A talk about different blade shapes of swords and their effectiveness
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2016
- This is about some of the basics of why blades are shaped in different ways, and some remarks about the cutting performance of particular blade profiles and cross-sections. And also my opinion on the infamous curved vs straight blade debate.
The swords shown in this video:
The Gaddhjalt by Albion (straight medieval arming sword)
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Scimitar / shamshir by Windlass Steelcrafts (Persian saber)
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Pappenheimer rapier (blunt, for practice) by Darkwood Armory
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The Berserkr by Albion (single-edged Viking sword)
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Ewart Park sword by Neil Burridge (Bronze Age leaf-blade sword)
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Kumar Kobra from Himalayan Imports (long khukuri)
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The Duellist by Dynasty Forge (thrusting oriented medieval longsword)
The Town Guard by Arms & Armor (Renaissance sidesword, aka cut & thrust sword)
The special guest: / @lindybeige
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"If you hit someone with a sharp iron bar hard enough, it does him in, that's what we know"
- Lloyd, The Wise
But what about the raspberry fiend!?!?
“But if you throw a pommel at them, you end them rightly.” -Skall, The Conqueror
But what about dragons?
Anti-Hero Meng John Lee oi, fuck off
The kid who has the power of god and anime on his side: am i a joke to you?
Fans: "What is a better blade shape? Curved?...Or straight?..."
Skall: The Pommel blade.
MarkGhost Productions The God-forbidden weapon!
Pommel Nuke..... ftfy
Wouldn't that be a mace then?
@@themanwiththebabyhands4650 what is a mace if not a large pummel
Best blade for ending someone rightly
You've seen those warriors from Hammerfell? They got curved swords. CURVED swords.
M's Game Lounge finally. I was just scrolling down through comments to find this
You've seen those warriors from skyrim? They got straight swords, STRAIGHT swords
I came looking for this comment :D
and they wear turbans too
@Eve gay
Was listening to this in the bath to relax. Yes, listening to Skal talking about blades is relaxing.
Suddenly, a wild Lindybeige. My jimmies got seriously rustled but as it went on I realised the true genius of this video. Well played.
I don't know who that person was, and he scared the shit out of me.
10/10.
Lindybeige.
I shit myself too
Lindybeige
Same
@@oftheforest6572 aren't you the guy that jumped out of the plane with lots of money, never to be seen again
"Lindybeige invaded your world"
xD
I think he'd be a mad phantom
Ehhh, maybe using the white sign, but having watch some of Lloyd's videos, I'd say he'd be more partial to being a Blue Sentinel, maybe Farron Watchdog...
You won the internet today.
it'd be less of a jumpscare if we got that warning first
A curved blade saves energy and momentum when you get blocked by a shield it slides on it and you can keep attacking, great when mounted.
Lindy Beige jump scared me.
Q_Q
my heart almost jumped out of my chest when it happened. Thankfully a familiar voice made it stay inside.
That sounds gay? Butt fun, really?
Red Dragon fnaf 10
If curved edge is better, i'll roam the battle fields holding a trusty giant pizza slicer.
Bloodborne
LOL
EETS DA WEERLEEGEEG
infinite edge length.
yeah the feared pizza slicer. its an amazing weapon but it comes up short compared to the terrible battlespoon
Hahaha Lindy pulled his script directly from the YT comments it seems.
yup
+Gilgwath i think thats the joke
"Just hit the guy." nothing wrong with that plan I suppose xD
Hit it till it dies!
stick them with the pointy end
OH! The pointy end . That could explain a few things,
That's the essence of it
same
Repeat as necessary.
+David Wiita uncharted 4
I was listening to this as I drew and started laughing when Lindybeige showed up and started ranting, heh.
+Fuck Google+ Did you watch the video? The guy who shows up near the end is Lindybeige, who has his own historical/weapons RUclips channel.
+Fuck Google+ You'll have to form your own opinion. I like them both but tastes vary.
Skalls reaction was exactly as I envisioned lol
IT JUST HAPPENED THE EXACT SAME THING. I was drawing and suddently hear lindybeige (whos channel i also love) and i laughed confused but happy to see him
Just lift something solid and effing do 'em in with it 🤣🤣🤣
#bladeshapesmatter
The ending really made me laugh, good job on that one Skall
do you plan on doing ( i know this'll sound dumb) pommel shapes? like which one is best?
[insert joke about "blade shapes matter" and cruelty here]
#endthemrightly
Obviously it cuts better
I love that Skall and Lloyd are collaborating.
Lloyd was ended rightly.
you see Skall getting blasted with the retro ray gun on Lloyd's channel?
Zealot Feathers Yup.
Oooh, which video was that? I'm catching up after a break from YT.
+Tairneanach video name is called black salami
Skallagrim Ends his Opponent rightly!
It was SUPER EFFECTIVE!
6:04 scared the shit out of me.
Thomas Covington I was dozing at that point, was promptly/rudely awakened 😂
Thomas Covington me to haha
Lindy showed up like whatt
Haha I didn't see Linderberg coming! The two sword channels I watch! lol!
Cameo FTW!
I actually jumped, it having startled the absolute daylights from me.
Ben Monroe watch lindybeige's salt episode
Apparently no blade cuts better than a pommel, since that just split the atom
Lol.
Nuclear-Pommel
- causing a nuclear explosion
Nuclear pommel detected!
TO THE SHELTER~!!!
Fucking jumped so hard.
ikr
Yah scared the living hell out of me.
When Lindy first appeared.
Made me jump as well
i did alittle to
I love how Lloyd sounds a lot like my dad! XD
"A sword's a sword. Even rolled up newspapers can kill!"
Another thing that comes to mind for me: a curved sword stays parallel to the surface you're cutting more naturally with a swinging motion. Swinging rather than pulling horizontally to get maximum cutting potential.
Sudden Lindybeige is sudden.
And dead.
He seems like a complete tool.
ding
that jumpscared me tbh ....
This was trippy as hell...
"That helps with penetration" *raises eyebrow*
Z7Games 69 likes. :)
What is this, a Matt Easton video?
*Law and Order, Special Victims Unit*
never thought Lloyd would scare me...
As long as you end them rightly, the sharpness of the sword does not matter.
So at the end of the day, the katana is a rubbish weapon.
Because it does not have a pommel.
Yes
i have katana made out of unicorn penis.
it has THREE pommels and it is so badass that it tries to end itself rightly every fuckin day.
also it keeps singing "sweet fish are made of bleach"
but lets not talk about this right now
As the European swords are rubbish because they can't do a draw-cut. Simply put, it does not follow/non-sequitur
But what kind of idiot goes into battle with their sword in the scabbard?
That's a good joke hahaha.
Nuclear pommels. Not sure if those were historically accurate.
This is actually toned down by quite a bit.
Nuclear pommel grenades!
LINDYBEIGE!
Outro music plays
Regarding one of your most recent videos where you asked what kind of content we as an audience want: I commented there by saying I'm into informative videos and this is a prime example, as I've watched twice already and this is my third view. Keep up the good work! You, Shad and Matt have taught me a whole lot and I'm ever grateful.
I identify as a polygonal squarebeing, and i found this offensive
#shapeshaming
Go back to Minecraft where you belong!
So, Lara Croft from the PS1 Tomb Raider games, then?
i identify as a waffle with syrup and would like to say hello
and bow down the your new tasty master
I identify as a peanut
"JUST HIT THE GUY" 10/10 best advice ever
Typical reenacter is Lloyd.
I remember hearing 'longswords' were dull to break bones and such. I imagine it was complete bullshit though.
Also, isn't it Spandau Plonker now not Katana Plonker?
Yep, it's indeed BS. ruclips.net/video/nKrUCjkPzFo/видео.html
Well, if there is so little reason for curvature, why is the katana curved?
I have an idea, maybe it's so bc of the society in which it is made. And I have feeling it is made for the quick draw. From sheath to flesh in the quickest way possible, all else taken into consideration, length and so on. From sheath to a meaningful blow, the most efficient way possible. I have a feeling that trying to do this with a European hand and a half sword would be clumsy. And after all, weapons are made to fit strategy in the optimal, weapon design, therefore, reveals much about a society as does that society when it's at war.
+Damian Sellus the curve in a samurai sword is a result of differential tempering not something they (Japanese sword Smith's ) did on purpose and just went with it.
BloodStrikeXIII I remember hearing that before now, what was the reason for doing this though?
If a japanese lord wanted a straight sword, they would get one.
This just became one of my favorite videos ever. I'm lying on the couch, kicking my feet and giggling with glee (neither of which are typical for me). Thank you, gentlemen; I really needed that this morning.
How many of you guys/gals knew that the special guest was Lindybiege?
*Lindybeige*
I knew it was beige..but lindy hop with beige clothes..seriously..how likely are you going to be lindy hopped with a beiged person ?!
I think most people subscribed to skall are also subscribed to lindybiege. They talk about two different parts of the same thing.
I did, I suspected he would turn up at some point considering Skall made an appearance on one of his videos a few days ago.
Actually Lindy and Skall are two of the earliest channels that I've subscribed to.
I like to think Loyd just sent a rant clip over
Of course he did. How would I have the greenscreen footage of him otherwise?
I was more getting at instead of doing a cool greenscreen conversation, he just ranted
Well, it's difficult to do it any other way. We would have had to script every single word and then time our dialogue perfectly.
Very true, especially with an ocean in the way
Wait, its greenscreen?
The angle of a strait sword changes when slicing through something, as you pull through the swing the angle becomes more flat on, but with a curved blade, the curve on it means the angle it is cutting at remains more constant through a swing.
They’re for different styles of fighting, Arabs wore light armour and liked quick combat, the light curved sword was more useful in this style while the other one seems to be designed to beat armoured individuals in a slow combat
lmao implying a straight sword would do anything to armor.
@@myonionsmatter7843 its heavier and sturdier.
@@xondeez757 yeah no, still no.
curved blades arent lighter lol
@@Dautar748 those he showed are. much lighter than european swords
A couple points about curved swords. The "small point of contact" doesn't really work because the edge isn't cutting a thin film, it's going through a 3d object, so the edge is going to be in contact for the full width of the target all the way through. For heavily curved swords, the edge trails behind the hand. This makes cutting easier for two reasons. The first is that the angle of the edge turns even a basic chop into a drawing slice. The second is that because the edge is pulled rather than pushed through, it will naturally fall into correct alignment with the motion of the hand, so edge alignment is less of an issue. These things don't really have an effect on slightly curved swords like katakanas and some sabres though. There is one last feature of curved swords which is quite interesting. If in a fight your opponent throws an countercut at your flat and you have a straight blade it will very effectively open you to attack. If however your blade is curved, then turning your edge in towards their countercut will allow their sword to roll off your tip, and you can very quickly and naturally flick it upwards to effect a cut on them behind their blade.
That move sounds pretty neat and I can kind of picture it. It would flick of the back of the blade; following up the curve?
kinda... it still makes a difference, it does have less resistance, not perceptible enough for the entire internet to freak out but it does help in both "chopping" and cutting/slashing moves
try cutting a tomato with a butchers cleaver, then try with a regular curved chefs knife.
The difference between the two isn't the curve of the blade, it's the thickness and edge geometry. Cleavers need a more obtuse angle because of the heavy chopping they're required to do. That said, I can shave with my cleaver, slicing tomatoes is no problem at all, so there's also how sharp you choose to keep your shit.
No. Go find a straight blade of exactly the same thickness and edge geometry as a chefs knife. Place it on top of a tomato, and push. Unless it's exceptionally sharp. Youre going to squish the insides before the skin breaks. Do the same thing with the curved part of a chefs knife and it will slice effortlessly. Smaller contact area means more force per area. Thats the while point of a blade in the first place.
Seriously, that cameo with Lloyd was absolutely fantastic!! I loved it.
Skall cameo'd on lindy's channel the other day it was great too
Slevin Kelevra Which video?
Matthew Brown It was his video on Salt. Think it was 2 or 3 videos ago
That interruption scared me and jolted me awake
What does "end him rightly?" mean? I'm new to all this.
Just type "end him rightly" into the search on my channel page, if you dare... Be warned, it's a silly place. :)
+Skallagrim Yea I literally just got finished watching it. Nice video but it's givin me alot of pranking material.
XD
It's the only real meme of this channel tbh
it's the ancient version of a intercontinental thermonuclear warhead
who the hell is he greenscreen guy???
ruclips.net/user/lindybeige
Chuck Norris
He scared the crap out of me :o
lindybeige
Lindybeige!
Well, that bit at the end was incredibly pointless...
you're right, it was a pommel.
^
ist cod end ist rightly viv tripple bitten bren gun fireing salt boolets
Badumtss.
Historical weapons channels must have at least 10% of their videos be pointless. It's mandated by interplanetary law.
the video has kinda left me confused about which weapon to use to fend off a car. did anyone say katana?
obviously a katana, how is that even a question? ;)
But a katana has no pommel
we demand a car vs katana video!!!
There's really no point. I mean katanas from three thousand years ago are famous for being able to cut cleanly through four tanks with a single slice without even losing their edge. A car stands no chance.
At the end - the one that got rid of Lindybeige (it explodes).
When it comes to curved vs straight blade swords, I like to think of horizontal vs diagonal blades on a guillotine. The curved edge on a sword creates the same effect as a diagonal guillotine blade when it makes contact with its target since it is the sweet spot in the last thirds of the blade that makes contact.
He's got curved swords.
Curved.
Swords.
Did that warrior from Hammerfell also shoot your knee with an arrow?
+DaNestingDawg Right as I was entering the Cloud District.
"I'm not the one talking about salt..." was my favorite line hahaha.
I am a relatively new subscriber and I watch these videos for the minutia of sword design etc. So the crossover was jarring (especially the audio), and just tanked the possibility of me rewatching this video to learn about swords, which is why I subscribed in the first place.
I think the reason that curved blades seem to cut better is not only how they are designed but how they are used. Straight swords are often used for hacking or chopping with draw cuts being secondary while with scimitars almost every cut incorporates a draw cut. Curved blades also have a less of a chance to bind as their curvatures allows them to roll off flesh and material in a sense.
"Pointy end goes in other guy."
Watching Lloyd rant like this has reminded me of what John Cleese once said about being British: that it is so exhausting being correct all the time.
That dialogue was so fucking professionnal
Phrase timing, perfect, acting, 99%perfect, presence, absolute masterpiece.
So... is there a difference between straight and back curing swords? I don't feel that question was every really answered. And what about forward curving swords like the falx and romphaia?
That appearance of Lindybeige was unexpected :D
a wild Lindybeige appears
He ended him rightly
Wild Lindybeige appears to exact his revenge... :D
Gotta love it when two of your favourite RUclipsrs show up to troll each other's videos.
The thing about a straight blade is the draw cuts aren't as pronounced as a curved blade because there isn't enough to draw with because there is no belly while a curved blade does chop like a straight blade because it draws to much it's not a question of sharpness it geometrical balance between chopping and slicing
9:30: That's easy, I'd just hold my katana in front of me pointed down, and it would split the car in half before it hit me, so two halves of the car would just pass by on either side of me, leaving me untouched.
I guess you pommeled this debate to the ground ehhh?
Excellent wordplay my friend
*slow claps*
Curved swords....Curved...Swords!!
Skyrim refference
@@Devoratrix penis reference.
@@twig4661 original
@@thatchannel195 you're god dammed right
This is the best crossover in the history of RUclips so far. :)
My two favourites in one video!
Thank you guys! I can check one line on my bucket list. :P
I was waiting for you to end him rightly the entire time, glad you didn't disappoint!
I hate that the guy showed up just when you got the side sword out. I really wanted to hear more on it :/
I have already talked about it actually. ruclips.net/video/hfcPsjfa7C0/видео.html
"the guy"
xD best part ever
"the guy" lol! That's Lindybiege!!!
It's lindybeige Great guy and great video's!
Holy shit lindybeige made me jump. Wasn`t expecting him to appear on skalls video.
I just want to say kudos to you, clever gent, for such skilled and proper execution of the "End Him Rightly" maneuver.
Excellent video! The curved blades are also a little better at maintaining edge alignment throughout the cut. They just generally and naturally carry their own momentum in a straighter line than straighter blades do. Admittedly it's a physics thing I don't fully understand but I can definitely feel it in the hand when cutting.
5:53 the eyebrow
Your final argument convinced me.
You need to become president of the US. Because you can end debates rightly :-D
OMG now I'm imagining a presidential debate where one of them throws a pommel at the other one
I was not expecting that Loyd cameo. But it made me so happy
Question: I heard that curved blades are more effective specifically as cavalry weapons. History seems to agree.
Any idea why that might be?
I ain't a historian but my idea is that the curve makes it easier to draw on horse back with one hand because the curve allows us to pull along the natural arc of our draw. also the curve allows the force of a strike to be focused on one smaller point on the blade. allowing for a better cut.
I do believe the reason is that the angle makes it easier to get a good cut at an angle and when moving faster
Oh wow just realized it was 5 year ago
@@melonwelon7821 And I realized now that the video is old and I thought it was new 🗿
YES!
I've been waiting for a collab between these two for a while now!
They did the same thing over on Lindybeige's channel, in his video about Salt and Gold.
Very nice
Now that you've both succesfully invaded each others videos, I want to see Skall and Lloyd invade a Matt Easton video. Maybe they could be like his good and bad consciences in old cartoons
Not going to lie. I had your channel up on one monitor and was playing a game on the other, so when Lindenrberg appeared I literally jumped out of the seat. Scared the shit out of me.
I'm a former History major, and I must say that i find your long in depth looks into sword history interesting. Not only that but also useful for when I have enough money to buy a sword. Thank you
They've got cuRRved sWorrds! Currrrrrrved sWoRRRRRds.
This man was just assaulted by a burglar. He used this antique sword to defend his life and property you say? Oh my, this sword is curved! A curved sword! He's got a curved sword! Curved! Sword!
Phillip Margrave was a skyrim reference mate.
I was referencing Skall's earlier video. Some British police trying to take a man's antique military saber because they confused it with a katana. On that video there were a lot of skyrim references in the comments too. So that was a double reference.
Gentlemen, stop interrupting each other. The difference between interesting and boring is up to the watchers interest.
And I demand full blade type video and full salt video, and don't tell me they were planned to be like this.
They were in fact planned to be like this. Deal with it. :p
Godamn have mercy on him lel
i thought it was funny
That eyebrow raise at 5:57 right after he said penetration though. This is why I love you Skall.
How does this have so little views??? The end is hilarious, and it's how I got introduced to Lloyd.
please can you and Lindy beige team up with Mat Easton to discuss katanas
Sorry, but katanas have already been discussed to death and I'm bored of them.
Racist
And they don't have pommels.
do we need more discussions on that everybody has already done videos on the matter
Nah. Discuss the right kind of Pommel to put on a salty effergy
OmG, i just died, this must be heaven, my two favorite people in the same video!!! AHHHHH!
AHHHHHHHHHHHH! happiness out of my fucking mind!!!!
No!! Really!! Too good to be true!!!!
Its like 'Batman' arm wrestling 'Tony Stark" or 'Superman' jerking off in 'Thor's' Face!!!
Why am I thinking that that would have been a better movie to watch than BvS?
I came hoping for a discussion of the flamberg. I left, Rightly entertained. Thank you both of you.
YOU ENDED HIM RIGHTLY! HAHAHA! Man I love you guys.
LINYBEIGE!
VIKINGS!
SALT!
BERSERKER!
SIEGES!
THAT LEAF IS WRONG
It depends on whether you are mounted or on foot. For mounted combat, go with a curved blade since the curve will result in less jarring force for both the blade and your arm. On foot, you want the straight blade since it's better for thrusting and blocking. A recurved blade is a good chopper and good for foot as well.
Nice observation. Skall rarely thinks about mounted combat.
Good point. Straight swords can't be too bad for mounted combat though, seeing how they were used for many centuries.
Don't forget that some cavalry very heavily preferred the thrust. ;)
Indeed, most european curved sword were cavalry swords, and by the time
they were becoming more and more popular the primary infantry melee weapon was the bayonet. Curved swords were an evolution in this context, something light that could cut, especially with the gradual disuse of armor. In the middle ages however, and even before, the sword was not the primary cavalry weapon, the primary weapon was the lance, designed to defeat armor by striking the target with great force in a very small point. Other cavalry weapons in the middle ages were the mace and the warhammer (these last twon more in the late middle ages), but the sword was not really used while mounted, not if you could have something else.
best surprise ever. Seeing you and lindy colab made my day
Well played Skallagrim and Lindybeige. Was listening with headphones while looking at something else, you brought my attention back to the screen rather abruptly.
That ending was awesome.
No one ever expects the fuking suprise Lindybeige.
JoergSprave is going to burst in one day and then everybody will shit
That was the best conclusion I've seen in a while.
🎯 Key points for quick navigation:
00:00:13 *⚔️ The debate about the effectiveness of blade shapes, particularly curved vs. straight blades, is common yet lacks conclusive experimental evidence.*
00:01:30 *🔍 Curved blades may offer more edge per area, allowing for potentially better slicing capabilities compared to straight blades.*
00:02:51 *💡 Cutting performance relies heavily on factors like blade profile, cross-section, and balance, rather than solely on whether the blade is straight or curved.*
00:04:25 *⚖️ A well-balanced, tip-heavy blade can deliver more force during cuts, while a blade with a narrow profile may excel more in thrusting.*
00:07:40 *🥋 Ultimately, the user's skill and technique play a crucial role in determining the outcome in combat, regardless of the sword's shape.*
00:09:06 *🚗 In modern contexts, the relevance of sword fighting is diminished, suggesting that practical self-defense might focus on different threats.*
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Could you do a video on shillelaghs? They're (in my opinion) and underrated and effective weapon that could use some lime light
sorry skal, but in fact i believe you mixed up abit chopping and cutting...
chopping does get heavily influenced by overall weight cutting is all and pretty much solely about edge geometry. its a difference on a molecular level, where cutting means for the matter of the edge beeing able to wiggle inbetween the matter of the cut object, whereas chobbyng pretty much is equivalent to forcing your way through and prying it open.
theres a reason why the sharpness of knives is testet in labs by constant drawing under a little, but constant force...
really sharp edges as the ones of operative diamond and glass scalpels(used in eye surgery) create cuts so perfect, that they seal instantly if left to close, because the cut just disconnected the molecules of the flesh where the cut is without further damaging the surrounding material.
so after this is cleared... curved blades tend to cut better, because the curvature of the blade redirects the force of a blow automatically into a draw cut. the straight blade on the other hand TENDS to simply bite into the target and dissipate the force into blunt trauma of the surrounding tissue. just to make it clear: I DO NOT INTEND TO SAY making draw cuts is impossible with straight edges, but the wielder has to manually do so, whereas curved blades assist you in the drawing part, because of the direction of the force applied vs the normal of the blade (i could bore you guys with some proper graphics to make my point, but only if you really want...maybe if skal asks i could try to even animate them)
Brilliant! I enjoy your in-depth reviews, but it was fun to see you do this; especially ending it rightly!
I love how the other guy is complaining about how "sword shape doesn't matter enough to worry about it" while I am here trying to figure out the best designs to include in written tales to add a sense of variety and physics.
And now we see the true and undisputed power of the pommel in action.
That was a low-caliber pommel though, but enough to destroy the intruder
freaking finaly those two make colab video :D
twas so funn
Two of my favorite RUclips personalities!
Did not expect this video to end so rightly.
Im a simple man, i see someone throwing a mighty pommel, i press like.
YES! EMBRACE THE POMMEL JOKE! USE IT'S POWER!!
Damn your scripts with Lindybeige is so tight, love how the bickering fits together so well xD You guys should really meet up one day :D
I was falling asleep till lindybeige started screaming in my ear. XD
i have been watching you and lindy for a few years now on and off. this vid was awesome. i can hear bolth of you guys rant for hours but this way its like combining both into one :P saves time wile having the same amount of info and point of views :P and the humor of both combine very well :P