I would think you would want to get the best speakers you can afford, because upgrading the source gear down the road would make those speakers sound better. If you have a $5,000 budget, matching great speakers with great source equipment would not be as much of a problem.
Buy the best measuring speakers you can afford. Just because they are expensive dosent mean they are any good.
Hi. Would the NAD C700 or Powernode be a ok pairing? Thanks
i'm on the same decision. What did you choose?
Hey Andrew.. Great stuff on your channel.. I was considering these speakers with the Cambridge Audio CXA61 or the uadiolab 6000a (which is about as much as my budget would allow). Any thoughts on whether either of these two int. amps would pair well with the dbr62?
Shame he didn't answer. I've got the same question.
Ive got the audiolab 6000a with my dbr62 and they are great together👍
Btw, you didn't mention your Crown XLS II as a low cost high power option? Wonder how the Elac's mate with it.
Pretty much everything about these speakers appeals to me. My question is that I currently have a Yamaha CR-620 35wpc vintage receiver, which I love, but I'm looking to upgrade to the CR-1020 which offers 70wpc. I listen to a wide range of music, but mostly 70's rock, prog, and some jazz. The front port is great, as the limitations of my fairly small, 11'x14' listening room doesn't allow me to have speakers more than 12-16" away from the wall. I usually listen with peak DB measuring around 90-93db at my listening position. Do you believe these are going to get me where I want without a sub?
I think when it comes down to it, with most bookshelves a sub is always going to give you more bass and let your speakers breathe a bit as they won't be working so hard. I can't really run one, as I'm in an apt. and my neighbors are nice people. One thing I've noticed about these Elacs is that they take tone controls very nicely. I have a similar small listening room and when I need to, I just dial up the bass on my amp. The DBR62s can handle this added bass while remaining balanced and distortion free. In my space, it's enough. At 70db and higher, my couch will vibrate and you can feel kick drums etc. in your chest. It's not earth shattering, but it's satisfying enough that, for now, I've stopped caring about adding a sub (and I'm a bass player).
Another fantastic video :)
Tried these speakers a few weeks ago, but finally returned them. I couldn't make them shine with my budget electronics. I was looking for an upgrade to my very much appreciated Q Acoustics Concept 20. Apart from the Bass (much stronger on the Elac), they didn't make that much of a difference to stand out from the Q Acoustics. The mids on the Concept 20 were even cleaner. And the Q Acoustics sound good, with something like a 150€ SMSL SA300. So for me, I couldn't justify selling my Concept 20 and adding 200€ to get the Elacs.
@Sly foxxx But don't get me wrong. I did not say, that the Elacs are bad speakers. Just that for me, it was not worth the upgrade.
Hi Andrew, I bought DBR62 about 2 weeks ago and use it as front speaker and I'm planning to buy the center DCR52 too. I watched your review about the center, how it sound and you said it more matched with the Reference tower. I have another candidate - the new old stock Paradigm monitor center 3 v.7 with a very good price, I know the sound won't be matched with Elac but I can live with that. How do you think? I drive the speaker with Yamaha RXV585 and so far the Elac sounds pretty good in direct mode.
Thanks
I drive my ELACs with a Parasound 2350. 600 x 2 really brings out the sound.
Love the speaker stands. They look great!
Hi Andrew, I’ve been watching you for a while and I really enjoy your content. I needed to ask you something. I currently use a stereo amplifier in my bedroom for both movies and music. I listen to music more and the only reason I use it for movies as well is because my room is too small for a sub and I still want good bass. Is this ok? Or should I buy an AVR for movies?
A balanced and honest review.Not afraid to express your opinions on a so-called 5 star product.Keep up the good work.
Fingers crossed you can get your hands on the Elac Vela 409 to review ?
It's just an opinion, how do you know it's honest ?
Hi!
I have to place my speakers close to a wall and at an angle. I was thinking a front port would be better suited for that arrangement.
Is my assessment right? And if so: Are those the speakers to get when looking at front ported speakers at that price point
i have them in one of my smaller rooms and a Rel T/5x sub and i am always impressed how god they play for the small pricetag
Love the content man! I just hit subscribe button! Love your content and I hope you keep it coming. I followed you through your covid 19 experience and I am glad you mad it through! I do have one question ? I'm looking to get klipsch atmos modules to add to my system. I have a beam that runs across the roof just in front of my seating position. Its only about 12" by 12". Would this block the sound from the upward firing speakers making them useless? Thanks all and have a great holiday!!
These speakers are compelling what I need to know Andrew is do the Debut Reference Bookshelf Speakers compare well vs Carina Bookshelf Speakers BS243.4 which cost over 2 times as much.
I have to wonder if these (the Cariña) are that much better if they are are they giant killers ie could they compete with some think like the monitor audio gold 100 or other bookshelves twice as costly.
Elac is after all, all about value. Is can it do value at a higher price?
Just get the Elac unified b52, 600. Haven't even heard a word from these "reviewer's about them. Everyone else has! 5 star across the board. These people haven't reviewed them, don't think, or mentioned them in this review! These b52s don't need power to sound incredible. Sound stage, imaging, neutral, clarity, bass etc For the life of me can't understand why!? Please 🙏 answer the question. If you're a good reviewer, why are you not mentioning this amazing speaker option!? You owe it to the people. 5star speakers that easily solve this power hungry problem, from the same company, that sound incredible, and better for the same $$$, audibly. Iam not a speaker reviewer, but it's not at all difficult for such a obvious answer, period. One person mentioned the speaker in the comments. He or she got it right. Thank you. But they are your audience. Thc people looking to You for your " professional advice, and you failed that obvious solution. They didn't 😁 Maybe iam being a little critical, but iam doing it for the people. The Unified 2.0, B-52 Elac book shelf speaker, 600 dollars. ❤️ You can drive it with 20 watts of clean sound. And it's a much better speaker. Thanks Andrew! Get back, please.. thanks 😁
Hi Andrew, do you think the crown 2502 would be a good match with the elac debut reference?
I enjoy your video, they re great. But can you STOP saying “we don’t talk about specs...” and then show them in EVERY video. 1) Specs are important, you need to know if a speaker needs a recommended 50 or 75 watts to get going if you only have a 10w tube amp. 2) you show them on EVERY video, so what is the point of saying that after awhile it’s annoying. 3) You make mentions in most videos (as you did in this) that a speaker needs a lot of power to wake them up, or you will say “this tv doesn’t do well in a bright room” and other comments along that line. If you don’t give the specs, I have NO IDEA how much power the amp needs, does “a lot” mean 30 watts or does it mean 300watts. Having the specs helps me answer this question. This TV doesn’t do well in a bright room, is it a 250 nit TV? If that’s the case I know if won’t work in my bright room either. Is it 500 nits? Ok your room is brighter than mine, but at 500 nits I should be ok... Do you see what I mean? Specs DO matter and are important when you are giving buying recommendations.
I love your videos, but just show the specs and understand that they DO matter.
I would guess if you want the most out of your system you should spend 100%+ allow for speaker upgrading in the future. You have $2,000 speakers you should have $2,000 integrated amp or Amp/Preamp. What do you recommend?
Great review, and you answered several questions re these (and maybe other) Elac speakers - they sound great with better than average gear. Otherwise, mabye not so much. The concept is fun, but not realistic for those truly on a budget. If I could afford serious amps, I would entertain them. I'll just continue enjoying my 35 year old Heresy IIs and 60W Adcom amp, along with your reviews. These Elacs are beautiful, though... Keep on keeping on.
Hi. I am looking for some help to decide what to do? I have an old, but very good, Rotel RSP-1098 AV processor connected to two RMB-1066 amplifiers. However, my system lacks HDMI support, Dolby digital Plus, TrueHD and Dolby Atmos. I cannot afford a top Rotel or Marantz up to date processor. So I am not sure if I should look for a HDMI multi-channel DAC with 7.1 analog output to connect to 7.1 analog input of my processor or to replace the RSP-1098 for a Marantz SR-5014 or Yamaha Aventage RX-A880, both in my budget. Any suggestions?
Excellent honest review. If you want outstanding performance with these amps to their full potential, Do not expect to get it from a AV receiver.
Hit them hard with some top end component pre-amplifier and $3000-$4000 plus amplifier.
Then they shine bright like a exploding super nova 👍
Wow, on an a scale for this channel this felt like an absolute roast of these speakers. Your review of the jamo c97 towers was glowing for speakers half the price. Youch hahahha Nice to hear a different take on these though.
Really? Hmm. So interesting to see how others interpret things. The Jamo towers are better though :). Thanks for watching!
@@KristiWright sure, it wasn't what was said, though there was some of that too, it was more what wasn't said. Mostly in the hints of it missing the mark for it's intended market audience. If you have a $600 speaker that needs a $1500 integrated to really make it come alive, you've missed the audience, especially when there are speakers that are more forgiving with, say something like an IOTAVX SA3. But like I said, I've heard a lot of good about these speakers and it's refreshing to hear them taken down a peg.
@@josephchamberlain3681 All true statements...I guess I just didn't feel we "roasted" them. Anyway. Appreciate you all the same!
@@KristiWright I know exactly what hes talking about & noticed it too. It's your mood, & not what u said, its how u said it. B/c u usually come across as a energetic & overall positive person, u seem a little down in this vid as if u were aggravated or had a headache. Probably th quarantine kicking in hard I would guess🍻
Maybe it's the new format / workflow changes we are trying to adopt over here. That and I'm still waiting on my "existing chips"🙃.
Hi Andrew, great review! As always, a pleasure to watch. This Sunday I really hoped for a Concept 300 review, though. Are you still planning on that? Really, really waiting for it... :)
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How would this compare to an NHT C3? Do you have any plans to test the NHT speakers?
Gr8 vid man, u read my mind when u said they start 2 lose their low cost luster being so amp( pricey) dependent on their sound. I need to see your furry child soon or I'm unsuscribing! Oh & here's your drink as ordered🍸🍻
Really liked this episode. Very clear and informative. Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for the honest and detailed review! :) What do you think of the XTZ Spirit 4 which are about the same price? :) Also have you considered to review other more expensive XTZ speakers like the 99.25 LCR bookshelf speakers costing 990€ a pair? Keep up the good work!
How do you know the review is honest ?
Dave G You know you can trust Andrew just by looking at him.
So with you! I am also so ready for us to put CV19 behind us. Love your perspectives. Keep up the good work. Though it's difficult to believe sometimes, we will get through this. And I look forward to meeting you, buying you and Kristi a drink a fantastic bartender will make for the three of us. BTW, I have the debut 6.2 2.0 and paired with a Schiit Asgard Multibit and Crown XLS 1002, they sound awesome together.
Greetings, @6:12 Which are the "best" affordable Speakers in your opinion? The RP-600M? Im shopping for speakers like these to drive with my Denon AVR-X2600H. Any plans to review some Dali Speakers or B&W 607? Greetings from Germany.
@Andrew Robinson: how did you connect the SVS SB-1000? I actually have the same combo (as of recently) and I'm hesitant to drive them with the SB-1000 via the RCA passthrough because of the high pass filter. I wouldn't want to crossover at 80Hz but the high pass filter is fixed at 80Hz. But when you say "the didn't seem to have to be driven that hard" kind of sounds like using the Debut Reference with the filter. Thanks in advance.
Using two Elac Ub5 speakers with an SVS SB2000 Pro. Only a receiver Is needed.. any advice? Got a budget for 1k euro
Great review! I'm a big RCF fan. I wonder how would this compare to a RCF Ayra Pro 8 plus a Ayra 10 SUB. Would it worth it a review on this RCF set ?
Great review! I've been interested in these since I saw a review on AudioScience forum. Have you reviewed the JBL 5 series or Infinity Reference line?
I'm guessing that the sticker price sunk the Navis ARB51 Actives - Jones did his best to talk them up in the show interview he did with John Darko but compared to the VFM offered by the Debut series, its not hard to see why many of us would opt for the passives. You are the second reviewer in 24 hours to point out that the Reference deserves better amplification than many will be prepared to pony up for at this end of the market, and that's where I think the value equation starts to move closer to the Navis, at least IMO. The budget question is easy, but I dont think I've ever practiced what I preach - 30% each for source/amp/speakers and the remainder for cables to hook them together. Given that I've rarely paid more than a thousand dollars for any of the above (headphones excepted, but we're talking speakers), I may not be the best person to ask. The current obsession with DACs / streamers completely turns all of that on its head, but that's a whole other topic.
Andrew first off I love your channel and platform. I currently have the 8000f and c504 center. Due to them being very focused I’m thinking of selling them for these Elac but in tower form. Thought??
In what color do they look better? White or black?
I purchased a KEF 5.1.1 Q Series speaker system back in 2000. The fronts were a Q55.2 and got the matching sub and center. Honestly these speaker never got me excited and just seem to be bland. Feel like a quality soundbar would be just as good. So awhile back I went from a Yamaha receiver to a Denon and then went to even a better 4300X and still nothing. I get more out of my Sonos speakers. So here I am looking at upgrading to the latest Denon/Onkyo high end receiver. But I started to wonder if I should just replace all my speakers? But I am wondering if I try the ELAC Reviewed am I really just going to get the same results? Or have things really improved over the years even though Andrew Jones came from KEF and they seem to both use a uni-driver. Thinking I wouldn’t see a difference since the technology is pretty much the same, but would appreciate others thoughts.
SVS aluminum tweeters suck.
Hey Andrew,
What speakers would you recommend with a Luxman SQ-150? Right now, I am rocking some Pioneer DSS-E6 (love them), but my wife would like me to size down. I have been looking at Klipsch 600m. What else would you recommend? My price range is $600.00-$1000.00?
We have some speakers we recommend in the description box of this video that would qualify. The Fives by Klipsch would give you a bit of that vintage look but would not require the Luxman as they're powered.
I wanted to get the B6.2, found out that there is this new version... DBR62 but it's 2 times the price... I think it's mostly a style upgrade, I don't think the sound upgrade will be that noticible for me. Would it?
I was in the same boat. Finally got these and they are definitely and noticeably better than the 6.2 - its not just a style upgrade. To my ears they have punchier bass with deeper perceived low end extension (despite specs), a more natural, less forward mid range, and smoother sounding highs. The sound is more cohesive and thick than the 6.2s. I don't find these sibilant at all and I have them paired to a class D amp that is slightly on the brighter side. Same detail resolution as the 6.2 but with a smoother presentation - like the details are there but never bright or annoying sounding. For lack of a better description they sound more "refined" or "elegant." $600 is no small chunk, but you can often find them for around $450 used on ebay.
@@Purpleyamz Which amp do you have?
@@MrJohnnyorange Have these paired with the Sonos Amp. Not the connect, but the newer "Amp." 125w/channel Class D at 8 ohms, but it's not a traditional analog class D, it's DDFA - basically completely digital until the output stage. Kind of like a powered DAC or what used to be called class "Z" - similar tech to, and possibly even uses the same exact Qualcomm chip that's found in the NAD M2/M32 etc. Sounds pretty great, - a very (possibly overly?) clean, punchy sound which seems to pair nicely with the warmer, laid back vibe of the DBR62s. I actually put in a request a while back for Andrew to review the Sonos amp bc I think from a convenience and minimalism POV, there's not much that competes with it, and it's kind of a stealthy little hard-hitter.
I've got a pair of Elac Debut B6, other than bass & treble just a little bit overweight, it's a fine speakers though. It seem it's a bit unforgiving sound the new reference lineup. Looking forward your review for Wharfedale Evo 4.2
You mean the original b6 or the dbr62 has unforgiving sound with bad recordings?
@@andreassouth1523 Original B6, higher volume especially, but though it has very nice dynamic
If the (step up) Uni-fi series are better then the Reference then why do the Reference cost the same or more?... Wouldn't that indicate that the References' value for money is low since you can do better for the same money? - I don't understand the References' price point in the Elac lines. - Uni-fi is a 3-way and more sophisticated design and sound far better than the Reference.
How would DBR62 or UBR62 pair with Pioneer VSX-919 ?
Reference speakers paired with the little but powerful Rockville Bluetube tube amp, is amazing. I compare to B&W CM5 speakers (they are 3X cost). No kidding.
I was considering Elac's for sure but.... ehhh. Not for me. Good review though! How many takes did ya need on this vid? Maybe yall got good editing cause you're always very classy and i love the reviews!
Andrew - what bookshelf speakers would you reccommend up to $500?
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Thank you for responding. The speakers will accompany the Audiolab 6000A Integrated/DAC amplifier which is clean, balanced but too neutral for my proclivity and they do not incorporate an analogue preamplifier that facilitates bass and treble adjustment but rather 3 digital filters. I am a reviwer/journalist of Electronic music so I am looking for a pair of dynamic soeakers with fast transient capabilities that are airy/extended in the top end and with emphasis on micro details. I currently own the Whaferdale Diamond 10 bookshelf speakers acquired 4 years ago. The frequency response in relation to low frequency is far too insufficient. I don't wish to sit back and listen, I much prefer to lean forward and be blown away. Hence, with this additional information, does your initial reccommendation still stand?
Thanks for the review. This helped me narrow down my shortlisted speakers for my home theatre. I bought myself a pair of these, the dcr52 centre, dow42 rear and svs sb1000 subwoofer. Be interesting to hear how they sound hooked up to the Denon AVR
Hi. I am thinking of the exact same setup, even the Denon AVr. How are you liking everything? Any regrets?
@@AndrewScarella they sound amazing. No regrets at all. Highly recommend. I hooked up my old Jamo subwoofer as well. Bass is solid, tight and consistent. Felt svs is flexible and paired well with other brand subs
wish you would reveiw the uni fi UF52 2.0
I keep vacillating between these: kef q150/q350, SVS Prime, and Q acoustics 3020/3030i.
I wonder if my Onkyo tx-nr6050 can power these debuts enough.
Would you be able to do a video on speakers in a large room, go from a 2.0 bookshelf vs 2.1 bookshelf vs floor stander? What the real world noticeable differences are
That's a great idea for a video. What size do you consider large?
@@andrewrobinsonreviews maybe 3000-5000 cu ft? Open floor plan type of room. I have 3 way sealed bookshelves which raised the question for me. I'd like to know more about adjusting the cross over point or how the bass, mid bass gets affected.
A personal question is if a ported bookshelf would be noticeably better than a sealed if floor standers wouldn't fit well in the space or have limitations with kids, etc. That may be too specific for the video, but something I wonder for my personal situation.
Great video, I enjoy your content and personal approach to your videos.
How this compare against the UB5??
The UB5 is a more forward and engaging sound over the Reference. Not better or worse, just different. They also enjoy a lot of power as is the case with most of AJ designs.
What white speaker stand are you using? Just got a pair. So far so good.
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Hi! I plan to buy new speakers and looking into ELAC DFR62, Focal Chora 826 and B&W 603 S2 AE. Will be using for both music and movies. Any suggestions which would suit me best. Planning to get Denon x2700 or Marantz SR5015 for AVR. Thank you
What speaker/amp combo did you settle on and how do you like them? I’m looking at the Focal Chora 826, Uni-fi Reference and Triange Comete, with either Emotiva separates or the Billie Heaven 11.
What is your opinion, on the Polk audio TSI 400? I really enjoy your videos and thank you for doing a great job
Get the b52s unified Elac, no brainer, 6ohm,they have it all, clarity, bass, detailed with Amazing sound stage! Got mine 2/23/22, on sale, Amazon, 489.00, Best I've ever heard, have Pioneer thx94 Elite receiver 09,140-7 Piano Blk gloss, Sony CD player, can get real loud, but Sooo clean! Trust me, unified b52 2.0!❤️🤘😁
what cables do you recommend using with them?
I used the same cables I've been using for almost 20 years, which is bulk (spool) Transparent The Wave speaker cables. I use these cables with EVERY speaker. Haven't seen a reason to switch. I also use generic 12 gauge OFC wire as well.
I use kimber speaker cable 12 TC, not only can I feel the singer's breath but smell it also !!!!