I couldn’t disagree more! Before I bought myself this Rolex, people would say: Him? Oh, he’s nothing. Forget about him. Now it’s different. I overheard someone talking about me yesterday, and she said: “Let’s beat him up and take his watch.”
You must have some weird friends or acquaintances, that’s all I can say. I got lots of expensive watches but no one would ever say that about me, so much I know…
9:17 "To bite my tongue and enjoy their happiness with them." Sure, I would never buy a Moonswatch, but my manager is super happy wearing his to work every single day, and I think that's cool. Our collections being so different is what makes talking about out hobby so much more interesting.
Hilarious!! I actually agreed with most of your hot takes. Here’s one of my own: AP’s Royal Oak is every bit as hideous as any Richard Mille! I am always thoroughly entertained by your videos. Well done 🥃
Nobody argues about top three; that’s a given! When it comes to the mid luxury market then things change! Rolex have cornered that market through their distribution in conjunction with the grey dealers and wait lists. Don’t waste your money on an inferior product when you can buy a far superior watch with better build quality and certification…… omega!
@@sirrugglesby2190 I would argue about the top three. But then I would argue about which flavor of ice cream is better. IMHO A. Lange & Söhne, FP Journe, and Patek Philippe are the top three (Nautilus not withstanding).
100% agree that Rolex is not a high end watch. And they know because you don’t see advertisements of Ferrari for example, but guests what: Rolex is the most advertised brand. And is advertise in place that aren’t for super rich people but you can se their advertising on stuff for middle class. Patek don’t need to advertise the Nautilus. Rolex is exactly like Apple: not the best but the most desirable because of the marketing around.
Back when I knew next to nothing about watches, I saw a Royal Oak and instantly fell in love. No one is doing that for RM, it's only about the clout....
The watch community's insistence on viewing everything through the lens of "how does this compare to a Rolex?) reminds me of a few sports blogs/vlogs who would love to talk more about baseball, hockey, soccer, cycling, etc... but they also know that their bills are paid from the people who will read/watch anything and everything about the NFL.
Here in Italy is the same but with soccer (or football for the other side of the pond). Here everything is soccer related. I tell you a funny thing: Francesco Bagnaia, 2022 MotoGp World Champion, was chosen to be the testimonial for the 2023 TIM advertisement campaign, TIM being the biggest communication company in Italy and one of the biggest sponsor of Ducati MotoGp Team. In this very days a new spot is on air with his name and face, cruising with "a friend of his" but... in the spot he's always out of focus! Why? Because his "friend" is Fabio Cannavaro, a beloved ex soccer player, one of the team that won the World Title in 2006! All the lead shots in the spot are for Cannavaro, while Bagnaia is ALWAYS out of focus! I mean, I do understand that MotoGp isn't as loved as soccer, but a fresh world champion that won the world title with an italian bike after Agostini (more or less 50 years ago) is put aside because the soccer player is more recognizable to the masses, gives you the level of sports around here... Everyone here knows who Cannavaro is. The same who knows what a Rolex is.
@@stupidocanerosaI’m from Indonesia and I could totally relate with your analogy above. Folks here are big on football too, Lega Calcio was the biggest thing when I grew up.
Good stuff. IMO, the reason why resale value (investment) matters to peace of mind is because we too often buy watches we can't really afford. I don't mean you can't pay for it (eventually) but it's so damn expensive that you can't afford to lose and replace it.
Brand reputation and history actually means everything to me as a consumer. Just like how you’re advised to not purchase new models of a car, I wouldn’t purchase new brands of a watch. Rolex has been around for 100+ years, their watches have mechanical movements that have survived WW2 battlefields, and if you can get a stainless steel model at MSRP, the value for the money is absolutely there. If new companies become more well established in the years to come, I’ll definitely consider them, but not before then!
Like your assessment. My friend and I bought SS Rolex and Heuer chrono and dive watches in the past. Seems like Sinn, Damasko, and Ward are doing good things currently. Moser & Cie is my go to for time art.
I’ve had several Rolex’s, Omegas still but now I wear a nice Oris Aquis! Newer entry luxury watches around $2,000 are all I need now! My Oris gains about 2 seconds a week.
Hi Andrew, can you sort out your editing so the jingle between watches doesn’t sound as though you’ve cut it, part way through? Been meaning to say this since your first personal post - it would just sound so much more polished. Love your commentary by the way.
Great video. My own hot take: rolex is a bit like an iphone. Everyone knows what it is, they're expensive but dig down into them and you realise more often than not- they're trash, or at least not as good as others which are cheaper.
Things I guess I soft disagree with your stance WRT rolex and wait lists. I disregard the more wild conspiracy theories but otoh, rolex does decide their product mix, rolex does decide not to sell direct and rolex has elected not to take deposits and sell to a real wait list. No one is holding a gun to rolexs head here, they can change a lot of things - everything - about their inventory and distribution to improve the luxury experience - they choose not too.
Andrew, I could agree with almost everything you say, except when you talk about RM. I don't think it can be compared to the AP Royal Oak, or any other watch for that matter. For me it is, and always will be, a joke, a sample of bad taste, an aberration without any aesthetic value, and they could be giving them away in a machine or at a fair, and I would never want one. I don't care how many complications they put inside that 'thing', if it looks like some colorful gift watch that children wear when they are 1 or 2 years old, it amazes me that adults may want to display them (proudly). This only happens because we are in an era of inversion of values, in which the beautiful is devalued, and the horrible is glorified. It's comparable to when someone gives millions for a painting with some paint running, but for which there is always someone who invents a complex and esoteric artistic meaning, saying for instance that the artist was experiencing a personal drama of some kind when he created that "work of art". In short, RM designs are simply hideous, and there is no turning back, no matter how many people need to put them on a pedestal.
One thing I like to say when provoked is that Rolex is the BMW of the watch world, then I let people interpret that take however they please. ;-) - Cheers! //Rick
1:42 *"It changed the way people thought about watches. They weren't **_timekeepers_** anymore; they were **_status_** symbols."* *Watches as status symbols is certainly not a concept **_Royal Oak_** created in the 1970's. Watches (even for just pragmatic purposes) require highly-specialized expertise and materials to create. There's a reason they're considered jewelry. They've been a relative status symbol since inception **_(long_** before Oak or Mille flexed the wrists of Titans, rappers and wannabes).*
The Seiko saved me 2 years worth of $300 parking tickets. I set my timer for 30 minutes in a loading zone. That way I know how long I've got in that zone for a delivery. A normal delivery takes about 5-10 minutes. But if you're making a delivery for a public servant, the delivery can take up to 45 minutes. So you need to cut them off within the 30 minute time frame or risk a $300 fine.
RM doesn’t appeal to my personal tastes but I do genuinely appreciate the technology they have implemented. The design aesthetic is something else entirely. I do think they have contributed to pushing existing watchmaking forward. As for Rolex, I own several and have always said that they are overpriced. Great watches but I think they could easily be 20%+ less. To be fair, you could say that many watches are overpriced/overhyped but that doesn’t mean that they are not great quality. Royal oak is a great example of that but it is still one of my favorite pieces.
AP is heeding the same way as Hublot. You are wrong about one thing… pushers and all sort of things are falling of Hublot. Terrible quality. Spot on with Rolex. Mid level brand. Same as GS and Omega. They have models topping Omega, and Omega has models topping Rolex. Breguet, A. Lange for me is the generic top of the pop, beyond AP and Patek.
Well I finally walked into the local Rolex store hosted by Mayors and registered for the Titanium Yacht-Master 42. I'll never get the call two years from now. Perfect!
I like be yours takes and agree with all of them. I imagine your hot take on Hublot caused Nico-tine Leonard to spew more of his venom up after he heard your take.
One should appreciate each watch for what it is. Even if one can’t afford or doesn’t like a watch. The variety means the industry is moving forward and there is s watch for every taste snd pocket. Exposure and openness to various watches makes you learn and appreciate more, and refines your taste. I have an analog-digital Casio, a Swiss, and a Japanese automatics. Hope to add a Moonwatch, a grail of mine, and a manual wind I don’t have yet. And a MAD1 green. A modern and avant-garde watch.
Porsche did too, a friend of mine in Norway had a Porsche tractor from the 1950’s, one cylinder diesel. It was parked away for years, he said let’s try and get it started fetched a battery, hooked it up and is started right up without hesitation, amazing machine…
I for one wouldn’t miss all the Rolex videos being put out (across every channels that is). There’s really nothing interesting left to say about them that hasn’t already been said. But I know it’s good click bait so I know it’ll continue…
I was in an AD on the weekend and even though they are a JLC agent they essentially said that JLC is dead in the water as an innovator. AP? Breguet? PP? And out complicating the rivals is not innovation. I have Rolexes, however I think their attempt at cool with the multi coloured OP is a little pathetic and straying from Andrew's very good observation that Rolex is simply doing what they have always done. It's the baying mob that gets their collective knickers in a knot over self created bubbles and predjudiced opinions. Once you get over the shock of the new there are some great new brands out there that are the real innovators, however don't write off heritage otherwise we won't get releases like the Omega Ed White.
I remember when I would watch I Watchfinder video to learn about interesting details about watches, some I had heard of and some I hadn't. The one thing I was guaranteed was beautiful micro-shots that made me want every watch Andrew discussed. Now, I feel like I'm getting the Target version of a Nico episode (him being Walmart). What happened to Andrew and what happened to Watchfinder? That's my "hot take".
I would tend, as others seemingly do, to agree. The drive, starting with the omnipresent 'Rolex' in the title, is all about clicks rather than substance. As is the proliferation of short reels which is testament to what is a simple but cynical business decision to put clicks above substance. I understand that but whilst adopting that route may bring short term gains the brand appeal is being rapidly diluted. I have a number of old clips saved in my library but I can't think of anything I have recently viewed that I have felt worthy of saving or that has added to my, or indeed anyone's sum of knowledge. In short, our host has gone down market and become a red-top tabloid version of what used to be a must-watch channel. None of this is an accident. It is very probably a calm marketing call in tandem with marketing trips to the US which have recently been advertised. Personally, I am somewhat disappointed but unsurprised. I can understand the push to monetise the brand, such as it is.
I disagree with your remark about treating watches as an investment; watches shouldn't be an investment. That said, I agree with what you said after that: financial considerations should be part of a a watch purchase there's a vast difference between "don't purchase watches that will lose all their value" and "don't buy watches as an investment". Investments are places where you put your money on the assumption it will go up in value for the good of your long term financial health. Betting on a watch to go up is unsound: the market is in a massive bubble. You also shouldn't buy anything you think will lose half of it's value tomorrow; wait until tomorrow and buy it used. You also shouldn't empty out your entire retirement account and purchase a bunch of Rolex watches.
Hot take: all “expensive” watches will be brought down to earth over the next twenty years and people holding onto AP/VC/PP etc will be out a lot of money they “invested”
Some people just dont need to find anything to disagree with to get all fired up over nothing. This might turn out be a great example of how to wind up youtubers just by being in the room.
The only reason that Rolex watches are scarce is that drug dealers snarf them all up since they use them as a payment method between each other when doing larger drug deals. Instead of hauling a bag of cash, they have a Rolex on their arm, and then they do not as they walk away with a considerable amount of drugs. Same goes for used car salesman as they are buying up chop parts from stolen BMWs. Note, often the used car salesman is also a drug dealer. Something to ponder the next time you see someone with the Rolex you crave on his arm.
I actually agree with most of these ❤ Only thing i slightly disagree with is buying watches as investment. Yes it's nice to have the peace of mind but if you have no plans on selling your watch then that really doesnt matter. Don't hold yourself to just watches with investment potential if other not-so-popular watches suit your fancy. 😊
Perhaps one needs to categorize watch "collectors" - then one can make assumptions about motive. Each type has their virtues and deficits. I.e. Profit / value retention driven, pure enthusiast ( for whatever reason ), aesthetic motivation, technical appreciation, historic relevance, etc etc. To each their own. My own collection is evolving as I gain self realisation. Where it goes is the journey, much like anything I suppose. Note - I use "one" not in a elitist sense but in an egalitarian sense, in as much as I am humbly able.
@@gazz501 i was merely offering an opinion and option from my point of view. It does over generalize, but i welcome and accept differing and contradicting opinions to my own. As you put it, to each their own. We can all enjoy this hobby how we best see fit 🍻
@ryangochuico I wasn't critical of your comment. I, perhaps clumsily, was stating that there is also room in the collecting world for value motivated collectors. Your statement echoes my thoughts exactly. After all - it's only watches. Cheers.
I think just let people spend THEIR money on what THEY want, why THEY want. All this holier than thou attitude is sad. Telling people they have to wear watches they own, or cannot buy for investment etc. etc. People often overlook that they may have multiple watches and do a bit of everything. I am sure nobody ever tells a Swatch Collector he has to wear all 100 Swatches on rotation throughout the year! We’re they not ‘made to be worn’ just as much as a Rolex, or a Ferrari was ‘made to be driven’? But when it’s a Rolex it seems standard practice for the ne’er do wells in the comments to insist upon it! Equally people would support a collector of most things doing it for a potential financial gain, but when it’s an expensive watch……. Not so much 😂
The problem with Rolex isn’t that the AD won’t sell you one. It’s that they treat people terribly when they are basic. Don’t act like your The French Laundry when your The Cheesecake Factory.
Well, “terrible”? What is terrible? They tell you that they can’t sell you the watch you want because for every watch Rolex make there must be maybe 3 people ready to buy it, often more. What would you do if you owned a company making 1 million watches each year but 3-5 million people want to buy one? I bet you in the end would get a bit tired about turning people away with sorry I can’t really help you…
@@truxton1000 terrible is saying, “I will put you on the waiting list for this watch.” Five minutes after leaving get a phone call asking to come back to the Ad. Get back to the AD and told, “I can’t put you on the waiting list until you buy this watch.” And then getting a call 10 days later saying that I you actually have to buy this ladies watch before you buy this other watch before you get on the waiting list. I mean just be honest and upfront with people. Don’t laugh at anyone who comes in. Don’t play games. Just tell it like it is.
@@benjambm I agree with you. But remember that it’s people involved in this, and we all know how people can behave. My ultimate point is that as long as there are more demand for Rolex watches than they can produce people will always express that they are unhappy. And Rolex themselves has no solution either as they can not meet the current demand. So even if every sales person at the AD’s was super helpful, super polite and super at everything people would STILL complain, fact. Personally I don’t really care that sales people are rude, unhappy and unprofessional as I experience this almost every day in all sorts of shops, that’s life for you.
@@benjambm Yes, and it seems like most people that complain seems to not understand that? The sales people in AD’s has usually the shop full of other stuff than Rolex. Of course they want to shift as much of it as possible for every customer they allow to buy a Rolex, and sensible seller would think like that.
I agree with you on the notion of Chinese watches and movements. There is a reason why ARAGON used them for many models. Many of you reading may pass this comment off as nonsense. But understand that a small boutique watch company doesn't thrive for 32 years making crap watches. And they are only getting better.
Chinese watches are getting better, but so is everyone else, even the Chinese fakes. I believe that Chinese watches will always be a niche. Will they go mainstream? May be, but Grand Seiko will be mainstream before any Chinese watch manufacturer will, if that day ever comes.
The reason you skirted about RUclipsrs making videos about Rolex is that the algorithm demands it if you want any chance of success. As for the perennial investment question, you can only lose your shirt if you sell your watch and crystallise the loss. The answer is to not sell your watches.
Two big laughs for me. First, I just commented on all the kvetching in the comments on the Farer/Rolex video on Watchfinder. You clearly knew the gripes were coming…again. Second, I grew up in an an American town that was a port for British oppressors with cobblestone streets made by Hessian POWs. Every other storefront was “Ye Olde Shoppe” of triangle caps or bagpipes or whatever. Of course, in our less dramatic sense of rebellion, we mispronounced “olde” as “oldie”, as in sweating to the oldies. Good to hear you do the same. And to paraphrase NWA, “fu€k tha heritage brands”.
Holy trinity for watches for me has always been PP, AP, and VC. There's others like A. Lange & Söhne that are high end and fantastic, but those three are notorious for being the holy trinity of high end. I don't own any of them unfortunately, but I love the Nautilus and Overseas. The Royal Oak is also a great watch, but AP and the hype train they drive leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'd never own one. I do own two Rolex and love that they only seem to appreciate in value, I also drive a Toyato and think it's the best metaphor for Rolex. Solid, reliable and a workhorse I don't have to worry about.
Okay, point taken about your audience wanting Rolex videos even though I don't. Fair enough. However, you were mistaken early on when you described Rolexes as a good investment, and then later on when you talked about watches in general as investments. Sure, someone may see a rise in value if they buy a Rolex now. Or next year. And possibly forever. But when people buy things as investments, rather than because of the intrinsic value of those things -- that is what is known as a bubble. Remember all those people buying real estate in 2006, or crypto in 2021, and being so unbearably smug because they thought they were the smartest people in the world? They were participating in bubbles. didn't turn out well, did it? They're called bubbles because they can pop at any time. As I said above, maybe the Rolex bubble will never, ever burst. But the fact that people are buying them as investments, rather than as watches, creates the possibility of a crash in prices. And no, I don't think I'm the smartest person in the world. In fact I know I'm pretty silly. But what I'm saying in this comment is Econ 101.
Not true, I have bought and sold hundreds of watches over the years, I have now over 50. And I ALWAYS think of the resale value, why on earth would you not?? Actually 90% of people that are more than average interested in watches do think about it even if many don’t admit to it. Usually when you buy a watch you would consider between maybe 3-4 different watches, maybe you want them equally much. So if one of them seems to be a safer bet than the other ones in terms of resale value that would count in as a heavy argument, of course it would. Same thing when you buy anything expensive like a property or a car. Anything else would be unintelligent and bad economy.
@@truxton1000 really? I’ve never sold a watch and only buy retail, I made sure housing and other priorities are secure before buying things I collect, but if you want to jump through whatever hoops you need to justify yourself, go right ahead.
@@Cull_Obsidian I’m just saying that people that are more than average interested in watches, specially those that flip to buy others always (in my experience) think of resale value. You would too, if you happen to ever sell one, as that’s when you realise that resale value is actually important. I’m sure you buy a car now and then? If you have a choice between two very similar ones and you know that one lose a lot of value and the other one do not only a person with no economic sense would not choose the one that tend to keep the better value. Of course lots of people do, but usually only those that is “not good with money”….!
Nice takes, but maybe one more about accuracy? Atomic synced radio watches are the pinnacle of horology for 99.99% of people that can't afford a citizen calibre 0100.
My hot take is that the Submariner is the stupidest name for a dive watch. To the point I don’t want one. If I’m spending weeks or even months at a time underwater in narrow corridors either narrower steel doorways, I don’t want a watch that costs me 2 weeks wages every time I scratch it, and can’t tell me if it’s night or day.
Agree with most of this but not with your take on Rolex. What's been going on with their watches. They need to take direct action and not allow their dealers to sell to the gray market.
I mostly agree with everything except investment. I don't think when people say don't treat it as an investment they mean don't consider the resale value (although I rarely do). I have seen people buy watches and then put them in a safe and never wear them like Star Wars toys staying in the plastic. Its sad and the point of watches is to enjoy wearing them. You shouldn't buy a car and keep it in the garage in hopes that it will go up in value (it won't). If you only have $10k and you want to invest it, put it in an EFT. If you can't afford $10k for something silly (watch, suits, fancy racing sim controllers) then don't buy a $10k watch. 2nd point I would make is a I pretty much agree with all the Rolex takes. I don't have any problem with Rolex as a company per se' (although the no-profit thing is straight up bullshit). I don't like how the ADs work people over, but I haven't liked Rolex from my time in college. They are boring. I think Frederique Constant's manufacture world-timers, Longine's Zulu GMTs, almost everything out of Germany, and Nearly every version of the Speed-master is more interesting than basically any Rolex (except maybe the 1908 or Cellini). I don't like Royal Oaks. I also don't like Nautiluses. I don't like Richard Mille but I don't care if others do. I like dress watches so I don't like Submariners or Black Bays either. AP can certainly run their entire business of the Royal Oak but I won't be buying one. I would say I think they should loose their status as a Trinity member and it should go to A. Lange & Söhne if they do (maybe anyway), but that's just my opinion.
It’s not sad that some people do that, as most people don’t. I buy and sell watches and in those rare occasions you see a very old watch fully stickered never used by anyone that’s a rare thing to see, and not sad at all. You must be happy that we don’t behave similarly but different.
@@truxton1000 that's fair but unless the person who originally bought it had two of them and got to wear one and get the other the sad part is that he had this watch that he never wore his entire life I find that sad
@@DanSchrimpsher I am sure 100% of buyers that bought a watch to put away probably had several watches to wear so not sad at all. Personally I own 6 Omega Speedmasters, ranging in age from 1965 until 2021. The 2021 model is one of the first with 3861 movement and I bought it to put away, I have never used it, it’s still in the plastic and when I touched it I used gloves. Do you find that sad?? I bought it partly as an investment, partly as I have a huge interest in Speedmasters. I have a son that does not know I have this watch hidden away. Maybe I can surprise him one day and gift it to him when he is much older. Maybe I can keep it and sell it 20-30 years into the future when they have stopped making this model, maybe I will show it to people so they can see what that watch looked like all those years ago brand new, not even touched by human hands since 2021. I just can’t think why that would make you sad? It makes me happy just to imagine it. A guy showed me a “brand new” Speedmasters from the early 60’s that someone had done that, left it up in the loft for 60 years, it was amazing and everyone that saw it thought the same, and as far from “sad” as I can imagine.
@@DanSchrimpsher But yes, equally I find it extremely interesting to see a watch that someone has used and loved every day of a long life, but for gods sake we don’t all have to behave the same way do we? THAT would be sad.
@@truxton1000 well I do but like you said everyone do what they like. I think people should be allowed to stick watches away as investments I just don't think it's a good idea overall. I will say saving it for your son is a bit different. I kinda prefer older watches to look older but I get what you are saying. Still I wouldn't do it
I have a solar Seiko that keeps time to better than a second per month, the hands all hit the marks, and the bezel is perfectly aligned. Why would I want a Rolex?!
Hi Andrew, Excellent video. Agree on all your points. China … they are manufacturing experts and have 2000 years of craftsmanship. Swiss watches cost what they do because of their incredibly high cost of doing business there. And yes, a massive amount of parts are coming from China anyway. As for Rolex, I agree again. A mid-tier brand with except marketing driven by the grey market dealers who get their watches from ADs. It’s a big game. Paris Hilton effect I call it …. Famous for being famous. Best wishes from Singapore 🇸🇬
I would disagree that RM had anytrhing to do with the resurgence of watches; I would argue it is primarily down to a lot more people wanting Rolex. After all, in 2010 only the stainless Daytona was hard to get, and only because they didn’t make many-I got 20% off a Sub and that was not hard. Then Rolex seem to get. an order of magnitude more popular (probably due to the other factor, social media) and suddenly people were talking watches again, and you couldn’t get any Rolex other than the OP/DD at a AD.
I agree with everything except the last point. Getting into a pickle about watches we can't even afford is exactly what it's all about. I have no life other than triggering Omega fans.
There would possibly be less demand for Rolex videos if most realised they will never get to the top of the list to buy one with more millionaires being printed daily than Rolex can manage. With the Milgauss gone I have no reason to click and when it returns demand will again be sky high.
Porsche making tractors? You may be thinking of a Lambo ;¬D Greetings Andrew - keep up the great work! & 'more irony than IKB' - I'm going to steel that! ;¬D}
I couldn’t disagree more! Before I bought myself this Rolex, people would say: Him? Oh, he’s nothing. Forget about him. Now it’s different. I overheard someone talking about me yesterday, and she said: “Let’s beat him up and take his watch.”
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You must have some weird friends or acquaintances, that’s all I can say. I got lots of expensive watches but no one would ever say that about me, so much I know…
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9:17 "To bite my tongue and enjoy their happiness with them." Sure, I would never buy a Moonswatch, but my manager is super happy wearing his to work every single day, and I think that's cool. Our collections being so different is what makes talking about out hobby so much more interesting.
Hilarious!! I actually agreed with most of your hot takes. Here’s one of my own: AP’s Royal Oak is every bit as hideous as any Richard Mille! I am always thoroughly entertained by your videos. Well done 🥃
Richard Mille is "the Emperor's new clothes" in watch form.
I am no fan of the Royal Oak but I think that the Patek Nautilus has it beat on the hideous factor.
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Nobody argues about top three; that’s a given! When it comes to the mid luxury market then things change! Rolex have cornered that market through their distribution in conjunction with the grey dealers and wait lists.
Don’t waste your money on an inferior product when you can buy a far superior watch with better build quality and certification…… omega!
@@sirrugglesby2190 I would argue about the top three. But then I would argue about which flavor of ice cream is better. IMHO A. Lange & Söhne, FP Journe, and Patek Philippe are the top three (Nautilus not withstanding).
100% agree that Rolex is not a high end watch. And they know because you don’t see advertisements of Ferrari for example, but guests what: Rolex is the most advertised brand. And is advertise in place that aren’t for super rich people but you can se their advertising on stuff for middle class. Patek don’t need to advertise the Nautilus. Rolex is exactly like Apple: not the best but the most desirable because of the marketing around.
"Team game to live life to the fullest." Best quote of the whole video! Always nicely done, Andrew!
"medically diagnosis taste deficiancy" for liking Hublot was my favorite! lol
Back when I knew next to nothing about watches, I saw a Royal Oak and instantly fell in love. No one is doing that for RM, it's only about the clout....
I didn't know Porsche made tractors! Amazing! Coincidentally so did Lamborghini and David Brown of Aston Martin fame was a tractor manufacturer too.
The watch community's insistence on viewing everything through the lens of "how does this compare to a Rolex?) reminds me of a few sports blogs/vlogs who would love to talk more about baseball, hockey, soccer, cycling, etc... but they also know that their bills are paid from the people who will read/watch anything and everything about the NFL.
Here in Italy is the same but with soccer (or football for the other side of the pond). Here everything is soccer related.
I tell you a funny thing: Francesco Bagnaia, 2022 MotoGp World Champion, was chosen to be the testimonial for the 2023 TIM advertisement campaign, TIM being the biggest communication company in Italy and one of the biggest sponsor of Ducati MotoGp Team. In this very days a new spot is on air with his name and face, cruising with "a friend of his" but... in the spot he's always out of focus! Why? Because his "friend" is Fabio Cannavaro, a beloved ex soccer player, one of the team that won the World Title in 2006! All the lead shots in the spot are for Cannavaro, while Bagnaia is ALWAYS out of focus!
I mean, I do understand that MotoGp isn't as loved as soccer, but a fresh world champion that won the world title with an italian bike after Agostini (more or less 50 years ago) is put aside because the soccer player is more recognizable to the masses, gives you the level of sports around here...
Everyone here knows who Cannavaro is. The same who knows what a Rolex is.
@@stupidocanerosaI’m from Indonesia and I could totally relate with your analogy above. Folks here are big on football too, Lega Calcio was the biggest thing when I grew up.
Good stuff. IMO, the reason why resale value (investment) matters to peace of mind is because we too often buy watches we can't really afford. I don't mean you can't pay for it (eventually) but it's so damn expensive that you can't afford to lose and replace it.
Totally agree, Rolex is a mid tier brand. The marketing and fan boys are worth more than the watch
My hot take? Rolex is a marketing company that also makes watches. PP / AP / JLC etc are watch makers that also do some marketing.
Brand reputation and history actually means everything to me as a consumer.
Just like how you’re advised to not purchase new models of a car, I wouldn’t purchase new brands of a watch.
Rolex has been around for 100+ years, their watches have mechanical movements that have survived WW2 battlefields, and if you can get a stainless steel model at MSRP, the value for the money is absolutely there.
If new companies become more well established in the years to come, I’ll definitely consider them, but not before then!
The watch you showcased while talking about Chinese watches really looked amazing... What brand is this please ?
Behrens
Thank you ! Truly appreciated. @@lukas_nebulahunter 🙏
I don’t have any issues with Chinese companies coming up with new innovations; I simply don’t like the management overreach from their government.
Like your assessment. My friend and I bought SS Rolex and Heuer chrono and dive watches in the past. Seems like Sinn, Damasko, and Ward are doing good things currently. Moser & Cie is my go to for time art.
I’ve had several Rolex’s, Omegas still but now I wear a nice Oris Aquis! Newer entry luxury watches around $2,000 are all I need now! My Oris gains about 2 seconds a week.
Hi Andrew, can you sort out your editing so the jingle between watches doesn’t sound as though you’ve cut it, part way through? Been meaning to say this since your first personal post - it would just sound so much more polished.
Love your commentary by the way.
Great video. My own hot take: rolex is a bit like an iphone. Everyone knows what it is, they're expensive but dig down into them and you realise more often than not- they're trash, or at least not as good as others which are cheaper.
Things I guess I soft disagree with your stance WRT rolex and wait lists. I disregard the more wild conspiracy theories but otoh, rolex does decide their product mix, rolex does decide not to sell direct and rolex has elected not to take deposits and sell to a real wait list. No one is holding a gun to rolexs head here, they can change a lot of things - everything - about their inventory and distribution to improve the luxury experience - they choose not too.
Your last point was the best for me! Always celebrate other people’s successes and achievements even if you don’t agree with it! Make life better!
I agreed with all of these, so there! My hot take is 'Quartz is better in every measureable way', but without the 'but' ;) .
Andrew, I could agree with almost everything you say, except when you talk about RM. I don't think it can be compared to the AP Royal Oak, or any other watch for that matter. For me it is, and always will be, a joke, a sample of bad taste, an aberration without any aesthetic value, and they could be giving them away in a machine or at a fair, and I would never want one. I don't care how many complications they put inside that 'thing', if it looks like some colorful gift watch that children wear when they are 1 or 2 years old, it amazes me that adults may want to display them (proudly). This only happens because we are in an era of inversion of values, in which the beautiful is devalued, and the horrible is glorified.
It's comparable to when someone gives millions for a painting with some paint running, but for which there is always someone who invents a complex and esoteric artistic meaning, saying for instance that the artist was experiencing a personal drama of some kind when he created that "work of art". In short, RM designs are simply hideous, and there is no turning back, no matter how many people need to put them on a pedestal.
One thing I like to say when provoked is that Rolex is the BMW of the watch world, then I let people interpret that take however they please. ;-) - Cheers! //Rick
I have an Alfa Romeo Stelvio, traded in a Bmw for it. Best thing I ever done. And in 3 years it hasn't let me down once.
Bravo - I feel too many influencers YTers push hype brands to push stock they want to move.
I think you mean Lamborghini produced (and still does) tracktors.
1:42 *"It changed the way people thought about watches. They weren't **_timekeepers_** anymore; they were **_status_** symbols."*
*Watches as status symbols is certainly not a concept **_Royal Oak_** created in the 1970's. Watches (even for just pragmatic purposes) require highly-specialized expertise and materials to create. There's a reason they're considered jewelry. They've been a relative status symbol since inception **_(long_** before Oak or Mille flexed the wrists of Titans, rappers and wannabes).*
The Seiko saved me 2 years worth of $300 parking tickets.
I set my timer for 30 minutes in a loading zone.
That way I know how long I've got in that zone for a delivery.
A normal delivery takes about 5-10 minutes.
But if you're making a delivery for a public servant, the delivery can take up to 45 minutes.
So you need to cut them off within the 30 minute time frame or risk a $300 fine.
RM doesn’t appeal to my personal tastes but I do genuinely appreciate the technology they have implemented. The design aesthetic is something else entirely. I do think they have contributed to pushing existing watchmaking forward. As for Rolex, I own several and have always said that they are overpriced. Great watches but I think they could easily be 20%+ less. To be fair, you could say that many watches are overpriced/overhyped but that doesn’t mean that they are not great quality. Royal oak is a great example of that but it is still one of my favorite pieces.
Milles on Weils.
My hot take: Andrew was finally paid by Rolex, AP, RM and Hublot to take back everything bad that’s been said before. Congrats!
AP is heeding the same way as Hublot.
You are wrong about one thing… pushers and all sort of things are falling of Hublot. Terrible quality.
Spot on with Rolex. Mid level brand. Same as GS and Omega. They have models topping Omega, and Omega has models topping Rolex.
Breguet, A. Lange for me is the generic top of the pop, beyond AP and Patek.
This is so hard to believe Andrew 9 minutes 52 seconds and no mention of the "Merch" you are slipping my friend!!!
because he was wearing it
This is like the guy who has just the right number of beers to get real candid, but not forget how to talk. Truths are spoken.
Well I finally walked into the local Rolex store hosted by Mayors and registered for the Titanium Yacht-Master 42. I'll never get the call two years from now. Perfect!
And I don't think you will. That's literally one of the hardest watch to get. Even grey market dealers don't get that many coming to them.
“It’s not a competition... It’s a team game, to live life to the fullest!” AMEN BROTHER!!! Fantastic words of wisdom. Thank you! Great video!
I thought the quote was: "It's not a competition . . . , but we are losing."
Congrats again on the 100K subs brother!
I like be yours takes and agree with all of them. I imagine your hot take on Hublot caused Nico-tine Leonard to spew more of his venom up after he heard your take.
I think things are softening. I waited 7 weeks for my Rolex to arrive at my boutique in very highly populated Southern California.
Completely agree about heritage!
One should appreciate each watch for what it is.
Even if one can’t afford or doesn’t like a watch.
The variety means the industry is moving forward and there is s watch for every taste snd pocket.
Exposure and openness to various watches makes you learn and appreciate more, and refines your taste.
I have an analog-digital Casio, a Swiss, and a Japanese automatics.
Hope to add a Moonwatch, a grail of mine, and a manual wind I don’t have yet.
And a MAD1 green. A modern and avant-garde watch.
Porsche didn't make tractors.... Lamborghini did..! Anyhooo...😂😂😂😂 Hilarious content. Great video
Porsche did too, a friend of mine in Norway had a Porsche tractor from the 1950’s, one cylinder diesel. It was parked away for years, he said let’s try and get it started fetched a battery, hooked it up and is started right up without hesitation, amazing machine…
I for one wouldn’t miss all the Rolex videos being put out (across every channels that is). There’s really nothing interesting left to say about them that hasn’t already been said. But I know it’s good click bait so I know it’ll continue…
I like Tudor more
I agree with most of your hot takes but particularly the last one on just about anything in fact not just watches.
I was in an AD on the weekend and even though they are a JLC agent they essentially said that JLC is dead in the water as an innovator. AP? Breguet? PP? And out complicating the rivals is not innovation. I have Rolexes, however I think their attempt at cool with the multi coloured OP is a little pathetic and straying from Andrew's very good observation that Rolex is simply doing what they have always done. It's the baying mob that gets their collective knickers in a knot over self created bubbles and predjudiced opinions.
Once you get over the shock of the new there are some great new brands out there that are the real innovators, however don't write off heritage otherwise we won't get releases like the Omega Ed White.
No disagreements here, especially with the last point. Great vid as always! 👍
I would say Rolex is Lexus, not Toyota. Mid tier luxury with highest possible reliability and value.
I remember when I would watch I Watchfinder video to learn about interesting details about watches, some I had heard of and some I hadn't. The one thing I was guaranteed was beautiful micro-shots that made me want every watch Andrew discussed. Now, I feel like I'm getting the Target version of a Nico episode (him being Walmart). What happened to Andrew and what happened to Watchfinder? That's my "hot take".
THIS IS NOT WATCHFINDER CHANNEL!!!
😂😂😂😂😂
I would tend, as others seemingly do, to agree. The drive, starting with the omnipresent 'Rolex' in the title, is all about clicks rather than substance. As is the proliferation of short reels which is testament to what is a simple but cynical business decision to put clicks above substance. I understand that but whilst adopting that route may bring short term gains the brand appeal is being rapidly diluted. I have a number of old clips saved in my library but I can't think of anything I have recently viewed that I have felt worthy of saving or that has added to my, or indeed anyone's sum of knowledge. In short, our host has gone down market and become a red-top tabloid version of what used to be a must-watch channel. None of this is an accident. It is very probably a calm marketing call in tandem with marketing trips to the US which have recently been advertised. Personally, I am somewhat disappointed but unsurprised. I can understand the push to monetise the brand, such as it is.
Just keep watching Watchfinder then... no need to throw shade at Andrew - he's done and is doing great things, if you ask me.
Um, you're not watching Watchfinder?
As far as Nico is concerned, it’s all about subs, views and monetisation. Andrew turned to him for advice. So there’s your answer
The whole AMW thing needs to stop. It is extremely cringe.
I disagree with your remark about treating watches as an investment; watches shouldn't be an investment. That said, I agree with what you said after that: financial considerations should be part of a a watch purchase there's a vast difference between "don't purchase watches that will lose all their value" and "don't buy watches as an investment". Investments are places where you put your money on the assumption it will go up in value for the good of your long term financial health. Betting on a watch to go up is unsound: the market is in a massive bubble. You also shouldn't buy anything you think will lose half of it's value tomorrow; wait until tomorrow and buy it used. You also shouldn't empty out your entire retirement account and purchase a bunch of Rolex watches.
Hot take: all “expensive” watches will be brought down to earth over the next twenty years and people holding onto AP/VC/PP etc will be out a lot of money they “invested”
Sadly, I think you're probably right. Any time things are bought as investments, rather than because of their intrinsic value -- that's a bubble.
@@stevenbollinger9776nothing has intrinsic value. All value is subjective. Things have intrinsic qualities.
You forgot Rolex.😊
Some people just dont need to find anything to disagree with to get all fired up over nothing. This might turn out be a great example of how to wind up youtubers just by being in the room.
Love it! Some new merch there- the jumper? Cracking little show, this. Thanks!
The only reason that Rolex watches are scarce is that drug dealers snarf them all up since they use them as a payment method between each other when doing larger drug deals.
Instead of hauling a bag of cash, they have a Rolex on their arm, and then they do not as they walk away with a considerable amount of drugs.
Same goes for used car salesman as they are buying up chop parts from stolen BMWs.
Note, often the used car salesman is also a drug dealer.
Something to ponder the next time you see someone with the Rolex you crave on his arm.
What do you think of Gerald Charles Andrew? Would like to see a vid on this brand please…. thanks
Congratulations on 100k subscribers Andrew.🎉
I agree on all these things which means they are just facts and not hot takes.
Thank you so much for defining the moment. I really didn't know what to think on my own.
Which chinese watch are you showcasing with the chain and regrograde minute hand? it looks stellar!
Behrens
I actually agree with most of these ❤
Only thing i slightly disagree with is buying watches as investment. Yes it's nice to have the peace of mind but if you have no plans on selling your watch then that really doesnt matter. Don't hold yourself to just watches with investment potential if other not-so-popular watches suit your fancy. 😊
Perhaps one needs to categorize watch "collectors" - then one can make assumptions about motive. Each type has their virtues and deficits. I.e. Profit / value retention driven, pure enthusiast ( for whatever reason ), aesthetic motivation, technical appreciation, historic relevance, etc etc. To each their own. My own collection is evolving as I gain self realisation. Where it goes is the journey, much like anything I suppose. Note - I use "one" not in a elitist sense but in an egalitarian sense, in as much as I am humbly able.
@@gazz501 i was merely offering an opinion and option from my point of view. It does over generalize, but i welcome and accept differing and contradicting opinions to my own. As you put it, to each their own. We can all enjoy this hobby how we best see fit 🍻
@ryangochuico I wasn't critical of your comment. I, perhaps clumsily, was stating that there is also room in the collecting world for value motivated collectors. Your statement echoes my thoughts exactly. After all - it's only watches. Cheers.
@@gazz501 cheers 🤗
I think just let people spend THEIR money on what THEY want, why THEY want.
All this holier than thou attitude is sad.
Telling people they have to wear watches they own, or cannot buy for investment etc. etc.
People often overlook that they may have multiple watches and do a bit of everything.
I am sure nobody ever tells a Swatch Collector he has to wear all 100 Swatches on rotation throughout the year!
We’re they not ‘made to be worn’ just as much as a Rolex, or a Ferrari was ‘made to be driven’?
But when it’s a Rolex it seems standard practice for the ne’er do wells in the comments to insist upon it!
Equally people would support a collector of most things doing it for a potential financial gain, but when it’s an expensive watch……. Not so much 😂
The problem with Rolex isn’t that the AD won’t sell you one. It’s that they treat people terribly when they are basic. Don’t act like your The French Laundry when your The Cheesecake Factory.
Well, “terrible”? What is terrible? They tell you that they can’t sell you the watch you want because for every watch Rolex make there must be maybe 3 people ready to buy it, often more. What would you do if you owned a company making 1 million watches each year but 3-5 million people want to buy one? I bet you in the end would get a bit tired about turning people away with sorry I can’t really help you…
@@truxton1000 terrible is saying, “I will put you on the waiting list for this watch.” Five minutes after leaving get a phone call asking to come back to the Ad. Get back to the AD and told, “I can’t put you on the waiting list until you buy this watch.” And then getting a call 10 days later saying that I you actually have to buy this ladies watch before you buy this other watch before you get on the waiting list. I mean just be honest and upfront with people. Don’t laugh at anyone who comes in. Don’t play games. Just tell it like it is.
@@benjambm I agree with you. But remember that it’s people involved in this, and we all know how people can behave. My ultimate point is that as long as there are more demand for Rolex watches than they can produce people will always express that they are unhappy. And Rolex themselves has no solution either as they can not meet the current demand. So even if every sales person at the AD’s was super helpful, super polite and super at everything people would STILL complain, fact. Personally I don’t really care that sales people are rude, unhappy and unprofessional as I experience this almost every day in all sorts of shops, that’s life for you.
@@truxton1000 I agree with your ultimate point. I know that nobody can just walk in a buy a Panda because the math of supply and demand is what it is.
@@benjambm Yes, and it seems like most people that complain seems to not understand that? The sales people in AD’s has usually the shop full of other stuff than Rolex. Of course they want to shift as much of it as possible for every customer they allow to buy a Rolex, and sensible seller would think like that.
One of your most entertaining videos. There's not much I disagree with; but Rolex mid-tier?
I agree with you on the notion of Chinese watches and movements. There is a reason why ARAGON used them for many models. Many of you reading may pass this comment off as nonsense. But understand that a small boutique watch company doesn't thrive for 32 years making crap watches. And they are only getting better.
Chinese watches are getting better, but so is everyone else, even the Chinese fakes. I believe that Chinese watches will always be a niche. Will they go mainstream? May be, but Grand Seiko will be mainstream before any Chinese watch manufacturer will, if that day ever comes.
The reason you skirted about RUclipsrs making videos about Rolex is that the algorithm demands it if you want any chance of success.
As for the perennial investment question, you can only lose your shirt if you sell your watch and crystallise the loss. The answer is to not sell your watches.
Two big laughs for me. First, I just commented on all the kvetching in the comments on the Farer/Rolex video on Watchfinder. You clearly knew the gripes were coming…again. Second, I grew up in an an American town that was a port for British oppressors with cobblestone streets made by Hessian POWs. Every other storefront was “Ye Olde Shoppe” of triangle caps or bagpipes or whatever. Of course, in our less dramatic sense of rebellion, we mispronounced “olde” as “oldie”, as in sweating to the oldies. Good to hear you do the same. And to paraphrase NWA, “fu€k tha heritage brands”.
Holy trinity for watches for me has always been PP, AP, and VC. There's others like A. Lange & Söhne that are high end and fantastic, but those three are notorious for being the holy trinity of high end. I don't own any of them unfortunately, but I love the Nautilus and Overseas. The Royal Oak is also a great watch, but AP and the hype train they drive leaves a bad taste in my mouth and I'd never own one. I do own two Rolex and love that they only seem to appreciate in value, I also drive a Toyato and think it's the best metaphor for Rolex. Solid, reliable and a workhorse I don't have to worry about.
Loved it! Just disagree about Hublot 😂
Okay, point taken about your audience wanting Rolex videos even though I don't. Fair enough.
However, you were mistaken early on when you described Rolexes as a good investment, and then later on when you talked about watches in general as investments.
Sure, someone may see a rise in value if they buy a Rolex now. Or next year. And possibly forever. But when people buy things as investments, rather than because of the intrinsic value of those things -- that is what is known as a bubble. Remember all those people buying real estate in 2006, or crypto in 2021, and being so unbearably smug because they thought they were the smartest people in the world? They were participating in bubbles. didn't turn out well, did it?
They're called bubbles because they can pop at any time. As I said above, maybe the Rolex bubble will never, ever burst. But the fact that people are buying them as investments, rather than as watches, creates the possibility of a crash in prices.
And no, I don't think I'm the smartest person in the world. In fact I know I'm pretty silly. But what I'm saying in this comment is Econ 101.
We’ll done! I agree with all of your takes on Watch life. Keep it up Andrew!
Is the RM movement really worth the big bucks? The case and rubber strap must be there the value is. Thanks Andrew
Your best video yet, Andrew.
Being a contrarian is cool. Going with the flow isn't.
Well done!
A team game - totally! Well said.
If you have to think about how much your watch it’s worth down the line, you couldn’t afford it in the first place
Not true, I have bought and sold hundreds of watches over the years, I have now over 50. And I ALWAYS think of the resale value, why on earth would you not?? Actually 90% of people that are more than average interested in watches do think about it even if many don’t admit to it. Usually when you buy a watch you would consider between maybe 3-4 different watches, maybe you want them equally much. So if one of them seems to be a safer bet than the other ones in terms of resale value that would count in as a heavy argument, of course it would. Same thing when you buy anything expensive like a property or a car. Anything else would be unintelligent and bad economy.
@@truxton1000 really? I’ve never sold a watch and only buy retail, I made sure housing and other priorities are secure before buying things I collect, but if you want to jump through whatever hoops you need to justify yourself, go right ahead.
@@Cull_Obsidian I’m just saying that people that are more than average interested in watches, specially those that flip to buy others always (in my experience) think of resale value. You would too, if you happen to ever sell one, as that’s when you realise that resale value is actually important. I’m sure you buy a car now and then? If you have a choice between two very similar ones and you know that one lose a lot of value and the other one do not only a person with no economic sense would not choose the one that tend to keep the better value. Of course lots of people do, but usually only those that is “not good with money”….!
What‘s the watch shown where Andrew talks about China? It looks amazing.
Behrens
Why do you use the ‘Rolex’ name for click bait Andrew? You’re watch channel is good and so are you - don’t stoop to that level of click bait. 🙏🏾
"Exception of skydweller, and maybe yachtmaster 2" - andrew, YM2 is more complicated than the skydweller, you got it reversed, mate.
Agree on every point.
Nice takes, but maybe one more about accuracy? Atomic synced radio watches are the pinnacle of horology for 99.99% of people that can't afford a citizen calibre 0100.
Agree with all hot takes w/o any exceptions
Porsche used to make tractors? Erm.... wasn't that Lamborghini?
Porsche too.
They have that advert where the old guy brings the tractor into a dealership for a service.
Porsche used to make tanks
Porsche and Lamborghini both made tractors.
Lamborghini still do
@@gavinwhite9743 Porsche still makes tractors. They are called Macan, Panamera, and Cayenne these days.
Damn… truth hurts sometimes. Good job!
My hot take is that the Submariner is the stupidest name for a dive watch. To the point I don’t want one.
If I’m spending weeks or even months at a time underwater in narrow corridors either narrower steel doorways, I don’t want a watch that costs me 2 weeks wages every time I scratch it, and can’t tell me if it’s night or day.
Nailed it! Again! Especially regarding Rolex… NAILED IT! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
I agree with you ....!!!
Agree with most of this but not with your take on Rolex. What's been going on with their watches. They need to take direct action and not allow their dealers to sell to the gray market.
Extremely entertaining and frankly true! I love it 😂❤
I mostly agree with everything except investment. I don't think when people say don't treat it as an investment they mean don't consider the resale value (although I rarely do). I have seen people buy watches and then put them in a safe and never wear them like Star Wars toys staying in the plastic. Its sad and the point of watches is to enjoy wearing them. You shouldn't buy a car and keep it in the garage in hopes that it will go up in value (it won't). If you only have $10k and you want to invest it, put it in an EFT. If you can't afford $10k for something silly (watch, suits, fancy racing sim controllers) then don't buy a $10k watch.
2nd point I would make is a I pretty much agree with all the Rolex takes. I don't have any problem with Rolex as a company per se' (although the no-profit thing is straight up bullshit). I don't like how the ADs work people over, but I haven't liked Rolex from my time in college. They are boring. I think Frederique Constant's manufacture world-timers, Longine's Zulu GMTs, almost everything out of Germany, and Nearly every version of the Speed-master is more interesting than basically any Rolex (except maybe the 1908 or Cellini).
I don't like Royal Oaks. I also don't like Nautiluses. I don't like Richard Mille but I don't care if others do. I like dress watches so I don't like Submariners or Black Bays either. AP can certainly run their entire business of the Royal Oak but I won't be buying one. I would say I think they should loose their status as a Trinity member and it should go to A. Lange & Söhne if they do (maybe anyway), but that's just my opinion.
It’s not sad that some people do that, as most people don’t. I buy and sell watches and in those rare occasions you see a very old watch fully stickered never used by anyone that’s a rare thing to see, and not sad at all. You must be happy that we don’t behave similarly but different.
@@truxton1000 that's fair but unless the person who originally bought it had two of them and got to wear one and get the other the sad part is that he had this watch that he never wore his entire life I find that sad
@@DanSchrimpsher I am sure 100% of buyers that bought a watch to put away probably had several watches to wear so not sad at all. Personally I own 6 Omega Speedmasters, ranging in age from 1965 until 2021. The 2021 model is one of the first with 3861 movement and I bought it to put away, I have never used it, it’s still in the plastic and when I touched it I used gloves. Do you find that sad?? I bought it partly as an investment, partly as I have a huge interest in Speedmasters. I have a son that does not know I have this watch hidden away. Maybe I can surprise him one day and gift it to him when he is much older. Maybe I can keep it and sell it 20-30 years into the future when they have stopped making this model, maybe I will show it to people so they can see what that watch looked like all those years ago brand new, not even touched by human hands since 2021. I just can’t think why that would make you sad? It makes me happy just to imagine it. A guy showed me a “brand new” Speedmasters from the early 60’s that someone had done that, left it up in the loft for 60 years, it was amazing and everyone that saw it thought the same, and as far from “sad” as I can imagine.
@@DanSchrimpsher But yes, equally I find it extremely interesting to see a watch that someone has used and loved every day of a long life, but for gods sake we don’t all have to behave the same way do we? THAT would be sad.
@@truxton1000 well I do but like you said everyone do what they like. I think people should be allowed to stick watches away as investments I just don't think it's a good idea overall. I will say saving it for your son is a bit different. I kinda prefer older watches to look older but I get what you are saying. Still I wouldn't do it
hear that rolex owners, your basic black submariner is mid
I have a solar Seiko that keeps time to better than a second per month, the hands all hit the marks, and the bezel is perfectly aligned. Why would I want a Rolex?!
I like how Richard Mille is the Invicta of expensive watches. Hey, someone was gonna do it, it might as well be them.
I agree with everything you’ve said in this episode
Hi Andrew,
Excellent video.
Agree on all your points.
China … they are manufacturing experts and have 2000 years of craftsmanship. Swiss watches cost what they do because of their incredibly high cost of doing business there. And yes, a massive amount of parts are coming from China anyway.
As for Rolex, I agree again. A mid-tier brand with except marketing driven by the grey market dealers who get their watches from ADs. It’s a big game. Paris Hilton effect I call it …. Famous for being famous.
Best wishes from Singapore 🇸🇬
I would disagree that RM had anytrhing to do with the resurgence of watches; I would argue it is primarily down to a lot more people wanting Rolex. After all, in 2010 only the stainless Daytona was hard to get, and only because they didn’t make many-I got 20% off a Sub and that was not hard. Then Rolex seem to get. an order of magnitude more popular (probably due to the other factor, social media) and suddenly people were talking watches again, and you couldn’t get any Rolex other than the OP/DD at a AD.
I agree with everything except the last point. Getting into a pickle about watches we can't even afford is exactly what it's all about. I have no life other than triggering Omega fans.
Again...? 🧐
Yes Andrew, we like it juicy 🙏🏼
Agree with all points!
Time isn't free on at iPhone.
It costs about $1500 a year minimum.
There would possibly be less demand for Rolex videos if most realised they will never get to the top of the list to buy one with more millionaires being printed daily than Rolex can manage. With the Milgauss gone I have no reason to click and when it returns demand will again be sky high.
Porsche making tractors? You may be thinking of a Lambo ;¬D Greetings Andrew - keep up the great work!
& 'more irony than IKB' - I'm going to steel that! ;¬D}
The only disagreement I have here is calling them “hot takes”.