Krakoa Burns Down X-Men Foundation, Destroys Professor X
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The X-Men Krakoa Age is over after Uncanny X-Men #700 or X-Men #35 and burns down the foundation of Marvel's mutant heroes. Taking great pleasure in destroying what was left of Charles Xavier Professor X in the process. Even after all the failure of Krakoa, Jordan White and the Legion of Doofuses still refused to admit it was terrible or even end it. Wes and Jim review Uncanny X-Men #700 and say goodbye to the worst era in the history of Marvel Comics. Krakoa burns down X-Men foundation, destroys Professor X Charles Xavier.
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The worst thing about this modern era is every franchise is the polar opposite of what it once was. Every character doesn’t act like they used to, they’ve rewritten everything & utterly destroyed it in the process, it’s just so sad what modern writers have done.
And it’s everywhere, Star Wars is unrecognisable from the original trilogy. The X-Men of today are just the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, it’s all such a mess.
Bingo.
@@lionface1364 Yahtzee!
@@lo1bo2 domino!
@@lionface1364 Uno!
And it's sad that the companies allowed this to happen to their characters & the history.
I think people missed something in Hickman’s “House of X”. In the timeline that becomes the Krakoan Era,when Charles mind reads Moira and sees her lives,it says it “Radicalized” Xavier. The Entire Krakoan Era was the antithesis of Xavier’s heroic dream. This was the dream of an Xavier that was no different than Magneto.A bunch of Bigoted,separatist,drug dealing mutants on Orgy Island.
Mind blown. I'll have to look into this the first chance I get.
This actually figures into my longstanding working (although nonserious) theory that Hickman was playing 5D chess all along. He created a narcissistic personality disordered cult leader in Charles and then handed the reigns over to a group of writers who are similarly personality disordered. Narcissists writing narcissists. Villains who in their mind are heroes. In reality and in fiction. And a society ruled by antisocial personalities is always doomed to fail. If true, it's utterly poetic.
While an excellent point, we all know that would have required the hack writers that screwed the pooch here to actually CARE about legitimately following anything Hickman introduced...
If he was radicalized all this time, wouldn't that be incomlnsistent with his behavior? If he didn't believe coexistence was possible, why even form the X-Men or fight Magneto.
@@joeparrigen4982 You realize that the only X-Men that is canon in the Krakoan Era is the Grant Morrison run. Hickman likes that run. Why else do you think Xavier was making side deals with absolute monsters like Mr Sinister? It’s literally in the book. This was not the Xavier we grew up with. He was more like Ultimate Professor X,who was just as racist as Magneto,they just disagreed on body count. That was the point,this Xavier saw that his dream hadn’t worked. Listen to him when he told humanity about the Krakoan drugs.He said,”Once upon a time,we’d have given these to you for free,but now,they have a price”. This was never 90s Xavier. HOX/POX was a low key retcon. Sorry for the book.
In the first X-Men film, Charles and Erik have a conversation after senator kelly gives his speech. At the end, Magneto says this chilling line in relation to Mutants being the "evolution" of humanity.
"We are the future, charles, not them! They no longer matter."
That is the mindset of the main villain of the film, but now its the mindset of the entire team.
It's the mindset of the progressive left, despite all their failures of late showing they truly aren't the future
So sad. Marvel managed to destroy your more profitable franchise after 60 years.
I will never understand how much Marvel seems to despise Xavier. He’s all about co existence but Magneto was always Us vs Them.
Modern writers despise the heroism concept.
Sad but true.
Because the people in charge of Marvel have the worldview where they don't wish to show their opponents the error of their ways. They want to get revenge and destroy their "evil" enemies!
Really bothers me how Prof X was turned into a heel when his vision of mutants living in peace with humankind was the guiding teachings of his school. His moral compass is what guided the X-men and allowed them to become the heroes they once were. The current state of mutants in the Marvel universe is a travesty and I can no longer relate with these characters and don't find their stories compelling in any way. The whole universe needs a reboot/retcon to return these characters (and others) to the heroes they once were.
In the comics, Professor X could be a “jerk” in every media adaptation he was a nice guy.
Now he’s a full on villain the award for character Derailment of the year is professor x
Yes in the cartoons and movies he always was the mutant Buddha while in the original comics he's a grey character able to do terrible things to solve problems. So lame.
The Big Two publishers invented superheroes. When you get down to it, it looks like they're a bit tired of the "super", and have absolutely given up on the "hero".
Anti-heroes in this point.
@@EvandroACruzWorst ... Villains!
Ridiculous. They need to clean house, find people who actually understand and like Xmen, and actually can write.
I like how they forgot about Nate Grey who is chilling in his own mutant only dimension
Or the House of M.
For me X-Men changed with the Schism storyline. I never liked the Cyclops is a terrorist leader now. Back at the time a lot of x-fans hoped the bringing the original X-Men to the current future would make the X-Men realize how far away they had moved away from the mission. But that didn't happen & it's just been downhill since.
I blame House Of M. This made the X-Men stepped back of the original dream and adopt more and more questionable methods in the point that you don't see them like super-heroes anymore.
They have them act like terrorists yet also have them moan, “Why do people hate us?! They must just be bigots!” Really, playa?
Gotta say House of M killed that dream and Marvel ruined Xavier a loooong time ago when they retconned that He made Cyclops forget his youngest brother & 2nd team😭😭
Emma influenced his moral views.
@@camila_costa12 Concordo. Emma sempre foi uma influência ruim prá ele. Sempre achei estranho ela ter virado uma X-Men.
There is no difference between good and evil to the people who are in charge of the Big Two.
Peter: I learned from the X-Men that with awesome power comes world domination.
Aunt May: Evil is good, Peter.
They desperately need a clean reboot retcon where Krakoa never happened. Instead they hire Tom Breevort and vaguely signal but don't admit they did something wrong and are changing directions. But the Fall of X tripled down and the X-Men are deeper in the Krakoa era than ever, just without the island.
The new X-line is not a reboot, it's an excuse for new number 1 issues.
‘Xavier’s really a bad guy’ is so played out at this point
Not to Hollywood.
These are the moments that I‘m glad to have given up on X-Men long ago. But damn would I love to find a book just like X-Men used to be long ago.
Closest I can tell you is the Manga: Undead Unluck Undead Unluck is about people with Abilities protecting the world even though they are considered mistakes in the world bc of their abilities! The main characters are a man who can heal from anything with a mysterious past and a young woman who's very touch can bring bad luck to those she loves❤❤
@@dekaritheprofessor2631 Interesting. I also found out that I already bought the first issues and just forgot about it … nice of you to remind me that I should actually read the books I buy 😅
@davidgantenbein9362 Ah Cool! Hey,things happen my friend and at least you bought one books lol🥰
It's fairly clear that the writers at Marvel see the mutants as an analogy for LGBT people. That is why they think Magneto's the good guy--- Magneto wants to make the mutants superior to humans (by whatever means are necessary), whereas Xavier merely wants equality between the two groups. Great video, Jim and Wes. Thanks guys!
This was a time travel story and the sad, untalented writers and editors that picked up Hickman's ball forgot that. All they had to do was go back in time, neutralize Moira's powers, and everything would have go back to normal before this whole mess started.
The biggest lost opportunity of Rises Of Powers Of X was don't use Moira death to reset the timeline. Unforgivible.
The problem with that is Krakoa X-Men was a part of too many marvel events. Retcon Krakoa would mean having to retcon those events.
Just reboot X-Men from the ground up. One series. Not three books. New stuff doesn't get me excited.
No thank you, because if it’s one title then all we get is the same bs main characters hogging the spotlight. It’s time for a reboot but not the same status quo.
Right now with the Avengers having problems with worldwide vampires with bloodhunt, and the professor in prison, the X-men could help the Avengers, but then again mutants keep getting hate, so they should sit this one out and let the Avengers fight on their own! Two things must happen to rescue the comics industry, 1. The x-men will temporarily disband, that is unlikely, or 2. They will eventually do a prison break and rescue Charles!
@@christopherbyrdakaSuperman. Mutants “getting a hate” is an over played trope. Time to get rid of that weak story line. The X-Men are Heroes. Not a Victims Shelter. Th
I agree, but these writers don't seem to look at it that way, so onw the teams are spread across the country, any marriages and ships will end by arguements that some of them just want to experience normacy, but now they can't so now their crusade continues with hate groups still going after theX-men, all chances of ships and possibly settling down can't happen, watch ships end because of this, you can't settle down and raise offspring in aworld where hate mongers pay government funds to build new sentinels to seek, find and execute you and your fellow mutants! This is unfortunate for Rogue and Gambit, there will be no more of them being together! I told people this was coming, no child can be born in this kind of world!
@@lisaroberts8556 I don’t think we need to get rid of it. I actually think they need to go back to their roots which was protecting the powerless from those who would abuse them.
I wish there were ANY “superhero” comics where they do something ANYTHING heroic.
@choostopher5018
I have such a series out right now, and have a few others in the works.
@@DemonicRemption can you provide a link?
Things could have been so simple. With her reincarnation powers they could have just killed Moira and the whole thing would end and we could get a new timeline.
This make me sick. Moira death should reset the entire timeline.
in Chris Claremont's X-Men/Alpha Flight, Loki offers humanity salvation in exchange for their imagination and creativity and the x-men and alpha flight both reject it even though it would mean mutants would become accepted. Meanwhile we have X-Men becoming terrorists here for less.
The way some writers take characters that are both powerful & benevolent and make them do terrible things says a lot about their lack of character. They can’t fathom that someone with even a little bit of power would be selfless and help others and be a genuinely nice & caring person because they wouldn’t be selfless and help others and be genuinely nice & caring people if they had even a little bit of power. I’m genuinely curious how some of these writers treat their assistants, food delivery people, etc.
IMO Marvel is run these days by radical activists who think murder or any other crime is an acceptable form of protest.
They're not a fan of Martin Luther King's nonviolence approach.
So to them Magneto was always right and not Charles.
They have been trying to destroy Professor X for years. Remember Danger?
Yes post 2000's retcons tried to sell us Xavier like a manipulative bastard since the begin. I never liked this stuff.
Remember Vulcan? Character assassination for decades plus now
Didn't Ed Brubaker start this, or was it before him?
@@joeparrigen4982 I’d say it started with Morrison. Didn’t he retcon Xavier killing Nova in the womb
@joeparrigen4982 I'd say Joss Whedon
Marvel is so broken. A complete overhaul is required.
Disney might as well sell it to Kadokawa or other Japanese publisher, and leave to the Japanese the task of writing comics and making adaptations of the same. NO AMERICAN is capable of writing good Marvel Comics stories now- at least no one Disney is WILLING TO HIRE, because they're the "wrong kind of people," i.e., straight, white, and/or male.
Absolutely, modern Marvel is a shell of what used to be.
Ignoring other books?
@@mechmaster315 ???
@@joshuay5581 other good books
The Big 2: “We’re writing superhero comics. There’s no way the fans want to see heroes doing heroic things in them. Brilliant!”
🤦♂️
And the X-Men don't are heroes for many years at this point.
@@EvandroACruzexactly. They done some villainy shite at times. They also had Capt. Marvel kill etc. and now Magneto is the “anti-(forget I killed humans and mutants alike) hero” magneto
@@ChrisP58 Who Captain Marvel killed? I don't read your books.
@@EvandroACruz “my books”… u hurt my feelings. Lolol My daughter gave her book and 15 reboots a try(hated it). I’ll read some for free digitally just to be fair, but my pull list is very very thin these days. Captain Marvel killed Iron Man in CW2
It sounds like the writers made this ending into progressive propaganda.....
💯%! 😢
Honestly if you want to read a series close to X-men, I present the Manga"Undead Unluck". Undead Unluck is about people with Abilities protecting the world even though they are considered mistakes in the world bc of their abilities! The main characters are a man who can heal from anything with a mysterious past and a young woman who's very touch can bring bad luck to those she loves❤❤
I stopped reading X-Men when they turned Charles into a pervert.
His secret, hidden, pedo feelings for Jean...
Ugh.
That story line was created by Stan Lee in issue 3.
@@positiveecho326Yea, but he only stated he had feelings for her in this edition, after that nothing happened anymore
@@camila_costa12 It came up during Onslaught during the 90's...
Since his parents worked at Los Alamos, which was given as the source of his mutation, he would have been no older than 21 while Jean was 17-18 when that was written in 1963.
They did do Xavier dirty but to be fair “Deadly genesis” back in the 2000s did that already. “Professor Xavier is a jerk!”
-Kitty Pryde
Speaking of bad Professor X storylines/revelations, I don’t know how in blazes “I’ve got an idea! Xavier has an evil twin sister that he killed in the womb, but she survived anyway because she’s actually an astral alien parasite!” was met with anything other than, “Hey, LEAVE! Get out of here!”
Deadly Genesis was also the first appearance of Gabriel Summers/Vulcan. Great villain in War of Kings
I hate these post 2000's retcon. I never liked Xavier always was a manipulative bastard since the begin. It's absurd.
They destroyed the X-Men so badly that people will be willing to accept the lame "it was all a dream" just to get it all back to where it was. Maybe have them all trapped by Krakoa being drained and it was all an induced dream until they're freed by the Avengers or something
All they are plant clones at this point. The original X-Men are dead for a long time.
Professor Xavier is ruined, he's not the same, he's like Magneto now.
Magneto: I hate humans because they imprisoned, starved, and murdered my family during World War 2!
Professor X: I hate humans because things weren’t as easy as I thought they’d be and now my feelings are hurt!
Magneto: …
Escritores modernos distorceram todo o conceito e a fibra moral do grupo. Pois para esses caras mau é algo relativo.
14:07 The only version of Nightcrawler who would do this is the one from Age of Apocalypse, who was raised from birth by Mystique, a single mom, and trained by her to be an assassin for her X-Caliber team.
In other words, Nightcrawler's entire backstory needs to be different for him to do this as well as the world he lived in.
I'm never going to be able to resell these any of these X-Titles 😫 I'm glad I stopped when I did at least (after the first x-men title reboot)
I sat down with my dearest lifelong companions, the Byrne Claremont issues, last night... Holy shit. That's all I can say. I wonder when was the last time any of the X editorial or writers sat down to reread any past X-Men comics? Seriously, I gotta wonder if they'd read them at all....
"If there were no humans, there would be no bigotry..."
WHAT DO THE WRITERS THINK THEY ARE?! GODS?! WHAT ARE THEY EXPRESSING IN THIS BOOK, BESIDES ABSOLUTE HATRED TOWARDS THEMSELVES AND THEIR OWN READERS?!
And they wonder why Americans abandoned them in favor of manga and manhwa (Korean comics).
Marvel/DC superhero readers are not the same audience as manga readers. No one is quitting Batman and Spiderman and picking up manga instead. Apples and oranges. This is a tired and awful example
@@chachi_arcola It's not apples and oranges, it's NOTHING and oranges. American comic book companies no longer publish books their readers want to read, they only publish books their NARCISSISTIC WRITERS- who replaced the superheroes with Mary Sue self-inserts that, due to the writers' lack of imagination, are merely gender, race, and sexual orientation-swapped RIPOFFS, instead of ORIGINAL CHARACTERS- want to read.
Mangas delivery us true hope to a better future. Marvel no more. Everything is miserable and cynical in the latest 2 decades.
“If there were no humans, there would be no bigotry!” sounds alarmingly like the “If there were no [members of certain group] there would be no [bad thing]!” claims that hate groups make to justify committing horrible crimes against innocent people. The Chapter Black arc of Yu Yu Hakusho also had characters feeling that humans were evil and should be eliminated, but this was shown to be a wrong mindset. The takeaway was “Humans are capable of doing heinous things, but they are also capable of being noble, selfless, and kind.” Instead of trying to justify a belief that all humans were evil, they exposed how wrong it was to say a group was entirely evil just because of what some of them had done.
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra Yes but Quimera Ants arc Togashi give us a more cynical message. Humankind are worse than the Ants.
is it just me or does marvel secretly despise their past
They sure seem determined to act like it never existed.
Modern Marvel despise heroism. This is your greatest sin.
@@EvandroACruz you mean marvel's greatest sin
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra at least dc was willing to reprint old vertigo comics for their pride speacial
and their fans.
Being in the bald minority couldn't save Xavier.
For my $10 I'd rather go to Home Depot and buy an actual bag of manure. At least I can use that one in my garden.
Why they always kill Professor X? Always the same.....
From the perspective of an outsider looking in (who had given up on the X-Men decades ago) this whole thing looked like a character-breaking, and even franchise-breaking bad idea from the very beginning. And I put the blame entirely on Hickman. Even if the execution had been good, the concept was so wrong that the only way it could have ended was with the magic-reset-button ret-conning the whole story out of existence.
Hickman gets off way too lightly.
Somehow I am completely not surprised that they made the villain a good guy and the good guy a villain.
13:43 The beauty? It's time to give up your Thanos costume, Apocalypse. Go back to the wacky inflatable tube arms.
It’s really disheartening that there are people who really do say that they want to continue the Krakoa era of X-Men. Literally all of their favorite heroes return into mutants supremacist and all of humanity into some cardboard cut out evil species. These were the worst X-Men. I was really hoping for that these were some mutant plant creatures that replaced them, but no it’s really them. Apocalypse thrashing them was the best part
2:40 I haven't watched it myself, but this is the meme I keep seeing come out of the revival of X-Men 97. "Magneto was right!"
I had assumed it was a joke, but... Maybe not.
Wow. I completely stopped reading at the 'You have new gods now.' bit. Surprised it made it this far.
I hated that line.
Same. After Magneto said that in HOX I thought, “well I’m done.” I checked up on what was happening a couple times but it was more of the same. I kept getting reminded why I don’t like the X men.
The ending was one of most random things that I've see. Krakoa just merged with your WHR counterpart and leaved the earth dimension,giving your middle finger to the mutants and bye bye. How lame can this be? All the mutants should move away with Krakoa to the White Hot Room and leave the Earth forever. The dream is dead now.And Xavier and Magneto shifting your roles was the final nail of all the characters assassinations over in this entire Era. Why modern writers hate Professor X so much and glorifies Magneto like a hero in latest years? It's so sad to see how modern writers don't like of the heroism concept anymore. How low Marvel can fall yet? Krakoa Era was the biggest example in how ruin a classical franchise for pure shit reasons. Who here are excited for From The Ashes after al that weak previews? Marvel is too stubborn and too arrogant to admit that they ruined the soul of the book and will make all these corrupted characters play the "heroes" again after all the bloodbath of the past months.
This is the end of line to me. I never will read a single new X-Men book again while Krakoa don't be erased of the main 616 canon. No more heroic X-Men to me.
Everyone is trying to a be Alan Moore or Warren Ellis but lack the talent.
@@joeparrigen4982 The fact is there's no heroism left in the X-Men anymore.
The reason they didn't leave with Krakoa was to protect the next generation of mutants born on earth.
@@jamesburdo1058 This makes no sense. The dream is dead,they don't are heroes anymore. This is just a dumb excuse and nothing more.
@@EvandroACruz Mutants will continue to be born on earth. Even if you don't think the X-men are heroes, they'd still want to protect them. You can argue they should immediately move them to Mars, but they still have to be there.
How much you wanna bet the new direction is going to go hand in hand with what Disney is planning for the MCU? They're going to "pay homage" to the past lore of the xmen with little Easter eggs here and there, and put their own twist on the Mutants. Gonna be cringe!
X-men book are all the worst traits of the progressive movement.
These vandals poisoned the entire concept with your personal modern worldview. X-Men were ruined to me.
Is what they did modern, though? I’ve heard that back in the 1960s there were communes formed by people who said, “We’re going to drop out of society and form our own society where no one can tell us what to do!” These generally fell apart when people realized, “Man, this is hard!” Then in the 1980s and ‘90s there were various doomsday cults and survivalist groups who holed up in their compounds. Those failed too, often after something tragic happened. What the Krakoan era mutants were doing wasn’t new, but rather something that had been tried repeatedly in the real world and often failed.
Mic drop. You nailed it
@@karaoconnoraliasraidra
The Krakoa era of X-Men is inspired by the mutant island that was eventually destroyed in the classic science fiction novel, "ODD JOHN," written by Olaf Stapledon in the early 1930's.
In fact, the concept of the Uncanny X-Men owes a lot to ODD JOHN and similar science fiction novels back on the 1930's, 1940's, and 1950's.
@@LucLightWolf121 Well, I learned something today!
Wasn’t crazy about Krokoa..especially the not staying dead thing
I liked that part. But I knew it was going to be temporary. I didn't think they would stretch the story out THIS long.
I'm increasingly warming up to the idea that current day Marvel comics stories don't count as cannon
Ironically I think the best thing to do would be to blame Hickman's Secret Wars. That's where he ruined the multiverse.
Sad that his X-Men run was the only Marvel thing I've liked since...but the later writers ruined the Krakoa stuff.
God the lettering looks awful too and that’s not even something I generally lock in on.
They never should have greenlit Hickman's idea in the first place. No in the main 616 continuity. He wasn't writing a new book, but taking on established characters and setting, he and editors had a duty to be faithful to who the X-Men were.
They should let him write his story in a non-canon, alternate universe where it wouldn't affect the actual characters.
The X-Men were destroyed the minute Krakoa happened. Everything else was just the desecration of a corpse already dead.
Free Comic book X-Men lost my hope for the next era, Jubilee exploding a car, because they were Bullies, yeah that totally stops them from hating Mutants🙄
I'll read some of from the Ashes but I don't think any of it is going to change. Mutants are still stupid supervillains.
Gerry Duggan's Nightcrawler would absolutely tear out eyeballs, because Duggan never wrote X-Men, he was writing rejected Buffy the Vampire Slayer scripts. This is the man who turned a gentle deer mutant (Nature Girl) into a psychotic murderer Furiosa wannabe over a plastic bag. This entire expensive issue was an embarrassment. And the messaging that mutants can only thrive in the absence of humans is stupid. We literally see Krakoa crumble from within due to mostly mutants. Glad this travesty is over, but not excited for the future with the wet popcorn creative teams in From the Ashes.
He turned Kitty in a cold blooded murderer too. I hate Duggan.
Duggan managed to make an X-Men team with characters like Nightcrawler and Kitty Pryde more bloodthirsty than the Dark X-Men from last year, which specifically had sociopathic villains like Emplate, Madelyne Pryor, Zero and Azazel in its ranks...
You know you messed up somewhere when Nightcrawler ends up being more violent in the ways he killed and harmed whoever he faced off against than Azazel, of all people.
@@spinningtornado4543 Yes, Nightcrawler was supposed to be the moral heart of the team. He has been character assassinated first by Simple Simon (Spurrier), who took away his religion and then by Gerry Duggan who has turned him into a violent demon.
@@spinningtornado4543 The preview of Exceptional X-Men showed Kitty like a barista serving drinks and looking happy. No way Kitty would be ok with every thing that she done in Fall of X. They ruined her like a character.
I for one am shocked that the writers at Marvel sided with the guy who says you can do whatever you want if you believe you’re right.
That's because they see themselves as Magneto.
'Ends justify the means' is a murky road to go down.
Genosha burned but krakoa survives why
Lazy writing.
TEN F'N BUCKS FOR ONE F'N ISSUE?!!!!
They priced it as much as Mystique and Destiny's wedding special issue that didn't even have a wedding in it.
They really did it all so weirdly. If they had done Krakoa similar to Genosha as a mutant home without All of the extra added mess it would’ve been better. Have a political tension be there without painting Charles and the X-Men as this weird xenophobic group. They invited every single mutant regardless of morality, but then didn’t want the human loved ones are specific mutants even step foot on the island . There were also too many books that were going on and not really pushing a good story
Like i've said in all of MR. WES's discussions on the KRAKOAN AGE, once HICKMAN was gone, there was no KRAKOAN AGE, just idiots who would have used anything to get their silly agenda obsessions out into the public eye, be it X-MEN or random superhero title. What we should see under any Non-Hickman Krakoa material is the subtitle, WHAT A WASTE.
Was really excited when it all kicked off - and currently rereading HOUSE OF X reminds me how excited i was back then. But - besides HICKMAN leaving - the KRAKOAN AGE titles devolved into a technicolor mess of random mini-series after random mini-series, articles about characters' sexualities, and galas. And interesting storylines that went nowhere, replaced with nonsense like mutant girls murdering store owners because of trash bags and Wolverine surfing on Adamantium surfboards.
I will continue to point out that the Krakoan Age really went nowhere. There was no Age, just random minis that were similar to JESSICA GAO: ATTORNEY AT LAW aka the MCU SHE-HULK show, self-insert fanfictions from narcissistic personalities that cared nothing about HICKMAN's high concept ideas in particular or X-MEN/MARVEL canon in general.
And i thought BENDIS was bad...
This is the same nonsense that they did when they did deadly Genesis and the same nonsense of after avengers versus X-Men where they had Cyclops fully commit to Magneto side and the same thing with 97 where Magneto was right I'm so sick of them doing this nonsense with the heroes where oh the villain was right all along and not the hero and the hero falls so hard that they become the villain and the villain becomes the good God it's so stupid. I'm so glad the Krokoa era is over. I mean all of this just dumb and then they wonder why people are walking away from the comics.
Feel the same way
I agree but I disagree with your assessment of X-Men 97. In ‘97 they had Prof. X come in and save the day from Magneto. ‘97’s point seemed to be that although both men’s p.o.v.s are flawed, in the end Magneto’s way will eventually lead to the destruction of everyone.
The Krakoa era just seemed icky, for lack of a better word. There’s something really gross about characters like Rogue, Gambit, and Nightcrawler giving gifts and “breaking bread” with people, Mystique and Destiny, who routinely abused them. Just because Nightcrawler forgave Mystique doesn’t mean he’s going to buy her monogrammed towels and dance at her wedding. That’s not something forgiveness requires. It’s just wrong.
@@positiveecho326 Well no I'm talking about the fact that everybody sentiments is Magneto is right regardless of situation The fact that there was a division with the X-Men even when Professor Xavier return showed that the writers and the audience was on the side of Magneto because the writers wrote it like that That's what I mean So no Professor Xavier really didn't save the day necessarily They wrote it to where Professor Xavier was forced to do something that he normally wouldn't have done Yes it's on the basics of a story but other than that the whole show was trying to say Magneto was right about everything That's the problem and that's what West is talking about is like they're always trying to make the villains notion and their ideas more important than Professor Xavier cuz remember look the audience the world was already turned against Professor Xavier when they released video from the CR notion and their ideas more important than Professor Xavier cuz remember look the audience the world was already turned against Professor Xavier when they released video from the Shi'ar Empire They will literally trying to make Professor Xavier in the X-Men bad people while trying to say Magneto was correct
You know what’s funny x-men 97 did professor x ten times better than this comic ever did in my opinion.
Not really cuz they still sided with Magneto in X-Men 97 for the most part everybody agreed with Magneto that's the problem 97 and this Jonathan Hickman Krokoa era said that Magneto was right over Professor Xavier
@@treymykelwhich should never be the case
But Xmen 97 is adapting the best of the Xmen stories where Professor X is not a manipulative jerk.
@@treymykelit’s still better than krakoa X-men
@@AL-ws5yi indeed and you're right about that
So this is the only X-Men comic I have read since I stepped away from retailing at end of 2021. I have kept track of the Krakoan stuff here and through other outlets. I have to say reading this it's like you get 3 different Charles Xaviers with the 3 stories featuring Prof X. None of them give a clear idea what Prof X is trying to prove or state. At the end of reading them all I come away with is, yeah Chuck you got it VERY WRONG here and nobody should be trusting you for a very long time. Least of all any of the X-Men. I mean you should at least write an ending that gives some hope to Prof. X becoming what he once was, and the reason for creating the X-Men with the purpose of defending a world that STILL hates and/or fears them. Plus alot of this dialogue is damn confusing with what the hell they are trying to tell about the future of Krakoa and mutants...and I hate that. If you can't write something clearing enough so the most base reader can understand it then you aren't doing your job. It doesn't come across and mysterious and intriguing but off putting and a drain on my time and attention. Yes Apocalypse being pulled back to what once was in the story is the best part. And yes Claremont's story is absolute garbage. I have read this type of story a million times and re-affirming this non-sense with Mystique and Destiny as Nightcrawlers parents is just dumb. And again it's all Prof. X's fault for why nobody remembered this that or the other thing about it...which now is tired tired tired. I like the usage in X-Men Deadly Genesis, but at this point any more Prof. X mindwipes are lazy writing and just completely destructive to the character having any integrity about violating someone's mind. The way this ends definitely Krakoa from being used again any time soon. Which is a good thing, as I now believe the worse thing that happened to X-Men is Hickman being allowed to ever begin this story, cause look where it lead us. WTF20.
Having Mystique and Destiny be the ones not getting blamed for the mindwipe they specifically asked from Xavier, the mindwipe that apparently made them care so little about Nightcrawler they canonically let him die in 616, AoA, DoFP, the What-If where he was raised from birth by Mystique, ... Is peak fanfiction moment.
@@spinningtornado4543 Point. Fan fiction has its place, but not in the professional world of fictional storytelling. Simply because you are only satisfying yourself with the story. Nor are you doing write by the characters and audience.
This feels so wrong, X men needs a reboot
I'll be taking a looong break from the X-Men universe. Save some money!
Good for you. I won't touch in a new single X-Men books again after this awful Era. I just don't see any them like heroes anymore.
Moira MacTaggert was right “mutants always lose” but that’s fine with me cause I’m not a fan of X-men or mutants
What make you hate the X-Men? The hypocrisy?
@@EvandroACruznever liked em
@@warrenweaver6664 You don't see them like true heroes like Spider-man or the Avengers?
This comic sounds stunning and brave. Glad I didn't read it.
Sounds like Secret Empire all over again
I'm someone who loves me some "bad endings". I don't want to get into spoilers, but I love 80's era Tomino stuff, the creator of Gundam, specifically because he has a tendency to end the shows horribly for the cast. It got to the point where he earned the nickname "Kill 'em all Tomino" for awhile.
But those people in most cases still died HEROICALLY. The pilots of Zambot 3 that didn't make it went out like champions. They didn't get thrown off a roof for a precrime they didn't even yet commit. I imagine if the writers watched Zambot 3 they'd start arguing how the main bad guy actually isn't all that bad, and he had a good reason for turning kids into bombs. Meanwhile he's named BUTCHER THE KILLER.
I can see a future writer having the x-men come back to this kafka place and and it turns into a war torn dystopia where the people aren't divided based on race on race and instead based on religion where those religion are the apocalypse cult, the exodus brotherhood, and the askani
Marvel needs a Crisis event to do a hard reset of their entire universe. It can't be saved at this point.
Yes MU 616 is doomed at this point.
@@EvandroACruz Hickman already did it...with Secret Wars. Which is ironic to me because I loved Hickman's X-Men but despised his Secret Wars.
Wouldn't work. Too big a project for people who don't want to learn the basics of superhero storytelling, who don't want to stick to the things that made the characters popular to begin with, and who don't have any respect for the readers who spend their hard-earned money on comic books.
Sad times. Just got into comics, I was collecting Batman and Superman family comics and after the whole “John Kent” stuff I ditched DC cause it was all crap. So I went to Marvel and Pre-ordered the new X-men stuff and grabbed the Spider-man family stuff…right now the only thing that I enjoy and am excited for are the Indies and Kickstarter stuff. It’s sad that the Big two are just highly politicized BS that falls flat on its face month after month.
Cough propaganda cough cough… translation: once again, heroism is for “goody two-shoes, is too hard, we can’t do it so it’s a bad concept.”
DC did a unalive thing in Wonder Woman recently.
The thing about the modern day version of comics is deconstructed
Searching through a box of old childhood documents from the early 1990s, I found a copy of Excalibur #72. Written by Richard Ashford and penciled by Ken Lahey. It's a Moira issue, funny enough. She's showing off 'the Proteus Room' on Muir Island to Nightcrawler, Rachel Summers Phoenix and Kitty Pryde. It's the only issue of Excalibur I've ever had.
Nothing important. Just a look at the good ol' days, and what ought to have been again. Moira namedrops Stryfe; she hasn't found a cure to the Legacy Virus, yet, but she's trying...
Which gives me an idea of what to do with that Krakoa pocket dimension. And Mars. From orbit.
When writers choose their ideals and politics over what superheroes comics were. Writers want to be remembered by what they accomplished. Whether how some people want it or not. Let the next writers do what he wants since the editors either agree or are powerless to do changes. Comics regretfully just do 180 degree changes in storylines with no recupcussions since no higher ups do nothing. Until Marvel reigns in their writers, to me, this is will the norm.Just my opinion. Sorry, English not my primary language.
I bought the Marvel Masterworks original X-Men series volumes 1, 2 and 3. I want to read where it all started and I hope this series of books continues cause I want to read X-Men. When it was good. Not whatever this new crap is. I sampled it but . . .
Read Warren Ellis astonishing x men run
Wow 😮
Sad 😢
The writers are pulling from a creative well as deep as a puddle on a paper plate.
Care Bear stare! 🤣🤣🤣
I hate to say this, but none of this nonsense surprises me.
The fact is that the writers of the X-Men titles that feature Professor X hate Professor X. They can't relate to Professor X. He represents "white privilege" and a condescending and patronizing nature. They have to make him out to be a monster.
I see Charles Xavier in a more simple and grounded level: He is a man who as child (by 16) had lost both of his parents tragically. He was under the supervision of a stepfather who wanted to make Charles his own son instead of the son he already had. That is the biggest issue between Cain Marko and Charles Xavier. Kurt Marko genuinely loved and cared more about young Charles than Cain. Charles deep down wanted to find his own family. And he did so with his X-Men. They are his kids, for better or worse. However, there is a twisted dark side to Charles Xavier going back to Uncanny X-Men #3, that wasn’t right back in 1963, and it's not right now.
Writers saw that as ammunition to go in on Professor X. And now he's a bonafide villain.
Modern writers don't like of heroism concept. They don't believe in true pure and noble characters. So they twist all them.
It seems to be this new trend to destroy any characters that we loved when we were young. X-Men, Picard, Indianna Jones, Luke Skywalker. It goes on and on.
Ok I’m putting my crazy theory out there. Next year’s event will be about finding and killing Moira, causing the whole Marvel universe to reboot.
I have the 700th issue and I’m not gonna read it. I’m just disappointed in marvel because they know the current direction is wrong but they don’t wanna change their ways.
14:56 What happened to Jean Grey's hips?!? Where did they go?!?
I have hated every X-comic since the late-2000s. Prof. X is evil and dies? Cyclops is evil and cheats on his wife? Screw that garbage. The 2010s killed them as a property and the Krakoan Age from "go" was the nail in the coffin.
And some people love that Cyclops cheated on Jean with Emma.
Progressives hate hotness
Yes, the true X-Men ended in the early 2000's.
Leinil Francis Yu and jerome opena interiors were the only good parts of this. Jerome's art style seems to have changed but its still really good. Also is phil noto supposed to be a good artist? Why do they keep pushing him?
never thought i would ever say i was rooting for sentinels,but here we are
Al Ewing is one of the most overrated writers in comics. The amount of continuity errors in his Thor run are rapidly approaching Krakoan and Avengers BC levels.
11:54 It's like Chris Claremont wrote that story and willingly chose not to read anything that came before or after Si Spurrier's retcon... Which had Nightcrawler be completely and genuinely forgiving and loving towards Mystique and Destiny who, in the same year the retcon came out, abandoned him to die slowly and painfully in the Sins of Sinister timeline while they enjoyed their lives together.
Claremont also referencing the first X-Men story Mystique and Destiny had in DoFP when Nightcrawler dies not long after Kelly's assassination because of these two who did nothing to prevent that death in that future or his other one in 616 (which is still canon) is the moment where you can tell the editor was on a lunch break and Chris really wanted that paycheck.
I dislike Claremont story in this issue because I felt that Claremont seem very happy that Raven and Irene being Kurt true parents is canon now.
@@EvandroACruz That parentage makes zero sense : He was the one to set the power limit for Mystique's shapeshifting as being on a cosmetics only level, stated she was a woman in her base form, had her willing to kill Nightcrawler to get Rogue back after she went to the X-Men for help with her powers, revealed 44 years ago that Nightcrawler was found next to the body of his biological mother, had Nightcrawler go on with his life without caring much about his parentage, ...
He wrote an expensive fanfiction. That's what he did.
@@spinningtornado4543 Yes,he ignored what he even wrote many years ago.
@@EvandroACruz This is also the second time Claremont added a layer of fetish onto Nightcrawler's character because he just felt like it.
He was behind the sister kink Nightcrawler had with his adoptive sister and now it's futanari with his parents.
Claremont is refuting Spurrier's and Gillen's take, saying that Nightcrawler would need time to trust them. Mystique and Destiny certainly didn't plan for Sentinels killing mutants and probably were killed themselves. (Claremont retconned Nightcrawler's death in a recent DoFP special.) Nighcrawler wouldn't know the details about Sins of Sinister.
why are the artists sooo good but the writers are sooo bad? are those jobs a different difficulty?
Artists don't get a job if they aren't talented.
Just read it, what was all that rubbish with the guy with horns from the future (or whatever it was) going on and on about how perfect this weird island is now... blah blah blah. Honestly, i wish 90s Wolverine would appear and say "ah shuttup you geek! Come back to the real world, fight some bad guys and have a beer!"
"As if Krakoa never exists." Page 63 of this disappointing comic, which closes a disappointing era. I wish it had been another way.
Jean and Emma are basically drawn like female heads attached to male bodies
Kafka was a child last time we seen him ..but durring a monaloge they show a small child and the caption indicates some mutants are going home to see thier families..the small child is at a door step and a woman is reaching out to embrace him ... but how is there a child going home to family? If he was born In krakoa then how does he have a mom at the house ..and if he was a baby when krakoa went to the white hot room he wouldn't be a child any more ..then how did krakoa from the white hot room teleport in... then why leave? They popped in just to say hi? Why didn't they do that for the last 15 years? Its almost as if they think of something they think is cool then do it but never think of the how or why...or motives ...they just do it ..just becasuse.xmen has become bad fan fiction ..its so sad
RIP the comicstorian
Has he thrown the towel or something ?
@@spinningtornado4543 he passed away
@@Kevin.kevin_kevin Oh, my condolences to his friends and family.
It's been forever since I've checked out his and his team's channel so I thought you meant it as a farewell to the channel itself.
It doesn’t bother me that Marvel has effectively destroyed the X-Men franchise far beyond repair. However, the fact that it doesn’t bother me does bother me just a little bit.
Uncanny X-Men was the book that first pulled me into comic book collecting and that book (along with X-Factor) is the reason I love superhero comics. However, Marvel has destroyed those characters so badly in recent years (even before the Krakoa Era), that I don’t even view them as real characters anymore. They just feel like soulless corporate mascots, which is why nothing matters anymore with the X-books.
How would you fix X-men?
You can't fix the X-Men. Cyclops, Phoenix and Wolverine in a polyamorous, sexually fluid relationship. Iceman turned into a flamboyantly gay man stereotype. Rachel Summers and Betsy Braddock now being lesbian lovers. No, there is no coming back from any of that. There is no fixing the X-Men.
@@incubustimelord5947 how about a reboot?
@@themultiversalmagpie7827 No, Marvel Comics made their bed. Now they have to lie on it. The only way that a reboot could even be possible is if everything that has happened in the "mainstream" Marvel Universe (Earth-616) for the last 29 years never happened. Go back to 1995 and start with the Age Of Apocalypse never happening and see where things go from there. If not, then forget it. Marvel Comics is dead.
Just a complete reboot of Krakoa Age can fix the franchise at this point. Because all these characters were ruined beyond any repair at this point.
@@themultiversalmagpie7827 no point in rebooting if you are stuck with the same shitty authors and editors
“the worst era in the history of Marvel Comics” other bad era called saying you ignored them
Written by Duggan? Trying to catch up for From The Ashes, but it was . slog from X of Swords to Hickman's new Inferno, and it's just getting worse. Why do we torture ourselves?
From the jump, since Xavier blackmailed everyone with the miracle medicine, I knew that the xmen were no longer heroes. I kept waiting for a twist, like there was a bigger sceme, or they had been replaced by evil clones, but no. Hickman and others just turned the xmen into selfish narcissists, and no longer heroes.
Awesome work guys