Hi James. Re bathroom have a square shower. Then you will have space between the shower and the side of the boat. Here you can have a cupboard and above it several shelves. This gives you more storage space. Useful for possible toiletries and towels. Under the cupboard fit a pump to empty the shower which in the future is easy to access and the discharge through the hull is easy to access aswell and hidden in the cupboard. Suggest a whale pump with switch in the shower. Also use the solid shower boards instead of tiling. Water proof and quicker and easier than tiling. Only a thought, regards Simon.
Hi James Clever fella keeping the fridge away from the warm stuff ie oven ,hob , coal fire reverse layout is just perfect especiallly when one lives on tea and crisps, total respect on your work ethic and good spirits Ive stumbled late onto your project and Its keeping me entertained during our lockdown here in Austria cheers
Looks good... I know you need space for the kids, but you could maybe add some shallow cupboards/shelves on the opposite side to the sink? You'd still have room for a chair. As deep as a tin cupboard, kind of thing. It's a mighty project, whatever you do to it.
really helpful video, I have been spending hours upon hours planing layout for new boat, this makes it simpler for me to refine them . L shaped defo better imho having had a pullman on old boat
I have a small campervan and can only advise keeping things simple and straight forward. The layout needs to be right for "you". It took me 4 years of searching to find a layout that suited me. The design will evolve as you think about it and you will refine the ideas down to the final one.
Not boring at all James .As you say it's all part of the process.I don't own a boat yet so won't comment on your design as I've no idea my self but I do like the sliding door idea.
I had my stove on the angle but a couple of years ago moved it so it was facing across the boat. The amount of stuff that fell into that dead triangle behind that you couldn't get at when the stove was hot really started to annoy me. My galley floor has terracotta tiles and they extend to around the stove area. Helps when you need to plan clearances etc. Drop the stove hearth down to the base plate so the hearth itself is flush with the top floor and doesn't become a trip hazard. When the table is up you will bark your ankles on the hearth otherwise. Also have a vent in the flooring under/behind the fridge to draw cool air up from the bilges to help keep it cool. (Wish I had done this when I was fitting my boat out)
I'm catching up. I'm aware you are nearly done. Looks great. Bit surprised putting fridge next to your stove though. Really good vlog collection showing the boats transformation - thanks for sharing.
Everything sounds great, as for the hob and the stove just extend the tile work from the stove area up and behind the hob area and kinda make it all one blended design. maybe...CHEERS
Great video, I love seeing how things will be fitted in :), I have a nature’s head in my tiny house and I love it, however unless you are going to compost the waste yourself I think you are better with a bucket style so you can line with a bag, the nature’s head has an agitator, which prevents this.... on one of the narrow boat experience’s vlogs, they were saying if they had to do it again they would not have gone for the nature’s head. Good luck with it all, I have just found your channel, so am catching up :)
Hi James. What a fantastic explanation of what your doing 👍🏻 What's fabulous about this build is its being done out of your head for what's best for you. Love your drawings too 😄
As mentioned below,if you can find space,a "wet locker"near the door is a good idea.somewhere for soggy coats,mooring pins and general crap we all seem to colect,though I do realise space and storage is always at a premium on a biat
This was the first video of yours I saw, have been back to the beginning and watched from episode 1 up until this point again, looking forward to seeing how it turns out! Keep up the good work
If you put a 1/2 inch air space between the fireproof and the cabinet, I think it will be fine. We cut 1/2 inch pieces of copper water pipe as spacers and thru bolt it. Countersink the heads a bit to keep the tile flat. Great layout work John
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt I would have thought the stove suppliers would have the full fitting information.a few calculations for cabin volume and airflow/ventilation as well as fitting instructions. I believe a silica based board is used as a backing,not too expensive if I remember rightly
Btw.im not an installer,just very aware that if you get critical installs wrong (like gas or anything that produces co),then the results can be devastating
Not sure if you got the toilet yet I'm yet to go throug all vidoes, but if you can get the nature's head ( if your Budget allows you to, id go for it I've herd they are good ) also it's definitely not dull it's a very informative vidoe.. maybe more like this to show your concepts it's very helpful to picture your boat like it now, rather then just going over here is going to be the bedroom and that.. ( pointing )
i was thinking the same. instead of an L shape dinette have a pullman dinett next to the oven/galley, and then the fire in the corner backing onto the shower room ??
Great vlog👍. I was thinking flipping the multi-fuel and dinette around too. Not that your design isn’t good and well thought out, however this way you would have your multi-fuel in an even more central location, you would still have the chilling looking out the other hatch scenario and option for a U-shaped galley giving more base unit storage/counter space. Also the fridge may have to work a little harder in those cold months when the fire is lit closer to the stove. Screen for projector could then drop down between hatch and window at the 6ft and 12ft mark. Great vlogs you’re producing James and very informative indeed👌
@Chris G good point Chris, mind you I was also thinking with a sub 50ft narrowboat it will heat up quite quickly with the fire in either location. Also the fire could go on the port side of the bulkhead facing the stern leaving space for the tv/projector screen in the corner?
A small potential issue with having the hob right next to the 'wall' separating the kitchen from the stove is having somewhere for pan handles to go when they're on the right hand rings.
Have you thought of fitting electric underfloor heating on your boat, Then at least if your hooked up in a Marina over winter possibly you can just plug your boat into the mains and not burn so much coal and wood , less dust particulates, by the way loving your blogs
Hi another good vlog just thought I might say that the angle of the side on a boat is called the "Tumblehome" as for your fit out plans I personally would make the dinette slightly different to your plan first thing not to have it raised second thing is to make two settees 2ftx4ft free standing then a table 2ftx4ft with this set up you can have a L shape or a Pullman or any other way you like and still turn into a double bed.The main thing is don't fix the table to the floor it will turn into your worst nightmare.As for a toilet buy the cheapest dry toilet you can find they are as good as any thousand pound one they do not need a fan you don't get any smells avoid buying one with any sort of mixing device this means you have to tip from the toilet to a bag before you put in the bins.There is a Facebook site on dry toilets that has loads of info you might be interested in.
You very much do need a fan to ensure it dries the solids. Try going to the toilet in a bucket and see how long it takes to stink. The agitator breaks it up and dries it out; looks like peat when you empty it out. You can go longer without emptying; I know people without an agitator have to poke the contents with a stick to spread it out. Not for me! That's the difference between a composting toilet and a bucket.
@@theotherstevesteve thank for your amusing reply I have been using one without a fan or agitator and have had no trouble at all I brought mine direct from the maker who happens to moor in the same place as me and I know of six others on our mooring who have brought off of him and have yet to hear a bad word said it sounds like you have brought one of the thousand pound plus ones and your just trying to justify paying that sort of money
Interesting. If you could move the sink 6 inches to the right then you might be able to place an angled cabinet in the corner to the left of it, allowing for a bit more storage. Just a thought.
Looks good and keeping it simple will make the space look bigger . Tiled fire barrier will sort out the stove area , thought about folding doors for the bathroom ?
Being a kitchen fitter I’ve never come across a 500mm wide integrated oven before. I know you can get microwaves that are 500mm, you might want to check.
Definitely coming together and loving your videos. My only comment would be that the measurements in your bathroom looks very tight. You only have 6 possibly 9 inches between loo and basin. Difficult for anyone to sit comfortably on the loo. 😱 would you create more usable space if you did bathroom as an S shape?
I think you're going to need somewhere to hang your wet weather gear, wellies etc. and also somewhere to store lifejackets for the kids. Are you planning on deck boxes? Where are you planning on putting that enormous water tank? Under the bed? Also, instant water heater or what? I heard you say you didn't want a calorifier. Subscribed, BTW. ;o)
Good to have you on board - no calorifier as it’s an air cooled engine. The massive water tank will go under the hatch in the bow I reckon and to of cabinet will be a bench for the kids to watch out of. Yes I’ll have some lockers built in the stern cruiser it’s ample big enough. If I can afford a pram cover one day then that’ll be my wet weather area - until then no guests unless it’s summer 🤣
Have you thought of having a microwave above the oven/grill then just a smaller cupboard? Also, is there enough room to house your electric panel on the right side of the door, although thats not a bad place for wet gear? Looking great though, and thanks for the vlogs.
The thought that struck me is that galleys work best when there is a preparation area to get food ready, a cooking area, a cleaning area which is obviously the sink, and a drying area where pots can sit whilst they dry. All looks to be fine apart from the preparation area which isn't immediately obvious. Were you going to prepare food sitting at the dinette or did you have other plans?
Good observation and I was either going to use the dinette table or if I have the time and can find the parts, I’ll make a fold out counter coming out of the drawer below the hob turning it into a u-shaped galley. I could put in a work surface on the starboard side too which I’m considering for extra space, probably just coming out 40/50cms and maybe 60/80 long
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt How about the fridge under the oven, then the sink area where you have it, then turning the hob 90 degrees to form a U shaped galley (even if the hob is slightly wide and goes back over the corner cabinet)? Twin cabinet doors under the sink with access to each corner area. The heating stove gets a wider backing which might bias radiating the heat toward the bow. The big advantage is having a real workspace between the sink and hob. Storage/food pantry under the gunnels opposite as you may already be thinking.
Jeff Kogut mate, you’ve got it spot on. I definitely agree that the fridge should go under the oven - I’m not 100% on the u-shaped galley as the stove would be more eclipsed from the stern (not the end of the world though). But the more I’m thinking about it, even as I’m writing this, I’m inclining to agree with your idea. Cheers
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt One of the advantages of the u-shape is that you could have access doors into the cabinet from both sides, or a space for storage for stove fuel. By the way, my wife and I both laughed delightedly when we heard you talking about a projector. We're watching this on an inexpensive but excellent video projector in our home, and a pull-down screen would be wonderful. It can come down in front of a window or a hatch without taking up wall space all the time. Realistically, you're only likely to be watching the projector in the evenings when you're not cruising.
I would make a cabinet opposite the galley in the corner at the door, for all the technical stuff, such as inverter, electricity board, solar panel controller, battery switches. But also storage for the mooring pins and hammer, the tiller, and so on.
Danny Van Cauwenberghe a cabinet opposite the galley I reckon must happen for storage. The electrics etc I reckon should be in the tower on the left of the door as you walk in so all the gauges and switches I’ll need whilst cruising are closer to hand. You’re right though, I’ll need somewhere accessible for my mooring pins etc
@Derek Stephen won’t you have bench seats on your cruiser stern with thins like mooring pins etc? Those ideally go in outside lockers rather than inside, I’d have thought.
If there are children about maybe consider tucking the stove away in the oqqosite corner against the bathroom wall (easier to get a fire guard around if needed) and then qutting the L shaqe dinette backing onto the kitchen. Less walking for the cook too!
@@garytaylor1436 I would agree, why would anyone put them together, but if needs must. I cannot see the fridge door being left open to aloow the heat in.
Not dull - fascinating and clear drawings.
Hi James. Re bathroom have a square shower. Then you will have space between the shower and the side of the boat. Here you can have a cupboard and above it several shelves. This gives you more storage space. Useful for possible toiletries and towels. Under the cupboard fit a pump to empty the shower which in the future is easy to access and the discharge through the hull is easy to access aswell and hidden in the cupboard. Suggest a whale pump with switch in the shower. Also use the solid shower boards instead of tiling. Water proof and quicker and easier than tiling.
Only a thought, regards Simon.
Hi James Clever fella keeping the fridge away from the warm stuff ie oven ,hob , coal fire reverse layout is just perfect especiallly when one lives on tea and crisps, total respect on your work ethic and good spirits Ive stumbled late onto your project and Its keeping me entertained during our lockdown here in Austria cheers
Paul Bush glad to hear it Paul - good to have your seal of approval 👍🏼
Looks good... I know you need space for the kids, but you could maybe add some shallow cupboards/shelves on the opposite side to the sink? You'd still have room for a chair. As deep as a tin cupboard, kind of thing. It's a mighty project, whatever you do to it.
really helpful video, I have been spending hours upon hours planing layout for new boat, this makes it simpler for me to refine them . L shaped defo better imho having had a pullman on old boat
I have a small campervan and can only advise keeping things simple and straight forward. The layout needs to be right for "you". It took me 4 years of searching to find a layout that suited me. The design will evolve as you think about it and you will refine the ideas down to the final one.
All looks good to me you are so good what you can do love your videos..
Not boring at all James .As you say it's all part of the process.I don't own a boat yet so won't comment on your design as I've no idea my self but I do like the sliding door idea.
Ian Lindsay thanks - invisible sliding doors still amaze me as when I was a child
Not dull. Interesting to see your thought process.
Really enjoying this series,keep up the good/hard work!
Thanks Joe - good to have you on board
I had my stove on the angle but a couple of years ago moved it so it was facing across the boat. The amount of stuff that fell into that dead triangle behind that you couldn't get at when the stove was hot really started to annoy me. My galley floor has terracotta tiles and they extend to around the stove area. Helps when you need to plan clearances etc. Drop the stove hearth down to the base plate so the hearth itself is flush with the top floor and doesn't become a trip hazard. When the table is up you will bark your ankles on the hearth otherwise. Also have a vent in the flooring under/behind the fridge to draw cool air up from the bilges to help keep it cool. (Wish I had done this when I was fitting my boat out)
Looks good. Really coming together nicely from the first vlog. Keep truckin’... + thanks for sharing. 👍
I'm catching up. I'm aware you are nearly done. Looks great. Bit surprised putting fridge next to your stove though. Really good vlog collection showing the boats transformation - thanks for sharing.
Everything sounds great, as for the hob and the stove just extend the tile work from the stove area up and behind the hob area and kinda make it all one blended design. maybe...CHEERS
hmarc417 yeah that’s an idea to explore - the counter could “flow” down to form the stone barrier for the stove and tiles behind
19. James nothing wrong with old school gt detail on vids nice one
Great video, I love seeing how things will be fitted in :), I have a nature’s head in my tiny house and I love it, however unless you are going to compost the waste yourself I think you are better with a bucket style so you can line with a bag, the nature’s head has an agitator, which prevents this.... on one of the narrow boat experience’s vlogs, they were saying if they had to do it again they would not have gone for the nature’s head. Good luck with it all, I have just found your channel, so am catching up :)
Hi James. What a fantastic explanation of what your doing 👍🏻 What's fabulous about this build is its being done out of your head for what's best for you. Love your drawings too 😄
As mentioned below,if you can find space,a "wet locker"near the door is a good idea.somewhere for soggy coats,mooring pins and general crap we all seem to colect,though I do realise space and storage is always at a premium on a biat
This was the first video of yours I saw, have been back to the beginning and watched from episode 1 up until this point again, looking forward to seeing how it turns out! Keep up the good work
Well done. Best of luck
Cheers
If you put a 1/2 inch air space between the fireproof and the cabinet, I think it will be fine. We cut 1/2 inch pieces of copper water pipe as spacers and thru bolt it. Countersink the heads a bit to keep the tile flat. Great layout work John
Mark Kasprzak good to know, glad you approve of the layout
I think the airgap between the fireproof backing and the wall, is part of the installation regs.
simons3000 yes I was thinking it could tell me with the stove info when I get it
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt I would have thought the stove suppliers would have the full fitting information.a few calculations for cabin volume and airflow/ventilation as well as fitting instructions. I believe a silica based board is used as a backing,not too expensive if I remember rightly
Btw.im not an installer,just very aware that if you get critical installs wrong (like gas or anything that produces co),then the results can be devastating
cracking mate, best of luck.
Not sure if you got the toilet yet I'm yet to go throug all vidoes, but if you can get the nature's head ( if your Budget allows you to, id go for it I've herd they are good ) also it's definitely not dull it's a very informative vidoe.. maybe more like this to show your concepts it's very helpful to picture your boat like it now, rather then just going over here is going to be the bedroom and that.. ( pointing )
Have you thought of putting the stove/fire backing onto the shower wall?
And turning the dinette around?
i was thinking the same. instead of an L shape dinette have a pullman dinett next to the oven/galley, and then the fire in the corner backing onto the shower room ??
yes sounds good remember to spread the weight as evenly as you can stops the boat leaning either way.
Great vlog👍. I was thinking flipping the multi-fuel and dinette around too. Not that your design isn’t good and well thought out, however this way you would have your multi-fuel in an even more central location, you would still have the chilling looking out the other hatch scenario and option for a U-shaped galley giving more base unit storage/counter space. Also the fridge may have to work a little harder in those cold months when the fire is lit closer to the stove. Screen for projector could then drop down between hatch and window at the 6ft and 12ft mark. Great vlogs you’re producing James and very informative indeed👌
@Chris G good point Chris, mind you I was also thinking with a sub 50ft narrowboat it will heat up quite quickly with the fire in either location. Also the fire could go on the port side of the bulkhead facing the stern leaving space for the tv/projector screen in the corner?
James, don't be modest about your drawing skills. It's informal, so it's fine. It does and include the odd mistake, but we've all been there.
A small potential issue with having the hob right next to the 'wall' separating the kitchen from the stove is having somewhere for pan handles to go when they're on the right hand rings.
Have you thought of fitting electric underfloor heating on your boat, Then at least if your hooked up in a Marina over winter possibly you can just plug your boat into the mains and not burn so much coal and wood , less dust particulates, by the way loving your blogs
John B now that’s an idea!!
Hi another good vlog just thought I might say that the angle of the side on a boat is called the "Tumblehome" as for your fit out plans I personally would make the dinette slightly different to your plan first thing not to have it raised second thing is to make two settees 2ftx4ft free standing then a table 2ftx4ft with this set up you can have a L shape or a Pullman or any other way you like and still turn into a double bed.The main thing is don't fix the table to the floor it will turn into your worst nightmare.As for a toilet buy the cheapest dry toilet you can find they are as good as any thousand pound one they do not need a fan you don't get any smells avoid buying one with any sort of mixing device this means you have to tip from the toilet to a bag before you put in the bins.There is a Facebook site on dry toilets that has loads of info you might be interested in.
You very much do need a fan to ensure it dries the solids. Try going to the toilet in a bucket and see how long it takes to stink. The agitator breaks it up and dries it out; looks like peat when you empty it out. You can go longer without emptying; I know people without an agitator have to poke the contents with a stick to spread it out. Not for me! That's the difference between a composting toilet and a bucket.
@@theotherstevesteve thank for your amusing reply I have been using one without a fan or agitator and have had no trouble at all I brought mine direct from the maker who happens to moor in the same place as me and I know of six others on our mooring who have brought off of him and have yet to hear a bad word said it sounds like you have brought one of the thousand pound plus ones and your just trying to justify paying that sort of money
Interesting. If you could move the sink 6 inches to the right then you might be able to place an angled cabinet in the corner to the left of it, allowing for a bit more storage. Just a thought.
Looks good and keeping it simple will make the space look bigger . Tiled fire barrier will sort out the stove area , thought about folding doors for the bathroom ?
Being a kitchen fitter I’ve never come across a 500mm wide integrated oven before. I know you can get microwaves that are 500mm, you might want to check.
Rob Moss you worried me there !! Here’s one I’m looking at less than 500 wide
www.jonesboatchandlery.co.uk/spinflo-duplex-oven-and-grill
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt sorry James I didn’t mean to worry you. This is useful information thanks.
Definitely coming together and loving your videos. My only comment would be that the measurements in your bathroom looks very tight. You only have 6 possibly 9 inches between loo and basin. Difficult for anyone to sit comfortably on the loo. 😱 would you create more usable space if you did bathroom as an S shape?
I think you're going to need somewhere to hang your wet weather gear, wellies etc. and also somewhere to store lifejackets for the kids. Are you planning on deck boxes? Where are you planning on putting that enormous water tank? Under the bed? Also, instant water heater or what? I heard you say you didn't want a calorifier.
Subscribed, BTW. ;o)
Good to have you on board - no calorifier as it’s an air cooled engine. The massive water tank will go under the hatch in the bow I reckon and to of cabinet will be a bench for the kids to watch out of. Yes I’ll have some lockers built in the stern cruiser it’s ample big enough. If I can afford a pram cover one day then that’ll be my wet weather area - until then no guests unless it’s summer 🤣
Have you thought of having a microwave above the oven/grill then just a smaller cupboard?
Also, is there enough room to house your electric panel on the right side of the door, although thats not a bad place for wet gear? Looking great though, and thanks for the vlogs.
I probably won’t have a microwave on board as they drain energy and I’ll be 100% battery power
The thought that struck me is that galleys work best when there is a preparation area to get food ready, a cooking area, a cleaning area which is obviously the sink, and a drying area where pots can sit whilst they dry. All looks to be fine apart from the preparation area which isn't immediately obvious. Were you going to prepare food sitting at the dinette or did you have other plans?
Good observation and I was either going to use the dinette table or if I have the time and can find the parts, I’ll make a fold out counter coming out of the drawer below the hob turning it into a u-shaped galley. I could put in a work surface on the starboard side too which I’m considering for extra space, probably just coming out 40/50cms and maybe 60/80 long
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt How about the fridge under the oven, then the sink area where you have it, then turning the hob 90 degrees to form a U shaped galley (even if the hob is slightly wide and goes back over the corner cabinet)? Twin cabinet doors under the sink with access to each corner area. The heating stove gets a wider backing which might bias radiating the heat toward the bow. The big advantage is having a real workspace between the sink and hob. Storage/food pantry under the gunnels opposite as you may already be thinking.
Jeff Kogut mate, you’ve got it spot on. I definitely agree that the fridge should go under the oven - I’m not 100% on the u-shaped galley as the stove would be more eclipsed from the stern (not the end of the world though). But the more I’m thinking about it, even as I’m writing this, I’m inclining to agree with your idea. Cheers
@@TheNarrowboatThatJamesBuilt One of the advantages of the u-shape is that you could have access doors into the cabinet from both sides, or a space for storage for stove fuel.
By the way, my wife and I both laughed delightedly when we heard you talking about a projector. We're watching this on an inexpensive but excellent video projector in our home, and a pull-down screen would be wonderful. It can come down in front of a window or a hatch without taking up wall space all the time. Realistically, you're only likely to be watching the projector in the evenings when you're not cruising.
Watch "Cruising The cut" video on the thermal barrier he used between his fire and cupboard. That could be an option?
Steven Newell yes but his is rather ugly looking
Try and find a link for HETAS regulations.should give all the information for a safe installation
my bathroom is in the area where the bedroom is have a window where the hatch is at the front
Hi I wouldn't put your electricity panel or fuse board anywhere near the cooker or stove
yeah bit concerning having the fridge near the fire is there no where else it can go?
Hi James, where is your boiler going!
I would make a cabinet opposite the galley in the corner at the door, for all the technical stuff, such as inverter, electricity board, solar panel controller, battery switches. But also storage for the mooring pins and hammer, the tiller, and so on.
Danny Van Cauwenberghe a cabinet opposite the galley I reckon must happen for storage. The electrics etc I reckon should be in the tower on the left of the door as you walk in so all the gauges and switches I’ll need whilst cruising are closer to hand. You’re right though, I’ll need somewhere accessible for my mooring pins etc
@Derek Stephen won’t you have bench seats on your cruiser stern with thins like mooring pins etc? Those ideally go in outside lockers rather than inside, I’d have thought.
Maybe put the drawers at the end and move the fridge along
If there are children about maybe consider tucking the stove away in the oqqosite corner against the bathroom wall (easier to get a fire guard around if needed) and then qutting the L shaqe dinette backing onto the kitchen. Less walking for the cook too!
That’s been suggested a few times - for me though I would like have the dinette opposite the hatch
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The fridge will be working hard because the fire has a tremendous heat on the area next to it
that is not how fridges work.
@@liamramshaw2535 I do know how a fridge worked and any kitchen fitter does not fit ovens or in this case fires next to cold units
@@garytaylor1436 I would agree, why would anyone put them together, but if needs must. I cannot see the fridge door being left open to aloow the heat in.
Would you like for me to send you an Imperial tape measure?
Mark Kasprzak that’s kind of you but my tape has imperial measurements so I’m fine thanks