Kieron Gillen Sh*ts Out Worst X-Men Event Finale Of All-Times
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Expectations were low for Rise of the Powers of X #5. Fall of X was a disaster from the start. Bur Marvel writer Kieron Gillen still managed to subvert expectations and delivered the worst X-MEn event finale of all-times. People will be studying this comic for years trying to make sense of it. Because almost every single event in this comic is incomprehensible. Against all odds, Gerry Duggan managed to deliver a better final issue in Fall of the House of X. Wes and Jim review Rise of the Powers of X #5 and try to make sense of one of the worst comics ever. Kieron Gillen craps out worst X-Men event finale of all-times.
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Back in the 80's, you could get yourself out of a story corner by doing the "it was all a dream" episode.
Logan wakes up, "Damn, no more late night burritos for me."
I was thinking the same thing. Only it was Jean waking up with Scott in the shower. Marvel REALLY needs to take some hints from 80s TV when they back themselves up into a corner.
Deadpool: I killed the storywriter for LULZ, then regenerated.
the editors supposed to be on control of a canon a distinct path but Marvel haven't had editors for years
Once Hickman exited, Krakoa Age was DOA. As I've said in most TC discussions on this subject, seeing these writers trying and failing to salvage an ending is like having a fry cook trying to finish a five star chef's meal.🤣
Brilliant analogy!!!
The thing that caused Secret Wars (2016). Enigma, a force so powerful the Beyonders were afraid of it. Yet looking at how quickly they rushed this you’d think it was some villain of the week. What a waste of what would probably have been an awesome concept if Hickman hadn’t left. What a bummer.
It reminds me of that comic from a year or so ago (Edit: It was New Mutants Lethal Legion #2) in which a bunch of bratty newcomers beat Count Nefaria, a supervillain that even the Avengers had great difficulty battling. The writers are making everybody jobbers.
I agree it's all Marvel editorials' fault for the downfall of the x-men krakoan era, matter of fact, they ruin x-men as a whole. Just countless bad decision from both editorials and incompetent writers. Is the cause of x-men not being good for the past years.
You cannot convince me that Enigma is not BS. The frikkin' phalanx after eons of creating their union or whatever they call it - keep forgetting are overshadowed by that crap. It's supposedly on the level of OAA and I'm supposed to take that sh!t seriously? How is it that strong? Meh reasons...
Hickman deserves just as much blame. He's the one that came up with this stupid idea
This whole era died the second Hickman's plans got derailed. He wrote all this creepy subtext and unsettling examples of the X-Men losing their way but the people who took over were a bunch of morons who looked at things like the Crucible and said "This is totally awesome!" Orchis should not have destroyed Krakoa, it should have been a civil war that brought them low, it should have been revealed that Xavier was subtly changing personalities to make sure people got along. But nope. Every single mutant drank the kool-aid and it is canon that Wolverine at the very least banged Jean in a hot tub, Nightcrawler started a cult despite being a devout Catholic, the X-Men sat back and watched En Sabah Nur beat a girl to death to prove her worthiness, turned their back on Danger, put people like Sinister in charge, and all that is canon. They need a massive retcon to salvage these people, but because Marvel and DC would rather listen to twitter than paying customers, this abomination will stand. They will just try to ignore it so they can have their cake and eat it too. Sigh...I know there have been bad runs in the past but there is a friggin taint on these characters. I don't care that they are fictional, they meant something to me and to see all of them abandon their principles as one giant mass? At this point, I am tempted to just pretend Marvel ended in 2015 with Secret Wars.
Exactly 💯. That's why this whole Fall of x thing has been so laughable. It's obvious that the Legion of Doofuses didn't have the skill to maintain Hickman's plans let alone try to call themselves wrapping up said plans. It's been a hilarious shitshow to watch.
I was trying to tolerate this story from the beginning because my hope was that Hickman would try to use the end to get the X-Men back to their status quo and get back a lot of the characters Marvel killed off just to spite Fox. But it's in far worse condition than when Hickman took over. Not blaming John. He's good at doing decent stories and then getting the characters to a point where the next writer can get a good start with the characters in their normal status. After he left, the creators decided the bad guys were good. Says a lot about the people working at Marvel now...
I agree. While Marvel don't make a huge retcon that all they were brainwashed by Krakoa or were plant clones since the begin I'll never touch in a new X-Men book again. They don't are heroes anymore.
HOX/POX died the minute Hickman signed on because he never finishes anything.
Come on guys, you have to find it funny at this stage can’t you? They’re in such a horrendous state that all you can do is laugh, maybe it’s because I don’t have to read it that I’m able to laugh.
It started with a bang but ends on a whimper
@@roaringsteelmedia Don’t forget the so-called writers who go, “I’m going to make this established hero a bad guy & a one-dimensional straw man because they’re different than I am and so they must be evil & an acceptable outlet for the rage I should be dealing with in therapy instead!”
Scarlet Witch: No More Decent Stories!
LOL 😂
The real villain of Marvel Superheroes
It gets tiresome when the X-Men always relying on the "Jeannie X-Machina" to get them out of a jam. The Phoenix is the most overused character in all of Marvel Comics. I can't believe the writer had made Jean do a Rey Palpatine, Rise of Skywalker, moment. I guess she's Jean Rey now
They used this gimmick even in the season finale of X-Men 97. Phoenix always come to save the day.
Yeah one of my few gripes with the animated series. Why always go to the Phoenix well? It’s too powerful
Another reason I never liked the Jean Grey character.
This X-Men series could not end soon enough.
Except that yes, the X-Men are DEAD. They're just 'Clones' that are nothing more than plants with memories of the mutants imprinted from Cerebro's harddrive. Remember, they can make multiple COPIES of them, that says they're not the real Mutants.
This is why some people only read these events after they get released as trade paperbacks available at public libraries.
Library for me
Lmao
9:11 it's like seeing all the White Hot Room team with all the Phoenix logos on all the different characters...it seemed like it was ripping off the end of BLACKEST NIGHT with all the White Lanterns beating Nekron at the finale.
They were heading to Phoenix for the summer Fan Fest.
...they already had something like this with the Avengers Phoenix tournament, so they ripped themselves off too
@@Mr_Robotts happened in the Venditti Hawkman book as well
The entire Krakoa concept was absolute shit. It wasn't what the X-Men actually are. We desperately need a "Chris Claremont" type to straighten this mess out.
It would have been better if Jean woke up from a dream and Scott was in the shower and she was like "I had this weird dream that we all lived on Krakoa and could resurrect at will.." and Scott is like "Ok Jean, no more Girls night out with Storm and Kitty...." >:)
Personally. I would have tapped into the Multiverse with this. Had Professor X rip off Cerebro, Scott come in and be like "Professor are you OK" and Charles being like "Yes Scott. I was just looking at alternate timelines for us.." "Anything of note?" "No...just something I pray NEVER comes to pass for us...."
Seriously, call this what it is. A Bad fever dream.
Lmao for reals! They need to reboot all the way back to the end of the 90s. All this futa mystique crap, 75% of the characters being bi, race/gender swap stuff. This is character assassination. Hell they didn't even need to do the Azazel bs in the early 00s. They literally changed Nighcrawlers past twice since it's original story, which was so tragic and telling for both Mystique's character AND Nightcrawler. These people are morons in the comic industry... They never read a damn thing in the past and if they did then something is completely broken in their brains... They're writing fanfics that you see off tumblr... and the art good god that was the first to go once the 90s came to a close and it only got way worse in the 2010s to now.
These writers need to tell simple basic stories. They don't have the abilities to tell grand complex stories especially in this day and age when it takes six issues to tell one story.
“I’m all the X-Men”
Dang, think back on it, that's exactly what happened 😮😂😢
"So how do we end this story?" The Phoenix comes in and saves the day." "Again?"
During the "Resurrection of Magento" it been stated that all mutants left the "Waiting Room" therefore it should be emptied of mutants.
As for resurrection, it been confirmed in the storyline about the 5th Cerbro in the Atlantic is still operational therefore resurrection is still on the table.
WOW this is a long shite way away from Charles Xavier teaching a bunch of mutants to not hate humans. My Hero Academia & Demon Slayer are still amazing even though Marvel is absolutely defunct.
I feel like japanese artist and writers actually care for their stories. America just shits itself after a while and has to reboot everything. Sad...
On the -plus side doesn’t this mean that the stupidity of Echo being the Phoenix is now over and done?
At least they got rid of that stupid hot claws bs.
Correction: it ended and it blows.
And this: Now Jordan White’s failure is complete.
Back in the day, Hope Summers was an important character and not just a plot device.
They are too dumb to do something good with the character so they just kill her off.
Man, I miss the astonishing era so much.
An important character? Maybe. A good character? Not so sure.
Xavier knew 30 years ago that Enigma would hide in the future :D Full BS!
Feel bad for people that spent money of this crap.
hopefully they learned their lesson and are never buying the crap DC and Marvel produce again
So much money wasted on the krakoaen era
I challenge anyone to name anything that has as much contempt for it's own history, continuity, characterisation and fandom as what modern Marvel does. Stan & Jack, Thomas, Claremont, Gruenwald and co made something amazing that should have lasted forever. It only took one generation of clowns to utterly destroy it all.
They are vandals that poison everything is good,noble,pure and heroic to fit with your personal worldview. I'm done with all this shit.
This is 💯 facts right here! For instance, some of the Captain America storylines from the past several years have made my jaw drop with how incompetently done they are and how disrespectful to the history & characters they are. I’ll stick to my TPBs of Captain America: The Captain, West Coast Avengers: Darker Than Scarlet, Captain America: The Scourge of the Underworld, U.S.Agent: The Good Fight, and The Legacy of Captain America because Marvel might not care about good stories and accurate characterizations anymore, but I do.
Comics have always fucked up Cap or used him for their own agenda.
As much as Chris Evans can be a clown he still took all of one movie to make Cap better then any comic iteration
That was Marvel greatest Era. Modern writers twisted all the positive messages these legendary writers bring in your stories.
X-men finale is the Game of Thrones, season 8 of finales.
Her fear was being on the losing side I thought. Moira gets to grow old and die as a human free of any responsibility to anyone but herself
Moria proved be the most selfish character of the entire Marvel Universe. They ruined the main human ally of the X-Men for nothing after all.
I'll stay with the old X-Men comics.
Good for you. Krakoa Era ruined the X-Men forever. All they are killers now.
@@EvandroACruzand drug dealers, and xenophobic racists, and amoral mind ...invaders, and on and on. They took them to the edge of morality and hopped over
@@EvandroACruzSome people on reddit tries to defend their actions.
@@Erastoneus45 All they are ammoral douchebags. No surprise.
So they made the Phoenix a mutant... Problem is it existed billions of years before muties appeared :D
They solved this by revealing mutants PRE-dated humans by billions of years, are actually the reason why humans and present day mutants exist and had advanced mutant societies back then too.
I wish I was joking but the Marauders run kinda revealed that back in 2023.
@@spinningtornado4543I feel these stories are all over the place. Not even comics explained could help me keep up
@@narusas1222 They are all over the place and nobody can keep up with them.
X-men adds $1 to the cover price to cover data pages. Smh
There's only 198 mutants left? So, we're back at the aftermath of the House of Magneto?
The sollicites for the July relaunch that were shared since Marsh have in fact spoiled this bit of information as the status quo is exactly the same as what we had at the start of Fall of X and it was specifically stated mutants were very very low in numbers.
RoPoX's finale is only a surprise if you completely cut yourself from any news outlet about the July relaunch.
One reason they did that was for status quo and the implication of mutants over taking humans is that there would be no more equal rights. Your birth and X gene decides everything. You are either a winner or a loser and most omega or high level mutants will not care about those on the low end.
Whaaaat?!! There should be more than that bc of X-men vs Avengers event!!
The "Nightcrawler" shown in the final battle isn't Nightcrawler actually : It's Cardinal, the 3rd generation mutant Chimera from PoX made from Nightcrawler's DNA alongside Prestige and Ajax's... Who just looks like Azazel with red hair and red eyes.
His existence here makes as much sense as anything else.
Im so glad I’ve stopped reading this. It started out so strong and got dragged out to the point of a whimper.
Happy I'm not the only one to find it bad. They tried to do Hickman without Hickman... The result is presumptuous nonsense!
You know what the saddest part about so many beloved comics being destroyed is? You never get your friends into them like you may have wanted to in the past😭😭 I just tell them different cool event/big stories to for example:Secret Wars(OG) and X-men: God Loves,Man kills.
I mainly recommend good mangas/manhuas/Anime at this point. Recently, I have gotten into the Saint Seiya series from the 1980's!
Kieron Gillen is HORRIBLE. Realized this after it hit me I wasted a ton of money on Avengers/X-Men/Eternals garbage crossover.
Yes he make the dumb retcon that Tony Stark was a foster child of Howard and MAria Stark that I always hated. He's overrated like hell.
@@EvandroACruz He pushed and publicly advertised Si Spurrier's stupid retcon of Nightcrawler's new origins.
He is overrated AND unprofessional.
Yeah that ending was a bit rushed, Enigma should have been a bigger deal.
Enigma's power level was b*llshit
@@nobodyknowsforsureWhst happened?
This is the second time Kieron Gillen eradicates the entire mutant nation's population at the end of a plot like it's no big deal and is for the best.
Remember the AXE event where Krakoa was nuked with everyone still on it ? It's the same thing right there.
The X-Men franchise is at such a low point, the X-Office is recycling the same plot by the same writer from a little more than a year ago (Fall or Winter 2022 if memory serves).
You made a big point on recycling ideas,not many people realize that writers rehash the same storyline, but making it worse. After the claremont era of x-men, I am so glad ultimate x-men (2024) exists that the book brings fresh ideas, then the mainline x-men books.
@@tyresselittle747 What makes it even worse is when a new writer rehashes an old storyline, but thinks they’re being original and creative because they care so little about the history they actually do think they’re being innovative.
Looking at the dialogue in the hot white room, I‘m gladly skipping current day X-Men. It makes this room sound like a computer or AI, that’s the type of canon I decided to ignore.
Agreed. I saw dialogue like, [Any/all] your actions are justified. I will see you [again/never],” and thought, “What is this, a Choose Your Own Adventure?”
Dr. Moira MacTaggart should've never been turned into a superhuman being. She should've just either remained a normal, ordinary human being or just killed off. Her whole reincarnation power is stupid. Her being reborn over and over again is idiotic. She is only supposed to be an ally of the X-Men and a genius in genetic engineering. She is just a supporting character, not a main character. Making her more important than she is supposed to be is really dumb. It's just bad writing.
Moira was also one of the three people (her, Senator Kelly and Charles Xavier) whose death directly leads to the creation of the Days of Future Past dystopian future.
For Moira to be a mutant, let alone one with the powerset she was retconned to have, makes DoFP read like a first of a long chain of plotholes inn the foundations of the franchise.
Everyone says how RUSHED these books are! SMDH
It seems like they gave Moira a happy ending as they realized they did her dirty. Was the Dominion supposed to be like Final Crisis Darkseid?
Writers in 2024 are still using the "DALLAS dream escape clause" that was hated back in the 80s? Wow...
Back in the 80s, it was not hated, it was as funny as innovative. The thing is it can only be used once in a lifetime.
wait did they just say there's only 198 mutants currently active?(not counting arrakkans and white hot room residents)
What the hell?
I.... I'm just confused.
Honestly at this point it makes me wish Jonathan Hickman never even had a plan for the X-Men because this is just garbage Mora McTagger should have never been a mutant at all she's like one of the few human supporting characters the X-Men and to change at around and then follow up with these crazy future story lines but nothing really ended up happening at the end of all of this was wasting time. You could have not have done the storyline at all Hell the X-Men would have been better dealing with the whole age of X-Man at least that made more sense than this crap from the house of x and Power of X what a waste of time this was. Just be like oh look we're going to give Jean Grey The Phoenix Force all over again okay great now her and the Phoenix realized that they can't be separate because they're one of the same witch that's been years resolved a long time ago but hey it is what it is.
It’s like Linkara’s summary of Future’s End from DC Comics. “So after 48 comics, and however long this episode has been running, it was ALLL for NOTHING!”
Looks like Kieron Gillen must have watched Star Wars Episode 9 and thought that lazy ending would be something great to rip off for his big finale.
Kieron Gillen ripped off 1) his own self since the Krakoa mutants got shafted to the shadow realm like they were during his AXE event and 2) better X-Men writers than him by taking the same climax the Onslaught saga had and slapping it into RoPoX.
Kieron Gillen also ripped off the gun fight Mystique had against Azazel over the betrayal he did to her surrounding Nightcrawler's existence back in 2014 for the Mystique, Nightcrawler and Destiny conflict he approved the retcon for.
Don't blame me, I voted for Senator Kelly
😂😂😂😂😂😂
how come every single modern comic event, even ones that start really strong and thought provoking like this one, ends up with a bunch of giant cosmic beings punching each other until one of them arbitrarily wins.
basically none of the main characters got a proper catharsis, not even Moira.
she's SOMEWHERE/SOMETIME being able to be a kid again without being a mutant?
was that what she wanted?
what does that say about being a mutant?
at least the couple of mutant terrorists, supremacists got to have their gay wedding (yay?) but Xavier who keeps trying to help everyone gets sent to prison.
Modern? It's always been that way. Characters with omnipotent powers like the Phoenix who never even think of ending global hunger, pollution, etc.
@@theschoolsurvivalguide4544 They like to have cop-outs like, “Humans must take charge of their own future!” which sound reasonable, but don’t change the fact that the cosmic being could have still provided resources. They can create galaxies, but not research laboratories, hospitals, schools, and dorms?
That's what you get when you want to keep pushing story's scale, power levels and try so hard to outdid every big story that was written before. Instead of sticking to less powerful villains and making the story about actual characters they keep making this multiversal and god level bullshit to create some illusion of stake in the story. It's just pure trash
This is what Kieron Gillan does to every book he comes into, makes it orders of magnitude worse than where it was before he got there. He is a bad writer plan and simple. Way to continue the ruin of Mr Sinister you hack.
Honestly, the whole Fall of X became incoherent towards the end. I hate to say it because I loved House of X and Powers of X. I'll say it again: Jonathan Hickman handed Marvel the holy grail and they didn't know what to do with it.
So Phoenix has to be substantialy more powerful then the Beyonders... Jesus. I just want my 80s and 90s comic back. No more what ifs, no more else worlds, no more "exploring", classic peeps doing classic stuff.
Power scaling is a complete trash when you remember GE Doom annihilating Phoenix boosted Cyclops
@@darthmetalus7469 It’s also trash when writers decide to make all the other characters jobbers in order to make their character/whichever character they’re writing seem stronger. For those who don’t know, a jobber or a Jabroni is a wrestler who takes a dive against a wrestler who is being hyped up in order to make the promoted wrestler look better than they really are. Marvel writers have been turning longtime characters into jobbers by having them lose to characters they should have beaten easily.
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra I agree with you, however I can't think of an example of that in recent Marvel/X-Men comics. Could you give one? I'm just curious
OK, Knull killing Sentry was pretty cringe, but in the X-Men comics?
@@darthmetalus7469 I had to find the video Wes did talking about it, but there was New Mutants Lethal Legion #2. That issue had newcomers taking on Count Nefaria, who the Avengers had previously had great difficulty battling. The video Wes did covering it is called “Marvel Calling Random Gibberish Comics Now” and was posted in April 2023.
Wow, two comictubers that I reviewed in the same video!
Totally agree with you guys, that was a terrible finale to an even worse era of x-men
I generally complain about the writing. And make no mistake, it is its own category of bad bad writing. But thinking about this, this is editors. No editorial hand. The bad writers get no corrections, no teaching about the continuity. I guess the only way to get such bad product is to multiply the poverty of writer talent by the incompetence of editor effort.
Thats how you get this college sophomore dormroom philosophy session meets wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.
Oh, and a prediction for the future: Mysterium armored Iron x-Man vs Mandarin with each of his 10 rings linked to a piece of Enigma.
TIME travel is the ONE THING that comics should not allow. TIME is the ONE THING in the universe that is constant and allows the value of all other things to be measured. Once you break TIME, then everything is shit worthless. It's the same thing in real life: if you could live forever, you wouldn't value your life much. TIME is what motivates everyone. If MARVEL was worth a shit, they would disallow time travel in ALL books.
Kieron Gillen. There was a time when he could write - incredibly in fact. His Journey Into Mystery with Kid Loki still sticks with me, and he had more planned, but they wanted him on a new title, I think it was Young Avengers (F that book for ruining JIM) and wanted him to stop immediately, then was given one issue to finish his book... He pushed hard and managed to get 2 issues to finish up his run... It was a really good ending, but that would have been a couple more issues if he was allowed to pace it, and worth those extra issues.
If it was Krakoa era, but didnt have Hickman's name on it.... wasnt worth buying.
My main disappointment with the latest X-Men stories is the mutants are still here after getting killed off. I know that sounds bad, but after they ruined the characters, made them self-obsessed whiners, and made them the equivalent of Aryan Supremacists, why should I root for them? How are they any different from the Hydra agents or Purifiers whose deaths we’re supposed to cheer for when they get killed by their own doomsday weapons?
“Stasis Timeline +10.” What are these, betting odds?
Yeah i noticed how the more recent version of has more elements about genetic superiority and how a single gene makes you superior to pepole because it makes you more important to a certain group no matering what else makes you "you"
And that the text book definition of a mutation dosent make it only beneficial for survival of an organism, some mutants win the genetic lottery with powers that can be deactivated and concealed
Others have automatic function
Years maybe?
@@darthmetalus7469 That could be.
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra no, it was surely years, Stasis timeline was set 10 years in the future
@@darthmetalus7469 Oh, I see! That makes sense, though it makes you wonder why they couldn’t have said, “10 years into the future,” instead of just putting, “+10.”
Sadly, my one-adored DC is in an even worse state than Marvel.
When did superhero writers lose the ability to write themselves out of a corner. Ok, past writers used cheap gimmicks, but they at least provided an Agatha Christie style explanation (impossible to know or guess information revealed only at the very end). Or is it just that bad writers didn’t get this kind of prominent assignment back in the past?
Why does listening to Wes and Jim describe all this make me mad and angry and pissed off and confused....and glad I completely stopped reading this stuff when I stepped away as being a manager of the store. I like big bold stories much as the next person, but this strikes me as just the type of stuff that is so confusing you just rush through it to get it over with, be glad it's done, and more on to something else. Again thanks for taking the hit on this one Wes and Jim. WTF20.
Why is it called Enigma?
Awesome work guys
Im not up to date on the X-Men but how dose Mr Sinister get the power to even stand before the Phoenix with out the Dominion?
Dominion scares the shit out of the Beyonders. The Pheonix is like a housecat to the Beyonders. The Pheonix plays AJ Styles theme song and makes an armada of Dominion back off and takes one out because wtf not.
What is the big deal with dominion anyway?
There's so much about this that doesn't work or make sense. Before the Krakoa era (and during?) the Pheonix was using Echo as the host. Why did the pheonix need to be reborn just because it's favorite host bit the bullet? Anyway congrats, pheonix is back... powered with the souls of countless mutants including Hope. That doesn't leave a bad taste or anything. Legion too I presume.
Enigma tries to mess with Jean by changing her life weakening her. Technically the only thing he would have done is creating new timelines.
The endings to this whole arc felt really underwhelming and rushed after years of not doing much.
They should've just had Franklin Richards and The Beyonder have a chat, agree that this whole thing is effed up and had them reset the timeline.
Actually the last page with moira’s 11th life was perfect. BUT all of the story leading to that page was so convoluted and unintelligible. It is so pretentious and trying hard to look ‘smart’ but all it accomplish is basically nothing.
I guess the best way to describe it is "a payoff to no setup" and "lots of setup without any decent payoff to them".
It was cool but there's quite a big question - whether she even deserved that after all she did. But then again all of this comic value and punishment systems make zero sense compared to real world's. But that was more, that was undermining the basics of storytelling and logic of the story as an evil character gets rewarded and we as the readers should be happy about this apparently? That's how it was written, no ambiguity, no anything just a happy ending.
Fall of X is still not finished? It should have wrapped up months ago to make people hungry for the lackluster relaunch. Talk about the bad break-up in super slow slog motion.
I would like them to memory hole all this.
My brain hurts..uggh
I don’t understand x-men at all. How are they an allegory for discrimination?
They never were about discrimination. All the main theme is about biological evolution since the begin. Mutants are dangerous this is a fact in-universe.
They aren't. They have godlike powers and live in a mansion with a jet but they are somehow persecuted by "the poors."
X-Men always were about biological evolution with mutants doomed to replace humankind in the future.
Never were about discrimination. Is about biological evolution.
These writers are horrible hacks!
Power creep is killing comics
OK first off those claws are burning clause her bodies made a fire so if she manifest claws they’re gonna look like fire as well….Seriously do you guys just look at the picture like two seconds….roll your eyes and scream outrage before even processing?
Anyway back on the subject yeah I also agree that the story seems very underdeveloped and didn’t really deliver much there also I’m just gonna say I feel like they kind of ripped off the end of Gurren Lagann….. or at least the movie where everyone manifested their own Mech….. but then they all merge into some super robot God to fight the spirals which also kind of reminds me of enigma!….lol
The spiral enemies were kind of talk to me these omnipotent hyper evolved God to became part of the cosmos and could not be physically defeated yet the main characters just reach deep inside pull out a humongous amount of guts and determination and were able to match a god in battle?…..🤔
Last x men story i collected was messiah complex.
Glad i cashed out then
Kieron is a genuinly nice guy, I have known him for a number of years, hes a decent enough writer when he stays with what he is good at, ( Once and Future. For example ) he genuinly loves comics so has that going for him, but I think that as Marvel have put more and more stock in him as an investment, he has been stretched further than his talent actually reaches, his work seems tired and theres an air of dissasociation from the characters, a sense of Fatigue, and it really does him no favors. We are Judged by our latest works in the Entertainment industry, and his latest simply do not cut the mustard, at least where his career at Marvel is concerned. I would say he is simply cashing a cheque these days at Marvel. And in some ways I cant blame him for that in the current economy, but I have started to lose respect for his writing because of the Disinterest Im seeing in the last few years of his Marvel work. Might be time to hang up the old Bullpen security pass and write something he is actually invested in.
I would be interested in x-men but there is so much convoluted crap I don't think it's worth it.
Oh Im sure they can still do worse.
3:50 “your souls are mine now” is that from Freddy?
Mortal Kombat movie, but singular: „Your soul is mine now!“.
@@davidgantenbein9362 Oh right, I was sure Freddy said that in Nightmare on Elm Street.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- Likely, I never watched those to be honest, but it would fit.
I love how they made it more confusing... so let's say moria now gets an 11th life with no powers...ok... then all the continuity from her first appearance is now gone? Did all that happen or no? Because for her she's back to her childhood ... so is this why she was human allong as we the readers knew her ? That would cancel out the kraoka age...or has she now lived her life as a normal person and never met the xmen ? Because now every story with her is invalid...like muria island saga ..proteuis..etc...she was part of some huge events and was key in some as well ...so either her bein human was because we were seeing her her 11th life and karoka never happened..or she lost hwr powers in her 11th life and never met the xmen wich cancels out every and all of her presence through out the titles history...like no deadly Genesis etc ....everything else made no sence but how they fumbled the moria parts was what stuck out the most to me
Moira lost her powers during Hickman's Inferno miniseries. So her death here wouldn't do anything.
@VaughnEsper yes ..she has no powers and became a cyborg..but is she now 13 in current time ? Or did she go back to her as 13 in the past ..when we see her in the field at 13.. is she now 13 in 2024 or 13 in say 1995 in the field ..I'm assuming she's around 40 ..or 38 ..so it wasn't clear ..did she go from a cyborg in 2024 and then de aged as a child so she's 13 in 2024...or are we seeing her in the past as a 13 year old ..so now when she's 20 does she meet Charles? Does she as 13 year old grow older to meet Charles in college? That's what's not making sence
@@glarepherson destiny said earlier in the krakoa era, that moira had 10, maybe 11 lives if she made the right choice. Presumably she made the right choice and that resulted in her 11th life. That's the only part i understand, lol.
Its literally two guys that talk to each other about things that they didnt read about...
Agreed it was awful, it's only worth keeping because I have the other 4.
well... that's that.... let's get going away from it.
Krakoa was not irremediable, there was a way to fix it.
All the characters that died in this era never actually resurrected, they were replaced by clones. CLONES ARE NOT THE REAL DEAL.
If the hacks at Marvel were using their brains they would use that fact as a plot point to fix the mess.
Hear me out. We all know that the X-Men turned into the bad guys in their own books, there has to be a reason for it, right?
What if they are not actually them? What if they didn't cheat death after all? What if the psyches of those clones were modified by a villain for them to do bad things? What if the Xavier of the House of X isn't actually Xavier but a villain in disguise? What if Mister Sinister was behind of all the mess of Krakoa pretending to be Charles Xavier? What if Mister Sinister wanted the ultimate war between humans and mutants for him to rule whatever was left and repopulate the world with a new breed of human beings genetically engineered in his image and likeness?
Now that would be something Mister Sinister would want, not that AI bullsh*t.
In the hypothetical scenario I just disclosed, the deus ex machina of the Phoenix force would have been the way to go.
The mind of the real Charles Xavier would have found in the astral realm the mind of the real Jean Grey that died in the mission when they destroyed the mastermold. Together they would have rekindled Jean's connection with the Phoenix force and with that power she would have brought back to life a bunch of the X-Men that died in the same mission (Cyclops, Wolverine, Nightcrwaler) and then all of them would have used that cosmic power-up to destroy all of the evil clones, Mister Sinister and Nimrod.
At the end of the story the status quo would have been restored and the Phoenix force would have left the planet Earth taking Jean and Xavier with it, for good.
Why didn't the hacks at Marvel think of that?
Can't sell the Wedding special issue at $9.99 with that kind of fix all twist.
so jean turned into one punch man?
None of this makes any sense, glad it's over hopefully the next run is better and we forget about this
I wonder if Hickman coulda made this work?
"Hot Claws" by Bubba Gump.
I watch your channel but won't buy anything from the new stuff. I really wonder how long this can last. I mean, you would have to restructure all of Marvel Comics, pay proper wages and who's to say eventually stories would go to crap again?
A poor ending to Immortal X-Men and Krakoa as a whole. I agree it was beyond Gillen's ability to tell a story this size. He probably shouldn't try to do anything more complex than Sins of Sinister.
A little disingenuous to say that everybody who says that they enjoyed Kieran Gillen's return to X-Men don't want to admit that they don't know what's going on. That's quite a sweeping statement, especially for an analyst.
Until Fall of X, Gillen's stuff hasn't been that confusing at all as long as you've been reading it all. Personally I thought Immortal X-Men was great. Unfortunately it was the only great book after Hickman left, and also, as we saw here, it missed the landing by a mile.
>Phoenix couldnt defeat
Bro, reread original HoX/PoX pls. And read Defenders by Al Ewing too.
That's xmen for u what the F did I read
You’re wrong about the Phoenix being weaker than the Celestials. The Phoenix is powerful enough to beat Galactus, who in turn managed to fight against 3 Celestials at the same time and was winning. So, yes, the Phoenix is definitely above the Celestials in terms of raw power. Do your research correctly.
this is a just-born Phoenix and Enigma himself says she's not powerful enoough - READ THE ISSUE CORRECTLY AND STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE!
X-Men has sucked since 97'.
I'm telling you , and it's only steadily getting worse. Does anybody remember when Greg Land was drawing Uncanny. And your telling me this is worse than that!?!?! How!?!?!?
Is X-Men a secondary mutation to suck ass????? X-Men was incredible. It was the perfect comic the undisputed franchise. But I swear to God after Operation Zero Tolerance the entire book has been on a slow decline.
you have to thank Grant Morrison for that
@@josesarango3408
But you can say
At the time
Grant Morrison X-Men did sell
It did generate excitement
yeah, people talk bad about the krakoa era, but arguably, x-men was mostly bad for many years before that.
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i don't even have a webcam - i use a tv as a monitor and never bought one
Xavier doesn't have telekinesis...
Does this guy make positive videos?
Criticism means you care about something. You want it to be better. I feel like this is lost in American society.
He doesn't make positive videos, he makes sincere videos😂
I had a bad feeling about Krakoa because of the events wayyy back in Giant size X-men 1,1975 and I thought this really could’ve been an interesting premise but without Hickman? Jordan D White is a shitshow editor bringing in unproven lame batch of novice writers,opening up the floodgates to failure by putting in novice needy activist writers who don’t do research or even give a damn about the X-men brand! 🚽Riddle me this, how does Wolverine regenerate his adamantium skeleton every time he is resurrected and that’s one of the easier questions! I don’t or ever would trust anything like Krakoa in the place! That’s about same amount of faith I would ever have in! Jordan Doofus White ! Years of confusing weak in the knees bland pointless stories that just shit on X-men and the audience! Corporate cash grab and here’s comes Tom Brevoort aka Round boy to further the shitshow dumpster fire just like he did with the Avengers year after gd year! Marvel is a joke and I highly doubt that Disney gives a good crap ! MCU and Star Wars franchise failure is a big ol cherry on top of the crap Suzette! Very unfortunate but that’s what happens when you let the bean counters run the show and bring in crappy bumpercrop hacks! X-men RIP🙏