When I go over the PC builder and gaming youtube content, it never ceases to amaze me the number of channels that attempt to normalise high end rigs as to what is most 'common' and usual. The reality is that only a small number of people can afford rigs like that. It is good to see content like yours that is more realistic as to the choices consumers must make and particularly given this global economic downturn.
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just finished building a gaming pc 2 days ago currently have a ryzen 5600x with rtx 3070the bottleneck being the 5600x but i personally dont think its wirth upgrading yet as it does everything i need it too.
11700k + 3090 +32GB+ 1440p165Hz monitor. I *could* upgrade my CPU or monitor, but I’m perfectly happy with its performance. Besides I already spent $5k on my system so that’s it for now 😂
Love the way you structured this information. Instead of touching every single CPU GPU combo you pegged a CPU tier then built GPU goal posts. Makes it less complex to understand but also covers a vast number of combinations while guiding best way to spend your next dollar. Master level data organization - really well done!
@@PCBuilderChannel Always be like that. For both cpu-s and gpu-s, and you are golden. For example, 5 days ago I wanted intel + geforce.. and now I need 5600 + 6750 gpu.. so yea, really thank you for going deep with all great available options.
@@PCBuilderChannel my confusion or question is this, I have a i7 12700k and planned to upgrade to the rtx 4090 but I’m seeing the whole bottleneck thing at 1440p. My goal is to run 1440p max settings or very high and get 200+ fps. I have a 1440p/240hz monitor and plan to get the new lg 27” oled that’s 1440/240 as well. To obtain those 200fps, what combo should I do
@@PCBuilderChannel jason the con artist salesman. pushing to buy anything and everything, youd sell your mother if you could. prices are not crashing so stop your bullshit.
@@PCBuilderChannel i just bought a i5 10100f for 30 usd, 40 usd for a asrock h510m-hvs motherboard, and 18 usd on 16gb 3200mhz dell oem ddr4 memory....... im gonna combine it with my 70 usd msi rx 580 4gb, 10 usd Be-Quit 450watt 80plus silver psu, and my 34 dollar 480gb ssd........... how about that for gaming on a budget..... i got all that, for only 200-210 dollars, including shipping... rate my build plz, rate my fragality
I’ve seen an Msi Suprim X 3080ti sell for $989 (sold & shipped by Newegg) just last night. Right now you can get an Msi Gaming X Trio 3080ti for $959 sold and shipped by Newegg as well. Both options are above $1200 MSRP regularly. I secured an Msi Suprim X 3090ti for $1200 on Amazon this morning (over $2200 card), so price drops are there on the very high end at least. I have not seen big drops on mid high aib’s, I initially was going for an Msi Suprim 3070ti, but it’s still going for above MSRP. NVIDIA FEs are not super good on prices though compared to aib’s as far as I’ve seen.
Thank you for: - getting right to the point - not joking around - including both team red and green My utmost respect for your dedication in making these helpful contents
@@PCBuilderChannel ok I’m very confused right now. I’m new to building pcs and I’m trying to get a pc that can run pc vr while recording. This is what I’ve picked out I5 12600k Asus prime b660m Gigabyte Radeon rx 6800 32gb oloy ddr4 ram 650w power supply Crucial p3 1tb ssd Id cooling aura flow cpu water cooler Would this be good for what I’m trying to do, my budget is $1400
I've just gotten recently into PC building and this is the only channel that manages to explain everything I'm looking for while making some needed clarifications along the way... Thanks for these videos, they help a lot!
@@PCBuilderChannel hey i like your videos, but i have a question, i have an rtx 2060 super and i7 7700k, do you think i need to change my cpu ? If yes, which cpu can i buy instead of my i7 7700k ?
I did my build in July (i just couldn't wait any longer because my previous PC broke) I got the 12600k with a 3060ti. The idea was that upgrading the gpu 1, 3, 5 years from now would be infinitely cheaper and easier than upgrading the cpu since I'd likely have to get a new mobo as well. So I over budgeted the cpu and got a gpu that I was confident could handle my gaming needs until 2024 or so. I plan on this pc lasting me at least 7 years and wanted to be sure I had enough cpu power for that duration. Doesn't mean I was right, but it was my thought process at the time and so far I'm happy with the results.
It's easy to overthink all this stuff. Sounds like you have a good plan. Too many people wait until it's the best time or wait for the best deal and it never comes.
I’m finally building my first pc this Christmas! All thanks to your videos. You’re the only person who actually answers most of my questions and goes through each component in detail. My biggest issue was finding out which part was compatible with what. I was stressing before, because I didn’t wanna buy the wrong thing and regret it later. Now I’m more than confident to build my own pc thanks to you. :)
I got the i3 12100f 1 year ago and ran it with my old GTX 1070 for 1 year. Now I got RTX 3060ti for EUR 275. Killer combo! In a couple of years I will upgrade to a 6 core 13600k + RTX 5070.
I like the "philosophy" part of this video. I agree with everything. Latest thing that I figured recently was the "future proofing" part. I was doing that, upgrading and in the end i realized instead of building a nice balanced setup. You are giving up the performance, spend more time on it and in the end it costs the same. And it is much more difficult to get rid of the parts that remains after the upgrade, because it is not functioning standalone PC that you can sell to one person or give to somebody in the family.
Thanks for mentioning Creators' needs, like Photoshop and Premiere! The old "just buy the best game machine and you'll have the best creator machine" idea is out the window now. Please continue to include us in your build info. Thanks!
I want both. Sadly I'm lost in the shuffle. I'm still using an AM3 Phenom 2 x4 925 and a 1070TI (My Sapphire 4850x2 burnt out) trying to optimize for both is hard. From what I gather the answer is 'slap the strongest INTEL processor and a beastly GPU in' but that lacks nuance and refinement. Plus it would have me spending way too much for not much in gains.
@@millgiass I went with an R9 5950X and rtx 3080 combo. For gaming it just doesn't matter which modern mid tier and better Intel or AMD cpu you have when you game at higher resolutions, the gpu is your bottleneck most of the time especially on 4K. For productivity work that can utilise all cores more is better. The 12900 and 5950X perform about the same but I much prefer the 5950X because it's much more energy efficient and also you never have to worry if your program runs on a E or P core. Maybe the smart money is on the i7-12700 that's only slightly slower but much cheaper and also much more energy efficient compared to the 12900.
@@Carrinthe Seems so. Seems like both the 12700K and 11900K beat out the 5950X in most tests. Less power consumption is definitely a nice thing, I just absolutely hate how slow rendering videos is. Imagine if the big video editing programs actually let you use the GPU instead of the CPU, or better yet, both at once. You'd probably render faster than playback speed at that point. It would be delightful.
@@millgiass The 5950x is definitely slower in single thread applications but when a program can utilise all cores it's certainly on par with the 12900k and faster than the 11900 or 12700. But in most tests the 5950X is handicapped by not enabling PBO and that means it is capped on his base clock of 3.4Ghz. and yes than the 5950X seems a lot slower compared to those other cpu's. Enabling PBO (just as easy as enabeling xmp) with aircooling I get the 5950X all core at 4.3GHz and a Cinebench R23 score north of 29000. Higher scores are possible with better cooling.
man I love this dude. a PC RUclipsr that looks out for the average PC gaming consumer and his wallet. keep up the awesome work, I've built a budget based light gaming build for wifey and a mid-range budgeted for myself using the advice provided and have zero regrets. thanks for your service
gpu prices haven't been crashing nearly as much lately. Prices have been rather flat for a while. Barely reaching 2020 isn't good enough given the next gen is around the corner. It's still difficult to find a 3060TI at 2020 msrp. 3060ti has been selling out within minutes whenever it goes in stock at 2020 msrp prices. cards are still overpriced imo here in Canada at least for Nvidia. Currently I'm on a 5600/3060. upgrading the GPU when the next gen releases seems like the logical best upgrade for performance improvement as even a 5800x3d seems to offer no improvement on a mid tier gpu
5600 / RTX 3060 is very good right now. AMD has changed their business strategy back to being the value provider at lower cost. NVIDIA has not changed strategy (even their "OMG everything is on sale now" announcement two days ago is just GPUs that still cost $1000 or more).
I'm also in Canada and, yes, it's been frustrating. I'm hopeful that the current inflated prices are the last gasp before the imminent flood of used mining cards, and the announcements of next gen. Retailers will simply have to slash prices on 30-series if they want to clear that 'old' stock. It's kinda begun but not really. Good luck!
Yea the 58003D is overkill for most people, especially with a middle tier GPU. It can help boost your 1% lows so that there are less hiccups if you’re into high refresh 1080p gaming.
i went with 12700k and 3060ti for my build (currently waiting for all the parts to arrive). im hoping to upgrade this GPU with something more beefy in a year or two. sadly GPU prices in europe are still crazy high and not showing any signs of decreasing.
I-7 12700k and I-5 12600k seem like a sweet spot. They seem to be the minimum limit to crush any Ryzen CPU below 5950 (And the 12700k beats that too) and somehow they're cheaper. It baffles me... It seems like Intel is the way without a doubt.
It's much easier to upgrade your gpu at a later date than your cpu (which would likely mean a new motherboard and all the hassle of swapping it and all other componants out... prob need new DDR ram too).
Or if you have an APU sell your GPU for 4 times what you bought it for, as the previous owner didn't know about thermal paste, and then upgrade your 2200G to a 5600G, and then just wait on prices, as I'm not a AAA title player and so it runs most things, like Fallout 4, perfectly well. 🤣
That's why I prefer to buy more expensive CPUs at the cost of a lower investment in GPUs. GPU you can change later into something better, if you want to upgrade you CPU, you might as well build a new PC.
@@theodentherenewed4785 As AM4 is near end of life I'd not invest too much, cheaper AM4 higher end stuff will be available as people upgrade to AM5, and it's too early for AM5 gear at the moment as very little is leveraging the PCIe interface boost in speed on AM5 to justify it yet.
Great job for PC games that push FPS; I am part of the gaming group that play games that stress the CPU & GPU load differently - like the Paradox games (Stellaris, HOI4, Victoria3), Total War series, etc. How should I adjust your recommendations accordingly?
First time builder here and these were all my questions I had. You gave me excellent explanations as to how to pair cpus and GPUs and gave examples too. I am more confident now to start my list and buy my items. You got a new subscriber.
Also, if you're upgrading, take into consideration of selling the parts yiu are replacing....could cut the upgrade cost significantly...if you're lucky 20% or more
I'm kind of surprised that you didn't mention the 12700k as the "cheap" ultimate build CPU, as it's not that much worse than a 12900k, all other things equal. Considering the price difference of the two is about 200-250 USD, that can really free up money for a better performing GPU, even at the 3080 and higher level. Alternatively, as others have mentioned, you can put that money towards getting a larger PSU if you're planning to upgrade to a next-gen 4080/7800XT or better GPU due to what has been reported on those specs right now. Or get better memory or add a little bling to your system. That said, there isn't that much an advantage in going for the 12700k versus the 12700f in terms of price to performance. From what I've been able to gather, the 12700k makes memory tuning a little easier since not all B660 motherboards will support memory tuning beyond XMP with locked CPUs, and, despite it being the unlocked CPU, it seems to have a little bit better power efficiency than the 12700f. Performance-wise though, they seem to be identical at stock settings. Only other thing to comment on is your insistence to getting a Z690 even with a 12600k. A good B660 will offer better features than a similarly priced (i.e. "cheap") Z690, so, if you're not planning to OC, a B660 can be a solid motherboard option while still benefiting from those E cores the 12600k has that the 12600 non-k and lower lack. I'd recommend the MSI B660 Bazooka, Mortar, and Tomahawk if you're just looking for performance, though the Asus Rog Strix certainly has aesthetic charm.
Interesting and thanks for tackling the topic. Please include ram in the budget. I know it’s another complication for the point you are making but the ram is still something people still have to navigate. So omitting it here means this video is not the final story. EDIT: I have been looking over some of your other videos and I see you really are chopping up the build process into bite sized chunks tackling the very questions people struggle to resolve. The material is sort of the “advertising antidote “ to the narrative of Spend More Money since we can’t figure out the quagmire and more money will hopefully solve the problem. Thanks.
Your videos are always super helpful and informative! Literally assembled my new rig last Friday! Got myself an i5-12600k paired with a 6700xt Red Devil from Power Color. Beastly for gaming at 1440p. I'm hoping that with the more powerful CPU over the 12400f I originally considered I'll be able to get back into streaming my games! The premium for the CPU upgrade made sense to me. You know what really hurt the budget? Needing to buy an actual monitor 😂 I had my old computer hooked up to an old 32 inch TV I no longer needed, rocking that wonky 1366x768 resolution that sits somewhere between 720p and 1080p...got a Gigabyte G27Q 144hz 1440p monitor for $240. My birthday is in 2 months and I'd love to buy a second monitor then to complete my setup.
You are tremendous help for me on my first build, I'll be putting i7 12700f with rtx3060ti for 2k gaming hopefully it'll be a good combo And a b660 gaming x mobo
Hey Jason! Would VR be considered a bit differently than regular gaming in the sense that it would benefit more from more cores compared to regular 4k gaming? In other words is is better to go with a cpu with just an amazing gaming score or does the added complexity of inputs lead to applications that end up processing more like video production, etc
I am no expert but when doing VR you are essentially rendering the game twice in each lens. That means more graphical processing. Once you get into the 6GB/8GB VRAM GPUs you will notice VR is marketed on the packaging. I would say the most important thing is the GPU or VR, and second the headset you're using itself. I have a Oculus Rift S and it caps out at 80hz refresh rate and I think each lens can only get up to 720p. Upgrading my GPU will absolutely help but there is only so much it can do to fix my problem. I haven't played a bunch of VR titles or know if there's a specific game that is CPU heavy but if there is I am sure it will be that one outlier. TL;DR - Make sure you got at least a good midrange combo like in this video, and sink your budget into your GPU and Headset.
i've got an R9 5900X that was about $450 and an RX 6800 XT that I got on black friday for a little over $500 bucks. Couldn't be happier with my combo. It plays all my games at very high framerates @3440x1440 resolution and I dont notice any stuttering in VR games. Plus my CPU gets about 10k hashes in Monero when using all 24 threads (I only mine when im working or sleeping)
Just upgraded from a 2070 Super to a 6800XT on a sale, it’s paired with a Ryzen 7 3700X. So it’s pretty balanced when it comes to productivity/gaming. Playing at 3440x1440P also so the 2070 Super is great but starting to show it’s limitations with newer games, so it’s time to upgrade!
@@PCBuilderChannel Yup! And correct the 3700X is more than capable of keeping up with the 6800XT with no problem and should hold off long enough to possibly upgrade to the 5700X in the future 🙂
@@trr4gfreddrtgf Playing a mix of AAA titles and single player games, it’ll run most single player games at 60+FPS but the newer AAA titles it struggles to push 45FPS even on normal settings, so yeah the limitations are apparent.
Thank god I came across this. I just started to build my pc and half already gotten all the parts. I started to worry about my cpu and gpu. You answered my questions and put me at ease that I didn’t unknowingly create a bottleneck. I had gotten the Ryzen 5800X and a 3080ti.
I got a b550, 5800x, and a 3080ti. Best combo for straight gaming and streaming. Anything higher than either of those is more for productivity. How has your rig been holding up?
I have an I5 9600k and recently bought a 3070ti, it seems to be running well but I definitely considered the cpu would be the bottleneck in my machine but the performance still seems a lot better than it was with the 2070
Just built two computers for my brother and a friend. Went with the ryzen 5600x for both but threw in a 3070 ti for my brothers and a rx 6700xt for my friends build, both seem to run smoothly with those combos.
both configurations are the sweet spot of performance-price ratio imo. After that, and unless you want to play every game 4k ultra, is all diminishing returns. I mean is not like anyone can really tell the difference between 150 fps or 200 fps... enough is enough!!! 🤣
Nvidia has made this equation a bit more simple in GPU terms, just don't buy Nvidia and you can build a powerful PC for a reasonable price. Just gotta match the right CPU to the right board, good you touched on that key point. That i5-12400 (w/after market cooling) is one of the best overall performance CPUs I've ever worked with at the price point.
one topic that isnt talked about is how important monitors are and how they're quite costly parts. I was waiting for GPUs to reduce in price assuming that monitors won't be as pricey as GPU. a GPU that delivers UHD HDR at 120fps would need a monitor that is even more pricey than that GPU. now I am torn between buying high end GPU 6800/6900 and use with QHD-144/UHD-60 monitor Or reduce the GPU so that I can afford a high refresh rate large 4k monitor. :(
Go 1440p and get one with the bells and whistles, theres a reason its the choice of professional gamers. You can get 120+Hz, HDR, color accuracy, and more menu features. There are a lot of AAA 4K gaming scenarios where top end cards cant even serve up 100+ frames on high/ultra quality. If youre a content creator you could always invest in a color accurate, low refresh rate 4k later.
The crazy thing is that every 4k gamer I have spoken with says that 4k60hz is a waste of time. So if your not getting a 4k 120hz or better monitor is there even a point to getting a new graphics card when they come out? I mean if your were to get a 3080 today for 1440p that would give you another 2yrs for the monitor price to come down and for the graphics card tech to take another leap forward.
Just recently got an 3060 ti for my ryzen 5 5600x and I gotta say I am really really happy with it. Both arent the best available but for the budged I am pretty happy. I did also get 32 RAM for hogwarts legacy because I noticed it needed quite a lot. Its running pretty smooth so far besides the game being horribly optimized
@@Wispurr0008 it should work fine but as far as I know you could easily handle a better GPU with the ryzen 7 5800x. It would handle stuff llike a 3080/3080 ti good too. So your CPU is great, GPU can be better but doesnt need to be immediately changed
@@j.rohmann3199 thx man! i am about to upgrade it because i bought the 3060 4 months ago, so i can sell it to one of my buddies for a good price and put that money towards, i think a 3070 for me. I cant afford a 3080
Good video. Was hoping to see your process for finding these thresholds so one could apply the techniques to future cpus and gpus. Perhaps that can be a different video.
Love the time you invested for us "builder wannabees" or is it just me. Definitely stretching the power of each part can cost us a lot of savings. Glad that you were recommended when I typed mid-range pc build/er. All the best!
Granted I’m a high end buyer but when I built my latest system I went 10850k knowing I would upgrade to a 3080, and I did just that. When I see what the 4080 ect has in store then it may be time to build new system again, not sure yet. But as said. On the high end budget it makes sense to go top Tier sometimes. I used a strix-E z590 mobo, all NVME storage, high end PSU. Knowing it would last me threw at least 1 generation of up coming GPUs.
I have a 9700k and 3080ti. Sure I could do with a cpu upgrade, but there's never a bottleneck on this build. I've overclocked it to 5ghz and it stays under 50c on load with a noctua cooler. I run all games on max and without raytracing I'm getting 110-180fps or more. (3440× 1440p) I get 16800 on time spy, and in top 90% so happy with 9700k for now. On avg my cpu is at 40-60% load and gpu is 90-98% I think I'll just wait for 14 series cpus tbh.
Spent $380 for an EVGA RTX 3060 a few months ago. Even with a very old Ryzen 5 CPU it is getting me 60-70fps in 4K with high and even some ultra settings with ray tracing on. Just picked up a Ryzen 7 5700x for $200. Really curious to see how this will boost performance when I get it installed.
One thing of importance, its better to have a gpu bottleneck then a cpu one. As the later one will effect more then just your fps, input may not be processed and you stutter all over the place.
@@zacht3425 GPU bottleneck is preferable over CPU bottleneck. So it´s less of a problem to have a worse gpu then to have a bad cpu that sits on 100% load while the gpu is bored.
Ryzen 5 3600+RTX3080 is surprisingly awesome combo for gamers. At 4K,there is very little to no difference. EDIT: I am sorry, it was 3950X and 10900K For other resolutions it's also decent. Especially 1440p. Hardware Unboxed tested it. Of course they recommend some other CPU,it was surpringly awesome. At 4K there is no real true reason to get anything better. Especially much better. It can serve as a place holder,until you can afford much better CPU for 1080o and 1440p. Like...3950X. Though in the meantime,the mighty 5800X3D came out. The ultimate AM4 gaming CPU.
This has been my plan for 2-3 years for my R5 3600 + 2070S combo: I want to keep my 3600 and just upgrade to a 3080 since I only play at 4K. On most games I'm GPU limited but I've been wondering if enabling DLSS in 4K (so, essentially rendering frames at 1080p or 1440p) would benefit from a faster CPU though.
Yeah the CPU gaming hype is real, a $150-200 CPU opens the budget for a better GPU which matters way more these days.... if you aren't doing workstaton and content creation workflows it makes little sense to go for 8 core $350+ CPUs when FPS differences are maybe 15 FPS in gaming... If you aren't running 4K it matters even less. 3600/3060 Ti Combo has been working wonders for my with Ultra 1080/High 1440p. Rather have 100 FPS, 70 FPS dips lower rez than 4K and having sub-60 dips with power transients and more micro-stutters.
@@atranimecs Actually micro stuters with 3600+RTX3080 are non-existent in 20 something games Hardware Unboxed tested. At best/worst,there was maybe 10% difference no big deal at 4K. Tell me,do you play with FPS and Microstuters ON or OFF? The guy likes 4K. RTX3080 should make it even better. Though I am wondering why doesn't he try DLSS.
About 8 months ago, when the GPU shortage had priced me out and money was tighter for me, I built a small form factor pc that I'm using right now. It has a Ryzen 5600g so I didn't have to spend anything on a graphics card, and 32gb of ram because some of the games I love to play need it for the mods. Fast forward to this week I just ordered a 3080 12gb and a Ryzen 9 5900x. I got the 3080 at MSRP, and for being in Australia where the supply was really scarce for the last couple years, I was happy with that.
@@antonkesting-kim5178 Primarily for design work in Unreal Engine 5. I've done a lot of design work in the past in AutoCAD that I'd like to use towards making a video game. I've got a lot of original assets that were originally intended for 3D Printing but I'd like to give them a new life. UE5 and AutoCAD use a ton of CPU. I've maxed out my CPU and RAM usage on my 5600g with 32GB RAM many times. The heftier CPU will just make loading in objects happen in real time instead of always having a bad lag and super slow rendering times. If I was just building a PC exclusively for gaming I'd probably do a 5700x with a 3060.
In short, it's better to have a 5600 processor paired with an RTX 3080 than an i9 processor paired with an RTX 3060. As someone who'll never buy a GPU that costs more than $400, I'm so glad I bought the Ryzen 5600x. It's probably not gonna bottleneck a $400 GPU for 2 more generations of GPU
@@fyorbane only once we replace the transistors themselves by something else. Their increase in numbers and higher clockspeeds cancells out any consumption reduction done by smaller process node. 4090 will have 60% more CUDA cores (and these cores are dinosaurs in the computer space, i don't know why Nvidia hangs on with them) and even highly clocks. So more power is obvious sadly. We're in the end of node shrink anyway (less than 3 nm is unlikely to be any reliable because too few atoms).
Thank you for this. Finally I have a video to recommend to people I know who want to build a PC but won't listen to my advice. I told my friend that he would be much better off with a 5600x (5600, 5700x, & 5800x3D were not out at this time) vs a 3950x, but he listened to my incompetent cousin instead and went for the latter only because "it's the most expensive one bro, it's the fastest you can get". Despite this being *after* the launch of Zen3...and my friend literally just wanted to build a PC for gaming. They also went with a 3070 Ti, so it's kinda funny to think about how a sub-$200 CPU can better run that GPU than the $400+ he paid at the time for the previous gen Ryzen 9. Could've used that money towards a 3080 and gotten even *more* performance in gaming. This is also without factoring in the cost of the 360mm NZXT Kraken AIO he got to keep that 3950x cooled, when he could've done better and spent less overall.
Interesting, what would you recommend for a b550 plus MOBO, 3070TI gpu? I was heading towards the Ryzen 7 5800x, Im incompetent when it comes to tech but I avoid buying the latest stuff.
@@kaifairtex9157 get a 5700x if you want to use a 3070ti. It's the best bang for the buck 8-core you can get for AM4. If you want to play at 1440p or higher, the 5600x should do the trick. I personally have a 5600 (non x) and 3060ti and play at 1440p no problem. 1080p runs perfectly fine too, but DLSS helps with fps + consistency and has less of a visual impact on games than people care to admit.
How well do you think a 5800X3D paired with a 6600/6650XT or 6700/6750XT would do if I am wanting Ultra settings? Currently using a 1080P screen, but eventually like to upgrade to 1440P or 4K. I know WoW is mostly CPU performance driven, so I am wondering how lesser of a GPU I can go without suffering.
Great analysis ! Do you think a 5600x will be enough with the new RX 7000 series or should I upgrade? I play at 1080p (maybe 1440p by the time these new GPUs come out) but always aim for high fps above all else.
A 5600x is already too good for 1080p gaming and so is your graphics card most likely. If you get a 7000 series gpu before you get a new monitor you just completely wasted your money. You will see literally nothing different on your monitor with the capabilities of these cards, probably even the one you have now is heavily limited. If you have a 5600x rig you should already be on a 2k monitor with 120+hz period if you dont have that go ahead and buy the 7900xt it wont do shit. I think some people should just stick to what they know, as youre obviously just parroting pro gamers with this "high fps above all else" shit when no one else thinks that way.
By the way, what do you think of Ryzen 5 5500? It was written off by most reviewers, and at the MSRP, there is no wonder why. But at the current pricing, and with cheap B450 boards, it can compete with i3-12100F by being cheaper in total and similar in performance. Of course, like 10105F, it would be bad to pair it with RX 6500 XT or RX 6400 for the same PCIe 3.0 reason :)
Because at this pricepoint it's competing with a ryzen 5 5600, and they are both very cheap to buy. for minor dif in price the 5600 is a much better buy at this pricepoint unless your budget is really stretched. The much larger L3 cache on the 5600 and higher boost clock makes it worth it.
@@stix_0910 At the point I was writing it, the price difference was quite big where I live, it was about 40 % less. R5 5600 went down in price lately though, and R5 5500 didn't go down much further, and moreover, the price and availability of good B450 boards is not as good as it was back then.
Great video, as always Jason. 👍 As someone who is a bit rusty when it comes to building (my last build was over 6 years ago), I feel like the CPU is the hardest part to know what to get, for me personally at least. I know that I wanna be able to play graphically demanding AAA single player games at 1440p/60+fps, and I'm probably going to do a little bit of creativity (blender, photo/video/audio editing and so on) too. I was thinking of something in line with the 5800X. But maybe I don't need it if I'm not going to do creativity tasks at a pro level? The GPU I'm aiming for is the RTX3080 10GB (12GB). Would I be fine with a 5700X or even a 5600X, or is a more powerful CPU (like the 5800X) recommended?
Go for the 12GB 3080 model if you can, it is actually faster in addition to having 2 more GB of VRAM (not as important but nice). 5700X would be fine especially for 1440p or 4K gaming. 12600K is a better overall CPU (but cost is more) if doing a lot of long duration multithreaded work, though the 5700X is no slouch at these tasks either. Honestly if you mostly do easier photoshop stuff, 5600X would be fine and for $175 right now it's a great deal.
@@PCBuilderChannel Thanks for your feedback. Yeah, basically I just wanna get the most "bang for my bucks" and not over spend in the wrong places. I'm not building it right now, since GPU prices are still way above MSRP here in Sweden. The cheapest (available) 3080 (10GB) models are stuck at $1000-$1100 right now, hopefully NVidia's recent price reduction in the US will make our prices go down soon too.
wish i saw this a decade back when i started getting into this. love how simply you put things while giving enough to learn more if the viewer wants to.
Finally someone who doesn’t downplay the power of the 12100 and 12400. Sometimes people forget that these cpus can go toe to toe with a 5600, which can handle a 3080. And when the 12400/12100 boosts, it can certainly get a huge performance gain
I’m upgrading my monitor from 1080P 165Htz to a 1440P 240htz with a 1MS response time and I was also thinking about a cpu upgrade. I have a X570 MB with a 5800X as well as a 3090 and was wondering if a 5950X would be a good upgrade to have for a couple of years. I do mainly gaming with some video editing. Thanks
You don't need an upgrade. The 5800X is more than capable to handle 1440p @ 240Hz since at that resolution the CPU is less important since the GPU is doing most of the work. With your 3090 you're all set, you don't really need to upgrade. I'd recommend to save your money.
5800X with 3090 is fairly high end. 5950X won't see much performance increase, really your next stop is the 5800X3D. Even then at 1440p not sure how much of an increase you'll get.
Currently have a 5950x and a 3080 (originally wanted a 3090, but I could not find one), looking to upgrade to a 4090 when it is released (assuming the prices don't skyrocket again). Probably gonna keep my CPU the same for a little while though.
It's interesting seeing how different markets perform. You mention that the 3080 12GB and 6900XT are about the same price. Here in Australia you there's a $500 AUD difference between the cheapest options of both, with 9 models of 6900XT cheaper than the cheapest 3080 12GB, meaning that, at least at the high end, AMD offers better value here.
Well, I began buying parts during the late 2020 and early 2021 when most things were too highly priced. I ended buying a TUF X570 plus motherboard, a Ryzen 5900X which at the time cost around €600, 32GB of RAM etc. The only thing I did not get at the time was a GPU because I was not prepared to stay up nights to check when these came in stock and definitely was not prepared to spend 3x or 4x for a GPU to those scalpels. I feel sad for those who did fall into that trap. This week I've ordered a Radeon RX 6800XT at €675 so my PC will finally be complete and I can remove the 1050 I had in it. I was not after top end anything but wanted to build a PC which could last me for at least 7/8 years for the work I do but still wanted "almost" the highest within a budget.
this is late but i love it. i have the same mindset i never want top end because you get deminishing returns for performance vs what you pay. So i usually go above mid teir but not top tier .
Loved the video! I just got a 2nd hand RX 6700 (upgrade from Vega 64 which did some issues/crashes and had to be replaced)….. however, I’m running a very old CPU - Ryzen 5 1500x. How crazy is my bottlencking? And which CPU should I get assuming money is an issue? Thank you!!
I just built a great computer for less than any PC building site. For under $2000, I got an i7 13700k, with 32 GBs of G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 5600mhz DDR5 RAM, an RTX 3080 Ti Aorus Master GPU, ASUS Prime Z690-P motherboard, a Corsair RM850x power supply, a SAMSUNG 980 PRO SSD 2TB M.2, and a Noctua NH-U12A chromax.Black CPU cooler, and had it put into a be quiet! Pure Base 500DX with an extra 140mm fan added to the case (total 4x 140mm "be quiet! Silent Wings 3" fans). Grand total, including cost to have it put together for me: $1975. Great year too. Caveats: I got the CPU, the power supply, and the motherboard as "open box" sale items (saved about $120). And the GPU was "used" in "like new" condition for $700 (saved $700) with all packaging in pristine condition and under warranty. And I got the CPU cooler on a Black Friday deal for 35% off regular price and saved about $40.
full disclosure, it cost about $45 more to have it built than I expected because they needed to flash the bios in order to install the i7 13700k. Trouble was, there is no flash button on that motherboard, so they had to install an 12700k first, and then flash and update the bios. Cost an extra half an hour. But I thought I could squeeze in an extra 1 TB SSD SATA and keep it under $2000, but turned out I went over by about $40. So I didn't count that.
I was holidaying in the US and picked up a 5600G to upgrade my 2200G, and 32GB of 3600 memory that I have clocked at 4000 from Microcenter, prices similar or less than second hand stuff back home at the moment, were I was going to but a GPU from best buy but they suck, plus I can probably pick a better one up on the second hand market cheaper. Upgrade to what will make you not frustrated with your system, remember it's a constant treadmill of hardware development, so it's always cheaper to be slightly behind the bleeding edge, plus all the issues have normally been ironed out by then.
I was going to poke fun at this video, but after watching it, I realized I'm a total douchebag b/c your video was extremely helpful and the combo with min/max GPU with CPU was on point! I'm a terrible human being but that's ok. Thumbs up and Subed. Thank you for your time and such a detailed video. Truly,
Awesome channel. I just picked up an HP victus 15L for 400 . I’m not into RGB and not much space on the desk so for me this was perfect and been gaming without any issues or noticiable bottlenecking .
I built my pc in 2020. It has a ryzen 5 1400, 16gb of ram 3200mhz ddr4, an rx 570 4gb, an a 320m by gigabyte, a 450W PSU 80+ bronze by EVGA. I target playing elden ring decently what should i upgrade?
Would not recommend a 256GB SSD. I'd suggest getting yourself an 500GB at least. You will be annoyed that there is not enough space in a while - but you will never be annoyed by having a few GBs of free disk space. Other than that, that sounds fine, pretty good choice
I'm currently using a Ryzen 7 5700X with an RX 6800 in my gaming PC and it has absolutely no problem playing the latest games in 1440P 144Hz at ultra settings and also has no problems running games in 4K and i think it's going to be a few years before i feel the need to get anything more powerful.
I got a pre made PC which had an i5 4440 and 16gb of DDR3. So I bought an RTX 3060, planning on upgrading most of the rest of the PC later on. It did just fine for a while, but I recently started playing Forza Horizon 5, which has to retrieve assets from the hard drive very quickly. So my older CPU and RAM really struggle with it. I have to play on lower graphics so that the assets are lighter. So because of this, and the fact that I play a lot of Minecraft, which is very CPU intensive, I think I'm going to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 5700x and 32gb of DDR4. Feel free to give your opinion.
Hi Jason! I had a question and I thought you'd be the perfect proffesional to answer the question. I currently have a 6900xt gpu but an old i7 cpu so theres a bottleneck. I was wondering if wether the lastest i9 or ryzen cpu would be best? I will be using it to game at 240hz and 1080p. Budget is not a worry, I simply just want the best cpu to pair with the 6900xt. Thank you!
Hi! a few months ago I bought an ASUS Rog Strix OC GeForce 3070TI at an excellent price and I also bought an EVGA Supernova 850GT Power Supply. Now I plan to finish building the PC and I have $1000 dollars budget for the remaining parts, it should be noted that I already have monitor, keyboard and mouse, but I have no idea what are the parts that best suit me to finish the PC. I would use it for video editing in Adobe Premiere, After Effects and colorization in DaVinci Resolve. If you can help me I would really appreciate it!
You could go for an i5 13600k. Its a powerful CPU for the job, Aorus Z790 aorus elite AX D4 or a Z690 that's bios flashbacked, 2x16 3600 CL16 DDR4, 2TB nvme ssd, a good 240mm aio, and a case you want. ( the Lian Li Lancool 216 would be by recommendation )
1:58 well it's not like that anymore. I have a RTX 3080 and i9 9900k with 2x16 GB DDR4 3200Mhz Rams and I get around 55-70 fps in Reserve map of Tarkov but another man with a RTX 2070 and i9 12900k with 2x16 GB DDR5 5466Mhz can get 90-110 fps in the same map. Some games are CPU bound but usually games are GPU bound, not Tarkov tho, it's extremely CPU bound. And I play mostly CPU bound games such as Tarkov, League of Legends, Valorant, etc. The weird thing is, if I lower all my Tarkov settings to the lowest + playing with 1080p, I'll get worse performance in-game. BUT, if I use DLDSR to upscale my monitor's 1080p resolution to artificial 3k(2880x1620 in 16:9) + maximize all my settings to around high/ultra + using DLSS, I'll get much better performance. The difference is really insane, not I only get more fps but my game also looks phenomenal. Nowadays, a GPU like 2070 is really enough for every game and upgrading/buying a high performance CPU + RAM is more important for games imo. Even I have 3080, i9 9900k and 32gb ddr4 3200mhz rams, I can't get insane amount of fps in every game. Edit: I must mention that I know all the basics for PC optimizing using Nvidia Control Panel, Process Lasso, ISLC etc. I surely know how to optimize a game so don't say to me that I couldn't optimize Tarkov and that another man has optimized Tarkov perfectly, nope, I know how to optimize games as well.
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When I go over the PC builder and gaming youtube content, it never ceases to amaze me the number of channels that attempt to normalise high end rigs as to what is most 'common' and usual. The reality is that only a small number of people can afford rigs like that. It is good to see content like yours that is more realistic as to the choices consumers must make and particularly given this global economic downturn.
EXACTLY. They think everyone gets super high end parts for free.
He only talks about current generation parts in this video, what did I miss?
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What CPU and GPU Combos are you looking for? What do you have right now? What is your bottleneck? Tell your story in a new comment below!
just finished building a gaming pc 2 days ago currently have a ryzen 5600x with rtx 3070the bottleneck being the 5600x but i personally dont think its wirth upgrading yet as it does everything i need it too.
11700k + 3090 +32GB+ 1440p165Hz monitor. I *could* upgrade my CPU or monitor, but I’m perfectly happy with its performance. Besides I already spent $5k on my system so that’s it for now 😂
Love the way you structured this information. Instead of touching every single CPU GPU combo you pegged a CPU tier then built GPU goal posts. Makes it less complex to understand but also covers a vast number of combinations while guiding best way to spend your next dollar. Master level data organization - really well done!
So glad you enjoyed and thanks for the feedback!
So glad you consider both Intel/AMD CPUs as well as Nvidia/AMD GPUs. I agree very much with your pairings. Great work!
Glad you like them! Thanks for watching
@@PCBuilderChannel Always be like that. For both cpu-s and gpu-s, and you are golden. For example, 5 days ago I wanted intel + geforce.. and now I need 5600 + 6750 gpu.. so yea, really thank you for going deep with all great available options.
@@PCBuilderChannel my confusion or question is this, I have a i7 12700k and planned to upgrade to the rtx 4090 but I’m seeing the whole bottleneck thing at 1440p. My goal is to run 1440p max settings or very high and get 200+ fps. I have a 1440p/240hz monitor and plan to get the new lg 27” oled that’s 1440/240 as well. To obtain those 200fps, what combo should I do
@@PCBuilderChannel jason the con artist salesman. pushing to buy anything and everything, youd sell your mother if you could. prices are not crashing so stop your bullshit.
@@PCBuilderChannel how impactful is it to move up to a 5700X from 5600X for a new `high end` gpu for games
Unreal this is exactly what I was thinking about this week. Want to do a high end build but didn't want to waste money on mish mash parts 😕
Glad I could help!
@@PCBuilderChannel i just bought a i5 10100f for 30 usd, 40 usd for a asrock h510m-hvs motherboard, and 18 usd on 16gb 3200mhz dell oem ddr4 memory....... im gonna combine it with my 70 usd msi rx 580 4gb, 10 usd Be-Quit 450watt 80plus silver psu, and my 34 dollar 480gb ssd........... how about that for gaming on a budget..... i got all that, for only 200-210 dollars, including shipping... rate my build plz, rate my fragality
I’ve seen an Msi Suprim X 3080ti sell for $989 (sold & shipped by Newegg) just last night. Right now you can get an Msi Gaming X Trio 3080ti for $959 sold and shipped by Newegg as well. Both options are above $1200 MSRP regularly. I secured an Msi Suprim X 3090ti for $1200 on Amazon this morning (over $2200 card), so price drops are there on the very high end at least. I have not seen big drops on mid high aib’s, I initially was going for an Msi Suprim 3070ti, but it’s still going for above MSRP. NVIDIA FEs are not super good on prices though compared to aib’s as far as I’ve seen.
@@michielroskam3877 I’d be careful of that PSU if it is no good it ruin all components in your PC
@@magz2183 I'll second that, having lost a PC (mobo/CPU/ram) to a bad BeQuiet! power supply.
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@@PCBuilderChannel ok I’m very confused right now.
I’m new to building pcs and I’m trying to get a pc that can run pc vr while recording. This is what I’ve picked out
I5 12600k
Asus prime b660m
Gigabyte Radeon rx 6800
32gb oloy ddr4 ram
650w power supply
Crucial p3 1tb ssd
Id cooling aura flow cpu water cooler
Would this be good for what I’m trying to do, my budget is $1400
@@BiggieCheeksinstead of 12600k get 5700x You'll save couple of dollar. With that extra money get 6900xt/xtx
I've just gotten recently into PC building and this is the only channel that manages to explain everything I'm looking for while making some needed clarifications along the way... Thanks for these videos, they help a lot!
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Great analysis. The amount of research and spreadsheeting that you've put into this really shows. Cheers!
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@@PCBuilderChannel hey i like your videos, but i have a question, i have an rtx 2060 super and i7 7700k, do you think i need to change my cpu ? If yes, which cpu can i buy instead of my i7 7700k ?
I did my build in July (i just couldn't wait any longer because my previous PC broke) I got the 12600k with a 3060ti. The idea was that upgrading the gpu 1, 3, 5 years from now would be infinitely cheaper and easier than upgrading the cpu since I'd likely have to get a new mobo as well. So I over budgeted the cpu and got a gpu that I was confident could handle my gaming needs until 2024 or so. I plan on this pc lasting me at least 7 years and wanted to be sure I had enough cpu power for that duration.
Doesn't mean I was right, but it was my thought process at the time and so far I'm happy with the results.
It's easy to overthink all this stuff. Sounds like you have a good plan. Too many people wait until it's the best time or wait for the best deal and it never comes.
I’m finally building my first pc this Christmas! All thanks to your videos. You’re the only person who actually answers most of my questions and goes through each component in detail. My biggest issue was finding out which part was compatible with what. I was stressing before, because I didn’t wanna buy the wrong thing and regret it later. Now I’m more than confident to build my own pc thanks to you. :)
It’s one of the best feelings completing a build!
That's so exciting! Best wishes on your build and glad we could help!
Watch him brake it !
@@user-baraba cringe
@@user-baraba nah. I already built it and been using it for 2 months now, so far no issues.
I got the i3 12100f 1 year ago and ran it with my old GTX 1070 for 1 year. Now I got RTX 3060ti for EUR 275. Killer combo! In a couple of years I will upgrade to a 6 core 13600k + RTX 5070.
I like the "philosophy" part of this video. I agree with everything. Latest thing that I figured recently was the "future proofing" part. I was doing that, upgrading and in the end i realized instead of building a nice balanced setup. You are giving up the performance, spend more time on it and in the end it costs the same. And it is much more difficult to get rid of the parts that remains after the upgrade, because it is not functioning standalone PC that you can sell to one person or give to somebody in the family.
Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for mentioning Creators' needs, like Photoshop and Premiere! The old "just buy the best game machine and you'll have the best creator machine" idea is out the window now. Please continue to include us in your build info. Thanks!
I want both. Sadly I'm lost in the shuffle. I'm still using an AM3 Phenom 2 x4 925 and a 1070TI (My Sapphire 4850x2 burnt out) trying to optimize for both is hard. From what I gather the answer is 'slap the strongest INTEL processor and a beastly GPU in' but that lacks nuance and refinement. Plus it would have me spending way too much for not much in gains.
@@millgiass I went with an R9 5950X and rtx 3080 combo. For gaming it just doesn't matter which modern mid tier and better Intel or AMD cpu you have when you game at higher resolutions, the gpu is your bottleneck most of the time especially on 4K. For productivity work that can utilise all cores more is better. The 12900 and 5950X perform about the same but I much prefer the 5950X because it's much more energy efficient and also you never have to worry if your program runs on a E or P core. Maybe the smart money is on the i7-12700 that's only slightly slower but much cheaper and also much more energy efficient compared to the 12900.
@@Carrinthe Seems so. Seems like both the 12700K and 11900K beat out the 5950X in most tests. Less power consumption is definitely a nice thing, I just absolutely hate how slow rendering videos is. Imagine if the big video editing programs actually let you use the GPU instead of the CPU, or better yet, both at once. You'd probably render faster than playback speed at that point. It would be delightful.
@@millgiass The 5950x is definitely slower in single thread applications but when a program can utilise all cores it's certainly on par with the 12900k and faster than the 11900 or 12700. But in most tests the 5950X is handicapped by not enabling PBO and that means it is capped on his base clock of 3.4Ghz. and yes than the 5950X seems a lot slower compared to those other cpu's. Enabling PBO (just as easy as enabeling xmp) with aircooling I get the 5950X all core at 4.3GHz and a Cinebench R23 score north of 29000. Higher scores are possible with better cooling.
@@millgiass what applications are you using? Is it for mapping and desgin (civilo, GIS, autocad etc), spreadsheet and formulation or video making?
man I love this dude. a PC RUclipsr that looks out for the average PC gaming consumer and his wallet. keep up the awesome work, I've built a budget based light gaming build for wifey and a mid-range budgeted for myself using the advice provided and have zero regrets. thanks for your service
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2:35 LMFAOOOOO That's EXACTLY the build I WANT TO MAKE THIS YEAR FOR CHRISTMAS !!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love to hear it, glad the video was so specifically helpful! Thanks for watching!
gpu prices haven't been crashing nearly as much lately. Prices have been rather flat for a while. Barely reaching 2020 isn't good enough given the next gen is around the corner. It's still difficult to find a 3060TI at 2020 msrp. 3060ti has been selling out within minutes whenever it goes in stock at 2020 msrp prices. cards are still overpriced imo here in Canada at least for Nvidia.
Currently I'm on a 5600/3060. upgrading the GPU when the next gen releases seems like the logical best upgrade for performance improvement as even a 5800x3d seems to offer no improvement on a mid tier gpu
5600 / RTX 3060 is very good right now. AMD has changed their business strategy back to being the value provider at lower cost. NVIDIA has not changed strategy (even their "OMG everything is on sale now" announcement two days ago is just GPUs that still cost $1000 or more).
I'm also in Canada and, yes, it's been frustrating. I'm hopeful that the current inflated prices are the last gasp before the imminent flood of used mining cards, and the announcements of next gen. Retailers will simply have to slash prices on 30-series if they want to clear that 'old' stock. It's kinda begun but not really. Good luck!
Yea the 58003D is overkill for most people, especially with a middle tier GPU. It can help boost your 1% lows so that there are less hiccups if you’re into high refresh 1080p gaming.
@@PCBuilderChannel nvidia has a 12 gb 3080 for 850 on Amazon currently
Where I live, prices didn't budge for any cards. Makes waiting for next gen the only sensible approach >.>
i went with 12700k and 3060ti for my build (currently waiting for all the parts to arrive). im hoping to upgrade this GPU with something more beefy in a year or two. sadly GPU prices in europe are still crazy high and not showing any signs of decreasing.
Great choice I like it....
I've done similarly. 5800X3D and 3060Ti, upgrade the GPU once the dust settles.
@@redrock425 Another great choice !
If that PC suits you, it's a good combo! :)
I-7 12700k and I-5 12600k seem like a sweet spot. They seem to be the minimum limit to crush any Ryzen CPU below 5950 (And the 12700k beats that too) and somehow they're cheaper. It baffles me... It seems like Intel is the way without a doubt.
It's much easier to upgrade your gpu at a later date than your cpu (which would likely mean a new motherboard and all the hassle of swapping it and all other componants out... prob need new DDR ram too).
Or if you have an APU sell your GPU for 4 times what you bought it for, as the previous owner didn't know about thermal paste, and then upgrade your 2200G to a 5600G, and then just wait on prices, as I'm not a AAA title player and so it runs most things, like Fallout 4, perfectly well. 🤣
That's why I prefer to buy more expensive CPUs at the cost of a lower investment in GPUs. GPU you can change later into something better, if you want to upgrade you CPU, you might as well build a new PC.
@@theodentherenewed4785 As AM4 is near end of life I'd not invest too much, cheaper AM4 higher end stuff will be available as people upgrade to AM5, and it's too early for AM5 gear at the moment as very little is leveraging the PCIe interface boost in speed on AM5 to justify it yet.
Great job for PC games that push FPS; I am part of the gaming group that play games that stress the CPU & GPU load differently - like the Paradox games (Stellaris, HOI4, Victoria3), Total War series, etc.
How should I adjust your recommendations accordingly?
First time builder here and these were all my questions I had. You gave me excellent explanations as to how to pair cpus and GPUs and gave examples too. I am more confident now to start my list and buy my items. You got a new subscriber.
That's wonderful to hear! Thank you for the sub and welcome to the channel!
Also, if you're upgrading, take into consideration of selling the parts yiu are replacing....could cut the upgrade cost significantly...if you're lucky 20% or more
50€ upgrade cost from r7 2700 to r5 5600x
And 275€ upgrade cost from 2060s to 2080ti lightning z 🤷🏼♂️ love to resell my old parts
or better yet build another budget gaming pc wirh the parts for your kids :)
I'm kind of surprised that you didn't mention the 12700k as the "cheap" ultimate build CPU, as it's not that much worse than a 12900k, all other things equal. Considering the price difference of the two is about 200-250 USD, that can really free up money for a better performing GPU, even at the 3080 and higher level. Alternatively, as others have mentioned, you can put that money towards getting a larger PSU if you're planning to upgrade to a next-gen 4080/7800XT or better GPU due to what has been reported on those specs right now. Or get better memory or add a little bling to your system.
That said, there isn't that much an advantage in going for the 12700k versus the 12700f in terms of price to performance. From what I've been able to gather, the 12700k makes memory tuning a little easier since not all B660 motherboards will support memory tuning beyond XMP with locked CPUs, and, despite it being the unlocked CPU, it seems to have a little bit better power efficiency than the 12700f. Performance-wise though, they seem to be identical at stock settings.
Only other thing to comment on is your insistence to getting a Z690 even with a 12600k. A good B660 will offer better features than a similarly priced (i.e. "cheap") Z690, so, if you're not planning to OC, a B660 can be a solid motherboard option while still benefiting from those E cores the 12600k has that the 12600 non-k and lower lack. I'd recommend the MSI B660 Bazooka, Mortar, and Tomahawk if you're just looking for performance, though the Asus Rog Strix certainly has aesthetic charm.
You recommended the Ryzen 5700X for the RTX 3080 so my i7-9700K should be ok for the 3080 as well??
Interesting and thanks for tackling the topic.
Please include ram in the budget. I know it’s another complication for the point you are making but the ram is still something people still have to navigate. So omitting it here means this video is not the final story.
EDIT: I have been looking over some of your other videos and I see you really are chopping up the build process into bite sized chunks tackling the very questions people struggle to resolve. The material is sort of the “advertising antidote “ to the narrative of Spend More Money since we can’t figure out the quagmire and more money will hopefully solve the problem.
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Your videos are always super helpful and informative! Literally assembled my new rig last Friday! Got myself an i5-12600k paired with a 6700xt Red Devil from Power Color. Beastly for gaming at 1440p. I'm hoping that with the more powerful CPU over the 12400f I originally considered I'll be able to get back into streaming my games! The premium for the CPU upgrade made sense to me.
You know what really hurt the budget? Needing to buy an actual monitor 😂 I had my old computer hooked up to an old 32 inch TV I no longer needed, rocking that wonky 1366x768 resolution that sits somewhere between 720p and 1080p...got a Gigabyte G27Q 144hz 1440p monitor for $240. My birthday is in 2 months and I'd love to buy a second monitor then to complete my setup.
Congrats on your new rig! It sounds awesome. So glad we could help and best of luck with your 2nd monitor search (:
Hey
6700xt good enough for 1440p?
Want to buy IT but im not Sure
Maybe go with a good brand like MSI or Asus or the monitor next time D: or even Dell
@@EXAKTHD1337 yes depending on the game settings obviously
Amazing! you are telling everything i searched on google and other youtube channels for years. thank you!
So glad its helpful! Thank you for watching
You are tremendous help for me on my first build, I'll be putting i7 12700f with rtx3060ti for 2k gaming hopefully it'll be a good combo
And a b660 gaming x mobo
Should be good! Good luck on the build!
You should pair i5(12400) with rtx 3060ti and get 1440p monitor or better gpu . If you are just doing for gaming then*
Planning for the same. Im gonna pick msi b660 a pro. Temps on this mobo for its price looks great value for me.
@@frodberserk unfortunately don't have it in my country and z690 mobo is too expensive
@@Ronit34 it's a gaming only pc and 3070 gpu is not worth if for 10% increased performance
Hey Jason! Would VR be considered a bit differently than regular gaming in the sense that it would benefit more from more cores compared to regular 4k gaming? In other words is is better to go with a cpu with just an amazing gaming score or does the added complexity of inputs lead to applications that end up processing more like video production, etc
leaving a comment if someone answers
I am no expert but when doing VR you are essentially rendering the game twice in each lens. That means more graphical processing. Once you get into the 6GB/8GB VRAM GPUs you will notice VR is marketed on the packaging. I would say the most important thing is the GPU or VR, and second the headset you're using itself. I have a Oculus Rift S and it caps out at 80hz refresh rate and I think each lens can only get up to 720p. Upgrading my GPU will absolutely help but there is only so much it can do to fix my problem. I haven't played a bunch of VR titles or know if there's a specific game that is CPU heavy but if there is I am sure it will be that one outlier.
TL;DR - Make sure you got at least a good midrange combo like in this video, and sink your budget into your GPU and Headset.
yes you should upgrade your gpu as u will probobly be pluging it into the gpu
i've got an R9 5900X that was about $450 and an RX 6800 XT that I got on black friday for a little over $500 bucks. Couldn't be happier with my combo. It plays all my games at very high framerates @3440x1440 resolution and I dont notice any stuttering in VR games. Plus my CPU gets about 10k hashes in Monero when using all 24 threads (I only mine when im working or sleeping)
Just upgraded from a 2070 Super to a 6800XT on a sale, it’s paired with a Ryzen 7 3700X. So it’s pretty balanced when it comes to productivity/gaming. Playing at 3440x1440P also so the 2070 Super is great but starting to show it’s limitations with newer games, so it’s time to upgrade!
What type of games are you playing? I thought a 2070 Super would run all modern games on max settings with at least 60 fps lol.
Great upgrade! In the future dropping in a Ryzen 5700X might make sense, but I wouldn't be rushing to do it.
@@PCBuilderChannel Yup! And correct the 3700X is more than capable of keeping up with the 6800XT with no problem and should hold off long enough to possibly upgrade to the 5700X in the future 🙂
@@trr4gfreddrtgf Playing a mix of AAA titles and single player games, it’ll run most single player games at 60+FPS but the newer AAA titles it struggles to push 45FPS even on normal settings, so yeah the limitations are apparent.
@@iDelarinix Oh okay, some newer AAA titles can be very demanding. Enjoy your upgrade!
Thank god I came across this. I just started to build my pc and half already gotten all the parts. I started to worry about my cpu and gpu. You answered my questions and put me at ease that I didn’t unknowingly create a bottleneck. I had gotten the Ryzen 5800X and a 3080ti.
So glad we could help!! Best wishes on your build
You need to pair 5800x with 4090
Hopefully you didn't buy your motherboard before making your choice AFTER watching this video? 😁
I got a b550, 5800x, and a 3080ti. Best combo for straight gaming and streaming. Anything higher than either of those is more for productivity. How has your rig been holding up?
@@dethtour Is good An Gigabyte X570S AORUS ELITE AX, 7 5800x and a 3060ti?
FINALLY! This video should be everywhere. It helps a lot.
So glad it was helpful!
I have an I5 9600k and recently bought a 3070ti, it seems to be running well but I definitely considered the cpu would be the bottleneck in my machine but the performance still seems a lot better than it was with the 2070
If you can try to get a 9900k and most of your problems could be fixed. Ur psu might need an upgrade though
I5 12400f would be a great pairing with the 70 ti
@@MonicaHolly143 sure but I'd also have to upgrade my motherboard to do that
Just built two computers for my brother and a friend. Went with the ryzen 5600x for both but threw in a 3070 ti for my brothers and a rx 6700xt for my friends build, both seem to run smoothly with those combos.
Great PC builds! Congrats!
both configurations are the sweet spot of performance-price ratio imo. After that, and unless you want to play every game 4k ultra, is all diminishing returns. I mean is not like anyone can really tell the difference between 150 fps or 200 fps... enough is enough!!! 🤣
The 5600X will get the most out of any current GPU you throw at it. Of course high end GPU implies use of higher resolutions
If by any chance you planned your builds on pcpartpicker, could you give me the link to the 6700xt build? It would be greatly appreciated!
@@Zooma354 Tried posting the link but I think it keeps getting deleted
i recently upgraded to a ryzen 5 5600 and rx 6650 xt. since then i upgraded my 5600 with a ryzen 9 6900x
Nvidia has made this equation a bit more simple in GPU terms, just don't buy Nvidia and you can build a powerful PC for a reasonable price. Just gotta match the right CPU to the right board, good you touched on that key point. That i5-12400 (w/after market cooling) is one of the best overall performance CPUs I've ever worked with at the price point.
one topic that isnt talked about is how important monitors are and how they're quite costly parts.
I was waiting for GPUs to reduce in price assuming that monitors won't be as pricey as GPU. a GPU that delivers UHD HDR at 120fps would need a monitor that is even more pricey than that GPU. now I am torn between buying high end GPU 6800/6900 and use with QHD-144/UHD-60 monitor Or reduce the GPU so that I can afford a high refresh rate large 4k monitor.
:(
best to get a better monitor later, especially because im sure more qd oleds would come in the future.
@down bad dav 4k monitors are simply too expensive at the moment. I would wait awhile.
Go 1440p and get one with the bells and whistles, theres a reason its the choice of professional gamers.
You can get 120+Hz, HDR, color accuracy, and more menu features.
There are a lot of AAA 4K gaming scenarios where top end cards cant even serve up 100+ frames on high/ultra quality.
If youre a content creator you could always invest in a color accurate, low refresh rate 4k later.
The crazy thing is that every 4k gamer I have spoken with says that 4k60hz is a waste of time. So if your not getting a 4k 120hz or better monitor is there even a point to getting a new graphics card when they come out? I mean if your were to get a 3080 today for 1440p that would give you another 2yrs for the monitor price to come down and for the graphics card tech to take another leap forward.
It’s better to do 1440p for now and shoot for 4k when the 5 or 6 series comes out imo
I'm from Colombia. I just want to say: THANKS A LOT. Your videos are incredible useful for me.
So glad they are helpful!! Thanks for watching and for the feedback!
Just recently got an 3060 ti for my ryzen 5 5600x and I gotta say I am really really happy with it. Both arent the best available but for the budged I am pretty happy.
I did also get 32 RAM for hogwarts legacy because I noticed it needed quite a lot. Its running pretty smooth so far besides the game being horribly optimized
i have a ryzen 7 5800x but an rtx 3060, do you think my cpu is too good for my gpu or the other way around?
@@Wispurr0008 it should work fine but as far as I know you could easily handle a better GPU with the ryzen 7 5800x. It would handle stuff llike a 3080/3080 ti good too. So your CPU is great, GPU can be better but doesnt need to be immediately changed
@@j.rohmann3199 thx man! i am about to upgrade it because i bought the 3060 4 months ago, so i can sell it to one of my buddies for a good price and put that money towards, i think a 3070 for me. I cant afford a 3080
Good video. Was hoping to see your process for finding these thresholds so one could apply the techniques to future cpus and gpus. Perhaps that can be a different video.
Fantastic! Love the random brazillian meme at 0.19 !!!!!
Glad you enjoyed! (:
Love the time you invested for us "builder wannabees" or is it just me. Definitely stretching the power of each part can cost us a lot of savings. Glad that you were recommended when I typed mid-range pc build/er. All the best!
So glad you found us!
Granted I’m a high end buyer but when I built my latest system I went 10850k knowing I would upgrade to a 3080, and I did just that. When I see what the 4080 ect has in store then it may be time to build new system again, not sure yet. But as said. On the high end budget it makes sense to go top Tier sometimes. I used a strix-E z590 mobo, all NVME storage, high end PSU. Knowing it would last me threw at least 1 generation of up coming GPUs.
I have a 9700k and 3080ti. Sure I could do with a cpu upgrade, but there's never a bottleneck on this build. I've overclocked it to 5ghz and it stays under 50c on load with a noctua cooler.
I run all games on max and without raytracing I'm getting 110-180fps or more. (3440× 1440p)
I get 16800 on time spy, and in top 90% so happy with 9700k for now.
On avg my cpu is at 40-60% load and gpu is 90-98%
I think I'll just wait for 14 series cpus tbh.
Spent $380 for an EVGA RTX 3060 a few months ago. Even with a very old Ryzen 5 CPU it is getting me 60-70fps in 4K with high and even some ultra settings with ray tracing on. Just picked up a Ryzen 7 5700x for $200. Really curious to see how this will boost performance when I get it installed.
Please update asap, I'm wondering if I should go for a ryzen 5 5600x or a ryzen 7 5800x
One thing of importance, its better to have a gpu bottleneck then a cpu one. As the later one will effect more then just your fps, input may not be processed and you stutter all over the place.
does that mean better gpu or cpu
@@zacht3425 GPU bottleneck is preferable over CPU bottleneck. So it´s less of a problem to have a worse gpu then to have a bad cpu that sits on 100% load while the gpu is bored.
im 14 and having to buy/build everything on my own,he has made it cheap and understandable really love this guy!!
So glad we can help!
Ryzen 5 3600+RTX3080 is surprisingly awesome combo for gamers.
At 4K,there is very little to no difference.
EDIT:
I am sorry, it was 3950X and 10900K
For other resolutions it's also decent.
Especially 1440p.
Hardware Unboxed tested it.
Of course they recommend some other CPU,it was surpringly awesome.
At 4K there is no real true reason to get anything better.
Especially much better.
It can serve as a place holder,until you can afford much better CPU for 1080o and 1440p.
Like...3950X.
Though in the meantime,the mighty 5800X3D came out.
The ultimate AM4 gaming CPU.
This has been my plan for 2-3 years for my R5 3600 + 2070S combo: I want to keep my 3600 and just upgrade to a 3080 since I only play at 4K. On most games I'm GPU limited but I've been wondering if enabling DLSS in 4K (so, essentially rendering frames at 1080p or 1440p) would benefit from a faster CPU though.
Yeah the CPU gaming hype is real, a $150-200 CPU opens the budget for a better GPU which matters way more these days....
if you aren't doing workstaton and content creation workflows it makes little sense to go for 8 core $350+ CPUs when FPS differences are maybe 15 FPS in gaming...
If you aren't running 4K it matters even less.
3600/3060 Ti Combo has been working wonders for my with Ultra 1080/High 1440p.
Rather have 100 FPS, 70 FPS dips lower rez than 4K and having sub-60 dips with power transients and more micro-stutters.
@@efrainl
Just get 3080 and if unhappy with the difference,just return it😂 .
As I said,there was no difference between 3600,10900K and RX3950X @4K
@@atranimecs
Actually micro stuters with 3600+RTX3080 are non-existent in 20 something games Hardware Unboxed tested.
At best/worst,there was maybe 10% difference no big deal at 4K.
Tell me,do you play with FPS and Microstuters ON or OFF?
The guy likes 4K.
RTX3080 should make it even better.
Though I am wondering why doesn't he try DLSS.
@@efrainl
Why not try DLSS with your 2070 Super?
About 8 months ago, when the GPU shortage had priced me out and money was tighter for me, I built a small form factor pc that I'm using right now. It has a Ryzen 5600g so I didn't have to spend anything on a graphics card, and 32gb of ram because some of the games I love to play need it for the mods. Fast forward to this week I just ordered a 3080 12gb and a Ryzen 9 5900x. I got the 3080 at MSRP, and for being in Australia where the supply was really scarce for the last couple years, I was happy with that.
that's a bad ass build. Enjoy it!
Why would you need a ryzen 9 590X? a ryzen 5 5700X would have been largely sufficient for a RTX 3080
@@antonkesting-kim5178 Primarily for design work in Unreal Engine 5. I've done a lot of design work in the past in AutoCAD that I'd like to use towards making a video game. I've got a lot of original assets that were originally intended for 3D Printing but I'd like to give them a new life. UE5 and AutoCAD use a ton of CPU. I've maxed out my CPU and RAM usage on my 5600g with 32GB RAM many times. The heftier CPU will just make loading in objects happen in real time instead of always having a bad lag and super slow rendering times.
If I was just building a PC exclusively for gaming I'd probably do a 5700x with a 3060.
Man... this video is amazing. Especially since i'm studding to upgrade my PC after years and years without building a PC. Thanks!
So glad we could help!! Best wishes on your upgrade
In short, it's better to have a 5600 processor paired with an RTX 3080 than an i9 processor paired with an RTX 3060.
As someone who'll never buy a GPU that costs more than $400, I'm so glad I bought the Ryzen 5600x. It's probably not gonna bottleneck a $400 GPU for 2 more generations of GPU
And hopefully those new future GPU's will be much less power hungry than the imminent RTX 4000 series and even the new AMD GPU's.
@@fyorbane only once we replace the transistors themselves by something else.
Their increase in numbers and higher clockspeeds cancells out any consumption reduction done by smaller process node.
4090 will have 60% more CUDA cores (and these cores are dinosaurs in the computer space, i don't know why Nvidia hangs on with them) and even highly clocks. So more power is obvious sadly. We're in the end of node shrink anyway (less than 3 nm is unlikely to be any reliable because too few atoms).
Thank you for this. Finally I have a video to recommend to people I know who want to build a PC but won't listen to my advice. I told my friend that he would be much better off with a 5600x (5600, 5700x, & 5800x3D were not out at this time) vs a 3950x, but he listened to my incompetent cousin instead and went for the latter only because "it's the most expensive one bro, it's the fastest you can get". Despite this being *after* the launch of Zen3...and my friend literally just wanted to build a PC for gaming. They also went with a 3070 Ti, so it's kinda funny to think about how a sub-$200 CPU can better run that GPU than the $400+ he paid at the time for the previous gen Ryzen 9. Could've used that money towards a 3080 and gotten even *more* performance in gaming. This is also without factoring in the cost of the 360mm NZXT Kraken AIO he got to keep that 3950x cooled, when he could've done better and spent less overall.
Interesting, what would you recommend for a b550 plus MOBO, 3070TI gpu? I was heading towards the Ryzen 7 5800x, Im incompetent when it comes to tech but I avoid buying the latest stuff.
p.s I use my computer to mainly play Competitive games like, Valorant, Apex Legends,Warzone etc.
@@kaifairtex9157 get a 5700x if you want to use a 3070ti. It's the best bang for the buck 8-core you can get for AM4. If you want to play at 1440p or higher, the 5600x should do the trick. I personally have a 5600 (non x) and 3060ti and play at 1440p no problem. 1080p runs perfectly fine too, but DLSS helps with fps + consistency and has less of a visual impact on games than people care to admit.
Thanks that helped a lot now I can build my own pc and teach others:)
That's the dream! You can check out our "How to Build a PC" step by step building guide video too if that's helpful (:
@@PCBuilderChannel Thank you for the suggestion!
How well do you think a 5800X3D paired with a 6600/6650XT or 6700/6750XT would do if I am wanting Ultra settings? Currently using a 1080P screen, but eventually like to upgrade to 1440P or 4K. I know WoW is mostly CPU performance driven, so I am wondering how lesser of a GPU I can go without suffering.
I have a 6750xt paired with a 3700x and I get 400fps on overwatch, 700fps on rocket league, and 400-600fps on Valorant so take that as you will
@@solarft Is that on max settings?
Great analysis ! Do you think a 5600x will be enough with the new RX 7000 series or should I upgrade? I play at 1080p (maybe 1440p by the time these new GPUs come out) but always aim for high fps above all else.
A 5600x is already too good for 1080p gaming and so is your graphics card most likely. If you get a 7000 series gpu before you get a new monitor you just completely wasted your money. You will see literally nothing different on your monitor with the capabilities of these cards, probably even the one you have now is heavily limited. If you have a 5600x rig you should already be on a 2k monitor with 120+hz period if you dont have that go ahead and buy the 7900xt it wont do shit. I think some people should just stick to what they know, as youre obviously just parroting pro gamers with this "high fps above all else" shit when no one else thinks that way.
It should be more than enough for 2k
This is the first video I watched from this channel and its been great learning experience ever since.😊
Love to hear that it's been a great experience! Hope you keep enjoying all the content!
By the way, what do you think of Ryzen 5 5500? It was written off by most reviewers, and at the MSRP, there is no wonder why.
But at the current pricing, and with cheap B450 boards, it can compete with i3-12100F by being cheaper in total and similar in performance.
Of course, like 10105F, it would be bad to pair it with RX 6500 XT or RX 6400 for the same PCIe 3.0 reason :)
Because at this pricepoint it's competing with a ryzen 5 5600, and they are both very cheap to buy. for minor dif in price the 5600 is a much better buy at this pricepoint unless your budget is really stretched. The much larger L3 cache on the 5600 and higher boost clock makes it worth it.
@@stix_0910 At the point I was writing it, the price difference was quite big where I live, it was about 40 % less. R5 5600 went down in price lately though, and R5 5500 didn't go down much further, and moreover, the price and availability of good B450 boards is not as good as it was back then.
Great video, as always Jason. 👍 As someone who is a bit rusty when it comes to building (my last build was over 6 years ago), I feel like the CPU is the hardest part to know what to get, for me personally at least. I know that I wanna be able to play graphically demanding AAA single player games at 1440p/60+fps, and I'm probably going to do a little bit of creativity (blender, photo/video/audio editing and so on) too. I was thinking of something in line with the 5800X. But maybe I don't need it if I'm not going to do creativity tasks at a pro level? The GPU I'm aiming for is the RTX3080 10GB (12GB). Would I be fine with a 5700X or even a 5600X, or is a more powerful CPU (like the 5800X) recommended?
Go for the 12GB 3080 model if you can, it is actually faster in addition to having 2 more GB of VRAM (not as important but nice). 5700X would be fine especially for 1440p or 4K gaming. 12600K is a better overall CPU (but cost is more) if doing a lot of long duration multithreaded work, though the 5700X is no slouch at these tasks either. Honestly if you mostly do easier photoshop stuff, 5600X would be fine and for $175 right now it's a great deal.
@@PCBuilderChannel Thanks for your feedback. Yeah, basically I just wanna get the most "bang for my bucks" and not over spend in the wrong places. I'm not building it right now, since GPU prices are still way above MSRP here in Sweden. The cheapest (available) 3080 (10GB) models are stuck at $1000-$1100 right now, hopefully NVidia's recent price reduction in the US will make our prices go down soon too.
great video keep it up :)
Thank you!
wish i saw this a decade back when i started getting into this. love how simply you put things while giving enough to learn more if the viewer wants to.
Thanks so much for the great feedback! So glad you enjoyed and hope you keep enjoying the content!
Finally someone who doesn’t downplay the power of the 12100 and 12400. Sometimes people forget that these cpus can go toe to toe with a 5600, which can handle a 3080. And when the 12400/12100 boosts, it can certainly get a huge performance gain
I'm a PC building newb. Which CPU would you recommend to pair with an RTX 3090 for 1440p ultra graphics settings gaming?
@@sirbughunter anything 12600k and above. At 1440p ultra your GPU will limit you more than your CPU does.
I’m upgrading my monitor from 1080P 165Htz to a 1440P 240htz with a 1MS response time and I was also thinking about a cpu upgrade. I have a X570 MB with a 5800X as well as a 3090 and was wondering if a 5950X would be a good upgrade to have for a couple of years. I do mainly gaming with some video editing. Thanks
Same question here on ryzen 5600X... Best Ryzen CPU for 2/3 years in the future.
You don't need an upgrade. The 5800X is more than capable to handle 1440p @ 240Hz since at that resolution the CPU is less important since the GPU is doing most of the work. With your 3090 you're all set, you don't really need to upgrade.
I'd recommend to save your money.
@@hellvengtfo amen
5800X with 3090 is fairly high end. 5950X won't see much performance increase, really your next stop is the 5800X3D. Even then at 1440p not sure how much of an increase you'll get.
5600X with 3090 is a little imbalanced but not terrible. Consider dropping in a 5700X or a 5800X3D.
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for!!!
Awesome! So glad we could help.
Currently have a 5950x and a 3080 (originally wanted a 3090, but I could not find one), looking to upgrade to a 4090 when it is released (assuming the prices don't skyrocket again). Probably gonna keep my CPU the same for a little while though.
Truly a rich kid 👍👍👍
this aged like milk
It's interesting seeing how different markets perform. You mention that the 3080 12GB and 6900XT are about the same price. Here in Australia you there's a $500 AUD difference between the cheapest options of both, with 9 models of 6900XT cheaper than the cheapest 3080 12GB, meaning that, at least at the high end, AMD offers better value here.
Very interesting! Since the 6900 XT actually slightly outperforms the 3080 12GB (and by quite a bit at 1080p), its definitely the best value then!
I have an ASUS TUF Gaming NVIDIA GeForse RTX 3060, what CPU do you recommend?
instead of buying a gtx 1660 buy a rtx 4090!
Well, I began buying parts during the late 2020 and early 2021 when most things were too highly priced. I ended buying a TUF X570 plus motherboard, a Ryzen 5900X which at the time cost around €600, 32GB of RAM etc. The only thing I did not get at the time was a GPU because I was not prepared to stay up nights to check when these came in stock and definitely was not prepared to spend 3x or 4x for a GPU to those scalpels. I feel sad for those who did fall into that trap. This week I've ordered a Radeon RX 6800XT at €675 so my PC will finally be complete and I can remove the 1050 I had in it.
I was not after top end anything but wanted to build a PC which could last me for at least 7/8 years for the work I do but still wanted "almost" the highest within a budget.
this is late but i love it. i have the same mindset i never want top end because you get deminishing returns for performance vs what you pay. So i usually go above mid teir but not top tier .
Amazingly useful guide. Real eye-opener. Thanks.
How is the combo of an i5 11400F with a RTX 3060? would I be better off getting an i3 12100F?
Glad I watched this. Thanks!
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Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching
Jason, I bloody love you mate!!!!! Ever grateful for your content!
Much appreciated, so glad we could help! Thanks so much for your support :)
just bought combo of midrange GPU+CPU and now i see u recomend the exact same items, cool
oh dude this channel rocks - thanks for doing all this
Happy to help! Glad you enjoyed!
This info is pure gold. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you for watching
Just finished my first pc build week ago!
CPU: R5 5600x/
GPU: RX 6700 XT
MB: GIGABYTE AORUS ELITE V2
1TB KINGSTON SSD
2X8GB 3200MHZ CL16 KINGSTON RGB RAMS
DEEPCOOL AG400 RGB CPU COOLER
CASE: ENDORFY SIGNUM 300/ 4X120MM RGB Fans + mesh front
700w 80+ gold evga psu
You look like Scotty Kilmer for PC! Been watching your videos recently. Thanks for all the great informative content.
Very cool video! Now I know something about this
Loved the video! I just got a 2nd hand RX 6700 (upgrade from Vega 64 which did some issues/crashes and had to be replaced)….. however, I’m running a very old CPU - Ryzen 5 1500x.
How crazy is my bottlencking?
And which CPU should I get assuming money is an issue?
Thank you!!
I just built a great computer for less than any PC building site. For under $2000, I got an i7 13700k, with 32 GBs of G.SKILL Ripjaws S5 5600mhz DDR5 RAM, an RTX 3080 Ti Aorus Master GPU, ASUS Prime Z690-P motherboard, a Corsair RM850x power supply, a SAMSUNG 980 PRO SSD 2TB M.2, and a Noctua NH-U12A chromax.Black CPU cooler, and had it put into a be quiet! Pure Base 500DX with an extra 140mm fan added to the case (total 4x 140mm "be quiet! Silent Wings 3" fans). Grand total, including cost to have it put together for me: $1975. Great year too.
Caveats: I got the CPU, the power supply, and the motherboard as "open box" sale items (saved about $120). And the GPU was "used" in "like new" condition for $700 (saved $700) with all packaging in pristine condition and under warranty. And I got the CPU cooler on a Black Friday deal for 35% off regular price and saved about $40.
full disclosure, it cost about $45 more to have it built than I expected because they needed to flash the bios in order to install the i7 13700k. Trouble was, there is no flash button on that motherboard, so they had to install an 12700k first, and then flash and update the bios. Cost an extra half an hour. But I thought I could squeeze in an extra 1 TB SSD SATA and keep it under $2000, but turned out I went over by about $40. So I didn't count that.
Thank you, this was exactly what i needed!
Thank you for watching. We love to hear it!
I was holidaying in the US and picked up a 5600G to upgrade my 2200G, and 32GB of 3600 memory that I have clocked at 4000 from Microcenter, prices similar or less than second hand stuff back home at the moment, were I was going to but a GPU from best buy but they suck, plus I can probably pick a better one up on the second hand market cheaper.
Upgrade to what will make you not frustrated with your system, remember it's a constant treadmill of hardware development, so it's always cheaper to be slightly behind the bleeding edge, plus all the issues have normally been ironed out by then.
I was going to poke fun at this video, but after watching it, I realized I'm a total douchebag b/c your video was extremely helpful and the combo with min/max GPU with CPU was on point! I'm a terrible human being but that's ok. Thumbs up and Subed. Thank you for your time and such a detailed video. Truly,
Awesome channel. I just picked up an HP victus 15L for 400 . I’m not into RGB and not much space on the desk so for me this was perfect and been gaming without any issues or noticiable bottlenecking .
We love to hear it! Thank you so much for watching, glad it worked out!
I built my pc in 2020. It has a ryzen 5 1400, 16gb of ram 3200mhz ddr4, an rx 570 4gb, an a 320m by gigabyte, a 450W PSU 80+ bronze by EVGA. I target playing elden ring decently what should i upgrade?
Been watching so many videos to prepare for my first build, thanks for all the great info
Glad to help and best wishes on your build!! You got this!
Helpful video.
Thanks man. 👍
Glad it helped! Thank you for watching
Glad to hear that the i3 12100f + RX 6600 combo i just bought wasn't a bad choice
probably one of the best combos currently considering price to performance.
Another fantastic and helpful video. Thanks
So glad it was helpful!!
Intel i7-11700K
MSI Z590 Plus
RTX 3070 TI
Corsair Vengeance 3200 2x8GB
Evo 970 Plus 256GB
Monitor 144Hz Free Sync
Is that good ?
Would not recommend a 256GB SSD. I'd suggest getting yourself an 500GB at least. You will be annoyed that there is not enough space in a while - but you will never be annoyed by having a few GBs of free disk space. Other than that, that sounds fine, pretty good choice
I'm currently using a Ryzen 7 5700X with an RX 6800 in my gaming PC and it has absolutely no problem playing the latest games in 1440P 144Hz at ultra settings and also has no problems running games in 4K and i think it's going to be a few years before i feel the need to get anything more powerful.
Love this! Thanks so much you're the best!
So glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching
I got a pre made PC which had an i5 4440 and 16gb of DDR3. So I bought an RTX 3060, planning on upgrading most of the rest of the PC later on. It did just fine for a while, but I recently started playing Forza Horizon 5, which has to retrieve assets from the hard drive very quickly. So my older CPU and RAM really struggle with it. I have to play on lower graphics so that the assets are lighter. So because of this, and the fact that I play a lot of Minecraft, which is very CPU intensive, I think I'm going to upgrade to a Ryzen 7 5700x and 32gb of DDR4. Feel free to give your opinion.
Sounds good!
@@PCBuilderChannel nice thanks!
we need people more like you making good purchasing decision
Glad we can help!
Hi Jason! I had a question and I thought you'd be the perfect proffesional to answer the question. I currently have a 6900xt gpu but an old i7 cpu so theres a bottleneck. I was wondering if wether the lastest i9 or ryzen cpu would be best? I will be using it to game at 240hz and 1080p. Budget is not a worry, I simply just want the best cpu to pair with the 6900xt. Thank you!
Check out our 5800X3D or 7600X Build Guide videos, would pair great with that GPU!
@@PCBuilderChannel Thank you very much!
Hi! a few months ago I bought an ASUS Rog Strix OC GeForce 3070TI at an excellent price and I also bought an EVGA Supernova 850GT Power Supply. Now I plan to finish building the PC and I have $1000 dollars budget for the remaining parts, it should be noted that I already have monitor, keyboard and mouse, but I have no idea what are the parts that best suit me to finish the PC. I would use it for video editing in Adobe Premiere, After Effects and colorization in DaVinci Resolve. If you can help me I would really appreciate it!
You could go for an i5 13600k. Its a powerful CPU for the job, Aorus Z790 aorus elite AX D4 or a Z690 that's bios flashbacked, 2x16 3600 CL16 DDR4, 2TB nvme ssd, a good 240mm aio, and a case you want. ( the Lian Li Lancool 216 would be by recommendation )
Hello! Yep I agree with Rogue, take a look at our 13600K build guide on the channel. You could also consider our 7600x build
Would a Ryzen 5700x and a RX 6800 XT combo be good? I use a 1080 p Monitor maybe upgrade to a 1440p
Answered elsewhere (:
Nice video thank you for researching all that cpu min max data
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1:58 well it's not like that anymore. I have a RTX 3080 and i9 9900k with 2x16 GB DDR4 3200Mhz Rams and I get around 55-70 fps in Reserve map of Tarkov but another man with a RTX 2070 and i9 12900k with 2x16 GB DDR5 5466Mhz can get 90-110 fps in the same map. Some games are CPU bound but usually games are GPU bound, not Tarkov tho, it's extremely CPU bound. And I play mostly CPU bound games such as Tarkov, League of Legends, Valorant, etc.
The weird thing is, if I lower all my Tarkov settings to the lowest + playing with 1080p, I'll get worse performance in-game. BUT, if I use DLDSR to upscale my monitor's 1080p resolution to artificial 3k(2880x1620 in 16:9) + maximize all my settings to around high/ultra + using DLSS, I'll get much better performance. The difference is really insane, not I only get more fps but my game also looks phenomenal.
Nowadays, a GPU like 2070 is really enough for every game and upgrading/buying a high performance CPU + RAM is more important for games imo. Even I have 3080, i9 9900k and 32gb ddr4 3200mhz rams, I can't get insane amount of fps in every game.
Edit: I must mention that I know all the basics for PC optimizing using Nvidia Control Panel, Process Lasso, ISLC etc. I surely know how to optimize a game so don't say to me that I couldn't optimize Tarkov and that another man has optimized Tarkov perfectly, nope, I know how to optimize games as well.
Good breakdown man.....well done
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