I have used air assisted airless since the 80’s. The hvlp with the big hose and larger gun size is more clumsy going into cabinet shelves than the g40 with two skinny joined hoses and small gun into cabinets. These guys only seem to use these small orifice 10 thousandth tips for acrylic paint. Numerous times they claim to use a 310 tip with very high airless pressure like 2900. The graco reps never advise using such A small orifice unless it’s clear lacquer or thinned oil base enamel, probably thinned with a hotter solvent like naphtha. The fine finish system was designed for efficiency. Use a larger orifice since the pressure for a fflp tip is half the normal psi on an airless pump around 1000- 1200 psi Very little overspray with amazing paint transfer efficiency. Hvlp full acrylics require thinning the paint a lot more than air assisted airless spraying Don’t be afraid to get more speed for production and use a 414 fflp tip in the air assisted tip guard. The guys used a 10 thousandth tip size and said it was slow. Sometimes to compromise, you will get a super finish with the 414 slightly more added air to atomize but get more speed and production with closer to package consistency viscosity of your acrylics, less chance of runs in closed environments and more paint mil coverage. Sometimes people will get mislead and listen to guys like these that say “ but this is what we do “ they have been stuck using small tip sizes with super high fluid psi to get a heavy viscosity unthinned paint to squeeze it thru a tiny orifice , and are finally looking at this new approach Since we have known about air assisted in the 80’s .I have all the guns from binks, Wagner and graco. I have 42 yrs as a painting contractor Spraying anything you can imagine. Keep an open mind you painters just starting out, graco fflt low pressure tips are fantastic
I've been in business since '95 and am still learning! Thanks for your input. I am in the middle of a cabinet job and am shooting Dunn Edwards Enduracat. Ive always used my HVLP but tried a 410 fflp with my airless. The fflp sprayed the BIN Shallac primer absolutely flawlessly, but the Enduracat, not so much. It would be great for baseboards and doors and jams but too much spitting for cabinets. On the HVLP, I got perfect atomization but a few runs and sags here and there. It sounds like you are saying I can get the same atomization without thinning or with little thinning thereby achieving a much better build without the runs, well, barring a bad burrito for lunch! Lol! Anyway, my question is, when considering a finished job, is there any observable difference between the two setups? If not, i'm saving up for the air assisted 395. Thanks!
I have this exact machine and actually just purchased a second one. I use it for my doors and trim on new construction and it leaves a very nice finish. We always get compliments and asked how our doors look so good.
I have been using an ultra 395 and a 2cfm compressor with graco g40 Gun for years now. My gun uses flat tips not switch, I think this is an important difference as my air cap and tips are very different . My version of the g40 gun is marketed to industry and large scale wood finishing. The switch tip seems to be for the professional wall painter. With the rite set up you can spray anything as fast as a straight airless and with 30-40% less paint. I’m a finisher and usually use my Sata pressure fed hvlp guns for most fine finish jobs mainly because of clean up, and speed of material changes. but for big jobs there’s nothing like air assisted airless. I actually mostly paint entire interiors and paint exteriors with mine. The last job I did was a 2300 squ ft 2 story house. Existing paint was in good shape. I did 3 coats tinted fresh start, 2 coats ultra spec I was using 1/4 turn on fluid presser air pressure at 15psi 617tip . Total paint use 4gal primer 7 gal finish. Masking and painting done solo in 1.5 days. Also you can spray at such lower pressure than airless that often you don’t have to mask as much if at all and your masking stays put. Thanks for the vid guys but maybe play around some more with it and ask grace to send you the g40 that takes flat tips. There’s nothing better for me than not running out of paint and it’s great for our world. Think if you had 30% of the money back you have spent on paint or the time you spent to go back to the store or if the stack of paint in your garage wasn’t there.
Bill Redding I noticed that he was using the air assist with an fflp tip. I thought you only use the air assist if your using the flat tip set up? If your using the traditional airless tip you just use the machine like a regular airless. I’m I correct?
We are a commercial painting company in Honolulu and we use this sprayer to apply PPG Breakthrough Clear Satin and Gloss...As you may know, this product dries to fast to apply by brush.Breakthrough is our go-to product for most any surfaces. Thanks for the review.
Hey Ed, your mention of Breakthrough caught my attention, I'm a cabinet painter here in Austin, are you using the clear satin & gloss as a top coat over waterborne enamels? I haven't been top coating my work as of yet, but am looking to start, I want to make my work to be more resistent to household cleaners.
Gotta say - been a pro painter 35 years: The Idaho Painter knows his stuff and I like the way he treats the guys. Nice review. Was thinking of buying this sprayer. Not any more. Stick to my airless. Augment with a reliable HVLP
I’ve used it with latex on doors and trim packages on new construction, lacquer (colored and clear ) on cabinets . Great sprayer on trim ,doors etc where you have lots sqft to cover. Provides beautiful finish .Choice of having air provided to gun is a great option.Start To Finnish Painting Lopez Island Wa
I have been painting since 1979. I agree with the airless for the interior trim comments. I have used small double orifice tips to spray everything from enamel to hundreds of gallons of old fashioned lacquer. I am sure my liver does not miss those days. That being said. I just got the 595 air assisted from Graco. Mainly to spray Protectosil anti graffiti. " We do a lot of schools." I will try to use the air assisted to spray 2 component solvent based urethane for some steel railings. The conventional works, but is slow. The airless even with the small tip is prone to runs. I can pull it off, but the younger guys are struggling with it, and I don't want to spend all summer spraying at schools. My hope is the new pump will hit somewhere in the middle between speed and runs. Gotta work the bugs out of all the new toys before I can put in my two cents.
Hi from Australia, great work mate! I use a Wagner air assisted airless with a flat tip, just for doors and trims absolutely love it, also I use oil based paints that’s where I think those units excel just enough control and speed for me ,I’ve only played around with the unit with water based enamel I didn’t see much of and advantage but that was with the reversible tip and air cap, I normally use 09/40 flat tip , 1000psi fluid pressure and 2bar air pressure on full open fan, when fan closed I drop air pressure to around 1bar because it distorts the spray pattern , I also thin the oil based with enamel thinners normally around 20% that works for my set up .
I love my Fujispray HVLP, but they aren’t practical for large jobs. Interesting concept in this model. Do you guys use Floetrol and how do you think a regular airless with Floetrol would compare to this unit without?
Looks like a pump I could dig using as I don't like HVLP because of the "fog" they produce . Did you get any "spitting" from the triggering? How would you compare it to a conventional sprayer Such as a cup gun and/or pressure pot? (automotive air)
Arthur Morehead you dont get spits with this gun when you have the compressor running, only when you switch the gun to a normal airless, thats when you get spits if your gun packings are either bad or when you are using an extension on the gun itlsef.
Wow that’s a badass machine. Plus gun the g15 and g40 is what I want to invest in but I’ll have to check pricing. Till then I have a pressure pot set up 1.2 bar
You need to convert that gun to the flat tip setup. It comes with a flat tip conversion kit. It will give you a way finer finish. If you own this pump and are not using the flat tip you are not using it to its full potential.
Ben Nelson fine finish. Graco has ruined the fine finish reversible tips. After all these yrs. Made me have grey hair. I shoot an acrylic on my trim now. I still used flat tips to shoot lac and so on. I spent some time on the phone with graco with no real answer to the reversible fft. Some things are better left alone.
Why do I love watching how to videos and informative videos like this but yet I DONT PAINT FOR A LIVING! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Im just a dad who likes “attempting” to fix things. I break more often than I fix
big question. I do lots of renovations. I use a 395 with a little hopper to pour single gallons of promar 200 oil into. I spray a lot of doors, baseboards, and molding. Nothing else. The machine only sees oil paint, never latex, I have a 440 for latex. I am looking to get the new highboy 490. Would you recommend this? I have had bad luck with HVLP. For the extra money is the air assisted worth the money. Regards, Ben
yes it does, its basically a 395 airless with the compressor added so you dont need to spray at such a high psi, with the added bonus of it spraying a finer finish with the flat tips
it still runs to fast for cabinets unless you have big doors . think of it as a finer finishing airless . \it's doesn't have the control that pressure pot system has
Im looking into this system for site finishing/touch up of millwork. Currently I lug around a 30 gallon 5 hp compressor to run a Kremlin AA 10:1 pump with a Kremlin ExCite gun. I like the idea of consolidating both pieces of equipment into one lighter smaller portable rig. I would like to know how well this compressor handles condensation? Does it put out much moisture in humid weather? Does it have a built in water separator? I would also like to know if the little compressor can keep up with spraying out full wall panel? I often have to re-coat large areas of pre-finished wainscot, trim, panels, etc... My 30 gallon can keep up with the AA gun in most instances, cant imagine a little 2 gallon tank can do the job. Can anyone with real life experience comment please.
Guess I'd also like to know if anyone has run a different gun on this rig, like say the Kremlin Excite i currently run? Would the compressor handle the cfm requirements of other makes of guns? Im seeing in comments here that there are some complaints of spitting and other pattern issues. Makes me wonder if its the gun and tips, or the pump/compressor, or operator.... Im stuck on the compressor being undersized for all day spray jobs.
Too many painters will not try very hard to make a new tool work. Way too soon they will go back to how they were doing it and give up trying to figure out why the new thing might be better. I remember when hand maskers 1st came out. Our Boss brought out 5 of them to a good sized job we were on. I was still an apprentice. The older painter could not be bothered with the bosses new plastic thingy's. I grabbed one after a couple of days, and masked of all the base in the upstairs in a day. This was a 9000 foot home. Within a month every painter I knew, had one.
If using just as airless, does the air hose need to be attached to gun? Also, assuming able to spray any material too(stains, acrylic, latex, lacquer, etc.... Does it use only Graco tips, or able to use any tips as long as correct size for machine? Does this hook up to garden hose like other Graco airless sprayers (x5/9 etc....) for easy cleanup afterwards? If using totally airless, how is the overspray etc.... Lot of material in air, still need breather? Thx for the vid Cheers, A
for make the advantage would be to not have to thin my product and not have to carry around a quart of paint on my gun. That's why this product was made . Its probable slower than an airless but as you can see not much over spray.
I have the Graco 9.5 HVLP and the 395 airless assisted, you are missing the big difference why to use air assisted (with a flat tip), almost the same finish but faster and the air assisted is rated at 1095 gal per year and the HVLP at 50 gal per year.
What brush would you recommend for painting trim and doors for the smoothest finish? Also what roller cover and nap would you use for painting doors? Thanks for all the great vids:)
Hi Chris, I couldn’t find the video that this question relates to so I’m just posting here. I tried using the “big stretch” caulk for the first time, painted my first coat of Killz primer and all of the primer cracked on top of the caulk. Do you think this is due to the primer I used or just because the caulk moves so much. I was pretty bummed out when this happened, now I have to strip it all and redo it with a different caulk and re-prime. Any help is greatly appreciated.learning as I go, great videos. - mike
I had one of those air assisted sprayers and sold it within months.The air holes kept clogging with paint so I bought an airless 395 instead. The gun is nice but the airless tip you still use is what ruins it. They need to redesign the gun with a needle and seat like an HVLP gun and have larger air holes at the cap.
Flood floetrol may help. I had the same issues with my handheld electric hvlp and it made all the difference in the world. I had actually got so frustrated I tgrew the gun in the trash then watched a few vids on the floetrol and dug it back out when I got to work the next day. I keep a gallon of that stuff on me all the time now.
@@carlcox7332 How do you determine how much floetrol to add? I’ve read that it helps a lot to prevent drips & dries longer. HD has it under a different name. Seems like it’s the same product.
Im nearly to give up. Got 695 graco but spraying trim or doors doesn't work. Fine filters on both ends, if the pressur is to low, im getting side rails, adj more pressure, but not tomuch, and it clogs, stops, have to reverse tip, same thing every few seconds. Afraid to use on doors as it will make more damaged then good. Helpppp. Im using green 310 ff tip, new seals everywhere. Paint not dilutd. ( dulax aquaenamel).
Did you buy it used? I bought a 395 used and had to run a cup of denatured alcohol to a gallon of water on my last flush when cleaning it and you wouldn't believe how much more paint started coming out after I thought it was clean. I haven't checked to see how clean the hoses were inside after the DA but it has to be better.
I don't understand why this machine would be considerably slower than a regular airless. Wouldn't it go just about as fast as a regular airless with a larger tip. After all for high quality trim that you have a lot of prep into, you will probably be using smaller tips anyway, would't you?
OK, I'll just have to try one. I not sure about Idaho's regulations, here in Salt Lake City all paints sold have low VOC requirements. I used to pride myself on my spayed trim and doors. Not so much any more. Latex enamels do not flow and in some cases they don't even blend, just leaving minute patterns not quite filled. Thinning doesn't help, The best finishes have a fine orange peal. I'm wondering if an air assisted airless would do a better finish. Holding an HVLP cup gun all day doesn't sound like fun. @@Idahopainter
My last job I used a couple of FFLP tips with Sherwin Williams Emerald. Pressure at half. Came out beautifully. Just like the older high end water borne finishes.
I've been going through your vids trying to find out what paint you guys use for trim. I know you guys use duration as a base line, but wasn't sure how you guys feel about Pro Classic or even that newer Interior/exterior Emerald.
Paint Life TV I've been painting for 13 years in Virginia beach and Richmond, and never seen a person use Solo before, you've blown my mind. thanks for the reply, I'm gonna try that stuff out now
I paint the old fashioned way with brush and rollers. I never used a sprayer, isnt it alot more work taping everything and putting plastic to catch the overspray?
It also depends what type of finish you want to have , I wouldn't brush and roll that fireplace mantle because it wouldn't look nice , masking is 80% of the painting job the rest is quick spray and clean up, that's my experience and yes I do brush and roll most of the time, depending on the project budget as well
Use the biggest Rol-Air portable compressor available with a CA. Technology pressure tank and a Sata K3 with a 1.5 nozzle. Better than automotive finish….most cars have some orange peel.
@@Idahopainter Pro painter here seems you can jimmy rig one of these together if you didn't want to drop 8 grand on a weak sprayer . I own one of these pro finish seems the most important attachment is the gun . im a air hog so i would use a 5 hp 20 gal tank comp . get a gun and hose attachment from graco having the switch tip system mis a big plus / also use a 490 if you plan on using for heavy work. . used it for spraying ceiling with no dog tail where i start and stop witch is a bonus for picky ceiling painting inspectors
Airless assisted to spray water-based paints (trim, doors etc)? I can`t get any water based trim paint go through hvlp (gravity), manufacturer doesn`t recommend paint to be diluted more like 10% volume.... More control while spraying? thx to rex jones for inspiring :) good luck everyone!
If your hvlp only has gravity feed, then get a pressure cup for it to spray the thicker stuff. If it doesnt have a port on the side, you may want to upgrade to a better hvlp that has been tested and designed for thicker paints. Typiclly, you would see 4 or 5 diffrent hvlp guns in a spray shop some as many as 10 depending on the wood shops specality. Most good hvlp brands have a chart that is based on viscosity of the paint that you are using. My apollo has tips up to 2.2mm. The bigest hold back is the amount of air you might need for heavy paints. 1. Find out how much air you can send through your gun, 2. Find out the vescosity of your paint. 3. Adjust your paint to your guns tip size and air limit to keep production up. You can also thin the paint as needed to maximize flow or adjust setting times etc. You can always shoot through a slightly smaller tip but you loose speed.
It's a nice pump but Titan has a better one. The Titan one I use that my boss has works awesome and love it. Hope you guys enjoy it and use it a lot. Titan to me makes a better all around product. Just my opinion.
ajo lote not that one. My boss has the 695 air assisted pump. It's the big boy and it's a great reliable spray pump. We use it a lot. We use it without the air when doing regular spray jobs like spraying ceilings, priming houses and also spraying bodies on exteriors. I highly recommend the Titan 695 air assisted spray pump. I have never been a fan of Graco spray pumps. I think a lot has to do with the way I was taught from my old man, who painted for 35yrs before he passed away last year. Another painter I know had 2 Graco airless spray pumps and both shit the bed on him in less than a year. One of them the housing cracked where the piston is and the other one had problem after problem. The one that cracked was the Graco Pro X19 which was $700+ and the other one was Graco Magnum X7 which was $349. I have had my Titan 660 for 20yrs now, which was my Dads and has many many hours of spraying and the only thing that it has had done was being repacked once in a while. They don't make the 660 anymore and haven't for years but it's a great dependable spray pump. I'm a Titan fan and always will be. They make a better product hands down. If I were you and you are in the market for a spray pump buy a Titan and you won't be disappointed.
Jeff Froment x19 and x7 are not even worth mentioning or even comparing to a titan 695, x19 and x7 are for homeowners who dont know any better and sold in home depot which should tell you enough. all that said, I love titans, I have 3 of them but the main reasons why I like titans are, easier to fix, cheaper to fix and reliable machines if you take care of them, or not. lol, graco are just to loud for me and expensive to maintain.
Jeff Froment I’ve had a Graco Ultimate 490 on wheels, for 10 years now and all I’ve had to do is repack the seals. I replaced the piston at that same time because it was scored up from not using enough Throat Seal Liquid. Anyway, just like any manufacturer of any product, Graco makes economy pumps, and heavier duty ones. Any of those pumps you find at your local Lowe’s or Home Depot aren’t meant for daily use, more like moderate to minimal.
Air assisted airless vs airless vs hvlp is that the air assisted airless is going to be the most efficient system. Airless will blow way more product into the air and hvlp will be better than a airless with the most control but it too will waste more product. As of now the Kremlin airmix is the best gun available and no hvlp can compare
Save it for laquers, stains and clear coats. The housings are $80 a pop, and they clog after 3-5 gallons, then constantly need to be maintained after. Total pain. The new FFT tips made these machines irrelevant for latex oil or hybrid millwork top coat. But, because the gun comes with a flat tip conversion, these machines are the bee's knees for cabinet refinishing.
@@Idahopainter I couldn't agree more! I have the 395 finish pro 1 and Graco has made the G90 that came with it obsolete. Parts are really expensive too! I have never been able to spray with out the tip becoming a mess. The newest FFT by Graco in my opinion has made the Air Assist part not worth it.
I'm sorry but what painter besides an automotive one uses an hvlp constantly? I only use hvlps for 2 part paints where I dont want to ruin my airless packings and hose, I dont ever use an hvlp or turbine sprayers for latex or oils, its just not worth the time it takes to dilute the products, an airless assist is the way to go if you are looking for that extra edge in fine finish, its not meant to replace your airless, even though it can be used as one. alot they didnt say in this video, they should have study the product more to give better information. pretty bad review in my opinion, I bet graco wants they're sprayer back, lol
Hey boss great work I'm a big fan of you alls work 😁 I have a question, I run a painting company in south texas, I know the price on painting goes by square footage or surface area, but i was recently asked to quote on painting beams on metal buildings and porches, I know there is diffrent factors that play a role and it differs by state or area but how would u approach a quote like this??
Be very very careful. This unit will SPIT!! A Surge of paint glob all over your surfaces. Even if you switch to a Flat Tip which you should it will still spit. Many many have complained of this including me. I still use my pump and love the lightweight gun but its got issues. Keep a toothbrush and some water to clean air holes on gun to help prevent the speits.
What... Airless is the newest technology. Why go back to air? Lot of painters get flats from nails on construction sites. The built in air compresser can help with that.
Hey, when you guys go into other peoples houses or restaurants or even hotels do you find yourself feeling the wood work? Lol I’m guilty ! “It’d been a lot smoother if I did it !” Ha
thats pretty slow,ive been using airless for over 35 years and do have hvlp but hardly use the hvlp,the right tip 409 and the right paint and you can get just as good a finish in more than half the time. it looks good tho
Graco does NOT always have great quality as stated. That statement tells me everything about your credibility and knowledge of painting. I have learned a lot from you but that statement was disappointing. You need to read the reviews on Graco products and customer service. Other than that, I like your channel.
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I have used air assisted airless since the 80’s. The hvlp with the big hose and larger gun size is more clumsy going into cabinet shelves
than the g40 with two skinny joined hoses and small gun into cabinets. These guys only seem to use these small orifice 10 thousandth tips
for acrylic paint. Numerous times they claim to use a 310 tip with very high airless pressure like 2900. The graco reps never advise using such
A small orifice unless it’s clear lacquer or thinned oil base enamel, probably thinned with a hotter solvent like naphtha. The fine finish system was designed for efficiency. Use a larger orifice since the pressure for a fflp tip is half the normal psi on an airless pump around 1000- 1200 psi
Very little overspray with amazing paint transfer efficiency. Hvlp full acrylics require thinning the paint a lot more than air assisted airless spraying
Don’t be afraid to get more speed for production and use a 414 fflp tip in the air assisted tip guard. The guys used a 10 thousandth tip size and said it was slow. Sometimes to compromise, you will get a super finish with the 414 slightly more added air to atomize but get more speed
and production with closer to package consistency viscosity of your acrylics, less chance of runs in closed environments and more paint mil coverage. Sometimes people will get mislead and listen to guys like these that say “ but this is what we do “ they have been stuck using small tip sizes with super high fluid psi to get a heavy viscosity unthinned paint to squeeze it thru a tiny orifice , and are finally looking at this new approach
Since we have known about air assisted in the 80’s .I have all the guns from binks, Wagner and graco. I have 42 yrs as a painting contractor
Spraying anything you can imagine. Keep an open mind you painters just starting out, graco fflt low pressure tips are fantastic
carl ewa any tips on aaa I have the 595 but the tip guard gets glogged very fast ??
Fantastic advice. Thanks for the tips
You are the paint god
I've been in business since '95 and am still learning! Thanks for your input. I am in the middle of a cabinet job and am shooting Dunn Edwards Enduracat. Ive always used my HVLP but tried a 410 fflp with my airless. The fflp sprayed the BIN Shallac primer absolutely flawlessly, but the Enduracat, not so much. It would be great for baseboards and doors and jams but too much spitting for cabinets.
On the HVLP, I got perfect atomization but a few runs and sags here and there.
It sounds like you are saying I can get the same atomization without thinning or with little thinning thereby achieving a much better build without the runs, well, barring a bad burrito for lunch! Lol!
Anyway, my question is, when considering a finished job, is there any observable difference between the two setups? If not, i'm saving up for the air assisted 395.
Thanks!
I have this exact machine and actually just purchased a second one. I use it for my doors and trim on new construction and it leaves a very nice finish. We always get compliments and asked how our doors look so good.
Well I suppose if you don't have a place for it. I will be willing to pay the shipping to get it to my door. Thanks guys
I have been using an ultra 395 and a 2cfm compressor with graco g40 Gun for years now. My gun uses flat tips not switch, I think this is an important difference as my air cap and tips are very different . My version of the g40 gun is marketed to industry and large scale wood finishing. The switch tip seems to be for the professional wall painter. With the rite set up you can spray anything as fast as a straight airless and with 30-40% less paint. I’m a finisher and usually use my Sata pressure fed hvlp guns for most fine finish jobs mainly because of clean up, and speed of material changes. but for big jobs there’s nothing like air assisted airless. I actually mostly paint entire interiors and paint exteriors with mine. The last job I did was a 2300 squ ft 2 story house. Existing paint was in good shape. I did 3 coats tinted fresh start, 2 coats ultra spec I was using 1/4 turn on fluid presser air pressure at 15psi 617tip . Total paint use 4gal primer 7 gal finish. Masking and painting done solo in 1.5 days. Also you can spray at such lower pressure than airless that often you don’t have to mask as much if at all and your masking stays put. Thanks for the vid guys but maybe play around some more with it and ask grace to send you the g40 that takes flat tips. There’s nothing better for me than not running out of paint and it’s great for our world. Think if you had 30% of the money back you have spent on paint or the time you spent to go back to the store or if the stack of paint in your garage wasn’t there.
Bill Redding I noticed that he was using the air assist with an fflp tip. I thought you only use the air assist if your using the flat tip set up? If your using the traditional airless tip you just use the machine like a regular airless. I’m I correct?
You put five coats on an exterior where most people put one? And so few gallons total for five coats? I've got arthritis just thinking about it
We are a commercial painting company in Honolulu and we use this sprayer to apply PPG Breakthrough Clear Satin and Gloss...As you may know, this product dries to fast to apply by brush.Breakthrough is our go-to product for most any surfaces. Thanks for the review.
Yes, thanks for sharing Ed!
Hey Ed, your mention of Breakthrough caught my attention, I'm a cabinet painter here in Austin, are you using the clear satin & gloss as a top coat over waterborne enamels? I haven't been top coating my work as of yet, but am looking to start, I want to make my work to be more resistent to household cleaners.
Huge fan of master John such a great attitude!
Master John appreciates the support, thanks for watching!
Gotta say - been a pro painter 35 years: The Idaho Painter knows his stuff and I like the way he treats the guys.
Nice review. Was thinking of buying this sprayer. Not any more. Stick to my airless. Augment with a reliable HVLP
He wasn’t using it to its full potential.
@@busybee5621 interesting. Have you had better results? Cuz anything that reduces overspray and waste is worth considering, I’d say
I’ve used it with latex on doors and trim packages on new construction, lacquer (colored and clear ) on cabinets . Great sprayer on trim ,doors etc where you have lots sqft to cover. Provides beautiful finish .Choice of having air provided to gun is a great option.Start To Finnish Painting Lopez Island Wa
I have been painting since 1979. I agree with the airless for the interior trim comments. I have used small double orifice tips to spray everything from enamel to hundreds of gallons of old fashioned lacquer. I am sure my liver does not miss those days. That being said. I just got the 595 air assisted from Graco. Mainly to spray Protectosil anti graffiti. " We do a lot of schools." I will try to use the air assisted to spray 2 component solvent based urethane for some steel railings. The conventional works, but is slow. The airless even with the small tip is prone to runs. I can pull it off, but the younger guys are struggling with it, and I don't want to spend all summer spraying at schools. My hope is the new pump will hit somewhere in the middle between speed and runs. Gotta work the bugs out of all the new toys before I can put in my two cents.
Hi from Australia, great work mate! I use a Wagner air assisted airless with a flat tip, just for doors and trims absolutely love it, also I use oil based paints that’s where I think those units excel just enough control and speed for me ,I’ve only played around with the unit with water based enamel I didn’t see much of and advantage but that was with the reversible tip and air cap, I normally use 09/40 flat tip , 1000psi fluid pressure and 2bar air pressure on full open fan, when fan closed I drop air pressure to around 1bar because it distorts the spray pattern , I also thin the oil based with enamel thinners normally around 20% that works for my set up .
Artie6937 I like Wagner gm4700 spray with red aircap . Over spray minimal. The new cage filters are good.
I haven’t sprayed oil/alkyd based since the 90s, sometimes I miss the old Benjamin Moore Satin Impervo !
Thx guys for the feedback
I got the 595 taking a back seat to my hvlp lately...btw that g40 is the best gun
I've got the opportunity to get one of these for 150. Pump needs replaced. Getting the new parts with it. Your thoughts?
I love my Fujispray HVLP, but they aren’t practical for large jobs. Interesting concept in this model. Do you guys use Floetrol and how do you think a regular airless with Floetrol would compare to this unit without?
Awesome video, great team!!!
Thank you!
Looks like a pump I could dig using as I don't like HVLP because of the "fog" they produce . Did you get any "spitting" from the triggering? How would you compare it to a conventional sprayer Such as a cup gun and/or pressure pot? (automotive air)
Arthur Morehead you dont get spits with this gun when you have the compressor running, only when you switch the gun to a normal airless, thats when you get spits if your gun packings are either bad or when you are using an extension on the gun itlsef.
Are you spaying the fireplace mantel with oil based enamel, or latex? Also, can you spray Laquer with this pump and spray gun?
@@simrandevgun Thats a good point - the lacquers or solvents etc. Nice not to have to clean the hose and pump.
Wow that’s a badass machine. Plus gun the g15 and g40 is what I want to invest in but I’ll have to check pricing. Till then I have a pressure pot set up 1.2 bar
You need to convert that gun to the flat tip setup. It comes with a flat tip conversion kit. It will give you a way finer finish. If you own this pump and are not using the flat tip you are not using it to its full potential.
Thanks for sharing Ben!
Ben Nelson fine finish. Graco has ruined the fine finish reversible tips. After all these yrs. Made me have grey hair. I shoot an acrylic on my trim now. I still used flat tips to shoot lac and so on. I spent some time on the phone with graco with no real answer to the reversible fft. Some things are better left alone.
its already a fine finish gun, stop the nonsense lol
John Erhardt the graco comes with both already, the reversible tip and flat tip conversion. its included in the package
Ben Nelson we have been using the 595 finish pro since they came out. The hundred dollar flat tops are the only way to go
Why do I love watching how to videos and informative videos like this but yet I DONT PAINT FOR A LIVING! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Im just a dad who likes “attempting” to fix things. I break more often than I fix
big question. I do lots of renovations. I use a 395 with a little hopper to pour single gallons of promar 200 oil into. I spray a lot of doors, baseboards, and molding. Nothing else. The machine only sees oil paint, never latex, I have a 440 for latex. I am looking to get the new highboy 490. Would you recommend this? I have had bad luck with HVLP. For the extra money is the air assisted worth the money.
Regards,
Ben
can I use it for workshop .and this pumpe need compressor or not ? and when we talk about quality of finishing it give a very good quality or no
I got 595 version and the compressor won't turn off when spraying. What's the issue pal ?
Prime valve?
Does this assisted airless handle thicker viscosity finishes than an hvlp sytem?
yes it does, its basically a 395 airless with the compressor added so you dont need to spray at such a high psi, with the added bonus of it spraying a finer finish with the flat tips
good stuff guys ,
Sound like you feel. It solves a problem which doesn't exist.
I think this is good for specific areas like cabinets or detailed jobs.
tomorrow, I have a demo with one of those.
it still runs to fast for cabinets unless you have big doors . think of it as a finer finishing airless . \it's doesn't have the control that pressure pot system has
Im looking into this system for site finishing/touch up of millwork. Currently I lug around a 30 gallon 5 hp compressor to run a Kremlin AA 10:1 pump with a Kremlin ExCite gun.
I like the idea of consolidating both pieces of equipment into one lighter smaller portable rig. I would like to know how well this compressor handles condensation? Does it put out much moisture in humid weather? Does it have a built in water separator? I would also like to know if the little compressor can keep up with spraying out full wall panel? I often have to re-coat large areas of pre-finished wainscot, trim, panels, etc... My 30 gallon can keep up with the AA gun in most instances, cant imagine a little 2 gallon tank can do the job. Can anyone with real life experience comment please.
Guess I'd also like to know if anyone has run a different gun on this rig, like say the Kremlin Excite i currently run? Would the compressor handle the cfm requirements of other makes of guns? Im seeing in comments here that there are some complaints of spitting and other pattern issues. Makes me wonder if its the gun and tips, or the pump/compressor, or operator.... Im stuck on the compressor being undersized for all day spray jobs.
@@carlhowell170 got the excite hooked to my graco
@@young-towns-renovations949 so thr compressor does well? No water issues?
This is not a fair review. You need to use the flat tip. By using the reversible fflp tip you're not using the sprayer to its full potential.
Exactly!
Too many painters will not try very hard to make a new tool work. Way too soon they will go back to how they were doing it and give up trying to figure out why the new thing might be better. I remember when hand maskers 1st came out. Our Boss brought out 5 of them to a good sized job we were on. I was still an apprentice. The older painter could not be bothered with the bosses new plastic thingy's. I grabbed one after a couple of days, and masked of all the base in the upstairs in a day. This was a 9000 foot home. Within a month every painter I knew, had one.
Love how Titan snuck their new gun add in. lol At least you can use it to air up the tires in your trucks!
Thanks for watching Kansas!
We have same unit. Used 15 times now compressor won’t stop after triggering off? Seen this before
have you cleanedthe gun filter
with air assistence the tips can get clogged?
yep
May I ask... how are you eliminating spits from the tip?
I always use a 209 spraying all the trim in a house and let it rip gives a perfect finish
Thanks for sharing Jeremy!
let it rip? please can you elaborate?
Thanks for the review .
If using just as airless, does the air hose need to be attached to gun? Also, assuming able to spray any material too(stains, acrylic, latex, lacquer, etc....
Does it use only Graco tips, or able to use any tips as long as correct size for machine?
Does this hook up to garden hose like other Graco airless sprayers (x5/9 etc....) for easy cleanup afterwards?
If using totally airless, how is the overspray etc.... Lot of material in air, still need breather?
Thx for the vid
Cheers, A
Yes, the air hose needs to be attached to the gun
for make the advantage would be to not have to thin my product and not have to carry around a quart of paint on my gun. That's why this product was made . Its probable slower than an airless but as you can see not much over spray.
that's what it was design for, its the best of both worlds
Nice and silent, also impeccable finish, me gusta ^^
it's funny because the Idaho Painter uses a Titan 440 which comes in an air assisted model !!!🤣
What paint did y’all use for the mantle?
Everybody gets one for free if you comment!? Thx Graco!!! You guys are the best!!!! 😁
lol
I have the Graco 9.5 HVLP and the 395 airless assisted, you are missing the big difference why to use air assisted (with a flat tip), almost the same finish but faster and the air assisted is rated at 1095 gal per year and the HVLP at 50 gal per year.
Ok
What brush would you recommend for painting trim and doors for the smoothest finish? Also what roller cover and nap would you use for painting doors? Thanks for all the great vids:)
Purdy Nylon, purdy white dove
Paint Life TV do you mean Purdy Nylox? Thanks
Monarch wall brush . And a Pal 4mm Mircofiber roller cover..
Princeton flat 2” or 1.5” smoothest finish
How do you like it?
What about the flat tip conversion? Game changer for these units? More comparable finish to a hvlp?
Step above but a paint to clean tips I have tossed 100s of bucks worth away
Hi Chris, I couldn’t find the video that this question relates to so I’m just posting here. I tried using the “big stretch” caulk for the first time, painted my first coat of Killz primer and all of the primer cracked on top of the caulk. Do you think this is due to the primer I used or just because the caulk moves so much. I was pretty bummed out when this happened, now I have to strip it all and redo it with a different caulk and re-prime. Any help is greatly appreciated.learning as I go, great videos. - mike
The caulking has to cure before you paint it.
Paint Life TV i let it sit for 48 hours, I can’t imagine it would take longer than 24 for a full cure.
I had one of those air assisted sprayers and sold it within months.The air holes kept clogging with paint so I bought an airless 395 instead. The gun is nice but the airless tip you still use is what ruins it. They need to redesign the gun with a needle and seat like an HVLP gun and have larger air holes at the cap.
Flood floetrol may help. I had the same issues with my handheld electric hvlp and it made all the difference in the world. I had actually got so frustrated I tgrew the gun in the trash then watched a few vids on the floetrol and dug it back out when I got to work the next day. I keep a gallon of that stuff on me all the time now.
@@carlcox7332 How do you determine how much floetrol to add? I’ve read that it helps a lot to prevent drips & dries longer. HD has it under a different name. Seems like it’s the same product.
@@georgiafan6618 HD sells Floetrol Flood under the regular brand name. Not a special order item--you will find it in stores.
And oh hell ya. Just give me an airless anyday. That's what fft are made for. I wanna go fast in the words of Ricky bobby!
lol, thanks for watching Marty!
Im nearly to give up. Got 695 graco but spraying trim or doors doesn't work. Fine filters on both ends, if the pressur is to low, im getting side rails, adj more pressure, but not tomuch, and it clogs, stops, have to reverse tip, same thing every few seconds. Afraid to use on doors as it will make more damaged then good. Helpppp. Im using green 310 ff tip, new seals everywhere. Paint not dilutd. ( dulax aquaenamel).
Have you strained the paint?
Paint Life TV yes. I tried with adding up some water, then other times some paint conditioner...
@@daltoniks use bigger mesh filters. Like 100 mesh.
It could be either your packings are wearing down too aggressively or your hose is dropping off particles.
Did you buy it used? I bought a 395 used and had to run a cup of denatured alcohol to a gallon of water on my last flush when cleaning it and you wouldn't believe how much more paint started coming out after I thought it was clean. I haven't checked to see how clean the hoses were inside after the DA but it has to be better.
I don't understand why this machine would be considerably slower than a regular airless. Wouldn't it go just about as fast as a regular airless with a larger tip. After all for high quality trim that you have a lot of prep into, you will probably be using smaller tips anyway, would't you?
Cause it mixes air with paint it slows you down
OK, I'll just have to try one. I not sure about Idaho's regulations, here in Salt Lake City all paints sold have low VOC requirements. I used to pride myself on my spayed trim and doors. Not so much any more. Latex enamels do not flow and in some cases they don't even blend, just leaving minute patterns not quite filled. Thinning doesn't help, The best finishes have a fine orange peal. I'm wondering if an air assisted airless would do a better finish. Holding an HVLP cup gun all day doesn't sound like fun. @@Idahopainter
My last job I used a couple of FFLP tips with Sherwin Williams Emerald. Pressure at half. Came out beautifully. Just like the older high end water borne finishes.
Chris/John would both sprayers put a nice finish on woodwork if using the right tip
Yes
Hello greetings And have great sunday
I've been going through your vids trying to find out what paint you guys use for trim. I know you guys use duration as a base line, but wasn't sure how you guys feel about Pro Classic or even that newer Interior/exterior Emerald.
We do not like Pro Classic, we prefer Solo
Paint Life TV I've been painting for 13 years in Virginia beach and Richmond, and never seen a person use Solo before, you've blown my mind. thanks for the reply, I'm gonna try that stuff out now
Paint Life TV solo is complete trash wtf? Wow maybe you do a lot of section 8 housing...
problem with these guns is you cant use an extension but you could use the HYDE telescoping pole
I paint the old fashioned way with brush and rollers. I never used a sprayer, isnt it alot more work taping everything and putting plastic to catch the overspray?
Just depends, there are many factors that help us decided which we do.
It also depends what type of finish you want to have , I wouldn't brush and roll that fireplace mantle because it wouldn't look nice , masking is 80% of the painting job the rest is quick spray and clean up, that's my experience and yes I do brush and roll most of the time, depending on the project budget as well
Use the biggest Rol-Air portable compressor available with a CA. Technology pressure tank and a Sata K3 with a 1.5 nozzle. Better than automotive finish….most cars have some orange peel.
So basically I just have to get the G15 attach it to my airless and run an air hose from the compressor on my shop.
Exactly
@@Idahopainter Pro painter here seems you can jimmy rig one of these together if you didn't want to drop 8 grand on a weak sprayer . I own one of these pro finish seems the most important attachment is the gun . im a air hog so i would use a 5 hp 20 gal tank comp . get a gun and hose attachment from graco having the switch tip system mis a big plus / also use a 490 if you plan on using for heavy work. . used it for spraying ceiling with no dog tail where i start and stop witch is a bonus for picky ceiling painting inspectors
Airless assisted to spray water-based paints (trim, doors etc)?
I can`t get any water based trim paint go through hvlp (gravity), manufacturer doesn`t recommend paint to be diluted more like 10% volume....
More control while spraying?
thx to rex jones for inspiring :)
good luck everyone!
We do not dilute, we use an airless to spray trim and doors
Jānis Miška we use the 595 version and spray everything through them. Just use the flat tips. Not the RAC tips
If your hvlp only has gravity feed, then get a pressure cup for it to spray the thicker stuff. If it doesnt have a port on the side, you may want to upgrade to a better hvlp that has been tested and designed for thicker paints. Typiclly, you would see 4 or 5 diffrent hvlp guns in a spray shop some as many as 10 depending on the wood shops specality. Most good hvlp brands have a chart that is based on viscosity of the paint that you are using. My apollo has tips up to 2.2mm. The bigest hold back is the amount of air you might need for heavy paints. 1. Find out how much air you can send through your gun, 2. Find out the vescosity of your paint. 3. Adjust your paint to your guns tip size and air limit to keep production up. You can also thin the paint as needed to maximize flow or adjust setting times etc. You can always shoot through a slightly smaller tip but you loose speed.
I run oil through this machine, The finish is quality. And next to no over spray..
Thanks for sharing David!
Im in Australia.
We still use oil base, you cant get the same finish from the water oils!!
David Hood , hi mate also painter from Australia, have you got rac x or flat tip? I use the Wagner air coat, always use flat tips
It's a nice pump but Titan has a better one. The Titan one I use that my boss has works awesome and love it. Hope you guys enjoy it and use it a lot. Titan to me makes a better all around product. Just my opinion.
Jeff Froment Titan 440i multifinish or aircoat
ajo lote not that one. My boss has the 695 air assisted pump. It's the big boy and it's a great reliable spray pump. We use it a lot. We use it without the air when doing regular spray jobs like spraying ceilings, priming houses and also spraying bodies on exteriors. I highly recommend the Titan 695 air assisted spray pump. I have never been a fan of Graco spray pumps. I think a lot has to do with the way I was taught from my old man, who painted for 35yrs before he passed away last year. Another painter I know had 2 Graco airless spray pumps and both shit the bed on him in less than a year. One of them the housing cracked where the piston is and the other one had problem after problem. The one that cracked was the Graco Pro X19 which was $700+ and the other one was Graco Magnum X7 which was $349. I have had my Titan 660 for 20yrs now, which was my Dads and has many many hours of spraying and the only thing that it has had done was being repacked once in a while. They don't make the 660 anymore and haven't for years but it's a great dependable spray pump. I'm a Titan fan and always will be. They make a better product hands down. If I were you and you are in the market for a spray pump buy a Titan and you won't be disappointed.
Jeff Froment x19 and x7 are not even worth mentioning or even comparing to a titan 695, x19 and x7 are for homeowners who dont know any better and sold in home depot which should tell you enough. all that said, I love titans, I have 3 of them but the main reasons why I like titans are, easier to fix, cheaper to fix and reliable machines if you take care of them, or not. lol, graco are just to loud for me and expensive to maintain.
Jeff Froment
I’ve had a Graco Ultimate 490 on wheels, for 10 years now and all I’ve had to do is repack the seals. I replaced the piston at that same time because it was scored up from not using enough Throat Seal Liquid. Anyway, just like any manufacturer of any product, Graco makes economy pumps, and heavier duty ones. Any of those pumps you find at your local Lowe’s or Home Depot aren’t meant for daily use, more like moderate to minimal.
Air assisted airless vs airless vs hvlp is that the air assisted airless is going to be the most efficient system. Airless will blow way more product into the air and hvlp will be better than a airless with the most control but it too will waste more product. As of now the Kremlin airmix is the best gun available and no hvlp can compare
Awesome, thanks for sharing Wendy!
Where do i get a kremlin,and does it come in hand held
Save it for laquers, stains and clear coats. The housings are $80 a pop, and they clog after 3-5 gallons, then constantly need to be maintained after. Total pain.
The new FFT tips made these machines irrelevant for latex oil or hybrid millwork top coat.
But, because the gun comes with a flat tip conversion, these machines are the bee's knees for cabinet refinishing.
Awesome, thanks for sharing Frank!
@@Idahopainter I couldn't agree more! I have the 395 finish pro 1 and Graco has made the G90 that came with it obsolete. Parts are really expensive too! I have never been able to spray with out the tip becoming a mess. The newest FFT by Graco in my opinion has made the Air Assist part not worth it.
I'm sorry but what painter besides an automotive one uses an hvlp constantly? I only use hvlps for 2 part paints where I dont want to ruin my airless packings and hose, I dont ever use an hvlp or turbine sprayers for latex or oils, its just not worth the time it takes to dilute the products, an airless assist is the way to go if you are looking for that extra edge in fine finish, its not meant to replace your airless, even though it can be used as one. alot they didnt say in this video, they should have study the product more to give better information.
pretty bad review in my opinion, I bet graco wants they're sprayer back, lol
Thanks for the feedback Jorge!
iam opposite never use a airless to spray fine wood work
Hey boss great work I'm a big fan of you alls work 😁 I have a question, I run a painting company in south texas, I know the price on painting goes by square footage or surface area, but i was recently asked to quote on painting beams on metal buildings and porches, I know there is diffrent factors that play a role and it differs by state or area but how would u approach a quote like this??
By how many days and employees it would take
Paint Life TV
And after that is figured out what percentage would be a fair profit for the cost of running tge company?
Be very very careful. This unit will SPIT!! A Surge of paint glob all over your surfaces. Even if you switch to a Flat Tip which you should it will still spit. Many many have complained of this including me. I still use my pump and love the lightweight gun but its got issues. Keep a toothbrush and some water to clean air holes on gun to help prevent the speits.
Thanks for sharing Nick!
For me.....I Love the airless and air assist, just hate hvlp.
What... Airless is the newest technology. Why go back to air? Lot of painters get flats from nails on construction sites. The built in air compresser can help with that.
OK
I just got one $3199 with taxes ouch
Hey, when you guys go into other peoples houses or restaurants or even hotels do you find yourself feeling the wood work? Lol I’m guilty ! “It’d been a lot smoother if I did it !” Ha
lol
thats pretty slow,ive been using airless for over 35 years and do have hvlp but hardly use the hvlp,the right tip 409 and the right paint and you can get just as good a finish in more than half the time.
it looks good tho
I can do the same thing with my airless and a 211 tip
You almost sprayed johnny apple seed.
lol, whoops
Graco does NOT always have great quality as stated. That statement tells me everything about your credibility and knowledge of painting. I have learned a lot from you but that statement was disappointing. You need to read the reviews on Graco products and customer service. Other than that, I like your channel.
I have my own opinion
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Soooooooo whats up?
So then technically its not an airless. Lol