I can’t understate how magical I find the gestalt of your videos. In the time of one side of a 45, you provide us with crunchable numbers and a transfer of your and the market’s gut feelings of these planes.
Honestly hold out for a market crash. More than any other product really GA prices are affected by the stock market. Most owners have reasonably good jobs and use stock bonuses to buy/maintain planes. If the value of those stocks crater, then they are the first high ticket item to be sold and the market comes down. Now that said, I don't think we'll ever again see it be 40-50k for a new Cessna, but these insaneo prices will be unsustainable if/when the market dips.
I had a deposit on a Panthera that I had refunded. The first reason was the people that were the dealers misinformed me about a problem that they had with the plane. Second was the 2 insurance quotes I received. First was $18,000 second was $55,000 for a $650,000 hull value. I did get to fly the Panthera for about 15 minutes and like the man says It’s work in progress.
@@montaukflying9933 Pipistrel are currently selling their EASA (soon to be) certified version in Europe. I understand that they have some a substantial number of these but I have no idea of how many.
That 172 “index” is an eye opener! Used to dream of a Beechcraft as a kid after seeing those ads in my granddads National Geo mags. Way out of the price range now but do have a share in a Pacific Aerospace CT4 (you’ll need to google that if you live in the Northern Hemisphere) which is no Baron but does get my ass off the ground!
Perhaps surprisingly, there is no language or spelling problem w "Sinus" or "Virus"; they may be pronounced slightly differently in Slovenian, but they have the exact same meaning and potential respiratory infection associations as in English. English just has a rather unique approach to pronouncing its latin script vowels, but the meaning doesn't change. Thank you for a fascinating channel, it is a really witty and informative presentation of so many GA planes!
Tbh, the specs on this are pretty much perfect for what I'd love to have... except for the sticker price. Now I just need to win the Powerball to be able to buy and operate this 👍
It certainly looks sleek. For $240K you can purchase a complete RV-10 quick build kit including engine, prop, IFR panel, paint and interior. Just got to build it. It's maybe 20 kts slower but for a third of the price a great deal.
I'd never thought you would cover this plane, they aren't exactly very common. I've only once seen a Panthera in person and I would love to fly it one day. However I do fly the Socata TB20, an awesome machine that may fit well in a future video of yours?
I wish I could say I am able to keep track of all the requests. I am very fortunate for the wonderful feedback I get. I'm glad you got your request. I hope it lived up to your expectations.
@@pigeon4208 I just found out if you want a BD 10 you can buy a Viperjet instead. There was one selling around 300k I believe. Same engine, but a tad slower.
"Performance-wise, it's exceptionally close to an SR-22" Me, who has only heard that name associated with the military jet: "SAY WHAT NOW?" 30 seconds later... "Wait, did I get that number wrong?" ...googles... "Ah. I see; I was thinking of the SR-71. I wonder if the SR-22 was deliberately named to confuse people."
It stands for "Single Reciprocating" as opposed to their other products such as "Single Fanjet", and "Single Turboprop" aircraft. So, I doubt it. The two on the end is probably because it is the second in the series of SR aircraft, the first being the SR-20, but I don't know. Sometimes those numbers are arbitrary, sometimes they reflect some aspect of the aircraft performance- whatever the marketing department thinks will stick. Anyway, deliberately confusing people is counter productive to the goals of marketing in general.
Love the low hourly cost. Which makes sense for an aerodynamically efficient aircraft made out of materials which last for decades. 80% of the purchase cost is bureaucracy. If the bureaucracy somehow gets a kick in the butt - modern, efficient GA might become affordable to the middle class again. And we might very well be moving towards such a kick in the butt, it's direction very much TBD though, but that's another story... But, ask yourself - what has it taken to break a deeply entrenched status quo, historically?
@@CompleteWalkaround Sigh. And I don't see anything labelled as "experimental" ever becoming widely adopted. Nor cost-efficient. Imagine if car ownership required to own a mechanic shop and be able to do carb sync, valve tuning yourself? Let alone body work. Cars would be rare, expensive, and ancient ones would stick around for decades for a lack of an affordable alternative. Within my lifetime though - should probably plan to build an EXP, FAA be damned... A DA-40 hull turned EXP with a modern flat-6 engine (like the UL-520), would be cool. Such that flies like any other DA-40 (which is lovely), but starts like a modern car. And burns most flammable liquids, 100LL for $8.50 / gallon be damned as well :-D
@@suzukirider9030 by airplane standards, rv-6 was widely adopted. Or RVs in general. There are more of those sold then most certified planes over the same time period. Also, experimental planes don't require you to do your own maintenance. They just allow it. Yoy can hire a while team of mechanics if you like. They're mostly all running the exact same engines anyway. All that to say, I agree you should build a kit plane 👍
@@lockirocu Running the exact same engines is a bit of a problem - GA really lacks newer engines, which start like a modern car engine. Hell, like a 90s car engine. Is that too much to ask? :-D
I would adjust the insurance rates a bit. I just got a quote back on a Sling TSI (self build not build assist) on 180K hull value and 300 hours of flight time and IFR rating and the lowest insurance premium I could find was $5300 so I really doubt you are going to get insurance on a 600K hull value retract aircraft for $4000 even if it is certified
My skippable ad was about why I should consider “dating” a “young Slavic lady.” Based on the ladies shown in the ad, I think that could be more expensive than the Panthera. 😬
Without also "hands off" flying, that would get tiresome. And no, I'm not interested in hearing about "Autopilot", all aircraft with or without it must be maneuvered without it.
Ah Textron. Tries to launch the 177, abandons it, buys Columbia, tries to launch the 400/TTx only to abandon it, buys Pipistrel, and tries to launch the Panthera. Hopefully they don't kill this one. I wonder which is the better airplane: the TTx or the Panthera.
@@CompleteWalkaround I hope they stick with it over the long haul. Electric is the future, but anyone's guess how far into the future. With any luck they jumped in at the right time and this is finally the Cirrus-killer they've always wanted. Would love to see a sleek and quiet bird like that in the pattern.
If, in the words of Jeremy Clarkson, “Electric cars will work, but they don’t work now,” I don’t even know how I feel about an electric aircraft. In my head, that sounds like it’ll have a range of just 5 miles.
Sticker price is obscene, but it is a very nice plane for it. I'm excited about Pipistrel's electrification attempts, though. I'd love to see a video on their Electro to understand how an effectively zero cost fuel looks
It struck me watching this that we need some sort of rating that reflects "Has this plane been out long enough that there are old models for slightly less than absolutely-completely-bonkers insane prices". This would be a 0 as basically the only way to get one is to buy it new, while something like a Cessna 140 would be a 10 because it's moderately available, old but not an exotic antique collector's item. Just a thought.
I have to disagree on the visuals. It looks kind of ugly. The rear end of the fusulage is so thin, it makes it look like on of those models who removed part of her rib cage to tighten that hourglass shape to a beond unreasonable degree. And I the same way that this 'beauty standard" is super unhealthy, I would like to point out that survivorship bias studdys have shown us that planes which got hit in the rear fusulage during world war 2 were less likely to make it home.
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He got me :') I'm watching this while taking a dump
Dammit got me too luck fcker...
@@thaphreak yep
#notwrong
Likewise
Same
Same!
I can’t understate how magical I find the gestalt of your videos. In the time of one side of a 45, you provide us with crunchable numbers and a transfer of your and the market’s gut feelings of these planes.
Thank you very much and thanks for introducing me to the word gestalt
Creates quite the ethos 😂!
I've heard of the Corvette index but never the Cessna 172 index. Awesome explanation of the costs involved. Sad though this is killing GA.
Aye
Certifications are hella
Honestly hold out for a market crash. More than any other product really GA prices are affected by the stock market. Most owners have reasonably good jobs and use stock bonuses to buy/maintain planes. If the value of those stocks crater, then they are the first high ticket item to be sold and the market comes down. Now that said, I don't think we'll ever again see it be 40-50k for a new Cessna, but these insaneo prices will be unsustainable if/when the market dips.
Government ruins everything. 🤷♂️
I'm on the toilet right now, you got me. Thinking of installing a landing gear lever as my flush handle.
That would be awesome! Do it for real, send me the pic, and I’ll help spread the meme!
I had a deposit on a Panthera that I had refunded. The first reason was the people that were the dealers misinformed me about a problem that they had with the plane. Second was the 2 insurance quotes I received. First was $18,000 second was $55,000 for a $650,000 hull value. I did get to fly the Panthera for about 15 minutes and like the man says It’s work in progress.
Was this a kit one or a Certified (EASA) one?
Experimental. There is no certified version yet
@@montaukflying9933 Pipistrel are currently selling their EASA (soon to be) certified version in Europe. I understand that they have some a substantial number of these but I have no idea of how many.
That 172 “index” is an eye opener! Used to dream of a Beechcraft as a kid after seeing those ads in my granddads National Geo mags. Way out of the price range now but do have a share in a Pacific Aerospace CT4 (you’ll need to google that if you live in the Northern Hemisphere) which is no Baron but does get my ass off the ground!
Consistently high quality videos, thank you!
Consistently high quality comments, thank you too
@@CompleteWalkaround a part from your delusion that you think a slovenian brand would annunciate words the same as your ill educated self
@@pred7949 The algorithm loves trolls, what else have ya got
@@CompleteWalkaround consistently high quality replies
2:24 it's really cute from this angle, composites have the best optimal shapes
Perhaps surprisingly, there is no language or spelling problem w "Sinus" or "Virus"; they may be pronounced slightly differently in Slovenian, but they have the exact same meaning and potential respiratory infection associations as in English. English just has a rather unique approach to pronouncing its latin script vowels, but the meaning doesn't change.
Thank you for a fascinating channel, it is a really witty and informative presentation of so many GA planes!
Hahah, i could watch your videos about any topic. Your sense of humor os amazing
That last minute of commentary was great! Well done sir, well done!
Tbh, the specs on this are pretty much perfect for what I'd love to have... except for the sticker price. Now I just need to win the Powerball to be able to buy and operate this 👍
Love your channel! 😊
It certainly looks sleek. For $240K you can purchase a complete RV-10 quick build kit including engine, prop, IFR panel, paint and interior. Just got to build it. It's maybe 20 kts slower but for a third of the price a great deal.
I'd never thought you would cover this plane, they aren't exactly very common. I've only once seen a Panthera in person and I would love to fly it one day. However I do fly the Socata TB20, an awesome machine that may fit well in a future video of yours?
excuse you i requested this a while ago and was told that it wasn't even certified
but i love this and i love you tysm
I wish I could say I am able to keep track of all the requests. I am very fortunate for the wonderful feedback I get. I'm glad you got your request. I hope it lived up to your expectations.
@@CompleteWalkaround We are all very fortunate for the wonderful videos you put out, so it's a win-win!
Hii
Your video is quite inspiring and I would like to ask about the actual cost of maintenance. I have an educational project that needs this data
When is the certification going to be completed? No news long after the acquisition!!
Piper Colt, please!
Neat airplane, I keep checking out the BD-4 when I look at airplanes I can't afford yet. Surprising performance for how blocky it looks
BD4 is indeed a high performing uglyass airplane. Will get to it before too long
@@CompleteWalkaround Wait till they get the BD10 flying again someday, that'll be a fun video to make
@@pigeon4208 I just found out if you want a BD 10 you can buy a Viperjet instead. There was one selling around 300k I believe. Same engine, but a tad slower.
@@josephc.9520 Slower is unacceptable, I am speed
Hey can you do the Cessna citation x it’s my favorite plane
I told you already what you are the best one ☺️
So cool! have never of this plane, learning new things!
Would you please do a video on the Lancair LX-7 piston version?
That certainly is the most Beautifull piston single out there
Great video but what really makes the video great are all the funny little side comments. Great job. Keep it up!
Thanks CPD!
How much Cirrus and Diamond are paying the FAA to NOT certify the Panthera? (-:
I love these videos :)
Y ahora ya es toda una realidad todo eso que tú pensabas que no lo iba a hacer
Great video. I know it might not be your forte or the most popular thing(s), but it would be cool to see some rotorcraft broken down :)
-helo pilot
hahahaha ... seriously hilarious man .. LOL ... love it
pitts s1 pls
The ads... they're no longer skip-able.
What do you use to do the graphics in your videos? Nice job.
Thanks. I use any free drawing app for iPad. They're all the same basically
@@CompleteWalkaround Wow, did you sketch them yourself? If so, you are quite the artist...impressive.
@@seaplaneguy1 One man show
Nice..Panthera
Awesome
You're not wrong
Please compare planes more often to the sr-22. Its the average thing everyone should use.
HOW DID HE KNOW??
#notwrong
I got you brother.
This is like a 4 seater version of the JMB VL3.
"Performance-wise, it's exceptionally close to an SR-22"
Me, who has only heard that name associated with the military jet: "SAY WHAT NOW?"
30 seconds later...
"Wait, did I get that number wrong?" ...googles... "Ah. I see; I was thinking of the SR-71. I wonder if the SR-22 was deliberately named to confuse people."
It stands for "Single Reciprocating" as opposed to their other products such as "Single Fanjet", and "Single Turboprop" aircraft. So, I doubt it. The two on the end is probably because it is the second in the series of SR aircraft, the first being the SR-20, but I don't know. Sometimes those numbers are arbitrary, sometimes they reflect some aspect of the aircraft performance- whatever the marketing department thinks will stick. Anyway, deliberately confusing people is counter productive to the goals of marketing in general.
@@M4xPower ruclips.net/video/DBTKx3scjy8/видео.html
That toilet comment just caught me red handed 😂
Love the low hourly cost. Which makes sense for an aerodynamically efficient aircraft made out of materials which last for decades.
80% of the purchase cost is bureaucracy. If the bureaucracy somehow gets a kick in the butt - modern, efficient GA might become affordable to the middle class again. And we might very well be moving towards such a kick in the butt, it's direction very much TBD though, but that's another story... But, ask yourself - what has it taken to break a deeply entrenched status quo, historically?
I don't see the certified world ever returning to common person affordability. Experimental is the future of GA imo.
@@CompleteWalkaround Sigh. And I don't see anything labelled as "experimental" ever becoming widely adopted. Nor cost-efficient. Imagine if car ownership required to own a mechanic shop and be able to do carb sync, valve tuning yourself? Let alone body work. Cars would be rare, expensive, and ancient ones would stick around for decades for a lack of an affordable alternative.
Within my lifetime though - should probably plan to build an EXP, FAA be damned... A DA-40 hull turned EXP with a modern flat-6 engine (like the UL-520), would be cool. Such that flies like any other DA-40 (which is lovely), but starts like a modern car. And burns most flammable liquids, 100LL for $8.50 / gallon be damned as well :-D
@@suzukirider9030 by airplane standards, rv-6 was widely adopted. Or RVs in general. There are more of those sold then most certified planes over the same time period. Also, experimental planes don't require you to do your own maintenance. They just allow it. Yoy can hire a while team of mechanics if you like. They're mostly all running the exact same engines anyway. All that to say, I agree you should build a kit plane 👍
@@lockirocu Running the exact same engines is a bit of a problem - GA really lacks newer engines, which start like a modern car engine. Hell, like a 90s car engine. Is that too much to ask? :-D
Such a shame they threw out the old motor :(
I would adjust the insurance rates a bit. I just got a quote back on a Sling TSI (self build not build assist) on 180K hull value and 300 hours of flight time and IFR rating and the lowest insurance premium I could find was $5300 so I really doubt you are going to get insurance on a 600K hull value retract aircraft for $4000 even if it is certified
#notwrong, and adding a like once again.
Man those RUclips engagement statistics know a disturbing amount about viewing habits
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Called a spade a spade ♠️ #notwrong
#NotWrongInTheComments 👍
That Acclaim looks so sexy!
L-65 Seabear is a beast utilitarian amphibian! Check it out :)
L65 is even beyond beast. So rare.
You were wrong, I wasn't on the toilet. I was at work, hiding from my boss!
Ahhh...
(wait for it)
Choo!
My skippable ad was about why I should consider “dating” a “young Slavic lady.” Based on the ladies shown in the ad, I think that could be more expensive than the Panthera. 😬
planes > girlfriend
You said SR-22, I heard SR-71
Wrong. I didn’t see an ad and I watched on my iPad.
Btw the virus is a nice plane to fly way sensitive on the controls... Like finger touch
Without also "hands off" flying, that would get tiresome. And no, I'm not interested in hearing about "Autopilot", all aircraft with or without it must be maneuvered without it.
R-22/44. Show the helo guys some love
BD4
We dang I was on the toilet!
I wish I could triple-like this video!
“Ahhh… chooo!” 😂😂
Ah Textron. Tries to launch the 177, abandons it, buys Columbia, tries to launch the 400/TTx only to abandon it, buys Pipistrel, and tries to launch the Panthera. Hopefully they don't kill this one. I wonder which is the better airplane: the TTx or the Panthera.
Seems Textron bought pipistrel for their electric engine technology. Doesn't bode well for panthera
@@CompleteWalkaround I hope they stick with it over the long haul. Electric is the future, but anyone's guess how far into the future. With any luck they jumped in at the right time and this is finally the Cirrus-killer they've always wanted. Would love to see a sleek and quiet bird like that in the pattern.
YeeeeeAah def #notwrong 😅
Only thing you're wrong about is the ad this video was supposed to cost me (All hail the almighty adblocker)
I was not in output mode, but gladly stuffing my face while on the cell phone. Remember, it all comes out in the end, 😃
#wrong - I'm actually sitting on the couch (with Seinfeld reruns on the TV, at low volume), watching on a an old Linux laptop. Booyah!
Not wrong.
I'll admit it #notwrong
.....not wrong.....
#notwrong
"Melt my face and steal my girlfriend? HA! fool! I dont have a girlfriend!" *also doesnt have a plane... *
If, in the words of Jeremy Clarkson, “Electric cars will work, but they don’t work now,” I don’t even know how I feel about an electric aircraft. In my head, that sounds like it’ll have a range of just 5 miles.
Ahhhh....choo....
Sticker price is obscene, but it is a very nice plane for it. I'm excited about Pipistrel's electrification attempts, though. I'd love to see a video on their Electro to understand how an effectively zero cost fuel looks
Sometimes I think the only way out of the cost inflation of airplanes is through comprehensive tort reform.
lol yeah #notwrong
Da50ng!!!!!
#notwrong 😅
It struck me watching this that we need some sort of rating that reflects "Has this plane been out long enough that there are old models for slightly less than absolutely-completely-bonkers insane prices". This would be a 0 as basically the only way to get one is to buy it new, while something like a Cessna 140 would be a 10 because it's moderately available, old but not an exotic antique collector's item. Just a thought.
#NotWrong
Wrong, with premium you can pay £13 a month to sit on the toilet.
OMG so funny.
#Wrong. Sitting by my computer with an adblocker!
#NOTWRONG
pealen
If you have this plane you don't really care about costs
#notwrong - ignore the smell.
Not wrong 😂
#wrong I'm sitting at my computer waiting for my game to load. All of your other videos? Yeah, there's an 80% chance you'd be right
Aaaa chooo lol
"...melt your face and steal your girlfriend"...HA!!
#NotWrong ;)
#notwrong 😂
There’s just now way out of the liability reality of modern life.
Wrong! I went to toilet right after watching due to nauseating prices.
I have to disagree on the visuals. It looks kind of ugly.
The rear end of the fusulage is so thin, it makes it look like on of those models who removed part of her rib cage to tighten that hourglass shape to a beond unreasonable degree. And I the same way that this 'beauty standard" is super unhealthy, I would like to point out that survivorship bias studdys have shown us that planes which got hit in the rear fusulage during world war 2 were less likely to make it home.
I appreciate the perspective
#notwrong LOL
#notwrong